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Offline LiQuiDs

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16900 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 00:29:52 »
What is "unique" one?    :-*
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« Reply #16901 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 01:07:08 »
What is "unique" one?    :-*
https://i.imgur.com/7QFNzye.jpg

Look at the bottom, the pink & orange circle are unique/one off. It means there only 1 cap.

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« Reply #16902 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 01:22:29 »
What is "unique" one?    :-*
https://i.imgur.com/7QFNzye.jpg

Look at the bottom, the pink & orange circle are unique/one off. It means there only 1 cap.

oh... i see..
so some winner can chance to get that one?
thanks for telling me anyway.  :thumb:
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« Reply #16903 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 01:28:01 »
What is "unique" one?    :-*
https://i.imgur.com/7QFNzye.jpg

Look at the bottom, the pink & orange circle are unique/one off. It means there only 1 cap.

oh... i see..
so some winner can chance to get that one?
thanks for telling me anyway.  :thumb:
A small chance yes :)

Offline LiQuiDs

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16904 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 01:37:57 »
What is "unique" one?    :-*
https://i.imgur.com/7QFNzye.jpg

Look at the bottom, the pink & orange circle are unique/one off. It means there only 1 cap.

oh... i see..
so some winner can chance to get that one?
thanks for telling me anyway.  :thumb:
A small chance yes :)

i see...
Im not winner anyway lol
i just want to know, coz im noob.  ;D
thanks!
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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16905 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 02:06:59 »
 No invoice :(

Hope the next sale isn't too far away!

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16906 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 02:08:46 »
No invoice :(

Hope the next sale isn't too far away!
Same :c

Hopefully a Christmas sale? I can't imagine one being any time sooner

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16907 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 02:41:47 »
А series of failures more and more...
It seems that there are those who constantly win.

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16908 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 02:44:51 »
What is "unique" one?    :-*
https://i.imgur.com/7QFNzye.jpg

Look at the bottom, the pink & orange circle are unique/one off. It means there only 1 cap.

oh... i see..
so some winner can chance to get that one?
thanks for telling me anyway.  :thumb:
A small chance yes :)

i see...
Im not winner anyway lol
i just want to know, coz im noob.  ;D
thanks!
Of course buddy, always ask! We have all been noobs at some point and the best way to avoid mistakes is to ask :)


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« Reply #16909 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 02:48:07 »
So for those who got at least one bag, you have a 1 in 547 chance of getting what you want (going by potential highest number possible). Talk about some crazy odds!
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« Reply #16910 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 02:49:22 »
So for those who got at least one bag, you have a 1 in 547 change of getting what you want (I counted the max total based off his catalog). Talk about some crazy odds!
Hahaha thanks for that dude :)

Can you account the probability of getting a fugthulu if you win 4 blind bags?

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« Reply #16911 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 02:51:39 »
i didn't win
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« Reply #16912 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 03:14:47 »
Throwback to my first Nightcaps win in 2015 
 



 
Can't believe it's been 2 years already
Good times :D <3
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« Reply #16913 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 06:39:19 »
Although I didn't win (I cri evry tiem), I would like to say I think this is my favourite way to run a raffle so far.

I'm not a big fan of picking first or second choices etc, chance of winning a one off is too small and risky. With choices, there's too much risk - if I can only afford one cap do I go for the rare one I want knowing I've got no chance or 'settle' for a higher chance of a cap I don't really want?

This way it's pure RNG all the way through and you get to just buy what you can afford and get lucky (or not).

Also it seems like it's easier on ETF - win? Throw x bags in a box and ship.

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« Reply #16914 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 07:37:12 »
Although I didn't win (I cri evry tiem), I would like to say I think this is my favourite way to run a raffle so far.

I'm not a big fan of picking first or second choices etc, chance of winning a one off is too small and risky. With choices, there's too much risk - if I can only afford one cap do I go for the rare one I want knowing I've got no chance or 'settle' for a higher chance of a cap I don't really want?

This way it's pure RNG all the way through and you get to just buy what you can afford and get lucky (or not).

Also it seems like it's easier on ETF - win? Throw x bags in a box and ship.

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I'm on the fence about blind box raffles. On the one hand its fun to guess what you may have won and get hyped when you open something really cool, but for every person that gets something amazing/what they wanted there's about 90% of the others who got a colorway or sculpt they aren't interested in and are forced to find someone to trade. It makes it especially difficult to get what you want when certain colorways are more rare or sought-after than others. I know ETF fanboys are going to hate on me for saying this, but ETF does too many blind box raffles for my liking.

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« Reply #16915 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 07:50:46 »
А series of failures more and more...
It seems that there are those who constantly win.

Shhhh.. they'll notice.  jk, Lol

Meh, if that's what you think. How are you gonna prove it?

No point in getting upset imo, its out of your hands.
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« Reply #16916 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 07:53:53 »
Although I didn't win (I cri evry tiem), I would like to say I think this is my favourite way to run a raffle so far.

I'm not a big fan of picking first or second choices etc, chance of winning a one off is too small and risky. With choices, there's too much risk - if I can only afford one cap do I go for the rare one I want knowing I've got no chance or 'settle' for a higher chance of a cap I don't really want?

This way it's pure RNG all the way through and you get to just buy what you can afford and get lucky (or not).

Also it seems like it's easier on ETF - win? Throw x bags in a box and ship.

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I'm on the fence about blind box raffles. On the one hand its fun to guess what you may have won and get hyped when you open something really cool, but for every person that gets something amazing/what they wanted there's about 90% of the others who got a colorway or sculpt they aren't interested in and are forced to find someone to trade. It makes it especially difficult to get what you want when certain colorways are more rare or sought-after than others. I know ETF fanboys are going to hate on me for saying this, but ETF does too many blind box raffles for my liking.
Not hating on you or anything, but I really enjoy these blind box raffles. The anticipation on what you'll get is amazing, I'm like my daughter when she is opening Shopkins bags. The format really gets you hooked. The menu sheet that ETF made this time is actually the same as she get with her Num noms collection items, they also have color codes dots to mark rarity. This format really gets you exited!
The times I've gotten something I didn't exactly want I've had a good experience trading them for something else and I've also gotten something I wasn't interested in at first but learned to love.
There are so many ways of doing this, and I think this 24h blind box raffle is one of the most fair for the collectors and the creators.

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« Reply #16917 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 08:01:32 »
Most fair - probably .. provided you actually win something.

I wouldn't know about that  ;D

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« Reply #16918 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 08:29:03 »
I think with a menu of this proportion the only way to keep it 100% fair for everyone is blind box. We all had the same exact chance. Want a better chance of getting what you want? Buy more. There’s no advantages/disadvantages

If we were able to even pick a “top 10”,  imagine how many winners would have similar top 10. Those fuguthulus and 1 offs would be in almost everyone’s. Then it becomes another blind box raffle, just with much more disappointment.


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« Reply #16919 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 08:32:03 »
my 2 cents + minor ranting + **** sucking:


it's definitely ****ign rigged, you know this because i won

also i don't like blind sale because ya'll know i only give a **** about blue stuff and it's a pain in the **** to try and trade with people when you're not from America, I gotta make Bee do all my dirty work and now she doesn't tlak to me anymore

I see why people like it and it's also fair but I'm a very picky person who only wants specific stuff. Oh and for this specific sale it's 100% justifiable because of the quantity of caps on hand.

Poisoned Summer was cool because I got to see what the flavour of the day was before i bothered entering (I skipped all the ones I wasn't interested in except for one where I entered for a friend since they weren't around for the sale). of course i also missed 99% of them because I have a life but you know, poisoned summer was an absolutely terrific experience to be apart of which is why I participated in the GB, for sentimental value.

but these blind sales tilt me man, but really goes to show how much I appreciate your work ETF. The only other cap maker in the world where I would enter a blind sale for is clackman (rip in piece)

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« Reply #16920 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 08:54:35 »
I think with a menu of this proportion the only way to keep it 100% fair for everyone is blind box. We all had the same exact chance. Want a better chance of getting what you want? Buy more. There’s no advantages/disadvantages

If we were able to even pick a “top 10”,  imagine how many winners would have similar top 10. Those fuguthulus and 1 offs would be in almost everyone’s. Then it becomes another blind box raffle, just with much more disappointment.


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The rare ones are only rare because ETF chose to make it that way. They're all the same material, its just a matter of which ones he decides to make more exclusive than others. IMO an all foogthulu sale or all eggfaces or all moondrops would be more enticing than hoping to get 1 of like 500 (this also creates an artificial aftermarket price bubble until more are released).

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« Reply #16921 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 08:58:37 »
I think with a menu of this proportion the only way to keep it 100% fair for everyone is blind box. We all had the same exact chance. Want a better chance of getting what you want? Buy more. There’s no advantages/disadvantages

If we were able to even pick a “top 10”,  imagine how many winners would have similar top 10. Those fuguthulus and 1 offs would be in almost everyone’s. Then it becomes another blind box raffle, just with much more disappointment.


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The rare ones are only rare because ETF chose to make it that way. They're all the same material, its just a matter of which ones he decides to make more exclusive than others. IMO an all foogthulu sale or all eggfaces or all moondrops would be more enticing than hoping to get 1 of like 500 (this also creates an artificial aftermarket price bubble until more are released).
Idk, for me at least the chase is half the fun lol I love the artisan community for chasing those rare caps. And also, that’s the artisan community. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.


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« Reply #16922 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 09:11:56 »
I think with a menu of this proportion the only way to keep it 100% fair for everyone is blind box. We all had the same exact chance. Want a better chance of getting what you want? Buy more. There’s no advantages/disadvantages

If we were able to even pick a “top 10”,  imagine how many winners would have similar top 10. Those fuguthulus and 1 offs would be in almost everyone’s. Then it becomes another blind box raffle, just with much more disappointment.


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The rare ones are only rare because ETF chose to make it that way. They're all the same material, its just a matter of which ones he decides to make more exclusive than others. IMO an all foogthulu sale or all eggfaces or all moondrops would be more enticing than hoping to get 1 of like 500 (this also creates an artificial aftermarket price bubble until more are released).
Idk, for me at least the chase is half the fun lol I love the artisan community for chasing those rare caps. And also, that’s the artisan community. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.


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I'm not trying to blame ETF, this is just where the conversation is... I completely understand that this is indicative of the entire artisan community, I just wish there was a better option

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16923 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 09:16:24 »
oh i didn't fully read everything

as far as one-offs and rarity and **** goes that's been a conversation since the beginning of artisans

If we were able to even pick a “top 10”,  imagine how many winners would have similar top 10. Those fuguthulus and 1 offs would be in almost everyone’s. Then it becomes another blind box raffle, just with much more disappointment.

this specifically actually isn't a problem

if everyone that entered the sale ONLY wanted the rare 1 offs and could list so then that means the people who wanted other things would still have a chance to get what they wanted and everyone who listed 1 offs are 100% going into it knowing that they have a very small chance of winning anything at all.

the way it is currently, those people who only want the thulus might end up with (for example) some neat blue **** that I want and now that chance has been taken away from me and those dudes are stuck with something that they have to go and trade off now. of course it's not very hard to make your $53 back but it's a huge waste of time for both the person who only wanted a chance at a thulu and for me hunting for a blue fugu (assuming they sell it to me for $53, yeah right).

there's pros and cons to everything but blind raffle to me at least has a lot more cons.

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« Reply #16924 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 09:33:49 »
oh i didn't fully read everything

as far as one-offs and rarity and **** goes that's been a conversation since the beginning of artisans

If we were able to even pick a “top 10”,  imagine how many winners would have similar top 10. Those fuguthulus and 1 offs would be in almost everyone’s. Then it becomes another blind box raffle, just with much more disappointment.

this specifically actually isn't a problem

if everyone that entered the sale ONLY wanted the rare 1 offs and could list so then that means the people who wanted other things would still have a chance to get what they wanted and everyone who listed 1 offs are 100% going into it knowing that they have a very small chance of winning anything at all.

the way it is currently, those people who only want the thulus might end up with (for example) some neat blue **** that I want and now that chance has been taken away from me and those dudes are stuck with something that they have to go and trade off now. of course it's not very hard to make your $53 back but it's a huge waste of time for both the person who only wanted a chance at a thulu and for me hunting for a blue fugu (assuming they sell it to me for $53, yeah right).

there's pros and cons to everything but blind raffle to me at least has a lot more cons.

This. 212$ for four chances with the distinct possibility of getting four common keys and ending up having to sit on colorways that you don't like/won't use and are extremely difficult to trade. I would rather spend that 200$ on the key that I actually want (and likely more) rather than gamble.

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« Reply #16925 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 09:35:25 »
Eh, blind raffle is probably just the easiest to implement for the maker. Think about it.

This dude(ette), just worked their ass off doing PS. Then made 400+ to order for those who didn't enter or win during PS. THEN, made or had on hand 500+ caps to do ANOTHER sale the next month.

Lol, give them a break. This is the easiest and most efficient for the maker.

I don't know if this is their day job, but I'm still impressed.

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« Reply #16926 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 09:44:26 »
That's a cop out... I'm fairly certain none of the makers in this forum do this as their only source of income (if they did they would increase prices way past 50$ because people would pay it regardless [especially makers like ETF, Bro, KK, etc...]).

This is a fun hobby, and I'm sure doing these sales are extremely exciting and rewarding for the makers - if they didn't like doing it they just wouldn't



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« Reply #16927 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:00:02 »
Who dumped the salt shaker this morning?

The maker can run their sales as they please. If ETF wanted to be known for generic caps that no one got excited for, he’d just mass produce single shot caps and sell them on Etsy. He puts time, effort and love into his caps, colorways, packaging and sales though. He’s one of the few that even sets rules on immediate flipping. He wants everyone to have the same, fair chance of getting any cap on that menu. The nightcaps duo is doing a great job.


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« Reply #16928 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:01:18 »
Can someone tell me the difference between unique and 1 available?

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« Reply #16929 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:04:14 »
Can someone tell me the difference between unique and 1 available?

Badically the ones marked with 'unique' are one off, meaning there is literally only one of them made in existence. The other one which mention '1 acailable', it's basically just stating there's only one of them available in this raffle, but there are others are there from other sales.


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« Reply #16930 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:08:50 »
N e leftovers?

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« Reply #16931 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:15:52 »
That's a cop out... I'm fairly certain none of the makers in this forum do this as their only source of income (if they did they would increase prices way past 50$ because people would pay it regardless [especially makers like ETF, Bro, KK, etc...]).

This is a fun hobby, and I'm sure doing these sales are extremely exciting and rewarding for the makers - if they didn't like doing it they just wouldn't

That's a silly thing to say. Work is work no matter how fun.

How much thought do you put into the logistics of lthe creation of a cap to it sitting on your keyboard?

I'm not trying to chill for anyone, I didn't win anything, and I'm sure not recieving any favors. I have my suspicions of the process myself.

However, a blind box raffle is the easiest, rather than categorize everyone's feefee's.

Bag caps. Draw names. Place bag with drawn name.

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« Reply #16932 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:15:58 »
im not telling ETF how to run his sale I'm sure he has his reasons or he simply chose to do it this way cuz he wanted to, I don't care.  if I was telling him how to do it I'd ask for fcfs because I'm the best at that keepo

just having a discussion with my pov having seen the whole artisan phenomenon from $8 clacks for retail up until now where you have limitless options of talented keycap artisans. the discussion probably should be in its own thread and not cluttering this thread so I'll stop here

but if it was me normally I'd choose to either get a blue cap or no cap at all. I'm sure a lot of ppl would be happy to have the option of miniscule chance at a thulu and if not then receiving no cap, rather than ok chance to get a random cap that might have a thulu in it if that makes sense. I am in no way saying he should make more thulus available

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16933 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:17:47 »
Who dumped the salt shaker this morning?

The maker can run their sales as they please. If ETF wanted to be known for generic caps that no one got excited for, he’d just mass produce single shot caps and sell them on Etsy. He puts time, effort and love into his caps, colorways, packaging and sales though. He’s one of the few that even sets rules on immediate flipping. He wants everyone to have the same, fair chance of getting any cap on that menu. The nightcaps duo is doing a great job.


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Of course they can, I have no problem with makers doing what they please with their own work; it's their art, after all. What we're saying is blind raffles leave much to be desired for those of us who are searching for specific keys/colorways.

I agree this is not exactly the best place for this discussion but this thread is one of the most active ones on this forum.

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« Reply #16934 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:22:34 »
That's a cop out... I'm fairly certain none of the makers in this forum do this as their only source of income (if they did they would increase prices way past 50$ because people would pay it regardless [especially makers like ETF, Bro, KK, etc...]).

This is a fun hobby, and I'm sure doing these sales are extremely exciting and rewarding for the makers - if they didn't like doing it they just wouldn't

That's a silly thing to say. Work is work no matter how fun.

How much thought do you put into the logistics of lthe creation of a cap to it sitting on your keyboard?

I'm not trying to chill for anyone, I didn't win anything, and I'm sure not recieving any favors. I have my suspicions of the process myself.

However, a blind box raffle is the easiest, rather than categorize everyone's feefee's.

Bag caps. Draw names. Place bag with drawn name.

Honestly its not crazy difficult to make keycaps. You just need the initial investment and from there its just expressing your creativity and hoping others will like it enough to buy a couple. Its about as complicated as painting. Those of us who aren't as creative as others see the process as unapproachable, but its really not.

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« Reply #16935 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:23:38 »
That's a cop out... I'm fairly certain none of the makers in this forum do this as their only source of income (if they did they would increase prices way past 50$ because people would pay it regardless [especially makers like ETF, Bro, KK, etc...]).

This is a fun hobby, and I'm sure doing these sales are extremely exciting and rewarding for the makers - if they didn't like doing it they just wouldn't

That's a silly thing to say. Work is work no matter how fun.

How much thought do you put into the logistics of lthe creation of a cap to it sitting on your keyboard?

I'm not trying to chill for anyone, I didn't win anything, and I'm sure not recieving any favors. I have my suspicions of the process myself.

However, a blind box raffle is the easiest, rather than categorize everyone's feefee's.

Bag caps. Draw names. Place bag with drawn name.

Honestly its not crazy difficult to make keycaps. You just need the initial investment and from there its just expressing your creativity and hoping others will like it enough to buy a couple. Its about as complicated as painting. Those of us who aren't as creative as others see the process as unapproachable, but its really not.
Uhhh are you serious? Have you tried making caps?


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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16936 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:26:17 »
oh i didn't fully read everything

as far as one-offs and rarity and **** goes that's been a conversation since the beginning of artisans

If we were able to even pick a “top 10”,  imagine how many winners would have similar top 10. Those fuguthulus and 1 offs would be in almost everyone’s. Then it becomes another blind box raffle, just with much more disappointment.

this specifically actually isn't a problem

if everyone that entered the sale ONLY wanted the rare 1 offs and could list so then that means the people who wanted other things would still have a chance to get what they wanted and everyone who listed 1 offs are 100% going into it knowing that they have a very small chance of winning anything at all.

the way it is currently, those people who only want the thulus might end up with (for example) some neat blue **** that I want and now that chance has been taken away from me and those dudes are stuck with something that they have to go and trade off now. of course it's not very hard to make your $53 back but it's a huge waste of time for both the person who only wanted a chance at a thulu and for me hunting for a blue fugu (assuming they sell it to me for $53, yeah right).

there's pros and cons to everything but blind raffle to me at least has a lot more cons.

This. 212$ for four chances with the distinct possibility of getting four common keys and ending up having to sit on colorways that you don't like/won't use and are extremely difficult to trade. I would rather spend that 200$ on the key that I actually want (and likely more) rather than gamble.
You are not considering the importance of the trading aspect in the community.
If I could just buy any artisan I wanted I would never have been so involved with the community as I've been and I never would have met all the awesome people I have. Forcing people to get involved is a really good thing.

The fact that it's difficult to get something also makes it a lot more fun and super exiting to get.
It's the hunt that really matters for me, not so much the catch.
It's like in LOTR, it's the travel that makes the story, not the climax in the volcano.
You also would like Beethoven if you just heard  the last note of the piece. No. You need the dance to the end part for it to make sense and be enjoyable.

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16937 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:26:56 »
That's a cop out... I'm fairly certain none of the makers in this forum do this as their only source of income (if they did they would increase prices way past 50$ because people would pay it regardless [especially makers like ETF, Bro, KK, etc...]).

This is a fun hobby, and I'm sure doing these sales are extremely exciting and rewarding for the makers - if they didn't like doing it they just wouldn't

That's a silly thing to say. Work is work no matter how fun.

How much thought do you put into the logistics of lthe creation of a cap to it sitting on your keyboard?

I'm not trying to chill for anyone, I didn't win anything, and I'm sure not recieving any favors. I have my suspicions of the process myself.

However, a blind box raffle is the easiest, rather than categorize everyone's feefee's.

Bag caps. Draw names. Place bag with drawn name.

Honestly its not crazy difficult to make keycaps. You just need the initial investment and from there its just expressing your creativity and hoping others will like it enough to buy a couple. Its about as complicated as painting. Those of us who aren't as creative as others see the process as unapproachable, but its really not.
Uhhh are you serious? Have you tried making caps?


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Yes...? Silicon molding, clay shaping, resin casting. You can basically buy everything you need from any hobby store in existence, minus a pressure chamber but you can make those pretty easy.
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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16938 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:29:19 »
That's a cop out... I'm fairly certain none of the makers in this forum do this as their only source of income (if they did they would increase prices way past 50$ because people would pay it regardless [especially makers like ETF, Bro, KK, etc...]).

This is a fun hobby, and I'm sure doing these sales are extremely exciting and rewarding for the makers - if they didn't like doing it they just wouldn't

That's a silly thing to say. Work is work no matter how fun.

How much thought do you put into the logistics of lthe creation of a cap to it sitting on your keyboard?

I'm not trying to chill for anyone, I didn't win anything, and I'm sure not recieving any favors. I have my suspicions of the process myself.

However, a blind box raffle is the easiest, rather than categorize everyone's feefee's.

Bag caps. Draw names. Place bag with drawn name.

Honestly its not crazy difficult to make keycaps. You just need the initial investment and from there its just expressing your creativity and hoping others will like it enough to buy a couple. Its about as complicated as painting. Those of us who aren't as creative as others see the process as unapproachable, but its really not.
Uhhh are you serious? Have you tried making caps?


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Yes...?
Oh, so you’ve successfully produced quality multi shot caps, built a caps business, following and community and successfully ran multiple sales of upwards of thousands of caps over the course of a few months?


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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16939 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:32:24 »
That's a cop out... I'm fairly certain none of the makers in this forum do this as their only source of income (if they did they would increase prices way past 50$ because people would pay it regardless [especially makers like ETF, Bro, KK, etc...]).

This is a fun hobby, and I'm sure doing these sales are extremely exciting and rewarding for the makers - if they didn't like doing it they just wouldn't

That's a silly thing to say. Work is work no matter how fun.

How much thought do you put into the logistics of lthe creation of a cap to it sitting on your keyboard?

I'm not trying to chill for anyone, I didn't win anything, and I'm sure not recieving any favors. I have my suspicions of the process myself.

However, a blind box raffle is the easiest, rather than categorize everyone's feefee's.

Bag caps. Draw names. Place bag with drawn name.

Honestly its not crazy difficult to make keycaps. You just need the initial investment and from there its just expressing your creativity and hoping others will like it enough to buy a couple. Its about as complicated as painting. Those of us who aren't as creative as others see the process as unapproachable, but its really not.
Uhhh are you serious? Have you tried making caps?


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Yes...?
Oh, so you’ve successfully produced quality multi shot caps, built a caps business, following and community and successfully ran multiple sales of upwards of thousands of caps over the course of a few months?


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Did I say starting a keycap business is easy? I said making keycaps is not really that difficult, because it isn't if you know the process.

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16940 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:36:36 »
That's a cop out... I'm fairly certain none of the makers in this forum do this as their only source of income (if they did they would increase prices way past 50$ because people would pay it regardless [especially makers like ETF, Bro, KK, etc...]).

This is a fun hobby, and I'm sure doing these sales are extremely exciting and rewarding for the makers - if they didn't like doing it they just wouldn't


That's a silly thing to say. Work is work no matter how fun.

How much thought do you put into the logistics of lthe creation of a cap to it sitting on your keyboard?

I'm not trying to chill for anyone, I didn't win anything, and I'm sure not recieving any favors. I have my suspicions of the process myself.

However, a blind box raffle is the easiest, rather than categorize everyone's feefee's.

Bag caps. Draw names. Place bag with drawn name.

Honestly its not crazy difficult to make keycaps. You just need the initial investment and from there its just expressing your creativity and hoping others will like it enough to buy a couple. Its about as complicated as painting. Those of us who aren't as creative as others see the process as unapproachable, but its really not.

Boy you just went off the deep end lol. It's clear you're unfamiliar with the area. You may understand the process, but understanding and performing are very different.

If it we're that easy we'd have wayyyy more than a handful of makers.

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16941 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:38:05 »
We do have way more than a handful of makers... I don't know what point you're trying to make? Quality keycap creation is so hard to accomplish that only a select few people have the skills required to master it? I don't buy that for a second.

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16942 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:39:34 »
We do have way more than a handful of makers... I don't know what point you're trying to make? Quality keycap creation is so hard to accomplish that only a select few people have the skills required to master it? I don't buy that for a second.
Then why are you here complaining about how a maker is running his sales? If it’s that easy, make your own caps, and run your own sales.


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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16943 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:40:14 »
We do have way more than a handful of makers... I don't know what point you're trying to make? Quality keycap creation is so hard to accomplish that only a select few people have the skills required to master it? I don't buy that for a second.
I can count the people who are able to create caps like his on one hand.

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16944 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:42:57 »
Although I didn't win (I cri evry tiem), I would like to say I think this is my favourite way to run a raffle so far.

I'm not a big fan of picking first or second choices etc, chance of winning a one off is too small and risky. With choices, there's too much risk - if I can only afford one cap do I go for the rare one I want knowing I've got no chance or 'settle' for a higher chance of a cap I don't really want?

This way it's pure RNG all the way through and you get to just buy what you can afford and get lucky (or not).

Also it seems like it's easier on ETF - win? Throw x bags in a box and ship.

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I'm on the fence about blind box raffles. On the one hand its fun to guess what you may have won and get hyped when you open something really cool, but for every person that gets something amazing/what they wanted there's about 90% of the others who got a colorway or sculpt they aren't interested in and are forced to find someone to trade. It makes it especially difficult to get what you want when certain colorways are more rare or sought-after than others. I know ETF fanboys are going to hate on me for saying this, but ETF does too many blind box raffles for my liking.

Does 94 non blind box sales in a row = too many blind box sales :rip:
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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16945 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:45:40 »
Although I didn't win (I cri evry tiem), I would like to say I think this is my favourite way to run a raffle so far.

I'm not a big fan of picking first or second choices etc, chance of winning a one off is too small and risky. With choices, there's too much risk - if I can only afford one cap do I go for the rare one I want knowing I've got no chance or 'settle' for a higher chance of a cap I don't really want?

This way it's pure RNG all the way through and you get to just buy what you can afford and get lucky (or not).

Also it seems like it's easier on ETF - win? Throw x bags in a box and ship.

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I'm on the fence about blind box raffles. On the one hand its fun to guess what you may have won and get hyped when you open something really cool, but for every person that gets something amazing/what they wanted there's about 90% of the others who got a colorway or sculpt they aren't interested in and are forced to find someone to trade. It makes it especially difficult to get what you want when certain colorways are more rare or sought-after than others. I know ETF fanboys are going to hate on me for saying this, but ETF does too many blind box raffles for my liking.

Does 94 non blind box sales in a row = too many blind box sales :rip:
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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16946 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:46:02 »
Although I didn't win (I cri evry tiem), I would like to say I think this is my favourite way to run a raffle so far.

I'm not a big fan of picking first or second choices etc, chance of winning a one off is too small and risky. With choices, there's too much risk - if I can only afford one cap do I go for the rare one I want knowing I've got no chance or 'settle' for a higher chance of a cap I don't really want?

This way it's pure RNG all the way through and you get to just buy what you can afford and get lucky (or not).

Also it seems like it's easier on ETF - win? Throw x bags in a box and ship.

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I'm on the fence about blind box raffles. On the one hand its fun to guess what you may have won and get hyped when you open something really cool, but for every person that gets something amazing/what they wanted there's about 90% of the others who got a colorway or sculpt they aren't interested in and are forced to find someone to trade. It makes it especially difficult to get what you want when certain colorways are more rare or sought-after than others. I know ETF fanboys are going to hate on me for saying this, but ETF does too many blind box raffles for my liking.

Does 94 non blind box sales in a row = too many blind box sales :rip:


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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16947 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:48:33 »
Although I didn't win (I cri evry tiem), I would like to say I think this is my favourite way to run a raffle so far.

I'm not a big fan of picking first or second choices etc, chance of winning a one off is too small and risky. With choices, there's too much risk - if I can only afford one cap do I go for the rare one I want knowing I've got no chance or 'settle' for a higher chance of a cap I don't really want?

This way it's pure RNG all the way through and you get to just buy what you can afford and get lucky (or not).

Also it seems like it's easier on ETF - win? Throw x bags in a box and ship.

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I'm on the fence about blind box raffles. On the one hand its fun to guess what you may have won and get hyped when you open something really cool, but for every person that gets something amazing/what they wanted there's about 90% of the others who got a colorway or sculpt they aren't interested in and are forced to find someone to trade. It makes it especially difficult to get what you want when certain colorways are more rare or sought-after than others. I know ETF fanboys are going to hate on me for saying this, but ETF does too many blind box raffles for my liking.

Does 94 non blind box sales in a row = too many blind box sales :rip:

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« Reply #16948 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:51:50 »
If you think keycap making is easy, just try it. It’s so damn difficult, for me at least. Hell its not even the sculpting, it’s hard enough to get my damn stem to form when I’m casting and molding but then the sculpting is also hard af. A stone who says keycap making is easy is a fool who hasn’t tried.

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Re: Nightcaps: MysteryMe@ts 2017 - Sale complete, invoices all sent.
« Reply #16949 on: Sun, 29 October 2017, 11:09:02 »
Although I didn't win (I cri evry tiem), I would like to say I think this is my favourite way to run a raffle so far.

I'm not a big fan of picking first or second choices etc, chance of winning a one off is too small and risky. With choices, there's too much risk - if I can only afford one cap do I go for the rare one I want knowing I've got no chance or 'settle' for a higher chance of a cap I don't really want?

This way it's pure RNG all the way through and you get to just buy what you can afford and get lucky (or not).

Also it seems like it's easier on ETF - win? Throw x bags in a box and ship.

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I'm on the fence about blind box raffles. On the one hand its fun to guess what you may have won and get hyped when you open something really cool, but for every person that gets something amazing/what they wanted there's about 90% of the others who got a colorway or sculpt they aren't interested in and are forced to find someone to trade. It makes it especially difficult to get what you want when certain colorways are more rare or sought-after than others. I know ETF fanboys are going to hate on me for saying this, but ETF does too many blind box raffles for my liking.

Does 94 non blind box sales in a row = too many blind box sales :rip:

More like: I didn't get an invoice = not enough blind box sales.


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