[IC] The DO60 PCB - update 2018 Jan 23

[nickaster1]

Noob here, what is the dimensions of those shifts if I opt for the arrow cluster and 6.25u spacebar. I can't read the picture just yet.

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[duynguyenle]

Is there a center screw hole?  I’m not seeing one.  Usually between the G and the H

Really like the options this pcb has.  Good work

I concur, the lack of a centre screw hole makes typing characters around the homing area quite wobbly for tray mount cases (I suppose for top mount cases, this won't matter), but with many good quality affordable tray cases coming out (Leandre and KBDf cases), having the proper centre hole would be nice (hopefully this is only an accident and not because of the limitations of the PCB routing)

[sennin32]

Is there a center screw hole?  I’m not seeing one.  Usually between the G and the H

Really like the options this pcb has.  Good work

Here : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=91773.msg2533533#msg2533533
Will put the screw hole back

[Applet]

quick reply : yup it does.

complete : You might want to send layout, see if it support.

I would like this layout (infinity hacker):

Keyboard layout: https://tinyurl.com/y78u5hco

It works?

[energyd]

hot swap switch socket support?

[iFreilicht]

Love the layout options! Can I get the plate in black?

[sennin32]

quick reply : yup it does.

complete : You might want to send layout, see if it support.

I would like this layout (infinity hacker):

Show Image

Keyboard layout: https://tinyurl.com/y78u5hco

It works? :)

Yes.

hot swap switch socket support?

Holtite?Most of them works.
But for some position might too lose cause the drilling.

Love the layout options! Can I get the plate in black?

We offer black, gray, silver, gold, purple, blue, purple...etc

[stoic-lemon]

We offer black, gray, silver, gold, purple, blue, purple...

You said purple twice.

I like purple.

[iFreilicht]

Love the layout options! Can I get the plate in black?

We offer black, gray, silver, gold, purple, blue, purple...etc

Perfect, I'm 100% in then! Now to get a custom USB-C cable as well...

[cdn-mini]

I need to know if the PCB is programmable by the user. This is a must for me.
PLEASE ANSWER!

[duynguyenle]

I need to know if the PCB is programmable by the user. This is a must for me.
PLEASE ANSWER!

Mate no self-respecting vendor on this forum is gonna perform an IC for a NON-PROGRAMMABLE PCB...

[cdn-mini]

I need to know if the PCB is programmable by the user. This is a must for me.
PLEASE ANSWER!

Mate no self-respecting vendor on this forum is gonna perform an IC for a NON-PROGRAMMABLE PCB...

So maybe.

[kiwi99]

I need to know if the PCB is programmable by the user. This is a must for me.
PLEASE ANSWER!

Mate no self-respecting vendor on this forum is gonna perform an IC for a NON-PROGRAMMABLE PCB...

the matrix abel gb just ran and its a non-programmable keyboard 

[apaskal]

Hi!
Any chance to get minila similar 3u spacebar? 4u suitable as well

[sennin32]

Hi!
Any chance to get minila similar 3u spacebar? 4u suitable as well

We'll offer 3u space bar as one of the bundle options.
But no 4u this time, sorry

I need to know if the PCB is programmable by the user. This is a must for me.
PLEASE ANSWER!

Sure they are.

[cdn-mini]

Hi!
Any chance to get minila similar 3u spacebar? 4u suitable as well

We'll offer 3u space bar as one of the bundle options.
But no 4u this time, sorry

I need to know if the PCB is programmable by the user. This is a must for me.
PLEASE ANSWER!

Sure they are.

QMK, TMK?
When do expect to start the group buy?

[apaskal]

Hi!
Any chance to get minila similar 3u spacebar? 4u suitable as well

We'll offer 3u space bar as one of the bundle options.
But no 4u this time, sorry

...

O Really?  I mean 3u space bar like this pic shows

[Giorgio]

Would it be possible to make the PCB thicker, for those who don't want to use a plate?

[switchnollie]

Would it be possible to make the PCB thicker, for those who don't want to use a plate?

+1

I'd like it to be extra thicc to skip the plate & use Kailh low-profile switches.

[kiwi99]

Would it be possible to make the PCB thicker, for those who don't want to use a plate?

stack them, dual pcb is all the rage these days

[iFreilicht]

QMK, TMK?

Whatever happened to reading the first post?

Features:
1. Available for standard arrows
2. Keep Shift on the right hand
3. Won't change alpha layout
4. USB Type C
5. RGB underglow LEDs presoldered
6. Both work with ANSI and ISO
7. Switches light support
8. Gold plated soldering pads
9. Split spacebar, support both Filco type 3u Spacebar and 2.75u Keycap
10. SMD parts pre-soldered
11. 3u sacebar*2, use them evenly.
12. QMK ready
13. alpha shifted support

[sennin32]

Would it be possible to make the PCB thicker, for those who don't want to use a plate?

+1

I'd like it to be extra thicc to skip the plate & use Kailh low-profile switches.

Thicker PCB will be 2mm, instead of 1.6.
That means for some case(those fit perfectly), will not able to use -0-

[sennin32]

Hi!
Any chance to get minila similar 3u spacebar? 4u suitable as well

We'll offer 3u space bar as one of the bundle options.
But no 4u this time, sorry

...

O Really?  I mean 3u space bar like this pic shows

yup, 3u space.
Dual 3u space layout sample:

[sennin32]

Hi!
Any chance to get minila similar 3u spacebar? 4u suitable as well

We'll offer 3u space bar as one of the bundle options.
But no 4u this time, sorry

I need to know if the PCB is programmable by the user. This is a must for me.
PLEASE ANSWER!

Sure they are.

QMK, TMK?
When do expect to start the group buy?

QMK is ready, but not yet TMK.
I'm looking for some online tool which can replace TMK.
Seems only qmk support RGB underglow.

[bluesclera]

Any chance the PCB will support ALPS switches? Any thoughts of a separate plates to accommodate ALPS?

[Giorgio]

Would it be possible to make the PCB thicker, for those who don't want to use a plate?

+1

I'd like it to be extra thicc to skip the plate & use Kailh low-profile switches.

Thicker PCB will be 2mm, instead of 1.6.
That means for some case(those fit perfectly), will not able to use -0-

I've never seen that happening in any... case.

A small increment in thickness leads to a big increase in rigidity, since the inertia is proportional to the cube of the thickness, that means that if the height of the PCB doubles, the rigidity becomes 8 times as much!!!

In this case, going from 1.6mm to 2mm (an increment of 25% in thickness)  gives you double the rigity (100% increment).

[iFreilicht]

When can we expect the group buy to start? I'm super eager to get my hands on one of these!

[_haru]

This is awesome! So excited for this

[sennin32]

Hi!
Any chance to get minila similar 3u spacebar? 4u suitable as well

We'll offer 3u space bar as one of the bundle options.
But no 4u this time, sorry

I need to know if the PCB is programmable by the user. This is a must for me.
PLEASE ANSWER!

Sure they are.

QMK, TMK?
When do expect to start the group buy?

We're making new sample now.
Modify LED position and some other parts's position.
Will launch around early Jun.

[pixelpusher]

Hi!
Any chance to get minila similar 3u spacebar? 4u suitable as well

We'll offer 3u space bar as one of the bundle options.
But no 4u this time, sorry

I need to know if the PCB is programmable by the user. This is a must for me.
PLEASE ANSWER!

Sure they are.

QMK, TMK?
When do expect to start the group buy?

We're making new sample now.
Modify LED position and some other parts's position.
Will launch around early Jun.

Wait.   Jun?   Did you mean June or did you mean Jan as in January?

[gok_nz]

Hi!
Any chance to get minila similar 3u spacebar? 4u suitable as well

We'll offer 3u space bar as one of the bundle options.
But no 4u this time, sorry

I need to know if the PCB is programmable by the user. This is a must for me.
PLEASE ANSWER!

Sure they are.

QMK, TMK?
When do expect to start the group buy?

We're making new sample now.
Modify LED position and some other parts's position.
Will launch around early Jun.

Don't you mean January rather than June?

[Giorgio]

What options are there for a convex gmk space-bar? Convex like the standard spacebars, while existing shift keys are concave and unusable as spacebars, in my opinion.

[gok_nz]

What options are there for a convex gmk space-bar? Convex like the standard spacebars, while existing shift keys are concave and unusable as spacebars, in my opinion.

Not sure whether you mean cherry profile or not but I don't think GMK makes convex space-bars other than 6u, 6.25u and 7u.

If you mean cherry though, a few pbt manufacturers make cherry profile space bars in white, beige, light gray, dark gray and black.

[Giorgio]

What options are there for a convex gmk space-bar? Convex like the standard spacebars, while existing shift keys are concave and unusable as spacebars, in my opinion.

Not sure whether you mean cherry profile or not but I don't think GMK makes convex space-bars other than 6u, 6.25u and 7u.

If you mean cherry though, a few pbt manufacturers make cherry profile space bars in white, beige, light gray, dark gray and black.

I've found out that Gmk makes a convex  2u R4 key, it's the top one. It also makes a 1u R4 key.

https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/gmk-add-on-kit-tu2-spacebars_371/

[sennin32]

Wait.   Jun?   Did you mean June or did you mean Jan as in January?

Don't you mean January rather than June?

Sorry, it is Jan.

[Giorgio]

Since gmk makes 1u and 2u convex (spacebar-like) keys, what about contacting them asking for other sizes? I don't know if 3u or 3.25u .... Or both?

Did you guys reconsider the PCB thickness question? 2mm would give double the rigidity, allowing us to have a solid keyboard without the need for a plate. I don't understand why some cases couldn't be compatible with a 0.4mm increase in thickness.

[sennin32]

Cause we changed the switches direction for each and 1.
Which means we have to push the usb and Pcb out.
So the Pcb will go into the USB port.
If the cutout space is really tight, it is not able to fit.

[Giorgio]

Cause we changed the switches direction for each and 1.
Which means we have to push the usb and Pcb out.
So the Pcb will go into the USB port.
If the cutout space is really tight, it is not able to fit.

If you use USB C instead of mini, it is wider and thinner. So it fits. USB C connector is 2.5mm tall, while USB mini is 3.9mm, so you could even use a 1.6mm+(3.9mm-2.5mm)=3.0mm PCB.

There is also the option of using a cut through connector

[duynguyenle]

Cause we changed the switches direction for each and 1.
Which means we have to push the usb and Pcb out.
So the Pcb will go into the USB port.
If the cutout space is really tight, it is not able to fit.

I think this is normal, most 60% PCBs with the correct switch orientation also have a small PCB extension at the USB port location for this same reason (Just have a look at the GH60 rev C, GON Nerd60, Winkeyless b.mini and Sentraq S60, they are all like this). The fact that those PCBs work with most of the cases on the market means that you're unlikely to have any issues with your PCB if you take the same approach.

[sennin32]

Cause we changed the switches direction for each and 1.
Which means we have to push the usb and Pcb out.
So the Pcb will go into the USB port.
If the cutout space is really tight, it is not able to fit.

If you use USB C instead of mini, it is wider and thinner. So it fits. USB C connector is 2.5mm tall, while USB mini is 3.9mm, so you could even use a 1.6mm+(3.9mm-2.5mm)=3.0mm PCB.

There is also the option of using a cut through connector

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It is different direction.

No matter how thin the port is.
The PCB's space is the same.
You can see there's no room for thicker PCB.
(This is first sample, , PCB is not extended near port, 2mm is okay, but for 2nd sample, it will extend and goin to the cutout, if it become thicker, not able to fit I think)
Not every case's cutout is the same as this one, but if we make it with 2mm.
Means some cases might not fit.

[Giorgio]

Thanks for your answer, so the mid mount connector would be the only chance.
I think that many would like the chance of saving (money, time), by not having a plate, with a thicker PCB.

[pomk]

Thanks for your answer, so the mid mount connector would be the only chance.
I think that many would like the chance of saving (money, time), by not having a plate, with a thicker PCB.

PCB mount stabs don’t work with thicker PCBs. So a thick PCB will work only if used with a plate and plate mounted stabs. You could order the PCBs with z-axis milling to thin them around the stab holes, but the cost would be prohibitive I think.

[Giorgio]

Thanks for your answer, so the mid mount connector would be the only chance.
I think that many would like the chance of saving (money, time), by not having a plate, with a thicker PCB.

PCB mount stabs don’t work with thicker PCBs. So a thick PCB will work only if used with a plate and plate mounted stabs. You could order the PCBs with z-axis milling to thin them around the stab holes, but the cost would be prohibitive I think.

I doubt that they don't work since the UNIQEY PCB is thicker and has PCB mount stabilisers. There are also screw mount stabilisers, that work with any thickness. The point is that trying new layouts is easier if you don't have to order a plate too.

[pomk]

Thanks for your answer, so the mid mount connector would be the only chance.
I think that many would like the chance of saving (money, time), by not having a plate, with a thicker PCB.

PCB mount stabs don’t work with thicker PCBs. So a thick PCB will work only if used with a plate and plate mounted stabs. You could order the PCBs with z-axis milling to thin them around the stab holes, but the cost would be prohibitive I think.

I doubt that they don't work since the UNIQEY PCB is thicker and has PCB mount stabilisers. There are also screw mount stabilisers, that work with any thickness. The point is that trying new layouts is easier if you don't have to order a plate too.

Really? How thick? Even screw mounted pcb stabs require the pcb to be 1.6mm, as only one side is mounted with a screw while the other end is held via mechanical retention.

[Giorgio]

Thanks for your answer, so the mid mount connector would be the only chance.
I think that many would like the chance of saving (money, time), by not having a plate, with a thicker PCB.

PCB mount stabs don’t work with thicker PCBs. So a thick PCB will work only if used with a plate and plate mounted stabs. You could order the PCBs with z-axis milling to thin them around the stab holes, but the cost would be prohibitive I think.

I doubt that they don't work since the UNIQEY PCB is thicker and has PCB mount stabilisers. There are also screw mount stabilisers, that work with any thickness. The point is that trying new layouts is easier if you don't have to order a plate too.

Really? How thick? Even screw mounted pcb stabs require the pcb to be 1.6mm, as only one side is mounted with a screw while the other end is held via mechanical retention.

Q100 PCB is at least 2mm thick

[iFreilicht]

Sorry, it is Jan.

Oh whew, I was totally ready to wait until June

Since gmk makes 1u and 2u convex (spacebar-like) keys, what about contacting them asking for other sizes? I don't know if 3u or 3.25u .... Or both?

That would require new moulds, though. IIRC this also came up in the GMK Nautilus IC (because it does have an extensive spacebar set already), but there was no way for it to happen.

Thanks for your answer, so the mid mount connector would be the only chance.
I think that many would like the chance of saving (money, time), by not having a plate, with a thicker PCB.

No that wouldn't work either. Take a look at the picture again:

It is different direction.

Show Image

No matter how thin the port is.
The PCB's space is the same.
You can see there's no room for thicker PCB.
(This is first sample, , PCB is not extended near port, 2mm is okay, but for 2nd sample, it will extend and goin to the cutout, if it become thicker, not able to fit I think)
Not every case's cutout is the same as this one, but if we make it with 2mm.
Means some cases might not fit.

There needs to be a protrusion on the PCB where the USB-C port is. To allow USB C cables to be plugged in, this protrusion needs to be so long that it actually sticks into the USB port hole in the case. Doing this, it touches the top of that hole, so if you made the PCB thicker, it would interfere with that hole, meaning the PCB wouldn't fit inside the case anymore.

The only way to fix this would be to cut the hole open a bit or shorten the standoffs inside the case.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't want to build this board without a plate, purely for aesthetic reasons.

[pomk]

Thanks for your answer, so the mid mount connector would be the only chance.
I think that many would like the chance of saving (money, time), by not having a plate, with a thicker PCB.

PCB mount stabs don’t work with thicker PCBs. So a thick PCB will work only if used with a plate and plate mounted stabs. You could order the PCBs with z-axis milling to thin them around the stab holes, but the cost would be prohibitive I think.

I doubt that they don't work since the UNIQEY PCB is thicker and has PCB mount stabilisers. There are also screw mount stabilisers, that work with any thickness. The point is that trying new layouts is easier if you don't have to order a plate too.

Really? How thick? Even screw mounted pcb stabs require the pcb to be 1.6mm, as only one side is mounted with a screw while the other end is held via mechanical retention.

Q100 PCB is at least 2mm thick

Would you have a picture of the pcb and stabs? I’m interested to see whether they have resorted to z-axis milling or custom stabs.

[Giorgio]

Thanks for your answer, so the mid mount connector would be the only chance.
I think that many would like the chance of saving (money, time), by not having a plate, with a thicker PCB.

PCB mount stabs don’t work with thicker PCBs. So a thick PCB will work only if used with a plate and plate mounted stabs. You could order the PCBs with z-axis milling to thin them around the stab holes, but the cost would be prohibitive I think.

I doubt that they don't work since the UNIQEY PCB is thicker and has PCB mount stabilisers. There are also screw mount stabilisers, that work with any thickness. The point is that trying new layouts is easier if you don't have to order a plate too.

Really? How thick? Even screw mounted pcb stabs require the pcb to be 1.6mm, as only one side is mounted with a screw while the other end is held via mechanical retention.

Q100 PCB is at least 2mm thick

Would you have a picture of the pcb and stabs? I’m interested to see whether they have resorted to z-axis milling or custom stabs.

I won't have one at hand for a long time. You can simulate the different thickness with paper (0.1mm/sheet)

[pomk]

Thanks for your answer, so the mid mount connector would be the only chance.
I think that many would like the chance of saving (money, time), by not having a plate, with a thicker PCB.

PCB mount stabs don’t work with thicker PCBs. So a thick PCB will work only if used with a plate and plate mounted stabs. You could order the PCBs with z-axis milling to thin them around the stab holes, but the cost would be prohibitive I think.

I doubt that they don't work since the UNIQEY PCB is thicker and has PCB mount stabilisers. There are also screw mount stabilisers, that work with any thickness. The point is that trying new layouts is easier if you don't have to order a plate too.

Really? How thick? Even screw mounted pcb stabs require the pcb to be 1.6mm, as only one side is mounted with a screw while the other end is held via mechanical retention.

Q100 PCB is at least 2mm thick

Would you have a picture of the pcb and stabs? I’m interested to see whether they have resorted to z-axis milling or custom stabs.

I won't have one at hand for a long time. You can simulate the different thickness with paper (0.1mm/sheet)

I have illustrated the problem below. I highly doubt that you can stretch that latching piece of plastic by 25%.

[Giorgio]

Did you measure it?