The following below were dropped
- clarified that the other capslock was dropped, seeing as Sixty's doubleshot will already have a compatible Cherry keyboard capslock.
- Command keys have been dropped since only 1 person wanted it, and their ok with just blanks. Getting both blanks and command key is kinda a bit much.
- Function row keys were dropped (F1-F12 + 4 media keys)
2 x alt
2 x control
2 x windows logo keys
1 x spacebar
1 x menu key
1 x Caps Lock (centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky/Filco etc) UNSTEPPED
2 x blank 1.25'' keys (windows logo key alternative)
1 x Right shift (compatibility for some sets that came from 1800 series keyboards)
The following below were dropped
- clarified that the other capslock was dropped, seeing as Sixty's doubleshot will already have a compatible Cherry keyboard capslock.
- Command keys have been dropped since only 1 person wanted it, and their ok with just blanks. Getting both blanks and command key is kinda a bit much.
- Function row keys were dropped (F1-F12 + 4 media keys)
7bit: OK, here are the prices for the version with the additional 2 blanks:
$24/10
$18/15
$15/20
$13/25
Before another riot starts: The right-hand shift is 2.3x expansive than the 2 blanks and alos not necessary for everybody. Leaving it out, we would have $20/10 and $11/25.
I can understand the command key if your a mac user.
But blanks ? In case you think the control and alt fonts aren't so matching as you had thought ?
I think we can consider adding the commands into the set, but the blanks maybe add a poll later ?
Don't you mean beige and ivory?
Anyway, I think I'm in for two sets of them, and maybe two of the black as well :-)
Do you have a better idea about what the actual price per set will be? I think that will help a lot of people decide how many they want.
Is that the total price or the price per set?
Ok will update after my starcraft 2 game.
If a right side shift in black/white is possible I'd buy another black set.
Hi manfaux - no problem. Regarding the photo of my keyboard, this set is for JUST the bottom row (to complete the look of the keyboard); so the Ctrl, alt, win key, spacebar, and menu key. It was mainly created for those who purchase Sixty's 101 set of vintage white/gray Cherry doubleshots, which are what you see on my keyboard in the photo. I hope this clears things up; let me know if you have any questions.
I see, i was just wondering if this order we are putting together here looks just like your picture.
Good luck with trying to get Signature Plastics to do that. They seem to be kinda stupid about getting the details 100% like getting the font, texture and key geometry to match. Kinda amazing to me given the handful of key manufacturers out there they could just clone.
@Moogle
Sweet guide, thanks a bunch. now I'm off to ebay..
So can I order a standalone core kit?
Which color ?
Diese Datei stellt ein Logo oder ein ähnliches Objekt dar. Da es dem Marken- oder Namensrecht unterliegt, müssen bei der Weiterverwendung diese Schutzrechte beachtet werden.
Auch in der Wikipedia unterliegt die Verwendung diesen Einschränkungen. Die Datei darf ausschließlich zu enzyklopädischen Zwecken und in mit dem Logo im Zusammenhang stehenden Artikeln verwendet werden.
^^^ It says: NO!
But, feel free to ask Cherry if we could use the logo.
The contenders:
http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/vag-rounded/vagrounded-bold-2/
Overall, I'd say go with VAG for those specific caps. But then, not every one is a font snob, and this is such a minor point to nitpick.
The contenders:
http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/vag-rounded/vagrounded-bold-2/
Overall, I'd say go with VAG for those specific caps. But then, not every one is a font snob, and this is such a minor point to nitpick.
Put me down for a beige/white standard kit if you could please and thanks.
Welcome to GeekHack and thanks for participating in this group buy!
maybe we can put up a post at OCN or something :)
Is the prize 10 american dollars for a white core? And will the windows keys be double shot as well?
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jHFO9.jpg)
This Windows-logo keys are double shot, but not the LED-window keys. SP just can't do that.
I will check the price with SP as soon as I get a list of what should be ordered and sixty came forward with the color-codes.
Edit: Just in time!
Can we please keep this thread strictly about the group buy and not side track into random ****? Thank you.
Speaking of random ****, that pic is not the real SNSD. Just some Japanese fans dressed as them. :)
I got a message from SP:
The good news is:
Yes, they can make keys with transparent sections.
The bad news is:
No, it can't be the Cherry-style window, and ...
If they have got a window:
Nope, they can't do them double shot, because ...
It would be tripple shot in fact, which SP had not yet invented. :-(
There are 2 options:
- Pad-printing the text (costly, bad quality)
- Window only.
The window could be any simple shape like a circle, square, rectangle and triangle.
3 of these symbols (circle, square, triangle) are very classic. These appeared on the legendary Space Cadet keyboard and also on the later Symbolics keyboards.
I will make a graphic of the Ducky layout with those key caps.
I still wait for the prices by the way....
.................................
... $3.85 each! (if produced 25, as always)
OK, forget it with the Symbolics-like shapes, here is a pic I just received (hope it is allowed to post here; did not ask)Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14685&stc=1&d=1294691775)
As you can see, no Cherry-style window.
What would come closest, would be an upright rectangle at the bottom of the key-top (not shown here).
What a shame rally, they can't do them with double shot labels.
Cherry key seems unlikely since nobody has managed to get Cherry corp's permission yet. Also i think people want to save on costs and just get the core kit foremost. But we will do a vote and see later.
I strongly recommed to put everything in one kit (ie 2 kits, white/beige and black). No extras, except for blanks or these function-row caps with LED-windows in them.
Core kit:
1. 2 x alt, 2 x control, 2 x windows, spacebar, 1 x menu key, 1 x capslock centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky etc; 1 x right shift key
2. 3 x led windowed keys for function row + 1 x capslock led windowed key
3. Basically the original ducky kit minus the *Show Image(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9425/p18p.th.jpg) (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/p18p.jpg/)
Core kit:
1. 2 x alt, 2 x control, 2 x windows, spacebar, 1 x menu key, 1 x capslock centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky etc; 1 x right shift key; 2 x 1.25'' blank keys (basically a windows logo key substitute)
How much more support does white on black need? Does it need to be 50/50? 60/40? 70/30?
Anyways enough with what i voted i wanted; below is the official core kit specs and extra options based on 7bit's suggestions and the majority of what the voters want/need.
I assume that MOOGLEWHITE has white keycaps with black letters.
I assume that MOOGLEWHITE has white keycaps with black letters.
ok so those of us that are on the list do not need to send a vote to 7bit_vote right?
He said he added us in already?
also, beige/white and white-on-black are going to be two separate orders, we are definitely well short of 25 each aren't we?
Just a quick note: the bottom row Win keys are not 1.25 inches, they're 1,25 times the width of a single alphanumeric key (I think). The 1.25 is a relative multiplier only.
:)
This has all become mindboggling. My tiny brain is having trouble keeping up...
If I vote for MOOGLEWHITE do I get beige modifiers? In other words, it's called WHITE because the bulk of the keys for that colour scheme would be white(ish).
Do I do this over at 7bit's thread?
Excellent, that's all I needed to know.
I might need to buy another keyboard for these all these caps...
MOOGLEWHITE................Quantity of people interested: 14 (Cherry vintage supplement kit) ($20/25 #25)
MOOGLEBLACK.................quantity of people interested: 6 (Cherry vintage supplement kit) ($20/25 #25)
MOOGLEWHITE................Quantity of people interested: 14 (Cherry vintage supplement kit) ($20/25 #25)
MOOGLEBLACK.................quantity of people interested: 6 (Cherry vintage supplement kit) ($20/25 #25)
By the way 7bit, for the spacebar, which specification spacebar do we get ? Like example, keyboardfan has a Cherry g80-3494; and i have a Ducky dk-9008. So will the spacebar option be a dual compatible ? or what :x
Leopold/Archiss of course is not an option.
for those in the list, we don't need to PM 7bit unless we want optional keys to go with the standard set, correct?
wait, do I have to vote for MOOGLEBLACK to 7bit even though I'm already on the list?
Thinking about casting a vote for MOOGLEBLACK, but so far it's only at 6, and I'm not willing to pay much more than $20 for these, especially since I'm getting a few other sets at the same time.
no you do not.
only send in a vote if you want to edit your order.
7bit already added the people who was on the list to the order.
grep manfaux poll_data.val | grep MOOGLE
manfaux,MOOGLEBLACK,1
no you do not.
only send in a vote if you want to edit your order.
7bit already added the people who was on the list to the order.
grep manfaux poll_data.val | grep MOOGLE
manfaux,MOOGLEBLACK,1
no you do not.
only send in a vote if you want to edit your order.
7bit already added the people who was on the list to the order.
Funny, if everybody thinks that way, it will stuck at 6 or even less.
Vote for it and it will be 7 and mayby someone else jumps on as well ...
You can change your vote any time until you actually paid.
Ok ok, fine. Vote cast.
Any picture what the led windowed keys look like ?
Preferably we want 20 ish if possible for the kit. So please more people sign up :X
Anyway i am committed to 2 sets of Moogle White :x
7bit, so it's confirmed that the Core kit is the following keys included?
2 x alt
2 x control
2 x windows logo keys
1 x spacebar
1 x menu key
1 x capslock (centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky/Filco etc)
2 x blank 1.25'' keys (windows logo key alternative)
1 x Right shift (compatibility for some sets that came from 1800 series keyboards)
12 keys ?
Anyway, from my perspective, the 28 USD price tag for a set is like 2.3 USD per key.
7bit, did sixty manage to get back to you regarding the colors.Show Image(http://kbdholic.net/xe/files/attach/images/54/813/005/IMG_1639.JPG)
Oh the way it is like you said is fine with me.
Sign me up for 2 of the Moogle white :D
*i will update the front thread with the latest info
People asked me before about capslock is it stepped or unstepped ??
I think we should have it like this
1 x Caps Lock (centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky/Filco etc) = UNSTEPPED
1 x Caps Lock (with off-center key stem for Cherry keyboards) = STEPPED
Rather than getting 2 sets of keys for both in stepped and unstepped which would add more to the cost.
I hope everybody is ok with this arrangement ??
What is up with the core kit now? 31 keys? Are you kidding me??
This is driving up the cost ridiculously. I especially think the Ducky function keys are particularly frivolous and wasteful. The only keys I'm going to use are:
2 x alt
2 x control
2 x windows logo keys
1 x spacebar
1 x menu key
That's 8 keys! Wtf!!!
Sounds fine to me, as long as we're not holding up the order for everyone else. So:
2 x alt
2 x control
2 x windows logo keys
1 x spacebar
1 x menu key
1 x right shift
That sound right?
That sound right?
I thought Right Shift was only in the black kit?
I don't mind subsidising an extra one or two keys I might not use
Also didn't everyone already vote ?
Anyway round 2 of votes, just pm vote 7bit whether you want the ducky kit dropped from the core kit or not.
We are going with what most people want :p so no bickering please, or creating drama in thread.
@nathanscribe
Like 7bit said, we can't have too many little separate orders. the core kit with 31 keys is already a small order.
Yes. I think this should be the "core kit".
Well clearly there has been some frustration expressed about the contents of this kit, which I think is justified given how much it has changed.
I would've thought lots of orders for a 10 key kit would've been better than a handful for a 31 key kit.
Core kit:
Quote:
2 x alt
2 x control
2 x windows logo keys
1 x spacebar
1 x menu key
1 x Caps Lock (centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky/Filco etc) UNSTEPPED
1 x Caps Lock (with off-center key stem for Cherry keyboards) UNSTEPPED
2 x blank 1.25'' keys (windows logo key alternative)
1 x Right shift (compatibility for some sets that came from 1800 series keyboards)
2 x Command (basically for apple MAC fans)
Function keys: Calc, PC, Mail, Home and F1 to F12 partially with media symbols as on the Ducky keyboard.
31 keys in total.
REVISED Core kit:
Quote:
2 x alt
2 x control
2 x windows logo keys
1 x spacebar
1 x menu key
1 x Caps Lock (centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky/Filco etc) UNSTEPPED
1 x Caps Lock (with off-center key stem for Cherry keyboards) UNSTEPPED
2 x blank 1.25'' keys (windows logo key alternative)
1 x Right shift (compatibility for some sets that came from 1800 series keyboards)
2 x Command (basically for apple MAC fans)
15 keys in total.
Core kit:
Quote:
2 x alt
2 x control
2 x windows logo keys
1 x spacebar
1 x menu key
1 x Caps Lock (centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky/Filco etc)
1 x Caps Lock (with off-center key stem for Cherry keyboards)
2 x blank 1.25'' keys (windows logo key alternative)
1 x Right shift (compatibility for some sets that came from 1800 series keyboards)
2 x Command (basically for apple MAC fans)
Function keys: Calc, PC, Mail, Home and F1 to F12 partially with media symbols as on the Ducky keyboard.
31 keys in total.
REVISED Core kit:
Quote:
2 x alt
2 x control
2 x windows logo keys
1 x spacebar
1 x menu key
1 x Caps Lock (centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky/Filco etc)
1 x Caps Lock (with off-center key stem for Cherry keyboards)
2 x blank 1.25'' keys (windows logo key alternative)
1 x Right shift (compatibility for some sets that came from 1800 series keyboards)
2 x Command (basically for apple MAC fans)
15 keys in total.
When you pm 7bit, these are the 2 choices.
Moogle original core kit
Moogle revised core kit
@keyboardlover
Feel free to ask 7bit directly if you want. But the core kit is strictly going to have to be REVISED Core kit since the majority needs these keys even if 3-4 you don't.
So vote what you want :/
Sorry for not responding earlier, I was in the cinema.
I thought that that these function keys where necessary, so I included them. If the majority does not want the, I throw them out. Same for the 2 Command keys. This is not my kit after all, it is Moogle's.
I've put every key mentioned here into that kit. If you can decide about a shorter list of keys, I will update the list and the prices will be lower.
I can offer the 7 bottom row modifier keys, a space bar, a right Shift and a Caps Lock key @ $22/10, $16/15, $14/20, or $12/25 .
Sorry for not responding earlier, I was in the cinema.
I thought that that these function keys where necessary, so I included them. If the majority does not want the, I throw them out. Same for the 2 Command keys. This is not my kit after all, it is Moogle's.
I've put every key mentioned here into that kit. If you can decide about a shorter list of keys, I will update the list and the prices will be lower.
I can offer the 7 bottom row modifier keys, a space bar, a right Shift and a Caps Lock key @ $22/10, $16/15, $14/20, or $12/25 .
Or, if you don't want the kit as it is, just send zero votes to 7bit_vote, which will save him some time:
MOOGLEBLACK 0
MOOGLEWHITE 0
Got it, so MOOGLEREVISEDBLACK?
Yes correct.
MOOGLEORIGINALWhite
MOOGLEORIGINALBlack
MOOGLEREVISEDBLACK
MOOGLEREVISEDWHITE
So just vote now :} need to wrap up quick.
PS: having some problem loading geekhack its slow for me.
2 x alt
2 x control
2 x windows logo keys
1 x spacebar
1 x menu key
1 x Caps Lock (centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky/Filco etc) UNSTEPPED
2 x blank 1.25'' keys (windows logo key alternative)
1 x Right shift (compatibility for some sets that came from 1800 series keyboards)
@ $22/10, $16/15, $14/20, or $12/25 .
2 x alt
2 x control
2 x windows logo keys
1 x spacebar
1 x menu key
1 x Caps Lock (centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky/Filco etc) UNSTEPPED
2 x blank 1.25'' keys (windows logo key alternative)
1 x Right shift (compatibility for some sets that came from 1800 series keyboards)
@ $22/10, $16/15, $14/20, or $12/25 .
Command keys have been dropped since only 1 person wanted it, and their ok with just blanks.
Please, can we keep it? :) I didn't get sixty's set, so I had to grab an MY switch POS keyboard off Ebay, which had a short right shift key.
Just got another test invoice, much happier with price. Thanks.
Agreed...you'd be crazy not to get the beige/white set at this price!
Yes. I think this should be the "core kit".
Yeah we should keep it. I don't want some of us to be left out.
@Minskleip
Did you mean like stepped capslock but centered ? Honestly i too like that design but, i think for the group sake, we should just stick to the unstepped centered.
If you want stepped but centered, you can try get Ripster to help you mod the stem of the original cherry key which was what i did. I'll post a pic once i get mine.
The Horses?
I think under the Canadian Police.
Uh, I don't plan on doing this again but will post instructions when I get a chance. It's not as simple as it first appears. Geometry.
A whole array of Caps Locks.Show Image(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5057/5437005334_2b1db756cf_z.jpg)
Hey Moogle,
I'm interested in this kit, for a Ducky 1087. Have you filled up the 25 spots yet?
EDIT: I wasn't quite sure if I was supposed to PM someone, or just post it here. I'll just leave it here, that way some good samaritan can come by and tell me I'm an idiot if I'm supposed to PM it somewhere
Put me down for MOOGLEBLACK.
Moogle kit (Cherry vintage key supplement kit)
Moogle White/Beige .......... $18 / 15 (MOOGLEWHITE)
Moogle Black ................ $24 / 10 (MOOGLEBLACK)
2 x alt
2 x control
2 x windows logo keys
1 x spacebar
1 x menu key
1 x Caps Lock (centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky/Filco etc) UNSTEPPED
2 x blank 1.25'' keys (windows logo key alternative)
1 x Right shift (compatibility for some sets that came from 1800 series keyboards)
Hi XL,
I'll update you into the list on the first post, but i also suggest you PM 7bit_vote as he has the more updated list.
I only update whoever asks here, whereas 7bit has the full updated list which you can find here
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13664
@manfaux
Yeah but these are prices based on how many people are signed up for it. The beige/white is pretty good pricing, and the black is getting closer to the 24USD mark.
$24/10
$18/15
$15/20
$13/25
I think this is the current price based on how many orders we managed to get so far.
Ya I understand, come on people get more MOOGLEBLACKS!
With my vote it should be up to 7. If this goes through I'm going to be out $70 for a full set of doubleshouts >< Are they even worth it? Hahah...oh well. I'm buying them, I hope they go through!
BTW, I don't even have a keyboard to use them on yet. I figure I'm going to get the Ducky 1087 (how do you like yours manfaux???) over the Choc Mini (my original choice).
BTW, is the Ducky 1087 plate mounted??
I like the 1087, the build quality isn't on par with my bigger Filco whatsoever but as far as typing feel is concerned there isn't a difference that I could notice. It also has some other interesting features like mixed switches and numlock which the Filco's don't have, plus it's a tad cheaper which is always good.
Yes it's plated mounted.
Well, I'd rather pay for doubleshots (improve something noticeable when you use the keyboard) than spend that extra $50 on a filco. Meh. I could wait for the Leopold, and throw the double shots on there...but I feel like I want the board NOW. Hahah :p
And I'm seriously starting to doubt if the Leopolds will ever even make it here!
...do you know if the Leopolds have the same keycaps as the Filco/Duckys?? If so, maybe I could sell my Ducky on here and keep the doubleshots.
I didn't opt for Leopold because i didn't want a mismatch colored spacebar, also the Ducky G2 has usb nkro and can disable windows key via FN+F9. Also the G2 Tiger edition is well built (not saying that the Leopold isn't, but the Tiger is better than the average Ducky thats for sure).
Is the bottom one a Cherry one? Looks like Cherry Corp! Where did you get it?
Nope - some obscure Kishy keyboard he harvested keys for me from. Details in this "How to Mod Your Stepped Caps Lock (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:15245)" post.
Moog - this went out in the mail yesterday.Show Image(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5139/5439332956_47cec94dd1_z.jpg)
Details are in the link above.
I thought it was Guten Nacht?
I tended to sleep with German women.
You?
Sorry for posting off-topic:
If there are 2 more of the MOOGLEWHITE kit ordered, it will be $15 per kit!
Yeah just ignore keyboardlover. he tends to troll, ***** and moan cauz he is bored with life :/
okay so if i order a blackset.. does the spacebar fit the PLU? i think the PLU87 spacebars the same as the Filcos, where the cherry switch is directly in the middle of the spacebar
Plu spacebar is identical to the filco/ducky.
WTF was that for???
If you're referring to my comments in this thread, the complaints were valid and backed up by MANY others. You are the one trolling!
If you want to talk about trolls, what kind of Troll forms a complete Ducky vs. Filco opinion (and then gives that opinion to everyone on GH) when they don't even own either keyboard???
Ripster.
maybe im retarded but i'm pretty confused at what the prices are... so i want a black key kit.. which should include
2 x alt
2 x control
2 x windows logo keys
1 x spacebar
1 x menu key
1 x Caps Lock (centered stemmed to be compatible with Ducky/Filco etc) UNSTEPPED
2 x blank 1.25'' keys (windows logo key alternative)
1 x Right shift (compatibility for some sets that came from 1800 series keyboards)
$24/10
$18/15
$15/20
$13/25
what i'm confused about are those prices? can someone explain those to me?
also any update as to when this MO is going to take place? or is it just whenever we have a full 25 orders?
Last, but not least: There will be no price difference between ABS and PBT for blank keys, so just tell me which you want.
So if you want pbt spacebar instead, please message 7bit requesting it :}
7bit: Bye bye PBT-space bar:
SP: Unfortunately we do not have exact matches in both ABS and PBT colors.
... and to kill all hopes even for the color-blind people:
SP: We also do not run spacebars in PBT material. Our spacebar tooling is made for ABS material.
And when you want to know why:
SP: When PBT is molded, it shrinks a bit more than ABS does.
The size of the PBT spacebar won't be exactly the same as an ABS spacebar, specifically the mounts will not be in the same location.
:-)
7bit: So it will be all ABS.
Wanabe, honestly i am not too sure on that.
The right shift is provided, then again i am using the one that came with my 101 dye sub set (the right shift already is compatible).
You'll have to get clarification for that right shift from 7bit.
If you want Cherry-style arrows, you can have them....
We will order by the end of this week or at the beginning of next week, depending how quick I get an answer from the manufacturer about some questions which where still open.
So, about them Cherry arrows.
Moogle, will the kit match the arrows, font and alignment of the Cherry double shots sold by Sixty?
7Bit said we can have Cherry arrows "if we want them", but I thought that was the whole point of this kit? o_o
Round 3 started on 15 Dec 2010, and we expect the 40ft container to arrive around 15 May 2011.
Moogle, we need pics of it on your keyboard!!
You be civil and apologize n i will. You don't bite the hand your expecting to be fed from, especially when your expecting favors.
Until then, i'm only sharing with others :p privately.
so mature