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Offline Joey Quinn

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Flipped Space
« on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 01:03:40 »
So after 2+ years of flipping my spacebars I tried typing on a board without a flipped space and it feels terrible, I hit right between B & M and directly on the leading edge of the spacebar's top surface. I'm sure my exact space hit placement has changed a bit after flipping but at this point I don't think I could go back.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 07:37:21 »
I hate flipped spacebars. When I flip my spacebar it feels like I have to put my wrists at an upward angle.


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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 08:05:47 »
It depends on the angle of the keyboard and how you're sitting on the chair. I have my work board flipped, but one day I raised my seat really high and oddly found the space bar too angled. So I flipped it back to normal and it felt...great.

Then I lowered my seat again and re-flipped the bar.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 09:12:52 »
I tried flipping mine for a day and I just couldn't stand it. Like Encabulator, I felt I had to change my typing posture and it felt very unnatural and annoying.

From the people I know that like flipped spacebars, you either just like it or you don't.
When you are dead, you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 09:22:37 »
I know your pain Joey.

I felt very comfortable typing on a flipped spacebar + wrist rest with the Varmilo and the Filco but I can't flip the spacebar of the G80.
Problem is, I am now used to hit the spacebar with my thumb's knuckle with an oblique, downward stroke so my thumbs hurt a bit after prolonged typing with the G80. Wish I could flip the damn spacebar. I tried raising the wrist rest but it doesn't help.  :(
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 10:13:07 »
I always use my left thumb for the spacebar. I found out this idea of flipping the spacebar some months ago. At first I wasn't aware of what what the purpose of doing this, until I tried. Now, with my Leopold FC980M using a flipped spacebar feels so much more natural and comfortable. It may look weird on the keyboard, but it feels right. It's such a simple and brilliant idea!

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 14:10:20 »
for me it depends mainly on my wrist.
When lifted of the table or with a wristrest the normal oriantation works great.
With the wrist on the table flipped is more comfortable.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 23:53:10 »
I am now used to hit the spacebar with my thumb's knuckle with an oblique, downward stroke

Sounds very similar to how I hit space

for me it depends mainly on my wrist.
When lifted of the table or with a wristrest the normal oriantation works great.
With the wrist on the table flipped is more comfortable.

No wrist rest for sure makes the difference between flipped and not flipped more obvious but even with a wrist rest I still don't like not flipped.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 19 May 2017, 07:24:19 »
I keep my wrists up so I keep the bar in normal orientation.  Though even if I bent my wrists, I'd still use normal because flipped bars look so, so awful.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 19 May 2017, 07:29:13 »
Flipped spacebars are agaisnt the rules and keyboard police will arrest you for doing it.
Be warned.

I find actually typing with a flipped bar to be kinda off putting and prefer to type with it the right way.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 19 May 2017, 07:31:57 »
I keep my wrists up so I keep the bar in normal orientation.  Though even if I bent my wrists, I'd still use normal because flipped bars look so, so awful.

You prefer uncomfortable typing to the aesthetic of a flipped spacebar?
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 19 May 2017, 07:44:42 »
I tried flipping mine for a day and I just couldn't stand it. Like Encabulator, I felt I had to change my typing posture and it felt very unnatural and annoying.

From the people I know that like flipped spacebars, you either just like it or you don't.

Yup same here. I can't stand the feeling of my spacebar being flipped. It throws off all of my typing.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 19 May 2017, 08:54:13 »
I keep my wrists up so I keep the bar in normal orientation.  Though even if I bent my wrists, I'd still use normal because flipped bars look so, so awful.

You prefer uncomfortable typing to the aesthetic of a flipped spacebar?

TBH I don't find a normal bar uncomfortable even when I try typing with my wrists bent.  Though maybe people are typing with even worse posture than I assume or I just tap the bar more lightly than others or something.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 21 May 2017, 11:47:39 »
If you need to flip your spacebar then you need to review your position/ergonomics in front of your desk.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 01:22:49 »
If you need to flip your spacebar then you need to review your position/ergonomics in front of your desk.

Have any facts to back this up?

I use 3 different desks with 3 different chairs and the height difference changes from desk to desk, I always prefer a flipped space.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 06:06:19 »
If you need to flip your spacebar then you need to review your position/ergonomics in front of your desk.

Have any facts to back this up?

I use 3 different desks with 3 different chairs and the height difference changes from desk to desk, I always prefer a flipped space.
What facts? It's basic ergonomics. You should be positioned relative to your desk so that your elbows form a 90° angle, your forearms and wrists should be strait and your hands should hover above the keyboard (and a wrist-rest is for resting the palm of your hands when your are not typing). All in a relaxed position. Unless one has some kind of deformity, in this position, your thumbs should fall down on the top of the space bar — not on the edge/angle. If so, you are doing it wrong.

Not saying it is your case; there might be something else in your setup(s) that could be a potential issue, but for instance a lot of people I see typing with inverted spacebars tend to have their wrists at an angle, wresting them on the desk while typing. That's asking for trouble in the long run if you spend a lot of time in front of the computer.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 08:09:46 »
What facts? It's basic ergonomics. You should be positioned relative to your desk so that your elbows form a 90° angle, your forearms and wrists should be strait and your hands should hover above the keyboard (and a wrist-rest is for resting the palm of your hands when your are not typing). All in a relaxed position. Unless one has some kind of deformity, in this position, your thumbs should fall down on the top of the space bar — not on the edge/angle. If so, you are doing it wrong.
Then I am doing it wrong because my goodness keeping my arms at 90° angle with forearms and wrists straight for 4+ hours in front of my computer HURTS AS F*. When I'm transcribing lessons for example I'm constantly retreating (<-there is be a better word for this but i can't recall right now) my forearms to my chest and rubbing my wrists every time the speaker pauses or stammers. At a 90° angle with straight forearms and wrists... Man, seriously, try to keep that position for hours on end and report back and if you don't feel pain please tell me what's your magic. It hurts as all f***s.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 08:45:10 »
Done it for many years without pain. And that is the important point — if it hurts, then something is wrong.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 13:17:45 »
What facts? It's basic ergonomics. You should be positioned relative to your desk so that your elbows form a 90° angle, your forearms and wrists should be strait and your hands should hover above the keyboard (and a wrist-rest is for resting the palm of your hands when your are not typing). All in a relaxed position. Unless one has some kind of deformity, in this position, your thumbs should fall down on the top of the space bar — not on the edge/angle. If so, you are doing it wrong.

I still think it has more to do with how you hit space, my typing posture is decently similar to what you describe (my wrists aren't angled when I type). If you hit space straight down regular will be your choice, if you more slide your thumb off space to actuate it flipped will feel better.

For example, keysets with a flatter space like DSA, SA, or the occasional weird vintage profile don't bother me at all but I really only use Cherry profile or the OEM HHKB profile so I always flip.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 07:55:46 »
Done it for many years without pain. And that is the important point — if it hurts, then something is wrong.

I only flipped space bars like 6 months ago, I mostly use DSA/XDA sets so with those there's no flipping obviously, though when I do use GMK/SA I rather have them flipped - I have no issue/pain/etc having them on the right away, I've used keyboards for 6-12 hours a day for decades now but it does feel much more natural to have it flipped. Go figure. Might as well do it, I see no problem in doing so personally.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 21:50:44 »
I remain unable to flip the space bar on this keyboard.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 24 May 2017, 17:55:11 »
Maybe you should ditch the ancient IBM.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 25 May 2017, 21:57:31 »
Maybe you should ditch the ancient IBM.

Nope.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 25 May 2017, 22:07:45 »
Maybe you should ditch the ancient IBM.

Nope.

When I get a 4704 I'll figure out a way to flip the space.  :p
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 22:16:30 »
Maybe you should ditch the ancient IBM.

Nope.

When I get a 4704 I'll figure out a way to flip the space.  :p

Why?
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:05:32 »
I tried to do flip space bar and it is just so uncomfortable for me. I can not live with it.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:07:33 »
I tried to do flip space bar and it is just so uncomfortable for me. I can not live with it.

Same 100%. Not to mention I also think it looks really bad.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:11:19 »
When I get a 4704 I'll figure out a way to flip the space.  :p

Why?

Wait, is the 4704 space symmetrical? I guess I never noticed how flat it looks, there may be no need to flip it.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 05 June 2017, 05:04:48 »
When I get a 4704 I'll figure out a way to flip the space.  :p

Why?

Wait, is the 4704 space symmetrical? I guess I never noticed how flat it looks, there may be no need to flip it.

There is never any need to flip any space bar.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 05 June 2017, 05:15:01 »
Wait, is the 4704 space symmetrical? I guess I never noticed how flat it looks, there may be no need to flip it.

There is never any need to flip any space bar.

People in the 1980s, in general, were clearly just better than we are now in every measurable way.

The dumber the reason the more it must be done

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 05 June 2017, 07:06:47 »
During my time here I've heard of flipped spacebars before so I decided to try it.
I just couldn't get used to it. I don't know if many many years of typing with a regular spacebar has ruined it for me. I simply couldn't get comfortable with it and I was making mistakes.
Might have something to do with my awful posture or just the way that I type. I'd probably need someone way more knowledgeable than me looking at me type so he could correct all the mistakes I was making. :p

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 05 June 2017, 21:54:24 »
During my time here I've heard of flipped spacebars before so I decided to try it.
I just couldn't get used to it. I don't know if many many years of typing with a regular spacebar has ruined it for me. I simply couldn't get comfortable with it and I was making mistakes.
Might have something to do with my awful posture or just the way that I type. I'd probably need someone way more knowledgeable than me looking at me type so he could correct all the mistakes I was making. :p

Or maybe it's because you are a normal person, and flipped space bars are totally deviant.
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« Reply #32 on: Mon, 05 June 2017, 23:32:18 »
I had never tried it until recently, and now I use mine flipped too.  I just like the way my thumb hits the key much better.

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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 06 June 2017, 05:35:01 »
I had never tried it until recently, and now I use mine flipped too.  I just like the way my thumb hits the key much better.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 06 June 2017, 07:51:26 »
During my time here I've heard of flipped spacebars before so I decided to try it.
I just couldn't get used to it. I don't know if many many years of typing with a regular spacebar has ruined it for me. I simply couldn't get comfortable with it and I was making mistakes.
Might have something to do with my awful posture or just the way that I type. I'd probably need someone way more knowledgeable than me looking at me type so he could correct all the mistakes I was making. :p

Or maybe it's because you are a normal person, and flipped space bars are totally deviant.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 06 June 2017, 07:57:16 »
Recently converted everyone in my office that uses a mech to flipped, muahahahaha

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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 06 June 2017, 08:02:39 »
Recently converted everyone in my office that uses a mech to flipped, muahahahaha

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 06 June 2017, 09:57:13 »
I like my space-bar flipped just because i feel like i need to purposefully  click it not just barely press it and get more spaces then i need.

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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 06 June 2017, 21:59:25 »
So these deviants who flip their space bars - do you flip the rest of the bottom row too?  If not, have you been tempted to?
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 07 June 2017, 13:21:19 »
So these deviants who flip their space bars - do you flip the rest of the bottom row too?  If not, have you been tempted to?

I don't but that's because only my thumb hits at an angle where flipping makes it more comfortable to use, if space wasn't the only key I hit with my thumb then maybe I'd try flipping other keys.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 07 June 2017, 13:26:21 »
So these deviants who flip their space bars - do you flip the rest of the bottom row too?  If not, have you been tempted to?
On my Gon HHKB I have flipped the spacebar as well as the two 1.5u keys directly next to it. I haven't flipped the two 1u keys on the far ends of the bottom row though. Since I hit those keys with my pinky and not my thumbs, it just doesn't make sense to flip them.

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« Reply #41 on: Wed, 07 June 2017, 22:30:22 »
Interesting responses - thanks - which lead me to wonder if it is shape of thumb or dexterity of thumb movement that makes an unflipped space bar uncomfortable for a small percentage of users.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 27 June 2017, 01:58:13 »
I personally have been typing on flipped space for the past two and a half years and I cant even use a normal  keyboard now, Same with swapped Backspace/Backslash.
I feel like an ape when I use a friends keyboard that doesnt have both of these.

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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 27 June 2017, 22:45:31 »
I feel like an ape when I use a friends keyboard that doesnt have both of these.

How I feel whenever I use qwerty now  :blank:
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 27 June 2017, 22:59:05 »
How I feel whenever I use qwerty now  :blank:
Yeah I know that feel. Such a pain, but I'll never switch back.

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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 27 June 2017, 23:03:39 »
How I feel whenever I use qwerty now  :blank:
Yeah I know that feel. Such a pain, but I'll never switch back.

Oh yeah, I'll never switch back

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 27 June 2017, 23:17:08 »
Just dropping in this thread to say that I only use flipped space anymore. It's so much more comfortable than unflipped.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 01 July 2017, 15:40:51 »
I too am a flipper but I haven't tried yet on the VE.A yet. At work currently using dsa so no flipping needed. Maybe I'm an impostor?

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #48 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 00:31:12 »
flipped is best

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 05:02:58 »
I don't like a flipped _spacebar_ but flip keys like modifiers (which may include the key mapped to "space" in the end).


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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #50 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 05:46:05 »
I tried flipping and it felt ridiculous.  I presume it must have something to do with wrist position on the desk?

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #51 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 06:50:53 »
I tried it too, because i thought that it would feel better. Man was i wrong.
I think that it could be nice with keyboards that have a case with no high border around the keys (like the one on davkols picture) in case you rest your palms while typing.
However mine has a higher border and when i use my spacebar flipped while resting my palms, my thumbs keep hitting the edge of the board and that's way more annoying.
With hovering hands and flipped spacebar the angle didn't feel great either.
 

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 05 July 2017, 11:25:18 »
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #53 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 09:49:55 »
Flipped spacebar makes sense due to hitting it with your thumbs, plus no legend.  I've seen a few people flip bottom row modifiers which seems silly.

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« Reply #54 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 21:43:27 »
Flipped spacebar makes sense due to hitting it with your thumbs, plus no legend.  I've seen a few people flip bottom row modifiers which seems silly.

I hit a non-flipped space bar with my thumb all day without any issues.
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« Reply #55 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 22:39:15 »
Flipped spacebar makes sense due to hitting it with your thumbs, plus no legend.  I've seen a few people flip bottom row modifiers which seems silly.

I hit a non-flipped space bar with my thumb all day without any issues.

Your thumbs may be broken
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 23:41:13 »
I can understand why people want to flip the space bar on Topre profile or Signature Plastics' DCS profile because of the sharp front edge of those space bars... but Cherry profile? Really?

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« Reply #57 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 22:12:54 »
Flipped spacebar makes sense due to hitting it with your thumbs, plus no legend.  I've seen a few people flip bottom row modifiers which seems silly.

I hit a non-flipped space bar with my thumb all day without any issues.

Your thumbs may be broken

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 01:17:20 »
I love flipped space on my pok3r but it just doesn't work on my filco.
Do I have to rearrange the entire costar stabilizer to get it to work?

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 01:30:38 »
flipped. It's the only way to fly.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 28 July 2017, 17:49:09 »
Go big or go home I always say, so I flipped my whole keyboard upside down to give it a try. But now my thumbs hit numbers instead of spaces..

I'm so confused...

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 31 July 2017, 21:51:36 »
I love flipped space on my pok3r but it just doesn't work on my filco.
Do I have to rearrange the entire costar stabilizer to get it to work?

If you REALLY want to, you'll have to rotate the stabiliser inserts under the space bar 180 degrees.

If you REALLY want to.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 31 July 2017, 23:14:03 »
I love flipped space on my pok3r but it just doesn't work on my filco.
Do I have to rearrange the entire costar stabilizer to get it to work?

If you REALLY want to, you'll have to rotate the stabiliser inserts under the space bar 180 degrees.

If you REALLY want to.

Hmm bar still catches on the switch housing, does THAT need to be flipped around as well?
How deep does flipception go?

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 31 July 2017, 23:59:12 »
no need to flip the space on DSA
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #64 on: Tue, 01 August 2017, 21:47:06 »
I love flipped space on my pok3r but it just doesn't work on my filco.
Do I have to rearrange the entire costar stabilizer to get it to work?

If you REALLY want to, you'll have to rotate the stabiliser inserts under the space bar 180 degrees.

If you REALLY want to.

Hmm bar still catches on the switch housing, does THAT need to be flipped around as well?
How deep does flipception go?

Just don't flip - keep things as the manufacturer intended :p
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #65 on: Tue, 01 August 2017, 22:14:00 »
I just think flipped spacebar looks worse and keyboards are all about aesthetic imo

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Flipped Space
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 01 August 2017, 22:35:15 »
I just think flipped spacebar looks worse and keyboards are all about aesthetic imo
I can't use my keyboard if it doesn't look nice, it's in front of me all day. 75% of keyboards for me is finding the prettiest one.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #67 on: Thu, 17 August 2017, 11:22:25 »
I personally don't like it. I tried it and didn't like how my thumb couldn't feel for the edge to rest on. Funny enough, I'm guessing this is why people flip it.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #68 on: Thu, 17 August 2017, 12:49:46 »
My thumb feels as if it's going to slip off the spacebar when it's flipped. The edge gives it a place to rest.

When playing games, I especially rely on the edge of the spacebar to catch my thumb because I usually flick the spacebar when jumping or climbing in game rather than pressing it. I've actually found DSA to be a bit difficult to use for games because of this.


And it does look ugly to me when it's flipped.  :-X
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #69 on: Fri, 18 August 2017, 14:30:26 »
PSA: NON FLIPPED SPACEBARS WILL BE ERADICATED SOON

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 18 August 2017, 15:29:22 »
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 22 August 2017, 21:46:02 »
PSA: NON FLIPPED SPACEBARS WILL BE ERADICATED SOON

I am disturbed by your lack of non-flipped space bars.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #72 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 02:52:09 »
So after 2+ years of flipping my spacebars I tried typing on a board without a flipped space and it feels terrible, I hit right between B & M and directly on the leading edge of the spacebar's top surface. I'm sure my exact space hit placement has changed a bit after flipping but at this point I don't think I could go back.

This happened to me after just a few days of flipped spacebardom. That sharp edge is just unbearable!
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #73 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 22:03:23 »
So after 2+ years of flipping my spacebars I tried typing on a board without a flipped space and it feels terrible, I hit right between B & M and directly on the leading edge of the spacebar's top surface. I'm sure my exact space hit placement has changed a bit after flipping but at this point I don't think I could go back.

This happened to me after just a few days of flipped spacebardom. That sharp edge is just unbearable!

What is all this talk about sharp edges?

Space bar has same profile as Ctrl/Win/Alt/Menu - don't you find they have "sharp edges" too?
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #74 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 22:35:23 »
So after 2+ years of flipping my spacebars I tried typing on a board without a flipped space and it feels terrible, I hit right between B & M and directly on the leading edge of the spacebar's top surface. I'm sure my exact space hit placement has changed a bit after flipping but at this point I don't think I could go back.

This happened to me after just a few days of flipped spacebardom. That sharp edge is just unbearable!

What is all this talk about sharp edges?

Space bar has same profile as Ctrl/Win/Alt/Menu - don't you find they have "sharp edges" too?

You press them differently. It's not literally every single word.

This is my only problem with SA too. You can't flip that ****. It literally hurts to type on. :(
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 02:05:00 »
What is all this talk about sharp edges?

Space bar has same profile as Ctrl/Win/Alt/Menu - don't you find they have "sharp edges" too?

I don't hit those keys with my thumb  :p
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 21:55:29 »
What is all this talk about sharp edges?

Space bar has same profile as Ctrl/Win/Alt/Menu - don't you find they have "sharp edges" too?

I don't hit those keys with my thumb  :p

I do!  With either thumb, depending on which side of the keyboard.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 12 September 2017, 10:45:55 »
I hit left control with my thumb but at a completely different angle (my control is immediately left of my spacebar)
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 12 September 2017, 21:56:07 »
I hit left control with my thumb but at a completely different angle (my control is immediately left of my spacebar)

Sounds like a non-standard layout.

I probably hit Ctrl and Alt more edge on with a thumb while the rest of my hand (either hand, depending on the side of the keyboard) is stretching across the keyboard, in contradistinction to space which I tend to hit more on the top flat surface about 3/4 to the right.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #79 on: Thu, 14 September 2017, 05:39:49 »
I was trained to touch-type using a very old mechanical typewriter. You have to slam the keys really fast and hard so that the letter shaped lever press against the ribbon with enough force. So it really doesn't make any sense for me to flip the spacebar, so that your thumbs can rest comfortably on it. When I actually type, NONE of my fingers are resting on the keycaps, they all hover above the keycaps.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #80 on: Fri, 15 September 2017, 15:59:24 »
I can't do flipped mainly because it just looks awful ._.

Relatively indifferent to the feel. I can somewhat understand why people like a flipped space bar (more of your finger hits more of the top surface area), but I am inclined to believe that incorrect typing posture would lead to the use of a flipped space bar. Ultimately, to each their own though. I won't go so far as to say there is a 'right' or 'wrong', either.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 15 September 2017, 18:19:41 »
It's not really about your typing posture IMO, more about what angle you like to keep your thumb at. Higher up and you'd have no problems, but lower down where I like it and you start hitting the corner even if your hands are properly elevated. These effects would be exacerbated by a poor typing posture however.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #82 on: Sun, 17 September 2017, 16:12:59 »
Feels great to me, It's all personal preference.  :thumb:

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