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geekhack Community => Ergonomics => Topic started by: LuX on Wed, 06 September 2017, 03:29:22
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After 7 years, Logitech releases a new thumb trackball. Waddyathink?
Some of the features:
- 20° adjustable roll, magnetic
- 'PLUS' model with 30° adjustable roll
- 4 months wireless battery, rechargeable
- Programmable buttons, including DPI switch
- Unifying dongle (2.4 Ghz) / Bluetooth dual connectivity
- Soft rubber top coat
- Mickey Sensor (?), 512-2048 DPI
- Price ~99$
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The adjustable hinge is nice, though it could go a bit higher. But 20 degrees is a start!
If it wasn't a thumb-trackball, and had a scroll ring like the Kensington Orbit, I'd buy it in an instant.
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The adjustable hinge is nice, though it could go a bit higher. But 20 degrees is a start!
If it wasn't a thumb-trackball, and had a scroll ring like the Kensington Orbit, I'd buy it in an instant.
this, but i might still try it, don't have much experience with thumb trackballs
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Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmm..
does it have the pixart 3366 ?
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Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmm..
does it have the pixart 3366 ?
I doubt it. I took a closer look at the official specs sheet:
Sensor technology
Logitech Advance Optical Tracking
Nominal value : 380 dpi
Minimal and maximal value : 320 dpi - 440 dpi
I hope that's a joke. 440 max dpi seems ridiculous and far from "latest" or "faster tracking". Especially considering that more and more people have 4k monitors.
On the positive side, I also learned that there's an MX ERGO PLUS model that increases the adjustable angle up to 30°, that seems nice. Hopefully it has better tracking as well.
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The sensor is Mickey.
DPI (Min/Max) 512dpi to 2048dpi
Sensor Mickey
Scroll Wheel Optical sensing technology
Source: http://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse/specs
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The sensor is Mickey.
DPI (Min/Max) 512dpi to 2048dpi
Sensor Mickey
Scroll Wheel Optical sensing technology
Source: http://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse/specs
Mickey ?
hrrrrrm......................
don't know what that is.. but it doesn't look like any sort of gaming sensor..
As long as that ball does 1000 hz i suppose it doesn't matter what sensor..
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The sensor is Mickey.
DPI (Min/Max) 512dpi to 2048dpi
Sensor Mickey
Scroll Wheel Optical sensing technology
Source: http://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse/specs
Nice find. The information seems to contradict the specs sheet at the bottom of the product page: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse
512-2048 dpi does make a lot more sense than 320-440 dpi. I wonder if the 380 dpi nominal refers the optical tracker of the scroll wheel. Weird that they would list that over the trackball dpi.
Mickey ?
hrrrrrm......................
don't know what that is.. but it doesn't look like any sort of gaming sensor..
As long as that ball does 1000 hz i suppose it doesn't matter what sensor..
I don't think any of the Logitech office products have gaming-grade sensors. Instead they focus on battery saving sensors that can track on different surfaces. Plus, I believe every trackball manufacturer uses a sensor developed specifically for trackballs. It's much more likely that Mickey is closer to 250/500 Hz to achieve the 4 months battery life. Can't seem to find anything about the manufacturer, though. Probably a cheap Chinese commission.
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I don't think any of the Logitech office products have gaming-grade sensors. Instead they focus on battery saving sensors that can track on different surfaces. Plus, I believe every trackball manufacturer uses a sensor developed specifically for trackballs. It's much more likely that Mickey is closer to 250/500 Hz to achieve the 4 months battery life. Can't seem to find anything about the manufacturer, though. Probably a cheap Chinese commission.
I remember reading that the only difference between trackball optical sensor and regular mouse sensor is the Lens they use.
Because trackball works on a round surface they use a different lens to compensate for the curvature.
But yea, don't know for surzies.. 1000hz would be nice though..
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Thought about getting a MX Master 2S in the near future. Definitely interested in this. Might give it a try as my first trackball instead of the MX Master.
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Wrong hand.
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i feel like the wireless ensures the ball performance is going to be a bit choppy.. hopefully it has a 500hz mode.. but if it's going through their unifying receiver.. then that's not happening.
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i feel like the wireless ensures the ball performance is going to be a bit choppy.. hopefully it has a 500hz mode.. but if it's going through their unifying receiver.. then that's not happening.
Yeah, unifying is 125Hz max. With luck there's a wired mode with higher polling, but I'm 99% sure the wired is recharge only.
Still waiting for this to come: https://www.gamingtrackball.com/pages/overview Finger trackballing is much better anyway.
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i feel like the wireless ensures the ball performance is going to be a bit choppy.. hopefully it has a 500hz mode.. but if it's going through their unifying receiver.. then that's not happening.
Yeah, unifying is 125Hz max. With luck there's a wired mode with higher polling, but I'm 99% sure the wired is recharge only.
Still waiting for this to come: https://www.gamingtrackball.com/pages/overview Finger trackballing is much better anyway.
Whats the polling rate via bluetooth?
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Whats the polling rate via bluetooth?
Probably 125Hz as well. Even if it uses a newer version of bluetooth that may or may not have faster capacity, the 125Hz is probably fixed in hardware.
125Hz isn't bad per-say, it's still 2 polls per frame at 60fps, but in a fast paced shooter it can come off as unresponsive. If there was a gsync-like system, but for mice, it would pretty much solve the issue.
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Whats the polling rate via bluetooth?
Probably 125Hz as well. Even if it uses a newer version of bluetooth that may or may not have faster capacity, the 125Hz is probably fixed in hardware.
125Hz isn't bad per-say, it's still 2 polls per frame at 60fps, but in a fast paced shooter it can come off as unresponsive. If there was a gsync-like system, but for mice, it would pretty much solve the issue.
does anyone actually play shooters with a trackball tho?
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does anyone actually play shooters with a trackball tho?
The hardest part isn't aiming, it's the lack of a competent gaming trackball with optimal button placement. Since my mouse broke I've played a lot of games with a trackball and the biggest problem has been the amount of buttons.