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Offline wcass

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New Buckling Spring Design
« on: Tue, 03 March 2015, 23:06:40 »

Big Blue Saw (waterjet and laser cut service) is sponsoring a "Spring" design contest and I entered. I collected a bunch of ideas that i had discarded when designing the XTant - but i feel these ideas may have merit in a new project. Contest money will help pay for a lot of it, so I hope that you will consider voting for a project to make a new buckling spring keyboard even if you don't love all of the ideas i plan to try out.


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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 03 March 2015, 23:29:54 »
Good luck man! You always do amazing stuff!
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 04 March 2015, 00:53:13 »
I voted for ya.
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 04 March 2015, 10:53:31 »
I would vote for you, but it would require I sign up for facebook.
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 05:25:42 »
Voted and shared! Best of luck! Looking forward to this materialising into something substantial.
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 08:11:35 »
Definitely interested in seeing what you come up with wcass!!
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 13:06:08 »
Voted!
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 13:17:50 »
I voted for ya cause you definitely deserve this (even if I am sad about the choice for M vs F :p), but it would be a great step anyway!
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Offline wcass

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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 18:38:22 »
Thanks, guys.

I knew that going M would not be popular, but thought it worth exploring. I would like to have something to send to KeyCon.
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 06 March 2015, 08:48:21 »
Voted for ya, uphill battle with the votes, the Brass Knuckles I mean bike multi tool is racking up those votes. Anyways if I read correctly most votes doesn't necessarily win.
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Offline wcass

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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 18 March 2015, 23:42:10 »

Thanks for the support, guys. I am one of the finalists in Big Blue Saw's "Spring" design contest. Results to be announced Friday. Design details at the link below.
http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/new-buckling-spring-design-t10234.html
« Last Edit: Wed, 18 March 2015, 23:46:50 by wcass »
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 19 March 2015, 10:07:01 »
Quote from: wcass on Wed, 18 March 2015, 23:42:10

Thanks for the support, guys. I am one of the finalists in Big Blue Saw's "Spring" design contest. Results to be announced Friday. Design details at the link below.
http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/new-buckling-spring-design-t10234.html

Awesome! I hope you win wcass. If there's anything we can do to sway the vote, please let us know.  :thumb:
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:12:49 »
65% layout with backlighting?
Flat profile?
Custom case?
Thumb buttons?!
BUCKLING SPRING?!?!?!?!?!?

ALL HAIL WCASS. PRESIDENT FOR LIFE OF GEEKHACK
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:14:58 »
Quote from: CPTBadAss on Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:12:49
65% layout with backlighting?
Flat profile?
Custom case?
Thumb buttons?!
BUCKLING SPRING?!?!?!?!?!?

ALL HAIL WCASS. PRESIDENT FOR LIFE OF GEEKHACK

Seriously this is awesome! Hope it wins!
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 19 March 2015, 17:07:14 »
can't wait to see the newest protos at keycon!
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 19 March 2015, 17:12:47 »
Quote from: CPTBadAss on Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:12:49
65% layout with backlighting?
Flat profile?
Custom case?
Thumb buttons?
BUCKLING SPRING?


Screw that jive-ass crap.

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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 20 March 2015, 05:48:29 »
Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 19 March 2015, 17:12:47
Screw that jive-ass crap.

Model F components - SSK layout - with Windows keys - native USB / Teensy programming - Industrial color

It's ok to be scared of things that are new and different fohat.digs. I won't judge you too much for it. And besides, isn't that what Xtant is for?
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 20 March 2015, 10:11:18 »
Quote from: CPTBadAss on Fri, 20 March 2015, 05:48:29
Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 19 March 2015, 17:12:47
Screw that jive-ass crap.

Model F components - SSK layout - with Windows keys - native USB / Teensy programming - Industrial color

It's ok to be scared of things that are new and different fohat.digs. I won't judge you too much for it. And besides, isn't that what Xtant is for?


Hahahaha.
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 20 March 2015, 10:18:26 »
Quote from: CPTBadAss on Fri, 20 March 2015, 05:48:29
Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 19 March 2015, 17:12:47
Screw that jive-ass crap.

Model F components - SSK layout - with Windows keys - native USB / Teensy programming - Industrial color

It's ok to be scared of things that are new and different fohat.digs. I won't judge you too much for it. And besides, isn't that what Xtant is for?

But xtant is just step one.  I believe that project was mostly for PCB design while reusing as much of the original donor board as feasible.  The next step comes with delving deeper into the custom buckling springs stuffs.  Personally, I feel that the end game would be F internals Ergo Dox with MX compatible stems.
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 20 March 2015, 19:53:44 »
HAH!
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 20 March 2015, 20:12:20 »

Quote from: wcass on Wed, 18 March 2015, 23:42:10

Thanks for the support, guys. I am one of the finalists in Big Blue Saw's "Spring" design contest. Results to be announced Friday. Design details at the link below.
http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/new-buckling-spring-design-t10234.html

Congrats dude! Hope to hear more good news!
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 20 March 2015, 21:55:59 »
Here is to hoping you make it through the finals.
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 25 March 2015, 07:58:44 »
Quote from: Melvang on Fri, 20 March 2015, 10:18:26
Quote from: CPTBadAss on Fri, 20 March 2015, 05:48:29
Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 19 March 2015, 17:12:47
Screw that jive-ass crap.

Model F components - SSK layout - with Windows keys - native USB / Teensy programming - Industrial color

It's ok to be scared of things that are new and different fohat.digs. I won't judge you too much for it. And besides, isn't that what Xtant is for?

But xtant is just step one.  I believe that project was mostly for PCB design while reusing as much of the original donor board as feasible.  The next step comes with delving deeper into the custom buckling springs stuffs.  Personally, I feel that the end game would be F internals Ergo Dox with MX compatible stems.

I long for something like this but it will probably be 20 years before it becomes reality!
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:17:34 »
Quote from: berserkfan on Wed, 25 March 2015, 07:58:44
Quote from: Melvang on Fri, 20 March 2015, 10:18:26
Quote from: CPTBadAss on Fri, 20 March 2015, 05:48:29
Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 19 March 2015, 17:12:47
Screw that jive-ass crap.

Model F components - SSK layout - with Windows keys - native USB / Teensy programming - Industrial color

It's ok to be scared of things that are new and different fohat.digs. I won't judge you too much for it. And besides, isn't that what Xtant is for?

But xtant is just step one.  I believe that project was mostly for PCB design while reusing as much of the original donor board as feasible.  The next step comes with delving deeper into the custom buckling springs stuffs.  Personally, I feel that the end game would be F internals Ergo Dox with MX compatible stems.

I long for something like this but it will probably be 20 years before it becomes reality!

I would love that.
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 14:02:27 »
wcass, sorry to hear you didn't win.  Your work is still good and I will still be keeping on eye on it  :thumb:
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 14:18:00 »
Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 19 March 2015, 17:12:47
Quote from: CPTBadAss on Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:12:49
65% layout with backlighting?
Flat profile?
Custom case?
Thumb buttons?
BUCKLING SPRING?


Screw that jive-ass crap.

Model F components - SSK layout - with Windows keys - native USB / Teensy programming - Industrial color



This would be nice!
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 17:48:06 »
Quote from: berserkfan on Wed, 25 March 2015, 07:58:44

I long for something like this but it will probably be 20 years before it becomes reality!

Dont be pessimistic, with enough cash and effort we could have this by the end of the year. It only requires people's time so far.

The hard part so far is making the plastic bits: Even if we "reuse" a unicomp barrel frame, plate, keycaps and case, we'd have to figure out how to make F hammers, so if you know anyone with an injection molding machine we can test different blends and get it working. We'd also need a few thousand for proper molds.
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 13 April 2015, 21:47:19 »

I got the case in the mail today - i'm surprised at the size. It is noticeably smaller than my Kishsaver despite having one more key column.
Kishsaver = 14" x 7", 98 square inches, 64 barrels, 61 (typical) keys
this = 13" x 5.1", 66 square inches, 74 barrels, 70 (typical) keys


I'm hoping to have the first one built in time to debut at KeyCon Chicago (May 16). I've ordered almost everything i need, so should be able to give you guys an idea on how much one of these little guys are going to cost; under $100 for the PCB, membranes, case and electronics. This does not include the cost for buttons, stabilizer inserts, pivot plate/springs, and rubber mat (about $50 new from Unicomp or donor board) or barrels (donor board only, sadly). It also doesn't include the cost for time and tools to assemble - a Bus Pirate and pogo pin header for programming, acrylic weld/glue, tap, and soldering equipment.


I can't keep calling it "my new design" so it needs a name. Please feel free to make a suggestion.
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 14 April 2015, 02:23:48 »
I read wcass' post with my mouth open...

I looked down and saw a pool of saliva on my desk...

 :p
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Re: New Buckling Spring Design
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 14 April 2015, 08:40:05 »
Quote from: wcass on Mon, 13 April 2015, 21:47:19
I can't keep calling it "my new design" so it needs a name. Please feel free to make a suggestion.

It's a buckling spring board, so I guess "B-penning"

Because "it's b-penning"
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