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[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=115920.0][img width=400 height=120]https://i.imgur.com/J0haDWc.png[/img][/url]Offf man, this set is fire!
I hope to see some artisans collaborations. GLWIC
Set itself looks pretty nice! and the renders show off the idea in a very nice way.
In terms of the drama, we just need some clarification, since the screenshots date 8 moths back from now there must have been a lot that happened and a lot of effort put into it too.
Set itself looks pretty nice! and the renders show off the idea in a very nice way.
In terms of the drama, we just need some clarification, since the screenshots date 8 moths back from now there must have been a lot that happened and a lot of effort put into it too.
I didn't think we were going to get to this but here we go ...Dude literally that whole server is toxic. You guys just pretend everything is fine. if anyone gives their opinions or tries to have serious discussions they just put emotes and start making fun of each other.
1. "This set was started by him and me" Yeah ... but not really: Context: Arq and I were friends a long time ago, yes, we started the set together but the direction of the set and above all, attitudes of him not only with me but with several members of the Latin American community (most of them Mexican), caused me to cut the relationship with him.
Arq tends to "take possession" of ideas when he sees that he can take advantage of them, mainly monetary. I'm not making empty accusations most of the Mexican / Latam members can vouch for this.
2. As you can see the conversations are months old and since we stopped talking he showed no interest in continuing with the set, why wait until I took out the IC when he had enough time to do his iteration of it?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JqBARwc.png)
4. I was the one who organized the project, I was the one who paid for the novelties, renders, Pantone books, ABS plastic chips, make multiple iterations of the kitting, well, pretty much everything
I didn't think we were going to get to this but here we go ...Dude literally that whole server is toxic. You guys just pretend everything is fine. if anyone gives their opinions or tries to have serious discussions they just put emotes and start making fun of each other.
1. "This set was started by him and me" Yeah ... but not really: Context: Arq and I were friends a long time ago, yes, we started the set together but the direction of the set and above all, attitudes of him not only with me but with several members of the Latin American community (most of them Mexican), caused me to cut the relationship with him.
Arq tends to "take possession" of ideas when he sees that he can take advantage of them, mainly monetary. I'm not making empty accusations most of the Mexican / Latam members can vouch for this.
Example:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/iKhreKa.png)
Oh man I would love to see the money transactions cause so far I have made $0. Im in very negative numbers.Quote2. As you can see the conversations are months old and since we stopped talking he showed no interest in continuing with the set, why wait until I took out the IC when he had enough time to do his iteration of it?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JqBARwc.png)
I didnt continuing simple because I didnt find it ethical. How can I do it if at the end of our conversation you never answer me? Did you wanted me to go behind your back and do a surprise IC? just like you did?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YUmaw8q.png)
One render BTW: *also they are were just to conceptualize the colors, because were going to pay for them. I always pay my renders cause I dont know how to do them properly.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Nw1LXq8.png)Quote4. I was the one who organized the project, I was the one who paid for the novelties, renders, Pantone books, ABS plastic chips, make multiple iterations of the kitting, well, pretty much everything
Do you want a cookie for doing what a designer should be doing? I would have done the same and we even talked about that dude in chat. I already had a pantone book and we were using that.
Proof:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/2Xvly7z.jpg)
Set itself looks pretty nice! and the renders show off the idea in a very nice way.
In terms of the drama, we just need some clarification, since the screenshots date 8 moths back from now there must have been a lot that happened and a lot of effort put into it too.
Yes some clarification would be helpful, but this looks NOTHING like the early concepts. I'm pretty sure the set would be completely different with the direction Arq was taking (not that that is a bad thing).
From the looks of it, OP just wanted help from someone actively working on a set, someone with experience in design (probably not the best designer since Dream Bird didn't even reach MOQ, which wasn't a bad set, seemed more like poor management).Dude and that that make it ethical? I literally ask him in the screenshots if he only wanted help or if it was some thing we were going to be doing together. Does that make it ok?
Looks like a lot of effort was put into this and I can't see where Arq had an influence on this final iteration. I might be biased because it looks good on my keyboard... But I wanna know what exactly happened in those 8 months.
I didn't think we were going to get to this but here we go ...Dude literally that whole server is toxic. You guys just pretend everything is fine. if anyone gives their opinions or tries to have serious discussions they just put emotes and start making fun of each other.
1. "This set was started by him and me" Yeah ... but not really: Context: Arq and I were friends a long time ago, yes, we started the set together but the direction of the set and above all, attitudes of him not only with me but with several members of the Latin American community (most of them Mexican), caused me to cut the relationship with him.
Arq tends to "take possession" of ideas when he sees that he can take advantage of them, mainly monetary. I'm not making empty accusations most of the Mexican / Latam members can vouch for this.
Example:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/iKhreKa.png)
Oh man I would love to see the money transactions cause so far I have made $0. Im in very negative numbers.Quote2. As you can see the conversations are months old and since we stopped talking he showed no interest in continuing with the set, why wait until I took out the IC when he had enough time to do his iteration of it?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JqBARwc.png)
I didnt continuing simple because I didnt find it ethical. How can I do it if at the end of our conversation you never answer me? Did you wanted me to go behind your back and do a surprise IC? just like you did?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YUmaw8q.png)
One render BTW: *also they are were just to conceptualize the colors, because were going to pay for them. I always pay my renders cause I dont know how to do them properly.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Nw1LXq8.png)Quote4. I was the one who organized the project, I was the one who paid for the novelties, renders, Pantone books, ABS plastic chips, make multiple iterations of the kitting, well, pretty much everything
Do you want a cookie for doing what a designer should be doing? I would have done the same and we even talked about that dude in chat. I already had a pantone book and we were using that.
Proof:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/2Xvly7z.jpg)
Yo if we're talking about toxicity are we forgetting how on stream you would make fun of people for not having expensive keyboards?
anyway this is an IC, take this to DMs and let people give feedback :)
Set itself looks pretty nice! and the renders show off the idea in a very nice way.
In terms of the drama, we just need some clarification, since the screenshots date 8 moths back from now there must have been a lot that happened and a lot of effort put into it too.
Yes some clarification would be helpful, but this looks NOTHING like the early concepts. I'm pretty sure the set would be completely different with the direction Arq was taking (not that that is a bad thing).QuoteFrom the looks of it, OP just wanted help from someone actively working on a set, someone with experience in design (probably not the best designer since Dream Bird didn't even reach MOQ, which wasn't a bad set, seemed more like poor management).Dude and that that make it ethical? I literally ask him in the screenshots if he only wanted help or if it was some thing we were going to be doing together. Does that make it ok?QuoteLooks like a lot of effort was put into this and I can't see where Arq had an influence on this final iteration. I might be biased because it looks good on my keyboard... But I wanna know what exactly happened in those 8 months.
You not been biased just "because it looks good on my keyboard" but because he is your friend. The same thing Puncus, sax, fer, and other that I guess will be coming here.I didn't think we were going to get to this but here we go ...Dude literally that whole server is toxic. You guys just pretend everything is fine. if anyone gives their opinions or tries to have serious discussions they just put emotes and start making fun of each other.
1. "This set was started by him and me" Yeah ... but not really: Context: Arq and I were friends a long time ago, yes, we started the set together but the direction of the set and above all, attitudes of him not only with me but with several members of the Latin American community (most of them Mexican), caused me to cut the relationship with him.
Arq tends to "take possession" of ideas when he sees that he can take advantage of them, mainly monetary. I'm not making empty accusations most of the Mexican / Latam members can vouch for this.
Example:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/iKhreKa.png)
Oh man I would love to see the money transactions cause so far I have made $0. Im in very negative numbers.Quote2. As you can see the conversations are months old and since we stopped talking he showed no interest in continuing with the set, why wait until I took out the IC when he had enough time to do his iteration of it?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JqBARwc.png)
I didnt continuing simple because I didnt find it ethical. How can I do it if at the end of our conversation you never answer me? Did you wanted me to go behind your back and do a surprise IC? just like you did?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YUmaw8q.png)
One render BTW: *also they are were just to conceptualize the colors, because were going to pay for them. I always pay my renders cause I dont know how to do them properly.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Nw1LXq8.png)Quote4. I was the one who organized the project, I was the one who paid for the novelties, renders, Pantone books, ABS plastic chips, make multiple iterations of the kitting, well, pretty much everything
Do you want a cookie for doing what a designer should be doing? I would have done the same and we even talked about that dude in chat. I already had a pantone book and we were using that.
Proof:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/2Xvly7z.jpg)
Yo if we're talking about toxicity are we forgetting how on stream you would make fun of people for not having expensive keyboards?
anyway this is an IC, take this to DMs and let people give feedback :)
of course buddy, but thats literally me playing with you all. When have I ever being serious call someone poor just for not having a nice keyboard? never. You guys have literally a command called !poor and everyone have use it and of course including me.
The screenshot that I share was me literally not insulting anyone nor bothering. I was sharing something that I couldn't when that happened.
Do you want a cookie for doing what a designer should be doing?
So uh, keycaps amirite guys?
the social network is a pretty great movie huh
Now, to address the issues with the current Greek sublegends:Please see this Greek keyboard layout reference (http://kbd-intl.narod.ru/images/el.png).
- The quaternary (top-right) sublegend on the ;: key is incorrect: it's supposed to be a dialytika (¨), not a dialytika-tonos (΅).
incorrect: ;:΄΅
correct: ;:΄¨- The W key is missing a dialytika-tonos sublegend in the top right.
incorrect: Wς
correct: Wς΅- The Q key is missing a colon sublegend in the top right.
incorrect: Q;
correct: Q;:
-Among layouts that DO have full sublegend support, there is no clear consensus regarding what type of dialytika should be used on specific labels. When speaking to multiple greek speakers and layout users the consensus was "just showing that there is a dialytika option is more than enough." Even in the layout you linked in this response they use ALL THREE dialytika on one key rather than keeping the original :; legend. Compromises need to be made here imo. I also received absolutely no complaints about the dialytika-tonos on ePBT Kavala's kit, nor any complaints from the greek speakers I asked for feedback from.
-The Q key is missing the tertiary legend for aesthetics, as none of the greek speakers I reached out to considered it to be essential.
-The W key is missing the tertiary legend for the exact same reason.
Set itself looks pretty nice! and the renders show off the idea in a very nice way.
In terms of the drama, we just need some clarification, since the screenshots date 8 moths back from now there must have been a lot that happened and a lot of effort put into it too.
Yes some clarification would be helpful, but this looks NOTHING like the early concepts. I'm pretty sure the set would be completely different with the direction Arq was taking (not that that is a bad thing).QuoteFrom the looks of it, OP just wanted help from someone actively working on a set, someone with experience in design (probably not the best designer since Dream Bird didn't even reach MOQ, which wasn't a bad set, seemed more like poor management).Dude and that that make it ethical? I literally ask him in the screenshots if he only wanted help or if it was some thing we were going to be doing together. Does that make it ok?QuoteLooks like a lot of effort was put into this and I can't see where Arq had an influence on this final iteration. I might be biased because it looks good on my keyboard... But I wanna know what exactly happened in those 8 months.
You not been biased just "because it looks good on my keyboard" but because he is your friend. The same thing for Puncus, sax, fer, and others that I guess will be coming here.I didn't think we were going to get to this but here we go ...Dude literally that whole server is toxic. You guys just pretend everything is fine. if anyone gives their opinions or tries to have serious discussions they just put emotes and start making fun of each other.
1. "This set was started by him and me" Yeah ... but not really: Context: Arq and I were friends a long time ago, yes, we started the set together but the direction of the set and above all, attitudes of him not only with me but with several members of the Latin American community (most of them Mexican), caused me to cut the relationship with him.
Arq tends to "take possession" of ideas when he sees that he can take advantage of them, mainly monetary. I'm not making empty accusations most of the Mexican / Latam members can vouch for this.
Example:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/iKhreKa.png)
Oh man I would love to see the money transactions cause so far I have made $0. Im in very negative numbers.Quote2. As you can see the conversations are months old and since we stopped talking he showed no interest in continuing with the set, why wait until I took out the IC when he had enough time to do his iteration of it?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JqBARwc.png)
I didnt continuing simple because I didnt find it ethical. How can I do it if at the end of our conversation you never answer me? Did you wanted me to go behind your back and do a surprise IC? just like you did?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YUmaw8q.png)
One render BTW: *also they are were just to conceptualize the colors, because were going to pay for them. I always pay my renders cause I dont know how to do them properly.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Nw1LXq8.png)Quote4. I was the one who organized the project, I was the one who paid for the novelties, renders, Pantone books, ABS plastic chips, make multiple iterations of the kitting, well, pretty much everything
Do you want a cookie for doing what a designer should be doing? I would have done the same and we even talked about that dude in chat. I already had a pantone book and we were using that.
Proof:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/2Xvly7z.jpg)
Yo if we're talking about toxicity are we forgetting how on stream you would make fun of people for not having expensive keyboards?
anyway this is an IC, take this to DMs and let people give feedback :)
of course buddy, but thats literally me playing with you all. When have I ever being serious call someone poor just for not having a nice keyboard? never. You guys have literally a command called !poor and everyone have use it and of course including me.
The screenshot that I share was me literally not insulting anyone nor bothering. I was sharing something that I couldn't when that happened.
It's sad to see people brushing this off by saying they don't care or that it's bs drama since we might be looking at a designer getting their collaborative work stolen.
I find the colors really appealing, but the kitting and legends could use a bit of work.
The base kit is missing R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn for proper 65% support (https://i.imgur.com/tKSXZLN.png).
Those keys would be more useful to more people than, say, the second 2.25u Shift that's currently included. The presence of proper spacekeys in the base kit diminishes the usefulness of the second 2.25u Shift significantly, essentially relegating it to 660 support — a layout that's far less popular than the various 65% variants out there.
That being said, there's no reason why all three keys can't be included in the kit, at least for the time being.
Speaking of spacekeys, you may want to consider moving the 2c, 2.25c, 2.75c keys to the spacebars kit. This can be done in order to offset the cost of the large number of keys in the base kit, as well as the overhead costs of the new legend molds that will need to be produced for the lowercase Greek sublegends. As an aside, moving these keys would also help the spacebars kit more easily meet its MOQ.
However, I recommend leaving that decision until after you've gotten your first round of quotes from GMK.
There is no need for the second Tab key in the Latin alphas kit. Second Tab only helps if you're offering a full alt alphas kit — meaning that it has to have a number row as well as full punctuation. Since your alphas kit doesn't, the extra Tab should be removed.
I suggest changing all Code legends to System (Sys on 1u) or Super.
Code isn't exactly the greatest option for an OS key legend, in my opinion. You can read more about why I think so here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108830.msg2963282#msg2963282).
Now, to address the issues with the current Greek sublegends:Please see this Greek keyboard layout reference (http://kbd-intl.narod.ru/images/el.png).
- The quaternary (top-right) sublegend on the ;: key is incorrect: it's supposed to be a dialytika (¨), not a dialytika-tonos (΅).
incorrect: ;:΄΅ correct: ;:΄¨- The W key is missing a dialytika-tonos sublegend in the top right.
incorrect: Wς correct: Wς΅- The Q key is missing a colon sublegend in the top right.
incorrect: Q; correct: Q;:
Also, as far as ISO-UK support goes (something a couple of people have mentioned): ISO-UK is not really compatible with this type of set, because there's no such thing as a UK-based Greek layout or a hybrid ISO-UK/ISO-GR layout. Therefore, including UK keys in the base kit would not make much sense. On top of that, base kit space is already at a premium, and more valuable keys have to take priority in order for the value proposition of the kit to remain attractive to the largest audience of buyers.
That being said, I don't see any reason why ISO-UK keys could not be included in the Latin alphas kit, if that's something that the runner wishes to do. :)
I want to add something about the novelty kit, can you consider copying some of the 1u keys from R4 to R1? TKL and 75s users will want to use R1 1u keys for Function row or nav clusters.I find the colors really appealing, but the kitting and legends could use a bit of work.
The base kit is missing R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn for proper 65% support (https://i.imgur.com/tKSXZLN.png).
Those keys would be more useful to more people than, say, the second 2.25u Shift that's currently included. The presence of proper spacekeys in the base kit diminishes the usefulness of the second 2.25u Shift significantly, essentially relegating it to 660 support — a layout that's far less popular than the various 65% variants out there.
That being said, there's no reason why all three keys can't be included in the kit, at least for the time being.
Speaking of spacekeys, you may want to consider moving the 2c, 2.25c, 2.75c keys to the spacebars kit. This can be done in order to offset the cost of the large number of keys in the base kit, as well as the overhead costs of the new legend molds that will need to be produced for the lowercase Greek sublegends. As an aside, moving these keys would also help the spacebars kit more easily meet its MOQ.
However, I recommend leaving that decision until after you've gotten your first round of quotes from GMK.
There is no need for the second Tab key in the Latin alphas kit. Second Tab only helps if you're offering a full alt alphas kit — meaning that it has to have a number row as well as full punctuation. Since your alphas kit doesn't, the extra Tab should be removed.
I suggest changing all Code legends to System (Sys on 1u) or Super.
Code isn't exactly the greatest option for an OS key legend, in my opinion. You can read more about why I think so here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108830.msg2963282#msg2963282).
Now, to address the issues with the current Greek sublegends:Please see this Greek keyboard layout reference (http://kbd-intl.narod.ru/images/el.png).
- The quaternary (top-right) sublegend on the ;: key is incorrect: it's supposed to be a dialytika (¨), not a dialytika-tonos (΅).
incorrect: ;:΄΅ correct: ;:΄¨- The W key is missing a dialytika-tonos sublegend in the top right.
incorrect: Wς correct: Wς΅- The Q key is missing a colon sublegend in the top right.
incorrect: Q; correct: Q;:
Also, as far as ISO-UK support goes (something a couple of people have mentioned): ISO-UK is not really compatible with this type of set, because there's no such thing as a UK-based Greek layout or a hybrid ISO-UK/ISO-GR layout. Therefore, including UK keys in the base kit would not make much sense. On top of that, base kit space is already at a premium, and more valuable keys have to take priority in order for the value proposition of the kit to remain attractive to the largest audience of buyers.
That being said, I don't see any reason why ISO-UK keys could not be included in the Latin alphas kit, if that's something that the runner wishes to do. :)
I will work on all the comments you mentioned. Thank you so much for feedback