[IC] R0 // R5 Modern Compatibility Kit for Classic Sets - pls fill form

[glubazoid]

Hey! Just gauging if there's enough interest to run a R0 and R5 kit for those who want the full cherry profile.

These are going to be for Retro (Classic retro, 9009, retro Cyrillic, 1800 double shots etc.) and WoB (Originative, Massdrop, 1800 doubleshots, etc).

Update 07/31/19:

With the kits being this large, and most people owning either WoB or A retro set, I've decided to split this into two kits (would be easier on your wallets too).

Current vendor has some projects on their plate- but I'm working to finalize kits, which is getting close. Looks like R0 delete key is a popular option, as well as additional 1800 support.

Update 06/11/19:

Please fill out this Interest form!


Update 06/07/19: Updated the kit for modern sets, adding support for 65%, some 75% (not including the top R0), and 1800. There are currently 78 keys total. The goal is to keep caps to the minimum while offering maximum compatibility.



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[bisoromi]

yes

[xondat]

yes

[clasicks]

yes

[LightningXI]

yes

[appaboy]

yes

[eskimojo]

I'd be interested if more compat was added - WKL TKL may be too limited to hit MOQ imo

sorry to be a combo breaker

[glubazoid]

I'd be interested if more compat was added - WKL TKL may be too limited to hit MOQ imo

sorry to be a combo breaker

I contacted GMK, just waiting for a response. I could run a 1u "super" key like carbon- but I don't want to add too much to run up the price of the set.

Are people going to want to have an R5 6.25 bottom row?

[LightningXI]

I'd be interested if more compat was added - WKL TKL may be too limited to hit MOQ imo

sorry to be a combo breaker

I contacted GMK, just waiting for a response. I could run a 1u "super" key like carbon- but I don't want to add too much to run up the price of the set.

Are people going to want to have an R5 6.25 bottom row?

Personally, I do think that adding the R5 1.25u keys (2x Ctrl, 2x Super, 2x Alt, 1x Fn) and the 1u keys (2x Super) would be smart. It gives these classic sets immense compatibility in R5 bottom row -- with 65%/75%/1800-CP, etc.

Note: no need to add a spacebar.

[eskimojo]

I'd be interested if more compat was added - WKL TKL may be too limited to hit MOQ imo

sorry to be a combo breaker

I contacted GMK, just waiting for a response. I could run a 1u "super" key like carbon- but I don't want to add too much to run up the price of the set.

Are people going to want to have an R5 6.25 bottom row?

Personally, I do think that adding the R5 1.25u keys (2x Ctrl, 2x Super, 2x Alt, 1x Fn) and the 1u keys (2x Super) would be smart. It gives these classic sets immense compatibility in R5 bottom row -- with 65%/75%/1800-CP, etc.

75%/1800 support would complicate matters - r0 versions of nav cluster etc. that said, i'd be down for that.

Note: no need to add a spacebar.

Genuine question, why not?

[LightningXI]

Note: no need to add a spacebar.

Genuine question, why not?

Well, considering this is an add-on kit for, say, a GMK Classic Retro, GMK KA1953, GMK 9009 (R1/R2), GMK Originative (without R5), GMK White on Black Massdrop edition,... you'd probably already have the 6.25u and 7u spacebars.

[glubazoid]

I'd be interested if more compat was added - WKL TKL may be too limited to hit MOQ imo

sorry to be a combo breaker

I contacted GMK, just waiting for a response. I could run a 1u "super" key like carbon- but I don't want to add too much to run up the price of the set.

Are people going to want to have an R5 6.25 bottom row?

Personally, I do think that adding the R5 1.25u keys (2x Ctrl, 2x Super, 2x Alt, 1x Fn) and the 1u keys (2x Super) would be smart. It gives these classic sets immense compatibility in R5 bottom row -- with 65%/75%/1800-CP, etc.

75%/1800 support would complicate matters - r0 versions of nav cluster etc. that said, i'd be down for that.

Note: no need to add a spacebar.

Genuine question, why not?

Didn't even think about 65-75% boards! Adding that compatibility would mean I'd be adding 30ish (?) keys total For the 1800 top row and the 1.25 R5 keys effectively bringing this kit to around 100 keys.

I might just consider adding R5 keys instead of worrying about 1800 R0 compatibility.

Spacebars are the same

[eskimojo]

ah okay, i figured there might be r5 spacebars

[wholypantalones]

N9 and CC would be nice too.

[spyruf]

yes

[LightningXI]

N9 and CC would be nice too.

I thought so too. Just not sure if one should do all 3 colorways at once.

Didn't even think about 65-75% boards! Adding that compatibility would mean I'd be adding 30ish (?) keys total For the 1800 top row and the 1.25 R5 keys effectively bringing this kit to around 100 keys.

I might just consider adding R5 keys instead of worrying about 1800 R0 compatibility.

Spacebars are the same

Yeah, I think R0 compatibility adds a whole lot more keys because of 1800 and the extra columns in other layouts.

I think keeping this to R5-only might be a way to keep it cheap. Personally, I found R0 to be a bit slanted and too tall.

[OracleKev]

+1 on N9/CC
I'd be very conservative on expanding key coverage.  Maybe add 2 x R5 1u

[LightningXI]

Here's an edited version of the Umka Modifiers I grabbed from GMK Carbon R2 for guidance to the OP for what keys may be relevant.

And two keys that I forgot: 1u 0 key, and 1u 00 key.

[Delirious]

Interested,

I also will be that guy, knowing full well it is WKL TKL support only, but what are the chances to include the 3 nav keys for 1800 as well?

[tex_live_utility]

Yes.

Double yes if there's 1.25u R5 involved.

[glubazoid]

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Here's an edited version of the Umka Modifiers I grabbed from GMK Carbon R2 for guidance to the OP for what keys may be relevant.

And two keys that I forgot: 1u 0 key, and 1u 00 key.

Thanks! I'll look into the possibility of adding some of these.

Interested,

I also will be that guy, knowing full well it is WKL TKL support only, but what are the chances to include the 3 nav keys for 1800 as well?

I'm debating whether I should add more keys to support 1800/ odd layouts. I'm waiting for GMK for pricing, I don't want to add too much to raise prices.

[catamscott]

100% down for this

[dorf]

Yes, please. I'm in!

[Applet]

Yes! 

[t8c]

Absolutely

[ramblinrose]

Cool idea - especially if you add in the 6.25 /1.25 mods, and maybe 2 1u mods as well. It's probably not the intention for the set, but the 65% right side nav would be cool to include (r2 pg up, r3 pg dn, fn r4) as well if it doesn't add much cost.

[Applet]

Add two 1u diamond-legend keys in R5 and the kit in the first post is perfect imo. I've read there are no molds for 1.25u in R5, but I can be wrong.

[NRbigfoot]

Interested with the added R5 support

[ramblinrose]

Add two 1u diamond-legend keys in R5 and the kit in the first post is perfect imo. I've read there are no molds for 1.25u in R5, but I can be wrong.

The 6.25 / 1.25 R5 molds were recently made for gmk carbon r2. No other set has put them to use though as far as I know.

[equalunique]

I am very interested in the compatibility offered by the edited Umka version posted by LightningXI. Having 1.25u & 1u mods is good for my 1800/75%/65% boards.

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[glubazoid]

Update 06/07/19: Updated the kit for modern sets, adding support for 65%, some 75% (not including the top R0), and 1800. There are currently 78 keys total. The goal is to keep caps to the minimum while offering maximum compatibility.

[Photekq]

Please change that Alt Gr to Alt. There are plenty of R5 beige Alt Gr's out there )

Could also consider using the old Windows logos for 1.25 keys if you want a really classic look.

[glubazoid]

Please change that Alt Gr to Alt. There are plenty of R5 beige Alt Gr's out there )

Could also consider using the old Windows logos for 1.25 keys if you want a really classic look.

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Are those Alt Gr's doubleshot or dyesub?

I'm still trying to get in contact with GMK, but I wouldn't want new molds made to keep prices low. I know Carbon ran a 1.25 "Alt" and not "Alt Gr" so I know those molds are already created. If GMK confirms that they already have that mold, then I'd much rather have that as well.  :thumb:

[Zurg Eon]

In. I would prefer to keep the Alt Gr key if they already have molds for it.

[eskimojo]

Update 06/07/19: Updated the kit for modern sets, adding support for 65%, some 75% (not including the top R0), and 1800. There are currently 78 keys total. The goal is to keep caps to the minimum while offering maximum compatibility.

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good change, nice

I don't really have an opinion on alt vs alt gr

to confirm, are both colourways one kit or are they separate?

[wholypantalones]

Add two 1u diamond-legend keys in R5 and the kit in the first post is perfect imo. I've read there are no molds for 1.25u in R5, but I can be wrong.

Pls no diamond keys, they look terrible in contrast to the other text legends. They belong in an icon modifier pack imo.

Liking the additions so far, especially the 1.5 fn.

[glubazoid]

Update 06/07/19: Updated the kit for modern sets, adding support for 65%, some 75% (not including the top R0), and 1800. There are currently 78 keys total. The goal is to keep caps to the minimum while offering maximum compatibility.

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good change, nice

I don't really have an opinion on alt vs alt gr

to confirm, are both colourways one kit or are they separate?

They'll be in one kit. Might be difficult hitting MOQ if split. And I'm assuming most people who are interested in this own or would want to own these colorways  :)

Add two 1u diamond-legend keys in R5 and the kit in the first post is perfect imo. I've read there are no molds for 1.25u in R5, but I can be wrong.

Pls no diamond keys, they look terrible in contrast to the other text legends. They belong in an icon modifier pack imo.

Liking the additions so far, especially the 1.5 fn.

Lol, no diamond icons.

[Photekq]

Are those Alt Gr's doubleshot or dyesub?

I'm still trying to get in contact with GMK, but I wouldn't want new molds made to keep prices low. I know Carbon ran a 1.25 "Alt" and not "Alt Gr" so I know those molds are already created. If GMK confirms that they already have that mold, then I'd much rather have that as well. 

There are tonnes of dyesub and doubleshot OG Cherry boards in German layout, all of which have R5 1.5 Alt Gr.

[glubazoid]

Are those Alt Gr's doubleshot or dyesub?

I'm still trying to get in contact with GMK, but I wouldn't want new molds made to keep prices low. I know Carbon ran a 1.25 "Alt" and not "Alt Gr" so I know those molds are already created. If GMK confirms that they already have that mold, then I'd much rather have that as well. 

There are tonnes of dyesub and doubleshot OG Cherry boards in German layout, all of which have R5 1.5 Alt Gr.

Sweet, a 1.5u Alt Gr was always the plan!

[tex_live_utility]

Update 06/07/19: Updated the kit for modern sets, adding support for 65%, some 75% (not including the top R0), and 1800. There are currently 78 keys total. The goal is to keep caps to the minimum while offering maximum compatibility.

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good change, nice

I don't really have an opinion on alt vs alt gr

to confirm, are both colourways one kit or are they separate?

They'll be in one kit. Might be difficult hitting MOQ if split. And I'm assuming most people who are interested in this own or would want to own these colorways  :)

Add two 1u diamond-legend keys in R5 and the kit in the first post is perfect imo. I've read there are no molds for 1.25u in R5, but I can be wrong.

Pls no diamond keys, they look terrible in contrast to the other text legends. They belong in an icon modifier pack imo.

Liking the additions so far, especially the 1.5 fn.

Lol, no diamond icons.

Feels bad

[OracleKev]

Update 06/07/19: Updated the kit for modern sets, adding support for 65%, some 75% (not including the top R0), and 1800. There are currently 78 keys total. The goal is to keep caps to the minimum while offering maximum compatibility.

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Yikes!  Hope it doesn't become too expensive!

[dorf]

Please include ALT GR. Mixing a new set from GMK with old keys from old Cherry boards does not look nice. Also, the WoB sets that are being sold today use WS1 as white instead of L9 or what the old sets used.

[rondg]

Icon mods?

[Captain Shwah]

Icon mods?

pls no

[rondg]

Icon mods?

pls no

If it's going to be on a different set with a different MOQ, I don't see why not. It's only a suggestion so I'm fine either way

[thelaughingman]

Yes please! N9/CC for Dolch would even be better

[glubazoid]

Icon mods?

pls no

If it's going to be on a different set with a different MOQ, I don't see why not. It's only a suggestion so I'm fine either way

Did you mean bottom row Icon mods? If so, I don't think I'd want to go that route It'd be difficult to create another kit and hit MOQ for that.

Yes please! N9/CC for Dolch would even be better

I was heavily considering Dolch as well, but adding that would bring the kit up to 113 keys

[OracleKev]

Rough estimate on pricing?  It might be worthwhile to get some community feedback in advance.

[wholypantalones]

Icon mods?

pls no

If it's going to be on a different set with a different MOQ, I don't see why not. It's only a suggestion so I'm fine either way

Did you mean bottom row Icon mods? If so, I don't think I'd want to go that route It'd be difficult to create another kit and hit MOQ for that.

Yes please! N9/CC for Dolch would even be better

I was heavily considering Dolch as well, but adding that would bring the kit up to 113 keys

Needs Dolch regardless of price.

[glubazoid]

Rough estimate on pricing?  It might be worthwhile to get some community feedback in advance.

GMK still hasn't gotten back to me on pricing, I'll give it a couple days to follow up.

[thelaughingman]

Icon mods?

pls no

If it's going to be on a different set with a different MOQ, I don't see why not. It's only a suggestion so I'm fine either way

Did you mean bottom row Icon mods? If so, I don't think I'd want to go that route It'd be difficult to create another kit and hit MOQ for that.

Yes please! N9/CC for Dolch would even be better

I was heavily considering Dolch as well, but adding that would bring the kit up to 113 keys

don't need to bloat the kit anymore. Actually I think it might be better if you run just the beige key, then the WoB/Dolch on the 2nd and 3rd run. That way the kit is minimised, prices should be lower and people don't feel like they waste half the set

[depletedvespene]

don't need to bloat the kit anymore. Actually I think it might be better if you run just the beige key, then the WoB/Dolch on the 2nd and 3rd run. That way the kit is minimised, prices should be lower and people don't feel like they waste half the set

That's close to what I was going to ask right now - would it be feasible to have two separate kits (three if Dolch should be added) on the GB? I'd be all over the beige but wouldn't care for the WoB, for example, and this way I wouldn't need to put half the set away.

[glubazoid]

don't need to bloat the kit anymore. Actually I think it might be better if you run just the beige key, then the WoB/Dolch on the 2nd and 3rd run. That way the kit is minimised, prices should be lower and people don't feel like they waste half the set

That's close to what I was going to ask right now - would it be feasible to have two separate kits (three if Dolch should be added) on the GB? I'd be all over the beige but wouldn't care for the WoB, for example, and this way I wouldn't need to put half the set away.

I was considering this, but I'm worried that, individually, they won't make MOQ.

[dorf]

don't need to bloat the kit anymore. Actually I think it might be better if you run just the beige key, then the WoB/Dolch on the 2nd and 3rd run. That way the kit is minimised, prices should be lower and people don't feel like they waste half the set

That's close to what I was going to ask right now - would it be feasible to have two separate kits (three if Dolch should be added) on the GB? I'd be all over the beige but wouldn't care for the WoB, for example, and this way I wouldn't need to put half the set away.

I was considering this, but I'm worried that, individually, they won't make MOQ.

I'm quite sure these things will sort themselves on classifieds.

[glubazoid]

My thoughts as well, if you don't want it. Someone will!

[RETURNISO]

Very ready! 

Edit. Whats the color for the beige kit?

[wholypantalones]

Very ready! 

Edit. Whats the color for the beige kit?

Hopefully L9 and U9 or this whole thing is a bust.

[glubazoid]

Very ready! 

Edit. Whats the color for the beige kit?

Hopefully L9 and U9 or this whole thing is a bust.

It's using custom RGB codes that I personally chose.

Just kidding, L9 and U9 of course LOL

[spyruf]

I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.

In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.

Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.

[OracleKev]

I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.

In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.

Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.

wut? mods are U9 and alphas are L9.  It's not L9 vs U9. 

[jordowag]

count me in on this! love my beige colors

[eskimojo]

I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.

In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.

Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.

wut? mods are U9 and alphas are L9.  It's not L9 vs U9. 

Pretty sure they mean L9 + U9 vs CR, but even then i'm pretty sure they're wrong. WoB is an incredibly popular colourway, it's essentially standard.

Would be nice to confirm the legend colour for the WoB, since newer sets use WS1 but apparently earlier sets might use something different?

[wholypantalones]

I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout. Drop the whole unfair shtick, if you feel there's something in a kit you don't need and it's "unfair", you might want to look towards other hobbies.

I think this kit fills many voids in compatibility, and Beige (L9 and U9) and WoB (CR) are both pretty darn popular colors spanning many different decades.

[glubazoid]

I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.

In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.

Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.

wut? mods are U9 and alphas are L9.  It's not L9 vs U9. 

Pretty sure they mean L9 + U9 vs CR, but even then i'm pretty sure they're wrong. WoB is an incredibly popular colourway, it's essentially standard.

Would be nice to confirm the legend colour for the WoB, since newer sets use WS1 but apparently earlier sets might use something different?

I'll be using WS1 for WoB, idea is that if someone wants to try out the profile, they could purchase this kit along with GMK Classic retro and WoB/ Originative- which are readily available right now.

[glubazoid]

Update 06/11/19:


Please fill out this Interest form!

[depletedvespene]

I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.

You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.

[eskimojo]

I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.

You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.

Percentage-wise sure, but that's not on the same scale. This is a relatively small set, so the cost will be smaller accordingly.

[depletedvespene]

I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.

You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.

Percentage-wise sure, but that's not on the same scale. This is a relatively small set, so the cost will be smaller accordingly.

Of course, but it IS a factor to take into account instead of offhandedly discarding it.

[glubazoid]

I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.

In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.

Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.

My worry is that it won't meet MOQ on it's own. Splitting the kits up eventually lead me to having two separate MOQ's which is more difficult to reach than one. There is enough interest for WoB AND Beige, according to the interest check I put up, its pretty much 50/50.

I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.

You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.

Unlike other GMK kits, you can most definitely split this up and sell it aftermarket. It's not like a 60% user purchasing a GMK set and selling off the other keys they don't use.

People always miss group buys, there is always a second hand market.

[eskimojo]

Unlike other GMK kits, you can most definitely split this up and sell it aftermarket. It's not like a 60% user purchasing a GMK set and selling off the other keys they don't use.

People always miss group buys, there is always a second hand market.

Agreed - I'm planning to go halves with a friend who has GMK 9009 (and I have WoB) 

[RETURNISO]

Very ready! 

Edit. Whats the color for the beige kit?

Hopefully L9 and U9 or this whole thing is a bust.

It's using custom RGB codes that I personally chose.

Just kidding, L9 and U9 of course LOL

Does that match "hellgrau" ?

OK, i know its a long shot since you guys are already talking about splitting kits n lowering cost etc

But, but can we please add support for Alcatel caps? Would be freaking superior 

Am i not to sure about the colors atm but can figure that out. The hellgrau of some sort, does someone here know the GMK color match for them?

basic support, i think it would just need these

R1: 2u Backspace
R4: 1.75u Right Shift, 1u FN
R5: 1.5u ( Left Alt ), 1u ( Left GUI ), 1.5u ( Right Alt ) 1u ( Right GUI ), 1.75u Right Shift

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Anyway i am definitely not splitting my loot

Edit.

For full Alcatel support ANSI & ISO should be this + 7u spacebar 

[pr0ximity]

Very interested

[depletedvespene]

But, but can we please add support for Alcatel caps? Would be freaking superior 

Am i not to sure about the colors atm but can figure that out. The hellgrau of some sort, does someone here know the GMK color match for them?

basic support, i think it would just need these

R1: 2u Backspace
R4: 1.75u Right Shift, 1u FN
R5: 1.5u ( Left Alt ), 1u ( Left GUI ), 1.5u ( Right Alt ) 1u ( Right GUI ), 1.75u Right Shift

Optional
ISO Enter
Ansi Enter

Anyway i am definitely not splitting my loot

Edit.

For full Alcatel support ANSI & ISO should be this + 7u spacebar 
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An Alcatel set is sufficiently different to warrant a separate GB, with its own color, and its own set of key caps (tailored to the MMX with minimal losses). So it should be the keys in your graphic, plus 2U numpad 0, numpad comma, numpad period (those in R4), R3 Tab, R2-3 numpad+ (plus a R1 = key because I say so). Perhaps an R2 1.5U Backspace key as well, because why not.

IMHO. YMMV. WDIKAA. And I'll take two sets of this, please!

[RETURNISO]

But, but can we please add support for Alcatel caps? Would be freaking superior 

Am i not to sure about the colors atm but can figure that out. The hellgrau of some sort, does someone here know the GMK color match for them?

basic support, i think it would just need these

R1: 2u Backspace
R4: 1.75u Right Shift, 1u FN
R5: 1.5u ( Left Alt ), 1u ( Left GUI ), 1.5u ( Right Alt ) 1u ( Right GUI ), 1.75u Right Shift

Optional
ISO Enter
Ansi Enter

Anyway i am definitely not splitting my loot

Edit.

For full Alcatel support ANSI & ISO should be this + 7u spacebar 
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An Alcatel set is sufficiently different to warrant a separate GB, with its own color, and its own set of key caps (tailored to the MMX with minimal losses). So it should be the keys in your graphic, plus 2U numpad 0, numpad comma, numpad period (those in R4), R3 Tab, R2-3 numpad+ (plus a R1 = key because I say so). Perhaps an R2 1.5U Backspace key as well, because why not.

IMHO. YMMV. WDIKAA. And I'll take two sets of this, please!

Would love to take 2 kits as well



I rather have it included in in this GB, Trim some keys down to only support WKL / Tsangan layout as it already contains 2x R5 1.5u "ctrl" keys.
Use a accent or reg OG ANSI/ISO Enter ( To keep it minimum ), cross fingers OP thinks its a good idea.

Imho, i rather pay the extra $$$ to gain 3 new sets in one go.
If the majority of the buyers only have 1 OG set ( OG WoB / OG beige ). I totally get why this just have to be slimmed down and people can slit the kit etc.

Here is a shot where i use the alcatel alphas with 9009 mods. Its a HS60 pcb, locked to 6.25 bottom row. Cry, but aleast i get to use the OG spacebar 

[dorf]

On my old OG-set from G80-1000 the sys rq on the prt sc key is pad printed green. Will you do this also?

[glubazoid]

But, but can we please add support for Alcatel caps? Would be freaking superior 

Am i not to sure about the colors atm but can figure that out. The hellgrau of some sort, does someone here know the GMK color match for them?

basic support, i think it would just need these

R1: 2u Backspace
R4: 1.75u Right Shift, 1u FN
R5: 1.5u ( Left Alt ), 1u ( Left GUI ), 1.5u ( Right Alt ) 1u ( Right GUI ), 1.75u Right Shift

Optional
ISO Enter
Ansi Enter

Anyway i am definitely not splitting my loot

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For full Alcatel support ANSI & ISO should be this + 7u spacebar 
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An Alcatel set is sufficiently different to warrant a separate GB, with its own color, and its own set of key caps (tailored to the MMX with minimal losses). So it should be the keys in your graphic, plus 2U numpad 0, numpad comma, numpad period (those in R4), R3 Tab, R2-3 numpad+ (plus a R1 = key because I say so). Perhaps an R2 1.5U Backspace key as well, because why not.

IMHO. YMMV. WDIKAA. And I'll take two sets of this, please!

Would love to take 2 kits as well

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I rather have it included in in this GB, Trim some keys down to only support WKL / Tsangan layout as it already contains 2x R5 1.5u "ctrl" keys.
Use a accent or reg OG ANSI/ISO Enter ( To keep it minimum ), cross fingers OP thinks its a good idea.

Imho, i rather pay the extra $$$ to gain 3 new sets in one go.
If the majority of the buyers only have 1 OG set ( OG WoB / OG beige ). I totally get why this just have to be slimmed down and people can slit the kit etc.

Here is a shot where i use the alcatel alphas with 9009 mods. Its a HS60 pcb, locked to 6.25 bottom row. Cry, but aleast i get to use the OG spacebar 
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Unfortunately, the main goal of this set is to just have the top and bottom R0 and R5 rows

On my old OG-set from G80-1000 the sys rq on the prt sc key is pad printed green. Will you do this also?

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That's my intent. I have classic retro and I dig the look

[spyruf]

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout. Drop the whole unfair shtick, if you feel there's something in a kit you don't need and it's "unfair", you might want to look towards other hobbies.

I think this kit fills many voids in compatibility, and Beige (L9 and U9) and WoB (CR) are both pretty darn popular colors spanning many different decades.

I'm aware almost every kit has extra keys for compatibility. Maybe unfair wasn't the right word but it made most sense to me to have the kits separate. The main reasoning behind that was that most extra keys don't account for half the kit itself.

However, it seems glubazoid has done his research and decided having it in one kit is the best option.

You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.

Basically this ^

My worry is that it won't meet MOQ on it's own. Splitting the kits up eventually lead me to having two separate MOQ's which is more difficult to reach than one. There is enough interest for WoB AND Beige, according to the interest check I put up, its pretty much 50/50.

...

Unlike other GMK kits, you can most definitely split this up and sell it aftermarket. It's not like a 60% user purchasing a GMK set and selling off the other keys they don't use.

People always miss group buys, there is always a second hand market.

Out of curiosity what is MOQ / price breakdowns if they are separate vs together (from what I've heard GMK is heavily biased towards larger kits compared to SP).

[glubazoid]

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout. Drop the whole unfair shtick, if you feel there's something in a kit you don't need and it's "unfair", you might want to look towards other hobbies.

I think this kit fills many voids in compatibility, and Beige (L9 and U9) and WoB (CR) are both pretty darn popular colors spanning many different decades.

I'm aware almost every kit has extra keys for compatibility. Maybe unfair wasn't the right word but it made most sense to me to have the kits separate. The main reasoning behind that was that most extra keys don't account for half the kit itself.

However, it seems glubazoid has done his research and decided having it in one kit is the best option.

You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.

Basically this ^

My worry is that it won't meet MOQ on it's own. Splitting the kits up eventually lead me to having two separate MOQ's which is more difficult to reach than one. There is enough interest for WoB AND Beige, according to the interest check I put up, its pretty much 50/50.

...

Unlike other GMK kits, you can most definitely split this up and sell it aftermarket. It's not like a 60% user purchasing a GMK set and selling off the other keys they don't use.

People always miss group buys, there is always a second hand market.

Out of curiosity what is MOQ / price breakdowns if they are separate vs together (from what I've heard GMK is heavily biased towards larger kits compared to SP).

Since these are stock GMK colors, MOQ is 150. I'm working with a vendor to get quotes from GMK right now!

[RETURNISO]

Unfortunately, the main goal of this set is to just have the top and bottom R0 and R5 rows

Yeah sorry for the divination. I reckon

Hope this will proceed vastly fast to GB

[wholypantalones]

I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.

You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.

If you're buying this to only use 50% of the kit, you should maximize your spending to product ratio and use like 75% of it instead.

[Poesjuh]

I like the idea. Really really dislike the super though. Imo this kit is a reference to the og sets and should have a windows logo. Super feels wrong in every single way.


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[depletedvespene]

I like the idea. Really really dislike the super though. Imo this kit is a reference to the og sets and should have a windows logo. Super feels wrong in every single way.

Sure, but the Windows logo was in and of itself wrong in the first place. The legend "Super" isn't ideal, but even good ol' U+1F4A9 as an icon is better than the Windows logo in this regard.

[equalunique]

My interest in this IC began for a few reasons, but I didn't actually have GMK WoB at the time. Mostly, WS1 legends on CR are versatile. Other ICs for WoB Colevrak and WoB NORDEUK++  are gonna be fun to pair with it. I also missed out on R0/R5 when GMK Carbon R2 was running. So due to the fact that WoB is being offered here with a lot of different options, I'm more sure than ever that getting a WoB set is a good idea.

GMK WoB is being offered again on Drop (formerly Massdrop) as of yesterday for $110. I purchased a set specifically because these ICs exist... don't let me down! haha

Link: https://drop.com/buy/gmk-white-on-black-custom-keycap-set

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[rondg]

No R0 Del key? 

[Acereconkeys]

I'm in.

[PlastikSchnittstelle]

YES!!!
I still don't get why after GMK brought back the old "R5" and "R0" profiles, not all GBs switchted to using those. Instead most kept going with "R4" for the bottom row and and "R1" for the top/F.
I have a hole box full of old HAD and HAU sets and I'm super exited for this set. Will take a few.
Thanks for doing this!

[catamscott]

any word on pricing?

[equalunique]

YES!!!
I still don't get why after GMK brought back the old "R5" and "R0" profiles, not all GBs switchted to using those. Instead most kept going with "R4" for the bottom row and and "R1" for the top/F.

I would really like to know the reason too. Seems like a missed opportunity!

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[fer.real]

My WoB set just came in the mail today.  I hope this makes it to a GB.

[EMC Labs]

yes

This looks cool!


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[rondg]

I think 75% will have full support if the R0 Delete key is added. Sorry, I really want this to be 75% compatible 

[phinix]

I would buy it just for R5 1u Super and Fn, as I need them for Rama U80 keyboard.
But I would rather not to buy both colors, as do not need black set...

ANy possibility to add non-stepped Capslock?

[dorf]

Any updates?

[ReDsNoTDeAd]

Just copped a G80-1800, so consider me in!

[glubazoid]

Small update:

With the kits being this large, and most people owning either WoB or a retro set, I've decided to split this into two kits (would be easier on your wallets too).

Current vendor has some projects on their plate- but I'm working to finalize kits, which is getting close. Looks like R0 delete key is a popular option, as well as additional 1800 support.

[long_qt_pie]

I'm in

[enrique.aliaga]

I'm in, as well.


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[ABrotherThatIsUndercover]

Read through the thread and didn't see this addressed, but it looks like the R5 1u and 2u Numpad 0 keys, as well as the r5 Numpad Delete key aren't the correct color, and should be the color of the F1-F4 instead of the color of the modifiers (unless I'm missing something).

[glubazoid]

Read through the thread and didn't see this addressed, but it looks like the R5 1u and 2u Numpad 0 keys, as well as the r5 Numpad Delete key aren't the correct color, and should be the color of the F1-F4 instead of the color of the modifiers (unless I'm missing something).

You are correct, I'm just finalizing the kit with the vendor then update the thread with the final correct kit haha

[bobdenard]

I don’t know if the kits are set in stone yet, but is there a way to add 1u Alt and 1.5u Super to fit Mac layouts? Thanks

[tobiasvl]

I'm in!

But is there a reason there are no 1u Alt, Fn and Ctrl for maximum 65% compatibility? Isn't that pretty much the standard 65% layout now instead of a blocker between mods and arrow keys?

Personally I wish this was a BoW/WoB add-on kit, like the recent Icon Modifiers and NorDeUK GBs, since WoB is back on Drop and Minimal just ran. But beige is cool too I suppose... Beige is cool too

Edit: Just saw that you're splitting the sets, you could see if there's enough interest to reach MoQ on a BoW one.

[bigapplepietart]

Really hoping this kit hits MOQ

[dorf]

[bisoromi]

ne updates

[phinix]

As these will be now split, I'm in for classic retro.

[ttom]

ne updates

I took over the WoB version, running it soon: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0

[phinix]

But classic retro is still going to happen?

[bigapplepietart]

But classic retro is still going to happen?

Hope so, but perhaps not given that 9009 R3 ran last year.

[equalunique]

But classic retro is still going to happen?

Hope so, but perhaps not given that 9009 R3 ran last year.

Apart from lack of R0, 9009 R3 also slightly repositioned some mod legends, so even though it provided R5 for classic beige fans, it isn't 100% compatible with pre-existing sets. Maybe for those reasons it is still worthwhile moving forward with classic beige for this. (IMHO)

[uppereal]

R5 1u Fn plz

[Shadohhh]

Hope to see WoB R5. Excited to see this move forward eventually.

[ttom]

Hope to see WoB R5. Excited to see this move forward eventually.

hey, I'm running a gb with wob r5 starting in around a month (took over this with the creator's approval)

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0

[PlastikSchnittstelle]

R5 1u Fn plz

+1

any updates?

[ab042896]

Seeing that WoB has been run, is there any chance of something similar in a 9009 colourway, or is this pretty much dead at this point

[dvorcol]

Seeing that WoB has been run, is there any chance of something similar in a 9009 colourway, or is this pretty much dead at this point

Probably better to ask in ttom's WoB R0/R5 group buy thread since that's where this IC went.

Hope to see WoB R5. Excited to see this move forward eventually.

hey, I'm running a gb with wob r5 starting in around a month (took over this with the creator's approval)

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0