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geekhack Community => Ergonomics => Topic started by: LuX on Wed, 06 September 2017, 03:29:22

Title: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: LuX on Wed, 06 September 2017, 03:29:22
After 7 years, Logitech releases a new thumb trackball. Waddyathink?

Some of the features:
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: algernon on Wed, 06 September 2017, 03:50:01
The adjustable hinge is nice, though it could go a bit higher. But 20 degrees is a start!

If it wasn't a thumb-trackball, and had a scroll ring like the Kensington Orbit, I'd buy it in an instant.
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: AMongoose on Wed, 06 September 2017, 04:02:07
The adjustable hinge is nice, though it could go a bit higher. But 20 degrees is a start!

If it wasn't a thumb-trackball, and had a scroll ring like the Kensington Orbit, I'd buy it in an instant.

this, but i might still try it, don't have much experience with thumb trackballs
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2017, 19:15:05
Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmm..


does it have the pixart 3366 ?
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: LuX on Thu, 07 September 2017, 05:05:33
Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmm..


does it have the pixart 3366 ?

I doubt it. I took a closer look at the official specs sheet:

Sensor technology
Logitech Advance Optical Tracking
Nominal value : 380 dpi
Minimal and maximal value : 320 dpi - 440 dpi


I hope that's a joke. 440 max dpi seems ridiculous and far from "latest" or "faster tracking". Especially considering that more and more people have 4k monitors.

On the positive side, I also learned that there's an MX ERGO PLUS model that increases the adjustable angle up to 30°, that seems nice. Hopefully it has better tracking as well.
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: hanya on Thu, 07 September 2017, 06:49:43
The sensor is Mickey.
Quote
DPI (Min/Max)   512dpi to 2048dpi
Sensor   Mickey
Scroll Wheel   Optical sensing technology
Source: http://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse/specs
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 08:04:47
The sensor is Mickey.
Quote
DPI (Min/Max)   512dpi to 2048dpi
Sensor   Mickey
Scroll Wheel   Optical sensing technology
Source: http://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse/specs

Mickey ?

hrrrrrm......................

don't know what that is..  but it doesn't look like any sort of gaming sensor..


As long as that ball does 1000 hz i suppose it doesn't matter what sensor..


Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: LuX on Thu, 07 September 2017, 10:38:36
The sensor is Mickey.
Quote
DPI (Min/Max)   512dpi to 2048dpi
Sensor   Mickey
Scroll Wheel   Optical sensing technology
Source: http://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse/specs

Nice find. The information seems to contradict the specs sheet at the bottom of the product page: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse
512-2048 dpi does make a lot more sense than 320-440 dpi. I wonder if the 380 dpi nominal refers the optical tracker of the scroll wheel. Weird that they would list that over the trackball dpi.

Mickey ?

hrrrrrm......................

don't know what that is..  but it doesn't look like any sort of gaming sensor..


As long as that ball does 1000 hz i suppose it doesn't matter what sensor..

I don't think any of the Logitech office products have gaming-grade sensors. Instead they focus on battery saving sensors that can track on different surfaces. Plus, I believe every trackball manufacturer uses a sensor developed specifically for trackballs. It's much more likely that Mickey is closer to 250/500 Hz to achieve the 4 months battery life. Can't seem to find anything about the manufacturer, though. Probably a cheap Chinese commission.
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 10:53:41

I don't think any of the Logitech office products have gaming-grade sensors. Instead they focus on battery saving sensors that can track on different surfaces. Plus, I believe every trackball manufacturer uses a sensor developed specifically for trackballs. It's much more likely that Mickey is closer to 250/500 Hz to achieve the 4 months battery life. Can't seem to find anything about the manufacturer, though. Probably a cheap Chinese commission.



I remember reading that the only difference between trackball optical sensor and regular mouse sensor is the Lens they use.

Because trackball works on a round surface they use a different lens to compensate for the curvature.


But yea, don't know for surzies..  1000hz would be nice though..
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: FloFoer94 on Fri, 08 September 2017, 12:29:22
Thought about getting a MX Master 2S in the near future. Definitely interested in this. Might give it a try as my first trackball instead of the MX Master.
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: fnurl on Mon, 11 September 2017, 13:25:40
Wrong hand.
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 11 September 2017, 22:03:00
i feel like the wireless ensures the ball performance is going to be a bit choppy..   hopefully it has a 500hz mode..   but if it's going through their unifying receiver.. then that's not happening.
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: LuX on Tue, 12 September 2017, 04:28:14
i feel like the wireless ensures the ball performance is going to be a bit choppy..   hopefully it has a 500hz mode..   but if it's going through their unifying receiver.. then that's not happening.

Yeah, unifying is 125Hz max. With luck there's a wired mode with higher polling, but I'm 99% sure the wired is recharge only.
Still waiting for this to come: https://www.gamingtrackball.com/pages/overview Finger trackballing is much better anyway.
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: FloFoer94 on Tue, 12 September 2017, 04:46:13
i feel like the wireless ensures the ball performance is going to be a bit choppy..   hopefully it has a 500hz mode..   but if it's going through their unifying receiver.. then that's not happening.

Yeah, unifying is 125Hz max. With luck there's a wired mode with higher polling, but I'm 99% sure the wired is recharge only.
Still waiting for this to come: https://www.gamingtrackball.com/pages/overview Finger trackballing is much better anyway.

Whats the polling rate via bluetooth?
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: LuX on Tue, 12 September 2017, 04:59:00
Whats the polling rate via bluetooth?

Probably 125Hz as well. Even if it uses a newer version of bluetooth that may or may not have faster capacity, the 125Hz is probably fixed in hardware.
125Hz isn't bad per-say, it's still 2 polls per frame at 60fps, but in a fast paced shooter it can come off as unresponsive. If there was a gsync-like system, but for mice, it would pretty much solve the issue.
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: AMongoose on Tue, 12 September 2017, 05:08:21
Whats the polling rate via bluetooth?

Probably 125Hz as well. Even if it uses a newer version of bluetooth that may or may not have faster capacity, the 125Hz is probably fixed in hardware.
125Hz isn't bad per-say, it's still 2 polls per frame at 60fps, but in a fast paced shooter it can come off as unresponsive. If there was a gsync-like system, but for mice, it would pretty much solve the issue.

does anyone actually play shooters with a trackball tho?
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: davkol on Tue, 12 September 2017, 05:51:41
Title: Re: Logitech MX ERGO
Post by: LuX on Tue, 12 September 2017, 13:54:59
does anyone actually play shooters with a trackball tho?

The hardest part isn't aiming, it's the lack of a competent gaming trackball with optimal button placement. Since my mouse broke I've played a lot of games with a trackball and the biggest problem has been the amount of buttons.