[IC] Red on white sp double-shots?

[tsangan]

But that's what this DS set is trying to do, white with red wyse font looks 100% like Red Alert from OTD/DT not to mention the red numeric row and so on

Which is why I am trying to change that, dyesubs allow for any type of font which will be MUCH more unique.

[jdcarpe]

I have a PBT SP color chain, you need pics of that?

If you don't mind. I am curious how different the Cream Cheese and Red set will be from a White and Red set.

[demik]

helvetica!

[WorldExclusive]

But that's what this DS set is trying to do, white with red wyse font looks 100% like Red Alert from OTD/DT not to mention the red numeric row and so on

Which is why I am trying to change that, dyesubs allow for any type of font which will be MUCH more unique.

Point taken. Someone already said Helvetica. Futura is a fav of mine also.
Thick PBT subs would be great.

[tsangan]

If you don't mind. I am curious how different the Cream Cheese and Red set will be from a White and Red set.

I actually don't know the red that was used for that CCnR, I'll go see if I can find out

[demik]

it's a dark red IIRC

[Wraul]

I'm just going to say this once more that KBDmania/keyboard story is doing red/white set with the red mods people want, yes no red numeric row but in exchange you get kbdmania's special font ie CCnG and graphite font

Correct me if I'm wrong. But aren't those sets red/cream? Sure they are nice but not remotely close to the clean futuristic look provided by pure white.

[tsangan]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But aren't those sets red/cream? Sure they are nice but not remotely close to the clean futuristic look provided by pure white.

I was stating that for the people that are looking for red/white

As for all white with Wyse font, that is just 95% copy of OTD/DT's set which is very bad for the communities

[jdcarpe]

As for all white with Wyse font, that is just 100% copy of OTD/DT's set which is very bad for the communities

I'm cool with Isotherm. Is it $25 legend fee per key to use those?!?!

[tsangan]

I'm cool with Isotherm. Is it $25 legend fee per key to use those?!?!

$40 x83 (no need to do alt, control, shift, win twice)

$3320 is your grand total for legends, that money is better well spent on the Cherry replica font which all the SVG is done and just need to move into the next step.

[thegunner100]

It won't be the same as imsto's set. This set would have brighter whites and reds, which i prefer over the beige keys.

[Wraul]

I was stating that for the people that are looking for red/white

As for all white with Wyse font, that is just 95% copy of OTD/DT's set which is very bad for the communities

I don't really see how producing a similar set would be a negative thing. I'm sure there are a lot of people both here and over at OTD/DT that would love the opportunity to buy such a set.
Having missed out on the OTD/DT set I sure would really like the chance to get something similar.

Doing something like red modifiers would both give the set an edge and further separate it from the previous set.

[Djuzuh]

I don't really see how producing a similar set would be a negative thing. I'm sure there are a lot of people both here and over at OTD/DT that would love the opportunity to buy such a set.
Having missed out on the OTD/DT set I sure would really like the chance to get something similar.

Doing something like red modifiers would both give the set an edge and further separate it from the previous set.

The owner/GB organiser of the first red alert set didn't want anybody to make this GB again.

So if we do the same, we are going against his will. Which means korean boards won't trust/like us.

[tsangan]

I don't really see how producing a similar set would be a negative thing. I'm sure there are a lot of people both here and over at OTD/DT that would love the opportunity to buy such a set.
Having missed out on the OTD/DT set I sure would really like the chance to get something similar.

Doing something like red modifiers would both give the set an edge and further separate it from the previous set.

Unfortunately that is is not the case they were not happy with our Round 3 set (which was their dolch replica), retro set (which was their SoWaRe set) Geekhack is better then this

The owner/GB organiser of the first red alert set didn't want anybody to make this GB again.

So if we do the same, we are going against his will. Which means korean boards won't trust/like us.

Exactly this, and we want to have further joint projects with everyone in different communities

[jdcarpe]

The owner/GB organiser of the first red alert set didn't want anybody to make this GB again.

So if we do the same, we are going against his will. Which means korean boards won't trust/like us.

Man, that's like trying to patent a generic color scheme. I mean, come on, it's red and white. Really? No one can ever make a red and white set ever again or it will piss of the Koreans? That, my friend, is f'd up.

[tsangan]

Man, that's like trying to patent a generic color scheme. I mean, come on, it's red and white. Really? No one can ever make a red and white set ever again or it will piss of the Koreans? That, my friend, is f'd up.

Nono you mistaken the point, the point is we're trying to imitate the set far too much, red numeric, wyse/isotherm font

[MMB]

their dolch replica

So we made a copy of a set they copied? Hmm... I don't see any irony in that

[Djuzuh]

Man, that's like trying to patent a generic color scheme. I mean, come on, it's red and white. Really? No one can ever make a red and white set ever again or it will piss of the Koreans? That, my friend, is f'd up.

It's not that we can't, it's just showing some respect.

[tsangan]

So we made a copy of a set they copied? Hmm... I don't see any irony in that

Their Dolch replica looks nothing like dolch besides the colour, it used large centre font, which GH just copied key for key, it was just called Dolch replica for the colourway

[MMB]

Red modifiers and a new font they never used would settle this, and make the set more unique.

[tsangan]

Red modifiers and a new font they never used would settle this, and make the set more unique.

back to $40 x83 for the legend fees of the base set

$3320 is the total

[bavman]

I don't really think were trying to imitate it that much at all.
There's the double shots with red mods. Sure they had red numerical keys, but thats completely different. The mods we'd be doing is found in cherry/wyse/old sets, in which the mods are a darker color than the regular keys.
We'd just be using the wyse font..but its not like were trying to imitate that..its just what SP has that we dont have to spend $3000+ to get.

[MMB]

Their Dolch replica looks nothing like dolch besides the colour, it used large centre font, which GH just copied key for key, it was just called Dolch replica for the colourway

I would love to see an actual Dolch replica. Large centered fonts look pretty terrible, imo.

[jdcarpe]

Red modifiers and a new font they never used would settle this, and make the set more unique.

Yes. We could use the Cherry replica font. Or Fugue2. Anything that will distinguish our set from their Red Alert set.

I was just thinking WYSE, since SP doesn't charge extra.

[tsangan]

Yes. We could use the Cherry replica font. Or Fugue2. Anything that will distinguish our set from their Red Alert set.

Cherry replica font has another project, and it's not this

[MMB]

back to $40 x83 for the legend fees of the base set

$3320 is the total

I meant a legend SP already has, or one that has been paid for, like Cherry replica, or something like that.

[tsangan]

I meant a legend SP already has, or one that has been paid for, like Cherry replica, or something like that.

Refer to post above.

All of font's SP has is pretty ugly sadly, the only good one is Wyse haha

[Zehkul]

Man, that's like trying to patent a generic color scheme. I mean, come on, it's red and white. Really? No one can ever make a red and white set ever again or it will piss of the Koreans? That, my friend, is f'd up.

It would be if it was just that. It really does seem strange to copy it while they’re doing it at the same time. With enough opportunity for us to get it. Not that I’d be pissed off, but I’d be embarrassed to partake in such a GB.

[hashbaz]

To me the dstinguishing characteristics of the RA set are the red number row and the custom symbol-only legends on the mods.  I think if we stay away from those two things we'll be safely out of knock-off territory.

[WorldExclusive]

$40 x83 (no need to do alt, control, shift, win twice)

$3320 is your grand total for legends, that money is better well spent on the Cherry replica font which all the SVG is done and just need to move into the next step.

I would like the Cherry font. It's more bold also.

Cherry font, PBT subs, Grey and White Mods?

Yes please!!!! :dance:

[7bit_R4]

Unfortunately that is is not the case they were not happy with our Round 3 set (which was their dolch replica), retro set (which was their SoWaRe set) Geekhack is better then this



Exactly this, and we want to have further joint projects with everyone in different communities

ROUND3 is centered-all-CAPS, while their Dolch-scheme was off-center Camel Case!

Not mentioning that I offer a lot of add-on stuff Koreans never could have dreamed of!

RETRO differs from SoWaRe (different colors / different style of symbols) and also SoWaRe itself was a clone of the WYSE scheme and came out that way it is becuase SP messed it up!

[tsangan]

I would like the Cherry font. It's more bold also.

Once again Cherry font, not used for this

RETRO is differs from SoWaRe (different colors) and also SoWaRe itself was a clone of the WYSE scheme and came out that way it is becuase SP messed it up!

So we decide to follow suit because we like the mess up

[tsangan]

RETRO is differs from SoWaRe (different colors) and also SoWaRe itself was a clone of the WYSE scheme and came out that way it is becuase SP messed it up!

So we decide to follow suit because we like the mess up

[bavman]

Well this puts us in a predicament as it seems its about a half way split with what people want.
Double-shot red mods vs dye-sub grey mods

How oh how do we choose?

[tsangan]

Well this puts us in a predicament as it seems its about a half way split with what people want.
Double-shot red mods vs dye-sub grey mods

dyesubs does not have to be grey mods

plus sides to dye subs is better quality keys with any font we want while DS that is not possible

[Zehkul]

Dye sub red mods? ;P The sides would have to stay white, but it still could look decent, I think. Could. I’m not sure. ^^

[hashbaz]

dyesubs does not have to be grey mods

plus sides to dye subs is better quality keys with any font we want while DS that is not possible

There will be legend fees if we choose a font they haven't done before though, yes?

[Djuzuh]

There will be legend fees if we choose a font they haven't done before though, yes?

Not really. They don't need to create a new mold.

[MMB]

dyesubs does not have to be grey mods

plus sides to dye subs is better quality keys with any font we want while DS that is not possible

But dyesubs rule out white on red mods

[tsangan]

Dye sub red mods? ;P The sides would have to stay white, but it still could look decent, I think. Could. I’m not sure. ^^

But dyesubs rule out white on red mods

Sadly can't dyesub white onto red, you can dyesub black onto red though

There will be legend fees if we choose a font they haven't done before though, yes?

Just the setup fee I listed earlier in this thread i think it was $75 for base kit and like $30 for the addon kits

[bavman]

Never mind tsangan just answer this

And like magicmeatball said, we can't have the red mods on pbt. If we could get it like that I would totally be in for pbt

[tsangan]

I feel like SP would still charge us $40 a key to dye-sub a new font unless someone has asked Melissa about this.

And like magicmeatball said, we can't have the red mods on pbt. If we could get it like that I would totally be in for pbt

I did ask and posted the prices already...

I understand the red mods part on pbt though, that part I cannot argue as white on red cannot be done

[Zehkul]

Sadly can't dyesub white onto red, you can dyesub black onto red though

You can’t dyesub white on red, but you can dyesub a whole keytop red and leave the legends white.

See Imsto’s 3D dyesub. You could try painting the sides red yourself, or live with them being white.

[jdcarpe]

Any input from Sherryton on what colors will be used for the KS/KBD set? What legends?

[bavman]

You can’t dyesub white on red, but you can dyesub a whole keytop red and leave the legends white.

That would just look terrible.

Maybe I'll set up a thread here and we'll list the pros and cons of each and vote on it

Option 1: Double-shot abs
pros: Red mods, double-shot, cheaper
cons: stuck with wyse font, abs

Option 2: Dye-sub pbt
pros: pbt, can do another font for a small fee ($75)
cons: no red mods, slightly more expensive

Am i missing anything?

Edit: I meant set up a poll in the poll forum

[tsangan]

Any input from Sherryton on what colors will be used for the KS/KBD set? What legends?

Original graphite/CCnG font

[Djuzuh]

I think it's more than slightly more expensive, as I expect this GB to hit 250 sets, And DS does a lot better when there are a big number of orders than PBT does.

[bavman]

Found it

Dye-sub:
Standard 87 key layout:
25 sets $95.50 / set
50 sets $83.01 / set
75 sets $78.84 / set
100 sets $76.76 / set
150 sets $74.68 / set
200 sets $73.64 / set
250 sets $73.01 / set

Double-shot (from cream cheese...went up though):
25 sets $79/set
50 sets $59/set
75 sets $52/set
100 sets $49/set
150 sets $46/set
200 sets $43/set
250 sets $42/set


Honestly I think this gb would hit 150 minimum probably around 200.

[tsangan]

Tsangan would you happen to have the pricing on 87 set for double-shots and dye-sub on hand?

DS I don't have new pricing but prices went up and I know this for a fact so PLEASE do NOT base it on recent sets (ie. Cream Cheese N Green)

As for PBT

Everything highlighted in bold I know we'll hit for sure, likely to be even more as GH has grown a lot in size lately

Prices is without shipping, handling and PP fee.

Pricing for the variations is below:
Standard 87 key layout:
25 sets          $95.50 / set
50 sets          $83.01 / set
75 sets          $78.84 / set
100 sets        $76.76 / set
150 sets        $74.68 / set
200 sets        $73.64 / set
250 sets        $73.01 / set
** SUBLIMATION SETUP CHARGE OF $75
 
NumPad Addon Kit:
25 sets          $40.89 / set
50 sets          $35.36 / set
75 sets          $33.52 / set
100 sets        $32.60 / set
150 sets        $31.68 / set
200 sets        $31.22 / set
250 sets        $30.94 / set
** SUBLIMATION SETUP CHARGE OF $40
 
11 Key 'Tsangan' Addonkit:
25 sets          $28.80 / set
50 sets          $23.25 / set
75 sets          $21.39 / set
100 sets        $20.47 / set
150 sets        $19.54 / set
200 sets        $19.08 / set
250 sets        $18.80 / set
**SUBLIMATION SETUP CHARGE OF $40

[tsangan]

Honestly I think this gb would hit 150 minimum probably around 200.

Only reason red on black DS and CCnG got so much love was because OTD/KBDmania ordered please remember that.

red on black DS because it was new

CCnG because of the winkeyless option via tsangan kit which was NOT available in the original set

More then half of my orders was from Korea, if it wasn't for them my GB would hover around 100 at best. Red on black DS Taeyoung got 26 sets IIRC and there was others too, so if it wasn't for them it would over around 80~