Author Topic: Realforce 86 (space saver model) (Read 41399 times)

zetan · « **Reply #50 on:** Mon, 25 August 2008, 23:09:39 »

Yes, I'm pretty sure. I talked with one of them recently. In addition, I heard that there is a shop in Japan that already started selling an 86 (though Topre hasn't officially released it yet). What I'm not sure though is whether there'll be an all-key 30g version of realforce 86, which is the one i REALLY want.

xsphat · « **Reply #51 on:** Mon, 25 August 2008, 23:33:55 »

I can not wait. I sold my HHKB Pro 2 and I need me some Topre capacitive love.

victheslik · « **Reply #52 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 00:24:54 »

victheslik · « **Reply #53 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 00:31:32 »

victheslik · « **Reply #54 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 00:38:17 »

xsphat · « **Reply #55 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 01:40:51 »

Quote from: victheslik;7932

Sorry for posting again, but you have got to check out the title of this review

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ko&u=http://www.pcline.co.kr/bbs/bbs/board.php%3Fbo_table%3Dreview_hw%26wr_id%3D585&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=6&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DRealforce%2B86%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*%26pwst%3D1

Scroll down to where the english starts and read the title, now you know with a title like that this keyboard has to be "pimpin" according to xsphat

-victheslik

I'm XsPhat, and I approve this message.

iMav · « **Reply #56 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 01:53:37 »

Quote from: victheslik;7931

http://www.buythekorea.com/buy/board.php?board=memberpage&command=shop&view=9_help&exe=items_write_form

So...when you ordering yours xsphat???

xsphat · « **Reply #57 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 01:57:44 »

As soon as my school money comes.

victheslik · « **Reply #58 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 02:00:49 »

xsphat · « **Reply #59 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 02:08:43 »

Depends. If it's available from Japan by the end of the second week of Sept. If it is, I'll go through a service I know about. If not, I may get f'ed over.

How did you hear about them? Do you know if they are ligit?

victheslik · « **Reply #60 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 02:16:42 »

xsphat · « **Reply #61 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 02:26:07 »

Quote from: victheslik;7938

So yeah would you like to answer the question I posted above kekek

-victheslik

What is this, an interrogation?

zillidot · « **Reply #62 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 06:11:54 »

Stumbled across this a moment ago, looks like it's finally arrived in Japan:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vshopu.com%2Fitem%2F2088-2004%2Findex.html&sl=ja&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

I hope they release the same keyboard in black!

graywolf · « **Reply #63 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 10:54:32 »

Quote from: zillidot;7944

Stumbled across this a moment ago, looks like it's finally arrived in Japan:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vshopu.com%2Fitem%2F2088-2004%2Findex.html&sl=ja&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

I hope they release the same keyboard in black!

$199, better grab one. Oops, don't have $200 bucks. It does look like a modernized version of the IBM Space Saver doesn't it?

Earlier in this thread there were some comments complaining about stuff like this and the HHKB not being available in the USA.
The most obvious reason is that American corporations are not interested in selling anything that they can not make $100 million at. So niche markets go unfilled. The second is that economically the USA is now a **** hole, most so called industrialized nations have higher wages. Third, in consumer goods we get the crap. Cheap junk. Hell did you know they are making fuel cell power mopeds in China. Japan had wrist watch cel-phones 20 years ago. Europe and the western rim of the Pacific get a lot of high tech stuff we never see. We are living in the past and 99% of us do not even have a clue, we think we have the highest standard of living and the bleeding edge of technology. Instead we have Bush.

Sorry, I get carried away sometimes. But I submit that the only way to solve a problem is to first admit you have it, pretending you don't is about the most stupid thing you can do.

bigpook · « **Reply #64 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 11:26:47 »

lol, : ) tell us how you really feel. I agree with you though. The rest of the world seems to be moving forward while the US goes on empire building.....living in the past.

Ulysses31 · « **Reply #65 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 11:42:19 »

Imagine the US the way you described but with lazier uglier people and you've got Great Britain lol. We're getting a lot more imported American products this last decade or so. Unreliable cars, disgusting chemical-tasting processed foods of every description - you name it, we get it, and people lap it up! They love that stuff here, so if you think YOU'VE got it bad, feel sorry for us V_V.

lowpoly · « **Reply #66 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 11:57:31 »

Where I live you can't even buy the Nerf Vulcan.

victheslik · « **Reply #67 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 12:22:28 »

itlnstln · « **Reply #68 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 12:43:44 »

Quote from: sofa king;7954

Where I live you can't even buy the Nerf Vulcan.

Nerf Vulcan = Win

I wish we had those when I was a kid. The coolest thing that had come out from Nerf was the bow and arrow, but that was after I had grown out of that and started playing sports (still, nothing beats a wet nerf football for pain

).

Waves77 · « **Reply #69 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 13:22:22 »

As a european living in the US i can say we don't have it much better technology wise, although I would say we have less low quality stuff, we still don't get all the cool gizmos asian people can get their hands on, plus a lot of our prices are higher and it's not strange to see a $200 item solds for 200 EUR (at current exchange almost a %50 markup), although that's getting better.

Bluemercury · « **Reply #70 on:** Tue, 26 August 2008, 16:24:45 »

So whats the difference between this and HHKp2 switches?

victheslik · « **Reply #71 on:** Wed, 27 August 2008, 02:12:55 »

lowpoly · « **Reply #72 on:** Wed, 27 August 2008, 07:25:01 »

The Dharma Tactical came up before:

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=556

This looks like a Topre OEM product. They've done it before (OEM).

victheslik · « **Reply #73 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 00:14:36 »

Freyth · « **Reply #74 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 00:54:33 »

Quote from: victheslik;7998

e.e; my bad well anyways link on ebay you can buy your realforce now... just not in black with the cool red escape (sorry for bad structure and punctuation in a hurry)

http://cgi.ebay.com/English-Keyboard-Realforce86U-SE0500_W0QQitemZ260280040901QQihZ016QQcategoryZ130740QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hope that helps some of you guys that are impatient unless you like the white one nevermind go for it

-victheslik

Pricey...

Skarekrow · « **Reply #75 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 04:11:08 »

grr, they need to hurry and release the black one. And Benippon needs to hurry and get plenty of them in stock.

xsphat · « **Reply #76 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 04:35:50 »

Black shmack, I'm all about the white — it matches all my other keyboards except one, and it is my preferred color scheme.

Ulysses31 · « **Reply #77 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 05:50:08 »

Pff, white. BLACK POWER! BLACK POWER! Only Apple persists with mostly white computers and even those are being phased out for silver. Most professional systems, workstations and servers, are black. It looks slick (doesn't show dirt as much).

itlnstln · « **Reply #78 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 07:33:51 »

Quote

doesn't show dirt as much

I have to dust my black PC components almost daily, because it is so easy to see. My keyboards I still dust daily out of cleanliness and respect

, but, since they are old-school beige, hardly show dirt at all.

itlnstln · « **Reply #79 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 07:47:17 »

Quote from: victheslik;7998

e.e; my bad well anyways link on ebay you can buy your realforce now... just not in black with the cool red escape (sorry for bad structure and punctuation in a hurry)

http://cgi.ebay.com/English-Keyboard-Realforce86U-SE0500_W0QQitemZ260280040901QQihZ016QQcategoryZ130740QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hope that helps some of you guys that are impatient unless you like the white one nevermind go for it

-victheslik

Quote from: Freyth;8000

Pricey...

QFT. I went perusing their ebay store, and, while I understand everything comes from the Empire of Nippon*, everything is damn expensive.

*For some reason, we referred to Japan as having an empire when playing Axis and Allies, and the name just stuck in my head.

Bluemercury · « **Reply #80 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 09:17:26 »

Whats the difference between this keyboard switches and hhkpro2 ones?

itlnstln · « **Reply #81 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 09:22:10 »

This one has a lighter keypress than the HHKB; 30g., I think. I don't think this model has the variable-weight switches for the different fingers; I think that is the 96 model.

Bluemercury · « **Reply #82 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 10:08:27 »

Well the price range is not very far from the hhkp2.

graywolf · « **Reply #83 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 12:06:14 »

Quote from: Freyth;8000

Pricey...

About the same as a HHKBP2 by the time you get it to your door in the USA. And you get 16 more keys for the same price.

Freyth · « **Reply #84 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 12:54:08 »

Actually I was referring to the price of the keyboard sold on eBay which is about $280, way more than what the HHKB Pro2 costs.

xsphat · « **Reply #85 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 13:28:33 »

Quote from: Ulysses31;8005

Pff, white. BLACK POWER! BLACK POWER! Only Apple persists with mostly white computers and even those are being phased out for silver. Most professional systems, workstations and servers, are black. It looks slick (doesn't show dirt as much).

Yeah, come to think of it, there isn't a single thing on Earth that comes in any color than black. Face it, silver is ugly and black is for elitists and goths.

JK.

I favor all colors above black. I don't even own any black clothes except for socks. So, all the HHKB keyboards I've owned have been bought used and are f'ing black. I hate it.

parisnight · « **Reply #86 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 14:04:30 »

I'm no fan of black. I really like beige. I'm typing on a beige mush board right now and my pants are beige. Black is so passe. Think Bill Gates and you'll just know style.

Ulysses31 · « **Reply #87 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 14:33:09 »

Sadly you don't get a lot of choices other than black and white. OK, pure white is quite nice but that creamy evaporated-milk beige is just nasty. It's the colour of plastic that has aged and/or become dirty. As for other colours, there used to be certain "professional" level machines in the past that came in subtle blues and greens (like SGI stuff) but they're long gone. I don't think I could live with a harlequin computer. For keyboards I could make some exceptions, such as those lovely keyboards designed for Photoshop/AVID etc where each key represents a shortcut and has its own colour. That, and those lovely Filco/Topres that have a nice little red Escape key. Trouble is I don't know which models come with the extra red keys. iMav has the Tenkeyless which has those. I suspect it may be N-Key Rollover types that come with extras but i'm not sure.

itlnstln · « **Reply #88 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 14:40:31 »

I wish my keyboard was black, but, IMO, if you are using vintage* keyboards, they seem to look best in classic beige. I like the asthetics of some of the newer boards (not just mechanical), but for many of them, asthetics is all there is to them.

*It's funny to think that I am calling keyboards a little over 10 years old "vintage." I guess age is relative to the subject.

xsphat · « **Reply #89 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 14:49:16 »

Just when does vintage start for electronics? I have no problem thinking of Apple pre-G3 era stuff as vintage, and I know my Model Ms and the Northgate are.

parisnight · « **Reply #90 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 15:01:27 »

Quote from: Ulysses31;8033

OK, pure white is quite nice but that creamy evaporated-milk beige is just nasty. It's the colour of plastic that has aged and/or become dirty.

That fits my definition of vintage*. I have a lot of vintage*. I'm vintage*.

graywolf · « **Reply #91 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 15:14:37 »

Another bit of inanity.

Why were the original IBM PC's beige?

Because they expected to sell them to executives, and executives would not have black stuff on or around their desk. The secretary's typewriter and telephone were black and they did not want to be mistaken for a secretary. Ah, the wonders of market research, and the changes since 1981.

parisnight · « **Reply #92 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 15:38:04 »

I think of black as a byproduct of the little black dress which was late 80s, 30 years ago. Speaking of dream keyboards and mashing of eras, what would be the reaction to the IBM BS space-saver but in black. Frankenstein or a dream keyboard cooler than the Realforce 86.

bigpook · « **Reply #93 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 17:40:34 »

I would say that a IBM BS spaceaver in black with 2 piece key caps would be an excellent idea.

bhtooefr · « **Reply #94 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 18:27:34 »

Pure white annoys me, it shows dirt too easily.

(My iBook looks filthy, my ThinkPad (which is dirtier) looks cleaner.)

And, a black keyboard tends to blend in better with modern computer equipment, but other than that, I don't really care.

xsphat · « **Reply #95 on:** Thu, 28 August 2008, 19:48:03 »

I want a Ferrari red case for my M mini and hot pink 2-piece keys. Next to it would be a bucket for the intermittent vomiting.

graywolf · « **Reply #96 on:** Fri, 29 August 2008, 11:50:08 »

Quote from: parisnight;8041

I think of black as a byproduct of the little black dress which was late 80s, 30 years ago. Speaking of dream keyboards and mashing of eras, what would be the reaction to the IBM BS space-saver but in black. Frankenstein or a dream keyboard cooler than the Realforce 86.

It is called the Space Saver II. It is RD rather than BS, but most people would not know the difference, it did not sell all that well as far as I know. there is a guy with 40-50 new ones for sale on eBay.

victheslik · « **Reply #97 on:** Fri, 29 August 2008, 14:17:24 »

xsphat · « **Reply #98 on:** Fri, 29 August 2008, 14:22:10 »

I got the same kind of email a month ago. They know that a chit ton of us Americans are really down with getting one of these, so I expect them to add it to their site as soon as it comes out.

And look on the bright side, Vic, it's not month we'll have to wait, it's only about three weeks ...

And I think Topre keyboards come with extra keys, like a ctrl sized caps lock and caps lock sized control and a red esc.

Expect this keyboard, this pimpin' keyboard, to be in the price range of the HHKB Pro 2.

Ulysses31 · « **Reply #99 on:** Fri, 29 August 2008, 14:32:04 »

Who knows, maybe that Filco Tenkeyless will come back in stock by then too. Competition!

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Author Topic: Realforce 86 (space saver model) (Read 41399 times)