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Title: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 20 August 2016, 14:50:19
Available Now
https://www.keyclack.com/product/bkeDomeReplacements (https://www.keyclack.com/product/bkeDomeReplacements)
for retail. no gb

(https://i.imgur.com/RX4ofTP.jpg)

BKE Dome Tutorial
Please read thoroughly.

https://imgur.com/a/Wmg0B

(https://i.imgur.com/KjkCGWN.jpg)


What People are saying!

!!! Ohhhh bboooyy!! Got my heavy domes installed in HHKB... bajeesus. Whoever compared these to breakin off pieces of a Hershey bar was absolutely spot on. The crisp. The Thock.
Bless.

I've been typing on the heavies for a few days now. My biggest complaint is that they totally ruined stock topre switches for me. I left one 55g dome in on my f12 key - it pretty much feels linear in comparison to the new domes.

Mine arrived yesterday, didn't have the chance to actually swap them into a board but I did have a loose 45g dome to compare them with, and these things really do live up to the bubblewrap/hershey bar comparisons.  Now my only problem is that I want to get a ton of them to swap all my boards, though I will have to test out whether I like the heavy or light more.

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Just got my BKE Redux Dome Replacements from Keyclack, the feeling is just heavenly <3
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fzjh9/photos_bke_redux_norbatouch_with_mito_canvas/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fzjh9/photos_bke_redux_norbatouch_with_mito_canvas/)

Got my heavies this morning. I haven't installed them yet because I'm still waiting on a few things for my novatouch rebuild, but just sitting here comparing the tactility to the 45g topre domes is like night and day. I think what others have said is true: this will ruin standard topre domes for you, the BKE domes feel so much more comfortable and like 400% more tactile. They're spectacular. I wish I went with the 110 pack now :D

I'm so eager to get these installed... HURRY UP JTK TOXIC!

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I completely agree with the community's consensus, these are leaps and bounds more tactile than stock domes. The hershey's bar analogy is really apt. I have another fc660c with stock domes, and it feels totally mushy in comparison. I'm going to have to do another domeswap for my RF now, too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7gbf1g/bke_redux_variable_dome_swap_on_silenced_fc660c/dqhvx2u/
 (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7gbf1g/bke_redux_variable_dome_swap_on_silenced_fc660c/dqhvx2u/)
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Before this, I thought stock topre and MX Clears were tactile, but the snappiness of these domes completely **** on every switch I've ever tried. The best way I can describe them is comparing them to the feeling of popping bubble wrap. Who doesn't like bubble wrap? That **** is amazing, and these domes are just as amazing
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g9l6h/redux_bke_domes_thoughts/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g9l6h/redux_bke_domes_thoughts/)

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I've been typing nonstop this past weekend and I have to say that I am quite impressed with these. THEY ARE SO DAMN SNAPPY AND TACTILE. They are everything that I wanted and more! This is my first review on this subreddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g2j4y/realforce_rgb_bke_redux_dome_swap/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g2j4y/realforce_rgb_bke_redux_dome_swap/)

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The tactile bump on these is satisfyingly strong. Very snappy so it needs to be silenced. Other than that I am a happy camper
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fqrag/just_installed_bke_redux_heavy_domes_with/dqdpy4g/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fqrag/just_installed_bke_redux_heavy_domes_with/dqdpy4g/)

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Friends. I must say this mod is amazing. Much tactile such bounce. I only installed them on the modifiers for now. OMG the space bar definitely needed this!
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fctjh/new_bke_dome_swap_coming_up/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fctjh/new_bke_dome_swap_coming_up/)

Sound Tests!

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fhs5c/as_requested_hhkb_with_bke_heavy_domes_sound/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fhs5c/as_requested_hhkb_with_bke_heavy_domes_sound/)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g9xkd/reviewtyping_video_bke_redux_heavy_vs_stock_45g/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g9xkd/reviewtyping_video_bke_redux_heavy_vs_stock_45g/)



Pricing
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Topre Domes Samples (5 light, 5 heavy)- $10
Topre Domes Light - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Light - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Light - 110 units - $66
Topre Domes Heavy - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Heavy - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Heavy - 110 units - $66


Interest Check

https://goo.gl/forms/rdGkfbEdO2CKuoqC2

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I recently acquired a Novatouch & Realforce 87U beige (thanks Apolotary) and after a lot of back n forth, I personally prefer the 45G, but I like the RF more feel more overall. I'd love to get something more heavy than 45g, but can't handle 55g.

So I'm going to try to undergo a project, and hopefully I'll see some support. I've already done some of the legwork so we'll see how to go forward.

The Goal

The goal is to produce a spring that, when placed between the housing and the keycap of a 45g topre board, will mimic the feel of a 55g board. (ghetto domeswap)

My Focus

My focus is on quality, and that's why I'm working to make the first batch in USA first, then making it in China.

Why do this?

cheap heavier switches.  aka the ghetto dome swap

heavier than 55g switches for those of you with fingers that flex

replace lost spacebar springs

Here's what I have.

1) Topre Spacebar uses approximately 40g to compress (nickel test)

2) Approximate weight of the spring should be 10g or so to get a ghetto 55g actuation force.

Here's a nice chart made by ek.com for reference.

(https://elitekeyboards.com/suppdata/images/topre_switches405.png)

3) I found some local spring factories in SoCal that I will be working with on top of my Mechanical Engineer friend to work on this design of the spring. After we finalize the design and produce the initial batch here in Los Angeles, we will be moving forwarding with a production with a spring factory in Hong Kong.

What's the next step?

Well I've done some research, but even with that, nothing has been pushed on my end :P

I will be going to the SoCal factory this week and measuring the NT & RF. I'll be measuring force curve & the compression of the springs with keycaps on and off.

A likely asked question

Why don't I just buy the ones off taobao from Topre clones?

AFAIK, those don't fit properly in Topre boards, but you can correct me if I'm wrong.

Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: sony on Sat, 20 August 2016, 14:59:00
I lost my space bar spring and springs I got off taobao only fit on the topre clones. It's finally going to happen. Ghetto 55g swaps incoming!

Oh and the taobao springs for the rc930 and the likes doesn't fit around the little lip of the topre housing so the spring crunches.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 20 August 2016, 15:28:04
Definitely a cool idea, if it works out at the end I'll maybe buy some to test them out.
Are you still working on the MX springs or was that plan dropped?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: xondat on Sat, 20 August 2016, 15:29:50
Cool idea.

I use two springs on my Realforce spacebar, so having different weights would be great to offer. Something like 10g, 20g, and 40g?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 20 August 2016, 15:35:32
Cool idea.

I use two springs on my Realforce spacebar, so having different weights would be great to offer. Something like 10g, 20g, and 40g?

Different weights are definitely the way to go. I'd personally want to try a 52g topre.

Definitely a cool idea, if it works out at the end I'll maybe buy some to test them out.
Are you still working on the MX springs or was that plan dropped?

MX is in the back burner right now and was going to get canceled with spirits GB but it looks like I might have to manufacture that.

For now,  focused more on topre since it's something I'd personally like to have more :)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: romevi on Sat, 20 August 2016, 19:42:05
That sounds awesome!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: yomammary on Mon, 22 August 2016, 09:42:05
So I guess the spring would also make a 55g board into 65g?  :eek:
Count me in.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 22 August 2016, 10:07:39
Cool idea.

I use two springs on my Realforce spacebar, so having different weights would be great to offer. Something like 10g, 20g, and 40g?

Different weights are definitely the way to go. I'd personally want to try a 52g topre.

Definitely a cool idea, if it works out at the end I'll maybe buy some to test them out.
Are you still working on the MX springs or was that plan dropped?

MX is in the back burner right now and was going to get canceled with spirits GB but it looks like I might have to manufacture that.

For now,  focused more on topre since it's something I'd personally like to have more :)


From my understanding of Topre switches, the tactile feedback and most of the weighting of the switch is provided by the domes, not the swpring, so swapping to a heavier weight spring to similate 55g may not provide the same feel as an actual Topre 55g dome, is this correct? I feel we need more testing  ;)

(I don't currently have any Topre boards, having sold my Novatouch, but I do have a so-called 'Nopre' clone from Royal Kludge with 55g actuation (supposedly, I haven't quantitatively tested this yet). Would be interested to find out if it would work with this board and how aftermarket springs affect the actuation distance (If I recall, the spring is actually the sensing element of the capacitive detection mechanism)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: xondat on Mon, 22 August 2016, 10:49:30
You're putting a 10g switch under the keycap/on the stem, not in the keyboard itself. Effectively it will add 10g.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 22 August 2016, 11:07:59
You're putting a 10g switch under the keycap/on the stem, not in the keyboard itself. Effectively it will add 10g.

I see, I think I misunderstood, I thought we are trying to replace the capacitive spring under the dome itself.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: xondat on Mon, 22 August 2016, 11:58:51
You're putting a 10g switch under the keycap/on the stem, not in the keyboard itself. Effectively it will add 10g.

I see, I think I misunderstood, I thought we are trying to replace the capacitive spring under the dome itself.
Those would be way too hard to recreate. But you're right, it's the domes that depict the weight.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: TheBestUkester on Tue, 23 August 2016, 16:11:10
In!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: deci on Tue, 23 August 2016, 16:53:26
Very interesting.

Definitely want to try this out.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 27 August 2016, 03:27:10
Very interested in springs identical to novatouch.

But obviously it all depends on the price ;-)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: zer09 on Sat, 22 October 2016, 22:05:30
How about a spring that will get more heavier if it is depress more, to give cushion when the dome collapse.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 22 October 2016, 22:07:40
I would be in for heavier springs like 20, 30 or 40g
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: ntw on Mon, 24 October 2016, 22:01:08
(http://i.imgur.com/uJf7KK7.jpg)

I have these springs from NT and they are not the same spec as the ones found on my Leopold Spacebars. I have to nudge them in properly to make sure they stay on around the slider housing instead of on it (compare the spring on Ins key that is not seated properly with the ones on Home, End and PgUp)

The springs are a ghetto fix to make the key feels heavier but it has this squishy feeling when bottomed out that sucks. I found that it is because the springs have more coils and when you bottom out you are rubbing the spring coils against each other and makes the squishy feeling.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: ticktwo on Fri, 04 November 2016, 06:12:31
awesome!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 16 November 2016, 01:59:06
Just wanted to update this!

We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.

Hype!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: yomammary on Wed, 16 November 2016, 07:17:00
Just wanted to update this!

We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.

Hype!
Quality will need to be top notch.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 16 November 2016, 08:01:01
Should totally do that!
This can potentially make my PLUM taste like a RealForce!

What's the price point by the way? Like some of those Korean rubber dome sheets on eBay?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: SJHL on Wed, 16 November 2016, 08:14:18
Just wanted to update this!

We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.

Hype!

Was debating with the springs but now im definitely in with the domes.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 16 November 2016, 16:14:47
Just wanted to update this!

We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.

Hype!
Quality will need to be top notch.

Will PM RAMA about it. Hope he can spare a minute to help me on this :).

Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 16 November 2016, 16:18:51
Just wanted to update this!

We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.

Hype!
Quality will need to be top notch.

Will PM RAMA about it. Hope he can spare a minute to help me on this :).

Do you have a list of weight options in mind for the domes?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: steven_g on Wed, 16 November 2016, 16:35:19
I'm interested in this. Can you ballpark a price?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: dilbertprogrammer on Wed, 16 November 2016, 17:36:47
65g Topre domes PLEEEEEEEASE   ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 16 November 2016, 18:10:26
Just wanted to update this!

We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.

Hype!
Quality will need to be top notch.

Will PM RAMA about it. Hope he can spare a minute to help me on this :).

Do you have a list of weight options in mind for the domes?

55g, 60g, and 65g i believe.

No ballpark on price. No Quotes.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Spring Swap
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 16 November 2016, 20:13:13
Just wanted to update this!

We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.

Hype!
Quality will need to be top notch.

Will PM RAMA about it. Hope he can spare a minute to help me on this :).

Do you have a list of weight options in mind for the domes?

55g, 60g, and 65g i believe.

No ballpark on price. No Quotes.

Oh awesome! Hoping these get made as I would love to have a heavier Topre board.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: richard912 on Wed, 16 November 2016, 20:23:04
If these fit into a Novatouch, I'm in for the 55g
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: asen1994 on Wed, 23 November 2016, 09:52:00
hope i can get the 55g domes
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: r5d on Thu, 24 November 2016, 04:42:36
I'd like some 55g domes for my 2 Novatouches. Interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: mrkevint on Thu, 24 November 2016, 11:31:59
Awesome project! I'd be interested in domes for my Novatouch and HHKB. I'm glad I no longer have to justify getting a new board lol.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: feediko on Thu, 24 November 2016, 17:14:13
Also interested in domes for my 2 Novatouches
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: robotmaxtron on Wed, 21 December 2016, 13:25:08
Interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: dante on Wed, 21 December 2016, 13:53:12
How expensive is it to make a dome sheet?  I'm trying to figure out $$$ for creating a custom 87 scissor switch keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: ixtopolis on Wed, 21 December 2016, 18:45:24
Definitely interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: inosint on Wed, 21 December 2016, 21:03:59
Very interested, an offering in the 70g+ range would be very appealing
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: WNovizar on Thu, 22 December 2016, 01:57:56
Does that mean you are no longer offering replacements for spacebar springs? I lost my novatouch springs......
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 22 December 2016, 03:16:59
The spacebar springs are going through some work in a USA-based manufacturer. I've been in chats with them for a little while and we should have samples in January. I know it's been a long time coming, but I'd rather have this done properly :).

Recently, I got a hold of the topre-dome models, and I'll be working on bring those up to speed as well. We have a rubber molding manufacturer that has proven to be really good with their turnaround times, and development of rubber-based products. They are the same manufacturer as the rubber feet for the M65-A and we'll be working with them in order to bring these domes together.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: rabbitfire on Sat, 24 December 2016, 12:22:19
Interested!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: bbmathlvr on Wed, 28 December 2016, 11:59:02
Filled out the form, definitely interested in trying different topre weights!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: dyrdevil on Wed, 28 December 2016, 17:33:13
This project is exciting; I thought I'd add an observation from a recent experiment I did: 

I bought some of the knockoff "55g" sheets from ebay and put them in my HHKB.  The feel wasn't bad, but what I didn't expect was that the sheets, or at least parts of them, seemed a touch thinner than the stock HHKB rubber sheets.  As a result, the travel was increased just enough for the top of the slider to go beneath the housing.  This produced a very loud and unwanted clacking sound on the downstroke, I believe from the bottom of the keycap striking the housing. 

I'm sure you're exploring everything in full, just wanted to recommend making the sheets thick enough!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: BAS1C on Wed, 12 April 2017, 10:41:07
Hey Jchan, I know you are koving offices etc and have lots on the go, but curious if this is still getting worked on and if there are any updates from recent months?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: arninja21 on Thu, 13 April 2017, 13:02:51
I hope this materializes.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: kmba on Thu, 13 April 2017, 19:02:31
Seems like this and the hhkb mods got put on hold for other more immediate projects. Hopefully now that he's moved offices, XDA, camping, m65a, etc group buys are nearing completion, attention will be given back to the topre projects.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: midnight2903 on Fri, 14 April 2017, 08:44:21
One can only wait. The topre game has always been like that, waiting.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Vadurr on Fri, 14 April 2017, 10:30:32
Definitely would love to see this come back to life!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: madhias on Sat, 15 April 2017, 03:05:07
Filled out the interest check form!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Burt Macklin on Sat, 15 April 2017, 04:06:20
Yeah, I did too.
Somehow missed the IC when it was posted  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: SICAR187 on Sat, 15 April 2017, 23:43:16
+1

Filled in form :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: ashwinv11 on Tue, 18 April 2017, 15:26:25
I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 25 April 2017, 13:13:00
I filled out a form, but the original post was like 4 months ago... is this still something that is being worked on? Would be interested in both 55g and 65g
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 26 April 2017, 00:48:58
Hi everyone,

It has taken a while to get this going, but I finally found someone to help me with this.

I've gotten the model of a the topre domes made, and also I've sent the samples out to a manufacturer to look at, so we have 2 points of reference to go off of.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Burt Macklin on Wed, 26 April 2017, 07:56:54
Great news  :thumb:

Keep us posted, please.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: hexosehr on Wed, 26 April 2017, 16:45:22
I'm interested!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: dyrdevil on Wed, 26 April 2017, 17:19:49
definitely interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: ns90 on Wed, 26 April 2017, 19:10:38
Color me intrigued.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: BAS1C on Thu, 27 April 2017, 18:15:13
Hi everyone,

It has taken a while to get this going, but I finally found someone to help me with this.

I've gotten the model of a the topre domes made, and also I've sent the samples out to a manufacturer to look at, so we have 2 points of reference to go off of.

Yes man! That is great news. Thanks for dropping an update in the midst of your busy website/move going on !!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: vulup on Sun, 30 April 2017, 09:47:00
Filled out the form - would definitely support such a GB.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: _rubik on Wed, 03 May 2017, 12:36:57
YES. I ignored this when it was springs, but not  that it has become domes I'm very interested.
This will also negate the argument against Topre keyboards: how the domes wear out and become inconsistent over time. Now we can just swap them out!
+100
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: ydvq9 on Fri, 19 May 2017, 18:12:06
cool idea, count me in.!! :D :D
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Korseir on Sun, 21 May 2017, 17:15:48
Hell yea to some replacements
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: dib_dubious on Sun, 21 May 2017, 19:17:03
Definitely interested. Got my first Realforce two weeks ago and got a HHKB last week. Loving Topre.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: DaBubbs on Sun, 21 May 2017, 20:39:58
I am interested. I like heavier switches, like the 55g, but some springs that could be customized could be of use. For example, I would probably try an extra spring that when added to a 55g dome, it would make it a 60g dome. Just to see if I like it more.

The other area of interest for me is the snappy-ness of 45g switches. I don't mind 45g switches but they are not as snappy as 55g switches imo... especially as they return upward from a key stroke. If there was a spring you could put on a 45g dome that made it as snappy as a 55g dome, that would definitely be something awesome!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: sairex on Mon, 22 May 2017, 10:17:21
Filled out the form, hope this happens
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 24 May 2017, 22:40:51
One of these things is not like the other.

(http://i.imgur.com/3qz1aOE.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: BAS1C on Wed, 24 May 2017, 22:43:28
One of these things is not like the other.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/3qz1aOE.jpg)



OMG DUDE. WOWOWOWOW. Need any testers? XD

HYYYYYYYPE
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: superdoedoe on Wed, 24 May 2017, 23:01:47
The hype is real.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 24 May 2017, 23:07:07
removed.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: superdoedoe on Thu, 25 May 2017, 00:00:39
man if you could just get a pcb going and some other parts, could make topre board without any PFU stuff

As cool as that sounds i doubt it's as easy as you make it sound to be.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 25 May 2017, 01:34:52
removed.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: nmur on Thu, 25 May 2017, 01:59:20
man if you could just get a pcb going and some other parts, could make topre board without any PFU stuff

As cool as that sounds i doubt it's as easy as you make it sound to be.

someone on DT already made a custom PCB.  I can't imagine a plate is that difficult

there's also the slider housings

getting the tolerance between the sliders and their housing would need to be perfect in order to feel consistent
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 25 May 2017, 02:06:52
removed.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: superdoedoe on Thu, 25 May 2017, 02:21:07
Definitely would consider it.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: kmba on Thu, 25 May 2017, 07:13:32
Consider that all aftermarket sliders are flawed even after so many attempts. There's always a compromise. Now magnify that issue by inducing a slightly​ flawed slider housing and you are well on your way to a bad typing experience. High quality molds are expensive. Now, people have attempted full aluminum cases with integrated slider housings, but those get abandoned when they ping uncontrollably among other issues.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 26 May 2017, 10:54:58
Another image.

TLDR

Going to get some community feedback from people about these, and ask about improvements, and issues with them. they'll be shipped around to some people who know their Topre, and if they choose to, they'll post a review online - it's completely their choice.

(https://i.imgur.com/rR0ZAQT.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: H3NT4I on Fri, 26 May 2017, 10:57:14
Just awesome JChan!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: dante on Fri, 26 May 2017, 11:36:54
Would be interested to hear how the 65g feels compared to the Sony Workstation domes.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: dante on Fri, 26 May 2017, 12:36:09
hey jchan, you are probably already doing this perhaps - think you can forward some of these to Quakemz at the TopClack podcast?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: rm-rf on Fri, 26 May 2017, 14:13:52
exciting news!! finally some more options!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: superdoedoe on Fri, 26 May 2017, 20:50:41
Send Some down Under!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: SupaSebie on Sat, 27 May 2017, 11:10:00
Count me in.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 27 May 2017, 18:16:46
Another image.

TLDR

Going to get some community feedback from people about these, and ask about improvements, and issues with them. they'll be shipped around to some people who know their Topre, and if they choose to, they'll post a review online - it's completely their choice.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/rR0ZAQT.jpg)


Dem nipples!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: vegs on Sun, 28 May 2017, 06:18:05
Hyped! Also interested to see if anyone can do a comparison with the BKE domes.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 28 May 2017, 10:14:32
Hyped! Also interested to see if anyone can do a comparison with the BKE domes.

So I did a comparison for the BKE and my current dome. I don't have an OEM one from HHKB or RF on my person atm.

1. The Topre Dome Replacement has a longer tactility.
2. The BKE dome is a little more "linear" in the beginning, and has a SHARPER, and shorter tactility. The BKE needs less weight.

I personally really like both, and can't decide between either. Of course, take those two points with a grain of salt, as this is what I'm feeling with just pushing the dome with my finger.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 28 May 2017, 15:01:18
If the BKE project goes through, my plan is to put BKE domes in my HHKB and these 55g domes in my Novatouch and my 104U.  After using 55g in the HHKB for quite some time, I ended up switching back because there just seems something a bit less special about 55g with the plastic plate.  I still really like the heavier weight in the metal plate boards though, feels really nice.

Of course I should probably try these specific domes in the HHKB as well.  Some people have measured their 55g domes to actuate more like in the 70s, so if these ones are actually 55g it might feel better for me in the HHKB.
Title: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Doluded on Sun, 28 May 2017, 15:53:32
I'll probably end up jumping in on the BKE domes if that ever happens and buying these too. I wanna put the BKE domes in my type S and these will probably go into a board I have yet to own
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: superdoedoe on Sun, 28 May 2017, 21:23:14
The BKE Domes, seem like a long way off. From what I've seen, its still in the gauging stage. I don't think it would be anytime soon, hopefully soon but I'm not holding my breath. Hopefully i'll be able to compare these to regular 55g & BKE in the near future though.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: _rubik on Sun, 28 May 2017, 23:41:26
My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 29 May 2017, 00:30:39
My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!

Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: rioc on Mon, 29 May 2017, 05:56:44
mentioned it in IC form, but wanna mention it here again: Would love a mixed set so I can make my HHKB variable weighted
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 29 May 2017, 21:54:04
My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!

Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.

I got impatient today, and tore apart my RF87u for the domes and springs. But now I have a domeless RF and it looks so deflated and sad...
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 29 May 2017, 21:58:25
My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!

Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.

I got impatient today, and tore apart my RF87u for the domes and springs. But now I have a domeless RF and it looks so deflated and sad...
What did you need the springs for?

The weight difference is in the domes.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 29 May 2017, 23:02:55
My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!

Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.

I got impatient today, and tore apart my RF87u for the domes and springs. But now I have a domeless RF and it looks so deflated and sad...
What did you need the springs for?

The weight difference is in the domes.

The springs are all 5g yeah?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: richard912 on Tue, 30 May 2017, 00:48:05
In like Flint!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 30 May 2017, 06:42:54
My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!

Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.

I got impatient today, and tore apart my RF87u for the domes and springs. But now I have a domeless RF and it looks so deflated and sad...
What did you need the springs for?

The weight difference is in the domes.

The springs are all 5g yeah?
Yes
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 30 May 2017, 07:25:07
My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!

Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.

I got impatient today, and tore apart my RF87u for the domes and springs. But now I have a domeless RF and it looks so deflated and sad...

Why not put the HHKB domes in the RF87?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: cooldiscretion on Tue, 30 May 2017, 13:58:08
Another image.

TLDR

Going to get some community feedback from people about these, and ask about improvements, and issues with them. they'll be shipped around to some people who know their Topre, and if they choose to, they'll post a review online - it's completely their choice.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/rR0ZAQT.jpg)


I'm confused. I keep hearing people talking about BKE domes being reproduced, but the BKE dome pics I find online look much different then these. Are these domes in the picture something else in addition to the BKE dome reproductions?
(https://deskthority.net/w/images/9/91/Sony_BKE-2010_-_Dome_closeup.JPG)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 30 May 2017, 14:20:55
Another image.

TLDR

Going to get some community feedback from people about these, and ask about improvements, and issues with them. they'll be shipped around to some people who know their Topre, and if they choose to, they'll post a review online - it's completely their choice.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/rR0ZAQT.jpg)

I'm confused. I keep hearing people talking about BKE domes being reproduced, but the BKE dome pics I find online look much different then these. Are these domes in the picture something else in addition to the BKE dome reproductions?
Show Image
(https://deskthority.net/w/images/9/91/Sony_BKE-2010_-_Dome_closeup.JPG)


First, "standard" 55g domes are going to be made. jchan is working with someone else on a way to reproduce BKE domes, but that's a ways off since they are still in the initial stages.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: duynguyenle on Tue, 30 May 2017, 17:09:29
Another image.

TLDR

Going to get some community feedback from people about these, and ask about improvements, and issues with them. they'll be shipped around to some people who know their Topre, and if they choose to, they'll post a review online - it's completely their choice.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/rR0ZAQT.jpg)


I'm confused. I keep hearing people talking about BKE domes being reproduced, but the BKE dome pics I find online look much different then these. Are these domes in the picture something else in addition to the BKE dome reproductions?
Show Image
(https://deskthority.net/w/images/9/91/Sony_BKE-2010_-_Dome_closeup.JPG)


Those are indeed BKE domes. You will need to manually snip off the supports to fit them into a Topre board I believe.

Edit: Found some pictures of said snipping of the nubs on reddit:
(https://i.imgur.com/7m1dtkD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/a7K4m1o.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LCYFlxe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UAXu3Ck.jpg)


Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: superdoedoe on Tue, 30 May 2017, 18:00:21
Yeah BKE domes are still a dream at this stage. It's only been talked about. The guy who proposed making the BKE domes has teamed up with jchan and i assume when his 50g domes GB is done, only then will the work on the BKE domes start, which could be months away. They did saw that Late June they would have some news for us about the BKE domes.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 30 May 2017, 18:01:17
Hyped  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: dgneo on Tue, 30 May 2017, 18:28:14
boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii yes pls
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 30 May 2017, 22:40:16
My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!

Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.

I got impatient today, and tore apart my RF87u for the domes and springs. But now I have a domeless RF and it looks so deflated and sad...
What did you need the springs for?

The weight difference is in the domes.

The springs are all 5g yeah?

I just wanted to keep them with their respective domes. I know it doesn't matter, but I guess I'm OCD like that.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: ashwinv11 on Wed, 31 May 2017, 02:05:59
STOKEDDD
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: rm-rf on Wed, 31 May 2017, 14:42:53
Another image.

TLDR

Going to get some community feedback from people about these, and ask about improvements, and issues with them. they'll be shipped around to some people who know their Topre, and if they choose to, they'll post a review online - it's completely their choice.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/rR0ZAQT.jpg)


I'm confused. I keep hearing people talking about BKE domes being reproduced, but the BKE dome pics I find online look much different then these. Are these domes in the picture something else in addition to the BKE dome reproductions?
Show Image
(https://deskthority.net/w/images/9/91/Sony_BKE-2010_-_Dome_closeup.JPG)


these are the right domes, but they have to be modified to be used in topre boards.
the pic you posted needs to have the carbon foot removed, then it can be used in a board.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 07 June 2017, 22:58:28
Quick Update

I had a quick moment to test out the domes and how they compare to Realforce 50g ones. They are slightly heavier than 50g.

I've sent the samples out to people so they can test them out already, and hope to get feedback soon.

If all goes well, we might be able to proceed very soon, but only if the feedback is positive. If not, we'll go back to adjusting our models.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 08 June 2017, 03:23:06
This is great! I'd love some thing slightly heavier than 50g.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 08 June 2017, 10:04:50
Quick Update

I had a quick moment to test out the domes and how they compare to Realforce 50g ones. They are slightly heavier than 50g.

I've sent the samples out to people so they can test them out already, and hope to get feedback soon.

If all goes well, we might be able to proceed very soon, but only if the feedback is positive. If not, we'll go back to adjusting our models.

Dopre! I don't mind if they are slightly heavier at all.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: dante on Sat, 10 June 2017, 08:44:01
Quick Update

I had a quick moment to test out the domes and how they compare to Realforce 50g ones. They are slightly heavier than 50g.

I've sent the samples out to people so they can test them out already, and hope to get feedback soon.

If all goes well, we might be able to proceed very soon, but only if the feedback is positive. If not, we'll go back to adjusting our models.

Any chance you may do 65g (or heavier) domes?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: w0odyallen on Sat, 10 June 2017, 11:40:26
I would also buy domes heavier than 50, like 65.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: kmba on Sat, 10 June 2017, 12:54:35
Keep in mind that 50g domes become 55 with the springs. So all "55g" topre switches use 50g domes. Another reviewer said he thinks these domes are heavier than the expected 50g, and when installed in his fc660c, had noticeably more tactility and we're obviously considerably heavier.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 10 June 2017, 15:11:39
Here's one review received on reddit. With this I'm trying to add an adhesive pad to the dome to help it stick to the pcb better so it doesn't move.

I thought about making strips, but I think the measurements might be off.

I've also asked manufacturer about the turnaround and they said 4 weeks to produce the dome quantity up to 100,000.

Quote
Pros
+ Cheap way to get heavier domes.
+ Nice and smooth.
+ Crisp bump.
+ The added tactility feels really nice.

Cons
ー Domes seem to come as individuals. Hard to seat and keep seated.

Neutral
- Feels a lot heavier than the stock domes on my fc660c. Take this however you will.
- May be a bit too heavy for leopold boards, especially since they sit around 50g stock as it is, but may feel perfect for other boards.

Overall
KeyClack's new topre domes are a nice addition to any topre fans looking for a heavier experience out of their 45g topre boards without the money to shell out for a 55g realforce. The tactility gets a nice increase from the domeswap. My only complaint is that these domes, for now, seem to only come as individuals. Without any way to keep the dome seated on the board, even putting in one dome was an annoying experience. The dome definitely delivers on what it's trying to do.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: kmba on Sat, 10 June 2017, 17:50:09
It would be difficult to get the spacing correct because they'd need to mold an entire strip otherwise the dimensions would probably be off honestly. It's a pita sometimes to get the single domes to sit straight on topre boards so an entire board of singles could be a nightmare. I think a low hold plastic/rubber safe adhesive would be a very good solution.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: marre259 on Sat, 10 June 2017, 23:32:51
The novatouch has spoiled me with it's single sheet of domes  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 10:10:08
Installing domes one by one obviously takes a lot of time, but I'm surprised that reviewer had seating issues.  Were they trying to place the domes directly on the PCB or something?  Best way to do it is to drop them into the sliders with the sliders hanging all the way down (just get two boxes and put them at the edges of the plate so the sliders aren't pressing against anything).
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: ns90 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 11:11:55
Installing domes one by one obviously takes a lot of time, but I'm surprised that reviewer had seating issues.  Were they trying to place the domes directly on the PCB or something?  Best way to do it is to drop them into the sliders with the sliders hanging all the way down (just get two boxes and put them at the edges of the plate so the sliders aren't pressing against anything).

This is exactly what I did when I dome-swapped my HHKB. You just need to make sure to shim it underneath so that the sliders will hang down.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 14:26:14
Installing domes one by one obviously takes a lot of time, but I'm surprised that reviewer had seating issues.  Were they trying to place the domes directly on the PCB or something?  Best way to do it is to drop them into the sliders with the sliders hanging all the way down (just get two boxes and put them at the edges of the plate so the sliders aren't pressing against anything).

This is exactly what I did when I dome-swapped my HHKB. You just need to make sure to shim it underneath so that the sliders will hang down.

I've only done a NT dome swap.

How do you feel about having an adhesive side on the dome so it sticks to the pcb?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: BSmith333 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 17:57:40
Installing domes one by one obviously takes a lot of time, but I'm surprised that reviewer had seating issues.  Were they trying to place the domes directly on the PCB or something?  Best way to do it is to drop them into the sliders with the sliders hanging all the way down (just get two boxes and put them at the edges of the plate so the sliders aren't pressing against anything).

This is exactly what I did when I dome-swapped my HHKB. You just need to make sure to shim it underneath so that the sliders will hang down.

I've only done a NT dome swap.

How do you feel about having an adhesive side on the dome so it sticks to the pcb?

Adhesive would be awesome so the springs dont fly everywhere when you open it up again
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: xondat on Sun, 11 June 2017, 18:34:30
I wonder if the guy put the domes on the PCB or on the housings. You should put in on the housings (from my experience). There are already pins to help line them up, as seen here:

(https://www.keychatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/keychatter_2015-07-21_21-01-33.jpg)

Adhesive would be annoying in my opinion; if you stick them on in the wrong place, you're kinda screwed.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: clickityClackity on Sun, 11 June 2017, 18:38:12
I wonder if the guy put the domes on the PCB or on the housings. You should put in on the housings (from my experience). There are already pins to help line them up, as seen here:

Show Image
(https://www.keychatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/keychatter_2015-07-21_21-01-33.jpg)


Adhesive would be annoying in my opinion; if you stick them on in the wrong place, you're kinda screwed.
I've had issues where the spring didn't sit flat when placing the domes in the housing. I would definitely prefer if they were glued properly at the factory, but putting glue myself would be tedious go say the least
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: robbles on Sun, 11 June 2017, 18:44:01
There is no adhesive applied in the factory correct? I always assumed the domes kinda stuck to the PCB because rubber tends to naturally adhere to smooth surfaces overtime. I might be down if it was a really light adhesive that didn't leave residue on the PCB, just so the domes stayed in place if you have to open it back up.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 19:44:37
There is no adhesive applied in the factory correct? I always assumed the domes kinda stuck to the PCB because rubber tends to naturally adhere to smooth surfaces overtime. I might be down if it was a really light adhesive that didn't leave residue on the PCB, just so the domes stayed in place if you have to open it back up.

Ours will use 3M adhesive. Only the best.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Gajible on Sun, 11 June 2017, 20:36:25
There is no adhesive applied in the factory correct? I always assumed the domes kinda stuck to the PCB because rubber tends to naturally adhere to smooth surfaces overtime. I might be down if it was a really light adhesive that didn't leave residue on the PCB, just so the domes stayed in place if you have to open it back up.

Ours will use 3M adhesive. Only the best.

I'm not sure how I feel about adhesive. I've done a few dome swaps and I feel like having the domes stick to the PCB would be real annoying.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 11 June 2017, 20:44:22
There is no adhesive applied in the factory correct? I always assumed the domes kinda stuck to the PCB because rubber tends to naturally adhere to smooth surfaces overtime. I might be down if it was a really light adhesive that didn't leave residue on the PCB, just so the domes stayed in place if you have to open it back up.

Ours will use 3M adhesive. Only the best.

I'm not sure how I feel about adhesive. I've done a few dome swaps and I feel like having the domes stick to the PCB would be real annoying.

Yeah having adhesive is definitely something I don't want.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 20:57:59
I feel like if adhesive is used, it should be equivalent to a glue stick or something. 
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: alienman82 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 21:05:27
removed.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Mon, 12 June 2017, 00:53:50
 :P we won't be using adhesive.

Anyways, here are two more reviews.

Review 1

Pro
- pretty bang on with quality (had to mark it just so I wouldn't confuse it with 55g dome)
- as it sits now: if you like heavy switches, this is right up your alley
- **** yes to topre dome options
- seems to fit in housing just fine

Con
- this is heavy compared to 55g (i'm not a heavy switch user)
- imo because the weight is so high it feels like it kills some of the tactility?

Review 2

Pro
- Super tactile compared to rf 55g
- Comparable quality and feel to rf 55g
- Same actuation point and collapse point
Cons
- Heavier than rf 55g by a lot
- There is bur/spru marks on the edges of the dome from the mold

My Response

The dome was measured. It's about 155g if you use the coin test to measure it so the dome hits the bottom.

I'll be adjusting the model to get somewhere around 75g.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 12 June 2017, 03:58:25
It Shouldn't feel comparable to 55g normal domes. I thought the whole point of BKE domes was a added tactility. BKE Domes are meant to be the most tactile Domes out there.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 12 June 2017, 08:58:11
These aren't the BKE dome clones, that's a separate project.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: robbles on Mon, 12 June 2017, 11:08:44
...

My Response

The dome was measured. It's about 155g if you use the coin test to measure it so the dome hits the bottom.

I'll be adjusting the model to get somewhere around 75g.

Thank you for 75g bottom out! That sounds perfect.

I'm curious what boards the testers were using.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 12 June 2017, 17:18:38
These aren't the BKE dome clones, that's a separate project.

Ah yeah Thanks. Totally got the projects mistaken
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Koatl on Mon, 12 June 2017, 20:41:43
Please excuse my ignorance: can this dome be used on the Topre 108 RGB without losing MX compatibility? Seems like the dome would go underneath the cap housing/stem, so it shouldn't be a problem. Just figured I'd ask to make sure.

Anyway I'm super excited by this project. I'm thinking I should buy enough for every board I would eventually plan on buying, just in case. Unfortunately I only specified on the form that I want 110. I'm going to resubmit the form for a larger order. I hope this doesn't cause any confusion.

I'm positive I'm going to want to upgrade to the BKE as well when and if they come out. >_<
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 12 June 2017, 21:33:37
Please excuse my ignorance: can this dome be used on the Topre 108 RGB without losing MX compatibility? Seems like the dome would go underneath the cap housing/stem, so it shouldn't be a problem. Just figured I'd ask to make sure.

Anyway I'm super excited by this project. I'm thinking I should buy enough for every board I would eventually plan on buying, just in case. Unfortunately I only specified on the form that I want 110. I'm going to resubmit the form for a larger order. I hope this doesn't cause any confusion.

I'm positive I'm going to want to upgrade to the BKE as well when and if they come out. >_<

Yep you'll be able to use these without issue, though you'll void your warranty since you have to open up the case.  Also you don't have to worry about the form in the OP, that's just there to give jchan an idea of how many people are interested and for how many domes.  There will be an actual group buy/sale later on.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 15 June 2017, 12:25:31
New samples are being made this week!

Should have them by next week. Hyped!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: romevi on Thu, 15 June 2017, 13:14:53
New samples are being made this week!

Should have them by next week. Hyped!
:confused:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 15 June 2017, 15:05:06
Exciting! Has anyone thought about what we will call these?  I really like how people call their novatouches with Norbauer's case the "norbatouch".

jchan domes? keyclack domes? kc/jc domes?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: marre259 on Fri, 16 June 2017, 00:24:56
Exciting! Has anyone thought about what we will call these?  I really like how people call their novatouches with Norbauer's case the "norbatouch".

jchan domes? keyclack domes? kc/jc domes?

jchan's nipples  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: superdoedoe on Fri, 16 June 2017, 09:22:22
At this stage, i'm just waiting for either these or some replica BKE domes to finish my end game hhkb. Organ board is waiting to be sacrificed.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 17 June 2017, 00:33:14
Chan Domes? :O

Anyways, we're working on making new samples.

Arrives next Friday or the following Monday. I'll measure it then, and hope there's good progress. Cheers.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: ns90 on Sat, 17 June 2017, 23:26:28
J Cups?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: romevi on Mon, 19 June 2017, 12:01:25
J Cups?

LOL YES!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: rm-rf on Mon, 19 June 2017, 20:35:10
J Cups?

LOL YES!

i like the sound of jcups
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 21 June 2017, 16:19:59
Just got tracking for TWO new stiffness' of domes.

Hoping these are just right.

My small review of the 150g ish dome.

- On my HHKB Pro 2 Spacebar
- I like how tactile it is, but it is a tad heavy. I had to take out the spring because the spring made it feel super linear.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: switchnollie on Thu, 22 June 2017, 20:09:51
I wonder if the guy put the domes on the PCB or on the housings. You should put in on the housings (from my experience). There are already pins to help line them up, as seen here:

Show Image
(https://www.keychatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/keychatter_2015-07-21_21-01-33.jpg)


Adhesive would be annoying in my opinion; if you stick them on in the wrong place, you're kinda screwed.

Yeah, whenever I see people saying HHKB is hard to put together I feel like they're not using this method.

Real easy this way.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 27 June 2017, 09:45:53
How are the jcups coming along? I'm so close to endgaming my Novatouch!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 28 June 2017, 02:30:01
New ones came in, and they're pretty good. These are 70g

70g dome
(http://i.imgur.com/UBOOcuo.jpg)

Real Force dome
(http://i.imgur.com/LnXQEhE.jpg)

HHKB dome
(http://i.imgur.com/o0JcTWH.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Gajible on Wed, 28 June 2017, 02:33:20
New ones came in, and they're pretty good. These are 70g

70g dome
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/UBOOcuo.jpg)


Real Force dome
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/LnXQEhE.jpg)


HHKB dome
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/o0JcTWH.jpg)


How do they feel as far as tactility goes?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 28 June 2017, 02:34:53
New ones came in, and they're pretty good. These are 70g

70g dome
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/UBOOcuo.jpg)


Real Force dome
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/LnXQEhE.jpg)


HHKB dome
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/o0JcTWH.jpg)


How do they feel as far as tactility goes?

I'll send you like 4 of em. Feel pretty good. I'd describe it as a huge bump.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Gajible on Wed, 28 June 2017, 02:41:09
New ones came in, and they're pretty good. These are 70g

70g dome
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/UBOOcuo.jpg)


Real Force dome
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/LnXQEhE.jpg)


I like big bumps and I cannot lie.

HHKB dome
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/o0JcTWH.jpg)


How do they feel as far as tactility goes?

I'll send you like 4 of em. Feel pretty good. I'd describe it as a huge bump.

I like big bumps and I cannot lie.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Asbrodeus on Wed, 28 June 2017, 07:01:18
damn, I love 55g but 70 must be brutal!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 28 June 2017, 07:04:36
New ones came in, and they're pretty good. These are 70g

70g dome
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/UBOOcuo.jpg)


Real Force dome
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/LnXQEhE.jpg)


HHKB dome
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/o0JcTWH.jpg)


ay dios mio that 70g  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: rioc on Wed, 28 June 2017, 07:43:42
ooooh, 70g... I'm glad I didnt get myself 65g yet
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 28 June 2017, 10:07:23
 I'm gonna be all over that 70g!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 28 June 2017, 10:43:20
When could we expect a GB?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: robbles on Wed, 28 June 2017, 10:46:56
Are multiple weights going to be offered? Or just one heavy dome to rule them all?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Wed, 28 June 2017, 11:38:22
70g sounds a bit too heavy to me, but I'm sure lots of people would love that as an option. I was hoping for 55g-65g total weight (including spring)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Burt Macklin on Wed, 28 June 2017, 18:58:57
70g   ;D

Is there at least a rough date?
Like, in 2 months, or sooner/later?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Asbrodeus on Thu, 29 June 2017, 06:05:13
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 29 June 2017, 09:29:19
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.

Yes that's what I'm thinking is the case, so I'm 100% down for this.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: SJHL on Thu, 29 June 2017, 10:01:58
Might be interested in both 70g and 55g domes. Hopefully, the price isn't too bad.

Thanks for making this happen.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 29 June 2017, 10:19:46
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.

The domes labeled Realforce look dark like the 55g domes though and have 10 nickels on top, which would be 50g (and the HHKB dome has 8 i.e. 40g). So I think these latest J Cups are indeed just heavier.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Tue, 04 July 2017, 20:46:08
Any more updates soon? So looking forward to this.. woke up yesterday and realised my stock HHKB felt 'mushy' - in other words, I need this tactility  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 05 July 2017, 19:27:02
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.

The domes labeled Realforce look dark like the 55g domes though and have 10 nickels on top, which would be 50g (and the HHKB dome has 8 i.e. 40g). So I think these latest J Cups are indeed just heavier.

So this is what's interesting about the JDomes.

Clearly, the bottom out force is signifcantly higher, I feel that the domes actuation force is close to the Realforce domes. There is a nice big bump in the beginning, which I really like.

I sent final review samples to Gajible, and Quakemz, who may or may not post some final feedback on the domes, but I highly encourage that they do.

I'm really excited, and we're almost there.

Please fill out the form if you haven't.
----

Lastly, we're still trying to mock up the BKE dome, and make sure that it's good to go. I hope we get it done very soon and follow up after this GB is over with.

I'm going to quote a 1 month turnaround time for this GB, as the manufacturer has been extremely timely with their current turnaround times.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 06 July 2017, 00:02:34
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.

The domes labeled Realforce look dark like the 55g domes though and have 10 nickels on top, which would be 50g (and the HHKB dome has 8 i.e. 40g). So I think these latest J Cups are indeed just heavier.

So this is what's interesting about the JDomes.

Clearly, the bottom out force is signifcantly higher, I feel that the domes actuation force is close to the Realforce domes. There is a nice big bump in the beginning, which I really like.

I sent final review samples to Gajible, and Quakemz, who may or may not post some final feedback on the domes, but I highly encourage that they do.

I'm really excited, and we're almost there.

Please fill out the form if you haven't.
----

Lastly, we're still trying to mock up the BKE dome, and make sure that it's good to go. I hope we get it done very soon and follow up after this GB is over with.

I'm going to quote a 1 month turnaround time for this GB, as the manufacturer has been extremely timely with their current turnaround times.

Great news! I don't mind heavy bottom out since I don't really bottom out anyway, as long as the actuation is similar enough.  I just need that bump! Also, I think we all voted on jcups as the official term :P
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: heyitsqi on Sun, 09 July 2017, 13:38:08
Aw man another jchan thing I'm interested in. Filled out the form!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: BAS1C on Tue, 11 July 2017, 14:39:47
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.

The domes labeled Realforce look dark like the 55g domes though and have 10 nickels on top, which would be 50g (and the HHKB dome has 8 i.e. 40g). So I think these latest J Cups are indeed just heavier.

So this is what's interesting about the JDomes.

Clearly, the bottom out force is signifcantly higher, I feel that the domes actuation force is close to the Realforce domes. There is a nice big bump in the beginning, which I really like.

I sent final review samples to Gajible, and Quakemz, who may or may not post some final feedback on the domes, but I highly encourage that they do.

I'm really excited, and we're almost there.

Please fill out the form if you haven't.
----

Lastly, we're still trying to mock up the BKE dome, and make sure that it's good to go. I hope we get it done very soon and follow up after this GB is over with.

I'm going to quote a 1 month turnaround time for this GB, as the manufacturer has been extremely timely with their current turnaround times.

So i touched a bke this weekend and am in love. In for both. tyvmjc
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 11 July 2017, 18:06:49
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.

The domes labeled Realforce look dark like the 55g domes though and have 10 nickels on top, which would be 50g (and the HHKB dome has 8 i.e. 40g). So I think these latest J Cups are indeed just heavier.

So this is what's interesting about the JDomes.

Clearly, the bottom out force is signifcantly higher, I feel that the domes actuation force is close to the Realforce domes. There is a nice big bump in the beginning, which I really like.

I sent final review samples to Gajible, and Quakemz, who may or may not post some final feedback on the domes, but I highly encourage that they do.

I'm really excited, and we're almost there.

Please fill out the form if you haven't.
----

Lastly, we're still trying to mock up the BKE dome, and make sure that it's good to go. I hope we get it done very soon and follow up after this GB is over with.

I'm going to quote a 1 month turnaround time for this GB, as the manufacturer has been extremely timely with their current turnaround times.

So i touched a bke this weekend and am in love. In for both. tyvmjc

I've never tried it, but I've heard good things and I'm also in for both. What did you think of the BKE domes?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Tue, 11 July 2017, 18:37:49
Put anything heavier than stock HHKB domes in front of me and I'm 110% in  :thumb:

Edit: sorry, realised i've already posted fairly recently on this thread... (is this spamming??) I'm just so excited for this
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: LogicLoop on Sun, 16 July 2017, 11:21:27
Having skimmed through this thread: am I correct in thinking that the 70g domes have the same actuation (more or less) as 55g Topre domes. Or are we talking about domes with a 70g actuation?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Sun, 16 July 2017, 14:19:55
Having skimmed through this thread: am I correct in thinking that the 70g domes have the same actuation (more or less) as 55g Topre domes. Or are we talking about domes with a 70g actuation?

As I understand,  it's 55g actuation,  70g bottom out
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: clappingcactus on Thu, 20 July 2017, 19:26:37
When's your best estimate for having the group buy jchan?

Also, for you personally, what do you think of having a Topre board with '55g dome' alphas and 'bke dome' mods? Given that I guess you have familiarity with both.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: dotcom on Thu, 27 July 2017, 08:58:42
I'm interested in the 70g.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 27 July 2017, 09:16:35
Do we expect these to work on Topre clone keyboards like Plum etc?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 27 July 2017, 11:41:02
Do we expect these to work on Topre clone keyboards like Plum etc?

Yeah, I don't see why not. They all use similar enough domes.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: kmba on Thu, 27 July 2017, 12:15:29
With these, bke domes, those other ones from Seattle meetup, upcoming fc660c and 980c aluminum cases, I think I'm gonna have to sell my MX boards and get more topre. I like my two the way they are but I'll need more. At least 3. Uhg.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 27 July 2017, 12:51:01
With these, bke domes, those other ones from Seattle meetup, upcoming fc660c and 980c aluminum cases, I think I'm gonna have to sell my MX boards and get more topre. I like my two the way they are but I'll need more. At least 3. Uhg.

Topre's dopre.

What domes were at the Seattle meetup?

Actually, jchan is also working with someone else to replicate/mimic BKE domes too, so I'm getting both from him :P

I'm also excitied about the FC660C case... almost endgame for my novatouch and leo. What a time to be alive.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 27 July 2017, 13:25:43
Is this like a single run group buy, or will they be available afterwards. Dangerous question, I realize but...
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: hayt on Fri, 28 July 2017, 09:21:29
In for a set of purple 65g domes!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: LogicLoop on Tue, 01 August 2017, 12:56:29

Actually, jchan is also working with someone else to replicate/mimic BKE domes too, so I'm getting both from him :P


What weight are the BKE domes?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 01 August 2017, 14:26:01

Actually, jchan is also working with someone else to replicate/mimic BKE domes too, so I'm getting both from him :P


What weight are the BKE domes?

I believe BKE domes are technically also around 45g, but it's said to have much greater tactility and a very different feel. Never felt them myself, but I want to!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: drevyek on Tue, 01 August 2017, 22:19:25
I'd be down for some 55~60g domes. BKe or otherwise. Would love to get a bunch of different feels from Topre.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: directheatedtriode on Wed, 02 August 2017, 11:26:36
Added my interest to the form, I don't really care what color they are, what ever is most popular is fine with me.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: arninja21 on Sun, 20 August 2017, 04:10:10
I like them domes heavy. I don't think i type that many words at the office anyway anyway. haha
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: colbs on Fri, 25 August 2017, 17:34:34
Can't wait! Been looking to get heavier domes for a few boards

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 29 August 2017, 10:46:13
Any updates on this? Really want to try these out! Like someone else said, color doesn't matter, so whatever was the most popular vote is fine with me.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: robbles on Tue, 29 August 2017, 11:29:51
Jchan seems to be in the middle of the M65-A groupbuy which is taking up a lot of his time. If you follow that thread, you also know he's going through some family health stuff and having to spend a lot of time at the hospital. He also has the GMK Muted buy to handle too.

TL;DR Jchan is hella busy with other gb's and will probably pick this up when his plate is clear.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 29 August 2017, 14:50:41
Yikes, my best thoughts go out to him and his loved ones then. Will be more patient from now on.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 29 August 2017, 20:33:50
Just wanted to bump this, as I saw some posts on this.

--

Last week, I had a good chat with a new manufacturer, and I had some third parties visit them in Asia to confirm a few things. Basically, few things are moving.

I paid for a new sample mold for the 55g + BKE domes.

The mold will be produced after Sept 6, and samples delivered at the end of Sept to me.

After that, we will run through some QC and then see how to proceed.

---

The biggest thing about the domes is the quality. It is so immensely important to get the feeling and rubber right on it.

Once we have good samples, we'll be proceeding, but this is kinda "pending", but I made a little progress.

---

Lastly, in order to alleviate the whole "GB PROCESS", and "WAITING" period, I'll be skipping that here.

In any case, we have a small waiting game for the samples.

---

Some people who will receive the samples as they helped me on the backend for this to get it to where it is today:

- Platabear
- Quakemz
- Thedford
- Gajible
- ?
- ?

I have 70 domes of each total, and they get 10 each.

---

I hope this update is substantial enough, as I want to state that manufacturers are a dime a dozen, and hopefully we're closing in the one that can provide us the amazing feels that we desire.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: arninja21 on Tue, 29 August 2017, 21:13:09
Just wanted to bump this, as I saw some posts on this.

--

Last week, I had a good chat with a new manufacturer, and I had some third parties visit them in Asia to confirm a few things. Basically, few things are moving.

I paid for a new sample mold for the 55g + BKE domes.

The mold will be produced after Sept 6, and samples delivered at the end of Sept to me.

After that, we will run through some QC and then see how to proceed.

---

The biggest thing about the domes is the quality. It is so immensely important to get the feeling and rubber right on it.

Once we have good samples, we'll be proceeding, but this is kinda "pending", but I made a little progress.

---

Lastly, in order to alleviate the whole "GB PROCESS", and "WAITING" period, I'll be skipping that here.

In any case, we have a small waiting game for the samples.

---

Some people who will receive the samples as they helped me on the backend for this to get it to where it is today:

- Platabear
- Quakemz
- Thedford
- Gajible
- ?
- ?

I have 70 domes of each total, and they get 10 each.

---

I hope this update is substantial enough, as I want to state that manufacturers are a dime a dozen, and hopefully we're closing in the one that can provide us the amazing feels that we desire.
Thanks for the update jchan. Can't wait to try both bke and 55g.

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: drevyek on Tue, 29 August 2017, 22:59:48
Great update jchan!

I'd be interested in who they are, the manufacturers: are they run-of-the-mill, garbage-heap rubber dome fabs that are trying something new; more akin to Plum with an already established pseudo-topre process; or fully out of left field?

I'd wonder if some of these companies are looking for an easy way into the Topresque scene? Or just some contract work on the side?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 31 August 2017, 03:18:01
Topresque
Nice neologism! Three languages in one word! I wonder what the record is for the most languages combined into a single word...
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 31 August 2017, 14:29:27
Wow, it's moving forward! :D
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: kmba on Thu, 31 August 2017, 15:18:21
I'm this close to pulling the trigger on a BKE-2010 I found, but these damned things are getting expensive.. is immediate gratification worth 3x the cost? :D
D
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: gnmar2723 on Thu, 31 August 2017, 16:38:01
I'm this close to pulling the trigger on a BKE-2010 I found, but these damned things are getting expensive.. is immediate gratification worth 3x the cost? :D
D

In the long run, no, probably not. Short run, absolutely. If you decide you don't want it, I would appreciate if you pointed me to where I can buy it...  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: clappingcactus on Thu, 31 August 2017, 19:28:55
I'm this close to pulling the trigger on a BKE-2010 I found, but these damned things are getting expensive.. is immediate gratification worth 3x the cost? :D
D

In the long run, no, probably not. Short run, absolutely. If you decide you don't want it, I would appreciate if you pointed me to where I can buy it...  :))

There's one on ebay right now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-BKE-2010-Editing-Keyboard-Great-Condition-/132311104347?hash=item1ece5b3b5b:g:xGcAAOSwXf9ZpYlj
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: kmba on Thu, 31 August 2017, 19:58:13
I'm this close to pulling the trigger on a BKE-2010 I found, but these damned things are getting expensive.. is immediate gratification worth 3x the cost? :D
D

In the long run, no, probably not. Short run, absolutely. If you decide you don't want it, I would appreciate if you pointed me to where I can buy it...  :))

There's one on ebay right now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-BKE-2010-Editing-Keyboard-Great-Condition-/132311104347?hash=item1ece5b3b5b:g:xGcAAOSwXf9ZpYlj

 Yes and the exact same one is listed on Craigslist but the seller won't respond to any communication. Seems fishy. That's not the one I'm eyeing
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 01 September 2017, 04:13:56
What do people do after they have harvested the domes from these Sony BKE?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: dblack on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:32:51
What do people do after they have harvested the domes from these Sony BKE?

Dome swap to HHKBs mostly
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:53:13
What do people do after they have harvested the domes from these Sony BKE?

Dome swap to HHKBs mostly

Yeah, I've seen those and the FC660C the most. Haven't really seen any done on Realforces, but I'm sure they are out there.

Unless menuhin meant what is done with the leftover Sony board - in that case, usually nothing lol.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: kmba on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:06:16
What do people do after they have harvested the domes from these Sony BKE?

Dome swap to HHKBs mostly

Yeah, I've seen those and the FC660C the most. Haven't really seen any done on Realforces, but I'm sure they are out there.

Unless menuhin meant what is done with the leftover Sony board - in that case, usually nothing lol.

Because the most available bke units don't have enough switches to cover a Realforce.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Wed, 06 September 2017, 19:57:25
Just got this HHKB and now you guys got me all hot and bothered with this. Hopefully everything is good and we can all get in on this.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: sodiumjoe on Wed, 06 September 2017, 23:11:15


I paid for a new sample mold for the 55g + BKE domes.

The mold will be produced after Sept 6, and samples delivered at the end of Sept to me.

I have 70 domes of each total, and they get 10 each.


Does this mean you made separate molds for 55g domes and BKE domes? So they'll both be shipping at the same time? Or did the two projects get merged into one?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 07 September 2017, 10:59:10
From what I heard from Platabear on reddit, they are separate projects that are both in the prototype phase.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: sodiumjoe on Thu, 07 September 2017, 15:46:04
From what I heard from Platabear on reddit, they are separate projects that are both in the prototype phase.
Oh great, thanks! Anyone know what weight the bke domes are?

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: graefeln on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:14:56
From what I heard from Platabear on reddit, they are separate projects that are both in the prototype phase.
Oh great, thanks! Anyone know what weight the bke domes are?

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Haven't used them personally, but my understanding is that they are less than 55g (~45g) with a more tactile feel.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Miotch92 on Sat, 09 September 2017, 02:26:45
Would love to get some 55g domes!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: joelfong on Sat, 09 September 2017, 10:02:58
Looks good! Hopefully the moulds turn out well. Would be keen on getting a set of these domes.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: luminor on Thu, 14 September 2017, 04:49:49
definitely getting this!!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 15 September 2017, 15:19:08
BKE Dome Samples Produced.

We'll have a pricing update next week when I get them on hand. Then review units sent out to people.

(https://i.gyazo.com/2faf2ce74cde935d3b50dfb81d60e72f.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Strontaap on Fri, 15 September 2017, 15:52:43
Aww yisssss!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: drevyek on Fri, 15 September 2017, 22:50:12
Thoughts on weighting/tactility etc on the samples?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: menuhin on Sat, 16 September 2017, 12:21:34
BKE Dome Samples Produced.

We'll have a pricing update next week when I get them on hand. Then review units sent out to people.

Show Image
(https://i.gyazo.com/2faf2ce74cde935d3b50dfb81d60e72f.png)


Drooling...

I want to be one of those "people"  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: joelfong on Sat, 16 September 2017, 23:44:33
BKE Dome Samples Produced.

We'll have a pricing update next week when I get them on hand. Then review units sent out to people.

Show Image
(https://i.gyazo.com/2faf2ce74cde935d3b50dfb81d60e72f.png)


Looking good!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 18 September 2017, 12:30:44
This thread is slowly becoming a game changer.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: midnight2903 on Tue, 19 September 2017, 19:49:14
Definitely interested in this!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: madhias on Fri, 22 September 2017, 03:55:00
Looking good!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: enthdegree on Tue, 26 September 2017, 16:04:56
Is there a template for capacitive sensing PCBs and controllers?

I'd like to make a custom board based on these bke clones but the sensing mechanism looks like a headache to hand-wire.
Title: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Atredl on Tue, 26 September 2017, 17:41:41
Is there a template for capacitive sensing PCBs and controllers?

I'd like to make a custom board based on these bke clones but the sensing mechanism looks like a headache to hand-wire.
I'm pretty sure a custom Topre board, if anyone ever figures out how to make one, would always require a full pcb because of the pressure that needs to be applied to the domes. That would also mean that the plate/slider housings would be custom made for the layout you're building.

It's not something that could be hand-wired the same way a cherry board can because each Topre switch isn't a modular part. Someone might be able to invent a modular Topre switch, kinda like the buckling spring switch that was up on kickstarter a while back, but it sounds like a complicated endeavor.

All that said, I would love for custom Topre boards to become a thing. It's just a very tall order.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: kmba on Tue, 26 September 2017, 18:33:54
tried bke domes for the first time recently.  Honestly they're too tactile.. too much of a collapsing feeling and not enough of a bump feeling.  But, certainly in for 55g domes for my hhkb. 
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: madhias on Wed, 27 September 2017, 04:28:36
Is there a template for capacitive sensing PCBs and controllers?

I'd like to make a custom board based on these bke clones but the sensing mechanism looks like a headache to hand-wire.
I'm pretty sure a custom Topre board, if anyone ever figures out how to make one, would always require a full pcb because of the pressure that needs to be applied to the domes. That would also mean that the plate/slider housings would be custom made for the layout you're building.

Maybe this thread is interesting, a custom split HHKB, still in progress: https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/another-custom-split-hand-topre-board-need-your-input-t14769.html?hilit=custom%20topre
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 27 September 2017, 04:36:30
Maybe this thread is interesting, a custom split HHKB, still in progress: https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/another-custom-split-hand-topre-board-need-your-input-t14769.html?hilit=custom%20topre
Well I'll be damned, those guys over at deskthority sure are impressive.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: robotsokk on Wed, 27 September 2017, 08:42:02
Is there a template for capacitive sensing PCBs and controllers?

I'd like to make a custom board based on these bke clones but the sensing mechanism looks like a headache to hand-wire.
I'm pretty sure a custom Topre board, if anyone ever figures out how to make one, would always require a full pcb because of the pressure that needs to be applied to the domes. That would also mean that the plate/slider housings would be custom made for the layout you're building.

Maybe this thread is interesting, a custom split HHKB, still in progress: https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/another-custom-split-hand-topre-board-need-your-input-t14769.html?hilit=custom%20topre

Ah beat me to it  :p

Another interesting one: https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-a-custom-topre-board-t11734.html

But, I digress. Still very much interested in what reviewers think once they have their hands on them.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 29 September 2017, 17:14:46
I'm so glad I didn't miss this. Was away from gh for a few months.

Definitely want to get down on some domes. If anyone is able and willing to replace some domes for me, I'd hire you for it. Keep me in mind. ^__^
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Vadurr on Fri, 29 September 2017, 17:32:10
I'm so glad I didn't miss this. Was away from gh for a few months.

Definitely want to get down on some domes. If anyone is able and willing to replace some domes for me, I'd hire you for it. Keep me in mind. ^__^

It's super easy! Youtube will make it a peace of cake!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 29 September 2017, 20:57:14
It's super easy! Youtube will make it a peace of cake!

Oh whaaaat? I was under the impression it was a major pain. Apparently not. Thank you so much!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: a_ak57 on Fri, 29 September 2017, 22:10:37
It's rather time consuming, but not actually difficult.  Just requires opening the case, unscrewing a ton of screws, swapping the domes and making sure they're placed correctly (there are grooves to help with this though), putting the springs into each dome (just a matter of dropping them in), then screwing in those ton of screws and sealing it up the case.

I think a lot of people just make it more difficult for themselves during the dome installation step by just putting the board on a flat surface, when you actually want to let all the sliders freely hang downward since the domes will drop in and align easily then.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Mon, 02 October 2017, 22:20:31
Review units have been sent out to people.

So far - people are really happy with them.

BKE:w

Reviewer 1:
- A Little Heavy but SUPER tactile

Reviewer 2:
- More tactile than BKE but the bump is slightly lower
- Overall: love them.

Reviewer 3:
- Very snappy
- Not heavy
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: sodiumjoe on Mon, 02 October 2017, 22:51:52
so excited, what's next?

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Mon, 02 October 2017, 22:57:42
so excited, what's next?

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We're working on a lighter BKE dome atm.

It's already dome but it ships out after the autumn festival.

We'll have all of the domes in November so you can get them for yourself.

I think we'll also have a dome sampler pack so you can test them out yourself.  Maybe 5 of BKE-light and BKE-heavy
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: sodiumjoe on Mon, 02 October 2017, 23:00:06
so excited, what's next?

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We're working on a lighter BKE dome atm.

It's already dome but it ships out after the autumn festival.

We'll have all of the domes in November so you can get them for yourself.

I think we'll also have a dome sampler pack so you can test them out yourself.  Maybe 5 of BKE-light and BKE-heavy
OMG, that's amazing! I was just lamenting how it's impossible to make a variable bke board, and you're making it possible. I'm thrilled!

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Vadurr on Mon, 02 October 2017, 23:27:42
I'm curious to see how BKE-Heavy w/ hyperspheres feels vs 55g w hyperspheres.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: drevyek on Mon, 02 October 2017, 23:34:54
Love the consistency in the reviewers on weighting ;)

Super excited to grab some. Is this going to be a GB in any way, or it is it more like a storefront (hence the sampler packs)?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Burt Macklin on Tue, 03 October 2017, 08:33:27
Review units have been sent out to people.

So far - people are really happy with them.

BKE:w

Reviewer 1:
- A Little Heavy but SUPER tactile

Reviewer 2:
- More tactile than BKE but the bump is slightly lower
- Overall: love them.

Reviewer 3:
- Very snappy
- Not heavy

ooOOOooOO  :eek:

Heavy AND super tactile ..
bring it on !
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Wolf123rt on Tue, 03 October 2017, 12:07:13
So we can start buying them in november and they'll also ship in november?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:02:51
Ok, so the 55g domes are going to be called jcups, I believe we've established.

What are we going to call the BKE domes? I believe Reddit user platabear was heavily involved in the design, so maybe platadomes?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: rm-rf on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:25:18
Ok, so the 55g domes are going to be called jcups, I believe we've established.

What are we going to call the BKE domes? I believe Reddit user platabear was heavily involved in the design, so maybe platadomes?
please do not call them that.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: sth on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:34:00
Ok, so the 55g domes are going to be called jcups, I believe we've established.

What are we going to call the BKE domes? I believe Reddit user platabear was heavily involved in the design, so maybe platadomes?

why not name them after the person who originated the mod?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: sth on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:37:31
VAIOmes
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: rm-rf on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:40:37

VAIOmes

haha


Ok, so the 55g domes are going to be called jcups, I believe we've established.

What are we going to call the BKE domes? I believe Reddit user platabear was heavily involved in the design, so maybe platadomes?

why not name them after the person who originated the mod?

i'm not sure thats a good idea.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Wed, 04 October 2017, 21:54:14
This may seem like a weird question, but has anyone ever tried doing a domeswap on a novatouch with bke domes or is that impossible. I got one in recently and was wondering if there way any tinkering I could do other than buying a norbauer case for it.
Title: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 04 October 2017, 22:41:47
This may seem like a weird question, but has anyone ever tried doing a domeswap on a novatouch with bke domes or is that impossible. I got one in recently and was wondering if there way any tinkering I could do other than buying a norbauer case for it.
I donít know if anyoneís done it but it surely should be compatible. The Novatouch has genuine Topre domes and PCBs so Iím pretty sure itíll work.

Edit: To answer the second part of your question, any mod that works on other Topre boards will work on the Novatouch. i.e. lubing, silencing rings, etc. Though obviously you wonít need to do a MX slider swap.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: kmba on Thu, 05 October 2017, 06:34:42
This may seem like a weird question, but has anyone ever tried doing a domeswap on a novatouch with bke domes or is that impossible. I got one in recently and was wondering if there way any tinkering I could do other than buying a norbauer case for it.

best mod for any topre board is silencing, hopefully using silenced sliders, not rings.. although kbdfans rings are very thin.  Cheapest is lube. 
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: clappingcactus on Thu, 05 October 2017, 08:18:49
This may seem like a weird question, but has anyone ever tried doing a domeswap on a novatouch with bke domes or is that impossible. I got one in recently and was wondering if there way any tinkering I could do other than buying a norbauer case for it.

Totally already done before, by both me and by Gajible (https://imgur.com/gallery/XXxZl).

The best tinkering for it is definitely adding a Norbauer case. It makes the typing extremely stable and satisfying (Norbauer cases are no longer being sold as part of group buys, but without fail there's one on sale every month or so on r/mechmarket). The Novatouch is also pretty loud. If you'll open it up to swap domes, absolutely buy some kbdfans silence-x rings and do it all at the same time!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 05 October 2017, 08:43:10
I have a Novatouch, added hypersphere rings and lube to it just like you would with any other topre board. Waiting on my Norbauer case. The domes are of similar design as any of the other topre boards, so there should be no issues doing a dome swap to improve the feel. I'm actually looking forward to this project because of my novatouch more so than my FC660C, since I love the sound and feel of that board so much already. The novatouch needs a little "something" though, and I think the dome swap will do wonders for it.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: robotsokk on Thu, 05 October 2017, 09:06:45
I have a Novatouch, added hypersphere rings and lube to it just like you would with any other topre board. Waiting on my Norbauer case. The domes are of similar design as any of the other topre boards, so there should be no issues doing a dome swap to improve the feel. I'm actually looking forward to this project because of my novatouch more so than my FC660C, since I love the sound and feel of that board so much already. The novatouch needs a little "something" though, and I think the dome swap will do wonders for it.

I'm in a similar boat. I added Hypersphere rings to my NT almost two years ago, and it totally transformed the board into one I never plan on selling/trading away. If I had one complaint, it's that I wish it were a tad heavier feel when typing on it. Enter these lovely replacement domes :) I'm planning on timing the swapping to my first Norbauer case so that I can do a dome swap at the same time (might as well do a light lube job while I'm at it). Quite stoked :D
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 05 October 2017, 10:31:27
I have a Novatouch, added hypersphere rings and lube to it just like you would with any other topre board. Waiting on my Norbauer case. The domes are of similar design as any of the other topre boards, so there should be no issues doing a dome swap to improve the feel. I'm actually looking forward to this project because of my novatouch more so than my FC660C, since I love the sound and feel of that board so much already. The novatouch needs a little "something" though, and I think the dome swap will do wonders for it.

I'm in a similar boat. I added Hypersphere rings to my NT almost two years ago, and it totally transformed the board into one I never plan on selling/trading away. If I had one complaint, it's that I wish it were a tad heavier feel when typing on it. Enter these lovely replacement domes :) I'm planning on timing the swapping to my first Norbauer case so that I can do a dome swap at the same time (might as well do a light lube job while I'm at it). Quite stoked :D

Same here, but I don't think I'll be able to wait for the domes and case to both be ready, I'm going to do the mods as soon as I get them :P

Lubing the sliders helped quite a bit, I highly recommend doing so! Much more smooth, and a tad bit quieter.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 17:41:25
Big Update:

The Light versions came in and they are 100% satisfactory for me.

I've made a payment for everything and the domes arrive for retail before 11/11 (make a wish).

Pricing

Topre Domes Samples (5 light, 5 heavy)- $10
Topre Domes Light - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Light - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Light - 110 units - $66
Topre Domes Heavy - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Heavy - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Heavy - 110 units - $66

My Personal Review

BKE Light (Will be Light Grey)
- Nice Tactile Bump.
- Closer to OEM BKE
- Around 50G (without spring)

I really like this one. This is the one I'm going to role with (except the spacebar), because of how light I need the switch to be.

BKE Heavy (Will be Black)
- Bigger Tactile Bump, very sharp tactile
- Around 60G (without spring)
- This is probably the most tactile dome you'll ever try, ever.

I like this one for the spacebar, but the dome is a little too heavy for me for regular keys. It will definitely bring fatigue for me. For reference, I use 67g springs normally (linear or tactile). Needs to be silenced. It's loud as heck.

I recommend the light version if you're looking for a good conversion, but if you're looking for a crazy tactile experience, go with the heavies. There is a sample pack that will be available as well so you can try it out.

NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: drevyek on Tue, 17 October 2017, 17:51:57
Awesome!
What is availability like? The tester is only a good idea if there are still domes left to buy after you test them, and I have a feeling these will go quickly.

And the springs add 5-10g? Making the heavies close to 70g, and lights 60g?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Evilocity on Tue, 17 October 2017, 17:52:44
Big Update:

The Light versions came in and they are 100% satisfactory for me.

I've made a payment for everything and the domes arrive for retail before 11/11 (make a wish).

Pricing

Topre Domes Samples (5 light, 5 heavy)- $10
Topre Domes Light - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Light - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Light - 110 units - $66
Topre Domes Heavy - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Heavy - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Heavy - 110 units - $66

My Personal Review

BKE Light (Will be Light Grey)
- Nice Tactile Bump.
- Closer to OEM BKE
- Around 50G (without spring)

I really like this one. This is the one I'm going to role with (except the spacebar), because of how light I need the switch to be.

BKE Heavy (Will be Black)
- Bigger Tactile Bump, very sharp tactile
- Around 60G (without spring)
- This is probably the most tactile dome you'll ever try, ever.

I like this one for the spacebar, but the dome is a little too heavy for me for regular keys. It will definitely bring fatigue for me. For reference, I use 67g springs normally (linear or tactile). Needs to be silenced. It's loud as heck.

I recommend the light version if you're looking for a good conversion, but if you're looking for a crazy tactile experience, go with the heavies. There is a sample pack that will be available as well so you can try it out.

NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.
Wow good prices! ****ing hype!!!

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 17:59:29
Awesome!
What is availability like? The tester is only a good idea if there are still domes left to buy after you test them, and I have a feeling these will go quickly.

And the springs add 5-10g? Making the heavies close to 70g, and lights 60g?

Springs add 5g.  You don't need to worry about not being able to get any.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: xondat on Tue, 17 October 2017, 18:01:12
Kind of interested, but when would they be shipped considering everything?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 18:03:40
Kind of interested, but when would they be shipped considering everything?

We're clearing everything up soon.

We have other things coming in, but the bigger projects (m65a, 1965) are left up to me, where the store (retail like this, and stock we have on hand) is handled by my employee.

Cheers, thanks Xondat. GL on your gb btw.

edit for Clarity: Retail is immediately available and ships in 1-3 business days after purchase. This includes domes, and other sets we have on hand.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: xondat on Tue, 17 October 2017, 18:05:05
Kind of interested, but when would they be shipped considering everything?

We're clearing everything up soon.

We have other things coming in, but the bigger projects (m65a, 1965) are left up to me, where the store (retail like this, and stock we have on hand) is handled by my employee.

Cheers, thanks Xondat. GL on your gb btw.

edit for Clarity: Retail is immediately available and ships in 1-3 business days after purchase. This includes domes, and other sets we have on hand.

Okay thanks for clarifying.

Thanks, and GL too.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Tue, 17 October 2017, 19:14:22
Dang nice that this is all coming along so well. Would there be an option for me to buy a set of 70 lights and 5 heavys? Would like to try the heavy on the spacebar like you were saying and possibly on some other mods.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 19:25:32
(https://i.imgur.com/G0HjuoR.png)



Have you tried either dome in an HHKB?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 19:26:36
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/G0HjuoR.png)




Have you tried either dome in an HHKB?

I only use a HHKB :))
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 19:27:02
Dang nice that this is all coming along so well. Would there be an option for me to buy a set of 70 lights and 5 heavys? Would like to try the heavy on the spacebar like you were saying and possibly on some other mods.

I think you'll have to grab the sample + 70 pack.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 19:34:34
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/G0HjuoR.png)




Have you tried either dome in an HHKB?

I only use a HHKB :))

Ah, ok.  How would you say the BKE HHKB feels compared to the metal plate topre boards? 
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Wolf123rt on Tue, 17 October 2017, 20:01:49
What do the BKE domes feel like? I was told by someone that they just feel like stiff topre domes, and that his old topre board feels similar.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Tue, 17 October 2017, 20:14:57
Is there anywhere that sells replacement topre springs? With the upcoming dome swap I want to have a few spare on hand
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 20:41:30
What do the BKE domes feel like? I was told by someone that they just feel like stiff topre domes, and that his old topre board feels similar.

It's hard to describe, but it's just a huge bump that is so satisfying to hear and feel.

I would characterize that they are "stiffer", but that's a quality that makes them so tactile as well.

People who own older topre boards do say that the the domes do feel stiffer. This is something that people reported about older HHKB boards, compared to newer production models of the HHKB. But BKE is just different.

It's ineffable really.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/G0HjuoR.png)


Have you tried either dome in an HHKB?

I only use a HHKB :))

Ah, ok.  How would you say the BKE HHKB feels compared to the metal plate topre boards? 

I'll have to ask around, as my realforce is kinda rektd.

Is there anywhere that sells replacement topre springs? With the upcoming dome swap I want to have a few spare on hand


Unfortunately, nope :(.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: BAS1C on Wed, 18 October 2017, 00:20:15
Big Update:

The Light versions came in and they are 100% satisfactory for me.

I've made a payment for everything and the domes arrive for retail before 11/11 (make a wish).

Pricing

Topre Domes Samples (5 light, 5 heavy)- $10
Topre Domes Light - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Light - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Light - 110 units - $66
Topre Domes Heavy - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Heavy - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Heavy - 110 units - $66

My Personal Review

BKE Light (Will be Light Grey)
- Nice Tactile Bump.
- Closer to OEM BKE
- Around 50G (without spring)

I really like this one. This is the one I'm going to role with (except the spacebar), because of how light I need the switch to be.

BKE Heavy (Will be Black)
- Bigger Tactile Bump, very sharp tactile
- Around 60G (without spring)
- This is probably the most tactile dome you'll ever try, ever.

I like this one for the spacebar, but the dome is a little too heavy for me for regular keys. It will definitely bring fatigue for me. For reference, I use 67g springs normally (linear or tactile). Needs to be silenced. It's loud as heck.

I recommend the light version if you're looking for a good conversion, but if you're looking for a crazy tactile experience, go with the heavies. There is a sample pack that will be available as well so you can try it out.

NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.

What an update! Really pumped on this. Thanks for keeping the fire burning on this one over the summer. Looking forward to these and the store stock.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: elcubismo on Wed, 18 October 2017, 10:47:49
This is awesome! Not that I mind, but just to be clear, are you scrapping the idea of heavier "regular" domes and going with just the BKE variant?

Either way, I'm definitely going to get a set for my Norbatouch. Torn as to whether I should go with all light (which will still be a little heavier than stock), light alphas and heavy mods, all heavy, or all light with just a single heavy for the spacebar like jchan is going to do. And maybe I need to get some for my FC660C...
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Trente on Wed, 18 October 2017, 14:47:52
Big Update:

The Light versions came in and they are 100% satisfactory for me.

I've made a payment for everything and the domes arrive for retail before 11/11 (make a wish).

Pricing

Topre Domes Samples (5 light, 5 heavy)- $10
Topre Domes Light - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Light - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Light - 110 units - $66
Topre Domes Heavy - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Heavy - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Heavy - 110 units - $66

My Personal Review

BKE Light (Will be Light Grey)
- Nice Tactile Bump.
- Closer to OEM BKE
- Around 50G (without spring)

I really like this one. This is the one I'm going to role with (except the spacebar), because of how light I need the switch to be.

BKE Heavy (Will be Black)
- Bigger Tactile Bump, very sharp tactile
- Around 60G (without spring)
- This is probably the most tactile dome you'll ever try, ever.

I like this one for the spacebar, but the dome is a little too heavy for me for regular keys. It will definitely bring fatigue for me. For reference, I use 67g springs normally (linear or tactile). Needs to be silenced. It's loud as heck.

I recommend the light version if you're looking for a good conversion, but if you're looking for a crazy tactile experience, go with the heavies. There is a sample pack that will be available as well so you can try it out.

NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.

Great Price! Hope be able to get my hands on them soon!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 18 October 2017, 19:42:46
This is awesome! Not that I mind, but just to be clear, are you scrapping the idea of heavier "regular" domes and going with just the BKE variant?

Either way, I'm definitely going to get a set for my Norbatouch. Torn as to whether I should go with all light (which will still be a little heavier than stock), light alphas and heavy mods, all heavy, or all light with just a single heavy for the spacebar like jchan is going to do. And maybe I need to get some for my FC660C...

the 55g project is particularly interesting. We're still refining the shape, and the stiffness, but we just can't seem to get the feel correct.

We're still working on it, and we're on our 7th or so engineering sample. Hope it goes somewhere, but it's currently in a limbo state until we get it correct.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: boxfrommoon on Thu, 19 October 2017, 02:40:13
I have a Novatouch, added hypersphere rings and lube to it just like you would with any other topre board. Waiting on my Norbauer case. The domes are of similar design as any of the other topre boards, so there should be no issues doing a dome swap to improve the feel. I'm actually looking forward to this project because of my novatouch more so than my FC660C, since I love the sound and feel of that board so much already. The novatouch needs a little "something" though, and I think the dome swap will do wonders for it.

I'm in a similar boat. I added Hypersphere rings to my NT almost two years ago, and it totally transformed the board into one I never plan on selling/trading away. If I had one complaint, it's that I wish it were a tad heavier feel when typing on it. Enter these lovely replacement domes :) I'm planning on timing the swapping to my first Norbauer case so that I can do a dome swap at the same time (might as well do a light lube job while I'm at it). Quite stoked :D

I have an exact same situation with my NovaTouch. It is Hypersphere'd, Norbauer case coming later this year and not yet lubed. I also have a HHKB and I have to say that because of the tactility the HHKB just feels much better than NovaTouch. NT switches feel almost like linear compared to HHKB. Could these domes be answer to make NT feel more like HHKB?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 19 October 2017, 02:47:13
I have a Novatouch, added hypersphere rings and lube to it just like you would with any other topre board. Waiting on my Norbauer case. The domes are of similar design as any of the other topre boards, so there should be no issues doing a dome swap to improve the feel. I'm actually looking forward to this project because of my novatouch more so than my FC660C, since I love the sound and feel of that board so much already. The novatouch needs a little "something" though, and I think the dome swap will do wonders for it.

I'm in a similar boat. I added Hypersphere rings to my NT almost two years ago, and it totally transformed the board into one I never plan on selling/trading away. If I had one complaint, it's that I wish it were a tad heavier feel when typing on it. Enter these lovely replacement domes :) I'm planning on timing the swapping to my first Norbauer case so that I can do a dome swap at the same time (might as well do a light lube job while I'm at it). Quite stoked :D

I have an exact same situation with my NovaTouch. It is Hypersphere'd, Norbauer case coming later this year and not yet lubed. I also have a HHKB and I have to say that because of the tactility the HHKB just feels much better than NovaTouch. NT switches feel almost like linear compared to HHKB. Could these domes be answer to make NT feel more like HHKB?

The Novatouch, oh mean - talk about discontinued. It feels like forever ago since I saw that board lol.

In any case, I hope so. Definitely try out the sample pack if you're looking to try it out, but I'd definitely say it's a likely solution to your linear feels issue.

The tactility on these are bananas :p
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: boxfrommoon on Thu, 19 October 2017, 03:02:58
The Novatouch, oh mean - talk about discontinued. It feels like forever ago since I saw that board lol.

In any case, I hope so. Definitely try out the sample pack if you're looking to try it out, but I'd definitely say it's a likely solution to your linear feels issue.

The tactility on these are bananas :p
Awesome! As being from EU I think I will just go straight for the lighter version set. It can get little expensive just to try out samples.
Can't wait get my hands on these!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Gajible on Thu, 19 October 2017, 04:18:45
The Novatouch, oh mean - talk about discontinued. It feels like forever ago since I saw that board lol.

In any case, I hope so. Definitely try out the sample pack if you're looking to try it out, but I'd definitely say it's a likely solution to your linear feels issue.

The tactility on these are bananas :p
Awesome! As being from EU I think I will just go straight for the lighter version set. It can get little expensive just to try out samples.
Can't wait get my hands on these!

Having used the OG BKE domes in a Novatouch, I can tell you they won't make it feel like an HHKB. They'll be a heck of a lot more tactile, and it'll feel amazing.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: dante on Thu, 19 October 2017, 07:59:33
This is awesome! Not that I mind, but just to be clear, are you scrapping the idea of heavier "regular" domes and going with just the BKE variant?

Either way, I'm definitely going to get a set for my Norbatouch. Torn as to whether I should go with all light (which will still be a little heavier than stock), light alphas and heavy mods, all heavy, or all light with just a single heavy for the spacebar like jchan is going to do. And maybe I need to get some for my FC660C...

the 55g project is particularly interesting. We're still refining the shape, and the stiffness, but we just can't seem to get the feel correct.

We're still working on it, and we're on our 7th or so engineering sample. Hope it goes somewhere, but it's currently in a limbo state until we get it correct.

The part I don't understand is why are you trying to copy the standard 55g domes?  Every review I've seen of the BKE says they are a dramatic improvement over Topre.

Are there people who prefer stock 55g over BKE?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 19 October 2017, 08:08:26
So are we still doing OG Topre replica domes or are we going ahead exclusively with BKE replica domes? I'd like to get some of both types if possible, because variety is the spice of life!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: kmba on Thu, 19 October 2017, 08:22:01
This is awesome! Not that I mind, but just to be clear, are you scrapping the idea of heavier "regular" domes and going with just the BKE variant?

Either way, I'm definitely going to get a set for my Norbatouch. Torn as to whether I should go with all light (which will still be a little heavier than stock), light alphas and heavy mods, all heavy, or all light with just a single heavy for the spacebar like jchan is going to do. And maybe I need to get some for my FC660C...

the 55g project is particularly interesting. We're still refining the shape, and the stiffness, but we just can't seem to get the feel correct.

We're still working on it, and we're on our 7th or so engineering sample. Hope it goes somewhere, but it's currently in a limbo state until we get it correct.

The part I don't understand is why are you trying to copy the standard 55g domes?  Every review I've seen of the BKE says they are a dramatic improvement over Topre.

Are there people who prefer stock 55g over BKE?

I prefer stock 55g over bke. Bke are too tactile and feel weird. It's a super sharp feeling bump then a quick collapsing feeling. Stock domes feel smoother and more drawn out. Much more pleasing.  I can only imagine how insane the reproduction heavy bke domes are gonna be.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Wolf123rt on Thu, 19 October 2017, 22:08:36
This is awesome! Not that I mind, but just to be clear, are you scrapping the idea of heavier "regular" domes and going with just the BKE variant?

Either way, I'm definitely going to get a set for my Norbatouch. Torn as to whether I should go with all light (which will still be a little heavier than stock), light alphas and heavy mods, all heavy, or all light with just a single heavy for the spacebar like jchan is going to do. And maybe I need to get some for my FC660C...

the 55g project is particularly interesting. We're still refining the shape, and the stiffness, but we just can't seem to get the feel correct.

We're still working on it, and we're on our 7th or so engineering sample. Hope it goes somewhere, but it's currently in a limbo state until we get it correct.

The part I don't understand is why are you trying to copy the standard 55g domes?  Every review I've seen of the BKE says they are a dramatic improvement over Topre.

Are there people who prefer stock 55g over BKE?

I prefer stock 55g over bke. Bke are too tactile and feel weird. It's a super sharp feeling bump then a quick collapsing feeling. Stock domes feel smoother and more drawn out. Much more pleasing.  I can only imagine how insane the reproduction heavy bke domes are gonna be.

Now I don't know if I want 55g or BKE heavy
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 20 October 2017, 01:11:11
I really don't want to miss out on this. Is there a recommended way to subscribe for updates? Or to get a notification when I can buy?

Thanks so much for all your hard work on this. Plan on getting a bunch of light and heavy, just in case I like one more than the other.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 20 October 2017, 02:08:13
I really don't want to miss out on this. Is there a recommended way to subscribe for updates? Or to get a notification when I can buy?

Thanks so much for all your hard work on this. Plan on getting a bunch of light and heavy, just in case I like one more than the other.

Thanks so much for this. I really appreciate the kind words mate.

You can sign up for our mailing list - https://goo.gl/LiKLZN

But in any case, you won't have anything to miss because we will have a flowing stock of this.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Fri, 20 October 2017, 02:31:39
Keep up the effort, jchan! I appreciate the work you've put into this.


I have a norbatouch build i've been setting aside until your domes are dunzo. Your domes will be the final touch :)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: typischt on Fri, 20 October 2017, 02:42:32
...

NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.

Can someone elaborate a bit what exactly is annoying about it? And is it only annoying or also kinda hard to do (for a not so experienced user like me..)?

Anyways, really looking forward to this, I think I will try out both versions.


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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 20 October 2017, 02:59:04
...

NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.

Can someone elaborate a bit what exactly is annoying about it? And is it only annoying or also kinda hard to do (for a not so experienced user like me..)?

Anyways, really looking forward to this, I think I will try out both versions.


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they dome we have developed are individual units. So that means, they are each made 1 key.

Typically, the domes are in "sheets", that can be installed or swapped easily.

So this mod is a tad cumbersome honestly. I think I'll have to make a good tutorial on how to do it to save people time.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 20 October 2017, 16:15:52

You can sign up for our mailing list - https://goo.gl/LiKLZN

But in any case, you won't have anything to miss because we will have a flowing stock of this.

Thanks! All signed up. Happy to hear this won't be as limited as I anticipated.

I plan on slapping these on a Seasonic Realforce RGB with JTK MX sliders and a GMK set. I'll report here my experience in switching them out and typing on them.


So this mod is a tad cumbersome honestly. I think I'll have to make a good tutorial on how to do it to save people time.

That would be excellent!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Fri, 20 October 2017, 17:34:10
Is there anywhere that sells replacement topre springs? With the upcoming dome swap I want to have a few spare on hand

I happen to have a **** load of spares, I'm happy to send you some for the price of postage
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Fri, 20 October 2017, 17:36:40
Awesome, thanks. Iíll be in touch
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: elcubismo on Fri, 20 October 2017, 22:20:02
...

NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.

Can someone elaborate a bit what exactly is annoying about it? And is it only annoying or also kinda hard to do (for a not so experienced user like me..)?

Anyways, really looking forward to this, I think I will try out both versions.


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they dome we have developed are individual units. So that means, they are each made 1 key.

Typically, the domes are in "sheets", that can be installed or swapped easily.

So this mod is a tad cumbersome honestly. I think I'll have to make a good tutorial on how to do it to save people time.

It isn't too bad if you suspend the board upside down, place the domes in and then the springs
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Enoch on Sat, 21 October 2017, 14:30:21
Has anyone tried the bke domes with in a Type-S?

How is the volume and feel compared to non Type-S?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 21 October 2017, 21:45:27
Hi everyone,

Just a quick-o update on what is happening.

Our production mold is finished. What does that mean? That means, that the mold that will be making all of the domes is complete, and we're going into production sampling to double check the integrity of the mold and compare them with our pre-production samples.

After we verify that is good to go, we will go into production. Currently, we are on track for everything to arrive before 11/10.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 21 October 2017, 23:56:14
Hi everyone,

Just a quick-o update on what is happening.

Our production mold is finished. What does that mean? That means, that the mold that will be making all of the domes is complete, and we're going into production sampling to double check the integrity of the mold and compare them with our pre-production samples.

After we verify that is good to go, we will go into production. Currently, we are on track for everything to arrive before 11/10.

thanks bud
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: DillonHightower on Sun, 22 October 2017, 01:05:07
****ing yes!!!! This is going to be epic! Been waiting for such things. This will be great for the community as well. Tired of people charging $4 per dome  Jchan94 Keep up the good work! looking forward to this

On a side note, I like heavy switches. Currently using some cherrystotles with 85g springs. Do you think I would like the heavy version of this over the light version? I could not stand how light the novatouch felt and how liner they were . I like a bump and I like a tad bit of pressure. As you can tell from the switches in my main board , I like loud switches as well.. What would you guys recommend?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: kmba on Sun, 22 October 2017, 12:47:35
People charge $4/dome because bke units usually sell for over $200 these days.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 22 October 2017, 16:11:04
****ing yes!!!! This is going to be epic! Been waiting for such things. This will be great for the community as well. Tired of people charging $4 per dome  Jchan94 Keep up the good work! looking forward to this

On a side note, I like heavy switches. Currently using some cherrystotles with 85g springs. Do you think I would like the heavy version of this over the light version? I could not stand how light the novatouch felt and how liner they were . I like a bump and I like a tad bit of pressure. As you can tell from the switches in my main board , I like loud switches as well.. What would you guys recommend?

Definitely try the heavies then. They're unapologetically loud.

People charge $4/dome because bke units usually sell for over $200 these days.

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Atredl on Sun, 22 October 2017, 17:23:13
People charge $4/dome because bke units usually sell for over $200 these days.
Show Image
(https://www.healthstatus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bananas-improve-health.jpg)

I don't know what this is supposed to mean... but I agree.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 23 October 2017, 10:12:16
I may have missed it, but what are the actual measurements of 'heavy' and 'light'?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: clickstops on Mon, 23 October 2017, 13:34:49
He says, a few posts above, 50g and 60g respectively, without springs. So, 55g and 65g.

Separately -- I'm really curious to try these. 65g "BKE" vs alps orange is going to be really interesting since they sound quite similar.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: drevyek on Mon, 23 October 2017, 13:51:28
Orange Alps peak at 60g, and I feel they're a bit closer to 55g usually than 65g. It'll certainly be interesting, especially with the sharper tactility.

I love my FC980, but the 45g is really light. Coming from Orange Alps (with 50g springs), I'm really looking forward to these.

https://plot.ly/~haata/297
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 24 October 2017, 09:09:35
Orange Alps peak at 60g, and I feel they're a bit closer to 55g usually than 65g. It'll certainly be interesting, especially with the sharper tactility.

I love my FC980, but the 45g is really light. Coming from Orange Alps (with 50g springs), I'm really looking forward to these.

https://plot.ly/~haata/297

See I'm really at a cross road here. I have my rf87u domes in my HHKB and I love it. So I'm debating between something new and something safe. Would samples be an option before we buy 100+ sets?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: kmba on Tue, 24 October 2017, 10:42:20
Topre Domes Samples (5 light, 5 heavy)- $10
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 24 October 2017, 14:30:57
Orange Alps peak at 60g, and I feel they're a bit closer to 55g usually than 65g. It'll certainly be interesting, especially with the sharper tactility.

I love my FC980, but the 45g is really light. Coming from Orange Alps (with 50g springs), I'm really looking forward to these.

https://plot.ly/~haata/297

Definitely try the sample pack to help make a better purchasing decision mate.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 27 October 2017, 17:02:01
Jchan, are you able to give feedback on how these domes feel compared to the oeiginal, manufacturer BKE domes?

Sorry if that was already asked and answered.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: rm-rf on Fri, 27 October 2017, 17:45:09
Jchan, are you able to give feedback on how these domes feel compared to the oeiginal, manufacturer BKE domes?

Sorry if that was already asked and answered.

they feel very good compared to the carbon foot bke.
i like them a lot. i would say they are almost the same but with the bonus of different weights.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jebbra on Sat, 28 October 2017, 07:30:32
Is it only me that needs a lighter version from current HHKB? Damn my weak fingers :p
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: norbauer on Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:40:59
Just saw this thread for the first time and am delighted to learn of its existence. I'm a dainty-fingered 30g-dome lightweight, and currently I have to resort to buying JIS boards and stealing the domes. I'd love to see that process get easier (and less expensive) by being able to obtain just domes.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:54:13
You know, I was already excited for this project but it's great to hear that it's actually going to be a flowing stock product rather than a group buy, since with the latter I would have to mull over whether if I'd want to mass-order enough to potentially outfit all my boards or just one or two. 
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 29 October 2017, 16:15:26
Just saw this thread for the first time and am delighted to learn of its existence. I'm a dainty-fingered 30g-dome lightweight, and currently I have to resort to buying JIS boards and stealing the domes. I'd love to see that process get easier (and less expensive) by being able to obtain just domes.

Norbauer if all you want is really lightweight domes you can already get 35g replica domes from ebay (the same 35g domes that comes on the Plum/Royal Kludge Topre domes
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: RealLaugh on Mon, 30 October 2017, 02:23:31
Just saw this thread for the first time and am delighted to learn of its existence. I'm a dainty-fingered 30g-dome lightweight, and currently I have to resort to buying JIS boards and stealing the domes. I'd love to see that process get easier (and less expensive) by being able to obtain just domes.

Norbauer if all you want is really lightweight domes you can already get 35g replica domes from ebay (the same 35g domes that comes on the Plum/Royal Kludge Topre domes


As someone who's thrown money at that idea, I can't recommend getting the eBay 35g dome sheets - like the listing says, they're for the plum and other replicas and even if they do fit they're not a replacement for OG domes in terms of quality IMHO. I never mounted my sheet but some others already went through the pain https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84951.0
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: norbauer on Mon, 30 October 2017, 15:53:04
Just saw this thread for the first time and am delighted to learn of its existence. I'm a dainty-fingered 30g-dome lightweight, and currently I have to resort to buying JIS boards and stealing the domes. I'd love to see that process get easier (and less expensive) by being able to obtain just domes.

Norbauer if all you want is really lightweight domes you can already get 35g replica domes from ebay (the same 35g domes that comes on the Plum/Royal Kludge Topre domes


As someone who's thrown money at that idea, I can't recommend getting the eBay 35g dome sheets - like the listing says, they're for the plum and other replicas and even if they do fit they're not a replacement for OG domes in terms of quality IMHO. I never mounted my sheet but some others already went through the pain https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84951.0

Yes, Iíve heard several similar reports, which is why I havenít tried those.


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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Mon, 30 October 2017, 22:54:46
Glad to see that this year long project is finally feeling some excitement because there's an end close by :).

But it doesn't end here. We're still working on the 55g domes, and I hope to get some results soon. Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 02 November 2017, 00:15:05
All the domes have finished manufacturing, and are currently being sorted.

We have over 200lbs worth of rubber domes coming in soon.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Thu, 02 November 2017, 00:18:39
Nice! I'm super excited for these to be ready for ordering!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: robbles on Thu, 02 November 2017, 11:26:43
All the domes have finished manufacturing, and are currently being sorted.

We have over 200lbs worth of rubber domes coming in soon.

Can't wait! This is a landmark project for the Topre sub-community. Excited to see what the future holds.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 02 November 2017, 15:35:16
This ships out on Monday to us.

We'll have them (ETA) end of next week.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Evilocity on Thu, 02 November 2017, 15:36:54
This ships out on Monday to us.

We'll have them (ETA) end of next week.
Awesome!!! I am so stoked.

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: _rubik on Thu, 02 November 2017, 17:49:52
GMK laser AND dome replacements.. rip wallet :/
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Koatl on Thu, 02 November 2017, 20:16:02
This is amazing. I'm so excited! Ready to buy a whole bunch of these bad boys!

Gotta start researching the best silencing options for Topre.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Konjungamo on Thu, 02 November 2017, 20:21:56
I've got some Silence-X rings coming from KBDfans, those are supposed to be just as good as the infamous Hyperspheres, there's a few comparison posts out there.

Super hyped for the domes!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: nmur on Thu, 02 November 2017, 20:23:13
I've got some Silence-X rings coming from KBDfans, those are supposed to be just as good as the infamous Hyperspheres, there's a few comparison posts out there.

Super hyped for the domes!

i've recently installed silence-x rings, and yeah they feel pretty identical

thankful someone has eventually provided a viable alternative
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Koatl on Thu, 02 November 2017, 20:27:41
Good to know! Thank you! Gonna look into that. Looking into the RO-59 lube too. Apparently it's a pretty rare and amazing lube, but which the GB is making available.
Title: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 02 November 2017, 20:51:51
I've got some Silence-X rings coming from KBDfans, those are supposed to be just as good as the infamous Hyperspheres, there's a few comparison posts out there.

Super hyped for the domes!

i've recently installed silence-x rings, and yeah they feel pretty identical

thankful someone has eventually provided a viable alternative
I did some A-B testing not too long ago and I found that there was a difference both in tactility and noise. In terms of tactility Silence-X rings are really close to stock Topre but Hyperspheres lose a noticeable amount. Hyperspheres do silence a tiny bit more though, or at least they change the pitch to a different note compared to Silence-X.

Hereís a link in case you want to read through.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/719pts/hypersphere_vs_silencex_sound_test_tactility/?st=J9J8R8M0&sh=6aa6cd2a
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: kmba on Thu, 02 November 2017, 21:14:15
Ro-59 is rare but it's not amazing.  Krytox is a significantly better lubricant when it comes to friction reduction, it's just certain mixes will not stay put long enough to maintain efficiency. For topre boards though, it's very easy to reapply.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: sth on Thu, 02 November 2017, 21:42:51
Sorry I'm Dumb

will these be stocked/for sale on keyclack?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Evilocity on Thu, 02 November 2017, 21:44:24
Sorry I'm Dumb

will these be stocked/for sale on keyclack?
Yup in about 2 weeks. It's not a GB, it'll be sold continuously on keyclack.

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Koatl on Thu, 02 November 2017, 21:49:16
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/719pts/hypersphere_vs_silencex_sound_test_tactility/?st=J9J8R8M0&sh=6aa6cd2a

Thanks. Based on this, I'm glad I picked up some Silence-X rings.

Ro-59 is rare but it's not amazing.  Krytox is a significantly better lubricant when it comes to friction reduction, it's just certain mixes will not stay put long enough to maintain efficiency. For topre boards though, it's very easy to reapply.

Good to know. Thank you. I'm curious what mixes would be best. I'll research that, unless you or someone else can provide some info here. EDIT: Looks like techkeys.us sells it. Cool.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: sth on Thu, 02 November 2017, 21:49:55
Sorry I'm Dumb

will these be stocked/for sale on keyclack?
Yup in about 2 weeks. It's not a GB, it'll be sold continuously on keyclack.

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thanks - i thought so but wasn't sure. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 03 November 2017, 04:42:40
Had time for a tutorial, so I just uploaded that and wrote in all the notes for it.

It can be found here - https://imgur.com/a/Wmg0B

(https://i.imgur.com/KjkCGWN.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 03 November 2017, 08:38:31
Thank you so much!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Burt Macklin on Fri, 03 November 2017, 09:47:16
Good guide  :thumb:

As someone who has done this numerous times - that last step is very important, so pay attention and be thorough.
It's all too easy to rush putting everything back together, only to find out in the end you didn't really check each dome,
and 2-3 are misaligned and behave weirdly when pressed, and you then have to do it all over again.
Super annoying.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: superpiya on Fri, 03 November 2017, 11:14:47
Can't wait for the sale. I have the BKE domes from two PVE-500 installed on my pro2, and I'm really curious about the 'heavy' variant.

This is amazing. I'm so excited! Ready to buy a whole bunch of these bad boys!

Gotta start researching the best silencing options for Topre.

If you hate loud clacks, I recommend hyperspheres. BKE domes will make your board twice as loud, even when already silenced.

Good to know! Thank you! Gonna look into that. Looking into the RO-59 lube too. Apparently it's a pretty rare and amazing lube, but which the GB is making available.

You'd want krytox lube for its buttery smoothness.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 03 November 2017, 12:16:13
Thick or thin lube? ^__^
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Fri, 03 November 2017, 12:30:06
Can't wait for the sale. I have the BKE domes from two PVE-500 installed on my pro2, and I'm really curious about the 'heavy' variant.

This is amazing. I'm so excited! Ready to buy a whole bunch of these bad boys!

Gotta start researching the best silencing options for Topre.

If you hate loud clacks, I recommend hyperspheres. BKE domes will make your board twice as loud, even when already silenced.



I'd recommend KBDFans' silencing rings. They are thinner and much less expensive than hyperspheres. You get a noticeable increase in travel over hyperspheres, even with the little difference in thickness.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: regionfree on Fri, 03 November 2017, 12:54:19
would be great if you could post a before and after sound test :D
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: robbles on Fri, 03 November 2017, 12:57:47
would be great if you could post a before and after sound test :D

Check out Atredl's reddit post that he linked to above.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Atredl on Fri, 03 November 2017, 13:30:48
would be great if you could post a before and after sound test :D

Check out Atredl's reddit post that he linked to above.
My post doesnít review BKE redux domes though. Maybe I have to do an update 🤔
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 04 November 2017, 01:16:18
I think we'll have these available next Friday for purchase. We'll also have Topre mats & pins available as well!

I'm also throwing in some bonuses to celebrate.

- First 25 people to purchase, receive a Topre enamel pin
- First 10 people to purchase, receive a 12.6 x 10.6 Topre Mat.

(https://i.gyazo.com/b6a51d37be3c61b8c9cac73260d7c81d.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/2Fqmyag.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OBUc4eM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Xdh1UZL.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Konjungamo on Sat, 04 November 2017, 07:40:48
Awesome, can't wait!

Any shipping cost estimates for orders from Europe?
I just did a demo order for the Oblivion Spacebar Kit and got an estimate of 40$ but I'm guessing the domes won't be nearly as bulky allowing for shipping them in a padded envelope or the like.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 04 November 2017, 13:53:00
If I buy these on Friday will it make my Realforce board arrive from Massdrop faster?  :p

Looking forward to stock on keyclack  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 04 November 2017, 15:21:52
The domes can be packed in a envelope so it'll be very cheap for shipping.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: _rubik on Sun, 05 November 2017, 12:06:23
Will these be thrown into the classifieds? Or will it be on another site?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: sodiumjoe on Sun, 05 November 2017, 12:45:03
what time on Friday will these go live?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Atredl on Sun, 05 November 2017, 13:32:13
Will these be thrown into the classifieds? Or will it be on another site?
Pretty sure these will be sold through his store keyclack.com
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Evilocity on Mon, 06 November 2017, 17:44:22
what time on Friday will these go live?
5pm pst on Friday!

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: DillonHightower on Thu, 09 November 2017, 19:28:09
Bad ass. Love the update to the store.. Cant wait for it soon enough!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: luminor on Fri, 10 November 2017, 05:12:21
anyone knows what size of screw driver to open realforce? i read somewhere here it was PH1 if i'm not mistaken? i just don't want to break the screws
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Burt Macklin on Fri, 10 November 2017, 05:28:22
The case itself doesn't have any screws, just plastic clips. PCB screws are quite small, but no worries, you won't break anything - just don't realforce it  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 10 November 2017, 08:16:45
The domes can be packed in a envelope so it'll be very cheap for shipping.

Man, I sure hope so. Last time I was planning to buy the GMK Burgundy only to stop dead because a $90 shipping fee (I'm in Asia) on top of a $180 keycap set was just, let's say over the line shall we? 🙂
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: mbsurfer on Fri, 10 November 2017, 12:53:02
Ready for these! Looking forward to the inventory to go live
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Evilocity on Fri, 10 November 2017, 12:57:14
What's the shipping cost for 110 to Canada?

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: _rubik on Fri, 10 November 2017, 13:19:57
Will this be stocked for a limited amount of time? Or is this a stocked item for the foreseeable future?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: eksuen on Fri, 10 November 2017, 13:34:31
Will this be stocked for a limited amount of time? Or is this a stocked item for the foreseeable future?

From the email sent out:
Quote
...and we will have a continuous stock of them available.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: _rubik on Fri, 10 November 2017, 13:40:04
Thats really great to hear. With all these amazing group buys firing off, my wallet really needs a break.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: apolotary on Fri, 10 November 2017, 17:32:49
Any reviews I can read on these domes?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:02:19
Bam! Ordered a GRIP of these bastards! Thanks jchan!

Oh ****, it's DillonHightower below me! I bought stuff from you recently! Congrats bro! I hope you're within the first 10!

-Kozahtli on Reddit
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: DillonHightower on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:02:22
Got my order in!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: lunr on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:03:00
Why am I paying $30 for international shipping? There goes my order...
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: robbles on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:03:19
Ordered! Hopefully I was one of the first 10. I'll give my thoughts when I receive them.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Burt Macklin on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:03:47
The domes can be packed in a envelope so it'll be very cheap for shipping.


Yeah, $61.65 shipping for EU (Croatia) is quite cheap  :(
Wtf.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: luminor on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:03:52
bit expensive on the shipping to Australia $37.33 for 110 domes & sample pack
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: nmur on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:04:00
The domes can be packed in a envelope so it'll be very cheap for shipping.

almost put my order in but was getting $37 quotes for shipping to Aus for 70-110 packs  :eek:

does that sound right? or does that quote only go for US orders
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: dangboy on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:04:11
my hhkb bout to be heavy af
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: apolotary on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:05:36
I was so excited to get i to first 10, but $33 for shipping is ridiculous :(
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Murrellz on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:06:28
Put my order in as I waited up all night for these things... $33 to the UK. C'mon, I sure hope I get a partial refund, feel robbed on these things.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: DillonHightower on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:06:52
us had 9.57 shipping ..  maybe I ought to buy a ton and sell you guys some for cheaper shipping
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: DillonHightower on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:07:32
Put my order in as I waited up all night for these things... $33 to the UK. C'mon, I sure hope I get a partial refund, feel robbed on these things.

Still better than 2.50 per dome on the market.. Dont feel to robbed
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Konjungamo on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:08:48
Same thing here, pretty ridiculous shipping rates ($33) to Germany, despite my love for BKE I really can't affort those :(
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: boxfrommoon on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:09:52
I was so excited to get i to first 10, but $33 for shipping is ridiculous :(

Same here. But it was $40.28 for me to Finland. Unfortunately not going to order the domes for that shipping cost
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: drevyek on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:16:04
Just went to order- shipping to Calgary is over $30USD for the 110 pack? That can't be right...

Paying 50% of the subtotal on shipping isn't what I had hoped for. How much more is USPS?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Evilocity on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:21:52
$30 shipping to Canada?!?!

F that. You can ship full keysets for a lot less.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: drevyek on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:29:27
$30 shipping to Canada?!?!

F that. You can ship full keysets for a lot less.
Yeah, didn't jchan say it'd be cheap shipping? That'd like eBay bad.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Evilocity on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:30:44
$30 shipping to Canada?!?!

F that. You can ship full keysets for a lot less.
Yeah, didn't jchan say it'd be cheap shipping? That'd like eBay bad.

Yep I remember him saying that somewhere.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:36:55
It's possible that the auto calculator for shipping is wrong so I'd wait for jchan's comment :'(
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: b9nign on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:51:47
Bummer. Remember that one of the GB's on there also had ridiculous shipping... months ago.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: drevyek on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:56:28
It's possible that the auto calculator for shipping is wrong so I'd wait for jchan's comment :'(
100% this. I missed the window on the pins, so I don't mind waiting a few days, if that, to hear back.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: robotsokk on Fri, 10 November 2017, 23:00:16
Hm, originally I considered using light domes for alphas + arrow keys, and heavy domes for F-keys and the 'Insert'/'Print Screen' blocks. But now that the moment as arrived, I'm concerned that the 15g difference between the two will be a bit much.

I'm curious, for those of you that have placed your orders, what did you decide on?

I could try a sample pack, but I have my doubts that pressing on the domes directly will be representative of what it would be like to type on in practice (that is, unless I open up my NT and cut the existing sheet, close the case back up, etc...).
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: elcubismo on Fri, 10 November 2017, 23:12:28
I ordered the 70 light domes for alphas, numbers, and function keys, and 25 heavies for mods, spacebar, arrow keys, and the home/insert/delete section.

I thought the lights were going to be in the 50g range, but should still be nice and I was worried 65 everywhere would be too heavy.

My novatouch will soon be complete!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: arninja21 on Fri, 10 November 2017, 23:22:47
This hhkb is about to get heavy, iv'e just settled all my law suits fk u debbie....
- topreminem

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 10 November 2017, 23:23:46
Hm, originally I considered using light domes for alphas + arrow keys, and heavy domes for F-keys and the 'Insert'/'Print Screen' blocks. But now that the moment as arrived, I'm concerned that the 15g difference between the two will be a bit much.

I'm curious, for those of you that have placed your orders, what did you decide on?

I could try a sample pack, but I have my doubts that pressing on the domes directly will be representative of what it would be like to type on in practice (that is, unless I open up my NT and cut the existing sheet, close the case back up, etc...).

The stock 55g on my Realforce is a tad too heavy for me, so I ordered  a 70-pack.
The plan is to replace all the alphas and arrows' domes, while leaving the nav cluster + the F row + the spacebar untouched.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Lansky on Sat, 11 November 2017, 06:48:28
$40 shipping... I'll sit this one out. :'(
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: ewwgin on Sat, 11 November 2017, 06:52:15
$40 shipping... I'll sit this one out. :'(
Check out the bottom of the product page and try emailing support to get a more favourable international shipping rate.


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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Lansky on Sat, 11 November 2017, 07:14:53
Check out the bottom of the product page and try emailing support to get a more favourable international shipping rate.

Thanks for the heads up, I completely missed that. I'll give it a shot.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: ewwgin on Sat, 11 November 2017, 07:18:33
Check out the bottom of the product page and try emailing support to get a more favourable international shipping rate.

Thanks for the heads up, I completely missed that. I'll give it a shot.  :thumb:
No worries! I sent in an email as well. Let's hope for the best.


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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 11 November 2017, 14:44:04
Hi eeveryone,

the shipping quotes are unfortunately accurate for the service that is automated to your location.

The calculation is done live, and is not "prequoted" for destinations. You can see it change as you actively change the zip code or state or country.

We're making the following changes at this stage
- If you're international, we can process you manually
- Email support@keyclack.com with your address + desired thing
- You'll get usps first class international
- If you're in a USA Territory (i.e. Guam), we'll be fixing that, as it should be considered APO/USA/Domestic.

Later this weekend:
- International should be swapped over to First Class International
- However, if your package exceeds $150, then an express service is selected

These changes might take some time to implement, most likely end of next week as we update the shipping infrastructure.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Konjungamo on Sat, 11 November 2017, 17:53:51
Thanks for taking care of this  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: drevyek on Sat, 11 November 2017, 18:32:29
Sent in an email. Hopefully not too brutal to Calgary
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: totallycaked on Sun, 12 November 2017, 11:00:38
Ordered! Can't wait for these - my novatouch is going to be very happy
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 12 November 2017, 20:07:05
So, do we know yet who won the first-comer freebies, or the fact that I saw nothing on my order meant I was already too late?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: hayt on Sun, 12 November 2017, 21:58:44
In for 110 heavies :D


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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Mon, 13 November 2017, 17:28:26
We updated shipping quotas for international and such.

You can try placing an order now and email support@keyclack.com if you have any other questions.

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just a reminder: this isn't a support thread :), please email us , but we will reply to questions here as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: drevyek on Mon, 13 November 2017, 21:07:17
$11 to Calgary. Much much much better.

Just grabbed 110 lights. Can't wait
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: HotRoderX on Tue, 14 November 2017, 00:35:49
I know its to soon but curious to what people think about these! since getting my first topre board and these seem to be all the rage. I might get a set of heavy's if the 45's on the board are to light.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Lansky on Tue, 14 November 2017, 06:02:07
We updated shipping quotas for international and such.

Can confirm that shipping to Denmark went from $40 to $14. Thanks for fixing it!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Burt Macklin on Tue, 14 November 2017, 07:44:29
Thanks, after carefully examining the cost with various scientific methods - I'd say this worked.
$14 down from $61  :p

In for 110 heavies!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: DillonHightower on Tue, 14 November 2017, 15:24:55
Eta on when orders will ship out Jchan?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 14 November 2017, 20:04:56
Looking forward to ordering when other buys are cleared up/reviews are out :p I hope the stock lasts long enough.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: FSund on Wed, 15 November 2017, 05:22:21
Any interest in a 88-pack? That should cover both ANSI and ISO tenkeyless Realforce keyboards.

EDIT: The price difference between 70 and 110 domes is just $16, or 40 cents per dome. So a 88-pack (or perhaps just round up to 90 in case of defects) would be $57.2 ($58 for a 90-pack). Not sure if it's worth the hassle to Keyclack to add the two extra packs though, but just wanted to throw it out there.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: totallycaked on Wed, 15 November 2017, 07:31:59
Any interest in a 88-pack? That should cover both ANSI and ISO tenkeyless Realforce keyboards.

EDIT: The price difference between 70 and 110 domes is just $16, or 40 cents per dome. So a 88-pack (or perhaps just round up to 90 in case of defects) would be $57.2 ($58 for a 90-pack). Not sure if it's worth the hassle to Keyclack to add the two extra packs though, but just wanted to throw it out there.

I went with the 70 pack for my novatouch. I'm just going to go variable weight and use the NT domes on my esc+f-keys and the arrow cluster with these BKE's on the remaining keys
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: FSund on Wed, 15 November 2017, 07:59:15
I didn't think of re-using the stock domes for the F1-row. Would I have to cut up the sheet, or are they already separated on the Novatouch?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: totallycaked on Wed, 15 November 2017, 11:49:51
You'll have to cut them out, but you can keep most of the sheet intact if you're just taking the top row off.

This image shows the NT dome sheet:

https://i.imgur.com/N87RWql.jpg
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: loud_asian on Wed, 15 November 2017, 18:04:56
Any interest in a 88-pack? That should cover both ANSI and ISO tenkeyless Realforce keyboards.

EDIT: The price difference between 70 and 110 domes is just $16, or 40 cents per dome. So a 88-pack (or perhaps just round up to 90 in case of defects) would be $57.2 ($58 for a 90-pack). Not sure if it's worth the hassle to Keyclack to add the two extra packs though, but just wanted to throw it out there.

platabear mentioned on reddit that it would cost more money to have the factory sort the domes into 88-packs
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Koatl on Wed, 15 November 2017, 23:27:02
Eta on when orders will ship out Jchan?

I second that inquiry.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 16 November 2017, 01:43:58
Eta on when orders will ship out Jchan?

I second that inquiry.

Everything will be out on Friday, and might leak over to a Monday / Tuesday pick up.

We're doing some small QC / counting to make sure the bags are accurate to the count.

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To comment on the 88 dome thing: so I looked this over before we put together the packages, and while I agree that having the domes available in that package can help, the overall idea of having an extra 2 Skus, (and space to separate them), is a tad on the "should i" part. The sorting fees, were already a tad high, seeing that the domes are super light, and the deviation in weight is very small, compared to lets say... any gateron/cherry switch on a gram scale.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: tusing on Thu, 16 November 2017, 04:18:44
So I lubed my FC990C, and the board feels a bit less tactile. This seems to be because there is a little bit more force required to push down on the key. (I used Zeal's thick lube.)

Should the 45g BKE Redux domes help in this regard, or would the impact of the lube still overwhelm the tactility of the domes?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: kmba on Thu, 16 November 2017, 08:49:17
Lol nothing will overwhelm the tactility of bke domes. Seriously they make the most tactile switch you can imagine.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: robbles on Thu, 16 November 2017, 09:14:20
Anyone have tips for storing domes and domesheets that you aren't currently using? I was thinking of storing them in a shallow tupperware but I'm not sure if storing them slightly folded is a good idea.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 16 November 2017, 17:52:05
Anyone have tips for storing domes and domesheets that you aren't currently using? I was thinking of storing them in a shallow tupperware but I'm not sure if storing them slightly folded is a good idea.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-14-in-15-Compartment-Bin-Small-Parts-Organizer-83053N13/204536846

I have a bunch of these to store small things. They're meant for screws and such, but I use it for a bunch of keyboard stuff.

I put my dome sheets in there. it is "rolled", but not tightly.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: clickstops on Thu, 16 November 2017, 22:30:37
Lol nothing will overwhelm the tactility of bke domes. Seriously they make the most tactile switch you can imagine.

Interesting. Can you compare to Alps tactiles?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Ouster on Fri, 17 November 2017, 03:27:55
So I lubed my FC990C, and the board feels a bit less tactile. This seems to be because there is a little bit more force required to push down on the key. (I used Zeal's thick lube.)

Should the 45g BKE Redux domes help in this regard, or would the impact of the lube still overwhelm the tactility of the domes?
The BKE domes are extremely tactile. Changing to BKE from regular Topre domes will definitely add a bigger tactile bump with or without lube.

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Ouster on Fri, 17 November 2017, 03:32:31
Looking forward to ordering when other buys are cleared up/reviews are out I hope the stock lasts long enough.
I emailed Keyclack about their stock and the reply stated that while they don't know the demand it will only be about a month between restocks if they do sell out. Sounds like they will be keeping BKE domes in their store for the foreseeable future.

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: kmba on Fri, 17 November 2017, 10:50:37
Lol nothing will overwhelm the tactility of bke domes. Seriously they make the most tactile switch you can imagine.

Interesting. Can you compare to Alps tactiles?

Alps switches are a smooth steady bump that starts high in the press and extends pretty far into the press. The tactility feels "round".  They compare more to regular topre domes, in that the tactility increases and decreases smoothly. Bke domes provide a much sharper tactile point and then they more rapidly collapse (or feel like they do at least). So there's a quick "snap" point to the tactility.  Kinda hard to explain
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: hpfalcon on Fri, 17 November 2017, 11:08:01
bke feels like you are breaking a slab of chocolate with each press. Perhaps a little less sharp than that, so maybe a piece of chocolate covered with a cloth.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Konjungamo on Fri, 17 November 2017, 11:09:46
Damn, that's a cool analogy, I might just have to treat myself to an early christmas present :D
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: drevyek on Fri, 17 November 2017, 18:10:47
Are they closer to buckling springs, then? Those have some of the sharpest tactility I know, even if the drop is shallower than most.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Fri, 17 November 2017, 18:23:29
Did any of the domes ship today?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 17 November 2017, 21:35:33
We've packed a bunch today, but unfortunately, the day has come to an end.

We're likely to finish packing these Tuesday or Wednesday next week.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 17 November 2017, 21:57:35
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).

Just a heads up, of something to expect.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Fri, 17 November 2017, 22:40:57
Iím guessing tons of people would want a few cone springs with the domes just in case they lose one. Good move making them available.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: BillyBuerger on Sat, 18 November 2017, 00:29:14
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).

Just a heads up, of something to expect.

That would be awesome.  That would almost complete the list of parts needed to replace parts on a topre board.  Or better yet, for creating custom boards.  Only thing missing still is the top housing.  But I think there could be other options for that as well.  I would definitely buy in on some of those springs.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Lansky on Sat, 18 November 2017, 06:36:52
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).

That's cool!

Are these going to be replacements for the stock springs? Or will there be more options, like lighter/heavier versions?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: totallycaked on Sat, 18 November 2017, 07:31:19
Woah, replacement springs now? I feel like we're on a cusp of having topre customs available...
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: metalliccharles on Sun, 19 November 2017, 16:34:56
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).

Just a heads up, of something to expect.

Heavier spacebar spring would be  :thumb:  gold goldgold
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: regionfree on Mon, 20 November 2017, 22:25:34
Will shipping notifications with tracking numbers be sent out?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Mon, 20 November 2017, 22:49:41
I'm getting antsy as well - I had hoped to install the domes over Thanksgiving
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 20 November 2017, 22:50:15
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).

Just a heads up, of something to expect.

Someone gives me an education please: If I already install the BKE domes, what would a custom spring bring to the board? Surely it's not just for a heavier key feel, since that's what the heavier domes are for, right?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: nmur on Mon, 20 November 2017, 23:27:52
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).

Just a heads up, of something to expect.

Someone gives me an education please: If I already install the BKE domes, what would a custom spring bring to the board? Surely it's not just for a heavier key feel, since that's what the heavier domes are for, right?

i've heard that the spring accounts for 5g of the weight of the switch, so yeah i don't think there'd be much difference.

if anything, it would probably be a step towards custom topre boards, or just replacement parts
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: robbles on Tue, 21 November 2017, 20:29:52
Just got a shipping notification. Very excited for these.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 21 November 2017, 20:32:40
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).

Just a heads up, of something to expect.

Someone gives me an education please: If I already install the BKE domes, what would a custom spring bring to the board? Surely it's not just for a heavier key feel, since that's what the heavier domes are for, right?

i've heard that the spring accounts for 5g of the weight of the switch, so yeah i don't think there'd be much difference.

if anything, it would probably be a step towards custom topre boards, or just replacement parts

Would be useful to get those weights in between as some may find light too light, and heavy too heavy so adding a slightly heavier spring may get it perfect.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: regionfree on Tue, 21 November 2017, 22:29:26
Just got a shipping notification. Very excited for these.

So did I! YES!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 21 November 2017, 22:46:02
Hi,

We have now shipped the ones that were ordered before Nov 13 (Monday).

If you were ordered before then, you should have gotten a notification by now :). If not, we'll be packing it tomorrow.

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We have a few issues with some addresses that couldn't generate labels automagically, but this only applies to a few people (less than 5).
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 21 November 2017, 22:58:47
Hi,

We have now shipped the ones that were ordered before Nov 13 (Monday).

If you were ordered before then, you should have gotten a notification by now :). If not, we'll be packing it tomorrow.

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We have a few issues with some addresses that couldn't generate labels automagically, but this only applies to a few people (less than 5).

Hhmmm, still nothing yet (Ordered in the first hour). Sure hope I'm not one of those 5.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 21 November 2017, 23:00:02
Hi,

We have now shipped the ones that were ordered before Nov 13 (Monday).

If you were ordered before then, you should have gotten a notification by now :). If not, we'll be packing it tomorrow.

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We have a few issues with some addresses that couldn't generate labels automagically, but this only applies to a few people (less than 5).

Hhmmm, still nothing yet (Ordered in the first hour). Sure hope I'm not one of those 5.

Can you email support@keyclack.com?

That has me curious. Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 22 November 2017, 00:04:39
Hi,

We have now shipped the ones that were ordered before Nov 13 (Monday).

If you were ordered before then, you should have gotten a notification by now :). If not, we'll be packing it tomorrow.

---

We have a few issues with some addresses that couldn't generate labels automagically, but this only applies to a few people (less than 5).

Hhmmm, still nothing yet (Ordered in the first hour). Sure hope I'm not one of those 5.

Can you email support@keyclack.com?

That has me curious. Thanks!

Ah never mind, the email just arrived. Apology for being that guy with the fake trouble 🙂
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: clickstops on Wed, 22 November 2017, 11:18:11
Lol nothing will overwhelm the tactility of bke domes. Seriously they make the most tactile switch you can imagine.

Interesting. Can you compare to Alps tactiles?

Alps switches are a smooth steady bump that starts high in the press and extends pretty far into the press. The tactility feels "round".  They compare more to regular topre domes, in that the tactility increases and decreases smoothly. Bke domes provide a much sharper tactile point and then they more rapidly collapse (or feel like they do at least). So there's a quick "snap" point to the tactility.  Kinda hard to explain

Super interesting, thanks for the reply. I feel like Alps collapse hard compared to Topre and part of what makes Topre so great (to me) is the roundness of the bump. Not sure I want to lose that for more tactility (alps blue and orange are tactile enough!) Still gonna try them, though... thanks again.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 22 November 2017, 18:47:55
Super excited for everyone to receive their domes!

I'm currently working on making the springs, and hopefully, we start seeing some custom topre boards coming out in 2018. That would be really exciting!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: hayt on Wed, 22 November 2017, 19:04:15
Any theories on if the 60g domes would be impacted by something like the new Norbauer Alu Case?


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Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 22 November 2017, 19:07:34
Any theories on if the 60g domes would be impacted by something like the new Norbauer Alu Case?


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Currently, I have no idea. But I think I'm going to have to get one of those cases for myself to check it out.

Too bad I don't have a novatouch :( and I don't want the realforce one that badly
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: robbles on Thu, 23 November 2017, 12:49:51
Tracking updated with a delivery date of Tuesday! I canít believe this is happening so fast. Probably wonít have a chance to install them until Thursday.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: the pokemon kid on Thu, 23 November 2017, 18:33:04
Any theories on if the 60g domes would be impacted by something like the new Norbauer Alu Case?


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Currently, I have no idea. But I think I'm going to have to get one of those cases for myself to check it out.

Too bad I don't have a novatouch :( and I don't want the realforce one that badly

I will be able to see if the current Norbauer case is effected by the 60g domes! Got one coming!

Going to try and stream the dome swap too!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Sharku on Fri, 24 November 2017, 10:51:21
We've packed a bunch today, but unfortunately, the day has come to an end.

We're likely to finish packing these Tuesday or Wednesday next week.


I sent you an email to solve a payment issue. (SOLVED)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: dangboy on Sat, 25 November 2017, 12:51:39
!!! Ohhhh bboooyy!! Got my heavy domes installed in HHKB... bajeesus. Whoever compared these to breakin off pieces of a Hershey bar was absolutely spot on. The crisp. The Thock.
Bless.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: cooldiscretion on Sat, 25 November 2017, 13:58:46
!!! Ohhhh bboooyy!! Got my heavy domes installed in HHKB... bajeesus. Whoever compared these to breakin off pieces of a Hershey bar was absolutely spot on. The crisp. The Thock.
Bless.

Any possibility you could do a typing video? All I have seen so far are typing vids using the OG BKE domes.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Lansky on Sat, 25 November 2017, 14:33:26
Any possibility you could do a typing video? All I have seen so far are typing vids using the OG BKE domes.

This pls
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: mbsurfer on Sat, 25 November 2017, 16:04:25
Any possibility you could do a typing video? All I have seen so far are typing vids using the OG BKE domes.

This pls


Only mods have the Redux BKE Heavy Domes, alphas are still stock. (Not my board, found on Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fhs5c/as_requested_hhkb_with_bke_heavy_domes_sound/))
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: cooldiscretion on Sat, 25 November 2017, 20:45:56
Any possibility you could do a typing video? All I have seen so far are typing vids using the OG BKE domes.

This pls


Only mods have the Redux BKE Heavy Domes, alphas are still stock. (Not my board, found on Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fhs5c/as_requested_hhkb_with_bke_heavy_domes_sound/))

Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Lansky on Sun, 26 November 2017, 06:05:29
Only mods have the Redux BKE Heavy Domes, alphas are still stock. (Not my board, found on Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fhs5c/as_requested_hhkb_with_bke_heavy_domes_sound/))

Thank you!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Koatl on Sun, 26 November 2017, 19:17:44
Installed heavy domes on Plum87 with Silence-x rings. I'm in love. I suspect I won't be using the set of light domes I purchased.

Swapping did take a bit of time, but it was fun and easy and I had no problems.

Thanks Jchan!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: clappingcactus on Sun, 26 November 2017, 23:32:18
Installed heavy domes on Plum87 with Silence-x rings. I'm in love. I suspect I won't be using the set of light domes I purchased.

Swapping did take a bit of time, but it was fun and easy and I had no problems.

Thanks Jchan!

Any chance you could compare Plum87 with BKE vs real Topre boards with BKE? It would be interesting to know if this is sufficient to turn Plum keyboards 'real'.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Mon, 27 November 2017, 15:07:00
I've been typing on the heavies for a few days now. My biggest complaint is that they totally ruined stock topre switches for me. I left one 55g dome in on my f12 key - it pretty much feels linear in comparison to the new domes. 
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 27 November 2017, 20:22:02
So one complaint I had with actual BKE domes was that Topre stopped feeling 'comfortable' with them. There was just tactility and the bottoming out was not as drawn out. Is this still 'a thing' with the Redux domes?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Koatl on Tue, 28 November 2017, 01:30:21
Any chance you could compare Plum87 with BKE vs real Topre boards with BKE? It would be interesting to know if this is sufficient to turn Plum keyboards 'real'.

I'll let you know. I have a Type Heaven I'll be adding the lighter domes to (that one is for work) and a Realforce RGB I'll be adding more heavy domes to. I don't know if people consider the Realforce RGB "real" or not.

I might pick up a 91u for comparison purposes, and to have a full JIS board. If I can find one haha.

Anyone CONUS interested in trading your bag of 110 heavy domes for my bag of 110 light domes? Mine is unopened. I'll cover our shipping costs.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: Ouster on Tue, 28 November 2017, 03:23:06
Any chance you could compare Plum87 with BKE vs real Topre boards with BKE? It would be interesting to know if this is sufficient to turn Plum keyboards 'real'.

I'll let you know. I have a Type Heaven I'll be adding the lighter domes to (that one is for work) and a Realforce RGB I'll be adding more heavy domes to. I don't know if people consider the Realforce RGB "real" or not.

I might pick up a 91u for comparison purposes, and to have a full JIS board. If I can find one haha.

Anyone CONUS interested in trading your bag of 110 heavy domes for my bag of 110 light domes? Mine is unopened. I'll cover our shipping costs.
As a Realforce RGB owner I consider it "realer" than a Type Heaven :P. Realforce has better build quality and the RGB looks and feels great, just have to replace the stock keycaps. I really love the minimal case. It feels different from my Hi-Pro and HHKB but both of those feel different from each other as well. The RGB to me feels like a lighter tactile bump, easier compression, and a smoother bottom out than my other Topre. I will also be putting the BKE redux domes on it so I am interested to see how much it changes the feels.

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Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 28 November 2017, 08:52:50
Mine arrived yesterday, didn't have the chance to actually swap them into a board but I did have a loose 45g dome to compare them with, and these things really do live up to the bubblewrap/hershey bar comparisons.  Now my only problem is that I want to get a ton of them to swap all my boards, though I will have to test out whether I like the heavy or light more. 
Title: Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: christianstrang on Tue, 28 November 2017, 09:09:04
Any theories on if the 60g domes would be impacted by something like the new Norbauer Alu Case?

I have the lights and the heavies installed on my Norbauer Case, works like a charm and the installation was quite easy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fzjh9/photos_bke_redux_norbatouch_with_mito_canvas/

@jchan94: About the springs, any way to get notified once they are ready?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: totallycaked on Tue, 28 November 2017, 14:53:29
Got my heavies this morning. I haven't installed them yet because I'm still waiting on a few things for my novatouch rebuild, but just sitting here comparing the tactility to the 45g topre domes is like night and day. I think what others have said is true: this will ruin standard topre domes for you, the BKE domes feel so much more comfortable and like 400% more tactile. They're spectacular. I wish I went with the 110 pack now :D

I'm so eager to get these installed... HURRY UP JTK TOXIC!
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (BKE Redux)
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 29 November 2017, 06:16:45
I am sooo happpy that everything has been so well received for this project.

It truly brings me joy since 99% of the things I've been hearing from people is positive, and I've been needing some of that recently.

In any case, we're currently working on finalizing the spring replacement project.

We've created the production samples, and are currently waiting to receive these, test them out, and everything before we go to bulk production.

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A few things I want to note about the springs is that:

1. They will probably be expensive, and sold in packs of 5 or 10.

Why? Sorting them into individual units is extremely expensive, and we're making an extremely low production run of them. Maybe about 20,000 units.

2. The spacebar springs will probably be sold in individual units however.

Why? Because I don't think many need it. However, only about 1000 will be made, and they will probably be expensive because of the low-unit run.

To clarify: 1000 springs is an extremely low unit run, and our manufacturer has been quoting us for 100k unit MoQ.

3. We're most likely to release any of this end of December, or in January, as Q4 is closing soon since the Holidays are around.

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Also, we're running low on 110 heavy domes, but we're likely to update that number to 125 unit (and just using the 25 unit stock bags) to make up for the lack of stock. The price won't change if and once we run out of 110 heavy domes.

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I hope that answers everyone's questions and concerns!

Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 29 November 2017, 06:35:33
oh here are photos that I forgot to include

(https://i.imgur.com/BJbk9hI.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/f15tBtg.png)
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: metalliccharles on Wed, 29 November 2017, 09:46:44
Are the springs just stock replacements?  They look to have a yellowish/copper tint to them?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Wed, 29 November 2017, 10:00:15
Are the springs just stock replacements?  They look to have a yellowish/copper tint to them?

My realforce 55g came with copper looking springs, my novatouch and hhkb has silver ones. I donít really think it effects anything and they are interchangeable.  Thatís mostly just a guess.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: drevyek on Wed, 29 November 2017, 10:24:04
Are the springs just stock replacements?  They look to have a yellowish/copper tint to them?
Might just be the lighting. They could have some manner of coating, though.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: robbles on Wed, 29 November 2017, 11:22:20
Typing on an HHKB full of light domes right now. This thing is SNAPPY. I took out the hypersphere silence rings just to try out these things at peak tactility. I will probably put them back in at a later date because the snappiness does get fatiguing after a while. I left one ring on the right alt for comparison and it slightly reduces the harshness. Not sure how you heavy handed folks deal with the heavies.

The sound is also altered on the upstroke especially. The slider hits the top with much more force than before, replacing the trademark thock sound with more of a clack. This will be resolved when I put the hyperspheres back in though. Still sounds better than any Cherry board I've used. Overall these are a nice alternative to stock domes! Thanks for the pin and the smooth process Jchan!
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 29 November 2017, 13:29:22
Typing on an HHKB full of light domes right now. This thing is SNAPPY. I took out the hypersphere silence rings just to try out these things at peak tactility. I will probably put them back in at a later date because the snappiness does get fatiguing after a while. I left one ring on the right alt for comparison and it slightly reduces the harshness. Not sure how you heavy handed folks deal with the heavies.

The sound is also altered on the upstroke especially. The slider hits the top with much more force than before, replacing the trademark thock sound with more of a clack. This will be resolved when I put the hyperspheres back in though. Still sounds better than any Cherry board I've used. Overall these are a nice alternative to stock domes! Thanks for the pin and the smooth process Jchan!

I noticed the clack from the typing demo in this thread.  That is strange to hear out of a HHKB.  Would you say you prefer the new domes or are they just a nice alternative?

For example, I really like Gateron Greens, but there is no way I could type on them all day long.  I would consider them to be nice switches, and something I would use occasionally, but not superior to something like a Buckling Spring or Gateron Blacks.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 29 November 2017, 14:41:24
Are the springs just stock replacements?  They look to have a yellowish/copper tint to them?

Yes. They are regular replacement springs. A lot of people have told me that they lost the springs.

The hhkb springs are this color as well. I believe the rf is the same, but I think the NT ones are silver?

Well, color doesn't matter too much honestly.

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A lot of people are recommending silencing rings to make it more quiet on the up stroke. I'm wondering if there's an alternative to this and maybe if there could be something developed that could make it more quiet.

Anyways, open to suggestions!

Thanks for the reviews and feedback.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: robbles on Wed, 29 November 2017, 15:07:24
Typing on an HHKB full of light domes right now. This thing is SNAPPY. I took out the hypersphere silence rings just to try out these things at peak tactility. I will probably put them back in at a later date because the snappiness does get fatiguing after a while. I left one ring on the right alt for comparison and it slightly reduces the harshness. Not sure how you heavy handed folks deal with the heavies.

The sound is also altered on the upstroke especially. The slider hits the top with much more force than before, replacing the trademark thock sound with more of a clack. This will be resolved when I put the hyperspheres back in though. Still sounds better than any Cherry board I've used. Overall these are a nice alternative to stock domes! Thanks for the pin and the smooth process Jchan!

I noticed the clack from the typing demo in this thread.  That is strange to hear out of a HHKB.  Would you say you prefer the new domes or are they just a nice alternative?

For example, I really like Gateron Greens, but there is no way I could type on them all day long.  I would consider them to be nice switches, and something I would use occasionally, but not superior to something like a Buckling Spring or Gateron Blacks.

I'm gonna try the domes with no silencing rings for a couple weeks and report back, its too early to say if I prefer them over stock domes. For reference, I'm a web developer and type all day. First impressions though, they definitely make my HHKB feel fun again. I could see people who have always felt Topre was too light really enjoying these, or anyone trying to breathe some new life into an HHKB. It really is like a marriage of Topre and buckling springs.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Burt Macklin on Wed, 29 November 2017, 17:52:02
Well, this was fast - ordered my domes today, and they were shipped pretty much right away.
Props to jchan, can't wait for them to arrive  :thumb:
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: tragedyfoundus on Wed, 29 November 2017, 22:31:57
I just installed the tester pack to see which I like the most and WOW, these are tactile as hell! It's pretty crazy. The tactile bump is very sharp, compared to the stock Topre domes which are a lot smoother. Can't decide which I like the most, 60g seems just a bit too heavy, on the other hand, the 45g feels just a bit too light. I definitely want those 55g variants you're working on. :thumb: The 60g variant is also pretty loud, even with KBD Silence-X rings installed. All in all, they're most impressive. Thanks to everyone involved!

Congrats to me on my first GeekHack post, woo. Here's to many more.  ;D
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Hyde on Sat, 02 December 2017, 17:49:12
Typing on an HHKB full of light domes right now. This thing is SNAPPY. I took out the hypersphere silence rings just to try out these things at peak tactility. I will probably put them back in at a later date because the snappiness does get fatiguing after a while. I left one ring on the right alt for comparison and it slightly reduces the harshness. Not sure how you heavy handed folks deal with the heavies.

The sound is also altered on the upstroke especially. The slider hits the top with much more force than before, replacing the trademark thock sound with more of a clack. This will be resolved when I put the hyperspheres back in though. Still sounds better than any Cherry board I've used. Overall these are a nice alternative to stock domes! Thanks for the pin and the smooth process Jchan!

I noticed the clack from the typing demo in this thread.  That is strange to hear out of a HHKB.  Would you say you prefer the new domes or are they just a nice alternative?

For example, I really like Gateron Greens, but there is no way I could type on them all day long.  I would consider them to be nice switches, and something I would use occasionally, but not superior to something like a Buckling Spring or Gateron Blacks.

I'm gonna try the domes with no silencing rings for a couple weeks and report back, its too early to say if I prefer them over stock domes. For reference, I'm a web developer and type all day. First impressions though, they definitely make my HHKB feel fun again. I could see people who have always felt Topre was too light really enjoying these, or anyone trying to breathe some new life into an HHKB. It really is like a marriage of Topre and buckling springs.

Yes definitely let us know later, I'm also on the fence about ordering these and I already have the hypersphere rings from before.

However I'm more of a light typist (I use 45g Topre and MX Brown regularly) so I'm also worrying about the fatiguing.  But if the hypersphere rings can fix the issue then maybe I could pull the trigger.

Please keep us updated, thank you!
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: HotRoderX on Sun, 03 December 2017, 00:23:37
Are the springs just stock replacements?  They look to have a yellowish/copper tint to them?

Yes. They are regular replacement springs. A lot of people have told me that they lost the springs.

The hhkb springs are this color as well. I believe the rf is the same, but I think the NT ones are silver?

Well, color doesn't matter too much honestly.

-

A lot of people are recommending silencing rings to make it more quiet on the up stroke. I'm wondering if there's an alternative to this and maybe if there could be something developed that could make it more quiet.

Anyways, open to suggestions!

Thanks for the reviews and feedback.

Taking a typical slider from what seen they have wings.. why not add a absorbing material to those wings? I would assume that increasing the surface area of the absorbing material would increase its ability to silence the impact.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: marre259 on Sun, 03 December 2017, 11:26:41
Are the springs just stock replacements?  They look to have a yellowish/copper tint to them?

Yes. They are regular replacement springs. A lot of people have told me that they lost the springs.

The hhkb springs are this color as well. I believe the rf is the same, but I think the NT ones are silver?

Well, color doesn't matter too much honestly.

-

A lot of people are recommending silencing rings to make it more quiet on the up stroke. I'm wondering if there's an alternative to this and maybe if there could be something developed that could make it more quiet.

Anyways, open to suggestions!

Thanks for the reviews and feedback.

For silencing you can do what gateron are doing with their silenced switches -- putting dampeners on the top and bottom of the legs. Although in order to not sacrifice stability you'd need to dampen the entire top part of the slider. I would assume that this would be much more difficult to manufacture than sliders and silencing rings individually.

I am in favor of built-in dampers mainly because you can dampen the switch without decreasing travel distance as you do with adding silencing rings.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 03 December 2017, 14:28:56
One project I think would be worthwhile is simply trying to perfect the topre-mx sliders.  The currently existing ones work, but they have issues such as wobble and inconsistency from slider to slider (also seem to be too loose for some keycaps).  It'd also be nice to see topre-mx spacebar stabilizers made since those were skipped over.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Lansky on Sun, 03 December 2017, 14:37:19
One project I think would be worthwhile is simply trying to perfect the topre-mx sliders.  The currently existing ones work, but they have issues such as wobble and inconsistency from slider to slider (also seem to be too loose for some keycaps).  It'd also be nice to see topre-mx spacebar stabilizers made since those were skipped over.

I was thinking the exact same thing the other day. The issues you mentioned are the exact reason why I'm still hesitant to buy the JTK/KBDfans sliders. I'm still kind of surprised that we have yet to see any real high quality samples. I wonder if they're hard to manufacture considering that the tolerances would have to be pretty much spot on in order to prevent any wobble etc. and make them on par with the stock Topre sliders.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 03 December 2017, 22:51:58
One project I think would be worthwhile is simply trying to perfect the topre-mx sliders.  The currently existing ones work, but they have issues such as wobble and inconsistency from slider to slider (also seem to be too loose for some keycaps).  It'd also be nice to see topre-mx spacebar stabilizers made since those were skipped over.

I was thinking the exact same thing the other day. The issues you mentioned are the exact reason why I'm still hesitant to buy the JTK/KBDfans sliders. I'm still kind of surprised that we have yet to see any real high quality samples. I wonder if they're hard to manufacture considering that the tolerances would have to be pretty much spot on in order to prevent any wobble etc. and make them on par with the stock Topre sliders.

The kbdfans are made by Jtk. Just an FYI! The molding looks identical from their photos.

These are interesting ideas and I'll definitely investigate them.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Wetherbee on Sun, 03 December 2017, 23:04:41
These are interesting ideas and I'll definitely investigate them.

The problem with the JTK sliders (aka kbdfans Adapter-X) is primarily that the Chinese are ignoring the tolerances of the original designs:

https://rix.li/topre-to-cherry-mx-adapter/

Note carefully that the JTK sliders have square corners on the 2u sliders, and this design shows the better and more compatible rounded corners (after what I can only assume was extensive testing). Also, this design has a nice design for spacebar stabilizers which I have not seen on the market at all.

The weird part is that the original design files are open source so it makes no sense why they would cut corners like this (or, in the case of this bad pun, "not cut corners.")

I assume also that the original design has a proper height and width tolerances to a) reduce wobble and b) ensure compatibility with GMK, SA, DSA, OEM, etc. Reports are that the novatouch sliders are too short and the JTK sliders are tall enough but are too skinny, thus more wobbly on the 1u sliders.

If you can solve that I'd pay a premium for better made sliders. JTK and Novatouch are close but no cigar.

Here's a review that explains some of the issues: https://imgur.com/a/CBmWX#RQmRf4o

I should also note that even though you can replace the sliders with JTK sliders, you still need to drill the 2u housings for compatibility with SA keysets because of the extra stems on the left and right side of the cap will slam into the housing. Novatouch got around this problem by modifying their stem housings to add holes on either side of the stem so the extra keycap stems can just poke through.

Don't get me started on spacebar compatibility issues.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Wetherbee on Sun, 03 December 2017, 23:24:57
Another option is that you could improve the slider design by building silencing directly into the slider OR the housing rather than introducing silencing rings. Rings throw off tolerances. You could aborb more sound by having two sound deadening materials hitting each other on the thock.

The current JTK sliders are reportedly made of POM. This is the ideal material (when using plastic) due to low wear and low coefficient of friction. Not sure about sound attenuation though.

According to this thread the housings, unfortunately, are made of ABS: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=26646.0

ABS is not as durable and is not as good at handling friction which is likely why the switches come lubed from the factory.

It would be nice to have replacement housings in POM as well, or go completely nuts and do replacement sliders + housings in a whole new material like metal alloy with a lower coefficient of friction and lower wear rate.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: sodiumjoe on Tue, 05 December 2017, 00:05:01
Hey jchan, thanks for all the hard work on these, I've had them in my fc660c for about a week now and they're fantastic. I still can't believe how tactile they are.

That said, even the light ones are a bit on the heavy side, I hope there will be an even lighter version in the works at some point.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: lunr on Tue, 05 December 2017, 16:59:05
Just wondering if anyone not get a topre pin in their order? I didn't get one unfortunately :(
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: robbles on Tue, 05 December 2017, 18:01:54
Ordered in the first 2 minutes. Got an FC660 pin. Gave it to my coworker because he has the real version :thumb:
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 05 December 2017, 18:29:37
Just wondering if anyone not get a topre pin in their order? I didn't get one unfortunately :(

You would've only gotten a pin if you ordered during that weekend (Friday - Sunday).

If you didn't receive one, email support@keyclack.com with your order information.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: lunr on Tue, 05 December 2017, 18:49:19
Well I'm in Canada so there was the whole international shipping thing. I emailed on the 11th for a quote where as the same day, the reddit post you made on r/mechmarket said all BKE orders will receive a pin. I waited till the 13th (Never got a reply back) when I received the email regarding about the USPS first class rate was added into your system which I ordered on the same day. Sooo, some what scratching my head.

Anyways not a big deal. I am hoping you will make a even more lighter version.

Just wondering if anyone not get a topre pin in their order? I didn't get one unfortunately :(

You would've only gotten a pin if you ordered during that weekend (Friday - Sunday).

If you didn't receive one, email support@keyclack.com with your order information.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 05 December 2017, 19:01:31
Well I'm in Canada so there was the whole international shipping thing. I emailed on the 11th for a quote where as the same day, the reddit post you made on r/mechmarket said all BKE orders will receive a pin. I waited till the 13th (Never got a reply back) when I received the email regarding about the USPS first class rate was added into your system which I ordered on the same day. Sooo, some what scratching my head.

Anyways not a big deal. I am hoping you will make a even more lighter version.

Just wondering if anyone not get a topre pin in their order? I didn't get one unfortunately :(

You would've only gotten a pin if you ordered during that weekend (Friday - Sunday).

If you didn't receive one, email support@keyclack.com with your order information.

We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.

Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy

--

I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: lunr on Tue, 05 December 2017, 22:00:30
Nice!  :thumb:

Well I'm in Canada so there was the whole international shipping thing. I emailed on the 11th for a quote where as the same day, the reddit post you made on r/mechmarket said all BKE orders will receive a pin. I waited till the 13th (Never got a reply back) when I received the email regarding about the USPS first class rate was added into your system which I ordered on the same day. Sooo, some what scratching my head.

Anyways not a big deal. I am hoping you will make a even more lighter version.

Just wondering if anyone not get a topre pin in their order? I didn't get one unfortunately :(

You would've only gotten a pin if you ordered during that weekend (Friday - Sunday).

If you didn't receive one, email support@keyclack.com with your order information.

We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.

Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy

--

I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.


Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: sodiumjoe on Tue, 05 December 2017, 22:57:29
Well I'm in Canada so there was the whole international shipping thing. I emailed on the 11th for a quote where as the same day, the reddit post you made on r/mechmarket said all BKE orders will receive a pin. I waited till the 13th (Never got a reply back) when I received the email regarding about the USPS first class rate was added into your system which I ordered on the same day. Sooo, some what scratching my head.

Anyways not a big deal. I am hoping you will make a even more lighter version.

Just wondering if anyone not get a topre pin in their order? I didn't get one unfortunately :(

You would've only gotten a pin if you ordered during that weekend (Friday - Sunday).

If you didn't receive one, email support@keyclack.com with your order information.

We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.

Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy

--

I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.
fantastic news, super stoked, thanks jchan!
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 06 December 2017, 00:38:27
Anyone knows why my Caps-lock LED doesn't light up anymore after a dome swap? I did cut out a corner of the Caps-lock dome for the light to shine through.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Hyde on Wed, 06 December 2017, 21:48:18
Anyone knows why my Caps-lock LED doesn't light up anymore after a dome swap? I did cut out a corner of the Caps-lock dome for the light to shine through.
Thanks.

Hmmmmm I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work.

Did the switch itself work?  For example when you turn caps lock on does it actually type capital letters?  Also did you flip the dip switch to swap caps lock with ctrl?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Erikdayo on Thu, 07 December 2017, 12:31:09

We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.

Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy

--

I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.
I am very interested in super light. Thanks for working on more options! I really love the current 'light' option but a version that's a little lighter would be very nice to have too
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Hyde on Thu, 07 December 2017, 13:07:18

We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.

Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy

--

I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.
I am very interested in super light. Thanks for working on more options! I really love the current 'light' option but a version that's a little lighter would be very nice to have too

How heavy would you say is the current "light" version?  Since people say it's heavier than Topre 45g so realistically would you say it's closer to MX Black kind of weight?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: robbles on Thu, 07 December 2017, 15:08:29

We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.

Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy

--

I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.
I am very interested in super light. Thanks for working on more options! I really love the current 'light' option but a version that's a little lighter would be very nice to have too

How heavy would you say is the current "light" version?  Since people say it's heavier than Topre 45g so realistically would you say it's closer to MX Black kind of weight?

After typing on the light version for over a week straight now, I hopped on to a board with MX Clears to compare. The light domes make Clears feel super light in comparison. They make Clears feel near linear. Hopefully that gives ya'll some perspective. I can't even imagine what the heavy version feels like.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: metalliccharles on Thu, 07 December 2017, 16:50:45
I am also very interested in some super lights.  I first tried using the lights for alpha/num and the heavies for mods and spacebar.  I found the heavies on the mods too heavy for my weak pinkies, so I switched out everything to lights.  But I disliked the light for the spacebar, so I ended up using heavies for spacebar and esc (because I hit esc like an eject button).  I went ahead and lubed the rails while I had the board open.  I've used this configuration for over a week now and really enjoy the tactility.  I still get a little fatigue in my pinkies after awhile.  But all in all, I don't think I could ever go back to the stock domes, really awesome upgrade!  Also, love the topre deskmat! :thumb: :thumb: 

Edit: Wanted to add, I ordered a vibration absorption mat because there's a good deal of vibration created from the upstroke of the spacebar with the heavy.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: clickityClackity on Thu, 07 December 2017, 21:11:19
Been on all Heavy Domes for over a week now, and since it seems not many people are using them I thought I'd share my experience.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/b5c5cd912950f76dc198e271e0dbf840.jpg)

They are WAY too freaking heavy for stock keycaps so I switched back to my Hi-pro caps and while it's still on the heavy side it feels amazing.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/95986bbf9142192ebad811a64a126d75.jpg)
I'm definitely a fan! The tactile feel is great - a nice solid tactile bump which goes perfectly with the Hi-pro's. They also add a little extra thock, which sounds great!

All things considered, they are amazing for typing with hi-pro's, but without them I'd be fatigued in a couple minutes. I also wouldn't recommend them for gaming ever, unless you play your game of choice by slamming the keys with your fists... If that is how you play, then these will probably work great for you!
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 07 December 2017, 21:16:58
Been on all Heavy Domes for over a week now, and since it seems not many people are using them I thought I'd share my experience.

Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/b5c5cd912950f76dc198e271e0dbf840.jpg)


They are WAY too freaking heavy for stock keycaps so I switched back to my Hi-pro caps and while it's still on the heavy side it feels amazing.
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/95986bbf9142192ebad811a64a126d75.jpg)

I'm definitely a fan! The tactile feel is great - a nice solid tactile bump which goes perfectly with the Hi-pro's. They also add a little extra thock, which sounds great!

All things considered, they are amazing for typing with hi-pro's, but without them I'd be fatigued in a couple minutes. I also wouldn't recommend them for gaming ever, unless you play your game of choice by slamming the keys with your fists... If that is how you play, then these will probably work great for you!

It looks like your spacebar is oriented the wrong way. :) but thanks for the review. Glad you enjoy them
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: clickityClackity on Fri, 08 December 2017, 14:17:48
Been on all Heavy Domes for over a week now, and since it seems not many people are using them I thought I'd share my experience.

Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/b5c5cd912950f76dc198e271e0dbf840.jpg)


They are WAY too freaking heavy for stock keycaps so I switched back to my Hi-pro caps and while it's still on the heavy side it feels amazing.
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/95986bbf9142192ebad811a64a126d75.jpg)

I'm definitely a fan! The tactile feel is great - a nice solid tactile bump which goes perfectly with the Hi-pro's. They also add a little extra thock, which sounds great!

All things considered, they are amazing for typing with hi-pro's, but without them I'd be fatigued in a couple minutes. I also wouldn't recommend them for gaming ever, unless you play your game of choice by slamming the keys with your fists... If that is how you play, then these will probably work great for you!

It looks like your spacebar is oriented the wrong way. :) but thanks for the review. Glad you enjoy them
Yes, it was aligned incorrectly and ruined all of my awesome artsy pictures unfortunately. :(
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Koatl on Sun, 10 December 2017, 00:26:17
So I've got a set of light domes on my Type Heaven and heavies on my Realforce RGB with shinethrough caps from Max Keys as well as heavies on my Plum87 with Tai Hao Miami. The Plum with Tai Hao and heavy domes is my new favorite keyboard feeling. I don't if it's something in the caps or the build of the board itself, but it feels a bit softer than the Realforce RGB. Still just as tactile, but with a certain softness I find hard to describe.

Anyway, I'm loving these heavy domes a lot. Glad I got so many of them. Thanks for your work jchan!
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 10 December 2017, 01:39:16
Finally got around to installing my domes (light version), ultimately decided to put them in my HHKB.  I had stopped using it a while ago in favor of my Novatouch since the domes seemed to have become mushier/less tactile than my other topre boards (I suppose from overuse? Same thing happened with my 104U at work).  But these domes have definitely restored its status as my main board, though now I'm wondering if I should try some of the heavies in it (have one in the spacebar, but can't really extrapolate that to typing on an entire board of them).

Installation was actually a bit faster than I expected, tolerances on these are good and I didn't have any issues getting them all to line up next to each other/with the alignment notches like I thought may happen.  Only thing I noticed was that a few of them had a little bit of thin excess material in one of the notches on the sides, but it'd always pull off easily.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 10 December 2017, 15:17:13
Finally got around to installing my domes (light version), ultimately decided to put them in my HHKB.  I had stopped using it a while ago in favor of my Novatouch since the domes seemed to have become mushier/less tactile than my other topre boards (I suppose from overuse? Same thing happened with my 104U at work).  But these domes have definitely restored its status as my main board, though now I'm wondering if I should try some of the heavies in it (have one in the spacebar, but can't really extrapolate that to typing on an entire board of them).

Installation was actually a bit faster than I expected, tolerances on these are good and I didn't have any issues getting them all to line up next to each other/with the alignment notches like I thought may happen.  Only thing I noticed was that a few of them had a little bit of thin excess material in one of the notches on the sides, but it'd always pull off easily.

If you're interested in getting more domes, I'd hold off til our January stock. We have 3 new weights coming in.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: the pokemon kid on Sun, 10 December 2017, 16:55:53
Hi All!

I have just spent the last four and a half hours streaming me installing these domes into my Novatouch! What can I say... These things are truely amazing. The tactility is doubled if not tripled compared to the originals and I have lubed the sliders! What I have always wanted! The only issue which I had was getting the springs to be seated right. I had to take the board apart a couple of times because keys werent working. However this is down to me being cack handed.

I made a short video from some clips from the build stream. It is in four parts (Stock Novatouch, Novatouch in Norbauer Case, Novatouch with BKE domes in original case and finally Novatouch in a Norbauer case with BKE Domes). I used heavy domes and they are dreamy!

Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: DaBubbs on Sun, 10 December 2017, 19:15:28
Finally got around to installing my domes (light version), ultimately decided to put them in my HHKB.  I had stopped using it a while ago in favor of my Novatouch since the domes seemed to have become mushier/less tactile than my other topre boards (I suppose from overuse? Same thing happened with my 104U at work).  But these domes have definitely restored its status as my main board, though now I'm wondering if I should try some of the heavies in it (have one in the spacebar, but can't really extrapolate that to typing on an entire board of them).

Installation was actually a bit faster than I expected, tolerances on these are good and I didn't have any issues getting them all to line up next to each other/with the alignment notches like I thought may happen.  Only thing I noticed was that a few of them had a little bit of thin excess material in one of the notches on the sides, but it'd always pull off easily.

If you're interested in getting more domes, I'd hold off til our January stock. We have 3 new weights coming in.
Sorry if I missed it in an earlier posting but what are the new weights?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 10 December 2017, 20:15:35
Finally got around to installing my domes (light version), ultimately decided to put them in my HHKB.  I had stopped using it a while ago in favor of my Novatouch since the domes seemed to have become mushier/less tactile than my other topre boards (I suppose from overuse? Same thing happened with my 104U at work).  But these domes have definitely restored its status as my main board, though now I'm wondering if I should try some of the heavies in it (have one in the spacebar, but can't really extrapolate that to typing on an entire board of them).

Installation was actually a bit faster than I expected, tolerances on these are good and I didn't have any issues getting them all to line up next to each other/with the alignment notches like I thought may happen.  Only thing I noticed was that a few of them had a little bit of thin excess material in one of the notches on the sides, but it'd always pull off easily.

If you're interested in getting more domes, I'd hold off til our January stock. We have 3 new weights coming in.
Sorry if I missed it in an earlier posting but what are the new weights?

Thanks!

extra light, medium, and i don't remember what the last one is
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Koatl on Mon, 11 December 2017, 10:22:48
So are the upcoming "extreme" weight domes the same as the current "heavy" domes? Or are they heavier?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: child on Mon, 11 December 2017, 14:24:26
So I disassembled my Novatouch for the sample kit - just put a single light and heavy dome on the keys in the top right corner. Like someone already stated - they make the original domes feel linear. 55g seems to be very similar to RF87u 55g (perhaps not surprisingly), but I don't them side by side to compare. 65g seems a bit too heavy for my taste, but I really appreciate the tactility.

However, there is one thing that is puzzling me - I hear some noise at the point of releasing after bottoming out. It isn't loud, but very annoying - it does happen both with light and heavy BKEs, but not with original domes. It happens even if I release the key just about 1mm and do it very slowly. It sounds as if a spring was moving, but I paid special attention to align them properly. Any ideas on how I could fix this?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: DaBubbs on Mon, 11 December 2017, 21:03:51
Finally got around to installing my domes (light version), ultimately decided to put them in my HHKB.  I had stopped using it a while ago in favor of my Novatouch since the domes seemed to have become mushier/less tactile than my other topre boards (I suppose from overuse? Same thing happened with my 104U at work).  But these domes have definitely restored its status as my main board, though now I'm wondering if I should try some of the heavies in it (have one in the spacebar, but can't really extrapolate that to typing on an entire board of them).

Installation was actually a bit faster than I expected, tolerances on these are good and I didn't have any issues getting them all to line up next to each other/with the alignment notches like I thought may happen.  Only thing I noticed was that a few of them had a little bit of thin excess material in one of the notches on the sides, but it'd always pull off easily.

If you're interested in getting more domes, I'd hold off til our January stock. We have 3 new weights coming in.
Sorry if I missed it in an earlier posting but what are the new weights?

Thanks!

extra light, medium, and i don't remember what the last one is
Gotcha... thanks  :thumb:

I think I will get a sample pack when the new ones come out. I absolutely love my 55g RF 87u but I am not sure 1) how I would like the extra tactility and 2) how I would like a 60g or a 65g.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 12 December 2017, 03:14:46
These are the weights:

Super Light (lighter than the current light)
Medium (in between light and heavy)
Extreme (limited, due to unknown demand, but can come back).

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For those wondering, yes, we'll have sample packs specifically for these, and with the feedback I heard about samples, I'll also be dividing the sample packs into their individual packages as well (units of 5 still), and a bundle of the new ones for a discounted bundle price.

So now I'm wondering how heavy people want the extreme.
Currently, the heavy is rated at around 60g, and I was thinking that we should get something around 80g rating or so. But I fear keycaps will start flying off.

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Lastly, we'll be taking out the 25 unit option, due to not much interest in it :)
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 12 December 2017, 03:17:54
i bet 65g or 70g would be popular

just due to the popularity of 78g springs for MX
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: jnav on Tue, 12 December 2017, 13:13:31
Just installed mine on a Realforce 104UG high profile board. Wow, what a difference. I really like the extra tactility although it's much louder than before, and that's taking some getting used to. I think that has something to do with the top of the dome having a cutout, rather than being solid rubber.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: the pokemon kid on Tue, 12 December 2017, 17:24:11
i bet 65g or 70g would be popular

just due to the popularity of 78g springs for MX

I am usually using either 85cN switches or 72g switches and the heavy topre domes are more fatiguing than those.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: salvanipour on Sun, 17 December 2017, 23:10:48
i bet 65g or 70g would be popular

just due to the popularity of 78g springs for MX

I am usually using either 85cN switches or 72g switches and the heavy topre domes are more fatiguing than those.

100%. Iíve typed on heavy Zealios and theyíre nothing compared to these heavies. I think 60g is conservative and the force required is up there with buckling springs.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: AdrianMan on Mon, 18 December 2017, 09:31:11
When will they be available for sale? I'm interested in some medium ones...
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Rumblehotep on Mon, 18 December 2017, 19:45:57
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Ouster on Tue, 19 December 2017, 08:14:28
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?
I think as always it comes down to personal preference. I love the light BKE domes in my HHKB but they feel even better on my Hi-Pro. I've kept the stock domes in my Realforce RGB and they don't feel "worse" just different than the BKE domes, the stock Topre domes now feel very light and smooth where the BKE are absurdly tactile and fun.

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Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: kmba on Tue, 19 December 2017, 08:51:56
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?

anything with standard 55g domes. 
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 22 December 2017, 23:05:44
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?

55g is still vast preference, but BKE heavy has certainly become a cult favorite
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Hyde on Sat, 23 December 2017, 13:10:09
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?

55g is still vast preference, but BKE heavy has certainly become a cult favorite

I still find 55g too heavy, hopefully the new BKE super light will be a good replacement for 45g domes.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 29 December 2017, 12:12:03
Couldnít decide if I wanted to mess with my stock 55g RF board so i did what any sane person would do... I bought another 87u and some light domes.  Brilliant, right?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Hyde on Sun, 31 December 2017, 17:18:06
Couldnít decide if I wanted to mess with my stock 55g RF board so i did what any sane person would do... I bought another 87u and some light domes.  Brilliant, right?

LOL just like what a true geekhacker would do.  Personally I'm waiting on the extra light domes before I jump on the mod wagon.

Normally I use 45g and that's my comfort weight.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: dyrdevil on Fri, 05 January 2018, 23:59:50
Damn, it looks like the ultralight samples are sold out! How did I miss it?? Are you planning on stocking more??
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 06 January 2018, 10:30:30
Damn, it looks like the ultralight samples are sold out! How did I miss it?? Are you planning on stocking more??

they haven't come in stock yet
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: dyrdevil on Sun, 07 January 2018, 06:46:54
Damn, it looks like the ultralight samples are sold out! How did I miss it?? Are you planning on stocking more??

they haven't come in stock yet

That is great to hear!
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Fadamaque on Tue, 09 January 2018, 05:03:29
Does this mean that the full sets of the ultra lights havenít come in yet as well?  Very keen to order a set for my 87u. Whatís the actuation force on the ultra lights?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: tragedyfoundus on Tue, 09 January 2018, 09:45:22
Yeah, I missed out on the Extreme variant. All sold out. :( I hope you guys restock them, I'm dying to test them!
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: graefeln on Tue, 09 January 2018, 10:31:18
Yeah, I missed out on the Extreme variant. All sold out. :( I hope you guys restock them, I'm dying to test them!

They haven't been stocked yet. I am thinking they are just preparing the page for when they do... he posted pictures of them on Instagram recently.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: tragedyfoundus on Tue, 09 January 2018, 11:05:27
Ah that makes sense. I just assumed since they were on the product page and said sold out. Thanks for the info though! I'll be picking up a set when they're finally for sale.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: sodiumjoe on Wed, 17 January 2018, 13:20:18
Any news on when the Ultra Lights will go live?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: graefeln on Wed, 17 January 2018, 13:40:33
Any news on when the Ultra Lights will go live?

Tomorrow at 1900 PST.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: t4n6 on Thu, 18 January 2018, 13:37:31
Is the ultra-light & extreme sampler going to be made available later today as well? And if so, how many of each dome will be included?

I wanted to put some of the extreme ones into any modifiers that were 2u or larger, especially since I have an artisan spacebar that's a quite a bit heavier than a standard spacebar.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Rumblehotep on Thu, 18 January 2018, 21:13:49
Is the ultra-light & extreme sampler going to be made available later today as well? And if so, how many of each dome will be included?

I wanted to put some of the extreme ones into any modifiers that were 2u or larger, especially since I have an artisan spacebar that's a quite a bit heavier than a standard spacebar.
Looks like 5 of each for $7
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Erikdayo on Fri, 19 January 2018, 05:47:15
ordered my ultra light domes. should be nice! might keep the light instead of ultra light for the space bar. Not sure.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Fadamaque on Fri, 19 January 2018, 06:07:56
Ordered a set of ultra lights as well. Can’t wait!

Edit: English is tough...
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: atectatifern on Sat, 20 January 2018, 14:33:53
Ordered my extreme domes. Starting a finger exercise program as we speak.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Lepidus on Sat, 20 January 2018, 15:29:09

We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.

Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy

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I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.

Are Medium domes still happening? Since Extreme and Super Light are already on the shop, and nothing about the Medium variant was mentioned since this post, was it cancelled? I'm not really sure if I want Light or Heavy.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 25 January 2018, 15:46:37
Finally got around to putting my light domes in.  I do like the feel.  The sound change is not the best, but I can live with it.  However, I need some advice.  I've had the damn thing apart 3 times now trying to fix sticky keys.  Why do keys stick sometimes?  Is it spring placement?  Has the dome moved?

You see, I cannot really troubleshoot it b/c every time I open it up, everything gets displaced.  I cannot see how things were when it was not working.  So, I try my best to line everything up again.  This time I think I only have 1 sticky key.  Unfortunately it is Escape.  The key only sticks if you press it firmly.  Normal typing will not cause keys to stick.

Any ideas what causing the sticking?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Erikdayo on Thu, 25 January 2018, 15:54:29
How does everything get displaced when you open it? Are you not keeping the top part of the case upside down for some reason?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 25 January 2018, 15:59:26
How does everything get displaced when you open it? Are you not keeping the top part of the case upside down for some reason?

yes, but some of the domes stick to the PCB when I pull it off.  (probably 1/4 of them)
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Erikdayo on Thu, 25 January 2018, 18:39:00
Sorry if I came across harshly. I know what you mean now. Iím currently swapping from light to ultra light and all but 5 domes stuck to the PCB on my FC660C.

Edit: That said. I didn't experience any issues. Didn't with the first dome swap either. Make sure the part with the keycaps and sliders is upside down and raised up so that the keycaps/sliders won't move at all. Are you making sure everything is perfectly lined up and all the springs are secure inside the domes before placing the PCB over it? Along with making sure you've already lined up the PCB with screw holes before you place it over the domes.

After that I put all the screws in gently starting from the center and didn't crank them down. Then I turn them all a little tighter. And then a little tighter once more. This is while ensuring I'm pretty gentle. I'd hate to screw something in too tightly and damage the PCB. I'm not sure I'm doing everything optimally, but I am doing it well enough that I haven't had any issues with either dome swap.

If you have any more questions and ideas about what you might be doing differently feel free to share. Good luck!
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Hyde on Fri, 26 January 2018, 10:29:52
I was talking with someone from this thread that had modded his too, he said you have to make sure everything line up perfectly.

Also on top of it if you hypersphere rings it have higher chance of things screw up because the BKE domes are actually a tiny bit taller than the stock Topre domes, so Topre domes had more room for you to shove things in.  BKE domes were kind of exact height as is and shoving more things might compress it too much.

Though I don't know if KBDFan rings would work or not since those are thinner.  But I'm not too sure if that's your case since you didn't mention anything about silencing.

Back then when I do the swap I had to make some kind of rig to prop up the keyboard so all of the sliders are fully extended and none are compressed.

Let us know how it goes and good luck!  I also ordered ultra light so once I get them I'll let you guys know.


EDIT:   Erikdayo would share your typing experience with the ultra light domes?  :D
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: robbles on Fri, 26 January 2018, 10:41:17
I had issues with sticky domes as well. I came to the conclusion it was because some of the domes have leftover material in the cutouts on the sides, causing the domes to be pushed off center. If you look close you can see some of them are kind of webbed with extra rubber that wasn't removed during manufacturing. Make sure you cut this off so the domes sit flush with the pegs and center properly. This in combination with the domes being taller than stock, means you have to be almost perfect when inserting them. Especially if you are using silencing rings.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 26 January 2018, 13:43:45
Thanks for the feedback, guys.  I also ordered some ultralights so I swapped them in today.  No sticky domes this time.  I'm thinking it was related to the extra material on the edge of the domes as you mentioned.  I had previously trimmed it on several of the light domes, but the extra rubber was present on about 50% of them, and I didn't get it all.

In contrast, the ultralights have hardly any extra material around the cutouts.   Also, since they are much thinner overall, the extra material that IS present doesn't seem to cause fitment issues.

My opinion of the lights vs the ultralights


My topre board is a Realforce 87u 55g uniform.  Out of the box, it is nice but a bit stiff right at the top of the keypress. It's something that I easily got used to, but after being on MX boards and returning to it, I would always have a small readjustment period. I usually prefer a 60g - 68g MX switch (Favorites are Gateron black and Zeal 67).

I liked the sharp pop of the light domes, but they were just too fatiguing.  I felt like they were making my finger tips numb after just a few paragraphs (not from pressing, but from the tactile vibration).  It's a great idea, but not for me.

These ultralights feel better in weight to me.  Something like a 62g Zealio but with slightly more tactile bump at the top.  If you aren't familiar with that switch, keep in mind that 62g is the bottom out force, overall it is a light switch.

My only experience with a 45g Topre switch was a Novatouch and I sold it so I can't do a direct comparison.  However, from what I recall,  the ultralights are on par with the 45g uniform boards but with a more tactile experience.  Also, quite a bit louder.

Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: eksuen on Fri, 26 January 2018, 14:02:32
Thanks for the feedback, guys.  I also ordered some ultralights so I swapped them in today.  No sticky domes this time.  I'm thinking it was related to the extra material on the edge of the domes as you mentioned.  I had previously trimmed it on several of the light domes, but the extra rubber was present on about 50% of them, and I didn't get it all.

In contrast, the ultralights have hardly any extra material around the cutouts.   Also, since they are much thinner overall, the extra material that IS present doesn't seem to cause fitment issues.

My opinion of the lights vs the ultralights


My topre board is a Realforce 87u 55g uniform.  Out of the box, it is nice but a bit stiff right at the top of the keypress. It's something that I easily got used to, but after being on MX boards and returning to it, I would always have a small readjustment period. I usually prefer a 60g - 68g MX switch (Favorites are Gateron black and Zeal 67).

I liked the sharp pop of the light domes, but they were just too fatiguing.  I felt like they were making my finger tips numb after just a few paragraphs (not from pressing, but from the tactile vibration).  It's a great idea, but not for me.

These ultralights feel better in weight to me.  Something like a 62g Zealio but with slightly more tactile bump at the top.  If you aren't familiar with that switch, keep in mind that 62g is the bottom out force, overall it is a light switch.

My only experience with a 45g Topre switch was a Novatouch and I sold it so I can't do a direct comparison.  However, from what I recall,  the ultralights are on par with the 45g uniform boards but with a more tactile experience.  Also, quite a bit louder.

Thanks for posting your impressions. I was hoping the Ultralights would be closer to 55g domes than the Lights. ~62g is probably just a tad too light for my taste. I guess I'll have to wait to try some at a meetup to know for sure.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Erikdayo on Fri, 26 January 2018, 15:05:34
Maybe itís because I havenít felt the stock 45g domes in a while, but the ultra lights feel like theyíre probably around stock weight to me except just a bit more tactile. Probably not as quiet as stock but definitely much quieter than the light variation. 
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Hyde on Fri, 26 January 2018, 15:27:53
Awesome, that's re-assuring actually haha.

Since my goal is to find replacement for my 45g domes so now I can't wait for their arrival!  :D

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: sodiumjoe on Mon, 29 January 2018, 22:48:43
I'll second that, the ultralights feel very similar to stock 45g (I have two fc660cs to compare side by side). I've done a variable layout with ultralights and lights and it's fantastic. Thanks for the awesome work, jchan!
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Lansky on Tue, 30 January 2018, 05:44:30
...

Also on top of it if you hypersphere rings it have higher chance of things screw up because the BKE domes are actually a tiny bit taller than the stock Topre domes, so Topre domes had more room for you to shove things in.  BKE domes were kind of exact height as is and shoving more things might compress it too much.

...

I can confirm this. I had Hypersphere's installed when I was swapping in my BKE heavies and it was quite difficult to get the domes properly seated to avoid sticky keys. I did manage to get it them all seated correctly, but I had to take it apart like 6-7 times which was pretty frustrating. So for those who are planning on installing BKE domes on a board with Hyperspheres - be patient and keep calm.  :D
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Hyde on Wed, 31 January 2018, 11:05:36
I got the ultra light!!! Here are some quick facts for those that are on the fence of buying it.

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1. The purple is very pretty haha look at the pictures!!!
2. The middle dome is taller than stock Topre dome and the bottom sheet area is also a tiny bit thicker than Topre sheet.
3. The area where base of spring sits is a tiny bit smaller too, Topre dome have extra groove for the last coil of spring.
4. Topre dome have maybe a 1 mm padded middle and BKE is hollowed out.
5. Yes the weight is close to 45g Topre, although the force curve is different, Topre has a wider smoother bump while BKE has a sharper tactile bump then the force fall off quickly after it collapse. Topre retain the force a bit more after dome collapse.
6. BKE sounds more high pitched while Topre sound deeper.
7. Overall I think because I ordered BKE Ultra Light weight so I find the tactility while is more than 45g Topre but wasn't too drastically different, maybe that's why keyclack were pushing BKE Light as the main weight (though some find it fatiguing).


All things considered, it's a different experience.

I think for me this removes too much of things I loved about Topre (The smooth and deep Topre thock) so this is not for me.

But I can see why some people will love this and I still appreciate keyclack for bring this option into the Topre world. This will open up a lot of future modding opportunities.

Let me know if you guys have any questions.

:)
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 03 February 2018, 18:02:27
I got the ultra light!!! Here are some quick facts for those that are on the fence of buying it.

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1. The purple is very pretty haha look at the pictures!!!
2. The middle dome is taller than stock Topre dome and the bottom sheet area is also a tiny bit thicker than Topre sheet.
3. The area where base of spring sits is a tiny bit smaller too, Topre dome have extra groove for the last coil of spring.
4. Topre dome have maybe a 1 mm padded middle and BKE is hollowed out.
5. Yes the weight is close to 45g Topre, although the force curve is different, Topre has a wider smoother bump while BKE has a sharper tactile bump then the force fall off quickly after it collapse. Topre retain the force a bit more after dome collapse.
6. BKE sounds more high pitched while Topre sound deeper.
7. Overall I think because I ordered BKE Ultra Light weight so I find the tactility while is more than 45g Topre but wasn't too drastically different, maybe that's why keyclack were pushing BKE Light as the main weight (though some find it fatiguing).


All things considered, it's a different experience.

I think for me this removes too much of things I loved about Topre (The smooth and deep Topre thock) so this is not for me.

But I can see why some people will love this and I still appreciate keyclack for bring this option into the Topre world. This will open up a lot of future modding opportunities.

Let me know if you guys have any questions.

:)

Glad you enjoy them. They're my current favorite on my FC660C
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Erikdayo on Sat, 17 February 2018, 17:01:31
Really happy with the dampeners. Installed mine last night. Using them with BKE Redux ultra lights. Both Shift keys, Enter, and Delete on my FC660C don't get dampened as well as the other keys, but it's still improved. Overall the keyboard sounds lot nicer and more quiet now. Seems like these dampeners didn't really affect the feel either. Still feels great.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: totallycaked on Sun, 18 February 2018, 09:03:57
The KBDFans silence-x rings are driving me nuts, they come up through the switch all the damn time and I have to shove them back in with a razor blade. I ordered some keyclack silencing rings and I'm eager to see if they fix this issue. It took so long to install those rings I'm not looking forward to doing it again...
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Konjungamo on Sun, 18 February 2018, 09:25:17
Really happy with the dampeners. Installed mine last night. Using them with BKE Redux ultra lights. Both Shift keys, Enter, and Delete on my FC660C don't get dampened as well as the other keys, but it's still improved. Overall the keyboard sounds lot nicer and more quiet now. Seems like these dampeners didn't really affect the feel either. Still feels great.

Were those your first silencing rings or can you compare them to Silence-X or Hyperfuse rings?
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Konjungamo on Sun, 18 February 2018, 09:27:06
The KBDFans silence-x rings are driving me nuts, they come up through the switch all the damn time and I have to shove them back in with a razor blade. I ordered some keyclack silencing rings and I'm eager to see if they fix this issue. It took so long to install those rings I'm not looking forward to doing it again...

What board are you using them on? I've heard that story of the rings coming up so many times now but haven't been affected by this at all so farÖ

Hope the keyclack rings fix this for you
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: kmba on Sun, 18 February 2018, 09:59:24
KeyClack rings are superior to KBDFans.  They're similar thickness, but due to the added surface are on the keyclack rings, they provide better sound dampening and won't ride up the slider or stick to the plate.   
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: totallycaked on Sun, 18 February 2018, 13:25:24
The KBDFans silence-x rings are driving me nuts, they come up through the switch all the damn time and I have to shove them back in with a razor blade. I ordered some keyclack silencing rings and I'm eager to see if they fix this issue. It took so long to install those rings I'm not looking forward to doing it again...

What board are you using them on? I've heard that story of the rings coming up so many times now but haven't been affected by this at all so farÖ

Hope the keyclack rings fix this for you

I'm using a Novatouch. I've also only experienced this happening to specific keys, not across the board. My 'C' key is the worst, I think the ring got twisted somehow and won't reset itself on the slider. I probably notice this one the most because I use C all the time in video games and the slider getting stuck has killed me several times. There's only about 4 or 5 rings that are doing this, but I can't seem to fix them without disassembling the board.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: dyrdevil on Mon, 19 February 2018, 01:31:23
All loaded up
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Koatl on Sat, 17 March 2018, 02:44:56
So the silencing rings are sold out, or just not available yet?

If this is off topic, I apologize and request someone refer me to the proper thread. Couldn't find one.

Also, for sure on topic: I love these heavy domes so much. Oddly enough they feel by far the best on my Plum 87 with Tai Hao Miami. Not sure what it is, but it works. Feels better than on a Realforce 91u and Realforce RGB.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Lansky on Sat, 17 March 2018, 05:14:08
So the silencing rings are sold out, or just not available yet?

They're making a new version of the silencing rings. The first version had issues (too thin and could get stuck in the switch housing). The new ones will have an adhesive side and will be slightly thicker.

JChan said they'll be shipping out later in March.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Erikdayo on Mon, 19 March 2018, 07:54:30
I haven't had issues the silencers, but adhesive + slightly thicker does sound nice. Then again it's a lot of work to pop out all the sliders and put in new silencing rings. hmm.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Lansky on Mon, 19 March 2018, 10:39:25
I haven't had issues the silencers, but adhesive + slightly thicker does sound nice. Then again it's a lot of work to pop out all the sliders and put in new silencing rings. hmm.

The V2's will be sent out to all of those who previously purchased the V1's, free of charge.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: elcubismo on Mon, 19 March 2018, 23:03:42
Has there been an update on when it's shipping? Been holding off on putting in the BKE Redux domes for my Novatouch, but I'm wondering if I should just use the hyperspheres I already have installed since I'm going to a meetup this Saturday.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Wed, 21 March 2018, 16:29:57
Has there been an update on when it's shipping? Been holding off on putting in the BKE Redux domes for my Novatouch, but I'm wondering if I should just use the hyperspheres I already have installed since I'm going to a meetup this Saturday.
In my opinion it'd be a better idea to just hold off on taking it until you get everything in the mail. There's always the next meetup after all!  ;)
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Marcqtp on Tue, 22 May 2018, 16:30:33
Hi - firstly thanks to JChan & team for designing these tactile domes - they are of excellent quality and definitely change the entire feel of the board. Wanted to provide my experience/2cents to the discussion here... hoping it's the correct place as well.

I recently acquired my first Topre board, a beautiful RF/Topre RGB, a much needed upgrade from my ~5-6 year old Das Keyboard Pro 3 w/ MX Cherry Blues. The stock Topre domes that comes with the RGB are really smooth and provide a very pleasant typing experience with a lovely "thunk" sound to them, but for some reason I felt I was missing that tactile "click" I had previously with the MX blues. Although I was I was beginning to fall in love with Topre typing experience (& the damped but sweet sound), it still felt as if I was missing something. After playing around with the APC and realizing that it wouldn't be able to add that tactile feel with it, I decided to look elsewhere and stumbled on a suggestion to try dome swapping to the BKE Redux domes. I ordered two sample packs: BKE Redux Heavies & Light domes and decided to go with a Heavy 70 set (110 was sold-out still sadly as well as all silencing ring options) as I figured they would provide a more tactile experience - the lights are nice, just felt heavies may be better for me.

Feedback on BKE Heavy's on RF/Topre RGB: After receiving the domes going through the process of removing the board, manually cutting & fitting the domes to avoid the LEDs (more on that below), and putting the board back together... twice (few domes didn't sit 100% correctly after the first install), I got to experience the fruits of my labor... and man it definitely makes a huge change to the Topre experience. Firstly, the tactile click is very apparent with these in comparison to the stock domes in both the actual feeling of hitting the keys, as well as the sound from the board. I think this is an excellent improvement to the clicky-ness of the keys themselves as well as making them feel noticeably heavier when typing on them. While the sound they provide matches the feel they give you, they do alter the "thunk" a little with it being slightly overshadowed with the tactile 'click' sound. Secondly, the keys almost have a heavy 'stickyness' to them, making them a step up for heavy handed types such as myself over the stock domes... However, I am curious to see if lubing them would improve this slightly to make them have a smoother feel since the bump felt when pushing the keys down is very evident. Does anyone think this will reduce the tactility of them or should it provide the slightly smoother feel to these without ruining the main feature of them?

I do want to try the BKE Light domes as well, but I think I'm going to give a few more days of typing on the heavies to see how it goes. In my opinion, the heavier force on the keys & tactile feel the BKE Redux domes give the keys is perfect for typing in large amounts for long periods, as well as coding & general use. On the other hand, the BKE Redux lights & stock domes seem to have an advantage for gaming experiences since they are slightly easier to press & if quick one-taps are required, they definitely have a slight advantage over the heavies. (If only I could have two boards for each dome-feel). May update this thread over the next week or so to see if that changes since I've only been typing for a couple days on the heavies... may also commit to ordering the lights when they are back in stock.

The size-issue RGB board & BKE Redux domes: Now, this is the only thing I really didn't enjoy about my dome swapping experience. The BKE Redux domes themselves are slightly larger than the stock Topre domes found on the RF/Topre RGB board, which results in them having some real size issues when you account for the LEDs on the board itself, often resulting in dulling of the LEDs due to overlapping of the domes. I discovered this by placing the domes on the actual board to represent how they would sit under the switches, and it was clear a lot of the outside rubber would overlay on top of the LEDs for that key and usually overlap slightly on the LEDs for the keys below it. To combat this, I painstakingly had to individually cut, fit, and shaped the bottom of the rubber domes to prevent it from dulling the LEDs when the board was put back together. Not sure how hard this is on production's end, but would it be possible to have a secondary cut made to accommodate the LEDs without having to manually cut & fit each dome? While I love the feel of them, this definitely required a lot of extra time & effort to prevent the LED appearance from being altered and dramatically dulled.

I'll take the board apart soon and upload some pictures if people and/or KeyClack would like to see a bit more in detail as to what I am talking about. This isn't meant to be any hate, just offering some criticism & areas of improvements for perhaps the next edition of these. Speaking of, any chance we will be seeing restocks of the silencing rings etc soon? I've been monitoring the site often and haven't seen any restocks at all in recent weeks.

tl;dr Overall, I would highly recommend switching to BKE Redux domes if you're looking to give you a lot more of that tactile feel back to your Topre board without worrying too much about having a small increase in the clicky sound & slightly less of the "soft" thunk. Specific for the heavy domes, if you're a heavy handed typer these are definitely for you as they require much more force to bottom out versus touch typing on the redux light or stock domes. My only critiques/possible improvements would be making them a little more fitted, especially for the RGB board, since they do require you to physically cut the rubber on every single piece to completely avoid any overlap on the LEDs on the PCB. Also perhaps the ability to custom order by quantity each type of dome (albeit at a higher price similar to sample packs) to provide more customization for an individual's board (or try more than 5 domes at once before getting a full set).
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Erikdayo on Fri, 29 June 2018, 14:37:50
Switched back to stock domes after months. I have no idea which I prefer, but I'll stick with stock for now. BKE Redux are great though.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: the_marsbar on Fri, 06 July 2018, 01:28:19
I recently installed one of each in a Realforce 104, under the four keys located to the right of the spacebar (light -> heavy), with Hypersphere'd sliders from a HHKB Pro 2. The ultra light dome feels quite similar to 45 g Topre domes IMO. The light dome feels somewhat heavier, maybe like 55 g Topre (I haven't tried those though)? I can't imagine that I'd like to install heavy or extreme domes in a full keyboard.

Note that since I only installed one of each, it's not really possible to draw any conclusions about how the domes would feel if they were installed in the entire keyboard.

I tried installing an ultra light, a light, and a heavy dome in my HHKB, but there I only liked the ultra light dome. So in my opinion, the feel of the domes will also depend on the keyboard they're used in.

In terms of installation, it's very hard to get right in one try. It's easy for the keys to somehow stick if they are depressed completely. I imagine it'd be a nightmare to install ~ 100 of them in the same keyboard.
Title: Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
Post by: Koatl on Thu, 07 February 2019, 21:55:56
Any chance for, or interest in, a special run of neon pink Extreme domes?