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« Reply #300 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 11:46:35 »
It's in a diff. location
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« Reply #301 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 11:48:44 »
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It's in a diff. location
Oh wait nevermind don't need to measure, look at the bottom of a switch, just use the holes one over to the right if the led hole is facing you. You should see a total of 4 possible LED leads on every single switch, and on the toggle one it is just using the far right ones.
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« Reply #302 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 12:03:36 »
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Oh wait nevermind don't need to measure, look at the bottom of a switch, just use the holes one over to the right if the led hole is facing you. You should see a total of 4 possible LED leads on every single switch, and on the toggle one it is just using the far right ones.
The led is slightly off center so that will have to be noted when changing the pcb right

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« Reply #303 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 12:06:21 »
those are not meant for LED, they are for layouts where the diodes goes in the switches

are you 100% its the same as the far right one? I can go ahead and add the extra lead to the right, All you need to do is pivot the LED 180degrees to use the toggle switch

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« Reply #304 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 12:17:18 »
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those are not meant for LED, they are for layouts where the diodes goes in the switches

are you 100% its the same as the far right one? I can go ahead and add the extra lead to the right, All you need to do is pivot the LED 180degrees to use the toggle switch
Surprisingly they /are/ meant for the LED in this case, I have placed an LED into the housing and yes it does fit into those 2 far right pins.
Also if we did a diode inside the housing that would make things so much easier.. but that is okay, the people wanted LED instead after all.
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« Reply #305 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 12:20:44 »
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Surprisingly they /are/ meant for the LED in this case, I have placed an LED into the housing and yes it does fit into those 2 far right pins.
Also if we did a diode inside the housing that would make things so much easier.. but that is okay, the people wanted LED instead after all.
Thats right we wanted to pimp out our keyboards a bit.

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« Reply #306 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 12:33:11 »
okay, i'll add that later this weekend, meanwhile think about which keys you guys would like to have option

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« Reply #307 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 12:35:55 »
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okay, i'll add that later this weekend, meanwhile think about which keys you guys would like to have option
My layout is finalized and is cleared with the others that will possibly be using it. http://tinyurl.com/7zy8wzc

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« Reply #308 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 12:42:19 »
ahhh back to the 2 1x1 instead of backspace >.<

aite i'll need to redo the PCB layout too then

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« Reply #309 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 12:42:55 »
<-- I like the backspace

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« Reply #310 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 12:45:52 »
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ahhh back to the 2 1x1 instead of backspace >.<

aite i'll need to redo the PCB layout too then
Sorry about that, the layout worked and I am trying to keep my DOX and Phantom layouts as close as possible. And well once I found out that WASD could do the keys, things changed.

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<-- I like the backspace
You prefer normal backspace... Sorry, I regularly use a HHKB.

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« Reply #311 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 12:49:38 »
And I will be finalizing mine very soon, I am just working on layout updates now.
I also prefer the HHKB backspace because it truly makes more sense to me to having it closer to enter (reduce finger strain for those of us who make typos.)
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« Reply #312 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:01:23 »
maybe I should try this too, i dont really have money for a HHKB

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« Reply #313 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:03:18 »
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maybe I should try this too, i dont really have money for a HHKB
Great Idea! I then recommended to you my layout. By the way, Caps Lock was in the right place on the Model F they have screwed it up since the Model M.

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« Reply #314 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:07:19 »
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maybe I should try this too, i dont really have money for a HHKB
Actually you probably do have money for a Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite which is what I normally take with me to school (This is a rubber dome keyboard, but it doesn't /feel/ like rubber dome)
And I would say that is the best way to get comfortable with the layout of the HHKB, although it has dedicated arrow keys which the Topre doesn't have. and an extra Fn key on the left side, which the Topre doesn't.
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« Reply #315 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:10:13 »
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Actually you probably do have money for a Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite which is what I normally take with me to school (This is a rubber dome keyboard, but it doesn't /feel/ like rubber dome)
And I would say that is the best way to get comfortable with the layout of the HHKB, although it has dedicated arrow keys which the Topre doesn't have. and an extra Fn key on the left side, which the Topre doesn't.
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there is a Fn key on the left when you use dip switch you kill left win, just about everyone does it. And I want full size arrows or nothing, I have those half size keys.

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« Reply #316 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:12:19 »
this is what I bring to school:


Its my dox! :D

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« Reply #317 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:13:26 »
lol im in middle of a lecture, snuck a quick snapshot with my phone, sorry for the blurry

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« Reply #318 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:13:39 »
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this is what I bring to school:
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Its my dox! :D
Nice if only my future DOX had a case :(

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« Reply #319 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:14:31 »
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lol im in middle of a lecture, snuck a quick snapshot with my phone, sorry for the blurry

lol its cool like the HHKB roof ;)

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« Reply #320 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:17:10 »
yup I love the roof, it wa sworth the $40.
Its in the bag cuz mech keyboards that arent mx red or black are too noisy to use during class.. though I have done it on a few occasions

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« Reply #321 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:17:53 »
Oh, and there will be ~10 people with a spare poker case whenever those aluminum cases gets shipped out, so try to get a hold of one from someone if you just want a quick case to start using the dox

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« Reply #322 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:18:50 »
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Oh, and there will be ~10 people with a spare poker case whenever those aluminum cases gets shipped out, so try to get a hold of one from someone if you just want a quick case to start using the dox
That sir is a GREAT idea!

Think we can get a plate to fit in the poker case?

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« Reply #323 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:25:20 »
someone should look into who those korean at kbdmania.net does their cases... they look awesome
something like this

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« Reply #324 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:28:02 »
I personally just want those custom printed keycaps since we will all have different layouts it would be great to have front facing Fn layer lasered (or engraving, my personal choice) Most likely not double shot since that would require about eleventy billion molds.

But I would be happy to use blanks until we can get custom printing done to the keycaps. Because darn it I want PBT keycaps.
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« Reply #325 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:29:01 »
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someone should look into who those korean at kbdmania.net does their cases... they look awesome
something like this
That actually seems preety simple compare to other cases I have seen

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« Reply #326 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:29:14 »
im happy with a standard set of caps and just memorize my layer... which I have already done

I love my vintage dolch caps

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« Reply #327 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:32:08 »
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That actually seems preety simple compare to other cases I have seen
yea looks like 4 layers of a CNC/laser cut acrylic

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« Reply #328 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:38:27 »
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I personally just want those custom printed keycaps since we will all have different layouts it would be great to have front facing Fn layer lasered (or engraving, my personal choice) Most likely not double shot since that would require about eleventy billion molds.

But I would be happy to use blanks until we can get custom printing done to the keycaps. Because darn it I want PBT keycaps.
I just going to get mine in white from WASD have him etch my layout on. sadly he can only do the top curretly so the FN layer will be going in the lower right of the keycap.

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« Reply #329 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:41:59 »
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I just going to get mine in white from WASD have him etch my layout on. sadly he can only do the top curretly so the FN layer will be going in the lower right of the keycap.
He does plan to be able to do front faces in the future, so I was hoping to buy all blank keycaps and then have them laser/etched/something later on by WASD if he can do that.
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« Reply #330 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:43:35 »
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He does plan to be able to do front faces in the future, so I was hoping to buy all blank keycaps and then have them laser/etched/something later on by WASD if he can do that.
I know he plans to (probably in my thread). Though, I dont know when that is going to happen though many project he originally had planned kind of stalled.

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« Reply #331 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:44:03 »
this is another interesting case I was looking at:
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=29&document_srl=2982729

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« Reply #332 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:45:07 »
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this is another interesting case I was looking at:
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=29&document_srl=2982729
lloks to be made the same just different material.

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« Reply #333 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:53:47 »
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He does plan to be able to do front faces in the future, so I was hoping to buy all blank keycaps and then have them laser/etched/something later on by WASD if he can do that.

ever considered slide-transfer sheets:
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=42&document_srl=2893523

problem is i have no idea where we would acquire them

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« Reply #334 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:55:56 »
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ever considered slide-transfer sheets:
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=42&document_srl=2893523

problem is i have no idea where we would acquire them
That would actually be pretty nice, I would have to wonder how long it will last though, or if it really is permanent
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« Reply #335 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 13:56:40 »
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ever considered slide-transfer sheets:
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=42&document_srl=2893523

problem is i have no idea where we would acquire them
I dont really mind the fact that their on top it works if layed out right. Would definitly jave to do a fully custom layout (would probably have to do that anyway since the layout is non standard [once i contact WASD and he agrees to do the project]).

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« Reply #336 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 14:00:58 »
Out of curiosity I think you said that you weren't using official stabilizer bars, has that been changed? Since I would love to know if they actually fit so we don't have to create our own.
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keyboard-parts-1.html
It would be nice if we can have the actual size since that would be a very cheap price for them.
Or does cherry use some other type of stabilizer bar.
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« Reply #337 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 14:02:46 »
I am using the spacing of official bars, its just the stabilizers I harvest have bars that are too rusted or gross for me to want to use. I create my own to replicate the originals, so there shouldnt be any difference

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« Reply #338 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 15:41:38 »
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ever considered slide-transfer sheets:
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=42&document_srl=2893523

problem is i have no idea where we would acquire them

Maybe here.
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« Reply #339 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 16:05:47 »
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ever considered slide-transfer sheets:
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=42&document_srl=2893523

problem is i have no idea where we would acquire them

you could ask this fellow GeekHacker he seems to have somewhat of what you're looking for.

I want stickers to do this
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« Reply #340 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 16:12:02 »
We can get the caps for the default layer I think were mostly looking for ways of adding the fn layer to the side of the keys. though i think Ill just stick with wasd as I know it will turn out well (pertaining I do the legends properly).

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« Reply #341 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 18:38:09 »
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you could ask this fellow GeekHacker he seems to have somewhat of what you're looking for.

I want stickers to do this
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I have seen the neon glow stickers, they are not all that amazing. We are looking for the smaller style meant just for front key face text.
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« Reply #342 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 19:28:47 »
So after staring at the keyboard matrix in relation to the Teensy pins this is what I came up with. Does it make sense to anyone? I don't understand quite what each pin on the Teensy does I guess. Why does Esc have its own pin? And in what order do the columns make sense to what pin they are wired to.

Row 0 - B0
Row 1 - B1
Row 2 - B2
Row 3 - B3
Row 4 - B4
Esc - B5
Col 0 - D0
Col 1 - D1
Col 2 - D2
Col 3 - D3
Col 4 - C5
Col 5 - C7
Col 6 - D6
Col 7 - D7
Col 8 - F6
Col 9 - F7
Col 10 - F5
Col 11 - F4
Col 12 - F1
Col 13 - F0
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« Reply #343 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 22:56:55 »
Finalized my layout, now just need to fix the layout on the PCB plus move the teensy to the back so that the plate won't interfere.


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« Reply #344 on: Sat, 19 November 2011, 03:46:29 »
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Finalized my layout, now just need to fix the layout on the PCB plus move the teensy to the back so that the plate won't interfere.
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plate wont interfere now though u need a hole in it. I believe we originally had it in the back was kinda complicated.
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« Reply #345 on: Sat, 19 November 2011, 04:47:14 »
I have tracked down my total of 2 poker cases. Now I need to know can we fit a plate in the poker case? If so we need to design one if not I will have to go wit PCB mounted switches (ick).

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« Reply #346 on: Sat, 19 November 2011, 06:12:11 »
im pretty sure there is a way to design one to fit the case

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« Reply #347 on: Sat, 19 November 2011, 06:13:10 »
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im pretty sure there is a way to design one to fit the case
Awesome, so anyone know someone who can do it?

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« Reply #348 on: Sat, 19 November 2011, 14:44:19 »
So should I post something in the general forum looking for someone who can do it? Im getting help from haxeluff designing the file for my layout for WASD first try should be done soon ish.

So where the best place to get switches I want to make ergo clears new springs and stems. O yea and I need one of those locking switches. I plan to swap the spring in it to match also.
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« Reply #349 on: Sat, 19 November 2011, 15:49:44 »
So the template is finished.