Post by: donutcat on Wed, 24 January 2018, 19:01:55
(https://i.imgur.com/gngqvPa.png) (https://i.imgur.com/gngqvPa.png)
Base kit
(https://i.imgur.com/wd2CxID.png) (https://i.imgur.com/wd2CxID.png)
Spacebars kit
(https://i.imgur.com/3iQ4J68.png) (https://i.imgur.com/3iQ4J68.png)
Novelty kit
(https://i.imgur.com/A1y4l5B.png) (https://i.imgur.com/A1y4l5B.png)
Bonsai kit
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Update 5/20/18:
Alright, so here's the current plan for the set. Kits are soft locked as they appear below:
(https://i.imgur.com/9onhJad.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9onhJad.png)
Base Kit - most likely will include some novelties as well
(https://i.imgur.com/CR9AX2M.png) (https://i.imgur.com/CR9AX2M.png)
Spacebars Kit - typical normal and split spacebar compatibility
(https://i.imgur.com/inASP4M.png) (https://i.imgur.com/inASP4M.png)
Bonsai Kit - Hiragana sublegend alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/2TNNUfK.png) (https://i.imgur.com/2TNNUfK.png)
Monotone Mods Kit - U9 mods to be used with alphas to make a monotone/uniform set
As stated previously, there is a bit of non-compatibility with the U9 mods and the Bonsai in that they could not be used together without some other keys being needed, F1-F4, F9-F12, numpad numbers, spacebars. Really there's no good way around this, I'd need to add those keys to one of those kits, but I don't think that's fair to raise the price on either of those kits for the realistically very small demographic that would be using the two together.
If there is a significant number of people looking to use those two kits together, let me know and I can look into a solution if there is enough support to warrant it. Otherwise, I think it's better to leave it as is for the best chance of everything hitting the MOQs.
Here's my current list of what needs to be done for the set:
- novelty design and approval
- submit to gmk for mockups and quoting
- talk to potential proxies
- move into GB stage
At this time I'm still hoping for a launch sometime June and hoping that won't interfere with anything else.
Go ahead and let me know your thoughts and if I missed anything you think needs attention.
Poll for a U9 mods kit https://www.strawpoll.me/15375947
(https://i.imgur.com/e334ZK8.png) (https://i.imgur.com/e334ZK8.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/wuQZgxV.png) (https://i.imgur.com/wuQZgxV.png)
Bonsai Kit anyone?
(https://i.imgur.com/I66qGMu.png) (https://i.imgur.com/I66qGMu.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/r0lctVG.png) (https://i.imgur.com/r0lctVG.png)
No hard deadline at the moment, but the plan is for around May
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 24 January 2018, 19:07:44
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 24 January 2018, 19:09:08
(https://i.imgur.com/r0lctVG.png) (https://i.imgur.com/r0lctVG.png)
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 24 January 2018, 19:15:40
Post by: Unforgivable on Wed, 24 January 2018, 19:17:06
Hmm, didn't notice that only the text rendered. The mods are still very much text + icon
(https://i.imgur.com/r0lctVG.png) (https://i.imgur.com/r0lctVG.png)
I am NOT missing out this time. Excited for R2, as the set looked fantastic!
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 24 January 2018, 19:20:49
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Post by: eksuen on Wed, 24 January 2018, 19:21:50
Ooo. So I can actually use my set now :D
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That's why I bought two sets last time. :))
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 24 January 2018, 19:32:18
Ooo. So I can actually use my set now :D
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That's why I bought two sets last time. :))
I got lucky and got an extra slot from someone in the first round while it was still in progress. The part I really worried about was the spacebars just cause i seem to put a spot on my spacebars in the same place every time, and I want a clean one for photos.
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 24 January 2018, 19:34:49
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 24 January 2018, 19:38:09
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 24 January 2018, 19:45:07
why would you run r2 if r1 barely made MOQ
Maybe now that people have seen the set in person and liked what they saw, they'll participate in R2? Shrug.
I got lucky and got an extra slot from someone in the first round while it was still in progress. The part I really worried about was the spacebars just cause i seem to put a spot on my spacebars in the same place every time, and I want a clean one for photos.
Which spacebar from the set would you use?
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 24 January 2018, 19:49:23
why would you run r2 if r1 barely made MOQ
Thanks for your concern puddster, but not only did we clear MOQ by 14%, there was substantial demand for the set after the GB period and during the fulfillment period, as evidenced by conversation in this thread as well as other Coniferous topics. Additionally, as creator and runner of the set, I'm pretty free to run the set when I'd like.
Post by: kiwi99 on Wed, 24 January 2018, 20:09:35
why would you run r2 if r1 barely made MOQ
wonder if ur garbage all red set will make anywhere near moq :thinking:
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 24 January 2018, 20:40:07
Donut, can you possibly hilight the changes from R1 to R2?
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Wed, 24 January 2018, 21:10:34
Post by: Mechboards on Thu, 25 January 2018, 05:59:31
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 25 January 2018, 08:43:31
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 25 January 2018, 09:08:07
Post by: dgneo on Thu, 25 January 2018, 09:10:14
Well, not so much an IC but a statement from me "this is going to happen" but whatever. I guess it had to be done so that later on I can wait 1-2 weeks for my GB thread to be approved when I want to start the GB
Snarky isn't a good look.
Post by: xondat on Thu, 25 January 2018, 09:14:12
Well, not so much an IC but a statement from me "this is going to happen" but whatever. I guess it had to be done so that later on I can wait 1-2 weeks for my GB thread to be approved when I want to start the GB
If you report the thread and ask for approval that way, it gets done sooner. No need to be an ass about it though.
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 25 January 2018, 10:08:13
Well, not so much an IC but a statement from me "this is going to happen" but whatever. I guess it had to be done so that later on I can wait 1-2 weeks for my GB thread to be approved when I want to start the GB
If you report the thread and ask for approval that way, it gets done sooner. No need to be an ass about it though.
Doesn't exactly seem like common knowledge as I've never seen it mentioned anywhere but here.
Post by: ojrask on Thu, 25 January 2018, 18:17:04
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 25 January 2018, 20:15:05
Jesus,people. Don’t get petty over plastic bits. I know with the dumpster trumpster in office being an ******* is praiseworthy. But let’s strive to be more respectful, especially in a forum that is on topic.
Donut, can you possibly hilight the changes from R1 to R2?
Easiest way is to compare kit contents:
R1
(https://i.imgur.com/YB6sirl.png) (https://i.imgur.com/YB6sirl.png)
R2
(https://i.imgur.com/r0lctVG.png) (https://i.imgur.com/r0lctVG.png)
Removals:
Mod-colored F1-F4, F9-F10
Accent-colored F5-F8
Accent-colored PrtSc, Scroll Lock, Pause
ISO @ ' key
Mod-colored blanks
Windows icon keys
Menu icon key
Dot-homing numpad5
Additions:
Alpha-colored esc
Stepped R3 control
Barred-homing numpad5
Proper 65/75% support
Code keys
Menu text key
R4 1.25u and 1.5u capslock
2u Shift
Make right alts into alt gr
My thought process in the kit re-design was cleaning up a lot of stuff that I felt was redundant or unnecessary and add stuff that I realized was really missing from R1. The goal is better compatibility than R1 while streamlining to keep the cost reasonable, which might still be difficult with the current state of EUR:USD. While R1 had a lot of stuff that I liked, I'm realizing now after almost another year of kit design experience that it was quite bloated for the amount of function that it gave.
At this point in time I'm still open to kit suggestions and do need some assistance with the ISO keys to make sure they're what they should be.
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 25 January 2018, 22:29:34
Bottom row CapsLock keys should be part of the "redundant or unnecessary" cleanup, it's 2018, CapsLock needs to die already, put it on a layer and be done with it.
I believe Puddsy's concern is valid, what's the rush? Of course there were people after the GB that cried for extras, but don't be fooled by a vocal minority. I'm not speaking against a R2, I'm just agreeing that doing it so soon is not a good move.
Post by: BJW on Thu, 25 January 2018, 23:17:24
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 26 January 2018, 04:13:57
Never understood the appeal of alpha colored Escape. It throws off color balance and it has no business being alpha colored.
Bottom row CapsLock keys should be part of the "redundant or unnecessary" cleanup, it's 2018, CapsLock needs to die already, put it on a layer and be done with it.
I believe Puddsy's concern is valid, what's the rush? Of course there were people after the GB that cried for extras, but don't be fooled by a vocal minority. I'm not speaking against a R2, I'm just agreeing that doing it so soon is not a good move.
I agree on capslock and goofy escape.
I don't think there is any reason to rush, but it's also not like there are custom colors on this one.
What about running it with gaijin alphas and calling it bonzai :P
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 26 January 2018, 07:07:53
What about running it with gaijin alphas and calling it bonzai :P
That is... an incredibly interesting idea. I personally heavily dislike green on my keyboards so I never considered Coniferous but I'd buy that because I love and have owned bonsai trees my whole life. What an interesting concept.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 26 January 2018, 08:34:04
Never understood the appeal of alpha colored Escape. It throws off color balance and it has no business being alpha colored.
Bottom row CapsLock keys should be part of the "redundant or unnecessary" cleanup, it's 2018, CapsLock needs to die already, put it on a layer and be done with it.
I believe Puddsy's concern is valid, what's the rush? Of course there were people after the GB that cried for extras, but don't be fooled by a vocal minority. I'm not speaking against a R2, I'm just agreeing that doing it so soon is not a good move.
I agree on capslock and goofy escape.
I don't think there is any reason to rush, but it's also not like there are custom colors on this one.
What about running it with gaijin alphas and calling it bonzai :P
Not really rushing, like I said May is currently the estimated GB start, but that can easily be put back a month of whatever depending on what's happening then. For the capslock and escape, I don't really see a problem since at the moment they're adding maybe $2 to the set cost, probably less. Also, that bonsai idea is brilliant and now I'll have to work on figuring out a gaijin mock-up this weekend and putting it through IC.
Post by: ojrask on Fri, 26 January 2018, 10:22:16
Post by: Marutks on Fri, 26 January 2018, 11:36:09
Post by: eksuen on Fri, 26 January 2018, 12:32:24
win keys? why?
Are you upset that they were removed? R2 has Code keys instead of Win keys.
Post by: OfTheWild on Fri, 26 January 2018, 16:08:12
Post by: kmba on Fri, 26 January 2018, 16:49:09
R4 caps lock
Stepped Control (does anyone that swaps control to caps lock use stepped? I don't know, honest question)
Alpha colored ESC
1.25u R3 FN. Is this only for 40/45% support? Which is otherwise lacking so why just give 1 key.
Post by: Unforgivable on Fri, 26 January 2018, 17:32:46
Show ImageJesus,people. Don’t get petty over plastic bits. I know with the dumpster trumpster in office being an ******* is praiseworthy. But let’s strive to be more respectful, especially in a forum that is on topic.
Donut, can you possibly hilight the changes from R1 to R2?
Easiest way is to compare kit contents:
R1
(https://i.imgur.com/YB6sirl.png) (https://i.imgur.com/YB6sirl.png)
R2
(https://i.imgur.com/r0lctVG.png) (https://i.imgur.com/r0lctVG.png)
Removals:
Mod-colored F1-F4, F9-F10
Accent-colored F5-F8
Accent-colored PrtSc, Scroll Lock, Pause
ISO @ ' key
Mod-colored blanks
Windows icon keys
Menu icon key
Dot-homing numpad5
Additions:
Alpha-colored esc
Stepped R3 control
Barred-homing numpad5
Proper 65/75% support
Code keys
Menu text key
R4 1.25u and 1.5u capslock
2u Shift
Make right alts into alt gr
My thought process in the kit re-design was cleaning up a lot of stuff that I felt was redundant or unnecessary and add stuff that I realized was really missing from R1. The goal is better compatibility than R1 while streamlining to keep the cost reasonable, which might still be difficult with the current state of EUR:USD. While R1 had a lot of stuff that I liked, I'm realizing now after almost another year of kit design experience that it was quite bloated for the amount of function that it gave.
At this point in time I'm still open to kit suggestions and do need some assistance with the ISO keys to make sure they're what they should be.
Any chance we can keep the window icons?
I hate using code. :'(
Post by: bkw1209 on Fri, 26 January 2018, 18:56:46
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 26 January 2018, 20:43:53
Post by: kokugatsu on Fri, 26 January 2018, 22:29:04
Post by: energyd on Tue, 30 January 2018, 10:12:12
Post by: GurtTractor on Sat, 03 February 2018, 15:05:46
I have yet to own a GMK set. I saw a pic of a 65% with these and thought "YASSS that will be mine!", and a fellow member of the discord that I was on was selling their set which seemed lucky. Unfortunately my finances at this time do not permit such an expenditure, so the fact that this will come around again is very pleasing, as I especially like the green in this set.
Couple of questions: Will the deadline in May be for paying/placing the order? And will Mechboards.co.uk once again be a proxy for it? As that would be handy for me, living in the UK and all. I'm somewhat late to the mech keyboard game so I wasn't in the market for such a set at the time of the last groupbuy.
Thanks.
Post by: Johnee on Sun, 04 February 2018, 02:18:34
I say ditch the following:
R4 caps lock
Stepped Control (does anyone that swaps control to caps lock use stepped? I don't know, honest question)
Alpha colored ESC
1.25u R3 FN. Is this only for 40/45% support? Which is otherwise lacking so why just give 1 key.
Agreed. Even tho the stepped ctrl could be fun, it would probably be hard to use another set on the same board with the correct caps.
As a Mac user I would MUCH appreciate R4 1.5u Code keys. Even better would be proper Cmd keys of course, but I guess the chances for that are slim. I guess those would see a lot more use than the R4 caps lock keys anyway.
Post by: ojrask on Sun, 04 February 2018, 06:37:35
I say ditch the following:
R4 caps lock
Stepped Control (does anyone that swaps control to caps lock use stepped? I don't know, honest question)
Alpha colored ESC
1.25u R3 FN. Is this only for 40/45% support? Which is otherwise lacking so why just give 1 key.
Stepped Control user here. But not a big loss if there is no stepped Control: a nice-to-have, not a requirement.
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 04 February 2018, 20:06:46
Hello. Very much interested in this :)
I have yet to own a GMK set. I saw a pic of a 65% with these and thought "YASSS that will be mine!", and a fellow member of the discord that I was on was selling their set which seemed lucky. Unfortunately my finances at this time do not permit such an expenditure, so the fact that this will come around again is very pleasing, as I especially like the green in this set.
Couple of questions: Will the deadline in May be for paying/placing the order? And will Mechboards.co.uk once again be a proxy for it? As that would be handy for me, living in the UK and all. I'm somewhat late to the mech keyboard game so I wasn't in the market for such a set at the time of the last groupbuy.
Thanks.
May would most likely be the start date of the GB period, if that's when it happens. Also, there will indeed be Mechboards.co if he's up for it again, Taobao proxy via KP group, and most likely zFrontier proxying as well.
Post by: Mechboards on Mon, 05 February 2018, 07:49:07
Hello. Very much interested in this :)
I have yet to own a GMK set. I saw a pic of a 65% with these and thought "YASSS that will be mine!", and a fellow member of the discord that I was on was selling their set which seemed lucky. Unfortunately my finances at this time do not permit such an expenditure, so the fact that this will come around again is very pleasing, as I especially like the green in this set.
Couple of questions: Will the deadline in May be for paying/placing the order? And will Mechboards.co.uk once again be a proxy for it? As that would be handy for me, living in the UK and all. I'm somewhat late to the mech keyboard game so I wasn't in the market for such a set at the time of the last groupbuy.
Thanks.
May would most likely be the start date of the GB period, if that's when it happens. Also, there will indeed be Mechboards.co if he's up for it again, Taobao proxy via KP group, and most likely zFrontier proxying as well.
Always up for it :)
Post by: nu_types on Wed, 07 February 2018, 22:25:18
Never understood the appeal of alpha colored Escape. It throws off color balance and it has no business being alpha colored.
Bottom row CapsLock keys should be part of the "redundant or unnecessary" cleanup, it's 2018, CapsLock needs to die already, put it on a layer and be done with it.
I believe Puddsy's concern is valid, what's the rush? Of course there were people after the GB that cried for extras, but don't be fooled by a vocal minority. I'm not speaking against a R2, I'm just agreeing that doing it so soon is not a good move.
I agree on capslock and goofy escape.
I don't think there is any reason to rush, but it's also not like there are custom colors on this one.
What about running it with gaijin alphas and calling it bonzai :P
Not really rushing, like I said May is currently the estimated GB start, but that can easily be put back a month of whatever depending on what's happening then. For the capslock and escape, I don't really see a problem since at the moment they're adding maybe $2 to the set cost, probably less. Also, that bonsai idea is brilliant and now I'll have to work on figuring out a gaijin mock-up this weekend and putting it through IC.
Dude, yes! Please, I need more hiragana sublegends in my life.
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:32:09
Bonsai Kit anyone?
Post by: kevinzavier on Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:49:23
Post by: trikoi00 on Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:51:42
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Post by: mago on Thu, 08 March 2018, 18:15:38
Post by: Geek Maker on Thu, 08 March 2018, 18:43:09
Post by: kevinzavier on Thu, 08 March 2018, 19:55:22
Post by: kevinzavier on Thu, 08 March 2018, 19:55:50
Post by: Allo on Thu, 08 March 2018, 19:57:18
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 08 March 2018, 22:53:43
Would you consider running alternate alphas in white instead of beige?
Wai would you wanna ruin the set like that?
TBH I’m kinda hoping the mods become BR1 instead of N9 to complete the look. It’s supposed to look like a tree. That’s where the name comes from lol.
Post by: Allo on Fri, 09 March 2018, 00:36:55
Would you consider running alternate alphas in white instead of beige?
Wai would you wanna ruin the set like that?
TBH I’m kinda hoping the mods become BR1 instead of N9 to complete the look. It’s supposed to look like a tree. That’s where the name comes from lol.
I have R1. I like it, I just think it would look even better with white alphas.
Post by: kevinzavier on Fri, 09 March 2018, 05:29:34
Post by: ojrask on Fri, 09 March 2018, 06:00:56
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/Birch_trees_in_Finland.JPG/1280px-Birch_trees_in_Finland.JPG)
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:14:21
(https://i.imgur.com/5wk2DeM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5wk2DeM.png)
and B) I didn't particularly like BR1 in combination with N7 and U9.
Post by: kevinzavier on Sun, 18 March 2018, 17:37:38
Post by: midnight2903 on Mon, 19 March 2018, 06:12:37
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 19 March 2018, 10:43:24
Post by: klaaz0r on Thu, 22 March 2018, 16:12:47
The timeline isn't currently very solid. I've got a bunch of stuff lined up, and I want to make this happen when there's enough of a lull to really give it the time and attention it needs.Q2, Q3 or later?
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Post by: donutcat on Mon, 26 March 2018, 16:13:13
Gotta get some hype flowing.
Q2, Q3 or later?
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Not completely sure. I'm working on pushing NGE and Heck-keys at the moment, proxying Phantom, Glow, and Burgundy, and maybe trying to get some work in on PCB, so trying to fit it in might be a bit tricky.
I'm also tossing around the idea of a U9 mods kit as well to turn the set monotone, any thoughts on that from anyone?
Post by: midnight2903 on Tue, 27 March 2018, 00:16:15
(https://i.imgur.com/e334ZK8.png) (https://i.imgur.com/e334ZK8.png)
Gotta get some hype flowing.Q2, Q3 or later?
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Not completely sure. I'm working on pushing NGE and Heck-keys at the moment, proxying Phantom, Glow, and Burgundy, and maybe trying to get some work in on PCB, so trying to fit it in might be a bit tricky.
I'm also tossing around the idea of a U9 mods kit as well to turn the set monotone, any thoughts on that from anyone?
Will those be doubleshot sublegends?
Post by: jihadu on Tue, 27 March 2018, 03:02:52
Post by: klaaz0r on Tue, 27 March 2018, 03:34:19
(https://i.imgur.com/e334ZK8.png) (https://i.imgur.com/e334ZK8.png)could you get a render with the green rama M60-A? that is my goal with these caps and it will probably hype the kit a lot!
Gotta get some hype flowing.Q2, Q3 or later?
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Not completely sure. I'm working on pushing NGE and Heck-keys at the moment, proxying Phantom, Glow, and Burgundy, and maybe trying to get some work in on PCB, so trying to fit it in might be a bit tricky.
I'm also tossing around the idea of a U9 mods kit as well to turn the set monotone, any thoughts on that from anyone?
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Post by: jihadu on Tue, 27 March 2018, 07:25:27
Post by: klaaz0r on Tue, 27 March 2018, 07:28:20
renders are extremely time consuming and donut said his hands are full atm. As for which boards to render, that will be up to donut, as you need to create the models for the keyboard and rendering a true-to-form m60 might require a lot of time(depending on what level of complexity he is aiming for)I understand, but he also wanted some hype :)
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Post by: donutcat on Tue, 27 March 2018, 13:09:43
Post by: jihadu on Tue, 27 March 2018, 13:58:07
Don't worry, I have a feeling you'll see some m60 renders before you know it ;)hype
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 27 March 2018, 15:41:33
(https://i.imgur.com/ug1QJqy.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ug1QJqy.png)
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 27 March 2018, 18:50:32
could you get a render with the green rama M60-A? that is my goal with these caps and it will probably hype the kit a lot!
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(https://i.imgur.com/hfBtj64.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/hfBtj64.jpg)
Ask and ye shall receive, courtesy as always of amnesia0287 who continues doing a ballin job of rendering sets for me.
Post by: midnight2903 on Tue, 27 March 2018, 21:31:21
could you get a render with the green rama M60-A? that is my goal with these caps and it will probably hype the kit a lot!
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(https://i.imgur.com/hfBtj64.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/hfBtj64.jpg)
Ask and ye shall receive, courtesy as always of amnesia0287 who continues doing a ballin job of rendering sets for me.
That looks more grey than green, but I love it!
Post by: rmendis on Wed, 28 March 2018, 01:21:36
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 28 March 2018, 01:24:26
could you get a render with the green rama M60-A? that is my goal with these caps and it will probably hype the kit a lot!
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(https://i.imgur.com/hfBtj64.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/hfBtj64.jpg)
Ask and ye shall receive, courtesy as always of amnesia0287 who continues doing a ballin job of rendering sets for me.
That looks more grey than green, but I love it!
I dunno, as far as I'm aware RAMA hasn't posted pantones, so I just went with the color I had available and guessed what seemed close. But this seems pretty close to me, this is the same exact case color as the render donut posted head on (i only edited the caps between them):
(https://i.imgur.com/ji1QTUj.jpg)
This is the green prototype:
(https://i.imgur.com/abZWCZK.jpg)
I can always make it more green since I can make it any color I want to:
(https://i.imgur.com/fCtBLJ9.jpg)
But just keep in mind, while I can make it as green as I want to, that's not necessarily how it will look.
Post by: midnight2903 on Wed, 28 March 2018, 07:06:04
could you get a render with the green rama M60-A? that is my goal with these caps and it will probably hype the kit a lot!
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(https://i.imgur.com/hfBtj64.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/hfBtj64.jpg)
Ask and ye shall receive, courtesy as always of amnesia0287 who continues doing a ballin job of rendering sets for me.
That looks more grey than green, but I love it!
I can always make it more green since I can make it any color I want to:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fCtBLJ9.jpg)
But just keep in mind, while I can make it as green as I want to, that's not necessarily how it will look.
That looks amazing!
Post by: mkarlsson on Fri, 30 March 2018, 10:31:58
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 30 March 2018, 13:20:57
I own the R1 set and would be in for bonsai kit but not without the @‘ key for uk iso... why is it gone?
That's a side effect of the sublegends, GMK doesn't have a mold for that key with whichever sublegend it would need to have.
Post by: mkarlsson on Fri, 30 March 2018, 14:45:00
I own the R1 set and would be in for bonsai kit but not without the @‘ key for uk iso... why is it gone?
That's a side effect of the sublegends, GMK doesn't have a mold for that key with whichever sublegend it would need to have.
Ah ok, that’s bad. Thanks for the info!
Post by: klaaz0r on Wed, 04 April 2018, 13:17:36
could you get a render with the green rama M60-A? that is my goal with these caps and it will probably hype the kit a lot!
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(https://i.imgur.com/hfBtj64.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/hfBtj64.jpg)
Ask and ye shall receive, courtesy as always of amnesia0287 who continues doing a ballin job of rendering sets for me.
That looks more grey than green, but I love it!
I dunno, as far as I'm aware RAMA hasn't posted pantones, so I just went with the color I had available and guessed what seemed close. But this seems pretty close to me, this is the same exact case color as the render donut posted head on (i only edited the caps between them):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ji1QTUj.jpg)
This is the green prototype:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/abZWCZK.jpg)
I can always make it more green since I can make it any color I want to:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fCtBLJ9.jpg)
But just keep in mind, while I can make it as green as I want to, that's not necessarily how it will look.
Really nice! just ordered the M60 now let this set happen :thumb:
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 26 April 2018, 16:54:52
(https://i.imgur.com/l8sxCTv.png) (https://i.imgur.com/l8sxCTv.png)
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/zL4JcQe.png) (https://i.imgur.com/zL4JcQe.png)
Spacebar Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/hWK9OKb.png) (https://i.imgur.com/hWK9OKb.png)
Bonsai Alphas Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/3AvMfyS.png) (https://i.imgur.com/3AvMfyS.png)
U9 Mods Kit
The base kit is where I'd like it to be, I can't think of a whole bunch that I'd want to change on it. Spacebars are also where I think they need to be based on other sets. The problem children here are the bonsai and U9 mods kits.
Including just one of them wouldn't be an issue, they provide all the keys they'd need to be used with the base kit. The problem comes if someone wanted to get just the bonsai and U9 kits without the base kit, in which case they'd be missing F1-F4, F9-F12, spacebars, and most of the numpad. It'd most likely be a small use case scenario, but it does concern me. Putting those keys in one of those two kits is the obvious choice, but I know whichever one I choose there'll be people unhappy with it. Maybe splitting the keys between the kits would be a safe bet, but then there'd still be complaints. A more extreme choice would be making the bonsai and U9 kits a single kit. It'd decrease the price since you'd lose the flat fee for splitting kits up, but then I'm sure there'd be plenty of complaints from people on either side. The main benefit to this kit setup I can see would be that if someone wants U9 mods and the normal alphas, they'd most likely be able to make a straight trade of the bonsai alphas for the normals. IDK though, this is one of those problems where no matter what someone won't like the decision I make.
Your thoughts on this matter would be much appreciated for my decision making.
Post by: Rensuya on Thu, 26 April 2018, 19:11:52
Also, think there should be some sort of novelties maybe not a crazy large nov kit but a few simple ones. Maybe some outlines of a bonsai tree or any other trees or plant outlines. Personally, I like the set more after the hiragana alphas were added, but I would buy it for sure if some simple and clean novelties were added.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 26 April 2018, 22:18:20
Post by: watchy0ubac on Fri, 27 April 2018, 03:00:48
Post by: ojrask on Fri, 27 April 2018, 07:04:15
Post by: odd on Tue, 01 May 2018, 16:42:40
Post by: xondat on Tue, 01 May 2018, 16:43:39
Please add R1 backspace for us HHKB users, seriously why this key is not standard with every keyset amazes me.
Because that isn't the HHKB layout?
Post by: Giorgio on Tue, 01 May 2018, 18:18:57
Post by: nu_types on Tue, 01 May 2018, 23:37:06
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 02 May 2018, 00:30:55
Post by: midnight2903 on Wed, 02 May 2018, 02:15:32
Please add R1 backspace for us HHKB users, seriously why this key is not standard with every keyset amazes me.
Because that isn't the HHKB layout?
Probably HHKB JP?
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 20 May 2018, 17:22:15
(https://i.imgur.com/9onhJad.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9onhJad.png)
Base Kit - most likely will include some novelties as well
(https://i.imgur.com/CR9AX2M.png) (https://i.imgur.com/CR9AX2M.png)
Spacebars Kit - typical normal and split spacebar compatibility
(https://i.imgur.com/inASP4M.png) (https://i.imgur.com/inASP4M.png)
Bonsai Kit - Hiragana sublegend alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/2TNNUfK.png) (https://i.imgur.com/2TNNUfK.png)
Monotone Mods Kit - U9 mods to be used with alphas to make a monotone/uniform set
As stated previously, there is a bit of non-compatibility with the U9 mods and the Bonsai in that they could not be used together without some other keys being needed, F1-F4, F9-F12, numpad numbers, spacebars. Really there's no good way around this, I'd need to add those keys to one of those kits, but I don't think that's fair to raise the price on either of those kits for the realistically very small demographic that would be using the two together.
If there is a significant number of people looking to use those two kits together, let me know and I can look into a solution if there is enough support to warrant it. Otherwise, I think it's better to leave it as is for the best chance of everything hitting the MOQs.
Here's my current list of what needs to be done for the set:
- novelty design and approval
- submit to gmk for mockups and quoting
- talk to potential proxies
- move into GB stage
At this time I'm still hoping for a launch sometime June and hoping that won't interfere with anything else.
Go ahead and let me know your thoughts and if I missed anything you think needs attention.
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Sun, 20 May 2018, 18:06:47
Would you ever consider using a darker shade of green for legends/accents or are you wanting to stay true to R1?
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sun, 20 May 2018, 18:34:04
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 20 May 2018, 18:35:34
Looks great!
Would you ever consider using a darker shade of green for legends/accents or are you wanting to stay true to R1?
N7 is the darkest green GMK has in their "stocked" colors, and I'd prefer to stick to non-custom colors as well as staying true to R1 for compatibility.
Post by: kokugatsu on Sun, 20 May 2018, 18:44:41
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 22 May 2018, 19:33:51
(https://i.imgur.com/vRBslRw.png) (https://i.imgur.com/vRBslRw.png)
It's actually supposed to be hops, but I think the design also works well as a simplified pine cone
Currently on the lookout for a good simple pine tree design, lemme know if you have any suggestions. Found a few I like but it's a little difficult finding the stuff that's CC.
Post by: Funktion on Tue, 22 May 2018, 21:01:23
Post by: kokugatsu on Tue, 22 May 2018, 21:16:12
Post by: Keebmeupscotty on Wed, 23 May 2018, 10:00:28
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 23 May 2018, 11:27:43
As a proud owner of R1, I'd love to see some bonsai related novelties (especially since I have a bonsai on my desk next to the set.) Gonna give some basic sketches a go. Going to try for a basic pine tree and a sort of classic juniper-esque bonsai. Probably can't get to it til the weekend, but ill either post them here or send ya a pm. Also, is just plain black and white two tone fine for these?
Single color and svg is what's needed for GMK's design requirements. Additionally, GMK requires minimum radius .17mm, minimum line thickness of .34mm, 1mm away from the cap edge. Thanks for doing thins and I look forward to the results!
Post by: ramblinrose on Thu, 24 May 2018, 06:28:58
Post by: Snappo on Tue, 05 June 2018, 18:05:51
Never understood the appeal of alpha colored Escape. It throws off color balance and it has no business being alpha colored.
Bottom row CapsLock keys should be part of the "redundant or unnecessary" cleanup, it's 2018, CapsLock needs to die already, put it on a layer and be done with it.
I believe Puddsy's concern is valid, what's the rush? Of course there were people after the GB that cried for extras, but don't be fooled by a vocal minority. I'm not speaking against a R2, I'm just agreeing that doing it so soon is not a good move.
Which vocal monirity to listen to? The one thats says yes to run it now or the one that says no run it later.
Agreed on esc and caps lock.
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 05 June 2018, 20:00:33
Post by: Giorgio on Wed, 06 June 2018, 06:38:03
As a proud owner of R1, I'd love to see some bonsai related novelties (especially since I have a bonsai on my desk next to the set.) Gonna give some basic sketches a go. Going to try for a basic pine tree and a sort of classic juniper-esque bonsai. Probably can't get to it til the weekend, but ill either post them here or send ya a pm. Also, is just plain black and white two tone fine for these?
Single color and svg is what's needed for GMK's design requirements. Additionally, GMK requires minimum radius .17mm, minimum line thickness of .34mm, 1mm away from the cap edge. Thanks for doing thins and I look forward to the results!
Very intersting info to be added on the wiki, if only it wasn't erased by some hackers.
Post by: Mag_Flux on Wed, 06 June 2018, 21:29:08
After missing R1.. This is great! Any idea on the price range on this yet? :)
Agreed, missed R1 and looking forward to R2.
Post by: zap2oz on Wed, 06 June 2018, 22:09:19
Post by: johngodsmith on Thu, 07 June 2018, 11:02:24
Post by: whytwokay on Fri, 08 June 2018, 21:06:41
Post by: mdlt97 on Fri, 08 June 2018, 21:18:01
Post by: ihalatch on Fri, 08 June 2018, 21:52:14
im torn on the sub legends i feel like russian would have been a better choice tbh, but still 100% buying the base kit
Russian??? You mean Cyrillic? Cyrillic is not Russian. It was created for Bulgarian use in the 8th century long before Russia became a country :)
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 09 June 2018, 08:20:58
I'd add F1-F4 and F9-F12. That would add only 4 USD.
Post by: FilthyMike720 on Sat, 09 June 2018, 16:10:35
Post by: Duckunderscore on Sat, 09 June 2018, 18:48:00
Post by: LeoShi on Sat, 09 June 2018, 19:29:06
Need some green sets
Post by: johngodsmith on Mon, 11 June 2018, 06:55:31
im torn on the sub legends i feel like russian would have been a better choice tbh, but still 100% buying the base kit+1 for cyrillic
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Post by: donutcat on Mon, 11 June 2018, 11:46:16
Post by: johngodsmith on Mon, 11 June 2018, 21:39:33
Not only am I not interested in Cyrillic, it's not even an option for sublegends since GMK doesn't have Cyrillic sublegend molds. Plus Cyrillic doesn't even fit the bonsai name.Damn thats a shame
We werent talking about replacing the weeb kit
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Post by: donutcat on Mon, 11 June 2018, 21:50:11
Post by: johngodsmith on Mon, 11 June 2018, 21:58:21
Anything but Latin alphas isn't viable for the base kit of a set unless strongly associated with the theme of the set, otherwise it just won't do well. If this set was more themed towards another language, even then I'd do sublegends in order to avoid alienating the more "casual" crowd or anyone that just outright prefers being able to read their alphas.Make sense, gotcha.
But I think we got something mixed up. I was voicing my interest in cyrillic sublegends, as I too would like to read my alphas.
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Post by: kokugatsu on Tue, 12 June 2018, 08:58:11
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 13 June 2018, 13:32:19
Anything but Latin alphas isn't viable for the base kit of a set unless strongly associated with the theme of the set, otherwise it just won't do well. If this set was more themed towards another language, even then I'd do sublegends in order to avoid alienating the more "casual" crowd or anyone that just outright prefers being able to read their alphas.Make sense, gotcha.
But I think we got something mixed up. I was voicing my interest in cyrillic sublegends, as I too would like to read my alphas.
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GMK still doesn't have the molds for Cyrillic sublegends, and I'm not interested in raising the price of the set in order to pay for them.
IMO novelties could be put in the Bonsai kit, to accommodate R1 buyers.
True, but that raises the price of the kit and if they're only in that kit(which I'm not sure if you were intending or not) then it forces R2 buyers into that kit to get them as well.
Bonsai kit is fantastic.
I'd add F1-F4 and F9-F12. That would add only 4 USD.
I'm not completely certain on the math there, but yeh throwing those into the U9 mods is probs a good idea to up the coverage to 75% and TKL.
As for the novelties, I've unfortunately been a little slow working on them. I'm absolutely mobbed these past couple weeks with Phantom, budget96, OG Coil Cables, ScrabblePad, Grey on Black, Metaverse, NGE, etc, plus IRL is being a bit of a pain currently. Hopefully I'll get some solid time in before too long.
Post by: johngodsmith on Wed, 13 June 2018, 14:43:17
Yes i was just clearing it upAnything but Latin alphas isn't viable for the base kit of a set unless strongly associated with the theme of the set, otherwise it just won't do well. If this set was more themed towards another language, even then I'd do sublegends in order to avoid alienating the more "casual" crowd or anyone that just outright prefers being able to read their alphas.Make sense, gotcha.
But I think we got something mixed up. I was voicing my interest in cyrillic sublegends, as I too would like to read my alphas.
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GMK still doesn't have the molds for Cyrillic sublegends, and I'm not interested in raising the price of the set in order to pay for them.IMO novelties could be put in the Bonsai kit, to accommodate R1 buyers.
True, but that raises the price of the kit and if they're only in that kit(which I'm not sure if you were intending or not) then it forces R2 buyers into that kit to get them as well.Bonsai kit is fantastic.
I'd add F1-F4 and F9-F12. That would add only 4 USD.
I'm not completely certain on the math there, but yeh throwing those into the U9 mods is probs a good idea to up the coverage to 75% and TKL.
As for the novelties, I've unfortunately been a little slow working on them. I'm absolutely mobbed these past couple weeks with Phantom, budget96, OG Coil Cables, ScrabblePad, Grey on Black, Metaverse, NGE, etc, plus IRL is being a bit of a pain currently. Hopefully I'll get some solid time in before too long.
I now know that you dont have the molds lol
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Post by: molecularronin on Thu, 14 June 2018, 16:25:32
Post by: nu_types on Thu, 21 June 2018, 11:10:23
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 21 June 2018, 12:20:07
Post by: idlemao on Thu, 21 June 2018, 12:33:32
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Thu, 21 June 2018, 13:59:46
Post by: gloomycloud on Wed, 04 July 2018, 13:26:23
Post by: nu_types on Tue, 17 July 2018, 11:05:45
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 17 July 2018, 13:42:02
Any updates? Still shooting for July?.... Or nah?
Still working on novelty designs since I know that's a big part of what people are looking forward to and GMK won't give me a solid quote until we get them the final designs for them. Still hitting July would be nice, but at the same time I learned from RA that I don't want to rush these things.
Post by: Locnguyen1507 on Fri, 03 August 2018, 13:37:39
Post by: dhung97 on Fri, 03 August 2018, 23:38:34
Any updating ???????haha
Post by: nu_types on Mon, 20 August 2018, 23:06:04
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 21 August 2018, 14:07:34
Any timeline for this planned? Or is it tbd?
I've finally settled on novelty designs that me and the artist are happy with, so after going over kits one last time to make sure they're where I think they should be I'll be contacting GMK this week to get the ball rolling. With OG Coil Cables behind schedule I've been wanting to focus on getting them out before moving on to other projects.
Post by: Paopawdecarabao on Tue, 21 August 2018, 17:10:58
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 22 August 2018, 06:19:00
We need the novelties teaserrr. We need it NAOOO! 😁Any timeline for this planned? Or is it tbd?
I've finally settled on novelty designs that me and the artist are happy with, so after going over kits one last time to make sure they're where I think they should be I'll be contacting GMK this week to get the ball rolling. With OG Coil Cables behind schedule I've been wanting to focus on getting them out before moving on to other projects.
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Wed, 22 August 2018, 23:31:53
I know you said its finalized, but just in case (the image below is likely copyrighted, but just for inspiration ?)
- The lantern - on the numpad enter, or smaller version as a 1u R1 key
- Pretty sure a Bonsai tree will be part of the novelties
- The paper fan, on a stepped key
I wonder how the novelties would look like in the Green on Grey scheme. In my mind, they seems to work better in the accent colors - cream on green...
(https://image.freepik.com/free-vector/japan-style_23-2147513622.jpg)
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 29 August 2018, 07:39:41
(https://i.imgur.com/Uf0sDYR.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Uf0sDYR.png)
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/wd2CxID.png) (https://i.imgur.com/wd2CxID.png)
Spacebar Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/EaoDT4W.png) (https://i.imgur.com/EaoDT4W.png)
Bonsai Kit - spacebar wasn't supposed to be included, may or may not stay
(https://i.imgur.com/cANSF3O.png) (https://i.imgur.com/cANSF3O.png)
U9 Mods/Monotone Mods Kit
Take a look and let me know if there's anything obvious that needs to be addressed. At some point when I've got more time to get my thoughts down I do need to discuss Bonsai Kit and U9 Mods Kit.
Forgot to mention, the awesome novelty designs are courtesy of Keebmeupscotty
Post by: vonswoopington on Wed, 29 August 2018, 08:38:17
Post by: kokugatsu on Wed, 29 August 2018, 10:23:47
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 29 August 2018, 10:57:30
Will the novelties be offered separately for those of us that have R1? Looks great btw!
I may adjust how the novelties are included in the kits after thinking a bit. I'll consider a bit more and get back.
Post by: LeoShi on Wed, 29 August 2018, 11:01:34
Post by: Paopawdecarabao on Wed, 29 August 2018, 11:02:03
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 30 August 2018, 21:07:16
Quick poll because someone mentioned removing numpad sublegends for a cleaner look. Also, I will be changing how novelties are distributed in the kits so that R1 buyers have a chance to get just the novelties if they want.
Post by: rmendis on Thu, 30 August 2018, 22:09:27
Sorry if you already posted and I missed it earlier.
Post by: dantambok on Thu, 30 August 2018, 22:12:52
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 31 August 2018, 19:57:43
Would be nice to have a render of alphas with u9 kit, just to get a sense of what it looks like. Might impact the poll results, too.
Sorry if you already posted and I missed it earlier.
(https://i.imgur.com/vHY7IlT.png) (https://i.imgur.com/vHY7IlT.png)
Picture shop of questionable quality, but I think it gets the point across.
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 10 September 2018, 14:01:27
Post by: rmendis on Mon, 10 September 2018, 22:06:32
Would be nice to have a render of alphas with u9 kit, just to get a sense of what it looks like. Might impact the poll results, too.
Sorry if you already posted and I missed it earlier.
(https://i.imgur.com/vHY7IlT.png) (https://i.imgur.com/vHY7IlT.png)
Picture shop of questionable quality, but I think it gets the point across.
Thanks! Looks nice
Any ETA for GB opening?
Post by: young_won on Mon, 10 September 2018, 23:58:23
It is very fantastic. :eek:
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 11 September 2018, 14:44:09
Would be nice to have a render of alphas with u9 kit, just to get a sense of what it looks like. Might impact the poll results, too.
Sorry if you already posted and I missed it earlier.
(https://i.imgur.com/vHY7IlT.png) (https://i.imgur.com/vHY7IlT.png)
Picture shop of questionable quality, but I think it gets the point across.
Thanks! Looks nice
Any ETA for GB opening?
Not currently, depends on the time it takes to hear back from GMK and get everything setup. Don't want to give a hard date as it's too easy to shoot past that by mistake.
Will not you sell Novelties separately?
It is very fantastic. :eek:
Novelties will be available as a separate kit for sure and maybe included in the other kits.
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 17 September 2018, 12:01:25
(https://i.imgur.com/gngqvPa.png) (https://i.imgur.com/gngqvPa.png)
Updated Base kit, cleaned up numpad with novelties removed
(https://i.imgur.com/wnPC03N.png) (https://i.imgur.com/wnPC03N.png)
Updated Bonsai kit, novelties taken out
(https://i.imgur.com/Qzn3xhw.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Qzn3xhw.png)
Novelty kit, new home for the now expanded novelties to make them easily available to R1 owners and other buyers, will be included in the Base kit for R2 automatically
As long as these updates look good then I'm ready to start moving towards GB phase, perhaps get it going before the month is out.
Post by: LeoShi on Mon, 17 September 2018, 12:42:38
Post by: hervuli on Mon, 17 September 2018, 14:40:22
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 20 September 2018, 19:30:01
Post by: Allo on Thu, 20 September 2018, 20:16:52
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 20 September 2018, 23:17:31
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 21 September 2018, 10:06:10
Surprise, GMK being quick on the draw. Got quotes today as well and for the most part they look pretty good. A couple things need more looking at so I'm taking the chance to do that.
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 21 September 2018, 12:04:46
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 21 September 2018, 17:25:22
Yay! I’m happy this is finally happening. More so because zF will be a vendor (hopefully that doenst fall through)
zFrontier are quite excited about the set, so I don't see very much chance at all of it falling through on their end.
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 21 September 2018, 17:56:40
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 27 September 2018, 15:50:31
(https://i.imgur.com/gngqvPa.png) (https://i.imgur.com/gngqvPa.png)
Base kit
(https://i.imgur.com/wd2CxID.png) (https://i.imgur.com/wd2CxID.png)
Spacebars kit
(https://i.imgur.com/3iQ4J68.png) (https://i.imgur.com/3iQ4J68.png)
Novelty kit
(https://i.imgur.com/A1y4l5B.png) (https://i.imgur.com/A1y4l5B.png)
Bonsai kit
These are the kits we're currently planning on running. Monotone mods was dropped because there simply wasn't the interest needed for it to hit MOQ, and because I thought that the price at which I'd have to offer it, due to GMK's prices and the current exchange, was unreasonable for what it is. Since that is gone, the Bonsai kit has also lost its spacebar to cut cost slightly since compatibility with the Monotone kit was the reason it was there.
Unfortunately I couldn't have novelties both included in the Base kit and in their own kit while sharing an MOQ due to how GMK's system works. Because of this, I've kept them separate in order to keep them accessible outside of buying the Base kit. This increases the cost a little due to having their own kit, but I felt it was more important to have them be accessible rather than stuck inside another kit.
No prices just yet since I need to finish nailing them down after the kit adjustments, but I will say that for the most part they should be entirely reasonable based on the keys included and the current state of GMK pricing and EUR->USD conversion. I'm also going to be running this GB different from the previous two I've run. Due to *issues* with invoices being paid on time at the end of the GB period during the previous two, payment will be required when you submit an order. I had been running the pre-order system in order to help people out who couldn't pay until the end of the buy period, but mostly it just caused more issues with invoices being paid in a timely manner. This should also help with order confirmations not being sent from the pre-order plugin I had been using.
Now is a good time to ask any questions you may have.
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:31:45
(https://i.imgur.com/nJccNBN.png) (https://i.imgur.com/nJccNBN.png)
As it says, let me know if you think I missed anything important.
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 30 September 2018, 16:45:24
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 08 November 2018, 13:22:45
Post by: Laughmaster on Wed, 26 December 2018, 15:26:04
Still planning on supporting R2 spacebars/novelty/bonsai if it gets run again. I'm going to swap the alphas with the ones from Camping, so I'll probably post the resulting keebs to reddit when that's done. The alphas looked better than the renders when I saw them at the Atlanta meet up, so I'm expecting it to be good :D
Post by: sdg2416 on Wed, 26 December 2018, 23:14:58
Post by: Rykno on Thu, 27 December 2018, 00:06:03
Any way to swing icon mods? Those would be amazing
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 09 January 2019, 08:41:37
Edit: I'd be in for the novelties as well!
Post by: urbantheii on Wed, 09 January 2019, 09:52:04
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 03 April 2019, 05:15:53
Post by: vicissitude on Wed, 03 April 2019, 05:38:49
Post by: Kenneth888 on Wed, 03 April 2019, 06:59:31
Post by: Rykno on Wed, 03 April 2019, 08:29:19
I'll be in for a full spare set in R2 regardless but I'd love to see icon mods make their way in.
Post by: mta on Wed, 03 April 2019, 09:03:32
Post by: Darknight00z on Sun, 09 June 2019, 14:18:53
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 14 August 2019, 07:47:05
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:04:43
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:15:07
At this point in time I'm still open to kit suggestions and do need some assistance with the ISO keys to make sure they're what they should be.
You're one key short of full UK ISO support: the kit is missing the R3 '@ key. If you can add TWO keys, then you could also add an R3 \| as well and with that you'd have complete UK+US ISO support.
HTH!
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:48:46
At this point in time I'm still open to kit suggestions and do need some assistance with the ISO keys to make sure they're what they should be.
You're one key short of full UK ISO support: the kit is missing the R3 '@ key. If you can add TWO keys, then you could also add an R3 \| as well and with that you'd have complete UK+US ISO support.
HTH!
I'll plan on the '@ key for sure and see what the consensus is on \|.
There's a bit before I'm planning on running this since Camping in Japan is going to happen soon and there's a fair amount of overlap with them being green sets with some sublegends.
Post by: varzaman on Fri, 16 August 2019, 18:55:32
Will you have the sublegends as optional or will it be part of the base kit (or normal legends split into its own group)?At this point in time I'm still open to kit suggestions and do need some assistance with the ISO keys to make sure they're what they should be.
You're one key short of full UK ISO support: the kit is missing the R3 '@ key. If you can add TWO keys, then you could also add an R3 \| as well and with that you'd have complete UK+US ISO support.
HTH!
I'll plan on the '@ key for sure and see what the consensus is on \|.
There's a bit before I'm planning on running this since Camping in Japan is going to happen soon and there's a fair amount of overlap with them being green sets with some sublegends.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 16 August 2019, 19:09:59
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 16 August 2019, 19:17:05
Post by: varzaman on Sat, 17 August 2019, 13:22:41
Right now the kits are planned to be the same as they are a few comments up. I'll get those pics into the op for better visibility.
That is perfect! Can't wait to see them go through!
Post by: MdotMaxson on Tue, 20 August 2019, 07:58:19
Post by: BrambleTheBoar on Mon, 02 September 2019, 23:06:00
Post by: infinitykw on Tue, 03 September 2019, 01:04:43
One of the best green sets in terms of colorway. Thanks for your work.
Post by: infinitykw on Tue, 03 September 2019, 01:05:42
Post by: vicissitude on Tue, 03 September 2019, 06:53:37
Look forward to GB.
Post by: varzaman on Tue, 03 September 2019, 12:03:32
why would you run r2 if r1 barely made MOQ
Well I want it for starters haha.
Post by: Sintpinty on Tue, 03 September 2019, 12:10:42
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 05 September 2019, 03:26:26
I'm probably going to add the R3 `@ key for UK-ISO, but I'm curious if there's enough desire for the R3 \| key for US-ISO to bother adding it.
Also I'm curious for feedback on the current kits to see if there's anything else that should be considered for changing. Pro gamer tip: don't say "Take the numpad out of the base kit".
(https://i.imgur.com/gngqvPa.png) (https://i.imgur.com/gngqvPa.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/wd2CxID.png) (https://i.imgur.com/wd2CxID.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/3iQ4J68.png) (https://i.imgur.com/3iQ4J68.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/A1y4l5B.png) (https://i.imgur.com/A1y4l5B.png)
BTW, considering a possible November GB period depending on if it looks like there's enough interest and the response from GMK is good.
Post by: infinitykw on Thu, 05 September 2019, 04:27:40
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 05 September 2019, 04:42:21
Post by: infinitykw on Mon, 09 September 2019, 00:21:01
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 09 September 2019, 08:24:32
Here have a poll https://www.strawpoll.me/18594702
I'm probably going to add the R3 `@ key for UK-ISO, but I'm curious if there's enough desire for the R3 \| key for US-ISO to bother adding it.
Weeeeeeeell... as the kits stand now, I'm in a bit of a bind: on one hand, I would very much like to see the R3 \| key included (required for US English over ISO or ANSISO), BUT on the other hand, the base kit has every keycap for full UK English over ISO support EXCEPT the R3 '@ keycap, which definitely should be present, given the rest of the UK-specific keycaps is already there. So if it comes to one or the other, you should go with the latter instead of the former (as much as it'd pain me).
On the gripping hand, the however, the Bonsai kit has the Hiragana alphas for just two of the keys required for UK English (R3 #~ and R4 \|), which puts this set in the weird position of having differing support for said national layout on each alpha set (5/6, with 6/6 being discussed, in the base set; 2/6 in the hiragana set); R3 \| isn't present, either.
In my opinion: if nothing else, support for UK English over ISO and/or US English over ISO or ANSISO should be the same in both sets of alphas (I know this might require scaling back support to avoid an overincrease of the total amount of keys).
With that said, there's one other thing that calls my attention in the base kit, which may be a mistake OR may be me being an ingorant dumbass: in R4, there are two Fn keys, 1.5U and 1.25U (okay so far), but they show up again in R3, in those same sizes. I'd understand a 1.75U Fn key (to take the place of Caps Lock) and a 1U Fn key (for some 17-column 79% and 69% layouts) but I don't remember seeing R3 Fn keys in the intermediate sizes before.
Finally, if it can be done, I'd add a couple 1U convex space keys in the spacebars kit (but this falls in the "nice to have" category, IMHO).
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 09 September 2019, 09:19:50
Here have a poll https://www.strawpoll.me/18594702
I'm probably going to add the R3 `@ key for UK-ISO, but I'm curious if there's enough desire for the R3 \| key for US-ISO to bother adding it.
Weeeeeeeell... as the kits stand now, I'm in a bit of a bind: on one hand, I would very much like to see the R3 \| key included (required for US English over ISO or ANSISO), BUT on the other hand, the base kit has every keycap for full UK English over ISO support EXCEPT the R3 '@ keycap, which definitely should be present, given the rest of the UK-specific keycaps is already there. So if it comes to one or the other, you should go with the latter instead of the former (as much as it'd pain me).
Yeah that's the main thought going into it. I'm gonna leave the poll awhile longer to try and get a bit more response, but right now it seems to be leaning more towards US-ISO and "as long as there's a key for the spot".
On the gripping hand, the however, the Bonsai kit has the Hiragana alphas for just two of the keys required for UK English (R3 #~ and R4 \|), which puts this set in the weird position of having differing support for said national layout on each alpha set (5/6, with 6/6 being discussed, in the base set; 2/6 in the hiragana set); R3 \| isn't present, either.
In my opinion: if nothing else, support for UK English over ISO and/or US English over ISO or ANSISO should be the same in both sets of alphas (I know this might require scaling back support to avoid an overincrease of the total amount of keys).
This is another issue. Looking back, I don't think GMK actually has a mold for the `@ key with sublegends, as neither Serika nor Laser had one, with Laser not even giving ISO users any sublegended key for R3 at all. If I didn't want to deal with new molds I'd have to stick with US-ISO in Bonsai, which as you said should probably match the main kit for support. It's a bit of a situation and I don't want to completely kill proper layout support for our poor brexit brethren, so I'll have to see how stuff goes with that.
With that said, there's one other thing that calls my attention in the base kit, which may be a mistake OR may be me being an ingorant dumbass: in R4, there are two Fn keys, 1.5U and 1.25U (okay so far), but they show up again in R3, in those same sizes. I'd understand a 1.75U Fn key (to take the place of Caps Lock) and a 1U Fn key (for some 17-column 79% and 69% layouts) but I don't remember seeing R3 Fn keys in the intermediate sizes before.
Finally, if it can be done, I'd add a couple 1U convex space keys in the spacebars kit (but this falls in the "nice to have" category, IMHO).
The Fns are leftover from R1 for some basic odd-layout support in the absence of a proper 40s kit. I'm really not sure how much people used them. 1.75u and 1u could be a good idea, but not sure how much demand there is.
Taking a look back at the spacebars in general could be a good idea. Iirc it was put together back before we had more convex molds, so it could be good to update it to the "modern standards".
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 09 September 2019, 09:36:28
On the gripping hand, the however, the Bonsai kit has the Hiragana alphas for just two of the keys required for UK English (R3 #~ and R4 \|), which puts this set in the weird position of having differing support for said national layout on each alpha set (5/6, with 6/6 being discussed, in the base set; 2/6 in the hiragana set); R3 \| isn't present, either.
In my opinion: if nothing else, support for UK English over ISO and/or US English over ISO or ANSISO should be the same in both sets of alphas (I know this might require scaling back support to avoid an overincrease of the total amount of keys).
This is another issue. Looking back, I don't think GMK actually has a mold for the `@ key with sublegends, as neither Serika nor Laser had one, with Laser not even giving ISO users any sublegended key for R3 at all. If I didn't want to deal with new molds I'd have to stick with US-ISO in Bonsai, which as you said should probably match the main kit for support. It's a bit of a situation and I don't want to completely kill proper layout support for our poor brexit brethren, so I'll have to see how stuff goes with that.
If the necessary molds don't exist, then stuff gets more complicated, indeed.
Perhaps a good compromise, in that case, would be going with full US English over ISO or ANSISO plus UK English over ISO support in the base set and full US English over ISO or ANSISO support in the Bonsai set without any UK English-specific keys at all (or perhaps not - I've been told that some people in Europe have come to accept "Atlantis ISO" out of necessity, and as such, would accept partial UK English over ISO support in the Bonsai set).
I'd love to know exactly which molds with Hiragana do exist and which ones don't, so this issue can be reliable decided upon. (what if the R4 <> key with Hiragana exists, too? THAT would complicate matters even further ;D )
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 09 September 2019, 12:39:27
I do think I may just do the full US and UK ISO keys in the base since it's adding only two keys at this point to keep compatibility quite high.
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 10 September 2019, 13:26:13
Post by: depletedvespene on Tue, 10 September 2019, 13:35:34
While I'm thinking of it: Thoughts on an extra Tab key to basically give you two boards worth of mods? Seems like a few sets have done that and I just remembered.
If you do add a second Tab key, you should add a second R1 Home key as well. As the base kit stands now, that's all that would be needed for the mods of a TKL/fullsize plus a 60% OR 65% (given there's already two sets of arrows).
Post by: Laughmaster on Tue, 10 September 2019, 14:22:24
While I'm thinking of it: Thoughts on an extra Tab key to basically give you two boards worth of mods? Seems like a few sets have done that and I just remembered.I personally wouldn't use it, but I don't think it's a bad idea. Especially since the mods from Coniferous will match GMK Dark (N9 base color).
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 10 September 2019, 14:48:30
While I'm thinking of it: Thoughts on an extra Tab key to basically give you two boards worth of mods? Seems like a few sets have done that and I just remembered.I personally wouldn't use it, but I don't think it's a bad idea. Especially since the mods from Coniferous will match GMK Dark (N9 base color).
Yeh, largely the idea is so that such a large number of extra mods won't just be sitting in a tray for those who can use them, such as mixing other sets or with the extra Bonsai alphas even. As depletedvespene says, you can get multiple layout combos from base + alphas that way, depending on what the exact layout is.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 20 September 2019, 03:14:45
https://www.strawpoll.me/18667361
Post by: evilpigkiller on Sat, 21 September 2019, 04:06:04
Post by: zqs1qiwan on Sat, 21 September 2019, 19:25:24
Post by: higgga on Sun, 29 September 2019, 17:27:09
And I think a 2nd tab would be great.
Post by: rmendis on Sun, 06 October 2019, 00:10:42
Given the current saturation of GMK sets, I'm running another poll to gauge overall interest in the set. I really want to run it, but I'm also really not at all sure about its chances in the current GMK "climate". I figure if there seems enough interest to hit MOQ I'll move more towards getting it ready, little interest and I'll let it simmer a bit behind the scenes before trying to get it out.
https://www.strawpoll.me/18667361
The demand for GMK sets seems pretty high right now. I'd be surprised if this didn't do well
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Post by: Itzbryan55 on Thu, 30 July 2020, 02:38:27
Any update for this？R2 failed to hit MOQ when he ran it and there hasn't been any confirmation of a future run since