Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 25 September 2016, 22:56:20
Working on getting a Group Buy page approved.
Mod edit: GB Link (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89896.0)
Hey guys I came up with this layout after being inspired by Evan's minivan. So I created a 60% layout with a dedicated arrow key cluster and a split spacebar design. To utilize both of your thumbs to maximum efficiency! To compensate I had to remove and move some of the right cluster keys. In favor you get an arrow key cluster with split spacebars. The split spacebars are standard right shift keys 2.25u (enter) and 2.75u (righ shift). The layout fits standard 60% dimensions which will allow the use of standard 60% cases ie. Poker and TEX. So together with Evangs I bring you this new unique layout, if there is enough interest Evan will gladly make these PCBs and we can look at a small group buy.
(http://i.imgur.com/Y9KpnpE.png)
Supported Layouts:
(http://i.imgur.com/Sqn88Oz.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/BCDi9zp.png)
Keyboard Layout Editor: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/d2434b33429ff2fccd21e02ee1f082b3
(http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/d2434b33429ff2fccd21e02ee1f082b3)
Updates:
Group Buy Interest Poll!
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSceCVpbZkCy-vVFW4zkt7kl2dXsD3iNDB3KfvSsx7uZg57QaA/viewform (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSceCVpbZkCy-vVFW4zkt7kl2dXsD3iNDB3KfvSsx7uZg57QaA/viewform)
Newsletter for future group buy updates!
https://goo.gl/forms/FB0i4kv0nxmR8XSH3 (https://goo.gl/forms/FB0i4kv0nxmR8XSH3)
Plate Prototype (3/17/17):
(http://i.imgur.com/dooIVAo.png)
Keyboard Mockup (3/18/17)
(http://i.imgur.com/2z241N4.png)
Plate Renders:
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Here are the renders for the universal plate. The plate will support all layouts supported by the pcb. The material will be Stainless Steel T304 with a 1.5mm thickness! :thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/pc3rfpw.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/rTTcpXW.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/pc3rfpw.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/rTTcpXW.png)
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New update announcing the supported key cap set me and Evan have been working on. When making this set I was personally inspired by the fabulous colors of tropical coral and diver culture. We are still running through name ideas like "Deep Dive" and "Swimming with the Fishes". The set will be in DSA and will support all layouts supported by our PCB. The images are rough and they are there to give you an idea of how the set will look like. The set will only include a base kit, all the keycaps you see you will get with no additional cost. The set will be available with the launch of the PCB as an option for people who want it.
2D Renders:
(http://i.imgur.com/GmLtOn0.png)
3D Renders:
(http://i.imgur.com/8gm3VUg.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/QDWptP6.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/lhWV8iY.png)
I can't wait to hear back from you guys, and like always flood the forum with feedback and suggestions! :thumb:
2D Renders:
(http://i.imgur.com/GmLtOn0.png)
3D Renders:
(http://i.imgur.com/8gm3VUg.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/QDWptP6.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/lhWV8iY.png)
I can't wait to hear back from you guys, and like always flood the forum with feedback and suggestions! :thumb:
Features:
-Standard 60% PCB (ANSI/ISO) + splitspacebar and arrow key cluster layouts
-Support for top mounted in switch leds (backlighting)
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-We'll be using an atmega32u4 with TMK. All smd components are presoldered only thing you need to do is add LEDs and switches.
Schedule:
-PCB prototyping (Currently Working on)
-GB Launch
-Invoice orders
-Production
-Shipment
FAQ:
What will be offered in this group buy?
The Banana Split PCB, Universal Plate, and pcb stabilizer pack (one 6.25u and 6 2u) each can be purchased separately or together. No limit to how many you can buy.
Is there an estimated price on this PCB + plate GB + stabilizers?
$40 for the PCB, $40 for the Stainless Steel Plate and $10 for the stabilizers.
When will the group buy launch?
Aiming for end of may!
PCB or Plate Mounted Stabilizers?
The PCB and plate will only support PCB mounted stabilizers, you would have to get a custom plate cut if you wanted compatibility with plate mounted stabilizers.
Will it be compatible with common 60% cases?
YES! Big reason I prefer 60>65, more case availability.
Is there alps support?
Sadly no, might be something to look into for future rounds.
Where's the question mark key?
The right shift key will be programmed so that when tapped it will register as a "?" but when held it will function regularly.
How will we program the board?
You can either directly program it through qmk firmware, or through evan's keyboard configurator which will easily allow you to design your ideal layout without dabbling in code.
Things to consider for future rounds.
-ALPS support
-Dedicated keycap set
-Split-spacebar pack (I might run a seperate GB for this)
-More plate materials ie (Aluminum, Brass)
-Custom case (Milled aluminum, acrylic mid piece)
-RGB Underglow
If you have any further questions please don't hesitate and ask!
Post by: Jmeferlater on Mon, 26 September 2016, 14:02:52
Also exciting to hear Evan is willing to help out
Definitely interested :thumb:
Post by: xondat on Mon, 26 September 2016, 14:06:44
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 14:49:11
It sounds like you only have the intention of having those two layouts. What about having normal layouts? All that needs to be made is a standard 60% PCB with your editions.
I'm open to suggestions the goal of this pcb is have a 60% layout with dedicated arrow keys and a split spacebar design while maintaining the same dimensions. I'm not too sure what you mean if you could clarify that would be great :D.
Post by: xondat on Mon, 26 September 2016, 14:51:44
Have those layouts, and then add your layouts on top so you create a really good, universal PCB. I think if you can combine the pre-existing "universal" PCB, and add your stuff on top it will appeal to everyone and not struggle for a MOQ.
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 14:54:03
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Mon, 26 September 2016, 14:55:53
Show Image(http://i1.wp.com/winkeyless.kr/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/layout_face.jpg)
Have those layouts, and then add your layouts on top so you create a really good, universal PCB. I think if you can combine the pre-existing "universal" PCB, and add your stuff on top it will appeal to everyone and not struggle for a MOQ.
I agree, I've wanted a standard 60% pcb with a split spacebar for a long time, but dont want dedicated arrow keys.
I'd buy multiple is this was an option!
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 14:56:49
Post by: zeltner on Mon, 26 September 2016, 15:02:17
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 15:06:58
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 15:09:41
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 September 2016, 15:32:00
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 26 September 2016, 15:35:38
(http://puu.sh/roNtA/2690e1d34e.png)
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 15:46:00
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 15:49:09
Transit van?
Just added it to the name suggestions, we can have a poll later once we get some more name ideas.
Post by: ReverbSlush on Mon, 26 September 2016, 15:51:17
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 September 2016, 16:09:48
:))Transit van?
Just added it to the name suggestions, we can have a poll later once we get some more name ideas.
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Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 September 2016, 17:33:46
Cargo Van:))Transit van?
Just added it to the name suggestions, we can have a poll later once we get some more name ideas.
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And as some actual questions and things, is the stagger altered on the no arrow layout? Is the left shift 2u or 2.25u? I would buy one in a heartbeat if it is compatible with all 60% cases. Split Spacebar, left shift, and backspace (anything for more keys), I love. Looking forward to this.
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Post by: depreshun on Mon, 26 September 2016, 18:50:13
Post by: mrbishop on Mon, 26 September 2016, 18:57:28
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 19:58:25
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 20:03:33
Cargo Van:))Transit van?
Just added it to the name suggestions, we can have a poll later once we get some more name ideas.
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And as some actual questions and things, is the stagger altered on the no arrow layout? Is the left shift 2u or 2.25u? I would buy one in a heartbeat if it is compatible with all 60% cases. Split Spacebar, left shift, and backspace (anything for more keys), I love. Looking forward to this.
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The non arrow key split spacebar layout will still allow a regular sized shift on both sides. And yes the goal is that this will fit all standard 60% cases. Hope that answered your questions :D.
Post by: ReverbSlush on Mon, 26 September 2016, 20:11:50
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 20:13:53
Wasn't there an HHKB style layout that still had the split spacebar + arrow key cluster? Did that change?
As long as the changed keys don't overlap the idea is that you can have the hhkb style backspace with the arrow key cluster + spacebar, sorry if that's confusing I thought the way I redid it seemed more simpler.
Post by: ReverbSlush on Mon, 26 September 2016, 20:15:16
Thanks!!!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 September 2016, 20:20:25
Which one has a standard stagger on shift row?Cargo Van:))Transit van?
Just added it to the name suggestions, we can have a poll later once we get some more name ideas.
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And as some actual questions and things, is the stagger altered on the no arrow layout? Is the left shift 2u or 2.25u? I would buy one in a heartbeat if it is compatible with all 60% cases. Split Spacebar, left shift, and backspace (anything for more keys), I love. Looking forward to this.
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The non arrow key split spacebar layout will still allow a regular sized shift on both sides. And yes the goal is that this will fit all standard 60% cases. Hope that answered your questions :D.
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Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 20:22:10
Which one has a standard stagger on shift row?
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The non-arrow key cluster splitspacebar version
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 September 2016, 20:22:49
Which one has a standard stagger on shift row?
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The non-arrow key cluster splitspacebar version
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Thanks. .25u different probably won't affect typing hopefully.
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Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 20:24:23
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 September 2016, 23:31:08
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 26 September 2016, 23:45:03
Could the left shift split into two 1u keys be supported?
I want to see if these can be made into a single PCB, once evan says everything checks out with what we, then we can look into adding more options. Atm I think we have the more popular options covered.
Post by: AKmalamute on Tue, 27 September 2016, 00:17:56
So, the minivan was smaller, wasn't it...? Otherwise I'd suggest something like "the stationwagon" for your moniker. I guess I'll suggest it anyway, see how it goes.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Tue, 27 September 2016, 00:29:46
as I have converted from normal keyboard to HHKB style, I can no longer go back.
But, for me, HHKB is still lacking, I came up with a design:
(http://i.imgur.com/7aWHvdQ.png)
though after completing the prototype (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84032.0),
3u spacebar is a hassle, so I decided to revise my design:
(http://i.imgur.com/fcXjviy.png)
to be honest, I have not gotten used to the RShift at that position, even though I don't have to move my hand away from home key (my right thumb is useless, lol)
the "numpad" are not as effective as I expect but I will leave it there ;D
seems my dream board will soon be built :thumb:
oh, sorry that I don't have any suggestions for the name, I'm bad at naming :(
Post by: ReverbSlush on Tue, 27 September 2016, 00:35:24
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 27 September 2016, 09:53:24
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Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 27 September 2016, 09:59:25
How does "The Banana Split" sound to you guys :D?Reminds me of that terrifying TV show
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Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 27 September 2016, 10:01:13
How does "The Banana Split" sound to you guys :D?Fak double post
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Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 27 September 2016, 15:43:21
Post by: xondat on Tue, 27 September 2016, 15:54:30
Polls:I wish I could select more than 1 option in the first poll. Also focus on a PCB, there are too many keysets coming out.
PCB Features
http://www.strawpoll.me/11316606 (http://www.strawpoll.me/11316606)
Would there be interest in a keycap set paired with the pcb that would cover the entire board. For people who just want a pcb that option would still be there. Maybe a completely new DSA set made by SP?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11316652 (http://www.strawpoll.me/11316652)
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 27 September 2016, 16:01:44
Polls:I wish I could select more than 1 option in the first poll. Also focus on a PCB, there are too many keysets coming out.
PCB Features
http://www.strawpoll.me/11316606 (http://www.strawpoll.me/11316606)
Would there be interest in a keycap set paired with the pcb that would cover the entire board. For people who just want a pcb that option would still be there. Maybe a completely new DSA set made by SP?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11316652 (http://www.strawpoll.me/11316652)
My bad let me fix that.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 27 September 2016, 16:04:05
Post by: doostin on Tue, 27 September 2016, 16:06:07
Post by: Nerdiary on Tue, 27 September 2016, 17:45:34
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 27 September 2016, 17:47:24
Post by: braidn on Tue, 27 September 2016, 19:21:10
Post by: derezzed on Tue, 27 September 2016, 20:01:11
Tell me what you guys think about this, me and evan just redid the original design, the shift is brought to a standard 2.25 making the bottom stagger standard. We swapped out the 1u (? /) for a 1.75 while maintaining the arrow key cluster. Using a tap mod, when the key is pressed it uses its original function (ie ? /), if you hold it down it would serve as a right shift.
I like the layout. I'm a fan of putting a second function on a key on long press as a way to incorporate functions on smaller keyboards. It works great with using the TouchCursor to implement a SpaceFn layout. Regack also used that method for tab, caps lock, and left shift on his 59% keyboard layout (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69978.0). However, if you want a dedicated right shift and aren't committed to an inverted-T arrow cluster, you could have a 1.75u right shift and an L-shaped arrow cluster like this.
[attachimg=1]
I like having the arrow cluster on the IJKL keys, so I wouldn't be totally heartbroken if I didn't have dedicated arrow keys. I'm pursuing my own layout, so take my input with a grain of salt, but it's good to see interest in 60% layouts with split spacebars. If JD Carpe had added a number key row to the JD45, I'd probably be typing this on that right now.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Tue, 27 September 2016, 20:22:01
Polls:
PCB Features
http://www.strawpoll.me/11316797 (http://www.strawpoll.me/11316797)
Would there be interest in a keycap set paired with the pcb that would cover the entire board. For people who just want a pcb that option would still be there. Maybe a completely new DSA set made by SP?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11316652 (http://www.strawpoll.me/11316652)
I think you should focus on the PCB first, led can come later, though underglow is nice :)
I also don't really care about the led, so in-switch (normal) led is fine for me.
it would be nice to have a dedicated keyset, I know you can buy and combine keysets, but that would be a waste (I think the price would also be higher)
just my personal opinion :))
Post by: depreshun on Tue, 27 September 2016, 20:33:49
With this layout, would it be an option to make the right 3 1u keys, 2 1.5u key instead? (No winkey)
And I like the idea of tap for ?/ and hold for shift. I've seen the pictures of the XD60 from taobao and I'm not quite sure how hard it'd be to adjust to the ? being so far away.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 27 September 2016, 21:42:10
Tell me what you guys think about this, me and evan just redid the original design, the shift is brought to a standard 2.25 making the bottom stagger standard. We swapped out the 1u (? /) for a 1.75 while maintaining the arrow key cluster. Using a tap mod, when the key is pressed it uses its original function (ie ? /), if you hold it down it would serve as a right shift.
I like the layout. I'm a fan of putting a second function on a key on long press as a way to incorporate functions on smaller keyboards. It works great with using the TouchCursor to implement a SpaceFn layout. Regack also used that method for tab, caps lock, and left shift on his 59% keyboard layout (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69978.0). However, if you want a dedicated right shift and aren't committed to an inverted-T arrow cluster, you could have a 1.75u right shift and an L-shaped arrow cluster like this.
(Attachment Link)
I like having the arrow cluster on the IJKL keys, so I wouldn't be totally heartbroken if I didn't have dedicated arrow keys. I'm pursuing my own layout, so take my input with a grain of salt, but it's good to see interest in 60% layouts with split spacebars. If JD Carpe had added a number key row to the JD45, I'd probably be typing this on that right now.
I definitely wan't to keep the arrow key cluster to an inverted t. The right shift was added because a lot of people wanted it.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 27 September 2016, 21:43:42
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WPwvjDT.png)
With this layout, would it be an option to make the right 3 1u keys, 2 1.5u key instead? (No winkey)
And I like the idea of tap for ?/ and hold for shift. I've seen the pictures of the XD60 from taobao and I'm not quite sure how hard it'd be to adjust to the ? being so far away.
Atm I want to only use the layouts we have. Once we can confirm that we can fit all of these onto one pcb we will look into adding popular layouts/additions. I'll definitely keep your idea noted :D.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 27 September 2016, 23:54:13
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 29 September 2016, 16:31:23
Post by: evangs on Thu, 29 September 2016, 17:13:41
Post by: mrbishop on Thu, 29 September 2016, 20:05:31
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Post by: evangs on Thu, 29 September 2016, 20:26:26
Of course you are. Lol. Good. I still say this is the GH60 that has always needed to happen. Well done. Split space bars are super useful.:D you know it
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Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 01 October 2016, 21:28:12
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 01 October 2016, 22:12:40
Post by: Nerdiary on Sat, 01 October 2016, 22:31:40
However, if you want a dedicated right shift and aren't committed to an inverted-T arrow cluster, you could have a 1.75u right shift and an L-shaped arrow cluster like this.
(Attachment Link)
I also prefer this layout. I will probably make this work in firmware for the arrow cluster layout. Swap UP and 1U, so the 1u acts a R-Shift.
Post by: Fictiouz on Sat, 01 October 2016, 22:43:35
...5\6...
...T\Y...
...G\H...
...B\N...
All hail touch typing.
Post by: mrbishop on Sat, 01 October 2016, 22:56:41
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Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 02 October 2016, 16:36:43
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 02 October 2016, 17:31:43
Post by: Nerdiary on Mon, 03 October 2016, 05:35:23
I came up with a new design for people who want to have an arrow key cluster but still maintain a pretty natural shift position. Tell me what you guys think, if you really like it I will include it to our top 3.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/4dyAonh.png)
This would be my preferred layout. I like that ? is 1u and my hand naturally drifts down to the arrow cluster. Might help with keyset compatibility.
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 03 October 2016, 12:03:03
Post by: watsyurdeal on Mon, 03 October 2016, 14:44:26
1. Make sure the LEDs are top mount, not bottom mount, so if I want backlit keycaps ala Vortex, Ducky, Qingmei, Captors, etc I can use them. The LEDs won't shine through if they are below the switch.
2. Ensure compatibility with Easy AVR if you can, that would make life easier. I can figure out how to get mouse emulation working ala Ducky Mini through the TMK firmware, but Easy AVR makes it so streamlined it'd be nice to have it set that way.
3. When you can expect this to launch or a group buy begins let me know, you got a customer for sure.
Splitspacebar without arrow key cluster is my pick, I WANT IT
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 03 October 2016, 15:35:35
Poll link: https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/1y1KEJ9mC_yi5VHBcZuWuGcYieIC4hPRpfXReBe6bmTU/edit
Post by: SoftKeys on Mon, 03 October 2016, 16:19:03
(http://i.imgur.com/IcxSZF6.png)
I don't use the right shift/win/Ctrl keys ever and always wanted to replace that section with an arrow cluster. A split spacebar would just be icing on the cake.
I love the name too! Give me a Banana Split with DSA Nanner and a Banana Snackey and I would love that board <3
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 03 October 2016, 16:29:11
Just found this IC and I'm really liking this layout:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IcxSZF6.png)
I don't use the right shift/win/Ctrl keys ever and always wanted to replace that section with an arrow cluster. A split spacebar would just be icing on the cake.
I love the name too! Give me a Banana Split with DSA Nanner and a Banana Snackey and I would love that board <3
Ey my boy :D, thanks for the dragon key btw. I'm glad you like this layout.
Post by: JDragon on Mon, 03 October 2016, 17:21:22
Post by: ideus on Mon, 03 October 2016, 17:30:14
Post by: mrbishop on Mon, 03 October 2016, 18:39:59
Very interesting to see this PCB to happen with six unit space bar support, if you reach a competitive price, it may give the GON Nerd60, GH60 and Face W a good competition, because those do not support split space bars.I like the arrow layout. One thing I've found in my adventures in keyboard making is standard key cap sizes. Or rather designing boards that don't have them. The question I have is. Does this layout use standard easy to find key cap sizes?
I made the mistake of designing a cutting a plate for a board I was working on only to realize the split space bar keys would have to be custom created. Or I'll have to cut them out myself.
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Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 03 October 2016, 20:31:53
Very interesting to see this PCB to happen with six unit space bar support, if you reach a competitive price, it may give the GON Nerd60, GH60 and Face W a good competition, because those do not support split space bars.I like the arrow layout. One thing I've found in my adventures in keyboard making is standard key cap sizes. Or rather designing boards that don't have them. The question I have is. Does this layout use standard easy to find key cap sizes?
I made the mistake of designing a cutting a plate for a board I was working on only to realize the split space bar keys would have to be custom created. Or I'll have to cut them out myself.
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They are all standard, the spacebars are right shift (2.75u) the small shift is 1.75u and the rest is just standard 1u keys. Plus we are hoping of releasing a keyset with this pcb, which will allow for full coverage. This will be optional and won't delay production times on the PCB.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 03 October 2016, 20:41:16
All the components will be presoldered? It would be very cool to get a PCB switch and LEDs ready.
Pricing?
Colors? I hope to get a black one.
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 03 October 2016, 20:45:44
Will this be TMK compatible?
All the components will be presoldered? It would be very cool to get a PCB switch and LEDs ready.
Pricing?
Colors? I hope to get a black one.
I'll talk to evan about it w/e software the minivan used so I'm assuming TMK, all smd components, diodes and resistors will be presoldered. The only thing you will have to do is solder in your own switches and switch leds. The board will probably have rgb underglow pre soldered to the board and as for PCB color we are looking at yellow to keep the banana theme. Not like you will see the pcb anyways :P. Pricing will be very reasonable I don't have an exact estimate but I will post this as soon as we know.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 03 October 2016, 20:52:37
Will this be TMK compatible?
All the components will be presoldered? It would be very cool to get a PCB switch and LEDs ready.
Pricing?
Colors? I hope to get a black one.
I'll talk to evan about it w/e software the minivan used so I'm assuming TMK, all smd components, diodes and resistors will be presoldered. The only thing you will have to do is solder in your own switches and switch leds. The board will probably have rgb underglow pre soldered to the board and as for PCB color we are looking at yellow to keep the banana theme. Not like you will see the pcb anyways :p . Pricing will be very reasonable I don't have an exact estimate but I will post this as soon as we know.
Sounds very cool! Looking forward for the GB phase. Please confirm the final layouts that will be implemented, as soon as you have those defined to avoid any confusion, what you have in the OP seems that you will make the most universal sixty PCB currently available.
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 03 October 2016, 20:58:00
Results:https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc87qaZ0ZU0wxmQLHL3Arpjsf8sxNLLRUVxkNaJYvkLmUiQdw/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc87qaZ0ZU0wxmQLHL3Arpjsf8sxNLLRUVxkNaJYvkLmUiQdw/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm)
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 03 October 2016, 21:10:20
P.S. Go help support my buddy Jme with his DSA Borealis set, the creator behind our banana set!
Geekhack link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83966.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83966.0)
Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/55ps3u/dsa_borealis_is_coming_in_november_details_inside/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/55ps3u/dsa_borealis_is_coming_in_november_details_inside/)
Post by: ideus on Mon, 03 October 2016, 21:22:15
Post by: JDragon on Tue, 04 October 2016, 02:19:26
One final update for the day. Post has been updated with the winning keycap set, along with showing which layouts are Confirmed for the PCB. we have two final surprises for you guys: one more PCB layout and a nice little treat to go with your banana themed board. Thank you all for the support it truly means a lot <3.
P.S. Go help support my buddy Jme with his DSA Borealis set, the creator behind our banana set!
Geekhack link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83966.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83966.0)
Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/55ps3u/dsa_borealis_is_coming_in_november_details_inside/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/55ps3u/dsa_borealis_is_coming_in_november_details_inside/)
One question about the Roasted Banana set - what colors will you guys be using and will it also be a full set? The reason I ask is because the color scheme of the set is fairly close to the black and gold Midas DSA set I've been working on in the interest check stage, and if you guys are going with NN for black and YG for the yellow, maybe we can combine ideas? I really like the board idea and am hoping you'll make the set a full set similar to Lightcycle DSA. :)
Midas DSA for reference: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84563.0
Either way I'll be sure to pick up this PCB and a Roasted Banana set. :thumb:
Post by: Nerdiary on Tue, 04 October 2016, 19:55:29
Not like you will see the pcb anyways :P
It's often that what you can't see that has the most sex...errr...board appeal :p
Post by: Jmeferlater on Tue, 04 October 2016, 20:39:52
One final update for the day. Post has been updated with the winning keycap set, along with showing which layouts are Confirmed for the PCB. we have two final surprises for you guys: one more PCB layout and a nice little treat to go with your banana themed board. Thank you all for the support it truly means a lot <3.
P.S. Go help support my buddy Jme with his DSA Borealis set, the creator behind our banana set!
Geekhack link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83966.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83966.0)
Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/55ps3u/dsa_borealis_is_coming_in_november_details_inside/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/55ps3u/dsa_borealis_is_coming_in_november_details_inside/)
One question about the Roasted Banana set - what colors will you guys be using and will it also be a full set? The reason I ask is because the color scheme of the set is fairly close to the black and gold Midas DSA set I've been working on in the interest check stage, and if you guys are going with NN for black and YG for the yellow, maybe we can combine ideas? I really like the board idea and am hoping you'll make the set a full set similar to Lightcycle DSA. :)
Midas DSA for reference: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84563.0
Either way I'll be sure to pick up this PCB and a Roasted Banana set. :thumb:
The colors for Roasted Banana are TAA for the dark brown, YY for the yellow legends, and YCC for the yellow alphas
Post by: mrbishop on Tue, 04 October 2016, 21:46:40
I did a clear acrylic plate for my minivan pcb.....just saying.Not like you will see the pcb anyways
It's often that what you can't see that has the most sex...errr...board appeal
sent from my chess board
Post by: mrbishop on Tue, 04 October 2016, 21:47:16
I didn't a clear acrylic plate for my minivan pcb.....just saying.Not like you will see the pcb anyways
It's often that what you can't see that has the most sex...errr...board appeal
sent from my chess board
Did.
sent from my chess board
Post by: Applet on Wed, 05 October 2016, 04:01:59
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 05 October 2016, 11:06:56
Just want to say that I really like the idea of this :)
Thank you :D.
Post by: waqar on Wed, 05 October 2016, 12:23:54
Post by: JDragon on Wed, 05 October 2016, 13:13:48
One final update for the day. Post has been updated with the winning keycap set, along with showing which layouts are Confirmed for the PCB. we have two final surprises for you guys: one more PCB layout and a nice little treat to go with your banana themed board. Thank you all for the support it truly means a lot <3.
P.S. Go help support my buddy Jme with his DSA Borealis set, the creator behind our banana set!
Geekhack link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83966.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83966.0)
Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/55ps3u/dsa_borealis_is_coming_in_november_details_inside/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/55ps3u/dsa_borealis_is_coming_in_november_details_inside/)
One question about the Roasted Banana set - what colors will you guys be using and will it also be a full set? The reason I ask is because the color scheme of the set is fairly close to the black and gold Midas DSA set I've been working on in the interest check stage, and if you guys are going with NN for black and YG for the yellow, maybe we can combine ideas? I really like the board idea and am hoping you'll make the set a full set similar to Lightcycle DSA. :)
Midas DSA for reference: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84563.0
Either way I'll be sure to pick up this PCB and a Roasted Banana set. :thumb:
The colors for Roasted Banana are TAA for the dark brown, YY for the yellow legends, and YCC for the yellow alphas
Ah ok.
For what it's worth, TAA looks more black than brown irl (at least from the color chips I bought from SP when designing my set):
(http://i.imgur.com/NXp8QhY.jpg)
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 05 October 2016, 14:58:47
[attachimg=1]
Crammed arrows in 60% layouts are like cancer, they are very prone to mis-clicks, so I ended up separating them like this, instead of filling the empty spaces, I just let them be empty = bliss
Post by: Parva Ovis on Wed, 05 October 2016, 16:57:07
Seeing this PCB got me thinking; it'd be cool to have a keyboard setup where one can have a split space bar but switch to a regular space bar without having to do a bunch of soldering and disassembly.
Maybe something like this:
More
(http://i.imgur.com/9uJAvds.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/btJgJzK.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/btJgJzK.png)
Am I correct in thinking this would work? Could you install all three switches and simply swap out the stabilizers (and disable/enable the switches) to switch from a 6.25 space-bar to a split space-bar (or vis versa)?
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 05 October 2016, 21:31:04
I'm definitely interested in this PCB. Will it have any sort of special LED support?
Seeing this PCB got me thinking; it'd be cool to have a keyboard setup where one can have a split space bar but switch to a regular space bar without having to do a bunch of soldering and disassembly.
Maybe something like this:MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/9uJAvds.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/btJgJzK.png)
Am I correct in thinking this would work? Could you install all three switches and simply swap out the stabilizers (and disable/enable the switches) to switch from a 6.25 space-bar to a split space-bar (or vis versa)?
I was actually thinking about implementing a similar layout. Give us a week or two to get our current layouts sorted (see if we can fit them onto once pcb), if everything is good we will definitely look into this one.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 05 October 2016, 22:19:27
Original splitspacebar
(http://i.imgur.com/JdUJxBf.png)
Redone version
(http://i.imgur.com/o185B69.png)
Reference photos to show how it lines up with the existing 2.75u location.
(http://i.imgur.com/IcxSZF6.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/4dyAonh.png)
Personally I really like it, to me the original splitspacebar design looked awkward without arrow keys, making the extra 1.25u look out of place. Now that lil guy has his own spot. Tell me what you guys think of this.
Post by: derezzed on Wed, 05 October 2016, 22:27:29
I'm definitely interested in this PCB. Will it have any sort of special LED support?
Seeing this PCB got me thinking; it'd be cool to have a keyboard setup where one can have a split space bar but switch to a regular space bar without having to do a bunch of soldering and disassembly.
Maybe something like this:MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/9uJAvds.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/btJgJzK.png)
Am I correct in thinking this would work? Could you install all three switches and simply swap out the stabilizers (and disable/enable the switches) to switch from a 6.25 space-bar to a split space-bar (or vis versa)?
I was actually thinking about implementing a similar layout. Give us a week or two to get our current layouts sorted (see if we can fit them onto once pcb), if everything is good we will definitely look into this one.
It's great that this board can support so many layouts. This particular layout is very similar to my layout. One of the problems with my layout (IIRC) was that the right alt key would be directly above a mounting hole on a universal 60% case. Have you analyzed your proposed layouts for case compatibility?
Also, I really like the Roasted Banana colorway. If you are entertaining the idea of including novelties, have you considered a banana logo, or perhaps a tropical fleur-de-lis (on the right), for the OS key?
[attach=1]
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 05 October 2016, 22:30:49
I'm definitely interested in this PCB. Will it have any sort of special LED support?
Seeing this PCB got me thinking; it'd be cool to have a keyboard setup where one can have a split space bar but switch to a regular space bar without having to do a bunch of soldering and disassembly.
Maybe something like this:MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/9uJAvds.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/btJgJzK.png)
Am I correct in thinking this would work? Could you install all three switches and simply swap out the stabilizers (and disable/enable the switches) to switch from a 6.25 space-bar to a split space-bar (or vis versa)?
I was actually thinking about implementing a similar layout. Give us a week or two to get our current layouts sorted (see if we can fit them onto once pcb), if everything is good we will definitely look into this one.
It's great that this board can support so many layouts. This particular layout is very similar to my layout. One of the problems with my layout (IIRC) was that the right alt key would be directly above a mounting hole on a universal 60% case. Have you analyzed your proposed layouts for case compatibility?
Also, I really like the Roasted Banana colorway. If you are entertaining the idea of including novelties, have you considered a banana logo, or perhaps a tropical fleur-de-lis (on the right), for the OS key?
(Attachment Link)
Yeah we are going to work on some novelties, banana themed for sure. I like the tropical idea.
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 05 October 2016, 22:35:01
[attachimg=1]
More usable, in my opinion
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 05 October 2016, 22:36:55
I'm guessing arrows aren't that big of a thing for this PCB/endeavor, however, since you entertained the idea of enlarging the /? - maybe consider this layout instead:
(Attachment Link)
More usable, in my opinion
The arrowkey layouts were actually our most popular. I think I will leave it as is for now, just because it'll be hard to find keys for that layout. Plus the goal was to have a splitspacebar 60% with a normal inverted t arrow key cluster.
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 05 October 2016, 22:44:06
I'm guessing arrows aren't that big of a thing for this PCB/endeavor, however, since you entertained the idea of enlarging the /? - maybe consider this layout instead:
(Attachment Link)
More usable, in my opinion
The arrowkey layouts were actually our most popular. I think I will leave it as is for now, just because it'll be hard to find keys for that layout. Plus the goal was to have a splitspacebar 60% with a normal inverted t arrow key cluster.
I definitely agree with the keycap challenge, however, since there is an accompanying keycap run, such a weird layout might have been possible :)
Apart from this, I really like the idea of running the pcb/keycap GB in parallel
Post by: tomboy on Thu, 06 October 2016, 05:35:47
Post by: _cramil on Thu, 06 October 2016, 08:20:18
I'm definitely interested in this PCB. Will it have any sort of special LED support?
Seeing this PCB got me thinking; it'd be cool to have a keyboard setup where one can have a split space bar but switch to a regular space bar without having to do a bunch of soldering and disassembly.
Maybe something like this:MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/9uJAvds.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/btJgJzK.png)
Am I correct in thinking this would work? Could you install all three switches and simply swap out the stabilizers (and disable/enable the switches) to switch from a 6.25 space-bar to a split space-bar (or vis versa)?
Post by: watsyurdeal on Thu, 06 October 2016, 09:31:55
The LEDs, be sure they are mounted at the top of the switches so they'll shine through keycaps with backlight support.
For example
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0218/4886/products/GH60_1024x1024.jpg?v=1456894005)
(http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1h8kKJFXXXXXzXFXXq6xXFXXXR/Satan-GH60-PCB-White-Board-LED-DIY-Mechanical-Keyboard-zapatos-mujer.jpg)
In the Satan GH 60, look where the holes are for the LED and Switch mounting, that's what I'm talking about, so my keyboard can look something like this.
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FFkSc2EYfRKfqOe5N7FgW_DSC01447.JPG?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=1431&h=763&dpr=1&q=80)
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 07 October 2016, 11:17:02
Will there be a plate too, or just a pcb?
Atm we're only looking at making the pcb with a supported keycap set. It would be really hard to have so many supported plates.
Post by: jal on Fri, 07 October 2016, 11:20:13
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 07 October 2016, 11:21:27
Will there be a plate too, or just a pcb?
Atm we're only looking at making the pcb with a supported keycap set. It would be really hard to have so many supported plates.
For PCB-mounted cherry stabs and switches, you can just overlay all of the plates and intersect, then remove small segments, it could work - one plate might support all
Getting plates manufactured is also pretty cheap and practical
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 07 October 2016, 11:23:33
I don't think my question was ever answered so I'll be short about it here.
The LEDs, be sure they are mounted at the top of the switches so they'll shine through keycaps with backlight support.
Thanks for the suggestion :D, we'll look into it. I can't really bring you updates on the PCB for a week or two, until we get some things sorted. But this week I'll be working on bringing you guys updated versions of the keycap set with Jme.
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 07 October 2016, 12:05:23
Post by: tjweir on Sat, 08 October 2016, 06:46:59
Have you considered Alps support for the PCB?
Post by: MBD on Sat, 08 October 2016, 08:10:44
To my thinking, a giant space bar is the worst feature of every standard keyboard. I almost always hit the space bar with my right hand, between the n and m keys.
Post by: Applet on Sat, 08 October 2016, 08:42:31
I would purchase this.Oh, that would be fantastic :)
To my thinking, a giant space bar is the worst feature of every standard keyboard. I almost always hit the space bar with my right hand, between the n and m keys.
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 08 October 2016, 11:00:24
I love this layout.
Have you considered Alps support for the PCB?
We will keep it to cherry for this round.
Post by: tjweir on Sat, 08 October 2016, 12:33:07
I love this layout.
Have you considered Alps support for the PCB?
We will keep it to cherry for this round.
Ok, cools.
Hope it's awesome.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 08 October 2016, 13:38:12
I personally was converted to the split life by the CP-SQ bottom row and really enjoy the 1.25u in between the keys. By using blanks and then a mod pack (CYM pbt mods) I can get a nice looking board.
(http://i.imgur.com/rEcARMr.jpg)
I guess if it was on a 60%, these would be the closest:
(http://i.imgur.com/Ds4rf7R.png)
and
(http://i.imgur.com/ABqhBiH.png)
I'm not asking you to add them :) Just my 2 cents on what I like. Great to see some more split spacebar options coming out. I'll follow the thread with some interest then it'll depend on how much 'keyboard funds' I have when you launch something. Who knows, maybe I'll like some of your layouts even more than my current one :)
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 08 October 2016, 16:00:19
If you haven't seen the previous post.
Original Layout:
(http://i.imgur.com/JdUJxBf.png)
New Version:
(http://i.imgur.com/o185B69.png)
Post by: Parva Ovis on Sat, 08 October 2016, 18:40:09
Post by: watsyurdeal on Sun, 09 October 2016, 10:17:29
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30331824/Private/Perimod/keyboard-layout.png)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 09 October 2016, 10:39:55
Why not just have 2 2.25 spacebars? Or a 3.25 and a 3 like here?Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30331824/Private/Perimod/keyboard-layout.png)
Good luck finding caps.
Post by: OliverDK on Tue, 11 October 2016, 13:34:40
My .02, as someone who used various arrowed 60%'s, here's my layout, after thinking-on and using many similar layouts:
(Attachment Link)
Crammed arrows in 60% layouts are like cancer, they are very prone to mis-clicks, so I ended up separating them like this, instead of filling the empty spaces, I just let them be empty = bliss
Dang, that seems like a thing I shouldn't ignore. I'm so hyped to get a 60 with arrows, though. Do you need that 0.25u on the bottom row to avoid the mis-clicks? I guess I'd like something like this, then, but I'm afraid that 1.25u rShift wont be possible..
edit: And I guess I can't have two 1u modifiers left of the space bar either. Hmm...
(http://tinyimg.io/i/Nf9OdTY.PNG)
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 11 October 2016, 23:58:06
My .02, as someone who used various arrowed 60%'s, here's my layout, after thinking-on and using many similar layouts:
(Attachment Link)
Crammed arrows in 60% layouts are like cancer, they are very prone to mis-clicks, so I ended up separating them like this, instead of filling the empty spaces, I just let them be empty = bliss
Dang, that seems like a thing I shouldn't ignore. I'm so hyped to get a 60 with arrows, though. Do you need that 0.25u on the bottom row to avoid the mis-clicks? I guess I'd like something like this, then, but I'm afraid that 1.25u rShift wont be possible..
edit: And I guess I can't have two 1u modifiers left of the space bar either. Hmm...Show Image(http://tinyimg.io/i/Nf9OdTY.PNG)
Here is something I came up with using the existing PCB layouts. This should provide the desired effect of having a gap for your arrow keys.
(http://i.imgur.com/UfDnSUO.png)
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 12 October 2016, 21:08:15
(https://images-1.discordapp.net/.eJwNyEEKwyAQAMC_eI-uu4na_KFQyANEjGgg0aDbU-nf2znOR7z7KVZRmO-xKrUfI7a-y8Gth5xkbi2fKdzHkLFdKjCHWK5UeSgk0OTAGQBLlhwu_1qcs0iED5rdDIRqiz2l6rfS2CNoM2mYNPrAnqQGqY1_PeVds_j-AFdiKks.p8unK6na8x_C9Li7hI1orQS5lbo)
The original post will be updated with this info.
Thanks for all the support guys it means a lot. :D
We have some updates pertaining to the keycap set so keep your eyes peeled for that! :thumb:
Post by: ideus on Wed, 12 October 2016, 23:02:42
Post by: watsyurdeal on Thu, 13 October 2016, 11:37:00
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 13 October 2016, 21:41:44
Thanks again for all the feedback!
CAD File of PCB with LED support.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/230870292522598401/236275334134235137/Screen_Shot_2016-10-13_at_4.23.24_PM.png)
Post by: OliverDK on Fri, 14 October 2016, 07:57:11
My .02, as someone who used various arrowed 60%'s, here's my layout, after thinking-on and using many similar layouts:
(Attachment Link)
Crammed arrows in 60% layouts are like cancer, they are very prone to mis-clicks, so I ended up separating them like this, instead of filling the empty spaces, I just let them be empty = bliss
Dang, that seems like a thing I shouldn't ignore. I'm so hyped to get a 60 with arrows, though. Do you need that 0.25u on the bottom row to avoid the mis-clicks? I guess I'd like something like this, then, but I'm afraid that 1.25u rShift wont be possible..
edit: And I guess I can't have two 1u modifiers left of the space bar either. Hmm...Show Image(http://tinyimg.io/i/Nf9OdTY.PNG)
Here is something I came up with using the existing PCB layouts. This should provide the desired effect of having a gap for your arrow keys.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/UfDnSUO.png)
Thanks for the feedback. Is this also possible? -Space bar is 6.25u. Not sure how I feel about the split space bar yet, and I'm still a little confused about the options.
(http://tinyimg.io/i/ib41Nqg.PNG)
Post by: ideus on Fri, 14 October 2016, 08:37:31
I found the space bar alternative to be a superior solution to forcing an arrow cluster within the limits of a sixty keyboard, besides, it allows the use of some elegant layouts, like the HHKB style.
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 14 October 2016, 11:57:32
At some point, I became obsessed by having an actual arrow cluster in a sixty layout, I found that giving up the right shift is an inferior solution as it makes touch typing pretty awkward, unless you do not touch type, in such case, layout does not matter, at all. Hunt and peck typing gives you a great deal of flexibility, layout wise.
I found the space bar alternative to be a superior solution to forcing an arrow cluster within the limits of a sixty keyboard, besides, it allows the use of some elegant layouts, like the HHKB style.
A similar layout can be achieved with this PCB. Although the main focus is a split-spacebar PCB. Here's an image of what is achievable similar to your layout.
KLE Raw Data:
["¬\n`","!\n1","\"\n2","£\n3","$\n4","%\n5","^\n6","&\n7","*\n8","(\n9",")\n0","_\n-","+\n=",{w:2},"Backspace"],
[{w:1.5},"Tab","Q","W","E","R","T","Y","U","I","O","P","{\n[","}\n]",{x:0.25,w:1.25,h:2,w2:1.5,h2:1,x2:-0.25},"Enter"],
[{w:1.75},"Caps Lock","A","S","D","F","G","H","J","K","L",":\n;","@\n'","~\n#"],
[{w:1.25},"Shift","?\n/","Z","X","C","V","B","N","M","<\n,",">\n.",{c:"#ee4942",w:1.75},"?\n/",{c:"#a698c5"},"Up",{c:"#ee4942"},"Delete"],
[{w:1.25},"Ctrl",{w:1.25},"Win",{w:1.25},"Alt",{a:7,w:6.25},"",{a:4,w:1.25},"Fn",{x:0.75,c:"#a698c5"},"Left","Down","Right"]
Image:
(http://i.imgur.com/GCiHTXP.png)
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 14 October 2016, 12:11:29
Post by: EvoPlatypus on Fri, 14 October 2016, 12:40:52
Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
Post by: braidn on Fri, 14 October 2016, 18:32:16
Post by: ideus on Fri, 14 October 2016, 18:41:59
Where can we source 2.75 stab bars? Super excited about this, especially with the 1.25 centerkey splitting the bigger 2.75 bars
It takes any standard 2u stab wire; however, the PCB does not show any hole for stabs; thus, it may requires a plate with either Cherry plate mounted or Costar slots.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 15 October 2016, 13:15:21
Where can we source 2.75 stab bars? Super excited about this, especially with the 1.25 centerkey splitting the bigger 2.75 bars
It takes any standard 2u stab wire; however, the PCB does not show any hole for stabs; thus, it may requires a plate with either Cherry plate mounted or Costar slots.
I'm pretty sure the PCB images are just the circuit mockups. Evan's Van44 has stabs in all the right palces, I expect them to be on here as well :thumb:
I'm actually starting to thinking about picking up a PCB and doing a full PCB mount with linears.
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 15 October 2016, 14:30:33
Where can we source 2.75 stab bars? Super excited about this, especially with the 1.25 centerkey splitting the bigger 2.75 bars
It takes any standard 2u stab wire; however, the PCB does not show any hole for stabs; thus, it may requires a plate with either Cherry plate mounted or Costar slots.
I'm pretty sure the PCB images are just the circuit mockups. Evan's Van44 has stabs in all the right palces, I expect them to be on here as well :thumb:
I'm actually starting to thinking about picking up a PCB and doing a full PCB mount with linears.
The stabs will be plate mounted. It is easier to have them there rather than on the PCB, allows for more layouts. :D
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 15 October 2016, 14:44:14
Where can we source 2.75 stab bars? Super excited about this, especially with the 1.25 centerkey splitting the bigger 2.75 bars
It takes any standard 2u stab wire; however, the PCB does not show any hole for stabs; thus, it may requires a plate with either Cherry plate mounted or Costar slots.
I'm pretty sure the PCB images are just the circuit mockups. Evan's Van44 has stabs in all the right palces, I expect them to be on here as well :thumb:
I'm actually starting to thinking about picking up a PCB and doing a full PCB mount with linears.
The stabs will be plate mounted. It is easier to have them there rather than on the PCB, allows for more layouts. :D
Oh! Well I was totally wrong then :)
I think it's a bad move, personally. It means people who want to use your PCB will have to get their own plate cut or have no stabs :-\ I definitely can't do that.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 15 October 2016, 15:54:12
Where can we source 2.75 stab bars? Super excited about this, especially with the 1.25 centerkey splitting the bigger 2.75 bars
It takes any standard 2u stab wire; however, the PCB does not show any hole for stabs; thus, it may requires a plate with either Cherry plate mounted or Costar slots.
I'm pretty sure the PCB images are just the circuit mockups. Evan's Van44 has stabs in all the right palces, I expect them to be on here as well :thumb:
I'm actually starting to thinking about picking up a PCB and doing a full PCB mount with linears.
The stabs will be plate mounted. It is easier to have them there rather than on the PCB, allows for more layouts. :D
Oh! Well I was totally wrong then :)
I think it's a bad move, personally. It means people who want to use your PCB will have to get their own plate cut or have no stabs :-\ I definitely can't do that.
I do not like the plate-only-stabs route for the PCB design; yet, another "feature" that does not fit the preference of some.
Post by: Phenix on Sun, 16 October 2016, 07:46:31
But please pcb mount stabs.
Plate mounted suck
Post by: Shiftshape on Mon, 17 October 2016, 03:41:11
Post by: Phenix on Mon, 17 October 2016, 09:59:44
(like the TS65 is doing e.g/clueboard like)
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 17 October 2016, 11:07:36
Is adding more split space bar options possible?
(like the TS65 is doing e.g/clueboard like)
I think we already have a wide range of options, you gotta realize we are limited to a 60% form factor. Less space to work with. Also we are looking at the possibility of providing you guys plates, with more layouts this will be a much harder task.
Post by: Phenix on Mon, 17 October 2016, 11:26:05
So it would be great if you could add as many positions as possible:
-it makes it easier for pcb-only builds (variety is always awesome)
-if you are designing plates you dont need to cover any switch positions - just the most usual ones
-in the end it makes the pcb more future-proof and can attract more people
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 17 October 2016, 14:17:23
Can't you just let the first layout design (Split-spacebar inverted T arrow key cluster idea (Confirmed)) have the 2 x 1u keys at the backspace like the HHKB layout.
Or you can give back the Fn key on the HHKB layout, next to the R_Shift key.
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 17 October 2016, 14:35:41
I really like it.
Can't you just let the first layout design (Split-spacebar inverted T arrow key cluster idea (Confirmed)) have the 2 x 1u keys at the backspace like the HHKB layout.
Or you can give back the Fn key on the HHKB layout, next to the R_Shift key.
The idea is, within all three of the layouts (like the split-space with inverted T arrow key cluster) you can mix and match with iso/ansi and hhkb. You can have the 1st layout with an iso short shift and enter and have an hhkb style top row.
Example:
(http://i.imgur.com/OVdv6sP.png)
I hope that answers your question :D.
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 17 October 2016, 14:57:29
I really like it.
Can't you just let the first layout design (Split-spacebar inverted T arrow key cluster idea (Confirmed)) have the 2 x 1u keys at the backspace like the HHKB layout.
Or you can give back the Fn key on the HHKB layout, next to the R_Shift key.
The idea is, within all three of the layouts (like the split-space with inverted T arrow key cluster) you can mix and match with iso/ansi and hhkb. You can have the 1st layout with an iso short shift and enter and have an hhkb style top row.
Example:
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OVdv6sP.png)
I hope that answers your question :D.
Such a genius!
It's better to apply this idea to all sales in PCB and key caps.
Will the caps be PBT or ABS?
Will it be making for ALPS switches to?
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 17 October 2016, 16:12:17
I really like it.
Can't you just let the first layout design (Split-spacebar inverted T arrow key cluster idea (Confirmed)) have the 2 x 1u keys at the backspace like the HHKB layout.
Or you can give back the Fn key on the HHKB layout, next to the R_Shift key.
The idea is, within all three of the layouts (like the split-space with inverted T arrow key cluster) you can mix and match with iso/ansi and hhkb. You can have the 1st layout with an iso short shift and enter and have an hhkb style top row.
Example:
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OVdv6sP.png)
I hope that answers your question :D.
Such a genius!
It's better to apply this idea to all sales in PCB and key caps.
Will the caps be PBT or ABS?
Will it be making for ALPS switches to?
The caps will be ABS :D.
The PCB will only support cherry, with the amount of layouts we have it would be too much. Plus the demand isn't there.
Thanks for the support man :D
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 18 October 2016, 19:08:07
(https://images-1.discordapp.net/.eJwNyMENhCAQAMBeKABwlTuwGbMCQRIEwq4vc70fmd-84hlF7OJi7rQrFTL5NoIkbgNTlKm1VCL2TNK3WyEz-uuOlUnBqu1XgwMDYJzd9DLLausWgI8xMMOt6sQ6HdRL5uPpATkG2WsSvz_vcyfx.HvS90FIxVocFWw95iD0-TfeymZs)
We have more updates coming soon concerning plates included in the group buy!
Edit: Bonus novelty idea.
(https://images-2.discordapp.net/.eJwNyFEOgyAMANC7cIACHUjxMgtDgiYKhNavZXefeX_vq-55qlXtIoNXrbeDc58bsPSZaoHaez1LGgdD7pdOIinvV2nCGl-GgsGIHtFHcsY-5QjJLt5giBTcQvqT2uNtAT2MVtXvD4xjI1k.Ykat_8FQJvp973svDiQD1ixaLw8)
Post by: Phenix on Tue, 18 October 2016, 19:34:28
colors looking good
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 18 October 2016, 21:41:26
Is the cap 'Only ANSI' or will there be child kits for NORDE/...
colors looking good
We are hoping to include child kits that will cover most of the layouts possible with this board. ISO and nordic will probably be included in that.
Post by: apaskal on Wed, 19 October 2016, 01:35:30
I like the idea of split spacebar.
It's nice you start the project!
And what about option of Minila layout for bottom row?
There is pbt caps for this layout on ali already https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Black-PBT-blank-mechanical-keyboard-filco-minila-air-thick-PBT-white-side-print-keycap-cherry-mx/32714664659.html
My interest is PCB for moded hhkb case from ali
Alu https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hhkb-mechanical-keyboard-kit-anode-aluminum-cnc-custom-cherry-shaft-with-light/32719978752.html
or
Fiber https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-Free-shipping-HHKB-Case-Plate-Switches-Led-Stabilizers-Keycaps-DIY-Kit-For-HHKB-60/32684284153.html
My plan is to add a couple of holes in top plate and use split spacebar PCB like banana split :)
Thanks!
Post by: ideus on Wed, 19 October 2016, 09:01:33
Hi!
I like the idea of split spacebar.
It's nice you start the project!
And what about option of Minila layout for bottom row?
There is pbt caps for this layout on ali already https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Black-PBT-blank-mechanical-keyboard-filco-minila-air-thick-PBT-white-side-print-keycap-cherry-mx/32714664659.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Black-PBT-blank-mechanical-keyboard-filco-minila-air-thick-PBT-white-side-print-keycap-cherry-mx/32714664659.html)
My interest is PCB for moded hhkb case from ali
Alu https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hhkb-mechanical-keyboard-kit-anode-aluminum-cnc-custom-cherry-shaft-with-light/32719978752.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hhkb-mechanical-keyboard-kit-anode-aluminum-cnc-custom-cherry-shaft-with-light/32719978752.html)
or
Fiber https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-Free-shipping-HHKB-Case-Plate-Switches-Led-Stabilizers-Keycaps-DIY-Kit-For-HHKB-60/32684284153.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-Free-shipping-HHKB-Case-Plate-Switches-Led-Stabilizers-Keycaps-DIY-Kit-For-HHKB-60/32684284153.html)
My plan is to add a couple of holes in top plate and use split spacebar PCB like banana split :)
Thanks!
It is very interesting to see that there is a true HHKB clone case available.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 19 October 2016, 11:55:09
Hi!
I like the idea of split spacebar.
It's nice you start the project!
And what about option of Minila layout for bottom row?
There is pbt caps for this layout on ali already https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Black-PBT-blank-mechanical-keyboard-filco-minila-air-thick-PBT-white-side-print-keycap-cherry-mx/32714664659.html
My interest is PCB for moded hhkb case from ali
Alu https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hhkb-mechanical-keyboard-kit-anode-aluminum-cnc-custom-cherry-shaft-with-light/32719978752.html
or
Fiber https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-Free-shipping-HHKB-Case-Plate-Switches-Led-Stabilizers-Keycaps-DIY-Kit-For-HHKB-60/32684284153.html
My plan is to add a couple of holes in top plate and use split spacebar PCB like banana split :)
Thanks!
All layouts are locked. We won't be adding or removing any existing layouts. We are working on bringing you guys plates, so you may not have to diy your own ;).
Post by: Phenix on Wed, 19 October 2016, 12:42:54
Post by: tomboy on Wed, 19 October 2016, 12:46:18
Hi!
I like the idea of split spacebar.
It's nice you start the project!
And what about option of Minila layout for bottom row?
There is pbt caps for this layout on ali already https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Black-PBT-blank-mechanical-keyboard-filco-minila-air-thick-PBT-white-side-print-keycap-cherry-mx/32714664659.html
My interest is PCB for moded hhkb case from ali
Alu https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hhkb-mechanical-keyboard-kit-anode-aluminum-cnc-custom-cherry-shaft-with-light/32719978752.html
or
Fiber https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-Free-shipping-HHKB-Case-Plate-Switches-Led-Stabilizers-Keycaps-DIY-Kit-For-HHKB-60/32684284153.html
My plan is to add a couple of holes in top plate and use split spacebar PCB like banana split :)
Thanks!
All layouts are locked. We won't be adding or removing any existing layouts. We are working on bringing you guys plates, so you may not have to diy your own ;).
If there will be a plate, this has a great potential to be my first build! :)
Post by: waqar on Thu, 20 October 2016, 13:10:09
Is the cap 'Only ANSI' or will there be child kits for NORDE/...
colors looking good
Looks really nice, could you please add icon modifiers as well. Apple modifier specifically Command?
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 20 October 2016, 16:04:23
Is the cap 'Only ANSI' or will there be child kits for NORDE/...
colors looking good
Looks really nice, could you please add icon modifiers as well. Apple modifier specifically Command?
We'll for sure add more child kits, this is just to get a general opinion on the color scheme :D.
Post by: arhetue on Thu, 20 October 2016, 16:54:03
Show Image(https://images-1.discordapp.net/.eJwNyMENhCAQAMBeKABwlTuwGbMCQRIEwq4vc70fmd-84hlF7OJi7rQrFTL5NoIkbgNTlKm1VCL2TNK3WyEz-uuOlUnBqu1XgwMDYJzd9DLLausWgI8xMMOt6sQ6HdRL5uPpATkG2WsSvz_vcyfx.HvS90FIxVocFWw95iD0-TfeymZs)
Absolutely love this layout. Not sold on the color scheme for the capset. Will be in for the pcb when the gb comes around! :thumb:
Post by: waqar on Thu, 20 October 2016, 18:45:04
Is the cap 'Only ANSI' or will there be child kits for NORDE/...
colors looking good
Looks really nice, could you please add icon modifiers as well. Apple modifier specifically Command?
We'll for sure add more child kits, this is just to get a general opinion on the color scheme :D.
I like the 3d rendering colors, not sure if they are the same colors in the 2d image.
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 20 October 2016, 18:57:17
Is the cap 'Only ANSI' or will there be child kits for NORDE/...
colors looking good
Looks really nice, could you please add icon modifiers as well. Apple modifier specifically Command?
We'll for sure add more child kits, this is just to get a general opinion on the color scheme :D.
I like the 3d rendering colors, not sure if they are the same colors in the 2d image.
Different color, I'll get you guys a 3d render with the new brown sometime this week.
Post by: tobsn on Fri, 21 October 2016, 11:59:33
(http://i.imgur.com/HLg3v1T.jpg)
(https://instagram.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/14712430_1058468697584511_7238609645839843328_n.jpg)
I call it ISODE - it supports those "lost" german ISO layout keys on the right around the enter.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 21 October 2016, 12:49:41
I just now see this IC... this is actually super close to my custom layout:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HLg3v1T.jpg)Show Image(https://instagram.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/14712430_1058468697584511_7238609645839843328_n.jpg)
I call it ISODE - it supports those "lost" german ISO layout keys on the right around the enter.
Interesting... :o
Post by: Phenix on Fri, 21 October 2016, 13:01:34
Post by: tobsn on Fri, 21 October 2016, 13:09:36
Please make an PCB for the ISODE
if someone makes a nice PCB I have no problem with making a GB i even already have resources to do the switch plate... ;)
optimally of even have a case CNC'd... i just need the plans cause i suck at 3D and eagle/kicad
Post by: Phenix on Fri, 21 October 2016, 14:28:44
Anyway its an nice layout..
Post by: tobsn on Fri, 21 October 2016, 15:17:00
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 21 October 2016, 16:29:40
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 21 October 2016, 17:01:37
Is this PCB for Cherry mx and clones only? I would be interested in Alps/Matias and a HHKB layout with split Spacebar, split Backspace, and split Right Shift (1.75x Right Shift + 1.00x Fn).
Cherry mx only.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 21 October 2016, 17:15:38
fyi since i'm dealing with my layout and 2x 2.75u spaces... there are almost no sets supporting this... you'll always end up with shift keys and you need to order possibly two full sets. it's very annoying and making me rethink the two short space keys.
I already suggested that (Quote below), but I didn't get any response to that :(, OP probably does not realize how much of a PITA that really is.
I don't know, I think keycap compatability might become an issue. Here is something I came up with that would use unused keys from full keysets:Show Image(http://puu.sh/roNtA/2690e1d34e.png)
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 21 October 2016, 17:32:47
Okay, thanks. Wish I liked Cherry mx switches. The layout possibilities are great.Is this PCB for Cherry mx and clones only? I would be interested in Alps/Matias and a HHKB layout with split Spacebar, split Backspace, and split Right Shift (1.75x Right Shift + 1.00x Fn).
Cherry mx only.
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 21 October 2016, 17:43:04
fyi since i'm dealing with my layout and 2x 2.75u spaces... there are almost no sets supporting this... you'll always end up with shift keys and you need to order possibly two full sets. it's very annoying and making me rethink the two short space keys.
I already suggested that (Quote below), but I didn't get any response to that :(, OP probably does not realize how much of a PITA that really is.I don't know, I think keycap compatability might become an issue. Here is something I came up with that would use unused keys from full keysets:Show Image(http://puu.sh/roNtA/2690e1d34e.png)
Sorry I didn't respond, I remember someone else answering the question pretty well. With any new non-standard layout, keycaps will always be an issue. This is why we are giving people the option of a custom set that will fully cover this board. With any project like this sacrifices must be made. Yes we do not have pcb stabilizers, support for matias/alps switches, support for pcb mounted switches and a layout that isn't supported. But we bring you guys a PCB built around the split-bar layout. We are offering the most variety in split-spacebar layouts, in a 60% form factor that will fit all standard cases, and RGB underglow + inswitch LEDs. On top of this we are working on bringing plates that will support our layouts. This is a niche project and it will not be for everyone.
Sorry for the rant, but I have been seeing way too many comments about people asking for layouts or other things that we just can't provide. If we were to include every little thing the cost of the PCBs would not be affordable and a lot of it just can't be done, we have crammed as much as we could onto this PCB.
I hope this answers a lot of questions and I'll just refer people to this post if it has already been answered.
A small update as well, we have partnered with a company for the plates and are working out the details. :)
Post by: ideus on Fri, 21 October 2016, 17:47:03
Post by: evangs on Fri, 21 October 2016, 17:47:55
Plate mounted stabs should be provided with the kit as they are not so common, procurement be a bit difficult and most people do not have any, yet. Plates should allow Costar and Cherry stabilizers, as many have cross-hate for one or the other type.Thanks for the feedback
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Post by: ideus on Fri, 21 October 2016, 17:59:51
Plate mounted stabs should be provided with the kit as they are not so common, procurement be a bit difficult and most people do not have any, yet. Plates should allow Costar and Cherry stabilizers, as many have cross-hate for one or the other type.Thanks for the feedback
You did a remarkable job including the main ISO/ANSI/HHKB plus a couple of nice split space bar options. As you said, this will not be for everyone and most selfish request for that singular layout will be dismissed, which is more than fair enough; I wonder now, what type of plates you will come with, that may put this on top of most of the usual projects for new sixty layouts. Here is your chance to get THE sixty kit to go for, if flexibility is a top priority. Are you planning on offering any bottom row corners covered plate options? It would be cool! If you consider that with a split space bar more than two modifiers per each side would be overcrowded. The HHKB has only five keys at the bottom, that has been proverbially elegant, between keyboard aficionados.
Post by: tobsn on Sat, 22 October 2016, 03:27:48
fyi since i'm dealing with my layout and 2x 2.75u spaces... there are almost no sets supporting this... you'll always end up with shift keys and you need to order possibly two full sets. it's very annoying and making me rethink the two short space keys.
I already suggested that (Quote below), but I didn't get any response to that :(, OP probably does not realize how much of a PITA that really is.I don't know, I think keycap compatability might become an issue. Here is something I came up with that would use unused keys from full keysets:Show Image(http://puu.sh/roNtA/2690e1d34e.png)
Sorry I didn't respond, I remember someone else answering the question pretty well. With any new non-standard layout, keycaps will always be an issue. This is why we are giving people the option of a custom set that will fully cover this board. With any project like this sacrifices must be made. Yes we do not have pcb stabilizers, support for matias/alps switches, support for pcb mounted switches and a layout that isn't supported. But we bring you guys a PCB built around the split-bar layout. We are offering the most variety in split-spacebar layouts, in a 60% form factor that will fit all standard cases, and RGB underglow + inswitch LEDs. On top of this we are working on bringing plates that will support our layouts. This is a niche project and it will not be for everyone.
Sorry for the rant, but I have been seeing way too many comments about people asking for layouts or other things that we just can't provide. If we were to include every little thing the cost of the PCBs would not be affordable and a lot of it just can't be done, we have crammed as much as we could onto this PCB.
I hope this answers a lot of questions and I'll just refer people to this post if it has already been answered.
A small update as well, we have partnered with a company for the plates and are working out the details. :)
you mean those plates?
https://instagram.com/p/BLbnuKtheR7/
;)
fyi - I had them laser cut for $5... if you take 100 of those it's probably ~$2
(steel or alu)
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 22 October 2016, 15:54:58
Plate mounted stabs should be provided with the kit as they are not so common, procurement be a bit difficult and most people do not have any, yet. Plates should allow Costar and Cherry stabilizers, as many have cross-hate for one or the other type.Thanks for the feedback
You did a remarkable job including the main ISO/ANSI/HHKB plus a couple of nice split space bar options. As you said, this will not be for everyone and most selfish request for that singular layout will be dismissed, which is more than fair enough; I wonder now, what type of plates you will come with, that may put this on top of most of the usual projects for new sixty layouts. Here is your chance to get THE sixty kit to go for, if flexibility is a top priority. Are you planning on offering any bottom row corners covered plate options? It would be cool! If you consider that with a split space bar more than two modifiers per each side would be overcrowded. The HHKB has only five keys at the bottom, that has been proverbially elegant, between keyboard aficionados.
Thanks for understanding. We'll look into having HHKB style plates, I can't disclose too much but the way we will be dropping the plates will be very unique. Once I get a confirmation I will instantly update you guys with what we got planned.
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 24 October 2016, 22:55:15
(https://images-2.discordapp.net/.eJwFwcERwiAQAMBeKICDA-TI2z4ySJBEiTBweTn27u5XXKOKRezMfS4A2zFTG5uc3EYsWZbWSs2xH1OmdkJkjmk_84cnoFHkFQZ0iC6QVRrQKqO90jeyRC5o68Hc1-dV6_p-yFcv4vcHaWMjeA.MFltwI-HD7KEg87FBAxhCF7jSac?width=2000&height=1125)
Post by: Lost2Frostbite on Mon, 24 October 2016, 23:07:45
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Post by: waqar on Tue, 25 October 2016, 14:29:26
Small little post, 3D render of the new colorway because people asked for it. Sorry I haven't been able to post any new updates. Updates coming soon, I promise!Show Image(https://images-2.discordapp.net/.eJwFwcERwiAQAMBeKICDA-TI2z4ySJBEiTBweTn27u5XXKOKRezMfS4A2zFTG5uc3EYsWZbWSs2xH1OmdkJkjmk_84cnoFHkFQZ0iC6QVRrQKqO90jeyRC5o68Hc1-dV6_p-yFcv4vcHaWMjeA.MFltwI-HD7KEg87FBAxhCF7jSac?width=2000&height=1125)
Looks nice, it would look even better if had Icon modifiers ;D. Shut up and take my money :p
Post by: ideus on Tue, 25 October 2016, 16:13:26
(http://i.imgur.com/SIzey1k.png)
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 25 October 2016, 16:32:17
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 25 October 2016, 21:36:17
Small little post, 3D render of the new colorway because people asked for it. Sorry I haven't been able to post any new updates. Updates coming soon, I promise!Show Image(https://images-2.discordapp.net/.eJwFwcERwiAQAMBeKICDA-TI2z4ySJBEiTBweTn27u5XXKOKRezMfS4A2zFTG5uc3EYsWZbWSs2xH1OmdkJkjmk_84cnoFHkFQZ0iC6QVRrQKqO90jeyRC5o68Hc1-dV6_p-yFcv4vcHaWMjeA.MFltwI-HD7KEg87FBAxhCF7jSac?width=2000&height=1125)
Looks nice, it would look even better if had Icon modifiers ;D. Shut up and take my money :p
This render is just to show the colorway. We can add icons :D
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 25 October 2016, 21:38:16
A minimalist Banana Split.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SIzey1k.png)
Hehe awesome to see you guys messing around with layouts. It's sweet that we can support so many different options.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 25 October 2016, 22:13:11
A minimalist Banana Split.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SIzey1k.png)
Hehe awesome to see you guys messing around with layouts. It's sweet that we can support so many different options.
It'd be only if a plate with blocked corners is available. :p
Post by: curvie on Wed, 26 October 2016, 03:54:00
Looking forward to this GB :)
Post by: JonBeGreen on Thu, 27 October 2016, 06:14:51
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 27 October 2016, 10:45:16
This is amazing! I'm in for one of everything :thumb:
Glad to hear :D
Post by: Omnipotent on Sat, 29 October 2016, 01:35:36
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/59xeag/gb_universal_60_steel_kit_group_buy/
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 29 October 2016, 10:38:52
There is a GB going for a brushed stainless steel 60% plate and bent steel case. Anyone know if this PCB will be able to fit into it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/59xeag/gb_universal_60_steel_kit_group_buy/
Yes. See the HHKB Style Backspace in the OP. Pretty much every other 60% PCB supports that layout as well.
Post by: Omnipotent on Sat, 29 October 2016, 12:23:40
Awesome! Just wanted to make sure. Looks like I will be making a Banana Split then. :)There is a GB going for a brushed stainless steel 60% plate and bent steel case. Anyone know if this PCB will be able to fit into it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/59xeag/gb_universal_60_steel_kit_group_buy/
Yes. See the HHKB Style Backspace in the OP. Pretty much every other 60% PCB supports that layout as well.
If 4 more people order one of those cases then it'll be only $35 for a full brushed stainless steel 60% plate and bent steel case.
Post by: jal on Sat, 29 October 2016, 14:05:37
If 4 more people order one of those cases then it'll be only $35 for a full brushed stainless steel 60% plate and bent steel case.There is a GB going for a brushed stainless steel 60% plate and bent steel case. Anyone know if this PCB will be able to fit into it?Yes. See the HHKB Style Backspace in the OP. Pretty much every other 60% PCB supports that layout as well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/59xeag/gb_universal_60_steel_kit_group_buy/
Hint, hint. I'm tempted to get another, but only want to if the price drops.
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 29 October 2016, 14:18:14
There is a GB going for a brushed stainless steel 60% plate and bent steel case. Anyone know if this PCB will be able to fit into it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/59xeag/gb_universal_60_steel_kit_group_buy/
Yeah it will support standard 60% cases :D. Glad to hear you are going to join the GB.
Post by: apaskal on Thu, 03 November 2016, 09:31:43
[attachimg=1]
Post by: ReverbSlush on Thu, 03 November 2016, 10:30:31
Except for the arrows, home/end/pgU/pgD placement...
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 03 November 2016, 10:53:24
HHKB Banana Split
(Attachment Link)
I don't think we can support that layout with the available options we have, but something very similar can be achieved. With the 3rd layout.
Post by: apaskal on Thu, 03 November 2016, 11:05:45
HHKB Banana Split
(Attachment Link)
I don't think we can support that layout with the available options we have, but something very similar can be achieved. With the 3rd layout.
I wish you'll be able
[attachimg=1]
Post by: tobsn on Thu, 03 November 2016, 11:08:47
Post by: evangs on Thu, 03 November 2016, 11:18:49
@Arhipio who's building the PCB?I am :)
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Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 03 November 2016, 11:38:07
HHKB Banana Split
(Attachment Link)
I don't think we can support that layout with the available options we have, but something very similar can be achieved. With the 3rd layout.
I wish you'll be able
(Attachment Link)
Huh, interesting I guess it could be possible. I imagine the spacing wouldn't be perfect.
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 03 November 2016, 11:39:19
@Arhipio who's building the PCB?I am :)
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+1 :thumb:
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 09 November 2016, 22:07:41
Post by: ticktwo on Thu, 10 November 2016, 03:02:20
Post by: tomboy on Thu, 10 November 2016, 03:49:49
Hey guys sorry for the lack of updates, I'm hoping we can release more information on the PCB this week! In the meantime if you haven't already check out the Borealis set that I worked on with Jme. http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dsa-borealis-keyset/
:thumb:
Post by: ideus on Thu, 10 November 2016, 07:15:47
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 10 November 2016, 10:56:00
No worries about updates; but, what is the status of the project? :p
We're in the process of finalizing the PCB and atm we are in contact with a company that will produce our plates. I'll take to Jme later to see if we can get some more renders and new potential colorways for the keyset.
Post by: jgodinez302 on Thu, 10 November 2016, 11:29:15
Post by: FioraCorp on Thu, 10 November 2016, 14:14:51
Post by: yasintahir on Wed, 16 November 2016, 09:24:47
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 17 November 2016, 17:27:21
Post by: ideus on Thu, 17 November 2016, 20:33:08
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Tue, 22 November 2016, 01:22:00
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 30 November 2016, 11:00:28
Thanks for the continued support :thumb:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/230138086007373825/253413125968232459/unknown.png)
Edit: Regardless of which layout will be preferred we will produce a custom keycap set to go along with it.
Also I setup a strawpoll so you guys could vote.
http://www.strawpoll.me/11767993 (http://www.strawpoll.me/11767993)
Post by: watsyurdeal on Wed, 30 November 2016, 13:40:46
(http://i.imgur.com/tWSNeRS.png)
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 30 November 2016, 14:07:11
Would this work???Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tWSNeRS.png)
Sadly no, the bottom row only supports standard ansi so (1.25u) and the custom arrow key cluster.
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 30 November 2016, 14:38:54
Hope a sweet case accompanies this.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 30 November 2016, 14:47:47
Just saw this and am hyped to see a good design with arrows for a 60% :).
Hope a sweet case accompanies this.
Thanks man, what's the update on the XDA samples. I ordered Middle Earth, after wanting Granite Elvish for so long.
Post by: Parva Ovis on Wed, 30 November 2016, 15:11:28
That said, I'm in full support of the new layouts.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 30 November 2016, 15:34:13
The old layout supports 2.25u/1.75u/2.25u and the new one does not; 2.25u/1.75u/2.25u has the benefit of being able to switch to a 6.25u spacebar without switches being in the way, but I suspect I'm the only person who even wanted that.
That said, I'm in full support of the new layouts.
Reason why I decided to mess around with it, also the old layout would not allow the 1.25 in between the split spacebars with the arrow key cluster. The old layout supported a splitspacebar only which is similar to this but instead it was two 2.75u with a 1.25u sandwiched in between. And I do remember someone figuring out that 2.25u/1.75u/2.25u was supported, but that was completely on accident. Glad you like the new one, I do too it's much more modular.
Post by: derezzed on Wed, 30 November 2016, 21:21:20
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 30 November 2016, 22:15:12
I don't plan on joining this group buy, so I'm not voting. But, the Banana Split is, hand's down, the best non-unique 60% board I have ever seen. This surpasses the WhiteFox, IMO. Put this in a skeleton case and I would still prefer it over a Korean custom 60% board. If I was going to join this group buy, I would vote for the new design. If you're considering naming your layouts, a la the WhiteFox, would you consider naming one of them the True Banana? Will this still be able to fit into a universal 60% case?
The True Banana, I like it. And yeah the goal of this was a unique splitspacebar/arrow key 60% PCB that will fit all universal 60% cases. Thanks for the compliments means a lot. You can still vote even if you aren't planning on buying one, any support is appreciated.
Post by: apaskal on Thu, 01 December 2016, 10:21:22
I'm still trying to build hhkb banana with this pcb :confused:
[attach=1]
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 01 December 2016, 17:21:03
Post by: derezzed on Thu, 01 December 2016, 23:04:17
I don't plan on joining this group buy, so I'm not voting. But, the Banana Split is, hand's down, the best non-unique 60% board I have ever seen. This surpasses the WhiteFox, IMO. Put this in a skeleton case and I would still prefer it over a Korean custom 60% board. If I was going to join this group buy, I would vote for the new design. If you're considering naming your layouts, a la the WhiteFox, would you consider naming one of them the True Banana? Will this still be able to fit into a universal 60% case?
The True Banana, I like it. And yeah the goal of this was a unique splitspacebar/arrow key 60% PCB that will fit all universal 60% cases. Thanks for the compliments means a lot. You can still vote even if you aren't planning on buying one, any support is appreciated.
Voted. Maybe you should announce the poll in the thread title and put the poll link in the OP to raise awareness of the poll and get more feedback. Also, I apologize for my inappropriate use of an apostrophe in my previous post. I have reported my transgression to the NSA and am awaiting transfer to the regional detention center.
How about Top Banana, but perhaps only Brits will get it?
Top Banana for the ISO layout sounds appropriate. One of this keyboard's features is that it presents many opportunities for banana-related puns. Why not make a sleeve for the Banana Split and call it the Banana Hammock?
Post by: ErectedLine on Thu, 01 December 2016, 23:06:43
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Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 01 December 2016, 23:07:08
I don't plan on joining this group buy, so I'm not voting. But, the Banana Split is, hand's down, the best non-unique 60% board I have ever seen. This surpasses the WhiteFox, IMO. Put this in a skeleton case and I would still prefer it over a Korean custom 60% board. If I was going to join this group buy, I would vote for the new design. If you're considering naming your layouts, a la the WhiteFox, would you consider naming one of them the True Banana? Will this still be able to fit into a universal 60% case?
The True Banana, I like it. And yeah the goal of this was a unique splitspacebar/arrow key 60% PCB that will fit all universal 60% cases. Thanks for the compliments means a lot. You can still vote even if you aren't planning on buying one, any support is appreciated.
Yeah I'll update the post later tonight :D.
Voted. Maybe you should announce the poll in the thread title and put the poll link in the OP to raise awareness of the poll and get more feedback. Also, I apologize for my inappropriate use of an apostrophe in my previous post. I have reported my transgression to the NSA and am awaiting transfer to the regional detention center.How about Top Banana, but perhaps only Brits will get it?
Top Banana for the ISO layout sounds appropriate. One of this keyboard's features is that it presents many opportunities for banana-related puns. Why not make a sleeve for the Banana Split and call it the Banana Hammock?
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 02 December 2016, 00:35:42
Post by: FioraCorp on Fri, 02 December 2016, 17:08:59
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 03 December 2016, 00:18:29
Holy crap that new layout is so nice.
:)
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 03 December 2016, 00:30:13
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 03 December 2016, 14:05:33
Updated post with new sections that I will periodically fill out with information on the status of the project. New replies will still be posted in conjunction with the original post.
It's been great to track the progression of this PCB. While the latest version seems to be a big more 'conventional' than some of it's predecessors, I think people will be really happy with it.
I know I personally was a bit skeptical about split space bars until I used a '3 key' split with the middle key as a Fn. Now I want that layout on more of my collection!
With the current options it's possible to use all 4 shift sizes. That means most keysets will be able to provide full coverage without the need to hunt for more shifts! The ability to have all the correct profiles AND full color co-ordination make me want to try that out.
(http://i.imgur.com/MBie9Kj.png)
I dub it the 'Full Banana' :))
Post by: gadzkun on Thu, 08 December 2016, 05:35:54
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 08 December 2016, 11:14:40
will it compatible with common 60% case?
The layout fits standard 60% dimensions which will allow the use of standard 60% cases ie. Poker and TEX.
Post by: gadzkun on Fri, 09 December 2016, 00:05:22
will it compatible with common 60% case?
The layout fits standard 60% dimensions which will allow the use of standard 60% cases ie. Poker and TEX.
sweeettt~ joining for sure :p
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 09 December 2016, 05:49:44
[attachimg=1]
The bottom row that I suggest requires the removal of one screw. But I think that it is not a big deal, since there are 5 screws left.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Fri, 09 December 2016, 07:07:44
[attachimg=1]
I actually want Fn-Space-Shift, but Space-Fn-Shift works too. :p
As for keycaps, I guess I need 2.25u Spacebar and 1.75u Fn.
I can just "flip" the 2nd Enter to use as Spacebar, but as for this 1.75u Fn... :(
Post by: ideus on Fri, 09 December 2016, 12:05:20
here is my layout.
(Attachment Link)
I actually want Fn-Space-Shift, but Space-Fn-Shift works too. :p
As for keycaps, I guess I need 2.25u Spacebar and 1.75u Fn.
I can just "flip" the 2nd Enter to use as Spacebar, but as for this 1.75u Fn... :(
No right shift? Someone should take some serious typing lessons.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Fri, 09 December 2016, 22:55:35
here is my layout.
(Attachment Link)
I actually want Fn-Space-Shift, but Space-Fn-Shift works too. :p
As for keycaps, I guess I need 2.25u Spacebar and 1.75u Fn.
I can just "flip" the 2nd Enter to use as Spacebar, but as for this 1.75u Fn... :(
No right shift? Someone should take some serious typing lessons.
there is, it is after the "Fn" (Space - Fn - Shift)
I don't use my right thumb, so I was thinking of how to make it useful :p
EDIT: and you're right, I probably have to retrain my typing, as of now it's very sad 60 wpm :-X
Post by: derezzed on Sun, 11 December 2016, 21:22:14
[attach=1]
At first, I was skeptical about having two different sized keys for the split space bar, but I aligned a 2.25u, 1.25u, and 2.75u key with the standard space bar on my keyboard and discovered the version 2 layout options actually allow me to make more effective use of my thumbs.
Post by: viridius on Mon, 12 December 2016, 12:50:59
[attachimg=1]
How difficult would finding a case/plate be?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 12 December 2016, 12:54:13
here is my layout.
(Attachment Link)
I actually want Fn-Space-Shift, but Space-Fn-Shift works too. :p
As for keycaps, I guess I need 2.25u Spacebar and 1.75u Fn.
I can just "flip" the 2nd Enter to use as Spacebar, but as for this 1.75u Fn... :(
No right shift? Someone should take some serious typing lessons.
there is, it is after the "Fn" (Space - Fn - Shift)
I don't use my right thumb, so I was thinking of how to make it useful :p
EDIT: and you're right, I probably have to retrain my typing, as of now it's very sad 60 wpm :-X
I considered a layout with no right shift, once; however, I found it highly inefficient.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 21 December 2016, 11:58:15
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Wed, 21 December 2016, 19:33:34
Post by: derezzed on Wed, 21 December 2016, 23:14:17
With the holiday season coming up I haven't had too much time to work on the project. At the moment I have a case idea and I am working on the 3d models for it. It will have an aluminum body with an acrylic mid-piece to let the PCB's rgb underglow shine through. Also we scrapped the original design for the keycap set, but we have a brand new one that I will be announcing sometime next week. :thumb:
I really liked the original Roasted Banana colorway. I hope it gets made some day.
Post by: apaskal on Thu, 22 December 2016, 01:21:11
With the holiday season coming up I haven't had too much time to work on the project. At the moment I have a case idea and I am working on the 3d models for it. It will have an aluminum body with an acrylic mid-piece to let the PCB's rgb underglow shine through. Also we scrapped the original design for the keycap set, but we have a brand new one that I will be announcing sometime next week. :thumb:
Let me tell some ideas to make project harder to implement :)
Is it possible to design keyboard case to stand it up on top of 13 inch laptop keyboard and not to press any laptop's keys?
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 22 December 2016, 01:33:18
With the holiday season coming up I haven't had too much time to work on the project. At the moment I have a case idea and I am working on the 3d models for it. It will have an aluminum body with an acrylic mid-piece to let the PCB's rgb underglow shine through. Also we scrapped the original design for the keycap set, but we have a brand new one that I will be announcing sometime next week. :thumb:
Let me tell some ideas to make project harder to implement :)
Is it possible to design keyboard case to stand it up on top of 13 inch laptop keyboard and not to press any laptop's keys?
Pretty sure you can disable the on board keyboard in device manager. Doesn't require a fancy custom case :P
Post by: apaskal on Thu, 22 December 2016, 01:47:20
With the holiday season coming up I haven't had too much time to work on the project. At the moment I have a case idea and I am working on the 3d models for it. It will have an aluminum body with an acrylic mid-piece to let the PCB's rgb underglow shine through. Also we scrapped the original design for the keycap set, but we have a brand new one that I will be announcing sometime next week. :thumb:
Let me tell some ideas to make project harder to implement :)
Is it possible to design keyboard case to stand it up on top of 13 inch laptop keyboard and not to press any laptop's keys?
Pretty sure you can disable the on board keyboard in device manager. Doesn't require a fancy custom case :P
Wow! A good idea, I'm stupid :-[
For Ubuntu you have to use
xinput float
command.
Thank you! :-*
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 24 December 2016, 00:43:34
2D Renders:
(http://i.imgur.com/l1H9HYq.png)
Rough image of extra keys that will be included for HHKB/ISO/ANSI. This was done in KLE I'll work on the vector files some time tomorrow (Posted 12/23).
(http://i.imgur.com/7SlEMYp.png)
3D Renders:
(http://i.imgur.com/8gm3VUg.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/QDWptP6.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/lhWV8iY.png)
I can't wait to hear back from you guys, and like always flood the forum with feedback and suggestions! :thumb:
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sat, 24 December 2016, 00:49:14
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 24 December 2016, 00:57:59
I know this is probably a long shot by now, but is there any chance of making the shift row have a .25u stagger and a 2u left-shift like the HHKB JP has?
The layout is final at this point, it's gone through a lot of revisions and I think many and myself included are happy with it's current capabilities.
Post by: apaskal on Sat, 24 December 2016, 01:05:34
But if there will be no "/?" key then I'm off.
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 24 December 2016, 01:32:10
Nice colors!
But if there will be no "/?" key then I'm off.
Rough image of extra keys that will be included for HHKB/ISO/ANSI. This was done in KLE I'll work on the vector files some time tomorrow. So don't worry everything will be covered :).
(http://i.imgur.com/7SlEMYp.png)
Post by: apaskal on Sat, 24 December 2016, 02:11:15
I know this is probably a long shot by now, but is there any chance of making the shift row have a .25u stagger and a 2u left-shift like the HHKB JP has?
The layout is final at this point, it's gone through a lot of revisions and I think many and myself included are happy with it's current capabilities.
Ok. Let us see PCB image of final layout please :)
Post by: ideus on Sat, 24 December 2016, 09:50:00
Nice colors!
But if there will be no "/?" key then I'm off.
Rough image of extra keys that will be included for HHKB/ISO/ANSI. This was done in KLE I'll work on the vector files some time tomorrow. So don't worry everything will be covered :) .Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7SlEMYp.png)
The set is missing a 1.5u Backspace or Delete key to cover the required keys for the HHKB layout.
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 24 December 2016, 12:49:38
Nice colors!
But if there will be no "/?" key then I'm off.
Rough image of extra keys that will be included for HHKB/ISO/ANSI. This was done in KLE I'll work on the vector files some time tomorrow. So don't worry everything will be covered :) .Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7SlEMYp.png)
The set is missing a 1.5u Backspace or Delete key to cover the required keys for the HHKB layout.
Oh yeah I'll add that in later today, I just want to get a feel of what people think of the set as a whole (color scheme, novelties).
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 24 December 2016, 13:56:28
(http://i.imgur.com/GmLtOn0.png)
Updated post with the new 2D render.
Post by: Phenix on Sat, 24 December 2016, 14:18:50
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 24 December 2016, 14:44:23
Will there be an international kit?
Probably not, we want to keep costs down and honestly the only reason we are offering ISO is because we want to cover every layout the board has. Legends might not be exactly what you want, but you'll have caps that'll cover a board.
Edit: If the set were ever produced on it's own in TKL fashion, International would probably be included as an additional kit, as this set is designed to accommodate the specific PCB we are sticking to the bare minimum to make it affordable.
Post by: Phenix on Sat, 24 December 2016, 14:46:31
Post by: ReverbSlush on Sat, 24 December 2016, 14:49:16
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 24 December 2016, 14:52:59
I like the new keycap set a lot. I was thinking it would be a flop because the original banana was nice, but this is extra nice!
Glad to hear :)
Post by: ideus on Sat, 24 December 2016, 17:15:11
Edit: I suggest to include space bars sets, for the split option, in standard base colors like beige and black, to mix and match with existing sets. DSA and DCS will be needed.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 24 December 2016, 17:30:21
Here's what will be included with the entire keycap set. There will be no additional kits all of these caps will be together as the base kit. It will have support for standard ANSI and ISO as well as support for all the new unique layouts.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GmLtOn0.png)
Updated post with the new 2D render.
Would you consider to include space bars in the base color, also?
I agree, if I were to buy the set I'd like full spacebar options. At least one color of blank key for each size that the PCB supoorts (currently missing the 2.25 blank). Mulitple colors would be a big plus.
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 24 December 2016, 17:54:45
Here's what will be included with the entire keycap set. There will be no additional kits all of these caps will be together as the base kit. It will have support for standard ANSI and ISO as well as support for all the new unique layouts.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GmLtOn0.png)
Updated post with the new 2D render.Would you consider to include space bars in the base color, also?
I agree, if I were to buy the set I'd like full spacebar options. At least one color of blank key for each size that the PCB supoorts (currently missing the 2.25 blank). Mulitple colors would be a big plus.
If enough people want we can make the entire split spacebar blank, we could potentially add different colors like the dark blue spacebar option. I'm really interested in the idea of selling a separate split spacebar pack that would support popular DSA keysets like Borealis and Granite, and also just having some basic white, gray, black colored ones. Thanks for the suggestions :).
Post by: ideus on Sat, 24 December 2016, 17:59:32
Post by: breckstar on Mon, 26 December 2016, 16:06:41
Post by: aznreaper on Mon, 26 December 2016, 16:51:16
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 28 December 2016, 12:53:23
This is a really cool idea, just want to confirm, so will this be avaliable to purchase as the PCB since it already fits the standard case and plates? I think it could be nice to have this as an option to those who already have a case and want to try the split space on the cheap
Yup you'll have the option of purchasing only the PCB. For people who want a full kit we will additionally offer a case, plates, and a keyset. :)
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 28 December 2016, 16:47:15
Post by: waqar on Wed, 28 December 2016, 17:20:35
Godspeed
Dasher & Dancer
Royal Navy
Post by: Parva Ovis on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:23:06
The Amazing ChocolatierThe first three are SA, not DSA.
Godspeed
Dasher & Dancer
Royal Navy
Post by: ideus on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:29:58
By classic beige I meant the base color of beige sets, I know there is no a DSA set in that color but these bars can be mix and matched with existing sets.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:33:23
This is a really cool idea, just want to confirm, so will this be avaliable to purchase as the PCB since it already fits the standard case and plates? I think it could be nice to have this as an option to those who already have a case and want to try the split space on the cheap
Yup you'll have the option of purchasing only the PCB. For people who want a full kit we will additionally offer a case, plates, and a keyset. :)
cool!
I have plan for 2 boards but if my wallet permit, I will take 3.
not sure if I will get the case and plate.
I'm thinking of hosting a poll with around 10 popular DSA keycap set. I'm thinking the top 5 will be added to the split-spacebar pack. Tell me what you guys think of this. The current key sets I have in mind: Borealis, Lightcycles, Granite, Overcast and Hana. My mind is blanking atm post any other popular set that comes to mind and I'll add it to the list. The pack would also include some basic colors like black and white. For sets like Granite and Overcast we may not even need to include them as an option they since they would be covered by the standard colors.
DSA Wolf Mark ;D
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do you mean you will offer (one of) these as a whole set, not just separate kits?
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:52:27
I'd suggest Classic Beige, HF, Retro and Dolch.
By classic beige I meant the base color of beige sets, I know there is no a DSA set in that color but these bars can be mix and matched with existing sets.
Very true, I'll add beige to the polls.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:54:05
I'd suggest Classic Beige, HF, Retro and Dolch.
By classic beige I meant the base color of beige sets, I know there is no a DSA set in that color but these bars can be mix and matched with existing sets.
Very true, I'll add beige to the polls.
Awesome, thank you.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:54:56
This is a really cool idea, just want to confirm, so will this be avaliable to purchase as the PCB since it already fits the standard case and plates? I think it could be nice to have this as an option to those who already have a case and want to try the split space on the cheap
Yup you'll have the option of purchasing only the PCB. For people who want a full kit we will additionally offer a case, plates, and a keyset. :)
cool!
I have plan for 2 boards but if my wallet permit, I will take 3.
not sure if I will get the case and plate.I'm thinking of hosting a poll with around 10 popular DSA keycap set. I'm thinking the top 5 will be added to the split-spacebar pack. Tell me what you guys think of this. The current key sets I have in mind: Borealis, Lightcycles, Granite, Overcast and Hana. My mind is blanking atm post any other popular set that comes to mind and I'll add it to the list. The pack would also include some basic colors like black and white. For sets like Granite and Overcast we may not even need to include them as an option they since they would be covered by the standard colors.
DSA Wolf Mark ;D
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do you mean you will offer (one of) these as a whole set, not just separate kits?
The kits would be 5 or so sets of split-spacebars (2u, 2.75u and 2.25u) that would accommodate a portion of existing DSA sets and just some neutral colors like black,white and beige that would look good universally. This is a super rough estimate but I would imagine them costing around $15 for all 5. They would just be sold in a set, not individually.
Post by: derezzed on Wed, 28 December 2016, 22:08:07
This is a really cool idea, just want to confirm, so will this be avaliable to purchase as the PCB since it already fits the standard case and plates? I think it could be nice to have this as an option to those who already have a case and want to try the split space on the cheap
Yup you'll have the option of purchasing only the PCB. For people who want a full kit we will additionally offer a case, plates, and a keyset. :)
I'm strongly considering getting a plate and PCB (and maybe a case).
Post by: kmba on Thu, 05 January 2017, 23:43:01
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 06 January 2017, 00:15:51
In for updates.
There may be some downtime until February. Evan has a lot on his plate right now and so this month we might not get much done. But hopefully in February we can go full force and finish plate, PCB and case design. In the meantime I'll work on some 3d renders for the case and hopefully I can get them to you guys soon. We are still very excited about this project and can't wait to continue work on it. :thumb:
Post by: toneman77 on Wed, 11 January 2017, 09:42:35
(http://i.imgur.com/EJEzYFb.png)
KLE here (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/d8bfa2b241fda846c464a2f5823edd9d)
awesome...
Post by: sithlord on Wed, 11 January 2017, 11:16:31
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 11 January 2017, 14:24:53
Whoa. Saw this thread way too late... So that means sth like that would be possible?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EJEzYFb.png)
KLE here (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/d8bfa2b241fda846c464a2f5823edd9d)
awesome...
Yup
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 11 January 2017, 14:25:55
I just found out about this PCB. Would definitely want to get at least a PCB and plate for arrow layout.
Glad to hear, our focus right now is going to be purely on the plate and pcb. We might the save the case and caps for round 2.
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 12 January 2017, 02:56:03
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 12 January 2017, 21:07:25
The set is just 2 keys short of HHKB number row support... (backslash and tilde)
Those are included check the 2 bottom keys in the 2d render.
Post by: kmba on Mon, 16 January 2017, 10:25:30
Post by: Parva Ovis on Mon, 16 January 2017, 10:45:35
Maybe this has been asked. The 3d renders show a split space with two keys, while the 2d renders and supported layout pics of not show this layout, only a split with three keys. Is the 3d render layout possible?I wouldn't put stock in the renders being accurate, as they show a 1.25u/1u/1.25u cluster on the left side, with Swim being only 1u even though the PCB doesn't have that as an option.
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 16 January 2017, 12:08:44
Maybe this has been asked. The 3d renders show a split space with two keys, while the 2d renders and supported layout pics of not show this layout, only a split with three keys. Is the 3d render layout possible?
Yeah that was before we changed the layout. We didn't bother changing it because the look of the keysets remains the same :) . And no the 2d render is what you should expect.
Post by: kmba on Mon, 16 January 2017, 12:54:08
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 16 January 2017, 14:23:27
Sad face. Really want a split between the v and b keys only, as b n m area splits get in the way. Thanks
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tried offering as many different options as I could.
Post by: kmba on Mon, 16 January 2017, 15:01:35
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 16 January 2017, 15:57:03
No worries. It's a great looking setup, and I'll probably end up grabbing one anyway since I sold my last 60%, just won't be using a split.
:thumb:
Post by: ideus on Sun, 22 January 2017, 17:26:36
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 22 January 2017, 20:59:12
Is pricing information available yet? Please dismiss the question if it has been posted already, I did not read the thread entirely.
No not yet, good news though evan messaged me telling me he started working on the new revised pcb (with the new layout). Hopefully we can get updates for you guys pretty soon.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:04:26
Is pricing information available yet? Please dismiss the question if it has been posted already, I did not read the thread entirely.
No not yet, good news though evan messaged me telling me he started working on the new revised pcb (with the new layout). Hopefully we can get updates for you guys pretty soon.
Thank you for the answer, this is a great project, that if it is in the right price bracket will be a hit.
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:35:26
Is pricing information available yet? Please dismiss the question if it has been posted already, I did not read the thread entirely.
No not yet, good news though evan messaged me telling me he started working on the new revised pcb (with the new layout). Hopefully we can get updates for you guys pretty soon.
Thank you for the answer, this is a great project, that if it is in the right price bracket will be a hit.
:thumb: It's a passion project, means a lot to have this much support. None of this would be possible without evan he has done so much for this project, glad to be working with him. :thumb:
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 26 January 2017, 20:56:15
Tell me what you think we are thinking of aluminum for the material.
http://imgur.com/a/t2E4J (http://imgur.com/a/t2E4J)
Post by: derezzed on Fri, 27 January 2017, 20:14:12
Post by: sithlord on Sat, 28 January 2017, 23:59:01
New update! Finished the plate design. Whipped up some quick renders for you guys to check out. :thumb:
Tell me what you think we are thinking of aluminum for the material.
aluminum is cool.
Would like to see color options if possible but I understand if cost is prohibitive.
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 29 January 2017, 18:32:40
New update! Finished the plate design. Whipped up some quick renders for you guys to check out. :thumb:
Tell me what you think we are thinking of aluminum for the material.
aluminum is cool.
Would like to see color options if possible but I understand if cost is prohibitive.
I'll get back to you on that one, I would love to have the option of having different colors.
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 29 January 2017, 20:22:11
Link to the poll
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd6smZ4vRFGis6-vBGTVvfBgey5xaE1-75we7ekAq15SITdJQ/viewform (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd6smZ4vRFGis6-vBGTVvfBgey5xaE1-75we7ekAq15SITdJQ/viewform)
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 29 January 2017, 23:05:20
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 31 January 2017, 12:19:33
(http://i.imgur.com/FwtiE2y.png)
Since the poll votes were so close. I want to try and include an option for both steel and aluminum plates. Seeing how the cost for manufacturing and the material for both should be roughly the same. Tell me what you guys think about this.
As for plate cost I'm still waiting for a quote, it will be somewhere in the $30-40 price range. As for pcb's evan said they will probably be $40 each.
Post by: megaforce on Tue, 31 January 2017, 13:49:33
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 31 January 2017, 20:17:32
Love the progress on this, keep up the good work! Will be in a for a plate and PCB :)
Glad to hear, awesome meeting you at the meetup :D. We should play some league later mayhaps? :thumb:
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 31 January 2017, 23:22:03
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSceCVpbZkCy-vVFW4zkt7kl2dXsD3iNDB3KfvSsx7uZg57QaA/viewform (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSceCVpbZkCy-vVFW4zkt7kl2dXsD3iNDB3KfvSsx7uZg57QaA/viewform)
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 03 February 2017, 20:30:55
Post by: Giorgio on Mon, 06 February 2017, 06:06:50
Would this layout be possible?
[attachimg=1]
This one surely is possible:
[attachimg=2]
Post by: Parva Ovis on Mon, 06 February 2017, 07:22:40
Would this layout be possible?No. The pcb only can do 1.25/1.25/1.25 on the left side of the bottom row. Thus there also wouldn't be a place for a stabilizer to go for that spacebar.
(Attachment Link)
Post by: Giorgio on Mon, 06 February 2017, 09:12:58
Would this layout be possible?No. The pcb only can do 1.25/1.25/1.25 on the left side of the bottom row. Thus there also wouldn't be a place for a stabilizer to go for that spacebar.
(Attachment Link)
Thanks, this pcb is very good anyway, since the second variant is possible.
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 06 February 2017, 18:06:25
Would this layout be possible?No. The pcb only can do 1.25/1.25/1.25 on the left side of the bottom row. Thus there also wouldn't be a place for a stabilizer to go for that spacebar.
(Attachment Link)
Beat me to it!
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 06 February 2017, 18:07:56
Post by: geauxtig3rs on Mon, 06 February 2017, 23:10:30
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Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 06 February 2017, 23:25:39
This is definitely going to be my first group buy... This is the only PCB that looks to even come close to the layout that I want.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
I'm glad you like it :D
Post by: Giorgio on Tue, 07 February 2017, 02:27:18
Pricing? Faster production?
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 07 February 2017, 08:41:15
Why have you chosen SP instead of GMK?
Pricing? Faster production?
SP because the profile picked is DSA. GMK don't offer that.
Post by: gadzkun on Tue, 07 February 2017, 09:12:57
Post by: Giorgio on Tue, 07 February 2017, 10:02:58
Why have you chosen SP instead of GMK?
Pricing? Faster production?
SP because the profile picked is DSA. GMK don't offer that.
Well... whatever... :))
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 07 February 2017, 19:19:17
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 07 February 2017, 19:20:58
the price was nice! i think i will get 2 PCB(for split and normal) :p
Awesome, thanks for the support :D
Post by: gadzkun on Tue, 07 February 2017, 22:00:07
the price was nice! i think i will get 2 PCB(for split and normal) :p
Awesome, thanks for the support :D
im usually dont like 60% board(i dont even had ones), but this one had arrow keys so i must have it ;)
Post by: geekhackuserx on Tue, 07 February 2017, 22:12:59
Post by: geauxtig3rs on Fri, 10 February 2017, 22:30:36
Post by: TheMissingPiece on Tue, 14 February 2017, 10:55:02
I don't know if it's too much trouble (and I'm pretty sure it is), but would it be possible to implement the shifted R4 as seen on the XD60? https://world.taobao.com/item/537485105086.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.9RWSHi#detail
(http://blob:http://imgur.com/7b198ac6-03dc-490d-af46-d81338e61b94)
I'd really like to keep both my arrows and my question mark, if possible. That, combined with a split space setup, would make this board an instant buy from me. If not, no big deal. I can bind the question mark elsewhere :P
Post by: zer09 on Tue, 14 February 2017, 20:07:36
Looking forward to this project!
I don't know if it's too much trouble (and I'm pretty sure it is), but would it be possible to implement the shifted R4 as seen on the XD60? https://world.taobao.com/item/537485105086.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.9RWSHi#detailShow Image(http://blob:http://imgur.com/7b198ac6-03dc-490d-af46-d81338e61b94)
I'd really like to keep both my arrows and my question mark, if possible. That, combined with a split space setup, would make this board an instant buy from me. If not, no big deal. I can bind the question mark elsewhere :P
Yeah that would be nice, especially for dvorak user. Because our letter Z is on the question mark key.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 14 February 2017, 21:10:02
Looking forward to this project!
I don't know if it's too much trouble (and I'm pretty sure it is), but would it be possible to implement the shifted R4 as seen on the XD60? https://world.taobao.com/item/537485105086.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.9RWSHi#detailShow Image(http://blob:http://imgur.com/7b198ac6-03dc-490d-af46-d81338e61b94)
I'd really like to keep both my arrows and my question mark, if possible. That, combined with a split space setup, would make this board an instant buy from me. If not, no big deal. I can bind the question mark elsewhere :P
Yeah that would be nice, especially for dvorak user. Because our letter Z is on the question mark key.
The way we want to implement the question mark key is through firmware, holding the shift key results in a shift key press. While tapping on it produces a question mark. This is something we can do through qmk.
I'm also not understanding what you mean by the shifted fourth row, from what I see in the pictures xd60 has a similair r4 to the banana, can you maybe a post a picture or a different link. Or I might just be blind :p
Edit: Are you talking about having a short shift and using the extra key to shift the row down? Because if so the board will already offer the left short shift.
Post by: zer09 on Tue, 14 February 2017, 21:52:46
The way we want to implement the question mark key is through firmware, holding the shift key results in a shift key press. While tapping on it produces a question mark. This is something we can do through qmk.
ahh didn't know that, I am good with that.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 14 February 2017, 22:13:32
The way we want to implement the question mark key is through firmware, holding the shift key results in a shift key press. While tapping on it produces a question mark. This is something we can do through qmk.
ahh didn't know that, I am good with that.
No problem :D
Post by: TheMissingPiece on Tue, 14 February 2017, 23:08:09
Looking forward to this project!
I don't know if it's too much trouble (and I'm pretty sure it is), but would it be possible to implement the shifted R4 as seen on the XD60? https://world.taobao.com/item/537485105086.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.9RWSHi#detailShow Image(http://blob:http://imgur.com/7b198ac6-03dc-490d-af46-d81338e61b94)
I'd really like to keep both my arrows and my question mark, if possible. That, combined with a split space setup, would make this board an instant buy from me. If not, no big deal. I can bind the question mark elsewhere :P
Yeah that would be nice, especially for dvorak user. Because our letter Z is on the question mark key.
The way we want to implement the question mark key is through firmware, holding the shift key results in a shift key press. While tapping on it produces a question mark. This is something we can do through qmk.
I'm also not understanding what you mean by the shifted fourth row, from what I see in the pictures xd60 has a similair r4 to the banana, can you maybe a post a picture or a different link. Or I might just be blind :p
Edit: Are you talking about having a short shift and using the extra key to shift the row down? Because if so the board will already offer the left short shift.
Yeah. On the XD60 (and the HHKB JIS I believe), the left shift is 2U, allowing for an extra key to be fitted in on the right. In short, I'd like to have a 2u left shift, and have the rest of the keys on that row be 1u. Does that make sense?
If that's supported, I'm excited! If not...well, I'm still excited!
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 14 February 2017, 23:51:24
Looking forward to this project!
I don't know if it's too much trouble (and I'm pretty sure it is), but would it be possible to implement the shifted R4 as seen on the XD60? https://world.taobao.com/item/537485105086.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.9RWSHi#detailShow Image(http://blob:http://imgur.com/7b198ac6-03dc-490d-af46-d81338e61b94)
I'd really like to keep both my arrows and my question mark, if possible. That, combined with a split space setup, would make this board an instant buy from me. If not, no big deal. I can bind the question mark elsewhere :P
Yeah that would be nice, especially for dvorak user. Because our letter Z is on the question mark key.
The way we want to implement the question mark key is through firmware, holding the shift key results in a shift key press. While tapping on it produces a question mark. This is something we can do through qmk.
I'm also not understanding what you mean by the shifted fourth row, from what I see in the pictures xd60 has a similair r4 to the banana, can you maybe a post a picture or a different link. Or I might just be blind :p
Edit: Are you talking about having a short shift and using the extra key to shift the row down? Because if so the board will already offer the left short shift.
Yeah. On the XD60 (and the HHKB JIS I believe), the left shift is 2U, allowing for an extra key to be fitted in on the right. In short, I'd like to have a 2u left shift, and have the rest of the keys on that row be 1u. Does that make sense?
If that's supported, I'm excited! If not...well, I'm still excited!
Ah I see what you mean now (actually scrolled down the taobao page and saw the layouts as well). At least for the first groupbuy we probably will not do this, at this point the layout is finalized. We will definitely consider this for future rounds.
Post by: Giorgio on Wed, 15 February 2017, 02:59:36
I haven't really said anything official but at least for this gb, we will only be running the plate and pcb. I think once this gb finishes I want to run the keyset separately or include in that 2nd round for the Banana Split. Sorry if that upsets anyone we just want the basics in check before adding on additional things like caps and cases. :)
Befere selling the complete set, there is something that could boost the sales, it is an addon kit which includes only the split spacebars. This could be made by gmk... flipped shift anyone? I'm sure that this would be a great incentive to buy the pcb :thumb:
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 15 February 2017, 04:11:52
I haven't really said anything official but at least for this gb, we will only be running the plate and pcb. I think once this gb finishes I want to run the keyset separately or include in that 2nd round for the Banana Split. Sorry if that upsets anyone we just want the basics in check before adding on additional things like caps and cases. :)
Befere selling the complete set, there is something that could boost the sales, it is an addon kit which includes only the split spacebars. This could be made by gmk... flipped shift anyone? I'm sure that this would be a great incentive to buy the pcb :thumb:
Someone seriously needs to do this. Split spacebar will be in such demand later in the year.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 15 February 2017, 13:29:44
I haven't really said anything official but at least for this gb, we will only be running the plate and pcb. I think once this gb finishes I want to run the keyset separately or include in that 2nd round for the Banana Split. Sorry if that upsets anyone we just want the basics in check before adding on additional things like caps and cases. :)
Befere selling the complete set, there is something that could boost the sales, it is an addon kit which includes only the split spacebars. This could be made by gmk... flipped shift anyone? I'm sure that this would be a great incentive to buy the pcb :thumb:
I was thinking of something similar but with pmk. I actually ordered the neon rgby set from originative for the sole purpose of using the shift and enter for the split spacebar on my banana. Gmk takes way too long for gb's, but that is something to consider for a future round.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 15 February 2017, 17:51:34
Thanks for all the continued support and suggestions, expect some plate pics in the coming month. :thumb:
Post by: eddible on Wed, 15 February 2017, 23:32:03
I'm smashtheplant on Reddit if you want to check my submissions for examples. :)
Forgot to add, the cases can also be made to take the PCB with the alu plate rather than use the acrylic plate, Pok3r style.
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 16 February 2017, 01:06:55
I've been making acrylic cases (5mm plates, 10mm middles, 3mm bottom plus feet) for various boards and intend to do the same for these. I don't intend on getting into GB territory, I'd just make them to order.
I'm smashtheplant on Reddit if you want to check my submissions for examples. :)
Forgot to add, the cases can also be made to take the PCB with the alu plate rather than use the acrylic plate, Pok3r style.
Awesome to hear, when the gb hits I'll add your name in the post for people who want a case. Maybe we can even organize a gb launch giveaway with your cases :D
Edit: Have any pictures :D ?
Post by: eddible on Thu, 16 February 2017, 01:22:51
I've been making acrylic cases (5mm plates, 10mm middles, 3mm bottom plus feet) for various boards and intend to do the same for these. I don't intend on getting into GB territory, I'd just make them to order.
I'm smashtheplant on Reddit if you want to check my submissions for examples. :)
Forgot to add, the cases can also be made to take the PCB with the alu plate rather than use the acrylic plate, Pok3r style.
Awesome to hear, when the gb hits I'll add your name in the post for people who want a case. Maybe we can even organize a gb launch giveaway with your cases :D
Edit: Have any pictures :D ?
Sounds exciting!
Here are some of the 60% cases:
https://imgur.com/a/TA8Ks
And here's a Planck I did:
https://imgur.com/a/NXilx
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 16 February 2017, 11:14:21
I've been making acrylic cases (5mm plates, 10mm middles, 3mm bottom plus feet) for various boards and intend to do the same for these. I don't intend on getting into GB territory, I'd just make them to order.
I'm smashtheplant on Reddit if you want to check my submissions for examples. :)
Forgot to add, the cases can also be made to take the PCB with the alu plate rather than use the acrylic plate, Pok3r style.
Awesome to hear, when the gb hits I'll add your name in the post for people who want a case. Maybe we can even organize a gb launch giveaway with your cases :D
Edit: Have any pictures :D ?
Sounds exciting!
Here are some of the 60% cases:
https://imgur.com/a/TA8Ks
And here's a Planck I did:
https://imgur.com/a/NXilx
Those look great!
Post by: sithlord on Fri, 17 February 2017, 17:28:35
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 17 February 2017, 21:57:29
Glad to see that things are moving along. Can't wait for the pictures. :thumb:
:thumb:
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 18 February 2017, 12:54:26
Shameless plug:
(http://i.imgur.com/667Fc2O.png)
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 18 February 2017, 17:17:58
Any info on the stabilizer orientation yet? If I end up running the GB of my case I might be interested in offering this PCB. The stab orientation is important to know to prevent the plate to touch the stabilizer housings from above.
Shameless plug:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/667Fc2O.png)
I'm pretty sure we will be using a standard pcb-mounted stab orientation. That case looks really nice. If you want you can PM and I can go into more detail.
Post by: geekhackuserx on Sat, 18 February 2017, 19:02:24
Post by: Rykno on Sat, 18 February 2017, 19:29:15
Do you think there is enough interest to get this to the GB stage? If so, do you have an estimate for when? Tempted to just grab a YAS to hold me over, haha.
any more info on YAS?
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 18 February 2017, 20:41:10
Do you think there is enough interest to get this to the GB stage? If so, do you have an estimate for when? Tempted to just grab a YAS to hold me over, haha.
Oh for sure, we had 150+ entries for people willing to buy the plate and pcb. The plate design is finalized at this point, I'm in contact with a manufacturer and I'll have a prototype for you guys to see in the next 2 weeks. As for the pcb's Evan is in the process of moving so he hasn't had much time. We could convert it to the gb thread but I'd rather do this once we have everything sorted including physical prototypes on hand. There's still work to be done. I don't have an estimate for the gb, trust me I'm getting impatient myself :) .
Post by: Kellybear on Sun, 19 February 2017, 17:21:40
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 19 February 2017, 17:25:04
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 20 February 2017, 14:43:38
Side note: Now using mx/alps switch holes instead of the mx only. They are still compatible with switch top removal.
(http://i.imgur.com/jKTIIW8.png)
Post by: tomboy on Mon, 20 February 2017, 14:45:12
Side note: Now using mx/alps switch holes instead of the mx only. They are still compatible with switch top removal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jKTIIW8.png)
Awesome!
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 21 February 2017, 18:59:48
Quick update on the plate, I have almost everything done but the ISO area. Big shotout to kawasaki161 he was cool enough to provide all the needed measurements for the pcb stab holes. Here is a picture of the new plate.
Side note: Now using mx/alps switch holes instead of the mx only. They are still compatible with switch top removal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jKTIIW8.png)
Hmm, I don't think that bottom right section is going to work with Alps. The MX switches will have support from the top and bottom edges of the cutout, but the Alps are thinner and will just fall through.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 21 February 2017, 20:17:57
Quick update on the plate, I have almost everything done but the ISO area. Big shotout to kawasaki161 he was cool enough to provide all the needed measurements for the pcb stab holes. Here is a picture of the new plate.
Side note: Now using mx/alps switch holes instead of the mx only. They are still compatible with switch top removal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jKTIIW8.png)
Hmm, I don't think that bottom right section is going to work with Alps. The MX switches will have support from the top and bottom edges of the cutout, but the Alps are thinner and will just fall through.
That's probably true, but the board won't have alps support. The reasoning behind the mx/alps holes is because the waterjet or laser cutting process is much cheaper compared to the regular cherry holes.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 21 February 2017, 20:19:26
(http://i.imgur.com/zibvz3L.png)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 21 February 2017, 20:26:22
Quick update on the plate, I have almost everything done but the ISO area. Big shotout to kawasaki161 he was cool enough to provide all the needed measurements for the pcb stab holes. Here is a picture of the new plate.
Side note: Now using mx/alps switch holes instead of the mx only. They are still compatible with switch top removal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jKTIIW8.png)
Hmm, I don't think that bottom right section is going to work with Alps. The MX switches will have support from the top and bottom edges of the cutout, but the Alps are thinner and will just fall through.
That's probably true, but the board won't have alps support. The reasoning behind the mx/alps holes is because the waterjet or laser cutting process is much cheaper compared to the regular cherry holes.
Right, fair enough :) I guess some people (me) will jump to the conclusion that a plate with mx/alps switch holes will have been made to work with Alps. Might be good to just underline that point when it hits GB.
Whats the source for MX/Alps switch holes allowing you to still remove the switch top on MX? I do believe you, but I've never tried to test that myself and I'm now wondering why more people don't go with that option.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 21 February 2017, 20:37:25
Quick update on the plate, I have almost everything done but the ISO area. Big shotout to kawasaki161 he was cool enough to provide all the needed measurements for the pcb stab holes. Here is a picture of the new plate.
Side note: Now using mx/alps switch holes instead of the mx only. They are still compatible with switch top removal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jKTIIW8.png)
Hmm, I don't think that bottom right section is going to work with Alps. The MX switches will have support from the top and bottom edges of the cutout, but the Alps are thinner and will just fall through.
That's probably true, but the board won't have alps support. The reasoning behind the mx/alps holes is because the waterjet or laser cutting process is much cheaper compared to the regular cherry holes.
Right, fair enough :) I guess some people (me) will jump to the conclusion that a plate with mx/alps switch holes will have been made to work with Alps. Might be good to just underline that point when it hits GB.
Whats the source for MX/Alps switch holes allowing you to still remove the switch top on MX? I do believe you, but I've never tried to test that myself and I'm now wondering why more people don't go with that option.
I believe I read up on swillkb's thread about mx/alps allowing switchtop removal. I have a board with these holes so I tested them myself. From my knowledge mx/alps holes have become the norm. LZ, LeadreN, Evangs, and many other use this style of mounting holes for their plates.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 21 February 2017, 23:42:19
(http://i.imgur.com/pc3rfpw.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/rTTcpXW.png)
I made the plates a little thicker on the renders to show off material and add more shadows :P . The actual plates will be standard 1.5 mm so you can click your switches into place.
Post by: megaforce on Wed, 22 February 2017, 10:09:43
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 22 February 2017, 11:30:30
Looking clean! Keep up the good work!
:thumb:
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 22 February 2017, 16:16:45
Post by: dyoungc on Wed, 22 February 2017, 20:45:16
I'm currently deciding between this and the current GB for YAS62 with the split spacebar layout. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0;topicseen
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between these two PCBs?
As far as I can tell, theres:
-more flexibility in bottom left layout and support for different size spacebars/layouts on YAS
-orientation of keys around arrow cluster
-YAS has 0.75u spaces on bottom
I'm on the fence about both, so my choice would really come down to price.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 22 February 2017, 21:12:43
Is there an estimated price on this PCB + plate GB?
I'm currently deciding between this and the current GB for YAS62 with the split spacebar layout. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0;topicseen
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between these two PCBs?
As far as I can tell, theres:
-more flexibility in bottom left layout and support for different size spacebars/layouts on YAS
-orientation of keys around arrow cluster
-YAS has 0.75u spaces on bottom
I'm on the fence about both, so my choice would really come down to price.
We're shooting for $40 for the plate and $40 for the pcb. As for shipping costs, we'll be shipping from the US. I might be able to get the plate cost down to $30-35, but that's tentative.
Your call :D , I didn't even realize the YAS board existed until a week or two ago. Randomly people started comparing this board to the other one. If you want a classic style 60 go for the Banana, if the HHKB layout is something you like I would go for the YAS.
Post by: dyoungc on Wed, 22 February 2017, 22:03:06
So it looks like there's about $15 - $20 price difference.
I'll have to do some more research and thinking before I commit to one.
Post by: Giorgio on Thu, 23 February 2017, 04:48:48
Post by: Daphen on Thu, 23 February 2017, 08:34:59
Looking for an HHKB with split space. :)
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 23 February 2017, 10:50:54
Would a blocked layout be possible?
Looking for an HHKB with split space. :)
Our pcb support multiple hhkb style layouts. As for the plate you would have to get one custom cut if you want the blocked look. Lasergist offers some competitive prices, you can get a stainless steel plate cut for around $60.
Post by: ChitownM2 on Thu, 23 February 2017, 17:47:46
The main benefit I see here is that it doesn't have the 0.75u spaces on the bottom row which means I wouldn't need a low profile case.
Any ideas on how far out this GB is from launching? I think that will play a role in whether I get 2 yas boards or one of each...
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 23 February 2017, 17:50:30
Just found this IC & like others are currently looking at the yas GB.
The main benefit I see here is that it doesn't have the 0.75u spaces on the bottom row which means I wouldn't need a low profile case.
Any ideas on how far out this GB is from launching? I think that will play a role in whether I get 2 yas boards or one of each...
Still a while away, evan is in the process of moving so not much work has been done on the pcb. For the gb launch I'd like to shoot for early spring time, march-april.
Post by: ChitownM2 on Fri, 24 February 2017, 13:27:21
Just found this IC & like others are currently looking at the yas GB.
The main benefit I see here is that it doesn't have the 0.75u spaces on the bottom row which means I wouldn't need a low profile case.
Any ideas on how far out this GB is from launching? I think that will play a role in whether I get 2 yas boards or one of each...
Still a while away, evan is in the process of moving so not much work has been done on the pcb. For the gb launch I'd like to shoot for early spring time, march-april.
That's not too far away compared to most of the ICs on here. :)
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 24 February 2017, 14:24:44
Just found this IC & like others are currently looking at the yas GB.
The main benefit I see here is that it doesn't have the 0.75u spaces on the bottom row which means I wouldn't need a low profile case.
Any ideas on how far out this GB is from launching? I think that will play a role in whether I get 2 yas boards or one of each...
Still a while away, evan is in the process of moving so not much work has been done on the pcb. For the gb launch I'd like to shoot for early spring time, march-april.
That's not too far away compared to most of the ICs on here. :)
This is probably my end game PCB
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 24 February 2017, 16:24:29
Just found this IC & like others are currently looking at the yas GB.
The main benefit I see here is that it doesn't have the 0.75u spaces on the bottom row which means I wouldn't need a low profile case.
Any ideas on how far out this GB is from launching? I think that will play a role in whether I get 2 yas boards or one of each...
Still a while away, evan is in the process of moving so not much work has been done on the pcb. For the gb launch I'd like to shoot for early spring time, march-april.
That's not too far away compared to most of the ICs on here. :)
This is probably my end game PCB
Means a lot :)
Post by: 112227 on Sun, 26 February 2017, 04:37:54
That 5 x 1u on the right side of the space bar is ideal for me.
I'll be keeping an eye out in case the other layout ends up not working out for me...
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 26 February 2017, 10:56:43
I wish I would have seen this prior to jumping on the YAS62 GB.
That 5 x 1u on the right side of the space bar is ideal for me.
I'll be keeping an eye out in case the other layout ends up not working out for me...
We won't be dropping the gb for a while, so you have time to save some money :D
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 26 February 2017, 14:04:44
(http://i.imgur.com/hQIKjg9.png)
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 26 February 2017, 14:27:14
Post by: entr0py33 on Tue, 28 February 2017, 16:31:15
Have you considered adding compatibility for a 1.75u Stepped caps lock style key next to the arrow key? It'd add some nice natural separation between the alphas and the arrow keys without leaving a hole in the board layout.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 28 February 2017, 20:40:38
Looks cool!
Have you considered adding compatibility for a 1.75u Stepped caps lock style key next to the arrow key? It'd add some nice natural separation between the alphas and the arrow keys without leaving a hole in the board layout.
That's an interesting idea, although if you buy a keycap set that has a stepped capslock included, it will probably have a 1.75u shift key included that could be used for that key. For this round our design is finalized, but I will definitely consider this for future rounds. Thanks for the suggestion :D
without leaving a hole in the board layout.
What do you mean by a hole?
Post by: Str1pez on Fri, 03 March 2017, 10:53:39
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 03 March 2017, 18:59:47
I'm so in on this. I got in on GMK Plum with the Planck/Ergo kit just for the stupid blank keys for space bars for this board lol.
Hehe I'm getting excited, my enjoy pbt caps came in that I will be using for the banana, can't wait. :D
Post by: Enoch on Sun, 05 March 2017, 16:41:55
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 07 March 2017, 01:06:59
Post by: Giorgio on Tue, 07 March 2017, 05:14:53
Been in contact with a laser cutting place for a week now, they got back to me with a great quote (potential price drop could be possible). Going to get a prototype made from them with a brushed finish. Can't wait! Hope everyone is having a great day.
Thank you! To make this gb run faster, would it be possible to invest some of the money saved, by hiring someone who can design the pcb in a shorter time?
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 07 March 2017, 12:06:43
Been in contact with a laser cutting place for a week now, they got back to me with a great quote (potential price drop could be possible). Going to get a prototype made from them with a brushed finish. Can't wait! Hope everyone is having a great day.
Thank you! To make this gb run faster, would it be possible to invest some of the money saved, by hiring someone who can design the pcb in a shorter time?
This project wouldn't be possible without evan, he is currently busy with personal things. Sadly the project was started at an unfortunate time, but don't worry we will hit the gb stage soon. He is working on the pcb design as we speak.
TLDR: No.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 08 March 2017, 19:56:41
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 09 March 2017, 00:47:20
Edit: Sample for the plate only.
Post by: ChitownM2 on Thu, 09 March 2017, 22:44:59
Should be getting my sample by the end of this week :D So excited it's finally happening, can't wait to share it with all of you.
Edit: Sample for the plate only.
sweet
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 11 March 2017, 16:22:42
Post by: dr-slump on Sun, 12 March 2017, 13:23:51
Would there be interest in a genuine cherry pcb stabilizer pack. It would include six 2u, and one 6.25u; which should be everything needed to cover all the supported layouts. The price would be $10.
Yeah. I'm definitely interested in getting everything in one order ! :thumb:
Post by: FailiX on Mon, 13 March 2017, 03:41:17
I am really thinking about getting this to replace my NerD60.
I have only one question:
Will the PCB support the Holtites to hot-swap switches?
Here is a link to the Holtites in case you don't know them already http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/8134-HC-8P3/A114359-ND/1151726 (http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/8134-HC-8P3/A114359-ND/1151726)
I hope this question has not been answered here already.
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 13 March 2017, 11:32:55
Hi,
I am really thinking about getting this to replace my NerD60.
I have only one question:
Will the PCB support the Holtites to hot-swap switches?
Here is a link to the Holtites in case you don't know them already http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/8134-HC-8P3/A114359-ND/1151726 (http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/8134-HC-8P3/A114359-ND/1151726)
I hope this question has not been answered here already.
I believe we are not going to have support for Holtites, I can double check with evan.
Post by: FactoryDefaults on Wed, 15 March 2017, 07:59:18
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 15 March 2017, 11:14:03
Looks great! I'm in for the PCB and plate. Do you know what the color of the PCB will be?
I want a cream/yellow to go with the whole banana theme. :D But we could always fall back on white.
Post by: Giorgio on Wed, 15 March 2017, 12:08:50
Looks great! I'm in for the PCB and plate. Do you know what the color of the PCB will be?
I want a cream/yellow to go with the whole banana theme. :D But we could always fall back on white.
poll?
Post by: FactoryDefaults on Wed, 15 March 2017, 12:35:56
Looks great! I'm in for the PCB and plate. Do you know what the color of the PCB will be?
I want a cream/yellow to go with the whole banana theme. :D But we could always fall back on white.
poll?
As much as I would respect going all out with the whole banana theme, I'd rather want to see either a black or white PCB for aesthethic reasons, hehe. Poll sounds good to me too!
Post by: Giorgio on Wed, 15 March 2017, 14:44:01
Looks great! I'm in for the PCB and plate. Do you know what the color of the PCB will be?
I want a cream/yellow to go with the whole banana theme. :D But we could always fall back on white.
poll?
As much as I would respect going all out with the whole banana theme, I'd rather want to see either a black or white PCB for aesthethic reasons, hehe. Poll sounds good to me too!
Thanks for being diplomatic
Post by: FactoryDefaults on Wed, 15 March 2017, 15:24:00
Hehe got to respect the creators choices!Looks great! I'm in for the PCB and plate. Do you know what the color of the PCB will be?
I want a cream/yellow to go with the whole banana theme. :D But we could always fall back on white.
poll?
As much as I would respect going all out with the whole banana theme, I'd rather want to see either a black or white PCB for aesthethic reasons, hehe. Poll sounds good to me too!
Thanks for being diplomatic
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 15 March 2017, 15:47:10
Looks great! I'm in for the PCB and plate. Do you know what the color of the PCB will be?
I want a cream/yellow to go with the whole banana theme. :D But we could always fall back on white.
poll?
As much as I would respect going all out with the whole banana theme, I'd rather want to see either a black or white PCB for aesthethic reasons, hehe. Poll sounds good to me too!
Maybe I don't see the pcb aesthetic as really being a concern (you barely see the pcb if at all). A yellow pcb for this board was something I envisioned from the start. Here would be an example of how the yellow pcb would look.
(https://d3s5r33r268y59.cloudfront.net/1334/products/thumbs/collection.jpg.2560x2560_q85.jpg)
Post by: megaforce on Wed, 15 March 2017, 15:47:59
Post by: FactoryDefaults on Wed, 15 March 2017, 16:07:19
Idk man, the yellow is kind of a dealbreaker to me. But the choice remains yours and would understand if you went for that.Looks great! I'm in for the PCB and plate. Do you know what the color of the PCB will be?
I want a cream/yellow to go with the whole banana theme. :D But we could always fall back on white.
poll?
As much as I would respect going all out with the whole banana theme, I'd rather want to see either a black or white PCB for aesthethic reasons, hehe. Poll sounds good to me too!
Maybe I don't see the pcb aesthetic as really being a concern (you barely see the pcb if at all). A yellow pcb for this board was something I envisioned from the start. Here would be an example of how the yellow pcb would look.Show Image(https://d3s5r33r268y59.cloudfront.net/1334/products/thumbs/collection.jpg.2560x2560_q85.jpg)
Post by: afrokobe on Wed, 15 March 2017, 16:18:36
Post by: kmba on Wed, 15 March 2017, 16:26:33
Post by: ChitownM2 on Wed, 15 March 2017, 17:30:56
I'm not sure exactly what case I plan to use so I'd prefer to stick with something more standard.
Post by: thad on Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:19:20
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:20:48
Jk, I understand the concerns but I would personally love a yellow pcb to go with the theme
Post by: megaforce on Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:29:15
Post by: Parva Ovis on Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:32:56
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 15 March 2017, 20:05:45
Post by: thad on Thu, 16 March 2017, 08:43:45
Post by: megaforce on Thu, 16 March 2017, 10:35:07
Thanks for the support guys, didn't expect a pcb color to be so controversial. I'm sticking with yellow, fits the theme and it's unique. It'll stand out with all the white pcb's currently out.
yeah but sonic vouchers.
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 16 March 2017, 10:43:32
Thanks for the support guys, didn't expect a pcb color to be so controversial. I'm sticking with yellow, fits the theme and it's unique. It'll stand out with all the white pcb's currently out.
yeah but sonic vouchers.
I'll try and strike up a deal with them, free banana splits for everyone who purchases a board. xD
Post by: megaforce on Thu, 16 March 2017, 10:43:53
Papa blessThanks for the support guys, didn't expect a pcb color to be so controversial. I'm sticking with yellow, fits the theme and it's unique. It'll stand out with all the white pcb's currently out.
yeah but sonic vouchers.
I'll try and strike up a deal with them, free banana splits for everyone who purchases a board. xD
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Post by: Vadurr on Thu, 16 March 2017, 14:07:58
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 16 March 2017, 14:24:44
Will the PCB be pre-programmed to having a single tap on the right "shift" to act as "?" for us?Yup :) and it will use evan's keyboard configurator so if you want to remap it you wont have to dabble with code.
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Post by: Giorgio on Thu, 16 March 2017, 15:42:07
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 16 March 2017, 18:09:27
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 16 March 2017, 18:10:20
Will the pcb be black with yellow traces or the other way around?
Not sure yet on the traces, but the soldermask will be yellow.
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 17 March 2017, 05:09:36
Will the pcb be black with yellow traces or the other way around?
Not sure yet on the traces, but the soldermask will be yellow.
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Post by: kmba on Fri, 17 March 2017, 11:18:03
Post by: ehmlis on Fri, 17 March 2017, 11:50:42
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 17 March 2017, 15:42:38
(http://i.imgur.com/dooIVAo.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/0UPJ4N7.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/vxr2AXt.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/VZBs0XE.png)
Post by: ChitownM2 on Fri, 17 March 2017, 16:51:20
Any estimates on how long to finish the pcb and get this GB rolling?
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 17 March 2017, 17:42:49
Looks good!
Any estimates on how long to finish the pcb and get this GB rolling?
Not yet, but soon my friend.
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Fri, 17 March 2017, 18:49:44
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 17 March 2017, 19:38:34
Is it a problem that the mounting holes cause separations in the left and right side? I just noticed the original design calls for there to be super thin material around those screw holes.
Not at all, the separation was intentionally done to make the laser cut route easier and because it was too thin in those areas. I actually forgot to post the updated file but I took that into account and fixed those holes. There is 0 flex in the plate and it is really sturdy. If you look at other 60 plates they do the same thing :).
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Sat, 18 March 2017, 08:12:33
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 18 March 2017, 12:10:08
Thanks, pardon the boob question. This is going to be my first build in all likelihood.
No worries glad you asked, I'm someone else had a similar concern :).
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 18 March 2017, 14:16:25
All the mounting holes line up for poker style cases.
(http://i.imgur.com/AwCWqpR.png)
Top view.
(http://i.imgur.com/2z241N4g.png)
Artsy angled view.
(http://i.imgur.com/EsVLh2C.png)
As a closing remark the plate feels phenomenal to type on, can't wait to hear what you guys think of it :D.
Post by: ChitownM2 on Sat, 18 March 2017, 14:43:10
Post by: KINGPIN on Sat, 18 March 2017, 18:23:09
Post by: Vadurr on Sat, 18 March 2017, 19:09:26
Will the PCB be pre-programmed to having a single tap on the right "shift" to act as "?" for us?Yup :) and it will use evan's keyboard configurator so if you want to remap it you wont have to dabble with code.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/walkingdead/images/3/3f/Shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/2000?cb=20140829235648)
Post by: Krakob on Sat, 18 March 2017, 19:33:12
Personally want Zeal stabs, a custom brass plate and a Goose case, so I would only be in for the PCB itself, but you have my full support there :)
Post by: Ghen90 on Sat, 18 March 2017, 19:40:27
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 18 March 2017, 20:37:31
I am completely behind this. I made an account just to tell you that I thank you for working on this. Cannot wait to see the end result. I am ready to buy it day one. Keep up the great work.
Awesome, thank you for the support. I'm glad everyone is enjoying the mockup, can't wait to get a functioning prototype made.
Post by: Krakob on Sun, 19 March 2017, 04:43:03
Another thing I was wondering about is whether you'll make it open source or not.
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 19 March 2017, 12:14:56
Something that confuses me a bit: you claim that you won't have holtite support, no alps support, yet you're using hybrid holes which support alps. What's the thought process here? If you're just rolling MX the MX holes should be better, and holtite support is easy since you just need single pin holes for the MX switches.
Another thing I was wondering about is whether you'll make it open source or not.
Mx/alps holes vs regular cherry holes are better because they offer the same functionality but are cheaper to cut. The name doesn't make too much sense because once you make a plate universal you lose the alps functionality. Holtite support is something we just didn't consider and we will hold off on that for this gb. I have no problem making the plate open source, as for the pcb that's evan's decision.
Post by: Krakob on Sun, 19 March 2017, 12:18:41
Ah, that is sensible enough. There are a few threads about holtites here and on Reddit. Just need the right diameter, which I think is worth pursuing as it's a small change for a big benefit.Something that confuses me a bit: you claim that you won't have holtite support, no alps support, yet you're using hybrid holes which support alps. What's the thought process here? If you're just rolling MX the MX holes should be better, and holtite support is easy since you just need single pin holes for the MX switches.
Another thing I was wondering about is whether you'll make it open source or not.
Mx/alps holes vs regular cherry holes are better because they offer the same functionality but are cheaper to cut. The name doesn't make too much sense because once you make a plate universal you lose the alps functionality. Holtite support is something we just didn't consider and we will hold off on that for this gb. I have no problem making the plate open source, as for the pcb that's evan's decision.
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 19 March 2017, 12:20:04
Ah, that is sensible enough. There are a few threads about holtites here and on Reddit. Just need the right diameter, which I think is worth pursuing as it's a small change for a big benefit.Something that confuses me a bit: you claim that you won't have holtite support, no alps support, yet you're using hybrid holes which support alps. What's the thought process here? If you're just rolling MX the MX holes should be better, and holtite support is easy since you just need single pin holes for the MX switches.
Another thing I was wondering about is whether you'll make it open source or not.
Mx/alps holes vs regular cherry holes are better because they offer the same functionality but are cheaper to cut. The name doesn't make too much sense because once you make a plate universal you lose the alps functionality. Holtite support is something we just didn't consider and we will hold off on that for this gb. I have no problem making the plate open source, as for the pcb that's evan's decision.
If I'm not mistake, I'm pretty sure you don't need a special hole diameter for them. They should work with any pcb? I know you can put them on the planck but the planck doessn't have direct support.
Post by: ChitownM2 on Sun, 19 March 2017, 12:42:09
If I'm not mistake, I'm pretty sure you don't need a special hole diameter for them. They should work with any pcb? I know you can put them on the planck but the planck doessn't have direct support.
I'm not exactly certain why, but they don't work on every pcb. Sometimes the holes are too big to hold the holtite in place or it could be too small and you can't get it to seat. Other times certain keys on universal layout pcb the switch holes overlap slightly or are oddly shaped and that makes them not fit.
As far as hole diameter, I believe that is what he is referring to being able to change easily to make the pcb compatible. I would agree that it is worth contacting someone like olkb who has a pcb that is confirmed to work and verify what hole diameter is ideal.
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 19 March 2017, 13:24:11
If I'm not mistake, I'm pretty sure you don't need a special hole diameter for them. They should work with any pcb? I know you can put them on the planck but the planck doessn't have direct support.
I'm not exactly certain why, but they don't work on every pcb. Sometimes the holes are too big to hold the holtite in place or it could be too small and you can't get it to seat. Other times certain keys on universal layout pcb the switch holes overlap slightly or are oddly shaped and that makes them not fit.
As far as hole diameter, I believe that is what he is referring to being able to change easily to make the pcb compatible. I would agree that it is worth contacting someone like olkb who has a pcb that is confirmed to work and verify what hole diameter is ideal.
Ah that makes sense.
Post by: Krakob on Sun, 19 March 2017, 15:17:19
Nailed it! Holtites have been known to fall through some PCBs, I believe cheap Chinese ones in particular. Most Korean boards are made to hold the pins quite tight and have trouble fitting them, on the other hand.If I'm not mistake, I'm pretty sure you don't need a special hole diameter for them. They should work with any pcb? I know you can put them on the planck but the planck doessn't have direct support.
I'm not exactly certain why, but they don't work on every pcb. Sometimes the holes are too big to hold the holtite in place or it could be too small and you can't get it to seat. Other times certain keys on universal layout pcb the switch holes overlap slightly or are oddly shaped and that makes them not fit.
As far as hole diameter, I believe that is what he is referring to being able to change easily to make the pcb compatible. I would agree that it is worth contacting someone like olkb who has a pcb that is confirmed to work and verify what hole diameter is ideal.
Ah that makes sense.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 21 March 2017, 20:02:10
https://goo.gl/forms/FB0i4kv0nxmR8XSH3 (https://goo.gl/forms/FB0i4kv0nxmR8XSH3)
:thumb:
Post by: Str1pez on Wed, 22 March 2017, 13:37:25
Hoping to communicate with you guys through multiple forms of media. Someone messaged me asking if I could "ping" them when the gb launches. I thought it would be a great idea to create a newsletter. I'll use to communicate when the group buy launches, and future updates for the group buy.
https://goo.gl/forms/FB0i4kv0nxmR8XSH3 (https://goo.gl/forms/FB0i4kv0nxmR8XSH3)
:thumb:
Good ass call. Signed my ass up! All I need is a case for this now. Debating wood or an aluminum Tex case.... Just gotta figure out what I think will look best with GMK Plum.
Post by: kmba on Wed, 22 March 2017, 14:02:38
Post by: Nuum on Wed, 22 March 2017, 17:18:54
Decided to put together a mockup. Put in a variety of random switches I had, which all clicked into the plate perfectly, and put on the caps I was going to use for my board. Hope you guys enjoy.
All the mounting holes line up for poker style cases.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AwCWqpR.png)
Top view.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2z241N4g.png)
Artsy angled view.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EsVLh2C.png)
As a closing remark the plate feels phenomenal to type on, can't wait to hear what you guys think of it :D.
Hmm the left spacebar and the middle Alt key seem to be a little bit off. The gap between left Space and left Alt seems to be too big. Also the right side of the middle Alt should line up with the right side of the B key, right? Or is it just not seated correctly?
As for PCB colour: I'm really glad that you are willing to go with yellow, it will definitely be unique!
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 22 March 2017, 17:25:36
Decided to put together a mockup. Put in a variety of random switches I had, which all clicked into the plate perfectly, and put on the caps I was going to use for my board. Hope you guys enjoy.
All the mounting holes line up for poker style cases.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AwCWqpR.png)
Top view.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2z241N4g.png)
Artsy angled view.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EsVLh2C.png)
As a closing remark the plate feels phenomenal to type on, can't wait to hear what you guys think of it :D.
Hmm the left spacebar and the middle Alt key seem to be a little bit off. The gap between left Space and left Alt seems to be too big. Also the right side of the middle Alt should line up with the right side of the B key, right? Or is it just not seated correctly?
As for PCB colour: I'm really glad that you are willing to go with yellow, it will definitely be unique!
It's just not lined up properly, hard to line everything up without a pcb.
Edit: The alt key is r1 instead of r2, also why it might not look properly seated.
Post by: kmba on Wed, 22 March 2017, 20:08:49
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 22 March 2017, 21:54:47
It's because every switch from the left space all the way to the right of the plate can just slip and slide around without a PCB.
Exactly, but with pcb it'll be secure. Thanks for clarifying.
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 23 March 2017, 22:05:35
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 24 March 2017, 16:24:37
Post by: kmba on Fri, 24 March 2017, 22:33:35
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 25 March 2017, 00:05:35
Happy with the plate and PCB? So we're getting close? ;D any rough estimate when the GB action for us plebeians might begin?
Evan has the design mostly finished up, he's just checking his work. He'll work on getting a prototype in the coming weeks. As for the group buy, patience :). We'll get there soon.
Post by: kmba on Sat, 25 March 2017, 00:19:39
Happy with the plate and PCB? So we're getting close? ;D any rough estimate when the GB action for us plebeians might begin?
Evan has the design mostly finished up, he's just checking his work. He'll work on getting a prototype in the coming weeks. As for the group buy, patience :). We'll get there soon.
oh right.. brain fart. forgot the mock up was plate only.
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 25 March 2017, 04:31:12
Post by: ChitownM2 on Sat, 25 March 2017, 21:06:49
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 25 March 2017, 22:57:43
Sounds like good news to me. Although it's looking like this GB might hit at the same time as a bunch of other keycaps I'm looking at. I could have to cut back on food to pay for all of this good stuff.
Yeah I get that, if the groupbuy doesn't line up well with other gb's we can always extend the time.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 25 March 2017, 23:01:33
Please make the PCB sturdy and thick: I'll use it without a plate.
+1.
Has the PCB's price been set, yet?
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 25 March 2017, 23:31:22
Please make the PCB sturdy and thick: I'll use it without a plate.
+1.
Has the PCB's price been set, yet?
Not yet, I'll let you know as soon as I know.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 26 March 2017, 19:56:41
(http://i.imgur.com/oTgbecv.png)
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 26 March 2017, 23:29:21
I would like to make something like this. I should build my own case to close those gaps at the bottom corners.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oTgbecv.png)
Looks sweet, can't wait to see a pic of it once it's made :D.
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Mon, 27 March 2017, 14:50:45
I would like to make something like this. I should build my own case to close those gaps at the bottom corners.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oTgbecv.png)
No ctrl?!
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 27 March 2017, 16:06:26
I would like to make something like this. I should build my own case to close those gaps at the bottom corners.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oTgbecv.png)
No ctrl?!
Don't pull an imgur on me, just because it isn't stated I think they are using capslock for control.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 27 March 2017, 16:08:33
I would like to make something like this. I should build my own case to close those gaps at the bottom corners.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oTgbecv.png)
No ctrl?!
Don't pull an imgur on me, just because it isn't stated I think they are using capslock for control.
Right. But the set I would use does not carry a key with Control legend for the caps lock.
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Mon, 27 March 2017, 17:23:51
Post by: ideus on Mon, 27 March 2017, 18:17:58
So you'd use a stepped caps lock instead? OK.
Right.
I am using this right now.
(http://i.imgur.com/PTYE2xM.jpg)
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Tue, 28 March 2017, 09:01:59
In all seriousness, I think the stepped caps lock is designed that way to make it less touch-type friendly (to prevent accidental activation). That's not all bad for having a modifier in the same spot (like control).
Post by: SNReloaded on Tue, 28 March 2017, 09:11:36
This is what ISO does to people :)I don't personally use ISO, but instead ANSI, and I prefer the stepped caps lock myself.
In all seriousness, I think the stepped caps lock is designed that way to make it less touch-type friendly (to prevent accidental activation). That's not all bad for having a modifier in the same spot (like control).
Post by: SNReloaded on Tue, 28 March 2017, 19:06:57
As long as the split looks like this I will get behind it.I touch type, but for me it looks like
...5\6...
...T\Y...
...G\H...
...B\N...
All hail touch typing.
...5\6...
...Y\F...
...I\D...
...X\B...
Since I use Dvorak.
Post by: SNReloaded on Tue, 28 March 2017, 19:32:55
Cheers on this keyboard, and love the name "Banana Split". I will be purchasing on Day 1 of the GB.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 28 March 2017, 19:36:40
I am loving this keyboard as I have stated over on /r/mechanicalkeyboards. I am planning to do this as my first DIY keyboard with a custom 60% hardwood case. I have a keycap set from massdrop that I BELIEVE will work for this build as well, with a nice light grey and dark grey color scheme.
Cheers on this keyboard, and love the name "Banana Split". I will be purchasing on Day 1 of the GB.
:thumb:
Post by: Haroxicos on Wed, 29 March 2017, 05:15:11
(http://i.imgur.com/oX7Qhy5.png)
Post by: dstofu on Wed, 29 March 2017, 16:10:18
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Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 29 March 2017, 16:17:19
Another one here who just signed up to comment on this. Looks really good! Slightly hesitant with the lack of right shift/question mark, but will more than likely hop on the GB :DWith the configuration tool, you could set right shift to /? if you don't use right shift (which is exactly what I plan to do)
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Post by: kmba on Wed, 29 March 2017, 16:29:50
Another one here who just signed up to comment on this. Looks really good! Slightly hesitant with the lack of right shift/question mark, but will more than likely hop on the GB :DWith the configuration tool, you could set right shift to /? if you don't use right shift (which is exactly what I plan to do)
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If you don't use right shift you can set it to question mark. If you do use right shift, you can set it to quick press=question mark, press hold=shift.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 29 March 2017, 17:20:46
Another one here who just signed up to comment on this. Looks really good! Slightly hesitant with the lack of right shift/question mark, but will more than likely hop on the GB :DWith the configuration tool, you could set right shift to /? if you don't use right shift (which is exactly what I plan to do)
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If you don't use right shift you can set it to question mark. If you do use right shift, you can set it to quick press=question mark, press hold=shift.
Exactly and that will be in the default layout, flashed on the pcb's.
Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 29 March 2017, 17:54:02
And correct me if I am wrong, is / under the function layer for \|, or how do you access that?Another one here who just signed up to comment on this. Looks really good! Slightly hesitant with the lack of right shift/question mark, but will more than likely hop on the GB :DWith the configuration tool, you could set right shift to /? if you don't use right shift (which is exactly what I plan to do)
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If you don't use right shift you can set it to question mark. If you do use right shift, you can set it to quick press=question mark, press hold=shift.
Exactly and that will be in the default layout, flashed on the pcb's.
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Post by: ideus on Wed, 29 March 2017, 18:10:28
This is what ISO does to people :)I don't personally use ISO, but instead ANSI, and I prefer the stepped caps lock myself.
In all seriousness, I think the stepped caps lock is designed that way to make it less touch-type friendly (to prevent accidental activation). That's not all bad for having a modifier in the same spot (like control).
I have Control keys with centered stem to replace the Caps Lock key; but, I prefer the stepped one for my layout that features the 1.25 shift. It appears to me that they match better. You know, pure keyboard aficionado's crap.
Post by: NyxNyxNyx on Wed, 29 March 2017, 18:23:54
Anyways, I hope this enters groupbuy phase soon, and I'll definitely take part in it :thumb:
Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 29 March 2017, 18:26:08
I'm very interested in this groupbuy. I always wanted a split spacebar just so I can hit enter with my left thumb. I don't really see the use for the Alt key between though?I have a *slightly* different plan, since all keys are reprogrammable, left space is going to be backspace, and center key is going to be the delete key.
Anyways, I hope this enters groupbuy phase soon, and I'll definitely take part in it :thumb:
Just personally what I will be doing, but enjoy whatever layout you choose!
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 29 March 2017, 19:08:12
And correct me if I am wrong, is / under the function layer for \|, or how do you access that?Another one here who just signed up to comment on this. Looks really good! Slightly hesitant with the lack of right shift/question mark, but will more than likely hop on the GB :DWith the configuration tool, you could set right shift to /? if you don't use right shift (which is exactly what I plan to do)
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If you don't use right shift you can set it to question mark. If you do use right shift, you can set it to quick press=question mark, press hold=shift.
Exactly and that will be in the default layout, flashed on the pcb's.
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Oh I never thought about that, I personally use my left shift to get "?". Tapping it will yield "?" tapping with shift will get you "/" and holding it will result in a "shift".
Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 29 March 2017, 20:36:19
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 29 March 2017, 22:42:22
I know that there are no more changes being made for this version, but when toying around with the layout of the keyboard I set up this layout included. It makes a little more sense based on finger strength (pointer is stronger than ring finger). It might be that I just need to get used to the standard L layout, and I know that EVERY configuration can't be included on a single pcb, but I thought it was an interesting idea in the very least.
I already got suggestions for a split right shift, totally going to add it for future revisions :D.
Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 29 March 2017, 22:46:55
Oh that would be AWESOME!I know that there are no more changes being made for this version, but when toying around with the layout of the keyboard I set up this layout included. It makes a little more sense based on finger strength (pointer is stronger than ring finger). It might be that I just need to get used to the standard L layout, and I know that EVERY configuration can't be included on a single pcb, but I thought it was an interesting idea in the very least.
I already got suggestions for a split right shift, totally going to add it for future revisions :D.
However, I was having a hard time figuring out what to do with all of these free key spaces available to me.
How exactly with the space available would the split right shift work?
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Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 29 March 2017, 23:04:06
Oh that would be AWESOME!I know that there are no more changes being made for this version, but when toying around with the layout of the keyboard I set up this layout included. It makes a little more sense based on finger strength (pointer is stronger than ring finger). It might be that I just need to get used to the standard L layout, and I know that EVERY configuration can't be included on a single pcb, but I thought it was an interesting idea in the very least.
I already got suggestions for a split right shift, totally going to add it for future revisions :D.
However, I was having a hard time figuring out what to do with all of these free key spaces available to me.
How exactly with the space available would the split right shift work?
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Not sure, just more added keys for people to program with :). I'll think of something for a base layer.
Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 29 March 2017, 23:07:16
Okay cool. Personally what I suggested would work fine with me, and it still uses standard keycaps, so that is a plusOh that would be AWESOME!I know that there are no more changes being made for this version, but when toying around with the layout of the keyboard I set up this layout included. It makes a little more sense based on finger strength (pointer is stronger than ring finger). It might be that I just need to get used to the standard L layout, and I know that EVERY configuration can't be included on a single pcb, but I thought it was an interesting idea in the very least.
I already got suggestions for a split right shift, totally going to add it for future revisions :D.
However, I was having a hard time figuring out what to do with all of these free key spaces available to me.
How exactly with the space available would the split right shift work?
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Not sure, just more added keys for people to program with :). I'll think of something for a base layer.
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Post by: Krakob on Thu, 30 March 2017, 15:34:35
Isn't split right shift already supported? That's 1.75u shift + 1u Fn or in this case, arrow up.Oh that would be AWESOME!I know that there are no more changes being made for this version, but when toying around with the layout of the keyboard I set up this layout included. It makes a little more sense based on finger strength (pointer is stronger than ring finger). It might be that I just need to get used to the standard L layout, and I know that EVERY configuration can't be included on a single pcb, but I thought it was an interesting idea in the very least.
I already got suggestions for a split right shift, totally going to add it for future revisions :D.
However, I was having a hard time figuring out what to do with all of these free key spaces available to me.
How exactly with the space available would the split right shift work?
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Not sure, just more added keys for people to program with :). I'll think of something for a base layer.
Post by: Krakob on Thu, 30 March 2017, 15:37:00
Woops, didn't check the image properly. Also don't know how to edit or delete on Tapatalk. Sorry!Isn't split right shift already supported? That's 1.75u shift + 1u Fn or in this case, arrow up.Oh that would be AWESOME!I know that there are no more changes being made for this version, but when toying around with the layout of the keyboard I set up this layout included. It makes a little more sense based on finger strength (pointer is stronger than ring finger). It might be that I just need to get used to the standard L layout, and I know that EVERY configuration can't be included on a single pcb, but I thought it was an interesting idea in the very least.
I already got suggestions for a split right shift, totally going to add it for future revisions :D.
However, I was having a hard time figuring out what to do with all of these free key spaces available to me.
How exactly with the space available would the split right shift work?
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Not sure, just more added keys for people to program with :). I'll think of something for a base layer.
Post by: Krakob on Mon, 03 April 2017, 09:30:16
Post by: atomicus on Mon, 03 April 2017, 09:44:42
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 03 April 2017, 11:36:34
Any status update? :)
Not yet, I'll touchbase with evan this week to see where we are.
Post by: atomicus on Mon, 03 April 2017, 12:45:59
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 03 April 2017, 13:00:37
I wasn't entirely clear, are keycaps going to be available as part of the GB? Are there any pics of the PCB yet or is that yet to be revealed? Loving the yellow idea, that should really make this a distinctive board, immediately recognisable which is great. :)
No keycaps for this gb, just the plate and pcb. No pictures of the pcb yet, evan is still working on that :). I think he has the design fleshed out and he is currently working on getting a physical prototype.
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Mon, 03 April 2017, 14:48:59
I actually think Vortex makes the best looking one around - it just happens to come with a keyboard already in it.
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 03 April 2017, 15:47:33
I'm still stuck on cases. I'm not especially impressed with he standard aluminum low-profile 60% cases, and most of the group-buy cases look like spaceships or modern putters.
I actually think Vortex makes the best looking one around - it just happens to come with a keyboard already in it.
Mechmarket would be your best bet to find a vortex case. :thumb:
Post by: atomicus on Mon, 03 April 2017, 15:53:21
https://www.jellykey.com/artisan-keyboard-showroom
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 03 April 2017, 16:16:47
I came across Jelly Key cases... would these work? Not sure when these will be available or price however, no info on their site.
https://www.jellykey.com/artisan-keyboard-showroom
Any standard 60% case should work.
Post by: atomicus on Mon, 03 April 2017, 21:51:41
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 03 April 2017, 21:54:06
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Tue, 04 April 2017, 12:24:36
I've actually got a Pok3r on the way, and I think it'll find a new home in that jellykey case coming out, which will vacate the Pok3r case to be re-painted or otherwise refinished. I have some ideas.
I'm just shocked that more reserved 60% case options don't exist. Seems like the standard flat Tex or something that looks like a holster for the XP20SS.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 04 April 2017, 12:50:54
Is there no DEL key? I guess there typically isn't on a 60% though.
Del key is not part of a sixty layout. It comes in the nine block in a TKL or larger keyboard. I use a spot under the Enter key to the right of the right shift in my sixty layouts.
Post by: Str1pez on Tue, 04 April 2017, 14:08:16
This is the layout I'm gonna run on it. Does everything check out? I think it will work now based off finally getting into QMK and programming my Clueboard. Excuse my poor color matching for GMK Plum as well. Didn't know the color codes and didn't want to look it up lol.
(https://i.gyazo.com/410be57f0512eb7d518bf9c7fc0986ff.png)
Post by: atomicus on Wed, 05 April 2017, 06:09:45
Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 05 April 2017, 06:14:03
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Post by: atomicus on Wed, 05 April 2017, 07:00:32
The keycap set for the first group buy was cancelled, but I believe any 117 keycap set should be able to have the proper keys.
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It was just the double space bar I was more curious about. I'm no keyboard expert by any means, but I don't recall seeing many kits with caps that size.
Post by: atomicus on Wed, 05 April 2017, 07:01:26
(http://i.imgur.com/zxCNWjr.jpg)
Post by: Parva Ovis on Wed, 05 April 2017, 09:59:46
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 05 April 2017, 11:09:38
You need either 2.25u/1.25u/2.75u, so that would be missing a 1.25 key. As long as the keycap kit you purchase has a spare 1.25u key, though, you'll be fine.
And chances are if you use the arrow layout you get 4 1.25s at your disposal.
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Wed, 05 April 2017, 13:27:53
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 05 April 2017, 14:20:25
5 1U's right of the spacebar ;D
I meant like extra 1.25u's you would have by using the 1u's for the bottom row.
Edit: As in physical keycaps from most standard keycap sets.
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Wed, 05 April 2017, 17:58:56
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 05 April 2017, 19:48:28
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Thu, 06 April 2017, 08:01:39
I got my 78g Zealios for this build in. Hurry upppppppppppp haha. It's all good though, caps won't be in for a while.
This is the layout I'm gonna run on it. Does everything check out? I think it will work now based off finally getting into QMK and programming my Clueboard. Excuse my poor color matching for GMK Plum as well. Didn't know the color codes and didn't want to look it up lol.Show Image(https://i.gyazo.com/410be57f0512eb7d518bf9c7fc0986ff.png)
Looks like a great layout :thumb:
Post by: Krakob on Thu, 06 April 2017, 15:14:45
Evan placed in the order for PCB prototypes I'll have some screenshots up of the pcb renders sometime this week :D. Thanks for being so patient, it's been a long road and I'm excited to kick things off soon.Woowoowoo! Think there'll be any further revisions? Any ETA for the GB if the prototype is entirely correct?
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 06 April 2017, 18:22:30
Evan placed in the order for PCB prototypes I'll have some screenshots up of the pcb renders sometime this week :D. Thanks for being so patient, it's been a long road and I'm excited to kick things off soon.Woowoowoo! Think there'll be any further revisions? Any ETA for the GB if the prototype is entirely correct?
If the prototype is correct we will probably start gb shortly afterwards :D In the meantime we are working on the product page :)
Post by: ChitownM2 on Thu, 06 April 2017, 20:57:43
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 08 April 2017, 14:03:03
(http://i.imgur.com/bFkrTaW.png)
Post by: SNReloaded on Sat, 08 April 2017, 14:05:33
Small update decided to add rounded edges to the plate. This will be how the final plate looks like.I like this new round plate, it looks cleaner.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bFkrTaW.png)
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Post by: ChitownM2 on Sat, 08 April 2017, 14:51:37
Post by: Vadurr on Sun, 09 April 2017, 05:01:00
Post by: iFreilicht on Wed, 12 April 2017, 08:02:14
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 12 April 2017, 11:22:57
Just checking in to say that I'm very interested in the PCB and plate to upgrade my current 60%. Added my vote to the poll as well.
Thank you :)
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 12 April 2017, 11:36:54
Thanks for the continued support. :thumb:
Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 12 April 2017, 11:39:47
Small update, me and evan are getting a lot of work done on the project. We decided to not support rgb underglow for this round, the reason being is that we don't want to extend the project any longer. We want the board to support evan's configurator which at the moment does not support qmk only tmk. Hopefully you guys understand.I'm a little saddened by this, but this let's me look forward to version 2
Thanks for the continued support. :thumb:
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Post by: daviddoctorrose on Wed, 12 April 2017, 12:19:40
Post by: iFreilicht on Thu, 13 April 2017, 12:39:28
Small update, me and evan are getting a lot of work done on the project. We decided to not support rgb underglow for this round, the reason being is that we don't want to extend the project any longer. We want the board to support evan's configurator which at the moment does not support qmk only tmk. Hopefully you guys understand.
Thanks for the continued support. :thumb:
Will you still make a keymap for QMK available or do we have to port it ourselves?
Post by: evangs on Thu, 13 April 2017, 12:43:21
Small update, me and evan are getting a lot of work done on the project. We decided to not support rgb underglow for this round, the reason being is that we don't want to extend the project any longer. We want the board to support evan's configurator which at the moment does not support qmk only tmk. Hopefully you guys understand.
Thanks for the continued support. :thumb:
Will you still make a keymap for QMK available or do we have to port it ourselves?
We will add a qmk config on github
Post by: ChitownM2 on Thu, 13 April 2017, 13:10:53
We will add a qmk config on github
Excellent. Can't wait for this GB to happen.
Post by: evangs on Thu, 13 April 2017, 14:25:58
We will add a qmk config on github
Excellent. Can't wait for this GB to happen.
Shouldn't be too far off. Prototype PCBs should be here towards end of month and if everything is good on those gen we will be launching shortly after
Post by: Str1pez on Fri, 14 April 2017, 13:49:48
I've never been so pumped to build a board.
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 14 April 2017, 23:05:56
SO. EXCITED.
I've never been so pumped to build a board.
Hehe, I can speak for the both of us. Me and Evan are hyped.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 18 April 2017, 23:12:45
(http://i.imgur.com/dLVcNdx.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/0vpBbmR.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/IdqmFv2.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/AdntTMjg.png)
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 19 April 2017, 23:19:51
(http://i.imgur.com/udOdWHD.png)
Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 19 April 2017, 23:30:19
Got some sticker samples :D, going to throw free ones in every order. :thumb:Ooooh that's very niceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/udOdWHD.png)
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Post by: rrrsss on Sun, 23 April 2017, 15:11:29
Post by: atsession on Sun, 23 April 2017, 18:30:54
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 23 April 2017, 18:38:43
Definitely looking good. Now if a high profile aluminum case gb can occur at the same time... 😃 :D
Evan's working on the retro 60, maybe it'll line up with the banana release.
Post by: atsession on Mon, 24 April 2017, 10:21:48
Definitely looking good. Now if a high profile aluminum case gb can occur at the same time... 😃 :D
Evan's working on the retro 60, maybe it'll line up with the banana release.
Nice, that'd be ideal.
Post by: evangs on Tue, 25 April 2017, 22:56:28
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Fri, 28 April 2017, 08:13:16
Evan's working on the retro 60, maybe it'll line up with the banana release.
Self-restraint has taken me out of the loop a bit... any details about this effort? I'm still looking for a case for my future split build, too.
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 28 April 2017, 20:52:17
Evan's working on the retro 60, maybe it'll line up with the banana release.
Self-restraint has taken me out of the loop a bit... any details about this effort? I'm still looking for a case for my future split build, too.
I'll get back to you on that one, evan is currently out of town :)
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 01 May 2017, 00:42:34
Post by: SNReloaded on Mon, 01 May 2017, 16:54:19
1) The aluminum plate cutouts don't look like they support the split spacebar. Do they still?
2) Are we able to do PCB mounted switches with this PCB?
Thanks!
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 01 May 2017, 17:26:54
2 things:
1) The aluminum plate cutouts don't look like they support the split spacebar. Do they still?
2) Are we able to do PCB mounted switches with this PCB?
Thanks!
1) What image are you referring to, I have a physical prototype of the steel plate and it works. If you are referring to the earlier pictures, that was a gb for an ALPS plate. I just posted it to show how the finish will look since I will be using the same manufacturer, finish and material.
2) Yes PCB mounted stabs and switch support. The plate will only support pcb mounted stabs.
Post by: SNReloaded on Mon, 01 May 2017, 18:41:26
It was the Alps plate group buy. Sorry for not reading that clearly.2 things:
1) The aluminum plate cutouts don't look like they support the split spacebar. Do they still?
2) Are we able to do PCB mounted switches with this PCB?
Thanks!
1) What image are you referring to, I have a physical prototype of the steel plate and it works. If you are referring to the earlier pictures, that was a gb for an ALPS plate. I just posted it to show how the finish will look since I will be using the same manufacturer, finish and material.
2) Yes PCB mounted stabs and switch support. The plate will only support pcb mounted stabs.
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Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 01 May 2017, 18:44:14
No worriesIt was the Alps plate group buy. Sorry for not reading that clearly.2 things:
1) The aluminum plate cutouts don't look like they support the split spacebar. Do they still?
2) Are we able to do PCB mounted switches with this PCB?
Thanks!
1) What image are you referring to, I have a physical prototype of the steel plate and it works. If you are referring to the earlier pictures, that was a gb for an ALPS plate. I just posted it to show how the finish will look since I will be using the same manufacturer, finish and material.
2) Yes PCB mounted stabs and switch support. The plate will only support pcb mounted stabs.
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Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 02 May 2017, 20:43:43
(https://images.discordapp.net/.eJwVzMENwyAMAMBdGAAbKInJNoggQhVqhN1X1d2r3gD3Me91m8NcqlMOgLNL4XVaUV65VduY213z7GILD8iquVyjvlTAB3SBkDbEPeyBfISARA5T8t7F5LYYH9DHv3nOZr4_vVohww.BIij9g5oVlFMfWUWtdW-jdkfOc8?width=352&height=470)
Post by: thad on Tue, 02 May 2017, 20:57:37
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Post by: waqar on Tue, 02 May 2017, 21:15:44
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 02 May 2017, 21:59:52
https://goo.gl/forms/V8lTPUeXBiBXKxAG3 (https://goo.gl/forms/V8lTPUeXBiBXKxAG3)
DCS Chocolate Banana
(http://i.imgur.com/Z2NPMMU.png)
Post by: ChitownM2 on Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:07:02
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:07:30
The only thing missing is split rightshift ⇧ and it's good to go.
We already support split right shift.
(http://i.imgur.com/R1F9rAo.jpg)
If this is what you are referring to we have support for that.
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:08:13
The red cherry ESC key should be a yellow banana. Also maybe use the same (light) yellow color for the arrow cluster instead of the alternate brown color.
It's supposed to look like the cherry on top of a banana split :)
Post by: SNReloaded on Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:23:14
Hey everyone me and evan have been working on a keyset that could be offered with the board. The set would probably be DCS since DSA is backed up until august. Please fill out the google form and provide any feedback you got. Cheers everyone.I love the color scheme, but as a Dvorak user, I was already going to be doing some funky layout things, and be putting down the Fn instead of the caps lock.
https://goo.gl/forms/V8lTPUeXBiBXKxAG3 (https://goo.gl/forms/V8lTPUeXBiBXKxAG3)
DCS Chocolate BananaShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Z2NPMMU.png)
Maybe a good alternative would be an all blank set with just the cherry and the "Logo" text down?
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Post by: waqar on Wed, 03 May 2017, 00:00:22
The only thing missing is split rightshift ⇧ and it's good to go.
We already support split right shift.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/R1F9rAo.jpg)
If this is what you are referring to we have support for that.
Yes, the right split shift and split backspace as shown in the build, and split spacebar. So looking forward to this PCB and plate.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 03 May 2017, 01:45:07
Haha my bad, thought you were referring to the pcb as a whole not just the build. Thanks for the support :DThe only thing missing is split rightshift ⇧ and it's good to go.
We already support split right shift.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/R1F9rAo.jpg)
If this is what you are referring to we have support for that.
Yes, the right split shift and split backspace as shown in the build, and split spacebar. So looking forward to this PCB and plate.
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Post by: iFreilicht on Wed, 03 May 2017, 04:03:28
Hey everyone me and evan have been working on a keyset that could be offered with the board. The set would probably be DCS since DSA is backed up until august. Please fill out the google form and provide any feedback you got. Cheers everyone.
https://goo.gl/forms/V8lTPUeXBiBXKxAG3 (https://goo.gl/forms/V8lTPUeXBiBXKxAG3)
DCS Chocolate BananaShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Z2NPMMU.png)
Looks good, but I'm out on a keyset for monetary reasons. Just the plate and PCB for me :)
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 03 May 2017, 10:32:49
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Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 03 May 2017, 10:35:29
If anyone has contact information for maxkeys I would love to run the set through their SA profile. :DDSA profile would be much appreciated! Maybe have an extra ? key that is part of the standard color as well?
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Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 03 May 2017, 10:36:23
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Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 03 May 2017, 10:58:40
Lead times for DSA are getting to long. Just to get out of queue you're looking at august.If anyone has contact information for maxkeys I would love to run the set through their SA profile. :DDSA profile would be much appreciated! Maybe have an extra ? key that is part of the standard color as well?
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Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 03 May 2017, 11:13:28
So SA and DSA are different?Lead times for DSA are getting to long. Just to get out of queue you're looking at august.If anyone has contact information for maxkeys I would love to run the set through their SA profile. :DDSA profile would be much appreciated! Maybe have an extra ? key that is part of the standard color as well?
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Also, what about XDA? That's a newer linear profile, right?
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Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 03 May 2017, 11:24:46
So SA and DSA are different?Lead times for DSA are getting to long. Just to get out of queue you're looking at august.If anyone has contact information for maxkeys I would love to run the set through their SA profile. :DDSA profile would be much appreciated! Maybe have an extra ? key that is part of the standard color as well?
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Also, what about XDA? That's a newer linear profile, right?
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Correct SA is sculpted high-profile, while DSA is non-sculpted low-profile. XDA is similair to DSA just a tad different. I believe XDA only offers dye sublimation currently and without the use of reverse dyesub the modifier colors could not be possible. Also reverse dyesub looks very inconsistent compared to standard doubleshot. But for legends it's completely fine and most of the time I actually prefer it.
Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 03 May 2017, 11:28:43
Okay, this is all very good to know!So SA and DSA are different?Lead times for DSA are getting to long. Just to get out of queue you're looking at august.If anyone has contact information for maxkeys I would love to run the set through their SA profile. :DDSA profile would be much appreciated! Maybe have an extra ? key that is part of the standard color as well?
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Also, what about XDA? That's a newer linear profile, right?
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Correct SA is sculpted high-profile, while DSA is non-sculpted low-profile. XDA is similair to DSA just a tad different. I believe XDA only offers dye sublimation currently and without the use of reverse dyesub the modifier colors could not be possible. Also reverse dyesub looks very inconsistent compared to standard doubleshot. But for legends it's completely fine and most of the time I actually prefer it.
I was just assuming that SA and DSA were the same : p
I like sculpted profiles, but it is so hard to find it for the Dvorak layout. It's not something to be worried about too much for this board, but I still wish : p
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Post by: megaforce on Wed, 03 May 2017, 11:59:08
Post by: ideus on Wed, 03 May 2017, 12:04:22
Hey everyone me and evan have been working on a keyset that could be offered with the board. The set would probably be DCS since DSA is backed up until august. Please fill out the google form and provide any feedback you got. Cheers everyone.
https://goo.gl/forms/V8lTPUeXBiBXKxAG3 (https://goo.gl/forms/V8lTPUeXBiBXKxAG3)
DCS Chocolate BananaShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Z2NPMMU.png)
R1 \|, R2 1.5 Backspace and R3 1.75 Ctrl are missing.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 03 May 2017, 12:09:13
Hey everyone me and evan have been working on a keyset that could be offered with the board. The set would probably be DCS since DSA is backed up until august. Please fill out the google form and provide any feedback you got. Cheers everyone.
https://goo.gl/forms/V8lTPUeXBiBXKxAG3 (https://goo.gl/forms/V8lTPUeXBiBXKxAG3)
DCS Chocolate BananaShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Z2NPMMU.png)
R1 \|, R2 1.5 Backspace and R3 1.75 Ctrl are missing.
Yup, I'll add those once I get home.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 03 May 2017, 12:20:52
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 03 May 2017, 13:32:55
(http://i.imgur.com/T9umeKf.png)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 03 May 2017, 13:37:53
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 03 May 2017, 13:41:57
It is a nice layout; but, I am not a fan of the pink. I ain't sure if I would get the set with it. Why not to offer the pink highlights as a sub set?
That's an idea, but offering that would bump the cost even more and I do not want to use kits to complicate it. The reason I don't want to just do the chocolate/brown, is because it is too similar to chocolatier and coffee. Plus this now gives it an ice-cream theme.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 03 May 2017, 13:44:50
It is a nice layout; but, I am not a fan of the pink. I ain't sure if I would get the set with it. Why not to offer the pink highlights as a sub set?
That's an idea, but offering that would bump the cost even more and I do not want to use kits to complicate it. The reason I don't want to just do the chocolate/brown because it is too similar to chocolatier and coffee. Plus this now gives it an ice-cream theme.
I got the deliciousness in your proposal and the hard logic of your reasoning, so feel free to go with your heart and let us the peasants make our minds along with you good taste. 8) 8)
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 03 May 2017, 13:48:05
It is a nice layout; but, I am not a fan of the pink. I ain't sure if I would get the set with it. Why not to offer the pink highlights as a sub set?
That's an idea, but offering that would bump the cost even more and I do not want to use kits to complicate it. The reason I don't want to just do the chocolate/brown because it is too similar to chocolatier and coffee. Plus this now gives it an ice-cream theme.
I got the deliciousness in your proposal and the hard logic of your reasoning, so feel free to go with your heart and let us the peasants make our minds along with you good taste. 8) 8)
Haha, a kit is definitely an option though. I'll setup a form later tonight with questions pertaining to the new set vs the old one.
Post by: kmba on Wed, 03 May 2017, 16:19:26
Post by: thad on Wed, 03 May 2017, 16:24:39
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Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 03 May 2017, 16:26:16
I'd buy the original blue and orange set, but I would pass on the banana themed set.. brown just ain't for me. I would also wait for dsa over dcs.. or even gmk but moq probably prohibitive.
I can bring back the orange and blue. I can make a poll some time tomorrow to see which set people like the most. I liked that set a lot as well :D.
Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 03 May 2017, 16:32:16
Just seems to fit the theme of the board better. The pink added in would work well too.
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Post by: thad on Wed, 03 May 2017, 16:37:47
I would like that.I'd buy the original blue and orange set, but I would pass on the banana themed set.. brown just ain't for me. I would also wait for dsa over dcs.. or even gmk but moq probably prohibitive.
I can bring back the orange and blue. I can make a poll some time tomorrow to see which set people like the most. I liked that set a lot as well :D.
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Post by: ideus on Wed, 03 May 2017, 16:38:02
Post by: arsenic on Wed, 03 May 2017, 17:29:00
I can understand people thinking this is too much- I'm really into it, personally, and I think that shade of pink you chose gives the set a little more dimension as far as contrast and chroma. It could also be cute to have a few optional accent keys (arrows, esc, return, etc.) as bonus keys with the classic layout. I know it'd cost more for the base set that way, but I'm generally happy to shell out a little extra on sets that are otherwise promising to get some options for little things like that. But maybe that's just me...
Post by: SNReloaded on Wed, 03 May 2017, 17:30:40
Yeah, neopolitan! (I hope I'm not the only one who suggested this, or I'd feel like a butt for thinking it was me who got this going...)I like the concept of this, but could you link some examples? (I'm new to this community, she there is a lot that I'm still learning)
I can understand people thinking this is too much- I'm really into it, personally, and I think that shade of pink you chose gives the set a little more dimension as far as contrast and chroma. It could also be cute to have a few optional accent keys (arrows, esc, return, etc.) as bonus keys with the classic layout. I know it'd cost more for the base set that way, but I'm generally happy to shell out a little extra on sets that are otherwise promising to get some options for little things like that. But maybe that's just me...
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Post by: ChitownM2 on Wed, 03 May 2017, 20:39:43
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 03 May 2017, 21:06:36
Is the plate going to support switch top removal?
Yup :D
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 03 May 2017, 21:08:23
https://goo.gl/forms/SXTuG7rj8aIvvmH92 (https://goo.gl/forms/SXTuG7rj8aIvvmH92)
Post by: lshcb35180 on Wed, 03 May 2017, 21:56:10
Post by: SNReloaded on Thu, 04 May 2017, 12:10:00
But that is my personal opinion.
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 04 May 2017, 12:32:29
The main design personally that I am against is the "Swimming with the Fish" one. It doesn't fit the theme of the keyboard. At least with the Neapolitan, Coffee, or Tropical breeze you can see how it is related to the keyboard name.
But that is my personal opinion.
Yeah it looks like coffee is the winner, with a neapolitan being a close second. Once I get the manafacturer sorted I would like to have a Neapolitan offered as a bonus kit.
Post by: SNReloaded on Thu, 04 May 2017, 12:46:11
Sounds good to me!The main design personally that I am against is the "Swimming with the Fish" one. It doesn't fit the theme of the keyboard. At least with the Neapolitan, Coffee, or Tropical breeze you can see how it is related to the keyboard name.
But that is my personal opinion.
Yeah it looks like coffee is the winner, with a neapolitan being a close second. Once I get the manafacturer sorted I would like to have a Neapolitan offered as a bonus kit.
What keycap profile was chosen?
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Post by: adam.baranyai on Thu, 04 May 2017, 16:39:55
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 04 May 2017, 17:42:00
What's the final consensus on the holtites support? Do I get it right that there's a chance they'll work but it's not certain and is not supported officially?
Yeah, basically if they work on the minivan pcb they should work on this one.
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 04 May 2017, 17:43:12
Sounds good to me!The main design personally that I am against is the "Swimming with the Fish" one. It doesn't fit the theme of the keyboard. At least with the Neapolitan, Coffee, or Tropical breeze you can see how it is related to the keyboard name.
But that is my personal opinion.
Yeah it looks like coffee is the winner, with a neapolitan being a close second. Once I get the manafacturer sorted I would like to have a Neapolitan offered as a bonus kit.
What keycap profile was chosen?
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Maxkeys in the lead with XDA being a close second. Maxkeys actually doesn't support a lot of the keys in questions. I'll talk to them about it since I've been talking to someone who is in contact with them. XDA could be a possibility with reverse dye sublimation.
Post by: adam.baranyai on Thu, 04 May 2017, 17:46:42
Yeah, basically if they work on the minivan pcb they should work on this one.
Great, hopefully Evangs will let us know what holtitites are most likely to be compatible with the banana split pcb then.
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 04 May 2017, 23:50:15
Samples of their reverse dye sub to come soon!
In the meantime I'll be getting the pcb prototypes tomorrow, expect a couple builds to be posted this weekend.
(http://i.imgur.com/vICnHed.png?1)
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Post by: SNReloaded on Fri, 05 May 2017, 06:36:41
Alright with the winner being coffee (chocolate) at 50% and Neapolitan coming at around 25% I decided to merge the two kits together, offering the Neapolitan (pink set) as an addon kit. Evan and I are currently in the talks of doing this with XDA with their reverse dye sublimation :D. PBT for the feelios. Let me know what you guys think.This looks awesome! Thanks for all the hard work!
Samples of their reverse dye sub to come soon!
In the meantime I'll be getting the pcb prototypes tomorrow, expect a couple builds to be posted this weekend.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vICnHed.png?1)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9JpIiui.png?1)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pkOWft1.png)
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Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 05 May 2017, 14:13:57
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 05 May 2017, 14:36:17
Thinking about doing a livestream tomorrow. Me and evan will host a Q&A session while I build a prototype board. Going to have to mess around with some stream settings but I will keep everyone posted.
Please post a link before you do! I would be very interested in watching a livestreamed build of one these prototypes. Not sure how I missed this IC before but I'm loving the plethora of layouts you have planned for this plate & am definitely very interested in joining the GB. I promised myself no more 60%s for awhile so I could add some different layouts to my custom collection, 75%, 96 key, 1800, & TKL customs are high on my list but I may have to switch up the plans to allow for this board. Very unique & very well thought out build IMO, great work here @Arhipio! :thumb:
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 05 May 2017, 15:59:37
Will do, thanks for the thoughtful response :DThinking about doing a livestream tomorrow. Me and evan will host a Q&A session while I build a prototype board. Going to have to mess around with some stream settings but I will keep everyone posted.
Please post a link before you do! I would be very interested in watching a livestreamed build of one these prototypes. Not sure how I missed this IC before but I'm loving the plethora of layouts you have planned for this plate & am definitely very interested in joining the GB. I promised myself no more 60%s for awhile so I could add some different layouts to my custom collection, 75%, 96 key, 1800, & TKL customs are high on my list but I may have to switch up the plans to allow for this board. Very unique & very well thought out build IMO, great work here @Arhipio! :thumb:
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Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 05 May 2017, 19:12:09
(http://i.imgur.com/XSrBvDk.png)
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Post by: ChitownM2 on Fri, 05 May 2017, 21:17:06
Post by: SNReloaded on Fri, 05 May 2017, 21:37:12
Looking good. Still trying to decide what caps I'm going to put on thisThere are the caps (potentially) through this group buy. If not Alibaba has some relatively cheap pbt XDA keycaps
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Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 05 May 2017, 21:45:21
Looking good. Still trying to decide what caps I'm going to put on thisThere are the caps (potentially) through this group buy. If not Alibaba has some relatively cheap pbt XDA keycaps
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Also an enjoy pbt set off aliexpress covers a BananaSplit and really any gmk set. It's a pretty versatile layout :D
Post by: SNReloaded on Fri, 05 May 2017, 21:46:45
Wow, I said Alibaba... I meant AliExpress xDLooking good. Still trying to decide what caps I'm going to put on thisThere are the caps (potentially) through this group buy. If not Alibaba has some relatively cheap pbt XDA keycaps
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Also an enjoy pbt set off aliexpress covers a BananaSplit and really any gmk set. It's a pretty versatile layout :D
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Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 05 May 2017, 22:36:37
Link to the stream: https://www.twitch.tv/arhipio
I'll also post another message before we go live.
Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Fri, 05 May 2017, 23:14:30
Post by: SNReloaded on Fri, 05 May 2017, 23:15:41
This is really interesting. I like the concept, but what will the middle key inbetween the split spacebar serve as? Anything you want to put there?For me personally I am putting backspace on left, delete in middle, and space on right
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Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Fri, 05 May 2017, 23:24:37
Post by: SNReloaded on Fri, 05 May 2017, 23:28:25
Oh yeah that works!That's what I figured as well. Reduce strain on that pinky finger since I spend most of my time doing programming
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Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 06 May 2017, 00:49:36
Oh yeah that works!That's what I figured as well. Reduce strain on that pinky finger since I spend most of my time doing programming
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This sounds really niche, but I will be using it for trinkets in League of Legends. Other than probably print screen for me, just a dedicated alt tab macro.
Post by: kmba on Sat, 06 May 2017, 08:20:25
This is really interesting. I like the concept, but what will the middle key inbetween the split spacebar serve as? Anything you want to put there?For me personally I am putting backspace on left, delete in middle, and space on right
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I'm using mine for a gaming build. Gives 3 buttons I can easily hit with my thumb instead of 1. Will reduce reaching with index and pinky finger.
Post by: atsession on Sat, 06 May 2017, 09:46:48
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 06 May 2017, 10:55:56
Pcbs are looking great. Very hyped for this. Still would like to know the likelihood of of a retro 60 case release at the same time or if I should find another 60 case option. Regardless I'm in for the GB. :thumb:
It's looking likely :D
Post by: 8megabit on Sat, 06 May 2017, 12:08:17
If no, what stabs do I need and where would be a good place to get them? This will be my first build so that's why I wonder. This layout seems perfect for me and I literally cannot wait!
Post by: SNReloaded on Sat, 06 May 2017, 12:11:57
Quick question, I don't remember if this has been confirmed: will the group buy include the option to buy the stabs needed (for split spacebar layout)?I believe if you look on the first page it will list stabilizers for $10
If no, what stabs do I need and where would be a good place to get them? This will be my first build so that's why I wonder. This layout seems perfect for me and I literally cannot wait!
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Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 06 May 2017, 12:15:16
Quick question, I don't remember if this has been confirmed: will the group buy include the option to buy the stabs needed (for split spacebar layout)?I believe if you look on the first page it will list stabilizers for $10
If no, what stabs do I need and where would be a good place to get them? This will be my first build so that's why I wonder. This layout seems perfect for me and I literally cannot wait!
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Correct, a stab pack will be offered for $10 that should cover all the layouts.
Post by: 8megabit on Sat, 06 May 2017, 12:36:05
I believe if you look on the first page it will list stabilizers for $10
Correct, a stab pack will be offered for $10 that should cover all the layouts.
Ah, my bad. Tried searching but failed.
So just to be clear, since I'm a noob, a 2u stabilizer works for a 2.25u and 2.75u key?
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 06 May 2017, 13:05:12
I believe if you look on the first page it will list stabilizers for $10Correct, a stab pack will be offered for $10 that should cover all the layouts.
Ah, my bad. Tried searching but failed.
So just to be clear, since I'm a noob, a 2u stabilizer works for a 2.25u and 2.75u key?
Correct.
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 06 May 2017, 15:05:55
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 06 May 2017, 18:24:57
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/140631099
Pictures of the BananaSplit built during the stream.
(http://i.imgur.com/ghRgVmI.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/23SsLmo.png)
Post by: SNReloaded on Sat, 06 May 2017, 18:57:49
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Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Sun, 07 May 2017, 00:21:37
Post by: Krakob on Sun, 07 May 2017, 01:06:29
If you're running a keycap set I would love to see Nordic included, if you think that is feasible. You can look into Wodan's NorDe kit, which is a compressed version of German, Swedish/Finnish, Norwegian, and Danish in something like 15 keys.
Post by: tinyprawn on Sun, 07 May 2017, 06:36:12
Thank you to everyone that joined, it was a blast to hang out with you guys and answer some questions. Here's the VOD to the stream if you missed it.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/140631099
Pictures of the BananaSplit built during the stream.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ghRgVmI.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/23SsLmo.png)
Did you end up with extra PCB prototypes that you're not going to use? I'm getting a plate cut that's similar enough to what you're building that the PCB should be compatible. I don't mind soldering the surface mount stuff.
If not, I'll wait for the GB and get some PCBs.
Looks great!
Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 07 May 2017, 12:14:36
I'll be using the rest to test different layouts to make sure everything worksThank you to everyone that joined, it was a blast to hang out with you guys and answer some questions. Here's the VOD to the stream if you missed it.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/140631099
Pictures of the BananaSplit built during the stream.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ghRgVmI.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/23SsLmo.png)
Did you end up with extra PCB prototypes that you're not going to use? I'm getting a plate cut that's similar enough to what you're building that the PCB should be compatible. I don't mind soldering the surface mount stuff.
If not, I'll wait for the GB and get some PCBs.
Looks great!
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Post by: Arhipio on Sun, 07 May 2017, 19:27:09
(http://i.imgur.com/mrqgIDS.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/EB0IMKe.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/jnsSYh2.png)
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Post by: SNReloaded on Sun, 07 May 2017, 19:55:00
Some awesome news, after the stream a lot of you showed interest in having a case sold with the board. I talked it over with Evan and we will offer the Retro60 case with BananaSplit groupbuy launch. He is getting some prototypes made in a rush and hopefully we will post some pics by next week. Here are some renders of the case in question.I love the look of the case! I will be making a case with my dad, a custom wood one with a wrist rest. Good to see the case partnered with it though.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mrqgIDS.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EB0IMKe.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jnsSYh2.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/odED1mJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BNImC2A.png)
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Post by: neon_tom on Sun, 07 May 2017, 19:59:11
Post by: ChitownM2 on Sun, 07 May 2017, 21:22:16
Post by: SNReloaded on Sun, 07 May 2017, 21:48:23
Great looking case, I'll be in for pcb, plate, & case if the price isn't crazy.
Remember to grab the Stabilizers as well!
Post by: ChitownM2 on Sun, 07 May 2017, 21:50:13
Great looking case, I'll be in for pcb, plate, & case if the price isn't crazy.
Remember to grab the Stabilizers as well!
Of course!
Post by: Str1pez on Sun, 07 May 2017, 23:15:31
Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Sun, 07 May 2017, 23:19:53
Post by: sklin on Mon, 08 May 2017, 00:06:00
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 08 May 2017, 01:03:03
Oh crazy. Wasn't expecting a case. That thing is nice. Is the addition of the case gonna push back the launch of the PCB's and plates? I already sourced a case for my Banana Split build.
It won't push back the pcb/plate launch :D
Post by: ectoplasmatic on Mon, 08 May 2017, 05:26:02
Post by: 8megabit on Mon, 08 May 2017, 06:56:04
whoa looking really good!! Question - from the CAD drawings can't 100% tell if the alu case is going to be high profile or low profile. It looks pretty deep with the USB connector, but can't be sure. Looking at adding feet for an angle as well? This project is really looking to tick so many boxes...! An incredible looking PCB with so much flexibility, custom keycap set, and now a custom large bezel alu case? You're doing a lot of things right!
He said on stream it was high profile.
@Arhipio: I also wonder if the case will have feet. And what price are you looking at for the case?
Post by: ectoplasmatic on Mon, 08 May 2017, 07:51:17
whoa looking really good!! Question - from the CAD drawings can't 100% tell if the alu case is going to be high profile or low profile. It looks pretty deep with the USB connector, but can't be sure. Looking at adding feet for an angle as well? This project is really looking to tick so many boxes...! An incredible looking PCB with so much flexibility, custom keycap set, and now a custom large bezel alu case? You're doing a lot of things right!
He said on stream it was high profile.
@Arhipio: I also wonder if the case will have feet. And what price are you looking at for the case?
nice, thanks!
yeah just checked the reddit thread where evangs shows the retro60... he says it's intended to be used flat, but there are holes for feet if wanted. He also had some renders of the same case with an acrylic middle for underglow, wonder if they will pursue that too...
Post by: ChitownM2 on Mon, 08 May 2017, 12:52:55
nice, thanks!
yeah just checked the reddit thread where evangs shows the retro60... he says it's intended to be used flat, but there are holes for feet if wanted. He also had some renders of the same case with an acrylic middle for underglow, wonder if they will pursue that too...
link? I'd like to check it out.
Post by: megaforce on Mon, 08 May 2017, 13:14:13
Post by: qn0x on Mon, 08 May 2017, 13:24:50
Whispers Brass plates
Stop it, you're making me drool!
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 08 May 2017, 14:00:11
whoa looking really good!! Question - from the CAD drawings can't 100% tell if the alu case is going to be high profile or low profile. It looks pretty deep with the USB connector, but can't be sure. Looking at adding feet for an angle as well? This project is really looking to tick so many boxes...! An incredible looking PCB with so much flexibility, custom keycap set, and now a custom large bezel alu case? You're doing a lot of things right!
He said on stream it was high profile.
@Arhipio: I also wonder if the case will have feet. And what price are you looking at for the case?
nice, thanks!
yeah just checked the reddit thread where evangs shows the retro60... he says it's intended to be used flat, but there are holes for feet if wanted. He also had some renders of the same case with an acrylic middle for underglow, wonder if they will pursue that too...
I could ask about the acrylic mid piece, but I believe that idea is scrapped.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Mon, 08 May 2017, 14:00:27
Whispers Brass plates
don't believe the hype
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 08 May 2017, 14:00:54
whoa looking really good!! Question - from the CAD drawings can't 100% tell if the alu case is going to be high profile or low profile. It looks pretty deep with the USB connector, but can't be sure. Looking at adding feet for an angle as well? This project is really looking to tick so many boxes...! An incredible looking PCB with so much flexibility, custom keycap set, and now a custom large bezel alu case? You're doing a lot of things right!
He said on stream it was high profile.
@Arhipio: I also wonder if the case will have feet. And what price are you looking at for the case?
Like people have answered it will have holes for feet, price is still undetermined.
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 08 May 2017, 14:01:48
Whispers Brass plates
What have you done...
but on a serious note. Round 2, round 2...
Post by: megaforce on Mon, 08 May 2017, 14:02:33
fntaLULWhispers Brass plates
What have you done...
but on a serious note. Round 2, round 2...
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Post by: ectoplasmatic on Mon, 08 May 2017, 14:12:27
nice, thanks!
yeah just checked the reddit thread where evangs shows the retro60... he says it's intended to be used flat, but there are holes for feet if wanted. He also had some renders of the same case with an acrylic middle for underglow, wonder if they will pursue that too...
link? I'd like to check it out.
here you go! https://imgur.com/a/J9GEF
Post by: ectoplasmatic on Mon, 08 May 2017, 14:13:15
whoa looking really good!! Question - from the CAD drawings can't 100% tell if the alu case is going to be high profile or low profile. It looks pretty deep with the USB connector, but can't be sure. Looking at adding feet for an angle as well? This project is really looking to tick so many boxes...! An incredible looking PCB with so much flexibility, custom keycap set, and now a custom large bezel alu case? You're doing a lot of things right!
He said on stream it was high profile.
@Arhipio: I also wonder if the case will have feet. And what price are you looking at for the case?
nice, thanks!
yeah just checked the reddit thread where evangs shows the retro60... he says it's intended to be used flat, but there are holes for feet if wanted. He also had some renders of the same case with an acrylic middle for underglow, wonder if they will pursue that too...
I could ask about the acrylic mid piece, but I believe that idea is scrapped.
i see! either way man, thanks for all your excellent work!
Post by: vim_commando on Mon, 08 May 2017, 17:28:35
The 6u-7u space bar just seems like such a waste of... uh... space. But I'm not convinced I'm ready for the jump down 40%.
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 08 May 2017, 17:41:45
I love what you are doing with the layouts :thumb:
The 6u-7u space bar just seems like such a waste of... uh... space. But I'm not convinced I'm ready for the jump down 40%.
Exactly, although I'm not gonna deny how nice it is to carry my planck to work. I have plans for even more layout support, including WKL and split WKL.
Post by: SNReloaded on Mon, 08 May 2017, 18:17:30
What is WKL?I love what you are doing with the layouts :thumb:
The 6u-7u space bar just seems like such a waste of... uh... space. But I'm not convinced I'm ready for the jump down 40%.
Exactly, although I'm not gonna deny how nice it is to carry my planck to work. I have plans for even more layout support, including WKL and split WKL.
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Post by: kmba on Mon, 08 May 2017, 20:30:30
Post by: SNReloaded on Mon, 08 May 2017, 20:36:21
WinkeylessThank you!
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Post by: atomicus on Tue, 09 May 2017, 09:16:38
nice, thanks!
yeah just checked the reddit thread where evangs shows the retro60... he says it's intended to be used flat, but there are holes for feet if wanted. He also had some renders of the same case with an acrylic middle for underglow, wonder if they will pursue that too...
link? I'd like to check it out.
here you go! https://imgur.com/a/J9GEF
That looks great. Will it come in that colour option, other colours also? Acrylic middle would be sweet! :)
Post by: Str1pez on Tue, 09 May 2017, 12:00:52
Oh crazy. Wasn't expecting a case. That thing is nice. Is the addition of the case gonna push back the launch of the PCB's and plates? I already sourced a case for my Banana Split build.
It won't push back the pcb/plate launch :D
Myyyyyyy maaaan! Nice.
Getting ultra stoked for this. I'm like seriously considering getting 2.... sorta want to build a Miami Dolch one as well for my girlfriend. Buuuut the K-Type is next week. Aaarrrrggghhhh too many cool keebs coming out!
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 09 May 2017, 14:04:33
We'll have extras if you wanna pick up a second one later ;)Oh crazy. Wasn't expecting a case. That thing is nice. Is the addition of the case gonna push back the launch of the PCB's and plates? I already sourced a case for my Banana Split build.
It won't push back the pcb/plate launch :D
Myyyyyyy maaaan! Nice.
Getting ultra stoked for this. I'm like seriously considering getting 2.... sorta want to build a Miami Dolch one as well for my girlfriend. Buuuut the K-Type is next week. Aaarrrrggghhhh too many cool keebs coming out!
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Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 09 May 2017, 22:01:10
(http://i.imgur.com/raGxnwG.png)
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Tue, 09 May 2017, 22:56:07
For anyone wondering, the pcb does support pcb mounted switches. Working on a build atm :D.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/raGxnwG.png)
look good :thumb:
key set is XDA Middle Earth, I presume?
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 09 May 2017, 23:06:41
For anyone wondering, the pcb does support pcb mounted switches. Working on a build atm :D.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/raGxnwG.png)
look good :thumb:
key set is XDA Middle Earth, I presume?
Yeah, so excited to finally use the caps.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 10 May 2017, 04:30:40
Post by: mnmlisme on Fri, 12 May 2017, 17:38:55
Just found this IC and I'm really liking this layout:sorry if I missed out but does this layout supported in the end? I love the split spacebar and the "arranged" arrow keys. I don't really like the single 1U between the spacebar in the original layout.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IcxSZF6.png)
I don't use the right shift/win/Ctrl keys ever and always wanted to replace that section with an arrow cluster. A split spacebar would just be icing on the cake.
I love the name too! Give me a Banana Split with DSA Nanner and a Banana Snackey and I would love that board <3
Post by: SNReloaded on Fri, 12 May 2017, 17:54:12
This is what is currently supported. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170512/b503c571a102696f996293aeef0add09.jpg)Just found this IC and I'm really liking this layout:sorry if I missed out but does this layout supported in the end? I love the split spacebar and the "arranged" arrow keys. I don't really like the single 1U between the spacebar in the original layout.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IcxSZF6.png)
I don't use the right shift/win/Ctrl keys ever and always wanted to replace that section with an arrow cluster. A split spacebar would just be icing on the cake.
I love the name too! Give me a Banana Split with DSA Nanner and a Banana Snackey and I would love that board <3
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Post by: mnmlisme on Fri, 12 May 2017, 22:45:53
This is what is currently supported.aww bummer. guess the 1u stays. is that a usual layout among split spacebar? what are you guys planning to use the 1u between the spacebar for?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170512/b503c571a102696f996293aeef0add09.jpg)
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Post by: vim_commando on Fri, 12 May 2017, 22:59:28
aww bummer. guess the 1u stays. is that a usual layout among split spacebar? what are you guys planning to use the 1u between the spacebar for?
My plan is to make it my Fn layer key. I like the right thumb Fn key on my Tex, and it has a 5u space bar. I find it much nicer than using a pinky for the Fn layer like I have on the Infinity (6u space).
Post by: SNReloaded on Fri, 12 May 2017, 23:31:20
aww bummer. guess the 1u stays. is that a usual layout among split spacebar? what are you guys planning to use the 1u between the spacebar for?
I plan to use the left space as my backspace and the middle 1u key as a delete key
Post by: mnmlisme on Sat, 13 May 2017, 10:11:14
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 13 May 2017, 12:22:58
tried left bar as backspace with my vortex core but it doesnt feel natural to me. to me back space at top right is still the fastest to access. guess i'll take a pass this time.
It's programmable so you don't have to use the split spacebars as a backspace and space. You can program them to whatever you want. The 2.75u on the right feels really natural with a supporting 2.25u on the left for anything else.
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 13 May 2017, 13:57:30
(http://i.imgur.com/h1JkKH6.png)
Post by: SNReloaded on Sat, 13 May 2017, 13:59:36
XDA might be my new favorite profile, BananaSplit prototype with pcb mounted yellows, XDA Milestone Middle-Earth, HHKB backspace, 2.75/2.25 split and arrow keys.I am a huge fan of the XDA profile myself. It looks excellent.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h1JkKH6.png)
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Post by: qn0x on Sat, 13 May 2017, 14:02:41
XDA might be my new favorite profile, BananaSplit prototype with pcb mounted yellows, XDA Milestone Middle-Earth, HHKB backspace, 2.75/2.25 split and arrow keys.Looks great! Can't wait for the GB.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h1JkKH6.png)
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Post by: qn0x on Sat, 13 May 2017, 14:02:52
XDA might be my new favorite profile, BananaSplit prototype with pcb mounted yellows, XDA Milestone Middle-Earth, HHKB backspace, 2.75/2.25 split and arrow keys.Looks great! Can't wait for the GB.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h1JkKH6.png)
Post by: mnmlisme on Mon, 15 May 2017, 01:11:05
oh yeah, I know, I'm just saying I'm yet to get used of having a separate left space bar, add another 1u button in the middle and I'm sure slip ons will happen. that's just me though. totally personal preference. If only the banana split support the split spacebar layout without the 1u in the middle, I'm totally in. Is banana split the first 60% with split space bar?tried left bar as backspace with my vortex core but it doesnt feel natural to me. to me back space at top right is still the fastest to access. guess i'll take a pass this time.
It's programmable so you don't have to use the split spacebars as a backspace and space. You can program them to whatever you want. The 2.75u on the right feels really natural with a supporting 2.25u on the left for anything else.
Post by: PotatoTM on Wed, 17 May 2017, 00:40:44
Post by: stand.geek on Wed, 17 May 2017, 00:54:38
oh yeah, I know, I'm just saying I'm yet to get used of having a separate left space bar, add another 1u button in the middle and I'm sure slip ons will happen. that's just me though. totally personal preference. If only the banana split support the split spacebar layout without the 1u in the middle, I'm totally in. Is banana split the first 60% with split space bar?tried left bar as backspace with my vortex core but it doesnt feel natural to me. to me back space at top right is still the fastest to access. guess i'll take a pass this time.
It's programmable so you don't have to use the split spacebars as a backspace and space. You can program them to whatever you want. The 2.75u on the right feels really natural with a supporting 2.25u on the left for anything else.
mnmlisme, found you here. I'm the one that make you buy vortex core. lol
btw, there is another split spacebar 60%, but the GB already over. It's YAS62 https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0
The downside with YAS is there is a blocker in bottom left and right. So I definitely go with this one.
for the 1.25u button in the middle, you can turn it off to do nothing if you don't want it there.
Post by: mnmlisme on Wed, 17 May 2017, 01:17:07
uh oh I've been caught lol not function either man, more of aesthetic preference. I even sold my POK3R just because I found a nicer keyboard with aligned, all 1u sized arrow buttons. I'm picky that way haha.oh yeah, I know, I'm just saying I'm yet to get used of having a separate left space bar, add another 1u button in the middle and I'm sure slip ons will happen. that's just me though. totally personal preference. If only the banana split support the split spacebar layout without the 1u in the middle, I'm totally in. Is banana split the first 60% with split space bar?tried left bar as backspace with my vortex core but it doesnt feel natural to me. to me back space at top right is still the fastest to access. guess i'll take a pass this time.
It's programmable so you don't have to use the split spacebars as a backspace and space. You can program them to whatever you want. The 2.75u on the right feels really natural with a supporting 2.25u on the left for anything else.
mnmlisme, found you here. I'm the one that make you buy vortex core. lol
btw, there is another split spacebar 60%, but the GB already over. It's YAS62 https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0
The downside with YAS is there is a blocker in bottom left and right. So I definitely go with this one.
for the 1.25u button in the middle, you can turn it off to do nothing if you don't want it there.
Would love a 60% with a split bar, but the 1u in the middle is a turn off for me.
I don't hate Banana 60%, it's a great looking kb. Just me being picky. Maybe there will be others.
Are you picking this one up?
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Post by: kmba on Wed, 17 May 2017, 01:29:44
I'm buying this for gaming. Three keys for my thumb instead of one.
Post by: ThatsFineThatOne on Wed, 17 May 2017, 04:28:20
Post by: mrbishop on Wed, 17 May 2017, 08:40:43
Post by: 8megabit on Fri, 19 May 2017, 05:14:11
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 19 May 2017, 10:20:04
Any updates? Just received some stuff I'm gonna use with the build and I neeeeeeeeed this GB to happen soon! :)
Not yet, currently waiting on some case prototypes and keycap prototypes. Also I have finals coming up next week so I've taken a small halt on the GB launch artwork. The ball should get rolling pretty soon.
Post by: mnmlisme on Thu, 25 May 2017, 03:30:51
Post by: Auk on Thu, 25 May 2017, 05:19:20
I know it's probably not top priority of the desired features for those that don't play games, but do these community built projects generally include support for high polling rates and low latency input? The Deskthority wiki page for Easy AVR (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Easy_AVR_USB_Keyboard_Firmware) lists 1000hz polling rate under features and also lists ATmega32U4 amongst the supported hardware.
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 25 May 2017, 12:18:18
I know it's probably not top priority of the desired features for those that don't play games, but do these community built projects generally include support for high polling rates and low latency input? The Deskthority wiki page for Easy AVR (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Easy_AVR_USB_Keyboard_Firmware) lists 1000hz polling rate under features and also lists ATmega32U4 amongst the supported hardware.
I'll ask evan if this is just a standard feature of an atmega 32u4 then it's probably supported. But I'll double check
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 25 May 2017, 12:20:27
Hey everyone after 8 months of working on this keyboard project. Me and /u/evangs are finally ready to launch the groupbuy! Thanks for everyone who have showed their unrelenting support, it means a lot.
For anyone who hasn’t been following, The BananaSplit 60 is a collobaration between me and /u/evangs to provide the most versatile 60% keyboard without losing features. The main features are, 2 different styles of split-spacebar support, arrow key support, and other varying things like support for standard ANSI, ISO, HHKB style backspaces and stepped caps lock. The kits will come with the PCB itself, genuine cherry stabilizers and steel plates. To read more of the features go ahead and read through the first post on the geekhack page.
The groupbuy will contain three options:
-- The base kit will include: The PCB, Universal Stainless Steel Plate and Genuine Cherry Stabilizers (The stabilizer pack will include one 6.25u stabilizers and six 2u stabilizers).
-- The barebones kit will include: The PCB, and Genuine Cherry Stabilizers.
-- And finally we will offer just the PCB as an option.
Currently we are still fleshing out the price, but the price for the base kit will be $100.
Feel free to ask any questions I’ll be more than happy to answer them :D.
Post by: waqar on Thu, 25 May 2017, 13:30:24
Post by: kmba on Thu, 25 May 2017, 13:46:21
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 25 May 2017, 13:52:49
What happened to the awesome case? Is there going to be an option to buy it?
The retro case is still being made, evan just realized it'll take longer than he had expected.
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 25 May 2017, 13:56:43
Post by: ChitownM2 on Thu, 25 May 2017, 17:23:36
We had dev/tty, oblivion, yuri, lightsaver, k-type. SA Carbon and now this? Ugh. Seriously can't afford all of this....
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 25 May 2017, 17:33:17
Is there a conspiracy out there to make sure that all the keyboard related things I want all happen in the same 30 days?
We had dev/tty, oblivion, yuri, lightsaver, k-type. SA Carbon and now this? Ugh. Seriously can't afford all of this....
We'll have extras available.
Post by: Str1pez on Thu, 25 May 2017, 17:54:24
For now it's gonna be rocking GMK Plum but once Miami Dolch comes in I'm throwing that on it.
Post by: mike873 on Thu, 25 May 2017, 20:41:10
I came up with a new design for people who want to have an arrow key cluster but still maintain a pretty natural shift position. Tell me what you guys think, if you really like it I will include it to our top 3.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/4dyAonh.png)
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 25 May 2017, 20:42:26
Is this layout supported by the final version?I came up with a new design for people who want to have an arrow key cluster but still maintain a pretty natural shift position. Tell me what you guys think, if you really like it I will include it to our top 3.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/4dyAonh.png)
No that is long gone, the one currently supported is the one on the first post.
Post by: SNReloaded on Thu, 25 May 2017, 20:42:50
Is this layout supported by the final version?These are the supported layouts(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170526/f3b2d3bb1159fe32ef73679eef5b7236.jpg)I came up with a new design for people who want to have an arrow key cluster but still maintain a pretty natural shift position. Tell me what you guys think, if you really like it I will include it to our top 3.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/4dyAonh.png)
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Post by: e_l_tang on Thu, 25 May 2017, 22:53:05
Post by: kmba on Thu, 25 May 2017, 23:11:58
Post by: e_l_tang on Thu, 25 May 2017, 23:49:02
They don't have 1.25u convex molds unfortunately. Would be an expensive proposition.They didn't charge anything for the ones they're making right now, and I don't think they'll charge for any in the future.
Post by: ChitownM2 on Fri, 26 May 2017, 07:05:14
Quote from: tameone
They didn't charge anything for the[quote author=e_l_tang link=topic=84891.msg2430493#msg2430493 date=1495774142They don't have 1.25u convex molds unfortunately. Would be an expensive proposition.They didn't charge anything for the ones they're making right now, and I don't think they'll charge for any in the future.
hey're making right now, and I don't think they'll charge for any in the future.
It's all based on demand. They saw sufficient demand for 1u & 2u that they decided to make the mold. My guess is that is not the case for 1.25u.
Post by: kmba on Fri, 26 May 2017, 08:14:59
Post by: tinyprawn on Fri, 26 May 2017, 09:27:50
2.25, 2.75 and 1.25u spacebars are becoming more popular with 40% boards and larger split space boards. There's been a few GMK kits lately that offer 2.25 and 2.75 in a spacebar kit; however, they're just concave keys. I can see GMK making a move at some point, but I think they'd need to see a lot more demand first like they have on the OLKB front.
They took about 6 months to build the 1u and 2u keys after they were convinced it would be worth the energy but the first 1u/2u convex keys are just now dropping for the first time. I'd expect that demand will be demonstrated over the course of 2017's second half and they'll probably start building the 2.25/2.75 space keys in 2018 and then move on to 1.75 and 1.5 the following year...
If nobody steps up, I may run a drop for 2 spacebars in popular colors like N9, U9, CR, etc later this year (after Yuri ships and we know whether those keys came out right).
Post by: Shiftshape on Fri, 26 May 2017, 12:48:34
Is there a conspiracy out there to make sure that all the keyboard related things I want all happen in the same 30 days?
We had dev/tty, oblivion, yuri, lightsaver, k-type. SA Carbon and now this? Ugh. Seriously can't afford all of this....
I know of this fell you are experiencing! Personally, my hype levels (and wallet) are off the chain right about now.
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 26 May 2017, 13:06:38
Have you contacted GMK to see if they would be willing to make convex space bars for this keyboard? They're already making 1u and 2u space bars.
I have not but we are thinking of doing the keyset in xda and luckily they already have convex space bar molds for 2.25 and 2.75 keys. :thumb:
Post by: vim_commando on Fri, 26 May 2017, 13:43:12
I have not but we are thinking of doing the keyset in xda and luckily they already have convex space bar molds for 2.25 and 2.75 keys. :thumb:
Ugh, don't tell me that. Here I thought I could get away with just the barebones kit! :-\ :))
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 26 May 2017, 13:49:25
I have not but we are thinking of doing the keyset in xda and luckily they already have convex space bar molds for 2.25 and 2.75 keys. :thumb:
Ugh, don't tell me that. Here I thought I could get away with just the barebones kit! :-\ :))
Haha this won't be for a while and won't be included with the original release. So you have time ;)
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 01 June 2017, 01:01:03
Link to the gb, I'll make a gb post tomorrow.
https://thevankeyboards.com/ (https://thevankeyboards.com/)
Post by: 8megabit on Thu, 01 June 2017, 02:07:51
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 01 June 2017, 02:30:32
Will my card get charged when I enter the GB or when the GB ends? My card is a bit strange so I have to "open" it for internet purchases, which can only be done 60 minutes at a time. So it would be more convenient if I'm charged directly when I enter.
That's an evan question, I'll ask tomorrow morning :)
Post by: ctrl on Thu, 01 June 2017, 06:16:09
Feeling hesitant to join the GB. Kinda want it. Kinda want to wait and see what a future revision has in store.
Post by: evangs on Thu, 01 June 2017, 06:51:52
Will my card get charged when I enter the GB or when the GB ends? My card is a bit strange so I have to "open" it for internet purchases, which can only be done 60 minutes at a time. So it would be more convenient if I'm charged directly when I enter.
You will be charged right away when you purchase.
Post by: ChitownM2 on Thu, 01 June 2017, 06:54:42
Groupbuy is live, thanks for everyone who participated and helped us with this project. Means a lot :thumb:
Link to the gb, I'll make a gb post tomorrow.
https://thevankeyboards.com/ (https://thevankeyboards.com/)
Can you add the key sizes to the graphic on the GB page? A lot of them are obvious I guess, but what size is the right shift in the traditional arrow layout? 1.75?
Post by: nao on Thu, 01 June 2017, 07:19:35
Feeling hesitant to join the GB. Kinda want it. Kinda want to wait and see what a future revision has in store.
I'm looking forward to case and keycaps, too.
Post by: donut_sauce on Thu, 01 June 2017, 09:01:44
Post by: kmba on Thu, 01 June 2017, 09:18:46
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 01 June 2017, 09:51:12
https://sentraq.com/collections/frontpage/products/60-acrylic-case
https://sentraq.com/collections/frontpage/products/60-aluminum-milled-case
Post by: Krakob on Thu, 01 June 2017, 11:35:42
Hoping to see some cool improvements and a better price in R2! ;)
Post by: evangs on Thu, 01 June 2017, 11:42:17
Anyone interested in a case, Sentraq has some in stock. I'm assuming these will work evangs?
https://sentraq.com/collections/frontpage/products/60-acrylic-case
https://sentraq.com/collections/frontpage/products/60-aluminum-milled-case
Any standard 60% case should work. I've confirmed the Tex case as well as the Taobao hi profile case that was on MD recently as those are what I have.
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 01 June 2017, 12:53:55
Post by: Nuum on Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:10:24
It turns out to about $100 for just the PCB for me thanks to shipping and taxes, so I can't join in on this one. Really bummed out 'cause this is pretty much the best layout I can design for myself. On the bright side, I do have an XD60 incoming, which I'll make a pretty similar and solid build with!
Hoping to see some cool improvements and a better price in R2! ;)
Yup, it really is quite expensive and as much as I'd love to get a 60% keyboard with this layout I really don't know if I can justify paying that much. Is there any reason why this is so expensive? Am I missing something?
Post by: kmba on Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:24:01
Post by: ReverbSlush on Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:36:35
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-frosted-acrylic-mechanical-keyboard-case (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-frosted-acrylic-mechanical-keyboard-case)
wish me luck!
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:38:16
It turns out to about $100 for just the PCB for me thanks to shipping and taxes, so I can't join in on this one. Really bummed out 'cause this is pretty much the best layout I can design for myself. On the bright side, I do have an XD60 incoming, which I'll make a pretty similar and solid build with!
Hoping to see some cool improvements and a better price in R2! ;)
Yup, it really is quite expensive and as much as I'd love to get a 60% keyboard with this layout I really don't know if I can justify paying that much. Is there any reason why this is so expensive? Am I missing something?
Everything is being manufactured in the US, as well as it being a collaboration. Making the price bump up slightly so we both can receive decent profit for our hard work. Hope this clarifies any confusion.
Edit: As well as fast lead times and genuine cherry stabs. Most people include rattley knock offs.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:45:17
I'm in... also grabbing this case:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-frosted-acrylic-mechanical-keyboard-case (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-frosted-acrylic-mechanical-keyboard-case)
wish me luck!
That case is way too cool and cheap too.
Post by: Eturior on Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:46:01
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:48:14
Joined the group buy! Really excited, as this will be my first custom board :) Couldn't pass this one as it is so versatile. ISO, arrow keys and split space in one 60%? Count me in :P
Hehe I'm excited, so many people posting this will be their first custom. I feel honored, thanks for joining.
Post by: SNReloaded on Thu, 01 June 2017, 15:33:05
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Post by: tinyprawn on Thu, 01 June 2017, 15:45:27
Everything is being manufactured in the US, as well as it being a collaboration. Making the price bump up slightly so we both can receive decent profit for our hard work. Hope this clarifies any confusion.
Edit: As well as fast lead times and genuine cherry stabs. Most people include rattley knock offs.
Do you mind sharing the manufacturer info? I've been using DirtyPCBs and they're okay but I blow 1/2the total cost on shipping. Also, think global buy local and all that.
Post by: Arhipio on Thu, 01 June 2017, 15:53:27
Hey just curious if that keycap set will be happening for this keyboard. I was very excited for that set.
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A little later, we'll host a separate gb for it :D. We still need to get samples from xda.
Post by: SNReloaded on Thu, 01 June 2017, 16:01:07
Okay sure thing. I'll use my blanks in the meantimeHey just curious if that keycap set will be happening for this keyboard. I was very excited for that set.
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A little later, we'll host a separate gb for it :D. We still need to get samples from xda.
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Post by: ChitownM2 on Thu, 01 June 2017, 18:06:48
Hey just curious if that keycap set will be happening for this keyboard. I was very excited for that set.
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A little later, we'll host a separate gb for it :D. We still need to get samples from xda.
Wil you be running the pcb and plate again when the keycaps happen? Carbon, yuri, k type, etc have made find a little short right now.
Post by: vim_commando on Thu, 01 June 2017, 23:30:42
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 02 June 2017, 00:43:49
Hey just curious if that keycap set will be happening for this keyboard. I was very excited for that set.
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A little later, we'll host a separate gb for it :D. We still need to get samples from xda.
We'll have extras available :D
Wil you be running the pcb and plate again when the keycaps happen? Carbon, yuri, k type, etc have made find a little short right now.
Post by: iFreilicht on Fri, 02 June 2017, 08:28:57
Post by: evangs on Fri, 02 June 2017, 08:31:29
Are there any components on the top side of the PCB? I'd like to print a 5mm thick plate for this thing.
All components are on the underside.
Post by: iFreilicht on Fri, 02 June 2017, 08:36:38
Are there any components on the top side of the PCB? I'd like to print a 5mm thick plate for this thing.
All components are on the underside.
Awesome! Sounds like I'll be going for a barebones set then :thumb:
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 02 June 2017, 08:44:41
I'm in... also grabbing this case:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-frosted-acrylic-mechanical-keyboard-case (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-frosted-acrylic-mechanical-keyboard-case)
wish me luck!
Just curious - does a case like this do anything if there isn't any lighting? Other than being a case, that is.
Post by: kmba on Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:30:19
I'm in... also grabbing this case:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-frosted-acrylic-mechanical-keyboard-case (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-frosted-acrylic-mechanical-keyboard-case)
wish me luck!
Just curious - does a case like this do anything if there isn't any lighting? Other than being a case, that is.
No, just a cheap case.
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 02 June 2017, 10:07:44
I'm in... also grabbing this case:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-frosted-acrylic-mechanical-keyboard-case (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-frosted-acrylic-mechanical-keyboard-case)
wish me luck!
Just curious - does a case like this do anything if there isn't any lighting? Other than being a case, that is.
No, just a cheap case.
Cool, thanks! It is a good price... but think I'm going with the metal sentraq one in that case.
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 02 June 2017, 12:02:25
I'm in... also grabbing this case:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-frosted-acrylic-mechanical-keyboard-case (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-frosted-acrylic-mechanical-keyboard-case)
wish me luck!
Just curious - does a case like this do anything if there isn't any lighting? Other than being a case, that is.
No, just a cheap case.
Cool, thanks! It is a good price... but think I'm going with the metal sentraq one in that case.
Yeah, there's no underglow for this round. But you can always flip the leds on the underside for pseudo under glow ;)
Post by: kmba on Fri, 02 June 2017, 12:51:21
Post by: dr-slump on Fri, 02 June 2017, 13:27:52
I'm really glad, this keyboard became reality. Now I just need some more zealios for my fealios ;D
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 02 June 2017, 13:39:07
Flipping the LEDs.. interesting idea. Could get away with just soldering 6-8 LEDs for underglow. I never utilize in switch LEDs.. too much additional soldering for no benefit to me.
This ... is a cool idea. I don't do in switch for the same reason. But... hmm...
Post by: evangs on Fri, 02 June 2017, 14:13:18
Flipping the LEDs.. interesting idea. Could get away with just soldering 6-8 LEDs for underglow. I never utilize in switch LEDs.. too much additional soldering for no benefit to me.
This ... is a cool idea. I don't do in switch for the same reason. But... hmm...
I'm going to try it this weekend
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 02 June 2017, 20:39:55
IN!!
I'm really glad, this keyboard became reality. Now I just need some more zealios for my fealios ;D
:)
Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 03 June 2017, 09:51:46
Flipping the LEDs.. interesting idea. Could get away with just soldering 6-8 LEDs for underglow. I never utilize in switch LEDs.. too much additional soldering for no benefit to me.
This ... is a cool idea. I don't do in switch for the same reason. But... hmm...
I'm going to try it this weekend
Thanks! Now I don't have to try to figure it out... just follow in your footsteps!
Post by: Robsonj on Sat, 03 June 2017, 11:57:56
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 03 June 2017, 13:06:56
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 03 June 2017, 14:59:43
I'm in, my first custom build!
That's awesome to hear, thanks a ton :)
Post by: evangs on Sat, 03 June 2017, 15:00:28
Flipping the LEDs.. interesting idea. Could get away with just soldering 6-8 LEDs for underglow. I never utilize in switch LEDs.. too much additional soldering for no benefit to me.
This ... is a cool idea. I don't do in switch for the same reason. But... hmm...
I'm going to try it this weekend
Thanks! Now I don't have to try to figure it out... just follow in your footsteps!
http://imgur.com/a/heZ8Q
ok, so it's super easy. install the underglow leds FIRST. I did this on an already assembled board and had to desolder some switches to put the leds in. put the leds in from the bottom obviously. trim the leds as close as you can get them. there is a tiny bit of room under the switch but not a lot so they need to be nearly flush otherwise they will make the switch angled. solder in the leds!
Post by: Auk on Sat, 03 June 2017, 15:19:37
I know it's probably not top priority of the desired features for those that don't play games, but do these community built projects generally include support for high polling rates and low latency input? The Deskthority wiki page for Easy AVR (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Easy_AVR_USB_Keyboard_Firmware) lists 1000hz polling rate under features and also lists ATmega32U4 amongst the supported hardware.
I'll ask evan if this is just a standard feature of an atmega 32u4 then it's probably supported. But I'll double check
If I missed a reply earlier in the thread, my apologies, but is there confirmation either way on this?
Hey just curious if that keycap set will be happening for this keyboard. I was very excited for that set.
Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
A little later, we'll host a separate gb for it :D. We still need to get samples from xda.
When the GB for the keys is running, will it be for the keys alone or might there be a second chance to buy the PCB kit again? Thanks!
Post by: evangs on Sat, 03 June 2017, 17:08:03
I know it's probably not top priority of the desired features for those that don't play games, but do these community built projects generally include support for high polling rates and low latency input? The Deskthority wiki page for Easy AVR (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Easy_AVR_USB_Keyboard_Firmware) lists 1000hz polling rate under features and also lists ATmega32U4 amongst the supported hardware.
I'll ask evan if this is just a standard feature of an atmega 32u4 then it's probably supported. But I'll double check
If I missed a reply earlier in the thread, my apologies, but is there confirmation either way on this?Hey just curious if that keycap set will be happening for this keyboard. I was very excited for that set.
Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
A little later, we'll host a separate gb for it :D. We still need to get samples from xda.
When the GB for the keys is running, will it be for the keys alone or might there be a second chance to buy the PCB kit again? Thanks!
The polling interval can be changed in TMK.
Post by: Auk on Sat, 03 June 2017, 17:45:50
The polling interval can be changed in TMK.
Well that's excellent, and also terrible, because now I have to find some dough to buy one :)
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 03 June 2017, 20:59:48
The polling interval can be changed in TMK.
Well that's excellent, and also terrible, because now I have to find some dough to buy one :)
Always the issue with this hobby XD
Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 03 June 2017, 21:52:18
Flipping the LEDs.. interesting idea. Could get away with just soldering 6-8 LEDs for underglow. I never utilize in switch LEDs.. too much additional soldering for no benefit to me.
This ... is a cool idea. I don't do in switch for the same reason. But... hmm...
I'm going to try it this weekend
Thanks! Now I don't have to try to figure it out... just follow in your footsteps!
http://imgur.com/a/heZ8Q
ok, so it's super easy. install the underglow leds FIRST. I did this on an already assembled board and had to desolder some switches to put the leds in. put the leds in from the bottom obviously. trim the leds as close as you can get them. there is a tiny bit of room under the switch but not a lot so they need to be nearly flush otherwise they will make the switch angled. solder in the leds!
Thanks! I got that cheap acrylic case off of MD, and I'll get this when I get paid, and then to wait for a really cool keyboard!