[IC]Hammer Dye-sub BSP Group buy Round4(Massdrop GB Starts)

[Puddsy]

i like the nipple

i don't know why everyone hates them

I’m just suggesting having both options, might be nice since the nipple is a love/hate thing

both is fine, but it seems people only want one or the other

a bit different than scoops/bars debate

[Vigrith]

To clarify on what I said, I'd like to have both the nipple and no homing. Nipple's a classic, removing it would be silly, I'd just like to have the option to have no homing at all if I want to.

[Cavemann6]

I would prefer both options

[nastrovje]

I do prefer bars over nipples, but why would anyone want no homing at all? How do you find the right position on the board without looking? 

I also would love a novelty key saying GH/DT or r/mk or Discord/Slack


Nvm the other idea I had before..

[Nafs_asp]

I do prefer bars over nipples, but why would anyone want no homing at all? How do you find the right position on the board without looking? 



I have a different suggestion and maybe it doesn't have place in this GB run, but

What would you think of adding international keys?

Looks like a lot of work, but I think it would be a dream of many.

German layout apl and I explode

I don’t think that would be very feasible for BSP since BSP doesn’t make ISO Enter or 1.25u Left Shift.

As for the homing keys, BSP only has nipples, so it’s either nipples or no homing. I think having both is good because it at least let’s people who hate the nipples have an alternative. I personally don’t need homing keys to type and have some cherry profile typewriter caps (Royal Alpha 115) that have no homing.

[nastrovje]

I don’t think that would be very feasible for BSP since BSP doesn’t make ISO Enter or 1.25u Left Shift.

As for the homing keys, BSP only has nipples, so it’s either nipples or no homing. I think having both is good because it at least let’s people who hate the nipples have an alternative. I personally don’t need homing keys to type and have some cherry profile typewriter caps (Royal Alpha 115) that have no homing.

Slow me )

I think ISO isn't a must, I've talked to many that just want Ö, Ä, Ü, +, # and the number row with correct legends.

to correct this section atleast: https://deskthority.net/w/images/a/a4/Apl02.jpg

[Vigrith]

I do prefer bars over nipples, but why would anyone want no homing at all? How do you find the right position on the board without looking? 

Muscle memory? Not sure if you're asking in a serious manner or not. I rather the feel of uniformity of having no homing at all since I don't need it for anything, the haptic feedback I get from the dish/bar bothers me more than it helps because of that.

It's not a super serious problem, it doesn't really piss me off or anything but if that can be made an option here alongside the nipples then I'm definitely all for it.

[Puddsy]

I don’t think that would be very feasible for BSP since BSP doesn’t make ISO Enter or 1.25u Left Shift.

As for the homing keys, BSP only has nipples, so it’s either nipples or no homing. I think having both is good because it at least let’s people who hate the nipples have an alternative. I personally don’t need homing keys to type and have some cherry profile typewriter caps (Royal Alpha 115) that have no homing.

Slow me )

I think ISO isn't a must, I've talked to many that just want Ö, Ä, Ü, +, # and the number row with correct legends.

to correct this section atleast: https://deskthority.net/w/images/a/a4/Apl02.jpg

no thanks i don't want to pay for keys i'm not gonna use

that's whole draw of BSP for me in the first place

[Nafs_asp]

I don’t think that would be very feasible for BSP since BSP doesn’t make ISO Enter or 1.25u Left Shift.

As for the homing keys, BSP only has nipples, so it’s either nipples or no homing. I think having both is good because it at least let’s people who hate the nipples have an alternative. I personally don’t need homing keys to type and have some cherry profile typewriter caps (Royal Alpha 115) that have no homing.

Slow me )

I think ISO isn't a must, I've talked to many that just want Ö, Ä, Ü, +, # and the number row with correct legends.

to correct this section atleast: https://deskthority.net/w/images/a/a4/Apl02.jpg

no thanks i don't want to pay for keys i'm not gonna use

that's whole draw of BSP for me in the first place

It just seems like it isn’t the right GB for it. Int’l kits are always hard to get to MOQ and it takes a lot of keys to adapt to just one language. My suggestion for a set of non-homing F and J at least only adds two keys.

[Puddsy]

I don’t think that would be very feasible for BSP since BSP doesn’t make ISO Enter or 1.25u Left Shift.

As for the homing keys, BSP only has nipples, so it’s either nipples or no homing. I think having both is good because it at least let’s people who hate the nipples have an alternative. I personally don’t need homing keys to type and have some cherry profile typewriter caps (Royal Alpha 115) that have no homing.

Slow me )

I think ISO isn't a must, I've talked to many that just want Ö, Ä, Ü, +, # and the number row with correct legends.

to correct this section atleast: https://deskthority.net/w/images/a/a4/Apl02.jpg

no thanks i don't want to pay for keys i'm not gonna use

that's whole draw of BSP for me in the first place

It just seems like it isn’t the right GB for it. Int’l kits are always hard to get to MOQ and it takes a lot of keys to adapt to just one language. My suggestion for a set of non-homing F and J at least only adds two keys.

non-homing is fine, easiest solution to the homing key debate

but 95% of people are never gonna use ISO language keys

especially since BSP can't do ISO enter as far as i know

[crtexcnndrm99]

I’d be happy with both homing options


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[nastrovje]

I don’t think that would be very feasible for BSP since BSP doesn’t make ISO Enter or 1.25u Left Shift.

As for the homing keys, BSP only has nipples, so it’s either nipples or no homing. I think having both is good because it at least let’s people who hate the nipples have an alternative. I personally don’t need homing keys to type and have some cherry profile typewriter caps (Royal Alpha 115) that have no homing.

Slow me )

I think ISO isn't a must, I've talked to many that just want Ö, Ä, Ü, +, # and the number row with correct legends.

to correct this section atleast: https://deskthority.net/w/images/a/a4/Apl02.jpg

no thanks i don't want to pay for keys i'm not gonna use

that's whole draw of BSP for me in the first place

Wouldn't want you to pay for anything you don't need. I thought about an add-on kit for the most popular set. Same as I don't want to pay for a whole keyset just to get a few Tulip keys.

UK Kit needs only a small amount of keys and I think you underestimate the amount of germans on Deskthority. MOQ 100 is probably still too much unfortunately.

But what alternative to BSP do you even have? The draw is to get a PBT set with these  legends in the good quality. The OG Cherry PBT Arabic set is 700$+ probably if its similar to Cyrillic. If he offers only with int'l kit for 30$ more you would most likely still buy.

[Puddsy]

I don’t think that would be very feasible for BSP since BSP doesn’t make ISO Enter or 1.25u Left Shift.

As for the homing keys, BSP only has nipples, so it’s either nipples or no homing. I think having both is good because it at least let’s people who hate the nipples have an alternative. I personally don’t need homing keys to type and have some cherry profile typewriter caps (Royal Alpha 115) that have no homing.

Slow me )

I think ISO isn't a must, I've talked to many that just want Ö, Ä, Ü, +, # and the number row with correct legends.

to correct this section atleast: https://deskthority.net/w/images/a/a4/Apl02.jpg

no thanks i don't want to pay for keys i'm not gonna use

that's whole draw of BSP for me in the first place

Wouldn't want you to pay for anything you don't need. I thought about an add-on kit for the most popular set. Same as I don't want to pay for a whole keyset just to get a few Tulip keys.

UK Kit needs only a small amount of keys and I think you underestimate the amount of germans on Deskthority. MOQ 100 is probably still too much unfortunately.

But what alternative to BSP do you even have? The draw is to get a PBT set with these  legends in the good quality. The OG Cherry PBT Arabic set is 700$+ probably if its similar to Cyrillic. If he offers only with int'l kit for 30$ more you would most likely still buy.

OG arabic is blank check, only 3 sets have ever been found

BSP has everything included in this image and that's it

the spacebar is ABS made by GMK, since BSP doesn't have the molds for spacebars

[equalunique]

Count me in for the APL set.

[Hammer]

UPDATE Mar 04#added items='No homing F&J in every set';

[Captainbuttmonkey]

I don’t think that would be very feasible for BSP since BSP doesn’t make ISO Enter or 1.25u Left Shift.

As for the homing keys, BSP only has nipples, so it’s either nipples or no homing. I think having both is good because it at least let’s people who hate the nipples have an alternative. I personally don’t need homing keys to type and have some cherry profile typewriter caps (Royal Alpha 115) that have no homing.

Slow me )

I think ISO isn't a must, I've talked to many that just want Ö, Ä, Ü, +, # and the number row with correct legends.

to correct this section atleast: https://deskthority.net/w/images/a/a4/Apl02.jpg

no thanks i don't want to pay for keys i'm not gonna use

that's whole draw of BSP for me in the first place

Wouldn't want you to pay for anything you don't need. I thought about an add-on kit for the most popular set. Same as I don't want to pay for a whole keyset just to get a few Tulip keys.

UK Kit needs only a small amount of keys and I think you underestimate the amount of germans on Deskthority. MOQ 100 is probably still too much unfortunately.

But what alternative to BSP do you even have? The draw is to get a PBT set with these  legends in the good quality. The OG Cherry PBT Arabic set is 700$+ probably if its similar to Cyrillic. If he offers only with int'l kit for 30$ more you would most likely still buy.

OG arabic is blank check, only 3 sets have ever been found

BSP has everything included in this image and that's it

the spacebar is ABS made by GMK, since BSP doesn't have the molds for spacebars

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Out of curiosity, how would one identify between an OG set and a more recent BSP one? PBT spacebar or something? I know **** all about retro stuff

[Nafs_asp]

I don’t think that would be very feasible for BSP since BSP doesn’t make ISO Enter or 1.25u Left Shift.

As for the homing keys, BSP only has nipples, so it’s either nipples or no homing. I think having both is good because it at least let’s people who hate the nipples have an alternative. I personally don’t need homing keys to type and have some cherry profile typewriter caps (Royal Alpha 115) that have no homing.

Slow me )

I think ISO isn't a must, I've talked to many that just want Ö, Ä, Ü, +, # and the number row with correct legends.

to correct this section atleast: https://deskthority.net/w/images/a/a4/Apl02.jpg

no thanks i don't want to pay for keys i'm not gonna use

that's whole draw of BSP for me in the first place

Wouldn't want you to pay for anything you don't need. I thought about an add-on kit for the most popular set. Same as I don't want to pay for a whole keyset just to get a few Tulip keys.

UK Kit needs only a small amount of keys and I think you underestimate the amount of germans on Deskthority. MOQ 100 is probably still too much unfortunately.

But what alternative to BSP do you even have? The draw is to get a PBT set with these  legends in the good quality. The OG Cherry PBT Arabic set is 700$+ probably if its similar to Cyrillic. If he offers only with int'l kit for 30$ more you would most likely still buy.

OG arabic is blank check, only 3 sets have ever been found

BSP has everything included in this image and that's it

the spacebar is ABS made by GMK, since BSP doesn't have the molds for spacebars

Show Image

Out of curiosity, how would one identify between an OG set and a more recent BSP one? PBT spacebar or something? I know **** all about retro stuff

There will be discernible differences side by side with Cherry dye subs and BSP. The legends on Cherry will be finer and Cherry sets come with scooped homing keys. BSP also has warped shifts (“banana shifts”) and BSP sets have a few keys marked “BSP” on the under side.

[Captainbuttmonkey]

I don’t think that would be very feasible for BSP since BSP doesn’t make ISO Enter or 1.25u Left Shift.

As for the homing keys, BSP only has nipples, so it’s either nipples or no homing. I think having both is good because it at least let’s people who hate the nipples have an alternative. I personally don’t need homing keys to type and have some cherry profile typewriter caps (Royal Alpha 115) that have no homing.

Slow me )

I think ISO isn't a must, I've talked to many that just want Ö, Ä, Ü, +, # and the number row with correct legends.

to correct this section atleast: https://deskthority.net/w/images/a/a4/Apl02.jpg

no thanks i don't want to pay for keys i'm not gonna use

that's whole draw of BSP for me in the first place

Wouldn't want you to pay for anything you don't need. I thought about an add-on kit for the most popular set. Same as I don't want to pay for a whole keyset just to get a few Tulip keys.

UK Kit needs only a small amount of keys and I think you underestimate the amount of germans on Deskthority. MOQ 100 is probably still too much unfortunately.

But what alternative to BSP do you even have? The draw is to get a PBT set with these  legends in the good quality. The OG Cherry PBT Arabic set is 700$+ probably if its similar to Cyrillic. If he offers only with int'l kit for 30$ more you would most likely still buy.

OG arabic is blank check, only 3 sets have ever been found

BSP has everything included in this image and that's it

the spacebar is ABS made by GMK, since BSP doesn't have the molds for spacebars

Show Image

Out of curiosity, how would one identify between an OG set and a more recent BSP one? PBT spacebar or something? I know **** all about retro stuff

There will be discernible differences side by side with Cherry dye subs and BSP. The legends on Cherry will be finer and Cherry sets come with scooped homing keys. BSP also has warped shifts (“banana shifts”) and BSP sets have a few keys marked “BSP” on the under side.

Ah I see, thanks for the info.

[Unforgivable]

Can we get both homing dots and non homing dots? I can’t imagine 2 extra keycaps pushing the price up too much. I’d like everyone to win here.

Edit: Wait, I think based on the update they’re added now? Not replaced right?

Woot! Maybe we can get a 1u Row 4 |\ (For Split Backspace)? If not, I don’t mind. Just glad we get both F/J options now.

[Hammer]

Can we get both homing dots and non homing dots? I can’t imagine 2 extra keycaps pushing the price up too much. I’d like everyone to win here.

Edit: Wait, I think based on the update they’re added now? Not replaced right?

Woot! Maybe we can get a 1u Row 4 |\ (For Split Backspace)? If not, I don’t mind. Just glad we get both F/J options now.

They won't raise the price.

[Hammer]

So there are two versions of base of tulip. If you like the simple looking just choose the OG set. If you like that with blue Greek legends, choose the GK one

UPDATE Mar 05#added items='Tulip OG Set';

[fublamchu]

Is there an estimate as to when this gb will start?

[hansichen]

Will we get icon mods like seen on the mockup in the first post in the tulip set? That would be awesome news for me!

[nastrovje]

Can we please be able to buy only the Tulip keys without set? I have so many standard sets already

[Puddsy]

Can we please be able to buy only the Tulip keys without set? I have so many standard sets already

no thank you

So there are two versions of base of tulip. If you like the simple looking just choose the OG set. If you like that with blue Greek legends, choose the GK one

UPDATE Mar 05#added items='Tulip OG Set';

like em both

the 1u keys are a nice touch

[nastrovje]

Can we please be able to buy only the Tulip keys without set? I have so many standard sets already

no thank you

Why are you against it puddsy? Why not offer both? Whole set and Tulip keys seperately?

[Puddsy]

Can we please be able to buy only the Tulip keys without set? I have so many standard sets already

no thank you

Why are you against it puddsy? Why not offer both? Whole set and Tulip keys seperately?

most people don't have matching sets lying around, and sorting could be annoying

and MOQ is kinda big so that might take away from it for those of us that don't have matching sets

[Hammer]

Can we please be able to buy only the Tulip keys without set? I have so many standard sets already

Sorry I don't know how to calculate the cost of that.

[crtexcnndrm99]

Tulip mock up looks solid

No question about it, I will have to get both Tulip and Arabic

Also, I vote for hebrew next round (I realise it was run previously, hence it not being in R4..)

[LightningXI]

Tulip mock up looks solid

No question about it, I will have to get both Tulip and Arabic

Also, I vote for hebrew next round (I realise it was run previously, hence it not being in R4..)

Would love to see re-runs of every set eventually. Peacock, Irish, Cyrillic Red, Cyrillic Blue, Desko... Etc

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[Vigrith]

(...)Cyrillic Red(...)

pls yes

[dblack]

Did some better photos of BSP Desko.

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BSP Desko by T0mb3ry, auf Flickr

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BSP Desko by T0mb3ry, auf Flickr

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BSP Desko left modifiers by T0mb3ry, auf Flickr

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BSP Desko right modifiers by T0mb3ry, auf Flickr

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BSP Desko navigation cluster by T0mb3ry, auf Flickr

desko is gorgeous man, i need  ^-^

[sncbraxsc2]

It took me a lot of time to copy that from Cherry's original Arabic keycaps, I'll let the similarity reach 95%.

R4 GB List

• Arabic Ansi
• APL Ansi
• Tulip OG Ansi
• Tulip GK Ansi
• RGB Set
• Retro Winkey Set

Tulip with Greek legends??? I wonder what this will look like! Sounds awesome

Mockup with Icon only legends too!! Is that accurate?

[hansichen]

Let's hope that the icon mods are accurate, that would sell me for a full set!

[crtexcnndrm99]

Tulip mock up looks solid

No question about it, I will have to get both Tulip and Arabic

Also, I vote for hebrew next round (I realise it was run previously, hence it not being in R4..)

Would love to see re-runs of every set eventually. Peacock, Irish, Cyrillic Red, Cyrillic Blue, Desko... Etc

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Yeah scratch that. Desko is the hottest set tbh


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[Puddsy]

Tulip mock up looks solid

No question about it, I will have to get both Tulip and Arabic

Also, I vote for hebrew next round (I realise it was run previously, hence it not being in R4..)

Would love to see re-runs of every set eventually. Peacock, Irish, Cyrillic Red, Cyrillic Blue, Desko... Etc

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Yeah scratch that. Desko is the hottest set tbh


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i love my OG desko set, so cannot be opposed to a BSP version

[Hammer]

It took me a lot of time to copy that from Cherry's original Arabic keycaps, I'll let the similarity reach 95%.

R4 GB List

• Arabic Ansi
• APL Ansi
• Tulip OG Ansi
• Tulip GK Ansi
• RGB Set
• Retro Winkey Set

Tulip with Greek legends??? I wonder what this will look like! Sounds awesome

Mockup with Icon only legends too!! Is that accurate?

OG with the icon but not GK

[sncbraxsc2]

It took me a lot of time to copy that from Cherry's original Arabic keycaps, I'll let the similarity reach 95%.

R4 GB List

• Arabic Ansi
• APL Ansi
• Tulip OG Ansi
• Tulip GK Ansi
• RGB Set
• Retro Winkey Set

Tulip with Greek legends??? I wonder what this will look like! Sounds awesome

Mockup with Icon only legends too!! Is that accurate?

OG with the icon but not GK

  The way this looks, I may need one of everything...

Thank you

[crtexcnndrm99]

Tulip mock up looks solid

No question about it, I will have to get both Tulip and Arabic

Also, I vote for hebrew next round (I realise it was run previously, hence it not being in R4..)

Would love to see re-runs of every set eventually. Peacock, Irish, Cyrillic Red, Cyrillic Blue, Desko... Etc

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Yeah scratch that. Desko is the hottest set tbh


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i love my OG desko set, so cannot be opposed to a BSP version

*flex* haha

But seriously, I agree desko is a sweet set, to try the OG would be amazing

[futurecrime]

In for some tulips. Bloody lovely.

[Hammer]

Hey guys, we've worked out the Tulip GK Set at last, and here is the render
I chose Parthenon as the Winkey, wish you like it.

[LightningXI]

Hey guys, we've worked out the Tulip GK Set at last, and here is the render

Love it!!! The Greek sublegends are a great addition. Can't wait for the buy!

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[Hammer]

I created three kinds of ANSI APL Layouts but It's difficult to make a decision.
So let's vote on that.

• ANSI DE
• ANSI US
• ANSI DE-US

[Nafs_asp]

ANSI US - I think if it is being done as an ANSI layout adapting it to US makes the most sense.

[Blackhawk]

ANSI US +1

[Hako]

Any chance for ansi us with icon mods?

[LightningXI]

I created three kinds of ANSI APL Layouts but It's difficult to make a decision.
So let's vote on that.

• ANSI DE
• ANSI US
• ANSI DE-US

I would vote for ANSI US with icon mods.

But if that choice is not given, then ANSI-DE-US.

[futurecrime]

ANSI US. Yes please.

[oatmicro]

+1 for ANSI US

[Cavemann6]

ANSI US