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« Reply #150 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 23:44:57 »
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I plan to use 1.5x modifiers from cherry so I need 7x wide stabilizer for the spacebar how about the other 4 keys all 1.5x stabilizers?

Does that sound right?

What are costar stabilizers?

There are no stabilizers for 1.5X keys, only 2X and wider. Cherry (and Costar) stabilizers are the same for 2X (backspace, ISO enter) 2.25X (ANSI enter, ANSI left shift) 2.75X (ANSI and ISO right shift) There are different stabilizer widths for both 7X and 6.25X spacebars. See these images from the key reference wiki
http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21762&d=1311287150
http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21629&d=1311214560
http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=16275&d=1300727496
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« Reply #151 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 23:49:09 »
PrinsValium, you are up already!  Good morning.  Hum, I think 7bit needs to change the stabilizer order codes.  We have currently on 2x and 4x stabilizers listed and the spacebar ones.

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« Reply #152 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 02:44:16 »
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PrinsValium, you are up already!  Good morning.  Hum, I think 7bit needs to change the stabilizer order codes.  We have currently on 2x and 4x stabilizers listed and the spacebar ones.


In my pricelist, I've got 2, 4, 6.25, 7 and 10 units. This should be enough!.
Here is the latest list:

PHANTOM..........36
PHANSICLEARKIT....1

37 for now. If we'd order today, we should get 40 at least!

TEENSY...........26
PH7BIT............7
PHANSI...........18
PHANSIWIN.........8
PHISO.............1
PHISOWIN..........4
DIODE..........1490
MXBLACK.........565
MXBLUE...........93
MXBROWN.........153
MXCLEAR.........668
MXDARKBLUE........3
MXGREEN..........14
MXGREY............8
MXRED...........485
STAB200..........32
STAB625...........2
STAB700...........8
CASE..............6
PHANTOMFUN........3
SOLDERING.........4

We are still a bit off with the switches, but this should not stop us.

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« Reply #153 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 04:55:56 »
Hmmm, could use a board with short left shift + <> key (from ISO) and long enter key + |\ key (from ANSI), but I suspect there might not be much interest in this.

And finding french Cherry DS keys is a pain...

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« Reply #154 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 05:35:37 »
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PrinsValium, you are up already!  Good morning.  Hum, I think 7bit needs to change the stabilizer order codes.  We have currently on 2x and 4x stabilizers listed and the spacebar ones.

Early? I've got this stupid PCB design to finish, no time for sleeping... Just kidding, everything is under control =D The cats and my flat mate were having breakfast, and my stomach was growling for food. Probably should have gone back to bed after that..

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« Reply #155 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 10:44:08 »
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Hmmm, could use a board with short left shift + <> key (from ISO) and long enter key + |\ key (from ANSI), but I suspect there might not be much interest in this.


I actually thought about this yesterday. So I'm definitely interested.
My thoughts also went in the other direction, ANSI left shift with ISO enter. That would also be interesting.

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« Reply #156 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 10:48:34 »
Got a red keyboard coming in, gonna have to try it before I decide on blue or red switches!

Any due date for ordering yet? I know it's soon but how soon!

So i need 1 7x (Cherry Space Bar) and 4 2x stabilizers (ANSI enter, backspace, ANSI left shift, ANSI right shift)
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« Reply #157 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 10:51:00 »
Got a red keyboard coming in, gonna have to try it before I decide on blue or red switches!

Any due date for ordering yet? I know it's soon but how soon!
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« Reply #158 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 11:13:56 »
Quote from: tsangan;447986
Got a red keyboard coming in, gonna have to try it before I decide on blue or red switches!

Any due date for ordering yet? I know it's soon but how soon!

So i need 1 7x (Cherry Space Bar) and 4 2x stabilizers (ANSI enter, backspace, ANSI left shift, ANSI right shift)


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« Reply #159 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 11:26:30 »
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You've got 40 minutes left!
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« Reply #160 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 11:35:24 »
You have 127 minutes.  With 7 bits, he can only count up to 127!  LOL!

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« Reply #161 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 14:10:04 »
I am confused on which STAB I should buy. whats the difference between the 200 and the 700, sorry if i missed where it was differentiated.

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« Reply #162 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 14:14:07 »
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I am confused on which STAB I should buy. whats the difference between the 200 and the 700, sorry if i missed where it was differentiated.
From what I gathered from lister and PrinsValium you need

STAB700 if you're using a cherry corp space bar
STAB625 if you're using a filco/leopold space bar
STAB200 for backspace, ISO enter, ANSI enter, ANSI left shift, ANSI and ISO right shift
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« Reply #163 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 14:17:09 »
Quote from: slueth;448102
I am confused on which STAB I should buy. whats the difference between the 200 and the 700, sorry if i missed where it was differentiated.


Get the 7BIT layout and never ever worry about stabilisers again!

The advantages:
- No stabilisers necessary.
- Key caps can be removed without to fear ripping out the stabilisers.
- All key positions can be covered in the correct size with sphericals, without leaving dangerous gaps between keys!
- You get 99 keys instead of only 86 somethin'.
- You don't have a rediculously large anachronistic space bar, just a modern 1.5 units space bar at the position of your choice!


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« Reply #164 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 14:20:49 »
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I am confused on which STAB I should buy. whats the difference between the 200 and the 700, sorry if i missed where it was differentiated.



Assuming you're getting an ANSI kit:

The 200s should fit the long ANSI keys (backspace, enter, both shifts), so you would need 4.
Depending on what space bar you want to use, you would get either the 700 or the 625. The 700 is the right size for the longer Cherry Corp. spacebars that go with the 1.5 modifiers, and (I think) that the 625 matches up with the spacebars that go along with the modern 1.25 sized modifiers.

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« Reply #165 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 19:14:43 »
I almost got the 7bit layout. The only reason I don't like it is hat I don't think it'd be too easy to find keys for it if I don't want those weird modifiers. Super? hyper? meta? Alt? control? there's too many!

Though on the plus side, I'd never be out of easy to reach macro keys.

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« Reply #166 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 19:17:36 »
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I almost got the 7bit layout. The only reason I don't like it is hat I don't think it'd be too easy to find keys for it if I don't want those weird modifiers. Super? hyper? meta? Alt? control? there's too many!

Though on the plus side, I'd never be out of easy to reach macro keys.

All of those modifiers exist in 7bit's modifier packs.
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« Reply #167 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 19:56:11 »
Keep the orders coming!  You know you want one!

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« Reply #168 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 19:58:34 »
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Keep the orders coming!  You know you want one!

Give me a realistic estimate, if I were to have someone else put it together for me, of the price of doing a full Phantom. Math is not my strong suite.
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« Reply #169 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 20:06:26 »
I think we have enough order to get it lower than the original forecast of $350-$400.  I hope it will eventually be closer to $200 + labor if you need someone else to put it together for you (without a case).  Contact alaricljs for assembly service: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23632-Phantom-Custom-Keyboard-Assembly-Service

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« Reply #170 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 20:08:30 »
Hmmm okay; I will have to mull over this whole mega-cost thing for awhile to see if I can trick myself into blowing such a large amount on a kit-keyboard.
I like my Browns more than my Blues.

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« Reply #171 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 20:18:08 »
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All of those modifiers exist in 7bit's modifier packs.

But I don't want super/meta/hyper/uber/etc modifiers!

Ugh, I'm getting a set of sphericals anyway. Might as well go all out, add 10 more switces to my order, change the plate, and add the modifiers to 7bit's GB.

Maybe I'll do it later, If I remember.

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« Reply #172 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 23:10:10 »
I am defintly interested in 7bits layout but I have a few questions though. First, where would I find keycaps to fit all of the keys. Second, where would I find a case that would actually fit this layout? I know I can program the controller to do what ever i want but is there more in depth info on 7bit's layout?

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« Reply #173 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 07:51:12 »
7bit's layout is just additional keys/switches in the bottom row.  Since the outer edge of that area is unchanged from the original Filco design this will still fit in all the cases the other plates will fit.
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« Reply #174 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 07:52:45 »
What's the deal with the dark blue switches?

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« Reply #175 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 09:06:24 »
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What's the deal with the dark blue switches?
Apparently they're new or something (I brought it up earlier). no-one knows much for sure. (Except maybe Sixty)

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« Reply #176 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 10:55:21 »
Quote from: British;447902
Hmmm, could use a board with short left shift + <> key (from ISO) and long enter key + |\ key (from ANSI), but I suspect there might not be much interest in this.

And finding french Cherry DS keys is a pain...


Should be no problem. Get the ANSI version. In the horizontal direction it should be possible to have the key cutout a wbit wider to make it suitable for both versions of left Shift.

Quote from: dorkvader;448274
I almost got the 7bit layout. The only reason I don't like it is hat I don't think it'd be too easy to find keys for it if I don't want those weird modifiers. Super? hyper? meta? Alt? control? there's too many!

Though on the plus side, I'd never be out of easy to reach macro keys.



In every style of Round 4 you will get the keys you need! You can use those sqare, circle etc. keys if you don't like SUPER, HYPER, META etc.

Quote from: TheProfosist;448369
I am defintly interested in 7bits layout but I have a few questions though. First, where would I find keycaps to fit all of the keys. Second, where would I find a case that would actually fit this layout? I know I can program the controller to do what ever i want but is there more in depth info on 7bit's layout?


Again, Double shot replacements Round 4!

If you need extra keys, just ask!

The case: I will put it on a backplate and maybe cover the sides with wood. It does not require some top-cover, becuase there are only a few gaps between the keys.

On the other hand, if we can get a case for the normal version, you can cut away the section above the cursor T.

The controllers will be programmed such that all keys deliver useful keycodes.




Quote from: keyboardlover;448489
What's the deal with the dark blue switches?


They did only exist in my fantasy!

There exist dark blue switches, but these are quite ancient and no longer in production.

The dark blue ones ...
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« Reply #177 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 18:06:30 »
So it sounds like you won't be able to source the dark blue switches, right?

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« Reply #178 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 18:56:57 »
No, there will not be dark blue switches for spacebar switches.  Others colors should be available.

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« Reply #179 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 20:39:49 »
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In every style of Round 4 you will get the keys you need! You can use those sqare, circle etc. keys if you don't like SUPER, HYPER, META etc.
I thought the tenkeyless kit didn't come with any? I notice the standard one does, though.

Just in case, I added some spherical keys, and changed my order to a 7bit layout. I'm planning on setting it on an acrylic base, maybe with LED's. I don't think there'll be a top cover, as I rather like the look without, and there won't be much space to cover at all.

Heh, maybe I'll forgo the arrow keys, and add a ten-key to the side, there's enough space for one, and I can always use numlock to really use the arrow keys if I need.

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« Reply #180 on: Thu, 10 November 2011, 12:31:44 »
Alright screw the other layouts, I'm going with 7bit's

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« Reply #181 on: Thu, 10 November 2011, 12:59:12 »
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I thought the tenkeyless kit didn't come with any? I notice the standard one does, though.

Just in case, I added some spherical keys, and changed my order to a 7bit layout. I'm planning on setting it on an acrylic base, maybe with LED's. I don't think there'll be a top cover, as I rather like the look without, and there won't be much space to cover at all.

Heh, maybe I'll forgo the arrow keys, and add a ten-key to the side, there's enough space for one, and I can always use numlock to really use the arrow keys if I need.


Thanks a lot!

I added 2x circle and 2x diamond to the TENKLESS kits.

Quote from: slueth;449348
Alright screw the other layouts, I'm going with 7bit's


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« Reply #182 on: Thu, 10 November 2011, 14:26:10 »
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I haven't been following this.  If you just want to build a Filco clone what do you order to get ALL the parts?

Lol - this 7bit layout is wild!
(Attachment Link) 31506[/ATTACH]

TEENSY 1
PHANTOM 1
PHANSIWIN 1 (this is exactly the same format as the Filco)
Diodes 100

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« Reply #183 on: Thu, 10 November 2011, 14:31:12 »
Hi Ripster!  Thought you'd never show up here!

For a Filco clone, you need:
- Phantom PCB
- ANSIWIN mounting plate (uses 1.25x modifiers on the front row)
- a Teensy controller
- 4 2x stabilizers
- 1 6.25x stabilizer for spacebar
- 87 cherry switches
- as many diodes as you have switches + a few backups just in case, they are super cheap

Send a PM to PHANTOM here on GH with this message body:

TEENSY 1
PHANTOM 1
PHANSIWIN 1
DIODE 100
MXBLUE 90
STAB200
STAB625        
ripster@ripster.com

7bit has a Phantom ANSIWIN order code with stabilizers.  I can't find it at the moment.  But the list above is the same as ordering the full kit.

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« Reply #184 on: Thu, 10 November 2011, 15:29:09 »
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Hi Ripster!  Thought you'd never show up here!

...

7bit has a Phantom ANSIWIN order code with stabilizers.  I can't find it at the moment.  But the list above is the same as ordering the full kit.


You need one of these:
Code: [Select]

PHISOREDKIT     |  1|  125|-1|Teensy/PCB/ISO plate/MX red with stabs
PHISOCLEARKIT   |  1|  125|-1|Teensy/PCB/ISO plate/MX clear with stabs
PHISOBLACKKIT   |  1|  125|-1|Teensy/PCB/ISO plate/MX black with stabs

PHANSIREDKIT    |  1|  125|-1|Teensy/PCB/ANSI plate/MX red with stabs
PHANSICLEARKIT  |  1|  125|-1|Teensy/PCB/ANSI plate/MX clear with stabs<--- recommended
PHANSIBLACKKIT  |  1|  125|-1|Teensy/PCB/ANSI plate/MX black with stabs




The latest statistics:
Code: [Select]

PHANTOM..........38
PHANSICLEARKIT....1

TEENSY...........29

PH7BIT...........11<------yeah! I'm ahead of those lame ISO layouts!
PHANSI...........18
PHANSIWIN.........7
PHISO.............1
PHISOWIN..........4

DIODE..........1690

MXBLACK.........566<---- MOQ is 1600 maybe some people buy some more!
MXBLUE...........93<---- LOL!
MXBROWN.........253
MXCLEAR.........778<---- MOQ is 1600 maybe some people buy some more!
MXGREEN..........15<---- Maybe Mouser can help out with these
MXGREY............9<---- Maybe Mouser can help out with these
MXRED...........495<---- MOQ is still 1600 per switch type!

STAB200..........32<---- who needs stabilisers nowadays?
STAB625...........2<---- who needs stabilisers nowadays?
STAB700...........8<---- who needs stabilisers nowadays?

CASE..............6
PHANTOMFUN........5<--- few key caps, buy more in Round 4
SOLDERING.........4


I recommend to set a deadline.

This might help to bring the quantities up!
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« Reply #185 on: Thu, 10 November 2011, 15:36:32 »
Quote from: 7bit;449496
I recommend to set a deadline.

This might help to bring the quantities up!

You've changed, man.
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« Reply #186 on: Thu, 10 November 2011, 16:53:50 »
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You've changed, man.

LOL! And I also LOL every time I see the code 'PHANSI'.  I say 'FANCY' in my head!

For an update, BiNiaRiS is going to make 2 prototype mounting plates as soon as he receive seed money from the 3 of us.  Once the plate is made and checked, we will be ordering 2 PCBs so I can build a prototype Phantom to confirm everything is working before we order all the parts.

As for not getting enough switches for group buy, 7bit, do you want to start a dedicated Cherry switch group buy so we can combine all the switch orders to get to MOQ?
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« Reply #187 on: Thu, 10 November 2011, 18:29:51 »
If I get the 7Bit layout could I make all of the F keys available is I put switches in each spot? I was thinking a bit of a different layout since the Teensy can be programmed.

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« Reply #188 on: Thu, 10 November 2011, 18:59:37 »
yes, you can do that.  the Teeny source code will be available to everyone for customization.

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« Reply #189 on: Fri, 11 November 2011, 02:20:24 »
Can you guys ship to China or Taiwan? I have some friends who are interested in these.
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« Reply #190 on: Fri, 11 November 2011, 09:01:53 »
How do I change something on my order? I ordered 1 PH7BIT and 1 PHANSI but I think now I want 2 PH7BIT's.

thanks.

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« Reply #191 on: Fri, 11 November 2011, 09:58:15 »
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Can you guys ship to China or Taiwan? I have some friends who are interested in these.
Currently no.  If you are in the US or EU,  you can buy for them and we ship to you, then you ship to your friends.

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How do I change something on my order? I ordered 1 PH7BIT and 1 PHANSI but I think now I want 2 PH7BIT's.

thanks.
you can send in these:
PH7BIT 2
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« Reply #192 on: Fri, 11 November 2011, 11:19:58 »
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We are still a bit off with the switches, but this should not stop us.

What quantity of each switch is necessary to get the 60¢ price?

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« Reply #193 on: Fri, 11 November 2011, 11:24:08 »
http://www.onlinecomponents.com/parametricsearch/electromechanical_switches_switch-key.html?man=cherry%20electrical

This place seems to have switches also at a pretty decent price, but not as many choices
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« Reply #194 on: Fri, 11 November 2011, 11:36:55 »
I think minimum order is 1,600 switches for each color.

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« Reply #195 on: Fri, 11 November 2011, 11:50:47 »
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I think minimum order is 1,600 switches for each color.
Ah, thanks, I missed that in the report. I guess I'll put myself down for brown to encourage others, and switch to clear if necessary.

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« Reply #196 on: Fri, 11 November 2011, 12:14:31 »
Questions:

1) Why are the diodes necessary, I thought Teensey could make any board NKRO?

2) Could you include LEDS as an option to order? (I know this would require additional power such as another USB connector, but just checking if too late)

3) Is it too late to have special plate to pcb stability legs, as seen in Leopolds (I will post a pic to clarify what I mean). They make it much easier to mount the switches, and give the board much more strength. I believe Leos have 8 of these, but you could choose how many you wanted on this.

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« Reply #197 on: Fri, 11 November 2011, 12:49:54 »
Only 2 LEDs are needed.  I don't think power is an issue.  The PCB is already designed to take the capslock and scroll lock LEDs at the same locations as Filco.  They shouldn't be too expensive.  We will check to see if we can just include it in the diode order code.

I have not seen the inside of a Leo, so I don't know what you mean about stability legs.  My guess is that all the switches mounted on the plate and soldered to the PCB should be enough.

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« Reply #198 on: Fri, 11 November 2011, 13:13:57 »
Is the PHISOREDKIT is the same as
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TEENSY 1
PHANTOM 1
PHISO 1
MXRED 87

How wrong am I. What if I would like to have PHISOWIN could I get it as a kit (PHISOWINREDKIT)? also that doesn't include any diodes?

So my order might be something like this:
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PHISOWINREDKIT 1
PHISOWINCLEARKIT 1
MXBROWN 100
STAB200 6
stab625 2
DIODE 200
CASE 2

Oh the price already hurts my wallet :Cry:

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« Reply #199 on: Fri, 11 November 2011, 16:59:44 »
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Currently no.  If you are in the US or EU,  you can buy for them and we ship to you, then you ship to your friends.



You don't ship to rest of the world?
I just placed an order last week. Or should I wait and see?