Author Topic: [opensource] GH80-3000 | Cherry G80-3000 replica (Read 146384 times)

pngu · « **Reply #50 on:** Sat, 31 March 2018, 03:08:35 »

JLCPCB are ridiculous. I placed the order in the evening of March 23rd and it arrived on Wednesday. That's 4 days from China, including manufacturing and shipping for a total of 42$ for 5 PCBs delivered! Everything was packaged professionally and arrived in good condition as far as I can tell. Looks as well-made as any mass-produced PCB I've seen so far.

Unfortunately some muppet with the German customs office decided it'd be appropriate to charge 20€ customs on a 30$ shipment (the invoice wasn't accessible without opening the foil wrapping and there was no declaration of value on the outside, so I assume they estimated it after X-Raying and going like "Whoa this is one huge chunk of Elektronik! Verboten!" or something). I'll look into getting some of that back.

Now to wait for the rest of the components, yay. JLCPCB Y U SO FAST?!

TalkingTree · « **Reply #51 on:** Sat, 31 March 2018, 03:36:56 »

Quote from: pngu on Sat, 31 March 2018, 03:08:35

JLCPCB are ridiculous. I placed the order in the evening of March 23rd and it arrived on Wednesday. That's 4 days from China, including manufacturing and shipping for a total of 42$ for 5 PCBs delivered! Everything was packaged professionally and arrived in good condition as far as I can tell. Looks as well-made as any mass-produced PCB I've seen so far.

They have improved then. Usually four days was the manufacturing time alone and then they shipped. Nonetheless one would receive PCBs within one week, or so, from payment.

Quote from: pngu on Sat, 31 March 2018, 03:08:35

Unfortunately some muppet with the German customs office decided it'd be appropriate to charge 20€ customs on a 30$ shipment (the invoice wasn't accessible without opening the foil wrapping and there was no declaration of value on the outside, so I assume they estimated it after X-Raying and going like "Whoa this is one huge chunk of Elektronik! Verboten!" or something). I'll look into getting some of that back.

Es tut mir leid. Unless they removed the option, you could ask them for the declared value of goods at the checkout. I usually go for USD 20,00 and haven't paid customs duties ever.

Quote from: pngu on Sat, 31 March 2018, 03:08:35

Now to wait for the rest of the components

For future memory, you can order components at LCSC and have them shipped along with your PCB for free (meaning that you pay solely for the PCB shipment).
Now lay back, relax and take your time. You have 117 diodes to solder which could compromise your mental health. I speak from personal experience.

TalkingTree · « **Reply #52 on:** Sun, 01 April 2018, 13:44:35 »

I can confirm this PCB fitting into a G80-1192 case. Here's some pictures.

TalkingTree · « **Reply #53 on:** Tue, 10 April 2018, 03:03:32 »

EasyAVR now officially supports this board. Make sure you're running at least v3.00.00 beta.4.
Big thanks to metalliqaz.

IanFist · « **Reply #54 on:** Tue, 17 April 2018, 01:42:19 »

TalkingTree, thank you for making this PCB and making it open source. I've wanted a full size custom based on QMK for a while now and this has inspired me to get into keyboard diy.
It will be a while before I can finish this but I will post pictures when it is done.

pngu, since you are also in Germany are you interested in selling two PCBs from your order? I do not need 5 PCBs now and would rather not have them lying around.

pngu · « **Reply #55 on:** Tue, 17 April 2018, 04:29:59 »

Quote from: IanFist on Tue, 17 April 2018, 01:42:19

pngu, since you are also in Germany are you interested in selling two PCBs from your order? I do not need 5 PCBs now and would rather not have them lying around.

Hi Ian!

I'm still waiting for the slow boat on the parts that LCSC didn't have stock for, I just checked the tracking and the latest info shown is the parts being handed over to the airline at the 4th of April. As I mentioned in this thread this will be my first time doing surface mount soldering, so I can't really promise anything right now (I feel like selling an untested assortment of stuff is not something I'd want to do); I'll get in touch with you when the rest of the components are here and I turned them into a working board.

If you want this ASAP it's best to order the raw PCBs and parts yourself, JLCPCB are fast and without checking I'm fairly certain you can source the SMD components from Reichelt. I've already been approached by another person who'd like one of these and I told them pretty much the same thing, you'd surely find a way of getting rid of your spares if you decide to make 5 boards.

Giorgio · « **Reply #56 on:** Fri, 20 April 2018, 00:40:16 »

We really need a group buy for this. Is anyone willing to start it?

IanFist · « **Reply #57 on:** Fri, 20 April 2018, 15:08:13 »

Hey pngu,
I meant only the raw PCBS. I didn't think you'd interested in selling full boards

I only want to make two and buy the parts for two as thats really all I need right now and if I had 5 PCBs I would feel bad not to finish them all.
For now I've gathered some G81-3000 To scavenge for cases and keycaps. I am just not sure yet if I want to try and also add a plate.

Giorgio, I would buy at least two but I do not want to handle a GB since I am new to this community.

pngu · « **Reply #58 on:** Sat, 21 April 2018, 10:54:45 »

@Ian: Sorry but I have components for 5 PCBs and plan to assemble them, else I would be kind of stuck in the opposite of your situation

@TalkingTree: There is an issue with the parts numbers in your post, you list both 22Ohm Resistors and 22pF capacitors with the same numbers. Please update it to save idiots like me from missing parts when ordering (I have the 22pF but no resistors, I'm not quite sure what I did when I ordered but I guess I cancelled the backorder on the resistors because of the 2 month restocking time and then went through the parts numbers in my order and in your post side by side and got the missing components, and "CL21C220JBANNNC" "Resistors" were not missing

). The BOM on EasyEDA is correct though.

TalkingTree · « **Reply #59 on:** Sat, 21 April 2018, 11:16:32 »

Quote from: pngu on Sat, 21 April 2018, 10:54:45

There is an issue with the parts numbers in your post, you list both 22Ohm Resistors and 22pF capacitors with the same numbers.

Bad bad me, the part number is correct for capacitors, hopefully no one is short on 22 ohm resistors.
I actually had the same mistake on the other projects as well.
Thanks a lot for the heads up pngu.

pngu · « **Reply #60 on:** Sat, 21 April 2018, 12:07:24 »

Well anyone who knew what they were doing would have tripped on that, I didn't.

Good news is that SMD soldering really isn't quite as hard as I originally thought it to be, just need some flux, a pair of tweezers and moderately steady hands, so this project is definitely more accessible than it might seem. The crystal was probably the trickiest part because my 1mm pointy tip couldn't really reach the pads anymore once it was on there, I'll look into getting some finer tips and a chisel one for my iron.

Thanks for your work, got the resistors in the mail and will report back

TalkingTree · « **Reply #61 on:** Sat, 21 April 2018, 12:11:06 »

I'm looking forward to your projects. Thanks for giving this PCB a shot.

. · « **Reply #62 on:** Tue, 24 April 2018, 15:19:11 »

Quote from: IanFist on Fri, 20 April 2018, 15:08:13

Hey pngu,
I meant only the raw PCBS. I didn't think you'd interested in selling full boards

I only want to make two and buy the parts for two as thats really all I need right now and if I had 5 PCBs I would feel bad not to finish them all.
For now I've gathered some G81-3000 To scavenge for cases and keycaps. I am just not sure yet if I want to try and also add a plate.

Giorgio, I would buy at least two but I do not want to handle a GB since I am new to this community.

I might buy some pcb's soon and I obviously don't need 5 either. Do you want two of them, unassembled?

Edit: all out, everything sold.

befbef · « **Reply #63 on:** Wed, 02 May 2018, 17:53:55 »

I would be interested in one

pngu · « **Reply #64 on:** Thu, 07 June 2018, 04:28:55 »

As some people have been asking I'd like to plug myself in here and note that I have 3 assembled PCBs for sale. You can PM me for a link or search r/mechmarket yourselves. If it's inappropriate to post this, let me know and I'll delete this post.

@TalkingTree: This is a dumb question, sorry, but I can choose resistors for the LEDs by plugging their color and 5V into one of those online calculators, right? I need to find a WKL black case, once that's done I can build one of these beauties and share pics

Giorgio · « **Reply #65 on:** Thu, 07 June 2018, 04:40:38 »

Quote from: pngu on Thu, 07 June 2018, 04:28:55

As some people have been asking I'd like to plug myself in here and note that I have 3 assembled PCBs for sale. You can PM me for a link or search r/mechmarket yourselves. If it's inappropriate to post this, let me know and I'll delete this post.

@TalkingTree: This is a dumb question, sorry, but I can choose resistors for the LEDs by plugging their color and 5V into one of those online calculators, right? I need to find a WKL black case, once that's done I can build one of these beauties and share pics

What do you mean by assembled? I don't know how to solder - yet - so I can probably just solder the switches by myself.

pngu · « **Reply #66 on:** Thu, 07 June 2018, 04:47:51 »

Quote from: Giorgio on Thu, 07 June 2018, 04:40:38

What do you mean by assembled? I don't know how to solder - yet - so I can probably just solder the switches by myself.

Hey Giorgio,

assembled means it has all the SMD components installed and just needs switches to become a keyboard. You'd need to solder 3 resistors and LEDs too if you want indicators.

TalkingTree · « **Reply #67 on:** Thu, 07 June 2018, 05:16:50 »

Quote from: pngu on Thu, 07 June 2018, 04:28:55

I can choose resistors for the LEDs by plugging their color and 5V into one of those online calculators, right?

Those calculators, in my experience, give you the maximum value for the LED not to burn out immediately, in other words, they end up being blinding.
What colours are you using?

Giorgio · « **Reply #68 on:** Thu, 07 June 2018, 05:31:23 »

Quote from: pngu on Thu, 07 June 2018, 04:47:51

Quote from: Giorgio on Thu, 07 June 2018, 04:40:38
What do you mean by assembled? I don't know how to solder - yet - so I can probably just solder the switches by myself.

Hey Giorgio,

assembled means it has all the SMD components installed and just needs switches to become a keyboard. You'd need to solder 3 resistors and LEDs too if you want indicators.

Thanks you for your explanation, what's your asking price for the pcb, plus soldering for 3 resistors and leds?

pngu · « **Reply #69 on:** Thu, 07 June 2018, 07:25:02 »

Quote from: TalkingTree on Thu, 07 June 2018, 05:16:50

Those calculators, in my experience, give you the maximum value for the LED not to burn out immediately, in other words, they end up being blinding.
What colours are you using?

I wanted to use white and have 22Ohm and 1kOhm resistors at hand, I'm pretty sure they're too little and too much respectively, eh? I didn't think this through when ordering parts.

Quote from: Giorgio on Thu, 07 June 2018, 05:31:23

what's your asking price for the pcb, plus soldering for 3 resistors and leds?

I'm sending you a PM, let's not clutter this thread with sales discussions.

TalkingTree · « **Reply #70 on:** Thu, 07 June 2018, 11:06:17 »

Quote from: pngu on Thu, 07 June 2018, 07:25:02

I wanted to use white and have 22Ohm and 1kOhm resistors at hand, I'm pretty sure they're too little and too much respectively,

White LEDs and 1 kOhm resistors might work.

IanFist · « **Reply #71 on:** Sat, 23 June 2018, 04:45:41 »

Hi,
I have two of your pcbs now from maartenwut and I am very exited about building the first board this weekend.

I got a few G80/G81 cases in preparation but most of them won't fit as they have bigger alignment poles.

So I am assuming these pcbs do only fit older winkeyless cases. The deskthority wiki states that the internals were reworked then.

TalkingTree · « **Reply #72 on:** Sat, 23 June 2018, 05:03:53 »

Quote from: IanFist on Sat, 23 June 2018, 04:45:41

I got a few G80/G81 cases in preparation but most of them won't fit as they have bigger alignment poles.

So I am assuming these pcbs do only fit older winkeyless cases.

I have a winkey case and the board fits. Could you please show some pictures?

IanFist · « **Reply #73 on:** Sat, 23 June 2018, 05:29:52 »

Oh my bad, your board in the first post is a winky one.
Must be change later then.

This is a G80-3000-LQCDE where you can see the big alignment poles and corresponding holes in the top half
I don't know when it was produced but the windows keys suggest in windows 7 lifetime.

I have two G81 from different years that are the same internally.

TalkingTree · « **Reply #74 on:** Sat, 23 June 2018, 05:54:20 »

I've never come across such board. Do the PCB holes align to the props at least?

IanFist · « **Reply #75 on:** Sat, 23 June 2018, 07:19:56 »

The left pole is in the same location, the other two aren't.

The holes two further down align though.
I think the cases could be modified to fit.

TalkingTree · « **Reply #76 on:** Sat, 23 June 2018, 09:26:13 »

Quote from: IanFist on Sat, 23 June 2018, 07:19:56

I think the cases could be modified to fit.

Perhaps so but you got to make sure the board doesn't slide around.

IanFist · « **Reply #77 on:** Sat, 23 June 2018, 10:30:10 »

Yes you are right but unless I find an older g80 case in black this will be my only option. Hopefully manageable with a few screws and standoffs.
I will try to provide a scale drawing of all the mounting points later so it could be incorporated into the pcb if they don't interfere with anything.

. · « **Reply #78 on:** Sat, 23 June 2018, 11:48:03 »

Thank you very much for this PCB, it works perfectly in my g80-3000 case! Now to find some switches for it...

TalkingTree · « **Reply #79 on:** Sat, 23 June 2018, 12:24:11 »

Quote from: IanFist on Sat, 23 June 2018, 10:30:10

unless I find an older g80 case in black this will be my only option.

Could you please show me a picture of the case with the PCB removed? Thanks.

IanFist · « **Reply #80 on:** Sat, 23 June 2018, 12:47:27 »

Sure! Just needed to find the right torx for the controller pcb.

TalkingTree · « **Reply #81 on:** Sat, 23 June 2018, 13:20:43 »

I believe the PCB could be screwed on the bottom half with some washer.

Generic_Green_Squid · « **Reply #82 on:** Tue, 26 June 2018, 01:30:59 »

This sounds really cool! I have a G81 case that housed my first mechanical keyboard, but I spilled water on it and it broke.

crtexcnndrm99 · « **Reply #83 on:** Tue, 26 June 2018, 03:05:30 »

Amazing project man! I could definitely use a 3k PCB or two

ag36 · « **Reply #84 on:** Fri, 13 July 2018, 18:33:39 »

Just assembled the kit I bought from pngu with og keycaps, nicely converted og cable. Box navy fits it well, Loving it. Thanks TalkingTree!

Due to my lacking of electrical skill I can't get the leds working just yet, 470 ohms resistor with the leftover leds I got from kbdfans(blue,unknown spec). Currently my multi meter says 5 volts and 0.02 milliamps, need to try different leds later.

Here's the sound, very typewriter like isn't it?

https://soundcloud.com/r-agag/box-navy-gh80

TalkingTree · « **Reply #85 on:** Sat, 14 July 2018, 02:14:23 »

Quote from: ag36 on Fri, 13 July 2018, 18:33:39

Just assembled the kit I bought from pngu with og keycaps

That's a really nice case and I love the coiled cable.
As for the LEDs, double check polarity.

ag36 · « **Reply #86 on:** Sat, 14 July 2018, 07:20:54 »

Still can't get it working, Tried 5v leds as well checked polarity so flat side faces squared pad and flat led print also tried using jumper wire instead of resistor. Help

. · « **Reply #87 on:** Tue, 17 July 2018, 06:11:13 »

Just built mine as well, but there seems to be a little problem regarding the bottom row.

As you can see, the alt key is a little misplaced.

TalkingTree · « **Reply #88 on:** Tue, 17 July 2018, 14:23:52 »

Quote from: maartenwut on Tue, 17 July 2018, 06:11:13

Just built mine as well, but there seems to be a little problem regarding the bottom row.

As you can see, the alt key is a little misplaced.

I've doublechecked the source and I've found no issue whatsoever, furthermore all the boards I've put together are winkeyless and they are fine.
Make sure the switch is in its correct position, see if there's any gap between the bottom of the switch and the PCB.
Keep me posted.

. · « **Reply #89 on:** Tue, 17 July 2018, 14:39:30 »

Quote from: TalkingTree on Tue, 17 July 2018, 14:23:52

Quote from: maartenwut on Tue, 17 July 2018, 06:11:13
Just built mine as well, but there seems to be a little problem regarding the bottom row.

As you can see, the alt key is a little misplaced.
I've doublechecked the source and I've found no issue whatsoever, furthermore all the boards I've put together are winkeyless and they are fine.
Make sure the switch is in its correct position, see if there's any gap between the bottom of the switch and the PCB.
Keep me posted.

Looks like there's no room between the switch and the PCB. Fortunately there is still room between the two keys so the keycaps don't hit. Just wanted to let you know about it

TalkingTree · « **Reply #90 on:** Tue, 17 July 2018, 15:19:10 »

Quote from: maartenwut on Tue, 17 July 2018, 14:39:30

Looks like there's no room between the switch and the PCB. Fortunately there is still room between the two keys so the keycaps don't hit. Just wanted to let you know about it

Yep, thanks for sharing. I'll triple check anyway.

. · « **Reply #91 on:** Thu, 19 July 2018, 03:15:40 »

Quote from: ag36 on Sat, 14 July 2018, 07:20:54

Still can't get it working, Tried 5v leds as well checked polarity so flat side faces squared pad and flat led print also tried using jumper wire instead of resistor. Help

I had to put mine in the other way - apparently the silkscreen is wrong.

ag36 · « **Reply #92 on:** Fri, 20 July 2018, 10:27:58 »

Quote from: maartenwut on Thu, 19 July 2018, 03:15:40

Quote from: ag36 on Sat, 14 July 2018, 07:20:54
Still can't get it working, Tried 5v leds as well checked polarity so flat side faces squared pad and flat led print also tried using jumper wire instead of resistor. Help
I had to put mine in the other way - apparently the silkscreen is wrong.

Will try that, thanks!

Edit: It works now! Thanks!

pngu · « **Reply #93 on:** Sat, 21 July 2018, 05:27:25 »

Quote from: ag36 on Fri, 20 July 2018, 10:27:58

Quote from: maartenwut on Thu, 19 July 2018, 03:15:40
I had to put mine in the other way - apparently the silkscreen is wrong.

Will try that, thanks!

Edit: It works now! Thanks!

That looks gorgeous! The clicky box switches make a lot of sense too. I still didn't build mine

. · « **Reply #94 on:** Sat, 21 July 2018, 06:37:35 »

Quote from: ag36 on Fri, 20 July 2018, 10:27:58

Quote from: maartenwut on Thu, 19 July 2018, 03:15:40
Quote from: ag36 on Sat, 14 July 2018, 07:20:54
Still can't get it working, Tried 5v leds as well checked polarity so flat side faces squared pad and flat led print also tried using jumper wire instead of resistor. Help
I had to put mine in the other way - apparently the silkscreen is wrong.

Will try that, thanks!

Edit: It works now! Thanks!

I can see by the skewed keycaps that you don't use PCB mounted switches

)

Nice build nonetheless

ag36 · « **Reply #95 on:** Sat, 21 July 2018, 08:22:58 »

Would be nice if I can get Box navy on pcb mount

Auslander · « **Reply #96 on:** Thu, 02 August 2018, 02:31:49 »

Quote from: ag36 on Fri, 20 July 2018, 10:27:58

Will try that, thanks!

Edit: It works now! Thanks!

That looks amazing those LED's really go nice with the logo. Did you do anything special to align the plate mount switches to the pcb before soldering?

ag36 · « **Reply #97 on:** Thu, 02 August 2018, 10:41:33 »

I've aligned them with steel ruler before soldering and corrected some of the switches after soldering, still not as good as pcb mount but acceptable.

. · « **Reply #98 on:** Fri, 03 August 2018, 09:10:54 »

Quote from: TalkingTree on Tue, 17 July 2018, 14:23:52

Quote from: maartenwut on Tue, 17 July 2018, 06:11:13
Just built mine as well, but there seems to be a little problem regarding the bottom row.

As you can see, the alt key is a little misplaced.
I've doublechecked the source and I've found no issue whatsoever, furthermore all the boards I've put together are winkeyless and they are fine.
Make sure the switch is in its correct position, see if there's any gap between the bottom of the switch and the PCB.
Keep me posted.

I took it a bit further and exported the gerbers into kicad, where I checked the placement of the switches by placing my own footprints over them in the exact same place using a 10mil grid since that seems to be what you're using. What I found is that the 1.5u key next to the 7u spacebar is shifted so far to the left that it overlaps the 7u footprint.

Not only that, but a lot of switches are off by at least 5 mils. The switch spacing is 750 mil (=19,05mm), right? The Esc key is on X = 340, so the F5 key should be on X = 340+(6.5*750) = 5215. But it's on X = 5210. And there are more switches with the same problem.

TalkingTree · « **Reply #99 on:** Fri, 03 August 2018, 09:56:40 »

Quote from: maartenwut on Fri, 03 August 2018, 09:10:54

a lot of switches are off by at least 5 mils.

I don't have the spreadsheet handy but 5 mils should fall within the tolerance. I'll go over the whole PCB as soon as I have some spare time.

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Author Topic: [opensource] GH80-3000 | Cherry G80-3000 replica (Read 146384 times)