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Offline Hedgey

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PLEASE MOVE ALL CONVERSATION OVER TO THE GB THREAD

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114413.0

Please fill out the new IC Form below.  Even if you filled out the first one, this is a much better gauge for me.
https://forms.gle/gUGY5Gf77aRSkmDH6

UPDATE 08/20: New proto is built as you can see at the bottom of this post.  Very happy with the end results!  GB Date is OFFICIALLY September 1st run on Aeternus.co and Prototypist.net for US and EU/ASIA buyers. 

Oceanographer is a Premium, 45% layout keyboard that is heavily influenced by 2 of my favorite boards; The Pearl and The Minivan.  Oceanographer is an homage to both boards, being that the Pearl coming from the Oyster and the Minivan and related boards being about travel, it was fitting that this board be named Oceanographer.

I’ve been tinkering with the idea of mashing up the Pearl and the Minivan for a really long time.  I love the form factor of the Pearl and the weight, and at the same time, I think the Minivan layout is one of the most efficient and intuitive of any 40/45% layouts currently on the market.  So I finally got enough motivation to download fusion and learn and teach myself the program, as well as get help from fellow users to design my own board.  With the blessing of both Evan and Koobaczech I went ahead plowed through the design phase. 

I knew I wanted a very large brass weight.  Outside of the Pearl and Cajal, there aren’t too many 40’s that have a large brass weight.  However I wanted this one to be different from your standard weight.  I knew I needed it to be unique and stand out, and I enlisted the help of /u/meatsmoothies for artwork to add.  She came up with a fantastic version of a ship on the waves of the ocean and sent it over to me.  I couldn’t be more pleased and we were able to fill a ton of negative space that is always on brass weights on other boards.  On the inside is the name of the board as well just to give it a further unique touch.  (Please note that “FSTS” will not be on any of the boards going forward.  It was only for those that participated in the prototype run.)

Next up I knew I wanted to have an extra column of keys and an arrow blocker similar to a 65% board.  However after going back and forth with /u/KnobleesOblige, we realized we could put both a rotary encoder and an OLED in that column and moved forward with that design change instead of some additional keys. 

When we finally got to the PCB, we included 3 indicator LEDs for layers or other functions, and a speaker similar to the one on the Plank.  This PCB is also a Diode-less STM32 that was designed by /u/KnobleesOblige and features ESD protection.

All of this, plus some additional background work rewarded us with a feature rich, 45% premium board. 

Oceanographers Feature List:

* Minivan Inspired Layout with Multiple Bottom Row Options (1.75U Backspace)
* 2 Piece Aluminum Case
* 3 Degree Typing Angle
* .5U Blocker to separate arrow keys
* Top Mount
* Brass Plate
* Large Brass Weight with artwork by Brooke
* Ship Wheel Engraving on Backside Top
* STM32 Diode-Less PCB with ESD protection designed by Taylor
* USB-C
* Rotary Encoder
* OLED Screen
* Speaker
* Indicator LEDS between Q, W, and E similar to the Minivan

Layout Options



One of my biggest pet peeves is getting renders of a product and then when you order it and receive it, the product is not what you expected.  We’ve been working on this board for nearly 8 months now and ordered prototypes about 3 months ago.  The reason we are just now moving to IC on Reddit, Geekhack, and other sites is that I wanted prototypes in hand before showing to the rest of the community.  It was incredibly important to me to have an actual product in hand so you can see exactly what you will be getting.  Yes it cost money to do a small run of protos, and yes it delayed the IC for a few months, but we felt it necessary to take the time, money, and effort for the results we wanted.  This helps stop delays between an initial IC and then waiting on the GB runner to get prototypes months down the road before starting the GB.  We’ve done the legwork on the back end so you as an end user won’t have to wait additional months. 

So without further adieu, here is the album of prototypes:

https://imgur.com/a/U96EaXM

What’s next for this process?

Start GB

The Biggest thanks in the world go out to a few people for the help and advice along the way!

u/KnoblesseOblige - Man has the patience of a saint. Seriously. I couldn't have done any of this without him, and he has helped excel my knowledge of Fusion 360, tenfold. I also wouldn't have a PCB without him painstakingly routing and building a PCB for this board. He’s also taken on the task of getting the manufacturer, communicating, and ordering prototypes and receiving them as well as being an overall design leader for this project.  I'm so thankful for all of his input, direction, and ideas as well as late night discord streams throughout this process over the last 8 months or so. You rock my man!

/u/meatsmoothies - Artwork for the weight and back of the case done by her. It's unique, breaks the mold and I really love the entire use of the weight instead of just a name on it. You have been very flexible and timely, and for that I'm very grateful!

/u/dingusxmcgee_- Renders. Renders. Renders. Always doing them on the fly and helping me out, you rock and it's much appreciated as always!

/u/Factoryofidols - The idea and hype man who's also been there since I came to him with my layout. He has provided excellent feedback and thoughts, and also been part of many late night streams on design and working through different parts of this board since inception.

u/Koobaczech and /u/Evangs - For your blessings and encouragement to actually make this idea into a reality. 2 of my favorite boards come together in a mashup that has been a dream to actually produce.  Also thank you for being in the prototype run as I’m honored that you love the design as much as I do!


FAQ

  • How much will this board cost? - A full base kit will be $350 USD.  Any add-ons such as extra PCBs, or plates will be available at an additional cost.
  • What is included in the Base kit? - Case in your color choice, Brass and FR4 Plates, Brass Weight, PCB, Rotary Encoder, Rotary Knob, OLED and additional case hardware.
  • How much does this board weigh? - Fully built just over 5lbs with switches and keycaps.  With GMK Keycaps one prototype weighed in at 5.05lbs.
  • Will this board have RGB? - No.  I wanted this board to be more “elegant” and as such we left RGB off this version.
  • Will Ortho be available? - No. The 1.75U backspace makes this a little more difficult and we don’t plan on this being available at this time.
  • Will there be custom knobs available in the GB? - Yes, they will be $10 USD each and colors will be finalized shortly.
  • What colors will be available? - Jet Black, Ocean Blue, Rose Gold, Forest Green, and Ursula Purple
  • What Plate Options are available? - Brass and FR4 will be the only options during GB.  After the GB ships to the buyers we will post the plate files for you to have other options available to source on your own such as aluminum, copper, etc...
  • What Keycap Compatibility will I need for this? - Any Base + 40’s kit that includes a 1.75U backspace will fit this board.
  • Will there be any limited editions or founders editions? - No.  I hate the idea of falsely inflating supply/demand due to special editions.  The only “Founders Editions” are those that were in the prototype run and they have a small designation on the weight to signify that.
  • What Vendor are you using? - Aeternus Decorum and Prototypist
  • Will you be using proxies? - Yes. Please see above.

Thank you for looking at this IC and I am excited to hear your feedback and thoughts.  This has been a long time coming for me and I’m excited to share my design with all of you.

-Hedgey
« Last Edit: Wed, 01 September 2021, 10:22:49 by Hedgey »
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Abso... lutely


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Alright, formatting should be fixed now.  GH is a pain to work with sometimes haha.
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Big up my man Hedgey, lovely board dude!

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Beautiful board. Very nice blue prototype, red would be cool too.

Will it be a limited run? FCFS, raffle? Hoping to get one.

edit: filled IC.
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Yes please :)

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Beautiful board. Very nice blue prototype, red would be cool too.

Will it be a limited run? FCFS, raffle? Hoping to get one.

Thank you!  We are considering red for sure.

We will be able to handle up to 300 units if need be.  So most likely just FCFS.
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 09:23:48 »
nice board, gamer

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 09:44:54 »
why you do this to me I am on a college budget. Fr though, I love this board. I will be coping this.

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 11:01:15 »
I want this as my first 40-5%, love the design.  Make this happen! :thumb: (IC submitted - saw this on Reddit as well)

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 11:12:23 »
treeleaf approved but not approved at the same time because 45% is too little for me
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 11:56:57 »
Hoping the units quantity is enough just so that people that really have been hyped for this can be sure to get their hands on this beauty


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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 12:31:16 »
Hoping the units quantity is enough just so that people that really have been hyped for this can be sure to get their hands on this beauty


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I think we'll have plenty.  We are planning to be able to handle up to 300 if necessary. 
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 12:38:46 »
This looks damn good.
Expensive plastic makes me sigh.

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 12:58:02 »
hi will this keyset be compatible with minivan

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 14:19:09 »
I would like this please

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 14:38:12 »
First of all, congrats, this looks looks really nice and the inclusion of that little knob elevates it above some of its competitors in field.
1. I’d love to buy one, please don’t make this super limited in numbers, that would be disappointing; you’ve worked so hard for this you might as well make it available to a larger audience.
2. Red and navy blue would be awesome Color additions.
3. Cool art on the brass piece.
Congrats and good luck on the whole GB, I know I’ll be there trying to obtain one when the time comes!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 14:54:17 »
First of all, congrats, this looks looks really nice and the inclusion of that little knob elevates it above some of its competitors in field.
1. I’d love to buy one, please don’t make this super limited in numbers, that would be disappointing; you’ve worked so hard for this you might as well make it available to a larger audience.
2. Red and navy blue would be awesome Color additions.
3. Cool art on the brass piece.
Congrats and good luck on the whole GB, I know I’ll be there trying to obtain one when the time comes!

Thank you, Mr.Chan! 

I don't anticipate us necessarily reaching our limit on what we'll have available yet.  We'll see as time goes on, but we have plenty of room and I think everyone who wants it should be able to get in on the GB. 

Definitely considering Red and Navy as colors originally, and more and more people keep asking for them, so that's a good thing. 
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 17:48:14 »
I'm a 100% down for this. 210% down.  I've been wanting a minivan or a pearl.   Keep me updated.

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 17:59:08 »
I'm a 100% down for this. 210% down.  I've been wanting a minivan or a pearl.   Keep me updated.

I saw your IC form response and glad Koob sent you my way.  I'll definitely be updating on all platforms.  Thanks for the feedback too!
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 18:03:09 »
cool!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 19:24:00 »
Oddly drawn to this.
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 25 November 2020, 03:26:48 »
commented on the r/mk post, but I'll add it here as well.

Are there any options for ISO? (I know, ISO enter on a 45%... I must be mad)

Also, can the 2 space keys be separated to put a 1u key between them?

Here is an example of what I am talking about:



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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 25 November 2020, 03:42:20 »
commented on the r/mk post, but I'll add it here as well.

Are there any options for ISO? (I know, ISO enter on a 45%... I must be mad)

Also, can the 2 space keys be separated to put a 1u key between them?

Here is an example of what I am talking about:

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ISO won't work, this board is standard stagger, not 0.25 stagger like you showed it to be in your KLE.
ISO is 1.5 top and 1.25u bottom, this would require a iso of 1.75 top and 1.5 bottom.

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 25 November 2020, 03:53:08 »
Maybe I finally have use for all the minify gmk kits I have chosen to add to the shopping carts just in case I someday find a real nice 40% board for me. This might be it

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 25 November 2020, 04:02:43 »
Can the 4 x 1u layout on the bottom left have the option that shift to 1.25+1.5+1.25 like Minivan? I think its more easy to control and accessible for modifiers.


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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 27 November 2020, 17:18:18 »
Can the 4 x 1u layout on the bottom left have the option that shift to 1.25+1.5+1.25 like Minivan? I think its more easy to control and accessible for modifiers.


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Let me look into that and see if we can make some small adjustments.

Thanks!
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 27 November 2020, 20:46:03 »
Never used a 45% before (in fact, even 60%) but the inclusion of arrow keys and the lovely design (and heft) is talking to me. Can I ask what the height of the front lip is? Also, is 3 degrees typing angle comfortable, given that most keyboards are in the 5 to 9 degree range?

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #32 on: Sat, 28 November 2020, 10:01:12 »
if you were to do a later version of this with a number row I would be first in line  :eek: :thumb: ;D

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #33 on: Sat, 28 November 2020, 12:05:10 »
Never used a 45% before (in fact, even 60%) but the inclusion of arrow keys and the lovely design (and heft) is talking to me. Can I ask what the height of the front lip is? Also, is 3 degrees typing angle comfortable, given that most keyboards are in the 5 to 9 degree range?

I will have to double check, but I believe the height of the front lip is around 22mm.  We wanted it tall, but not too tall to be uncomfortable.  I have found that 3 degrees is a nice middle ground between a flat board and something more aggressive like 5 to 9 degrees.  Not as much strain on your wrists if you don't float them as much as you should. 
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 30 November 2020, 09:51:03 »
I am adding O-Rings to the base kit so that if you want to make your board a Burger Style Mount you can and soften the typing experience a bit more.
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 30 November 2020, 10:43:05 »
Uff this thing is a beaut. Will def try to snag one!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 02 December 2020, 13:01:14 »
Uff this thing is a beaut. Will def try to snag one!

Thank you so much!  Hopefully some more updates soon as we had over 330 responses to the IC form.  :)
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - A premium, feature rich 45% with OLED and Rotary Encoder
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 02 December 2020, 16:25:56 »
Absolutely gorgeous board, will definitely try and get one!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 04 December 2020, 15:53:08 »
UPDATE 12/04:
  • Please Fill out the new IC form  https://forms.gle/sp63pBQTY958N9QA9
  • Group Buy Starts on February 1st.  It will close on February 15th or if we reach 300 boards purchased.  Whichever happens first.
  • Group buy will be run through Aeternus Decorum https://store.aeternus.co/
  • Price for the Base kit is $350 (This includes Case, Brass Weight, Brass Plate, FR4 Plate, PCB with Speaker and SMD Indicator LEDs, OLED, Rotary Encoder, Aluminum knob, and Case Hardware)
  • Color Options will be: Black, Blue (As seen in the proto pictures), Dark Green, Purple, and Rose Gold
  • Extra PCBs will be available for purchase along with extra hardware like OLEDs or Rotary Encoders
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #39 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 00:05:22 »
I really am digging the ocean theme of this board. I don't do 40's but this might be a cop from me.
 

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #40 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 00:06:45 »
February needs to come sooner...


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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #41 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 08:23:48 »
Really cool board. I assume your colors are set but, if you are still considering others, I think a dark red would be awesome.

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #42 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 12:42:23 »
This looks so great. Are you considering a Round 2 if this hits off well?

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #43 on: Sat, 05 December 2020, 19:09:27 »
Really cool board. I assume your colors are set but, if you are still considering others, I think a dark red would be awesome.

From over 350 initial responses the request for red was pretty low unfortunately.  I think I only saw about 5 instances.  So for now we are set on colors, and this is just to gauge interest on which is the most popular.

This looks so great. Are you considering a Round 2 if this hits off well?

I think it's too early for consideration of a Round 2 at this time.  This project has been in the works for 8 months now and while I haven't devoted a ton of time to it, I definitely want to take a break once we do the GB and get them shipped out to everyone. 

However that doesn't mean it isn't out of the question and that I am saying No by any means. 
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #44 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 16:34:03 »
This looks so great. Are you considering a Round 2 if this hits off well?

I think it's too early for consideration of a Round 2 at this time.  This project has been in the works for 8 months now and while I haven't devoted a ton of time to it, I definitely want to take a break once we do the GB and get them shipped out to everyone. 

However that doesn't mean it isn't out of the question and that I am saying No by any means.

Understandable, thank you for the response. I hope the GB goes well :)

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 07 December 2020, 00:24:37 »
40s arent for me but damn this is clean

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 07 December 2020, 09:24:19 »

Understandable, thank you for the response. I hope the GB goes well :)

Thank you!

40s arent for me but damn this is clean

Hey man, much appreciated!
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 08 December 2020, 13:06:33 »
I am working with a vendor on custom resin knobs for the GB.  Please fill out the form if you are interested!

https://forms.gle/JjUzHYmsbs4U62cXA
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 16:40:46 »
Really looks great, I don't know how I feel about the price for such a small form factor, but I understand if it's low quantities I suppose. Would you be willing to make a top with symmetrical blockers, so one on left side?
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 00:33:04 »
Really looks great, I don't know how I feel about the price for such a small form factor, but I understand if it's low quantities I suppose. Would you be willing to make a top with symmetrical blockers, so one on left side?

Hey there!

Thanks for the feedback.  We feel the pricing is pretty in line with other 45% boards with the large weight and features offered.  Cajal was $400 for the base kit as far as I recall when it ran.

Right now I'm not looking at adding another top with symmetrical blockers but I can keep that in mind if we ever get to a round 2.

Thanks!
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 12 December 2020, 11:20:25 »
I like a lot the look and inspiration of this board. Very interesting the diode-less PCB.
If possible make renders or photos available of the other color options before the GB.
Can't wait to see what knob options become available, just filled the IC form.
Will definitely try to get one on February, my wallet does not appreciate it.

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 05:04:01 »
It has a speaker?

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 11:18:02 »
Loving the design. Hoping to see a red colour option. Even if not I will be picking this up come February!

Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 17:42:23 »
Logically, I should not be as much of a fan of this board as I am, but holy crap this is nice.

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #54 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:06:32 »
It has a speaker?

Yup!  Same speaker that is in the Planks!

Loving the design. Hoping to see a red colour option. Even if not I will be picking this up come February!

Thanks!  Unfortunately there was not a lot of interest for Red so we omitted at this time. 
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 13:55:23 »
Ah no worries! Still super excited to get one in one of the offered colours.

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 17:33:05 »
I love this design, a whole lot.  Do you have a example of the pantone you are using for the dark green or/and  purple?  I am hung up on my answer on the IC, and I am just going to fill in black, but I may like the green or purple depending of the pantone.

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 15 December 2020, 07:43:53 »
I assume it is too late, but any chance for a polycarb case?

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #58 on: Tue, 15 December 2020, 08:41:22 »
I love this design, a whole lot.  Do you have a example of the pantone you are using for the dark green or/and  purple?  I am hung up on my answer on the IC, and I am just going to fill in black, but I may like the green or purple depending of the pantone.

Yeah we'll be posting once we confirm the purple and green.  We want the green to be more along a forest green for sure.  Purple if possible a nice deep one as well.  But we'll get sample pics before the GB.

I assume it is too late, but any chance for a polycarb case?

Unfortunately not at this time.  We just didn't have enough interest from the beginning.
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 20 December 2020, 15:22:19 »
When the GB happens is there going to be any limit to how many of each colour can be ordered or is it just till the 300 limit?
  

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #60 on: Sun, 20 December 2020, 19:04:41 »
When the GB happens is there going to be any limit to how many of each colour can be ordered or is it just till the 300 limit?

Hey there!

Right now just the 300 limit.  If you're interested in purchasing more than 1, you can always direct message me here, or on Discord/Reddit and we can talk. My user name is the same across all of them.
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #61 on: Sat, 02 January 2021, 11:14:07 »
Lovingggg this layout - very keen. Sorry if this is a total newb question - is it safe to assume the PCB is QMK/Via compatible?

Good luck with this and subject to the question above, i'll be copping.

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 04 January 2021, 12:26:02 »
Too late to ask for an e-white option?  :'(

Lovely design, I'll admit I forgot about this project through the Holidays.

Will likely try to hop on board!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 05 January 2021, 12:06:13 »
Lovingggg this layout - very keen. Sorry if this is a total newb question - is it safe to assume the PCB is QMK/Via compatible?

Good luck with this and subject to the question above, i'll be copping.

Hey there, yes the PCB is/will be QMK and VIA Compatible.

Too late to ask for an e-white option?  :'(

Lovely design, I'll admit I forgot about this project through the Holidays.

Will likely try to hop on board!

Unfortunately we just didn't get enough response to go with E-White this time.  However I know a few people will be getting custom cerakote options done to go with a white or other color.  (Myself included)
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 06 January 2021, 08:52:23 »
Lovingggg this layout - very keen. Sorry if this is a total newb question - is it safe to assume the PCB is QMK/Via compatible?

Good luck with this and subject to the question above, i'll be copping.

Hey there, yes the PCB is/will be QMK and VIA Compatible.

Too late to ask for an e-white option?  :'(

Lovely design, I'll admit I forgot about this project through the Holidays.

Will likely try to hop on board!

Unfortunately we just didn't get enough response to go with E-White this time.  However I know a few people will be getting custom cerakote options done to go with a white or other color.  (Myself included)

Nice! Is that something I can reach out to you about directly?

Also, will there be renders of the dark green option before the GB, by any chance?

Thanks mate!  ;D

 

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 07 January 2021, 02:43:19 »
^^ yes I would be interested in custom white cerakote as well


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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 07 January 2021, 14:48:52 »
Are there any renders of the other colors?

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 11 January 2021, 11:54:40 »
Are there any renders of the other colors?

We're going to have color sample pics soon from the factory.  Unfortunately the holidays took a lot of wind out of our sails (pun intended) on momentum the last few weeks.
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 18 January 2021, 14:46:00 »
Yo I love this board! I grew up on the coast in a area that was a pretty big staple in tall ship building/racing back in the day so this is a must have for me!

Is there a discord I could join?

Great IC btw, good luck!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #69 on: Sun, 24 January 2021, 00:48:50 »
Yo I love this board! I grew up on the coast in a area that was a pretty big staple in tall ship building/racing back in the day so this is a must have for me!

Is there a discord I could join?

Great IC btw, good luck!

Hey There, sorry I haven't checked GH in a long time.  I have a channel in the 40's discord. 
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 26 January 2021, 08:53:09 »
UPDATE:  GB is being pushed back a few weeks to allow for the 2nd round of prototypes to be manu'd and delivered.
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 26 January 2021, 12:50:36 »
Damn, delay is a blessing! I was fearing my budget was too tight for this in Feb.

Maybe now we'll get to see some green before the GB after all?  ;D

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 26 January 2021, 17:43:49 »
i have to agree that the delay actually ends up working out well for me. This wouldn't have fit my budget but now I may be able to find room for it!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #73 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 04:06:20 »
Any updates on predicted GB timing?
  

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #74 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 15:45:20 »
Any updates on predicted GB timing?

Hey there.  We were waiting for CNY to finish up, and then we can order our 2nd prototype.  I would venture a guess that April/May timeframe for the GB at this point.  I am hoping that the 2nd round protos (only 2 of them) won't take very long.
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #75 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 18:05:09 »
IC response submitted.
Not having tried the 40% form factor before, and being a big fan of full-sized keyboards, this will be a bit of a stretch. But simply from a design perspective this is an absolutely compelling keyboard to me.
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #76 on: Fri, 19 February 2021, 12:41:41 »
Yes, so cute!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #77 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 08:55:52 »
Looks awesome. Love the weight design, protos look fantastic.

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 15 March 2021, 14:06:49 »
I am awaiting to send in the updated designs for R2 of the prototype to the factory.  We've tightened up all the clearances and made adjustments based on the feedback of the 9 other prototype owners, and those done on stream as well.  GB is pushing back to May timeframe for now.
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 15 March 2021, 14:32:19 »
Nice! Thanks for the update!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #80 on: Mon, 15 March 2021, 15:07:00 »
I love the fact that this little board has arrow keys. I need arrow keys! I have been looking for a use case to use DSS Honeywell on, and this may just be it. Hope the shipping costs to Europe will not be too outrageous... Keep up the great work!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #81 on: Mon, 15 March 2021, 23:52:50 »
I love the fact that this little board has arrow keys. I need arrow keys! I have been looking for a use case to use DSS Honeywell on, and this may just be it. Hope the shipping costs to Europe will not be too outrageous... Keep up the great work!

Most likely we're having a UK Vendor/Proxy just for that need.
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #82 on: Sun, 21 March 2021, 22:21:38 »
Amazing board! Would love if you could make a navy or white color. Thanks.  :)

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #83 on: Thu, 01 April 2021, 21:18:30 »
Only driver that I've wanted this year.  Waiting patiently

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #84 on: Wed, 28 April 2021, 08:02:45 »
Only driver that I've wanted this year.  Waiting patiently

Appreciate the patience.  R2 of the protos were ordered last week, and will be here at the end of May.  We're going to move very quickly once the new protos arrive, so pay attention. 
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Vendor, GB Dates, Colors, and Pricing Announced!
« Reply #85 on: Wed, 28 April 2021, 08:03:45 »
ooooo this looks nice. Well done!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - GB Dates being Updated, New Protos Ordered!
« Reply #86 on: Wed, 28 April 2021, 15:34:24 »
Phenomenal work. If I were ever going to buy a 40-ish% board, this would be it. (Sadly, I am never going to buy a 40-ish% board.)

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - GB Dates being Updated, New Protos Ordered!
« Reply #87 on: Thu, 29 April 2021, 01:32:19 »
Think this will be my first 40! As someone who loves the ocean, this speaks to me on another level :) Can't wait for the GB!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - GB Dates being Updated, New Protos Ordered!
« Reply #88 on: Thu, 29 April 2021, 12:13:19 »
I was just telling myself i didnt need another board....

I dont have a 40 yet...

**Wallet starts crying**

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - GB Dates being Updated, New Protos Ordered!
« Reply #89 on: Mon, 03 May 2021, 17:47:08 »
This is amazing!!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - GB Dates being Updated, New Protos Ordered!
« Reply #90 on: Tue, 29 June 2021, 13:30:31 »
Is this project still on track for an early July GB?

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - GB Dates being Updated, New Protos Ordered!
« Reply #91 on: Tue, 29 June 2021, 15:16:25 »
Is this project still on track for an early July GB?

I don't think so. Hedgey said that global manufacturing delays also affect this group buy. The most recent developments are the coming arrival of a second prototype and news on the available colors. You can check the 40s discord #Oceanographer channel for a bit more lively conversation. Hedgey also said that he will soon update this thread with a new GB date
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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - GB Dates being Updated, New Protos Ordered!
« Reply #92 on: Tue, 06 July 2021, 23:33:58 »
Is this project still on track for an early July GB?

I don't think so. Hedgey said that global manufacturing delays also affect this group buy. The most recent developments are the coming arrival of a second prototype and news on the available colors. You can check the 40s discord #Oceanographer channel for a bit more lively conversation. Hedgey also said that he will soon update this thread with a new GB date

Thank you for the update!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - GB Dates being Updated, New Protos Ordered!
« Reply #93 on: Tue, 06 July 2021, 23:42:09 »
Good day @Hedgie, I thought I missed your GB, I'll be in for at least 1!

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Official GB Dates, Vendors, and Colors Finalized!!
« Reply #94 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 11:16:33 »
BIG UPDATE BUMP!!  LETS GO!!!

1. Please fill out the new IC Form below.  Even if you filled out the first one, this is a much better gauge for me.
https://forms.gle/gUGY5Gf77aRSkmDH6

2. Group buy will be run through Aeternus Decorum for North America and Prototypist for EU/ASIA.
https://store.aeternus.co/
https://prototypist.net/

3. Group Buy Starts on September 1st.  It will close on September 17th.  There is an undisclosed limit due to resources available and we reserve the right to close the GB earlier than the projected end date.

4. Price for the Base kit is $350 USD (This includes Case, Brass Weight, Brass Plate, FR4 Plate, PCB with Speaker and SMD Indicator LEDs, OLED, Rotary Encoder, Aluminum knob, and Case Hardware)

5. Color Options will be below and you can see the samples in the IC form:  Jet Black, Ocean Blue, Forest Green, Rose Gold, Ursula Purple

6. Extra PCBs will be available for purchase along with extra hardware like OLEDs or Rotary Encoders

7. Custom Resin Knobs will be offered during the GB at $10 USD.  I am finalizing colors, patterns, and those will be available to view at GB announcement.

8. If you are interested in purchasing more than 1 board, please PM me directly so we can discuss specifics.

So without further adieu, here is the album of the first version of the prototypes.  There were no major visual changes on the exterior, and the only highlight of note is the blue in this album is not the blue in the GB.

https://imgur.com/a/U96EaXM

Previous ICs for Reference

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/k8hq2u/ic_oceanographer_vendor_group_buy_dates_colors/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/k061ay/ic_oceanographer_a_premium_feature_rich_45_with/

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Official GB Dates, Vendors, and Colors Finalized!!
« Reply #95 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 14:34:06 »
wow, that brass weight is amazing!
      

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Official GB Dates, Vendors, and Colors Finalized!!
« Reply #96 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 15:44:48 »
wow, that brass weight is amazing!

Thank you!  I can only take partial credit as it was designed by a good friend. 
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Offline surplusofchairs

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Official GB Dates, Vendors, and Colors Finalized!!
« Reply #97 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 16:20:11 »
excited for this! enjoyed watching you build it on twitch

Offline Krolyk

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Official GB Dates, Vendors, and Colors Finalized!!
« Reply #98 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 18:54:55 »
Can't wait for this.

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Re: [IC] Oceanographer - Official GB Dates, Vendors, and Colors Finalized!!
« Reply #99 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 16:29:46 »
excited for this! enjoyed watching you build it on twitch

Can't wait for this.

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Thank you guys! 11 days!
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