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[IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘
« on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:31:24 »
Inspired by the simple design principles of contemporary Japanese design and a certain rather ubiquitous lifestyle brand, KAT MUMEI seeks not to elicit feelings of strong desire. Rather, it seeks to evoke in the user a sense of quiet satisfaction when he sits down at his desk and looks down at his keyboard.



Hey all, been planning to run a keycaps GB for a while now but without really committing as I found the market oversaturated with GMK sets. Till I dabbled around with this colorway, tried KAT and found the profile both immensely satisfying to type on and particularly well suited to bringing out the best in this colorway. So, without further ado, allow me to present this IC for




Inspiration | 啓発
I played with these colors some time ago whilst designing my personal logo with the red and black providing a rather nice contrast to the rice paper texture I laid the logo over. So the idea sorta stuck but it was not till much later when I was refining and simplifying the colors that I discovered the similarities to the branding of a certain lifestyle brand. And that's pretty much how I arrived at the name.

Giving Back | 博愛
Let me preface this by saying that growing up some 20 years ago, I was fortunate to have access to a well-developed public library in a system which placed much emphasis on education. It was an environment which aided immensely in cultivating my curiosity and whetting my appetite for knowledge. However, even now, the same cannot be said for all children around the world, particularly in less developed nations.

As such, before I even approach vendors, I would like to tentatively pledge 75% of my cut as 'designer' of this set (sans cost of production e.g. renders) towards Room to Read - a non-profit organization committed to improving literacy and gender equality in education in the developing world. Of course, if something can be worked out with the vendors, that'd be even better.

Color codes | カラーコード
Blood Red: RAL 030 30 45
Grain White: RAL 060 90 05

Rationale for Icon Mods | 根拠
Since there has been quite a few queries as to how I arrived at the design of the icon mods, I think I'd best explain it here. At the start of the project, I wished for the icons to be simple and minimal, to be line with the theme. Thus, I set myself the challenge of redesigning the existing icon mods around 2 basic shapes - a Triangle and a Line . The resulting icon mods is the culmination of that challenge to myself.

Kits | キット
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Renders | レンダリング
Katakana Alphas & Icon Mods on AKI-S
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Latin Alphas & Text Mods on HEX.6C
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Artisan Collabs | 協調主義
TBA

Deskmat | デスクマット
TBA

Pricing | 値段
TBA

To-do List | 予定表
1.Finalize list of themed products, including, but not limited to, deskmats, cables, metallic caps etc.
2.Approach vendors to get pricing quotes
3.Contact Room to Read, pending interest gauge in IC
4.Reach out to artisan makers for collabs

Changelog | 更新暦
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27.01.20
1.Changed name of set from KAT MUJI to KAT MUMEI
2.Added Colevrak kit
3.Split Ergo/40s/Ortho kits to Ergo and Ortho/40s kits
4.Moved split spacebars to Spacebar kit
5.Added missing ISO keys
6.Added MORE Home/End/PgUp/PgDn keys

06.08.20
1.Streamlined Home/End/PgUp/PgDn keys for both modifier kits
2.Added 'F13' key to both modifier kits
3.Added North kit
4.Updated and split 40s kit into Text and Icons
5.Updated Colevrak, Ergo and Ortho kits (sorry, text-only)
6.Added missing ISO accent keys
11.08.20
1.R4 Pause key added to both numpad kits
2.Added Icon Ortho kit



Additional Notes | その他の注意事項
The NERDSswithKEEBS Discord server has been set up to make keeping track of this project, as well as others in the pipeline, easier. To become a NERD: https://discord.gg/Yr4nf52
Or, if you belong to the school of thought that believes a picture says a thousand words, give @NERDSwithKEEBS a follow on Instagram.

Appreciation | 労い
‣ Manzel for the renders
‣ SGMK Child Bullying Interest Group for the support, feedback and encouragement
R for being a rood bij
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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:34:52 »
Need renders

Otherwise, looks good. Could always do with some katakana alphas :p Although I would prefer standard Icon Mods instead of Modern

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:35:42 »
Hi sirs ne keypora collab avail
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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:37:45 »
I dig it :)

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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:47:20 »
nice

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:51:08 »
A few observations:

- Latin alphas (1): why are there two Katakana keys?
- Latin alphas (2): there is a mod-colored R4 `~ key but not a mod-colored R3 \| key.
- Modifiers: there should be an R1 End key here (there is an R2 End key already).
- Space bars: no split space bars?
- ISO kit (1): I don't see the point of the R1/R2 HUDE keys and the second and third Shift keys in this kit. Shouldn't they be in the modifiers kit? (hmmm... R1 End IS here)
- ISO kit (2): support for English (UK) over ISO is complete, but perhaps an accented R4 key should be there.
- ISO kit (3): support for English (USA) over ANSISO and ISO is almost complete: an R2 \| should be there.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 09:05:29 »
Looks clean, interested. Just wondering if there's any possibility of adding 1u 0 the numpad kit?

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 09:11:27 »
Colevrak?

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 09:22:53 »
Colevrak?

Oops, forgot about that. I'll just add that in the next revision.

Looks clean, interested. Just wondering if there's any possibility of adding 1u 0 the numpad kit?

Oh dear, my bad. Think I deleted the wrong layer when I was updating it. This should be the correct one.


Need renders

Otherwise, looks good. Could always do with some katakana alphas :p Although I would prefer standard Icon Mods instead of Modern

Well renders are on the way, but the guy I have chosen to work with is unfortunately backed up till Dec so they are coming, preferably I will have the kits finalized by then as well. As for the mods, they aren't exactly the Modern icon mods. Rather they have been redesigned to be in line with the theme, uniformly comprised of hard straight lines.


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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 09:30:34 »
A few observations:

- Latin alphas (1): why are there two Katakana keys?
- Latin alphas (2): there is a mod-colored R4 `~ key but not a mod-colored R3 \| key.
- Modifiers: there should be an R1 End key here (there is an R2 End key already).
- Space bars: no split space bars?
- ISO kit (1): I don't see the point of the R1/R2 HUDE keys and the second and third Shift keys in this kit. Shouldn't they be in the modifiers kit? (hmmm... R1 End IS here)
- ISO kit (2): support for English (UK) over ISO is complete, but perhaps an accented R4 key should be there.
- ISO kit (3): support for English (USA) over ANSISO and ISO is almost complete: an R2 \| should be there.

Heh, a whole post dedicated for your feedback, which is very much appreciated. I did lose track of the mods a few times while doing the kits up and I just knew I was missing something.

1. The keys missing in the ISO kits will be added in the next revision.
2. There is no mod-colored R3 | / \ because the only keys that are accented are the Enter and Esc keys, in keeping with the minimal aesthetic of the set.
3. Those 2 characters in the Latin Alphas are not Katakana keys. They are the novelties that I've chosen to include in the alphas.
4. The split spacebars will be moved into the spacebar kit in the next revision.

Once again, thanks for taking a fine-tooth comb and going through the kits! Your feedback has helped immensely in filling the gaps in the kits, particularly ones i hardly use.  ;D
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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 09:43:59 »
Colevrak?

Oops, forgot about that. I'll just add that in the next revision.

Thanks dad  :-* count me in

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 09:45:01 »
Nice idea, nice colors, great profile--but my concern is the name. Are you going to actually call it "KAT MUJI" and use the logo like that? That seems like a legal grey area to me...

Maybe you could do something equally as creative as their name and play off of Mujirushi Ryōhin as well. KAT Quality, or KAT Brandless, or even KAT No Name if you get my drift.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 09:46:04 »
Do you think about trademark?
MUJI is sensitive about it.
https://www.muji.com/sg/blog/20190913_1446/

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 10:22:32 »
Do you think about trademark?
MUJI is sensitive about it.
https://www.muji.com/sg/blog/20190913_1446/
Nice idea, nice colors, great profile--but my concern is the name. Are you going to actually call it "KAT MUJI" and use the logo like that? That seems like a legal grey area to me...

Maybe you could do something equally as creative as their name and play off of Mujirushi Ryōhin as well. KAT Quality, or KAT Brandless, or even KAT No Name if you get my drift.
Thanks guys! After since consideration, I'll be changing the name to something a little less thorny. For now I'll leave it as so until I arrive at a new name.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 12:25:15 »
LOL I love muji, might have to get this.
 

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 12:56:28 »
LOL I love muji, might have to get this.
What is a muji? I'm just in it for the colorway

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 12:59:57 »
What is a muji? I'm just in it for the colorway

It's a japanese lifestyle brand. They sell furniture, clothes, anything really. Trying to think of an American equivalent, but nothing really comes to the top of my head.

https://www.muji.com/us/

 

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 13:16:42 »
OMG I'm a huge fan of MUJI. Cherry profile might be cleaner imo but I'm keeping an eye on this set!
        

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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 17:46:08 »
Muji is great and so are these colors. Hopefully you don't get sued :p
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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 18:04:42 »
Muji, the company's name, actually stands for "brand-less goodies". They are known for their clean, brand-less designs with decent quality and affordable prices. I love their white chocolate covered freeze dried strawberries lol.

Hopefully all these will translate into the key set as well!

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 21:23:24 »
Looks dope, will keep an eye out on vendors / pricing!

Only comment would be on the numpad / "num lock" button - have you considered adding an alpha num as well? The icon looks cool and would be nice to have something standard as well.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 22:27:38 »
I don't quite understand the Control and ESC icons.
How did you arrive at that design?
Are they icons that exist already?

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 07 November 2019, 23:09:33 »
I don't quite understand the Control and ESC icons.
How did you arrive at that design?
Are they icons that exist already?
No, they are not though they are based on existing ones. I sought to only incorporate straight lines and triangles in the design for the icons whilst refraining from using other shapes. Additionally, I had to ensure that the design did not depart too far from the other icons.

Only comment would be on the numpad / "num lock" button - have you considered adding an alpha num as well? The icon looks cool and would be nice to have something standard as well.
Thanks, I overlooked that, I will add that in the next revision too.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 01:32:59 »
I don't quite understand the Control and ESC icons.
How did you arrive at that design?
Are they icons that exist already?
No, they are not though they are based on existing ones. I sought to only incorporate straight lines and triangles in the design for the icons whilst refraining from using other shapes. Additionally, I had to ensure that the design did not depart too far from the other icons.
For Control, why not use the usual ^ icon?
For ESC, there's the standardized ⎋ icon which would fit well with the rest of the icons. Wikipedia article.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 01:46:10 »
I don't quite understand the Control and ESC icons.
How did you arrive at that design?
Are they icons that exist already?
No, they are not though they are based on existing ones. I sought to only incorporate straight lines and triangles in the design for the icons whilst refraining from using other shapes. Additionally, I had to ensure that the design did not depart too far from the other icons.
For Control, why not use the usual ^ icon?
For ESC, there's the standardized ⎋ icon which would fit well with the rest of the icons. Wikipedia article.
Using the ^ icon would overlap with the up arrow key. Using the standard esc icon would deviate from the rest of the set in that no other icon uses a circle.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 07:28:43 »
Can you add a Japanese keyboard addon kit to this one?

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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 08 November 2019, 08:53:01 »
I don't quite understand the Control and ESC icons.
How did you arrive at that design?
Are they icons that exist already?
No, they are not though they are based on existing ones. I sought to only incorporate straight lines and triangles in the design for the icons whilst refraining from using other shapes. Additionally, I had to ensure that the design did not depart too far from the other icons.
For Control, why not use the usual ^ icon?
For ESC, there's the standardized ⎋ icon which would fit well with the rest of the icons. Wikipedia article.
Using the ^ icon would overlap with the up arrow key. Using the standard esc icon would deviate from the rest of the set in that no other icon uses a circle.

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Hmmm I can see your point.
Hope you'll find alternative icons for those 2 keys. While all the other icons are very easy to understand, the Control and ESC keys seem rather complicated to me.

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« Reply #28 on: Sat, 09 November 2019, 00:43:06 »
Been waiting for a set like this for awhile. Any chance we can do white instead of beige just to avoid being so close Yugo? Also would fit better with the theme imo.

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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 10 November 2019, 10:39:50 »
Been waiting for a set like this for awhile. Any chance we can do white instead of beige just to avoid being so close Yugo? Also would fit better with the theme imo.
Thanks! Unfortunately I dropped by MUJI earlier today and found that the beige was a lot more yellow and way creamier than I thought it'd be. There might be a change of colors, but I'm still slightly on the fence about that.

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 10 November 2019, 10:42:56 »
Can you add a Japanese keyboard addon kit to this one?
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As it stands, there's already quite a number of kits. I did think of adding japanese mod kit a la epbt kuro/shiro and simpleja, but I decided against it cos the some of the text was just too long and would end up going to 2 lines.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 10 November 2019, 10:44:33 »
Muji is great and so are these colors. Hopefully you don't get sued :p

Nice idea, nice colors, great profile--but my concern is the name. Are you going to actually call it "KAT MUJI" and use the logo like that? That seems like a legal grey area to me...

Maybe you could do something equally as creative as their name and play off of Mujirushi Ryōhin as well. KAT Quality, or KAT Brandless, or even KAT No Name if you get my drift.

Do you think about trademark?
MUJI is sensitive about it.
https://www.muji.com/sg/blog/20190913_1446/

Thanks guys! The name will be changed, and I'm currently contemplating a few alternatives. Stay tuned to this thread for updates!

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« Reply #32 on: Sun, 10 November 2019, 20:14:49 »
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« Reply #33 on: Mon, 11 November 2019, 05:04:12 »
Personally, I think cream/beige looks perfect, white wouldn't..
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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 21 November 2019, 14:29:29 »
Wow this looks awesome! I'm in :)

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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 22 November 2019, 11:40:20 »
I think this will look great on my red ergo board. Thanks for running it in KAT!
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« Reply #36 on: Mon, 25 November 2019, 05:37:11 »
This looks super nice.

Please make a NorDe kit as well!

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 11 December 2019, 17:08:14 »
Colevrak?

Oops, forgot about that. I'll just add that in the next revision.

Thanks dad  :-* count me in

I recommend this for the Colevrak+ kit.  Keyreative has probably quoted it before, since it's in these five KAT sets' ICs:  Atlantis, Explosion, Goddess, Lich, and Lucky Jade.


Details here.
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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 00:41:33 »
Would you possibly do a kit with Latin alphas/Katakana sublegends?

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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 00:59:36 »
Colevrak?

Oops, forgot about that. I'll just add that in the next revision.

Thanks dad  :-* count me in

I recommend this for the Colevrak+ kit.  Keyreative has probably quoted it before, since it's in these five KAT sets' ICs:  Atlantis, Explosion, Goddess, Lich, and Lucky Jade.

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Details here.
Hey I got ur pm and have integrated the keys into the set. :thumb: Now I'm just waiting on a couple of things before I update the OP.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 01:01:17 »
Would you possibly do a kit with Latin alphas/Katakana sublegends?
Sorry, I will not be doing any alpha kits with sublegends as one of the aims I had was to keep things minimal, clean and as simple as possible.

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« Reply #41 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 01:33:56 »
Add Norde and im down.

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« Reply #42 on: Sat, 14 December 2019, 05:04:42 »
This looks super nice.

Please make a NorDe kit as well!
Add Norde and im down.
Hey guys, I'm all for adding NorDe kits but I have no idea what keys go in there. If you would like to see the inclusion of these kits, please do drop me a PM. Thanks!

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Re: [IC] KAT MUJI
« Reply #43 on: Sat, 14 December 2019, 07:17:29 »
This looks super nice.

Please make a NorDe kit as well!
Add Norde and im down.
Hey guys, I'm all for adding NorDe kits but I have no idea what keys go in there. If you would like to see the inclusion of these kits, please do drop me a PM. Thanks!

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Hey there! I have KLEs of NorDe++, BRESLAPTIT and French kits. These are based on the kits laid out here.

These are the kits I've used for Lich, albeit with adjustments as Lich includes ISO UK in base.

Feel free to use them if you want  :D

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« Reply #44 on: Sat, 14 December 2019, 11:26:32 »
The kits Eskimojo uses will work for me!

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« Reply #45 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 11:00:26 »
Simple and clean. I dig it.

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« Reply #46 on: Wed, 18 December 2019, 03:22:12 »
I'm interested in this set, I like MUJI! I hope this set will reach GB.
I think the render with frosted pc or e-white case will fit with this sets because these colors reminds me MUJI's storage furnitures.

I apologize in advance about long sentences, there are a few points of concerns regarding the convenience of current kits.
(As ywcsam has mentioned, MUJI provides "no-brand, simple and rustic looks, but good-quality" products. My opinions are based on it.)

1. I like the idea that Kanji novelties, but I need to attach these 1u novelty-caps adjacent to left and right for complete "無印" and won't make good appearance if I won't do so.

2. Because Kana-input isn't mainstream metyod even in Japanese, the combination of Katakana-only alphas with ANSI/ISO layout is cool but maybe inconvenient for input. (However, this problem is not serious because can solve easily if I choose Latin Alphas kit.)

3. Some icons of mod kit for example ESC were little bit hard for me to understand until compare with Text mod. Considering the above features of MUJI, I felt the concept of this kit won't lose even if current icons will update partially to not-triangle shapes, pictograms, or shapes which more closer to standard option.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI (formerly known as KAT MUJI)
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 04:22:48 »
Hey guys, took on board the feedback and made some changes to the kits (among others)! Hopefully, we can get some renders up and going shortly, and for the ZF guys to stop giving me the cold shoulder. T.T

Also, renders will be coming soon, so keep an eye out for that. ;)



Other changes
1.Changed name of set from KAT MUJI to KAT MUMEI
2.Changed colors used
3.Added Colevrak kit
4.Split Ergo/40s/Ortho kits into their own child kits
5.Moved split spacebars to Spacebar kit
6.Added missing ISO keys
7.Added MORE Home/End/PgUp/PgDn keys (too many now)! Please help me remove some of them by filling up the IC form!
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« Reply #48 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 05:36:36 »
Ortho should have it own kit. You cant cover a ortho board with the ergo kit cuz the 1,5 mods

Love this set but I dont want another white keyset :(

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« Reply #49 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 06:01:22 »
I'd suggest adding ISO Enter keys into the Norde kit also. Otherwise Norde users have to buy the UK ISO kit for one key only :)

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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 06:34:26 »
Why the name change?

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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 07:28:57 »
I'd suggest adding ISO Enter keys into the Norde kit also. Otherwise Norde users have to buy the UK ISO kit for one key only :)

This, and make the ortho kit with icon mods please.
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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI (formerly known as KAT MUJI)
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 07:34:37 »
Why the name change?

MUJI has issues with the use of their name (or references to it) when it's not them. To use it legally you might be obligated to officially license the keyset, which is a long and lengthy process. [Praise mgsickler and Novelkeys for their ability to get Star Wars on board with their themed keysets.] You can check the rest of the thread to see the discussion about it.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI (formerly known as KAT MUJI)
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 07:35:19 »
Hey hey! Really love this colourway.

Some thoughts on the current kits:

Alphas
  • Is there any need for the accent grave key? Seems like an odd position for an accent. (though if this is an intentional design choice, that's cool)

Mods
  • Any chance of "Caps Lock" being replaced with "Caps" on stepped caps (and possibly full too)? Having two lines while the rest of the keys have one looks off.
  • Could R3 1.5u Delete be changed to Backspace/Bksp? (or at least have both options)
  • It'd also be nice to have 2*1.5u code added.
  • I also take issue with the sheer amount of nav keys, but I can see you're taking feedback on that via IC form.

UK ISO
  • See previous comment on accent grave key.
  • R2 3£ should be replaced with R2 \|.
  • Please add icon ISO enters so it won't be the only text key on an icon mod board  ;)

Spacebars
  • Extra B makes sense to go here instead of 40s.
  • I'm unsure if KAT has moulds for both off centre and centred 6u space.

Numpad
  • See previous comment on two line Num Lock, consider replacing with Num.
  • As KAT has a different top row (R5), support for 1800 boards should be added here. This would need R5 Ins, Del, Home, End, Pg Up, Pg Dn, along with an R4 Pause.

40s
  • This currently appears to be a GMK style 40s kit, where buyers are expected to buy base as well. This is unnecessary for KAT, and proves to be expensive (and thus offputting) for most buyers. For a better approach, I recommend either a 40s/Ortho mod kit like Atlantis, or full 40s and Ortho mod kits like Lich.
  • See comment about extra B in spacebars.

NorDe
  • As mentioned above, ISO enter should be added here.
  • If you're sticking with the accent grave, there are 6 keys you can add here for other languages to use this. See Lich for these keys.

Colevrak
  • R2 1.75u Enter should be Backspace. (and thus wouldn't need an accent.)
I also never realised that the homing keys could spell Haunt, that's cool

Ergo (this kit does not cover Ortho, only Boardwalk)
  • R1 1.5u Home and End should be Fn and Enter.
  • Consider adding r2 1u Pg Up and Pg Dn, for better Boardwalk coverage.
  • Consider replacing the vertical 1.5u Fn and Scroll Lock keys with something else - I personally went with Page Up/Down and Lower/Raise for Lich.
  • There are currently a plethora of R1 Alt, Ctrl and Code. Consider changing some of these to other legends.
  • Accent thumbkeys might be a worthy addition, along with accented Esc and Enter.

This may seem like a lot, but I hope it's helpful. Good luck with your set, I'll definitely want to join whenever this goes live.  :thumb:

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« Reply #54 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 12:53:54 »
Love this. Hope the new Ortho kit would easily cover the Preonic.

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« Reply #55 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 03:19:41 »
Would you consider moving the extra "B" to the base kit?

Alice layout boards are becoming more common with all the clones finished and in the work. I understand the Alice is an ergo board but  it can be covered by the base and spacebar kits. I'm also aware there are some outliers like the Prime_E but those would need the 40s kit anyways. Just my suggestion, definitely not a deal breaker. This set looks great and I'm looking forward to renders :thumb:

Edit: extra "B"added to the Alphas as I realized the alphas and mods are split up. GMK syndrome I guess?  :p
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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI (formerly known as KAT MUJI)
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 03:59:48 »
I agree that the extra B should always be either in Alphas/base or in the Spacebar kit

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« Reply #57 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 22:27:16 »
I am bout this color way for a all red 65 case I just jumped in on. This would look sick.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI (formerly known as KAT MUJI)
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 23:54:32 »
Love the colors, and icon mods. Definitely in !
 Any idea of an approximate timeframe ?

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 05:38:42 »
I wonder if this is still going to happen, it seems to be abandoned.

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« Reply #60 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 10:21:22 »
I wonder if this is still going to happen, it seems to be abandoned.
Sorry, just been busy with life. Had some renders done recently and I'm in the process of finalizing kits.

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« Reply #61 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 13:32:22 »
That's a great news, looking forward to grabbing some of that blood red  :thumb: Also glad you responded, probably many of us were wondering whats going on.
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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 19 July 2020, 09:56:19 »
Do you have Discord to follow this IC?

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« Reply #63 on: Sun, 19 July 2020, 12:42:32 »
I like it. Simple and clean!

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« Reply #64 on: Sun, 19 July 2020, 16:36:47 »
Hello! I really like the colora and everything, but as usual, living in switzerland i will not be able to buy this nice set.

Do you think the norde kit could include switzerland ? Or at lest a french kit?

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 06 August 2020, 09:29:29 »
Hey guys, it's been a while since the last update hasn't it? I had some personal issues to sort out, but now that those issues have been resolved, I guess this set deserves an update. Thank you everyone for your patience and apologies to all eagerly waiting for this set to run.

Updates | 更新の概要
This update sees a number of changes, most of which have been reserved for the child kits, following feedback from numerous community members (special thanks to u/depletedvespene and u/eskimojo who took the time to break down what was wrong/missing previously). With this update, I would like to state that the kits are more or less finalized pending glaring issues or omissions.

Kits | キット
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Renders | レンダリング
Katakana Alphas & Icon Mods on AKI-S
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Latin Alphas & Text Mods on HEX.6C
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Giving Back | 博愛
Let me preface this by saying that growing up some 20 years ago, I was fortunate to have access to a well-developed public library organization in a system which placed much emphasis on education. It was an environment which aided immensely in cultivating my curiosity and whetting my appetite for knowledge. However, even now, the same cannot be said for all children around the world, particularly in less developed nations.

As such, before I even approach vendors, I would like to tentatively pledge 75% of my cut as 'designer' of this set (sans cost of production e.g. renders) towards Room to Read - a non-profit organization committed to improving literacy and gender equality in education in the developing world. Of course, if something can be worked out with the vendors, that'd be even better.

Changelog | 更新暦
1.Streamlined Home/End/PgUp/PgDn keys for both modifier kits
2.Added 'F13' key to both modifier kits
3.Added North kit
4.Updated and split 40s kit into Text and Icons
5.Updated Colevrak, Ergo and Ortho kits (sorry, text-only)
6.Added missing ISO accent keys

To-do List | 予定表
1.Finalize deskmat designs
2.Approach vendors to get pricing quotes
3.Contact Room to Read, pending interest gauge in IC
4.Reach out to artisan makers for collabs


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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Kits Updated)
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 06 August 2020, 10:16:38 »
Great to see this moving again! The kits look a lot better.

I have an issue and a request:

1) R3 3£ isn't needed for the UK ISO kit.

2) Would it be possible to get a R4 Pause key in the numpad kit? It's used in some 1800 layouts.


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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Kits Updated)
« Reply #67 on: Thu, 06 August 2020, 10:26:28 »
Wow this set looks so fresh. I believe the link for Room to Read is currently broken, but otherwise I love your pledge to give back!

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Kits Updated)
« Reply #68 on: Thu, 06 August 2020, 20:47:27 »
Great to see this moving again! The kits look a lot better.

I have an issue and a request:

1) R2 3£ isn't needed for the UK ISO kit.

2) Would it be possible to get a R4 Pause key in the numpad kit? It's used in some 1800 layouts.

Thanks! I will be adding this in in the next update.

Wow this set looks so fresh. I believe the link for Room to Read is currently broken, but otherwise I love your pledge to give back!

Link fixed! Thanks for pointing it out!


On another note, someone suggested on the Reddit thread that I should add in an Icon Ortho kit. What do you guys think?

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Kits Updated 06.08.20)
« Reply #69 on: Sun, 09 August 2020, 01:42:46 »
That ergo kit would make this perfect for a red anodized plate RGBKB Sol 2 kit I've been meaning to build.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Kits Updated)
« Reply #70 on: Sun, 09 August 2020, 03:49:37 »
On another note, someone suggested on the Reddit thread that I should add in an Icon Ortho kit. What do you guys think?
Ortho should always have icon mods.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Kits Updated 06.08.20)
« Reply #71 on: Sun, 09 August 2020, 16:28:20 »
I've been wanting to try KAT profile, I like these colours! :thumb:

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Kits Updated 06.08.20)
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 10 August 2020, 06:17:08 »
No novelties for this set though?

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Kits Updated 06.08.20)
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 10 August 2020, 11:30:08 »
No novelties for this set though?
Much like the inspiration behind this set, the idea is for the set to be as minimalist and streamlined as possible, with little excess, if any. As such, I have made the conscious decision to keep the number of novelties to the 2 included in each set of the alphas.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Looking for VENDORS)
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 10 August 2020, 14:08:04 »
AM ON THE LOOKOUT FOR AN NA and EU VENDOR FOR THIS SET! HMU IF YOU'RE KEEN! THANK YOU!



Updates | 更新の概要
This update sees a minor update to both numpad kits as well the addition of an Icon Ortho kit.





Changelog | 更新暦
1.R4 Pause key added to both numpad kits
2.Added Icon Ortho kit

To-do List | 予定表
1.Finalize list of themed products, including, but not limited to, deskmats, cables, metallic caps etc.
2.Approach vendors to get pricing quotes
3.Contact Room to Read, pending interest gauge in IC
4.Reach out to artisan makers for collabs

Additional Notes | その他の注意事項
The NERDSswithKEEBS Discord server has been set up to make keeping track of this project, as well as others in the pipeline, easier. To become a NERD: https://discord.gg/Yr4nf52
Or, if you belong to the school of thought that believes a picture says a thousand words, give @NERDSwithKEEBS a follow on Instagram.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Looking for VENDORS)
« Reply #75 on: Thu, 20 August 2020, 19:18:48 »
Really liking the simplicity.  I'm going for the alphas and 40s most likely.
Also interested in a deskmat.
Praying that an EU vendor comes. 

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Looking for VENDORS)
« Reply #76 on: Thu, 20 August 2020, 23:31:11 »
The Japanese you used for the packaging is wrong, my friend.

シンプルで洗練されたのデザイン The use of の in this sentence is wrong. Did you use an automatic translator? That's one of the problems that machines often get wrong.

シンプルで洗練されたデザイン This is what happens if you write this sentence correctly. I hope it helps you  ;)

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Looking for VENDORS)
« Reply #77 on: Fri, 21 August 2020, 00:04:10 »
The Japanese you used for the packaging is wrong, my friend.

シンプルで洗練されたのデザイン The use of の in this sentence is wrong. Did you use an automatic translator? That's one of the problems that machines often get wrong.

シンプルで洗練されたデザイン This is what happens if you write this sentence correctly. I hope it helps you  ;)

Really like this project! I saw that too, and it also made me start to wonder about the name of the set, and by extension, the two only novelties for 無銘 in the alphas kit. I didn't want to come off rude in case this was actually what kanji you wanted to use, but  無銘 means "unsigned" while 無名, which is what first came to mind when i saw the words KAT MUMEI, means "nameless" which i feel sorta fits more with the idea that Muji inspires, "無印" being "unmarked/brand-less" from 無印良品. I only bring this up because it affects the novelties and just want to make sure this was your intent.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Looking for VENDORS)
« Reply #78 on: Sat, 06 February 2021, 22:37:24 »
Hope this runs eventually even if it's in 2022.

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘 (Looking for VENDORS)
« Reply #79 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 08:28:59 »
No extra B in the Spacebars kit for Alice boards?

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘
« Reply #80 on: Thu, 08 April 2021, 04:33:58 »
The Japanese you used for the packaging is wrong, my friend.

シンプルで洗練されたのデザイン The use of の in this sentence is wrong. Did you use an automatic translator? That's one of the problems that machines often get wrong.

シンプルで洗練されたデザイン This is what happens if you write this sentence correctly. I hope it helps you  ;)

Oooh thanks for that. Will change it in the next update. Haha at that point of time I was using one, but my study of Japanese has progressed to the point where I realize it's a mistake too. :D

No extra B in the Spacebars kit for Alice boards?

Thanks for catching that. It will be added in the next update.

Hope this runs eventually even if it's in 2022.

Oh, look out for it later this year. Maybe an announcement of sorts soon. ;)

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Re: [IC] KAT MUMEI | キャット無銘
« Reply #81 on: Sat, 10 April 2021, 07:40:24 »
so glad to see that this is still in the works!! i love muji so much lol

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« Reply #82 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 09:51:24 »
so glad to see that this is still in the works!! i love muji so much lol
Hehe thanks Av! All the best with SA Ramses this week!

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