Phantom Custom Keyboard Group Buy (CLOSED)

[7bit]

Is the PHISOREDKIT is the same as

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TEENSY 1
PHANTOM 1
PHISO 1
MXRED 87

How wrong am I. What if I would like to have PHISOWIN could I get it as a kit (PHISOWINREDKIT)? also that doesn't include any diodes?

So my order might be something like this:

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PHISOWINREDKIT 1
PHISOWINCLEARKIT 1
MXBROWN 100
STAB200 6
stab625 2
DIODE 200
CASE 2

Oh the price already hurts my wallet :Cry:

It comes with all you need including the diodes.
There will be some extra switches in the kit as well.

[7bit]

You don't ship to rest of the world?
I just placed an order last week. Or should I wait and see?

Sure we ship to all places of the world.

[NumberJ]

Changed my order to the 7bit layout.

[7bit]

changed my order to the 7bit layout.

:-)

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phansi...........17
ph7bit...........12
phansiwin.........7
phisowin..........5
phiso.............1


[7bit]

Changed my order to the 7bit layout.

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PHANSI...........17
PH7BIT...........12
PHANSIWIN.........7
PHISOWIN..........5
PHISO.............1


[litster]

Our orders is piling up!  I am not surprised with most buyers choosing PHANSI.  But it is good to see that 7bit's special has attracted so many more buyers than The other layouts.  I thought ISO layouts would account for more.

[Clickey]

The 7bit layout allows you to choose your layout and change it at any time, which is why I am guessing most people want it.

I meant LEDS for making a backlit board, not just for locklights, but I am guessing based on your response, backlighting would not be possible?

Will there be a kit for 7bit plate? The kits seem to give significant savings.

Thanks.

[litster]

7bit's layout is very flexible.  You can change it at any time, except you can't go back to long space bar because there is no cut out for stabilizers.

The PCB is not designed for backlit.  So no for backlit keyboard .

Kit or no kit, the price will be the same.  Prices listed now are temporary.  The kits are just made for easy ordering if you want everything bundled.

[TheProfosist]

I came up with a layout for the 7bit that I think would work well http://tinyurl.com/dxonvdo . I still have some open keys so suggestions are welcome in that thread.

Is there a kit for 7bit layout with clear switches? Also I couldnt find anything in this thread as to what exactly is in a kit so I know what I have to buy separately.

[Clickey]

7bit's layout is very flexible.  You can change it at any time, except you can't go back to long space bar because there is no cut out for stabilizers.

The PCB is not designed for backlit.  So no for backlit keyboard .

Kit or no kit, the price will be the same.  Prices listed now are temporary.  The kits are just made for easy ordering if you want everything bundled.

Couldn't you just put the stabilizers in one of the slots for the extra keys?

[litster]

Couldn't you just put the stabilizers in one of the slots for the extra keys?

You can put a couple switches there to hold the spacebar, if the holes match the spacebar stem posts.  I could be wrong, but as far as I can tell you can't put a stabilizer there.  There is nothing to hold the stabilizer metal bar.

[litster]

I came up with a layout for the 7bit that I think would work well http://tinyurl.com/dxonvdo . I still have some open keys so suggestions are welcome in that thread.

Is there a kit for 7bit layout with clear switches? Also I couldnt find anything in this thread as to what exactly is in a kit so I know what I have to buy separately.

Sorry, I actually don't know what is in a kit, LOL!  I guess we should know what's in it before 7bit put that on the list.  :-)

I would imagine a kit should include the following:
- 1 PCB
- 1 mounting plate
- 1 Teensy
- 87 switches please a few backup
- 100 diodes
- 2 LEDs
- enough stabilizers to match the mounting plate layout

We are sure that we can get PCB, mounting plate, Teensy, and diodes.  

Open issues:
- We are waiting for quote for cherry switches.  It is unclear if we make minimum order requirement (1,600 switches per-order).  If not, we would have to remove switches from the list.  Used Cherry switches can be sourced from used Cherry keyboards
- We still don't have source for stabilizers.  If we can find new ones, we will have to instruct buyers to source them from old Cherry keyboards
- LEDs are cheap enough to buy.  We should be able to include them.  But it is getting more painful if everyone wants different colors :-).  Maybe we will just include 2 LEDs for each color for each kit (red, blue, green, orange)

Again, there is no discount from ordering a kit.  So ordering them separately would be a fine thing to do.  If you are not sure what you need, post here and I will help.

[NumberJ]

Gah... i was planning on using the 7bit layout to have the extra keys on the right side and still keep the longer spacebar. If it's not compatible with a long spacebar at all, I'll probably have to go back to ANSI.

[Autolyze]

Maybe I missed it, but do we have details on the case that's being offered in the group buy? I haven't pulled the trigger on this yet, but I'd love a case that's compatible with the full 7bit layout that has the combined arrow and home clusters.

[litster]

Maybe I missed it, but do we have details on the case that's being offered in the group buy? I haven't pulled the trigger on this yet, but I'd love a case that's compatible with the full 7bit layout that has the combined arrow and home clusters.

You totally missed it.  :-)  It is just 2 posts up from your last post: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23572-Phantom-Custom-Keyboard-Group-Buy-(Order-Only)&p=450691&viewfull=1#post450691

We are not very organized here.  So no worries.  We don't have a case lined up.  It is also unlikely that we will.

[tsangan]

You totally missed it.  :-)  It is just 2 posts up from your last post: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23572-Phantom-Custom-Keyboard-Group-Buy-(Order-Only)&p=450691&viewfull=1#post450691

We are not very organized here.  So no worries.  We don't have a case lined up.  It is also unlikely that we will.

If we can get a 3D render of the filco case in autoCAD we got a company that can do it in Washington.

I know a company in Washington that does plastic(http://www.tapplastics.com/)  They said if we had a 3d rendering of it in like autocad we could maybe do it for the phantom.

[litster]

Yes, but the problem is we don't have a 3D render of a keyboard case design.  Do we have a CAD engineer in the house on Geekhack?

[dorkvader]

Do I need any stabilisers for 7bit's layout?

(Thanks 7bit: Lovin' the layout)

[dorkvader]

Yes, but the problem is we don't have a 3D render of a keyboard case design.  Do we have a CAD engineer in the house on Geekhack?

I sort-of do a little here at the university(I'll have to reinstall the program, though) I'm at. I have a couple friends who do CAD for run, who I can ask... Can you post/PM to me the PCB hole dimensions and spacing/location of them?

[litster]

Do I need any stabilisers for 7bit's layout?

(Thanks 7bit: Lovin' the layout)

No, you don't need stabilizers if you use 7bit's layout.  Actually you can't have stabilizers :-)

I sort-of do a little here at the university(I'll have to reinstall the program, though) I'm at. I have a couple friends who do CAD for run, who I can ask... Can you post/PM to me the PCB hole dimensions and spacing/location of them?

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I think this is from soulfree, I am not sure.  The outside is actually not as important as the inside.  It would be best if you have a Filco tenkeyless keyboard and can open it up to take measurements.  The Phantom PCB/mounting plate is the same size as the Filco.

[NumberJ]

D: I didn't realize that normal sized spacebars weren't compatible at all with the 7bit plate, so I had to change my order back again. Sorry.

[7bit]

You totally missed it.  :-)  It is just 2 posts up from your last post: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23572-Phantom-Custom-Keyboard-Group-Buy-(Order-Only)&p=450691&viewfull=1#post450691

We are not very organized here.  So no worries.  We don't have a case lined up.  It is also unlikely that we will.

No case, but what about a backplate, a cover plate (for ANSI and ISO, not very usefull for 7BIT layout;-) and some screws to put them together?

Both plates can be made the same way as the mount plate. Just with holes for mounting them together and to put some feet underneath.

[Autolyze]

No case, but what about a backplate, a cover plate (for ANSI and ISO, not very usefull for 7BIT layout;-) and some screws to put them together?

Both plates can be made the same way as the mount plate. Just with holes for mounting them together and to put some feet underneath.

Hmm... so does anyone have any particular plans in terms of cases for the fancy 7bit boards?

[TheProfosist]

Hmm... so does anyone have any particular plans in terms of cases for the fancy 7bit boards?

I am interested in that as well as weather I order or not depends on if I can get a case for it. Even if it was something like the DOX's case I wouldnt be opposed.

[dorkvader]

Hmm... so does anyone have any particular plans in terms of cases for the fancy 7bit boards?

I'm looking into making a layer of acrylic for the case. I will, of course, embed some white LED's (with a switch) and have the capslock, etc LED's shine into the acrylic in red.

If I can do all that, It'd look sweet.
Litster, the CMstorm I have is the same except for one of the mounting posts, so I can measure out of there, but I'll see what I can do about what you sent me. We may have to do a seperate case GB. What sort of timeframe do we have here?

[litster]

Hopefully we will have the first mounting plate done and close the PCB design next week.  After that we will want to do a prototype PCB and build a working keyboard to confirm everything fits together.  With at least 2 to 3 weeks of lead time for PCB manufacturing + another week of shipping, I think we are at least 5 weeks away from collecting payments.

[7bit]

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PHANTOM..........43
TEENSY...........32
PH7BIT...........11
PHANSI...........18
PHANSIWIN.........8
PHISO.............1
PHISOWIN..........5
DIODE..........2386
MXBLACK.........566
MXBLUE..........183
MXBROWN.........753
MXCLEAR.........874
MXGREEN..........20
MXGREY...........14
MXRED...........710
STAB200..........45
STAB400...........5
STAB625...........3
STAB700..........10
PHANTOMFUN........7
SOLDERING.........4


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TEENSY          |   18|Teensy controller
PHANTOM         |   28|Phantom PCB
PHANSI          |   35|mount plate ANSI
PHANSIWIN       |   35|mount plate ANSI with WIN keys
PHISO       |   35|mount plate ISO
PHISOWIN       |   35|mount plate ISO  with WIN keys
PH7BIT          |   35|mount plate 7BIT
MXRED           |  0.6|MX red   plate mount switch
MXBLUE          |  0.6|MX blue  plate mount switch
MXBROWN         |  0.6|MX brown plate mount switch
MXCLEAR         |  0.6|MX clear plate mount switch
MXBLACK         |  0.6|MX clear plate mount switch
MXGREY          |    2|MX grey  plate mount switch
MXGREEN         |    2|MX green plate mount switch
DIODE | 0.02|n-key rollover diode
LED             |    1|phantom LED
LEDRED          |    1|red     LED (no resistor req.)
LEDGREEN        |    1|green   LED (no resistor req.)
LEDYELLOW       |    1|yellow  LED (no resistor req.)
LEDBLUE         |    1|blue    LED (including resistor)
LEDORANGE       |    1|orange  LED (including resistor)
LEDWHITE        |    1|white   LED (including resistor)
STAB200         |    2|MX plate mount stabiliser
STAB400         |    2|MX plate mount stabiliser
STAB625         |    2|MX plate mount stabiliser
STAB700         |    2|MX plate mount stabiliser
STAB1000        |    2|MX plate mount stabiliser
CASE            |   60|? case for tenkeyless (might not be available)
BACKPLATE       |   35|backplate
BACKSCREWS      |    5|screws for backplate
COVERPLATE      |   35|coverplate for ANSI/ISO layout
COVERSCREWS     |    5|screws for coverplate
PHANTOMFUN      |    2|Phantom function key
PHANTOMMOD100   |    2|Phantom 1    unit  modifier key
PHANTOMMOD125   |    2|Phantom 1.25 units modifier key
PHANTOMMOD150   |    3|Phantom 1.5  units modifier key
PHANSIREDKIT    |  150|Teensy/PCB/ANSI plate/MX red   with stabs
PHANSICLEARKIT  |  150|Teensy/PCB/ANSI plate/MX clear with stabs
PHANSIBLACKKIT  |  150|Teensy/PCB/ANSI plate/MX black with stabs
PHANSIBLUEKIT   |  150|Teensy/PCB/ANSI plate/MX blue  with stabs
PHANSIBROWNKIT  |  150|Teensy/PCB/ANSI plate/MX brown with stabs
PHISOREDKIT     |  150|Teensy/PCB/ISO  plate/MX red   with stabs
PHISOCLEARKIT   |  150|Teensy/PCB/ISO  plate/MX clear with stabs
PHISOBLACKKIT   |  150|Teensy/PCB/ISO  plate/MX black with stabs
PHISOBLUEKIT    |  150|Teensy/PCB/ISO  plate/MX blue  with stabs
PHISOBROWNKIT   |  150|Teensy/PCB/ISO  plate/MX brown with stabs
SOLDERING       |  200|soldering


[demik]

Do we have a supplier for stabilizers yet? I'd like to order whatever I'm missing.

[7bit]

Do we have a supplier for stabilizers right? I'd like to order whatever I'm missing.

I'm not sure about the stabilisers.

[kps]

If everyone who ordered clear changes over to brown, we'll have enough for an order :biggrin:

[dorkvader]

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MXBLACK.........566
MXBLUE..........183
MXBROWN.........753
MXCLEAR.........874
MXGREEN..........20
MXGREY...........14
MXRED...........710


Looks like we have a 'clear' winner to me.

[Tarkoon]

So what about the special ISO plate like I would like to have it? Could it be done?
ISO layout with 1.25x wide modifiers with HHKB Style split right shift/FN and the 5 keys above the arrow keys.
Would be like 7bits layout but with normal funktion row/space bar and in ISO.
However you would like to describe it - I hope you know what I mean! ^^
Else I would have to draw it...

[7bit]

So what about the special ISO plate like I would like to have it? Could it be done?
ISO layout with 1.25x wide modifiers with HHKB Style split right shift/FN and the 5 keys above the arrow keys.
Would be like 7bits layout but with normal funktion row/space bar and in ISO.
However you would like to describe it - I hope you know what I mean! ^^
Else I would have to draw it...

I think the splitable right Shift should be possible, but I don't exacly know if the holes will really be there.

All layouts will have the cutouts for the keys above the cursor T.

If everyone who ordered brown changes over to clear, we'll have enough for an order :biggrin:

Fixed that for you.

[kps]

Fixed that for you.

I'll change my order to clears as soon as we get

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MXREDORBLUEORBROWNSPRING         |  0.02 |MX light spring

:peace: Victory!

[7bit]

mv -f ripster /dev/ignore

[Autolyze]

Would it make sense to have a backplate and no cover plate due to going with the 7bit layout, or would that be a bit too ghetto in practice?

[RColinTaylor]

Would it make sense to have a backplate and no cover plate due to going with the 7bit layout, or would that be a bit too ghetto in practice?

I don't see why the 7bit layout wouldn't fit in a normal Filco case.

[Autolyze]

I don't see why the 7bit layout wouldn't fit in a normal Filco case.

The split up spacebar would be fine, but the merged arrow and home clusters would necessitate doing something to the top part of the case.

[litster]

The split up spacebar would be fine, but the merged arrow and home clusters would necessitate doing something to the top part of the case.

That is correct.  You would have to remove that chunk of plastic for the keys witches to show through.  I wouldn't do that to my Filco cases.  If I go with a 7bit special layout, I would just not have a case top, or find a way to make one that fits.

[kaiserreich]

I think these stabilizers might fit. Will enquire the seller for more info

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14075932508&_u=fkfhos6b0fd
10 pairs for 10RMB each.

Pictures of said stabilizers

[alaricljs]

Looking at the bagged parts, these are Costar designs.  Whether a copy or not is a good question.  I don't recall seeing black key-stems from Costar, but it's always possible.

[kaiserreich]

I contacted the seller. No luck.
He cannot provide the volume that we need, which is at least 300 stabilizers. He did say that he got these from the factory that make those keycool keyboards.

[alaricljs]

Did he understand what you were asking for?  Because he has listed 198  10piece sets.  That's 1980 stabilizers.  Did he think you meant 300 sets of 10?  So either he muffed his listing, or didn't realize you meant 300 total, not 300 sets.

[kaiserreich]

Taobao stock numbers are known to be inaccurate, and are there as a placeholder.
I understand Chinese nicely, no issues with the google translator.

I told him I am thinking of ordering stabilizers for 30 - 40 keyboards, so it is about 300 - 400 stabilizers, no deal, says him.

[alaricljs]

Isn't technology awesome?  

[7bit]

Taobao stock numbers are known to be inaccurate, and are there as a placeholder.
I understand Chinese nicely, no issues with the google translator.

I told him I am thinking of ordering stabilizers for 30 - 40 keyboards, so it is about 300 - 400 stabilizers, no deal, says him.

Currently, we need only stabilisers for at most 30 keyboards!

7BIT-layout versions (12 of 42) do not require any stabilisers!

[bpiphany]

All talk and no business!! But now at least it is official I have no life... I added the extra switch locations to the function row that 7bit requested. Had to ditch the helper-holes for F5-F8 (who is going to hot swap their F-key stems anyway?). Did some icky rerouting and got all switches attached to the electrical wiring. So no jumper wires will be necessary (the logical matrix locations of the extra two keys are a bit off though).

I think stem change should be possible even without the holes (if it works at all..) It should be possible to get them open like this The holes in the PCB are only there to make it a bit easier. Myself I wouldn't mind dropping all the quick-stem features to have a cleaner board and plate, but that isn't up to me... =P

Teaser! White round things are holes, slots doesn't render correctly as usual...

[7bit]

... I added the extra switch locations to the function row that 7bit requested. Had to ditch the helper-holes for F5-F8 (who is going to hot swap their F-key stems anyway?). Did some icky rerouting and got all switches attached to the electrical wiring. So no jumper wires will be necessary (the logical matrix locations of the extra two keys are a bit off though).

I love you!

[litster]

Taobao stock numbers are known to be inaccurate, and are there as a placeholder.
I understand Chinese nicely, no issues with the google translator.

I told him I am thinking of ordering stabilizers for 30 - 40 keyboards, so it is about 300 - 400 stabilizers, no deal, says him.

I don't think we need that 300-400 stabilizers.  Each ANSI and ISO layout keyboard need 4 2x stabilizers, and 1 spacebar stabilizer that is either 7x or 6.25x.  7bit layout doesn't need any stabilisers at all.  I don't see any pictures of the metal wires.  In any case, they are very cheap.  

Kaiserreich, could you buy them all for us?  I can paypal you the money + shipping.  How many does he have?  Can you check to see if he has the metal wires and if he has both 2x wide and 7x or 6.25x wide wires?  Thanks.

[Findecanor]

Teaser! White round things are holes, slots doesn't render correctly as usual...

Shouldn't the drill hole for the ISO Left Shift be slightly to the right? It should align precisely with the Left Ctrl and Caps Lock, I think.