[IC] KAT WoB - IC Closed, details inside

[rondg]

I am in. Hopefully my wallet is too.

[carlouws]

Would it be possible to add two 1.5 R4 Super keys in the TKL kit? These would allow a MacOS or a MacOS-like layout in 7u bottom-rows and in WKL when using alt and super in R4 and ctrl in R2.

Hey there! What do you mean by "Super" keys for the 1.5u? Shouldn't the 1.5u alt keys work for that or am I over looking something?

I meant the meta/sys/command/win key. The alt key works for sure but it was about having the right symbol in the right place.

[rondg]

Any chance to move the R0 1u Del key to the TKL Modifiers kit?
That's the only key needed to cover the basic (standard?) 75% layout for alpha + tkl modifier, at least for me.

[nguyenhimself]

1. God I LOVE that you use the proper ⌥ icon for the Alt/Option modifier and not the upside down variation. That has been one of my pet peeves with GMK sets.

2. Since we're already almost there: Any chance of switching ◊ to ⌘? KAT Milkshake did have a Command kit for just that Mac key, though I don't think Windows & Linux users would mind having ⌘ instead of ◊ in all the mod kits

[krio]

Looking forward to putting this on my boardwalk. Hope the ergo is supported!

[TheAutoManCan]

Nice! I'm a huge fan of all-icon sets so this is a must buy. Just have a few things to say.

-The icon for Scroll Lock looks like it would be better suited for Insert. Maybe Scroll Lock could be up-and-down arrows with a bar through the middle or something like that?
-Caps Lock icon just looks upside down in my eyes. Caps Lock is based on the old Shift Lock so I think the open arrow pointed up with a bar underneath makes more sense.

Also, I might be wrong but aren't some of the rows mislabeled on the TKL kit? Based on the Alphas and the Numpad kits the (2u) Backspace row would be R1, the Tab row would be R2, and so on.

I'll definitely consider changing those if the ask is there I put a lot of effort into the icons so I am glad you are liking them for the most part! Regarding the row profiles, they are correct. The extra R0 in the numpad kit is for users with 1800/compact 1800 style boards since they need an extra set of top-row caps for the numpad cluster.

You sure though? In the top section of the TKL Mods kit the Shift row is R3 but for the extra Shift keys on the bottom you have them as R4. The Numpad kit rows are labelled correctly, and since the Num Lock row is R1 then that would mean that the 2u Backspace row should also be R1.

[kairuwu]

this and a second round of alpha for monochrome 

looking forward

[Mcnos]

Nice OCM novelty there. Way to imprint yourself in the hobby 4 eva

[Owl]

Hangul instead of Hiragana and I'd be interested for sure. Looks good though and people will like it regardless.

[nguyenhimself]

this and a second round of alpha for monochrome 

looking forward

Well there's KAT alpha, the first set of this profile. No icon modifier though.

[nguyenhimself]

BTW, considering this is reverse dye-subbed PBT, what's the guess-timated lead time for this set? Sanctuary PBT is gonna take like 5 months I believe.

[architones]

Interested! Has the KAT profile been tested with reverse dyesub (which is what I'm assuming will be the case here)?

I've gotten photos of some samples, and am waiting on some for myself as well!

Great! Can't wait to see the samples.

[jrs]

I'd like to see a render of it on the wilba.tech Thermal.

[rpiguy9907]

What in the world is The Key Company SP-111 in the renders? Google turned up nothing.

[Nvmbra]

Aren't the rows numbered wrong in the TKL mod kit?
The current Tab key is in the same row as the number keys. So for the first row of alphas you would have R1(for the mods) and R2(for the alphas) mixed together.
It looks like you moved the rows after the function keys one row further down than need to be.

Any chance to move the R0 1u Del key to the TKL Modifiers kit?
That's the only key needed to cover the basic (standard?) 75% layout for alpha + tkl modifier, at least for me.

I second this after you fixed the rows but I think he means for R1 instead of R0.

There's currently no way to do HHKB/Tsangan layout for example without having mixed rows.
If you fix the rows it would open up more compatibility for 60-75% layouts.

[harlekein]

I don't think Windows & Linux users would mind having ⌘ instead of ◊ in all the mod kits

I most certainly would.

[harlekein]

Hangul instead of Hiragana and I'd be interested for sure. Looks good though and people will like it regardless.

Full mono hangul kit would be amazing.

[_ODIN_]

Very interested in this keyset.
A NorDe kit would be awesome.

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[sevenseacat]

+1 for a Colevrak kit!

[RETURNISO]

Very interested!

+1 for a Norde kit 

[nguyenhimself]

I don't think Windows & Linux users would mind having ⌘ instead of ◊ in all the mod kits

I most certainly would.

Unlike the Windows key, ⌘ is a pretty... neutral icon, no?

[ocm]

Nice! I'm a huge fan of all-icon sets so this is a must buy. Just have a few things to say.

-The icon for Scroll Lock looks like it would be better suited for Insert. Maybe Scroll Lock could be up-and-down arrows with a bar through the middle or something like that?
-Caps Lock icon just looks upside down in my eyes. Caps Lock is based on the old Shift Lock so I think the open arrow pointed up with a bar underneath makes more sense.

Also, I might be wrong but aren't some of the rows mislabeled on the TKL kit? Based on the Alphas and the Numpad kits the (2u) Backspace row would be R1, the Tab row would be R2, and so on.

I'll definitely consider changing those if the ask is there I put a lot of effort into the icons so I am glad you are liking them for the most part! Regarding the row profiles, they are correct. The extra R0 in the numpad kit is for users with 1800/compact 1800 style boards since they need an extra set of top-row caps for the numpad cluster.

You sure though? In the top section of the TKL Mods kit the Shift row is R3 but for the extra Shift keys on the bottom you have them as R4. The Numpad kit rows are labelled correctly, and since the Num Lock row is R1 then that would mean that the 2u Backspace row should also be R1.

I am so dumb lol you are right those are definitely misnumbered

[ocm]

Aren't the rows numbered wrong in the TKL mod kit?
The current Tab key is in the same row as the number keys. So for the first row of alphas you would have R1(for the mods) and R2(for the alphas) mixed together.
It looks like you moved the rows after the function keys one row further down than need to be.

Any chance to move the R0 1u Del key to the TKL Modifiers kit?
That's the only key needed to cover the basic (standard?) 75% layout for alpha + tkl modifier, at least for me.

I second this after you fixed the rows but I think he means for R1 instead of R0.

There's currently no way to do HHKB/Tsangan layout for example without having mixed rows.
If you fix the rows it would open up more compatibility for 60-75% layouts.

Yep I'm dumb and misnumbered the rows lol going to get that fixed asap. I'm not sure what is preventing hhkb/Tsangan at the moment since the R2 backspace and R1 tilde and pipe/slash keys are included. Is there a Tsangan variant that uses a 1u delete in R1?

[Magnificent Bureaucrat]

I love it when a IC comes out of nowhere and pushes just the right buttons, It having separate ISO support is the cherry on top.
I can see this looking really clean on my gingham build.

[raptorzoz]

Very interested!

+1 for a Norde kit 

seconding this, Norde would be a great addition

[Adelscott]

Nice set ! Could you add a ISO-FR kit please ?
(This seems like my daily routine for each new KAT set, I apologize for the repetitiveness)

Heya! Definitely something I can consider! I've had a few requests for it.

In the name of the true baguette people : thanks 

[Nvmbra]

Aren't the rows numbered wrong in the TKL mod kit?
The current Tab key is in the same row as the number keys. So for the first row of alphas you would have R1(for the mods) and R2(for the alphas) mixed together.
It looks like you moved the rows after the function keys one row further down than need to be.

Any chance to move the R0 1u Del key to the TKL Modifiers kit?
That's the only key needed to cover the basic (standard?) 75% layout for alpha + tkl modifier, at least for me.

I second this after you fixed the rows but I think he means for R1 instead of R0.

There's currently no way to do HHKB/Tsangan layout for example without having mixed rows.
If you fix the rows it would open up more compatibility for 60-75% layouts.

Yep I'm dumb and misnumbered the rows lol going to get that fixed asap. I'm not sure what is preventing hhkb/Tsangan at the moment since the R2 backspace and R1 tilde and pipe/slash keys are included. Is there a Tsangan variant that uses a 1u delete in R1?

That was only an example for the misnumbered rows. If they're getting fixed it's all good.

The R1 Delete key is used on 65% or 75% layouts, if you look at some renders of GMK sets you should be able to see what I mean.

Anyway, definitely in for at least one set.

[ocm]

Aren't the rows numbered wrong in the TKL mod kit?
The current Tab key is in the same row as the number keys. So for the first row of alphas you would have R1(for the mods) and R2(for the alphas) mixed together.
It looks like you moved the rows after the function keys one row further down than need to be.

Any chance to move the R0 1u Del key to the TKL Modifiers kit?
That's the only key needed to cover the basic (standard?) 75% layout for alpha + tkl modifier, at least for me.

I second this after you fixed the rows but I think he means for R1 instead of R0.

There's currently no way to do HHKB/Tsangan layout for example without having mixed rows.
If you fix the rows it would open up more compatibility for 60-75% layouts.

Yep I'm dumb and misnumbered the rows lol going to get that fixed asap. I'm not sure what is preventing hhkb/Tsangan at the moment since the R2 backspace and R1 tilde and pipe/slash keys are included. Is there a Tsangan variant that uses a 1u delete in R1?

That was only an example for the misnumbered rows. If they're getting fixed it's all good.

The R1 Delete key is used on 65% or 75% layouts, if you look at some renders of GMK sets you should be able to see what I mean.

Anyway, definitely in for at least one set.

I fixed the rows for the TKL kit, does everything look kosher now? I still need to add the delete, but hopefully it makes more sense now

[depletedvespene]

I don't think Windows & Linux users would mind having ⌘ instead of ◊ in all the mod kits

I most certainly would.

Unlike the Windows key, ⌘ is a pretty... neutral icon, no?

NO (YMMV).

For some of us, the ⌘ symbol is totally and utterly tied to Apple, second only to the bitten apple symbol in brand association.

[harlekein]

I don't think Windows & Linux users would mind having ⌘ instead of ◊ in all the mod kits

I most certainly would.

Unlike the Windows key, ⌘ is a pretty... neutral icon, no?

NO (YMMV).

For some of us, the ⌘ symbol is totally and utterly tied to Apple, second only to the bitten apple symbol in brand association.

Agreed. I don't want windows keys and I certainly don't want apple keys.

[depletedvespene]

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I fixed the rows for the TKL kit, does everything look kosher now? I still need to add the delete, but hopefully it makes more sense now

Ok, here I go again.

Alphas: no issues.
Hiragana alphas: don't know enough to make an informed comment.

TKL modifiers: most of the stuff needed for 75% and 65% is there... EXCEPT R0 Insert and Delete keys, which ARE used a lot in 75% keyboards. The are both on on the next kit (numpad and 1800), but I'm not sure if they should reside there instead of inthe TKL modifiers kit.

Heck, note that "TKL modifiers" is a misnomer, as this set supports TKL, 60%, 65% and (almost completely) 75%.

While we're at it: as long as KAT is still in early stages and there is some wiggle room to play around, consider adding 1.5U R0 Esc and Delete keys (as is done in Vortex keyboards) to this kit.

ISO: Did I mention the need to add the R3 \| key, for full US English over ISO or ANSISO support? If not or if so, don't forget to add the R3 \| key, for full US English over ISO or ANSISO support. Because having the R3 \| key, for full US English over ISO or ANSISO support is, like, quite important and stuff.

P.S.: add the R3 \| key, for full US English over ISO or ANSISO support. Thanks.

And if you're really feeling generous, add an R4 <> key as well, so both traditions of US English over ISO (but not ANSISO, duh) can be covered.


Ergo/40s/ortho: don't know enough to make an informed comment.

[JSaintS]

Before going any further, can I just say that all rows are wrong?

R5 is at the top and it goes down to R0. Milkshake had this wrong.

[KingOfMemes]

I don't think Windows & Linux users would mind having ⌘ instead of ◊ in all the mod kits

I most certainly would.

Unlike the Windows key, ⌘ is a pretty... neutral icon, no?

As an Arch user myself, not only would I mind ⌘ instead of ◊, I am actually offended that you had the audacity to even suggest the ⌘ symbol is neutral. It's a symbol of evil, corporate, proprietary,  closed source software, which big strong daddy Stallman has fought tooth and nail to free the layman from. Placing the ⌘ key would show great disrespect to the perfect 100iq society and movement of FOSS. It would be no different than flying an offensive flag, or tattooing a scarlet letter upon my bosom.

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[depletedvespene]

Before going any further, can I just say that all rows are wrong?

R5 is at the top and it goes down to R0. Milkshake had this wrong.

That's another thing that needs to be corrected as soon as possible, so future KAT sets won't run into errors. I suggest that we all agree on naming the rows on KAT sets as "Kn" instead of "Rn", so there will be no ambiguities as to which row is anyone referring to.

[ocm]

Before going any further, can I just say that all rows are wrong?

R5 is at the top and it goes down to R0. Milkshake had this wrong.

Hey JSaintS!

I was trying to follow Biip's lead and get the row naming more closely aligned with what we are used to with GMK/SP/JTK and the like. If this is an issue, I can definitely remedy it.

[JSaintS]

Before going any further, can I just say that all rows are wrong?

R5 is at the top and it goes down to R0. Milkshake had this wrong.

Hey JSaintS!

I was trying to follow Biip's lead and get the row naming more closely aligned with what we are used to with GMK/SP/JTK and the like. If this is an issue, I can definitely remedy it.

I did the same with my kits at first ^^ I sent them to Alex for quoting and he informed me that they were wrong. I do not think it is a huge problem, but for future keyset designers that will check previous KAT sets for reference and for quoting, I think it is "important" (everything that speeds up the quoting process is a plus imo, specially given the fact that we have zFrontier as a middle man and it's not direct conversation with the manufacturer)

[Popopro]

Zfrontier gonna be a proxy for this?

[merutz]

Deskmat needs the dope skull logo in the middle or in the right bottom corner imo. 

[ocm]

Zfrontier gonna be a proxy for this?

Yep! Zfrontier is the point of contact with Keyreative and I believe proxies all KAT/KAM profile sets.

[Kevadu]

I don't think Windows & Linux users would mind having ⌘ instead of ◊ in all the mod kits

I most certainly would.

I would as well.

[Popopro]

Zfrontier gonna be a proxy for this?

Yep! Zfrontier is the point of contact with Keyreative and I believe proxies all KAT/KAM profile sets.

Nice! Makes this set so much more accessible for me then. Definitely in for this!

[rondg]

I second this after you fixed the rows but I think he means for R1 instead of R0.

I actually do mean R0. I always put my Del key to the upper right corner, same row with the function keys.

[psxndc]

... which big strong daddy Stallman has fought tooth and nail to free the layman from. ...

You mean this guy?

I appreciate that he wrote emacs, but, dude.... gross.

[Nvmbra]

I fixed the rows for the TKL kit, does everything look kosher now? I still need to add the delete, but hopefully it makes more sense now

Looks good to me!

I second this after you fixed the rows but I think he means for R1 instead of R0.

I actually do mean R0. I always put my Del key to the upper right corner, same row with the function keys.

Alright my bad, the assumption came from WoB Hiragana but I forgot the rows are different there.

[OmniSzron]

... which big strong daddy Stallman has fought tooth and nail to free the layman from. ...

You mean this guy?

I appreciate that he wrote emacs, but, dude.... gross.

Didn't he also support some pedophile associated with Jeffrey Epstein? Dude is dodgy AF.

But back to the set, though. This is a brilliant set, but I don't think I can justify getting another right after getting 8008 and Milkshake. Those deskmats, tho. They do look spicy.

[ocm]

Mini update -

Things I'm working on -

Command kit for Mac keys (2 1u, 2 1.25u, and 2 1.5u)
Colevrak kik
International kit
ISO-FR kit

Things I'm not working on -

Text mods
More/different legend alpha kits

[Zilleon]

Mini update -

Things I'm working on -

Command kit for Mac keys (2 1u, 2 1.25u, and 2 1.5u)
Colevrak kik
International kit
ISO-FR kit

Things I'm not working on -

Text mods
More/different legend alpha kits

Very excited to hear about the Colevrak kit!
Thank you so much!

[psxndc]

Nice OCM novelty there. Way to imprint yourself in the hobby 4 eva

Is the plan to actually have an OCM novelty? Because I'm honestly digging it. Thanks for at least considering Colevrak btw.

[lush_bunny]

Form filled! Very interested int his.

[asianfork]

Tbh, I wasn't a big fan of WoB. But seeing it on KAT looks very nice