[IC] Leeku Eagle/Viper PCB (ISO+ANSI) + plate [PROJECT CANCELLED]

[azhdar]

Gauging interest on this,
Leeku made pcb to fit on viper/eagle case, with the approbation of Duck. As much as Duck designs are fantastic, his pcb software are subpar compared to other makers. Leeku jigon is one of the best I worked with.
The same way that viper pcb was an eagle pcb on which you break the corner, it will be, it will be 2 different pcbs


Stainless steel plate with cutouts to remove switches.
The price of plate + pcb should be around 80$ before being send to you. Both viper and eagle plate offered.

MOQ of 25 for pcb, plate moq is lower, so PCB orders only will be a possibility.

2-3months to design pcb and produce.

No case will be offered.

Why you want this:
- a pcb easier to work on for your Eagle/Viper,
- ISO viper/eagle,
- replacement pcb for your Eagle/Viper,
- more bottom row possibility



Show me your interest in here, but it is very likely I'll make it happens on my own.

PCB color TBD (I'll take your input).

Bottomside RGB avalaible for extra $$
Same goes for presoldering (resistor and leds).

Layout possibility (remove the keys in the bottom corners for Viper  )

[Karura]

If you're getting the Viper ones made, can an Eagle one also be made too?

This would be super easy to accomplish, as Duck also made a single PCB for the Eagle, and then broke off two corners to convert it into a Viper PCB.

[azhdar]

If you're getting the Viper ones made, can an Eagle one also be made too?

This would be super easy to accomplish, as Duck also made a single PCB for the Eagle, and then broke off two corners to convert it into a Viper PCB.

This is looked into, it might affect the plate MOQ as 2 different plates will be necessary.

[quochung1989]

It 's support ANSI?

[azhdar]

It 's support ANSI?

Yes both ANSI and ISO.

[quochung1989]

Oh good. What material of plates? SS/Aluminum or others?

[Karura]

If you're getting the Viper ones made, can an Eagle one also be made too?

This would be super easy to accomplish, as Duck also made a single PCB for the Eagle, and then broke off two corners to convert it into a Viper PCB.

This is looked into, it might affect the plate MOQ as 2 different plates will be necessary.

Regardless of the plate, have the PCB designed to support both the Eagle and Viper.

Most likely, someone can re-use their original Duck plate, or have a new one made.

[jorgenslee]

Will the side LED be supported? I'm curious if Leeku PCB can support RGB led, that would be awesome.

[Lurch]

Will this support all possible layouts on the Viper? Split backspace, short right shift, etc.

A black pcb would be awesome.

[azhdar]

Oh good. What material of plates? SS/Aluminum or others?

Will the side LED be supported? I'm curious if Leeku PCB can support RGB led, that would be awesome.

I'll get you the answers to that asap.

Will this support all possible layouts on the Viper? Split backspace, short right shift, etc.

A black pcb would be awesome.

Using Sethk_ image showing the layout possible on a mx3000:


All the layouts possible on eagle/viper :



should be possible on a leeku pcb and even more, 6u spacebar and split spacebar. I'll get more precise info asap.

[FreeChemicals]

You are right, I want this. Possibly Alp/MX compatible?

[HoffmanMyster]

Is there any chance of buying just a PCB?  If I'm buying it as a secondary PCB, I wouldn't mind having one plate mount and one PCB mount; this would also cut down on costs for the second PCB.

[azhdar]

Will the side LED be supported? I'm curious if Leeku PCB can support RGB led, that would be awesome.

I will be for additional money, but I don't really see the point on a duck case.


I'm updating the OP right now with the possible layouts, I just edited the finger L3 layout possibility to a 60% because that's what it will be

I'm looking into the plate situation, not too sure how the MOQ works on this, especially with 2 different plates (eagle/viper).

The pcb will be a breakable combo like on Eagle/Viper.

The plate will we Stainless steel with the cutouts for removable switches.

[quochung1989]

Everythings is on good way like I think. Count me in.
Waiting to hear more details about bottomside RGB 

[tribade]

I'm in!  I have a bum pcb for a viper and haven't been able to get a new one yet so this is perfect 

[trenzafeeds]

Interested, would love a white pcb.

[trees]

Have an eagle coming in, so a second PCB would be sweet.

[vivalarevolución]

Is this going to be compatible with Alps mount switches as well?  I seem to remember the Eagle being Alps compatible...

[azhdar]

You are right, I want this. Possibly Alp/MX compatible?

Is this going to be compatible with Alps mount switches as well?  I seem to remember the Eagle being Alps compatible...

Forgot to answer that, it will be mx only.

There's quite a lot of interest, I'll try to finalize the details and pricing asap.

Still taking your input on the color of the PCB

[trenzafeeds]

Is there such a thing as aftermarket cases for the eagle/viper?

[deci]

I love my Eagle so much, but I hate the pcb.

Definitely interested in this 

[elton5354]

I'll take a viper PCB.

[tuantruong]

Hi azhdar, can you add the Leeku ALPhaS L3 PCB for the Orion V1 to the insetting also? Have been looking for one. 
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=2393818&mid=board_Lsno50

[quochung1989]

You are right, I want this. Possibly Alp/MX compatible?

Is this going to be compatible with Alps mount switches as well?  I seem to remember the Eagle being Alps compatible...

Forgot to answer that, it will be mx only.

There's quite a lot of interest, I'll try to finalize the details and pricing asap.

Still taking your input on the color of the PCB

Oh great options. Should have red color. Almost people like this color

[slickmamba]

yes please

[azhdar]

Hi azhdar, can you add the Leeku ALPhaS L3 PCB for the Orion V1 to the insetting also? Have been looking for one. 
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=2393818&mid=board_Lsno50

Sry no, I'll focus on Eagle&Viper pcb and plates only.

I asked the moderation team to add a poll to determine what people are interested in the most(pcb only or added plates). pls vote when it appears

I think the pcb color will be choose by the buyers, you'll get to vote for you favorite color when you order, most popular color will be selected.

I'll add this blue color to the candidate because I find it quite sexy.

[quochung1989]

Thanks for news.
Look your pcb pic like Sprit 60% PCB 

[azhdar]

Thanks for news.
Look your pcb pic like Sprit 60% PCB 

This is a sprit pcb

[HoffmanMyster]

I asked the moderation team to add a poll to determine what people are interested in the most(pcb only or added plates). pls vote when it appears

Poll is up.    If you need anything changed, just let myself or another mod know. 

Also, voted!  )

[azhdar]

I asked the moderation team to add a poll to determine what people are interested in the most(pcb only or added plates). pls vote when it appears

Poll is up.    If you need anything changed, just let myself or another mod know. 

Also, voted!  )

That was quick! Thanks !

[quochung1989]

Voted.

[Sent]

Guess having a backup can't hurt. Voted.

[potatowire]

Does the Eagle PCB/plate combo fit the many Poker/GH60 cases out there? I missed out on the original buy, and although I've been digging into the old threads, I can't seem to find this info.

[quochung1989]

Does the Eagle PCB/plate combo fit the many Poker/GH60 cases out there? I missed out on the original buy, and although I've been digging into the old threads, I can't seem to find this info.

Should fit. It have more holes than but positions is same. I am not sure. Need times to check.

[azhdar]

Does the Eagle PCB/plate combo fit the many Poker/GH60 cases out there? I missed out on the original buy, and although I've been digging into the old threads, I can't seem to find this info.

If you compare this (the standoffs will show you the regular 60% position):




to this (a duck eagle):



You'll see that the positions aren't the same. I have no intention to make it compatible for regular 60%, this will be stricly for Eagle/viper.

Few things have been cleared:
- possibility of SMD (resistor+diodes ) soldering will be offered for extra 15$
- both Eagle & Viper plate will be made
- leeku has been given all informations necessary by Duck.

Only pricing need to be finalized on few points (shipping, precise plate & pcb prices). Plus I need to finish other keyboard related projects before starting this.

[quochung1989]

I checked with my Viper PCB with FMJ housing.
This is some pics:





You can just mount 4 holes, no more. I think it's enough reliable to use.
This is only personal idea. You should thinking to give decision.

[potatowire]

Does the Eagle PCB/plate combo fit the many Poker/GH60 cases out there? I missed out on the original buy, and although I've been digging into the old threads, I can't seem to find this info.

If you compare this (the standoffs will show you the regular 60% position):

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to this (a duck eagle):

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You'll see that the positions aren't the same. I have no intention to make it compatible for regular 60%, this will be stricly for Eagle/viper.

Few things have been cleared:
- possibility of SMD (resistor+diodes ) soldering will be offered for extra 15$
- both Eagle & Viper plate will be made
- leeku has been given all informations necessary by Duck.

Only pricing need to be finalized on few points (shipping, precise plate & pcb prices). Plus I need to finish other keyboard related projects before starting this.

Thank you for clearing it up so completely. I'm definitely not asking for Poker compatibility, but I was hoping I could build one of these, since I don't already have a case.

[potatowire]

I checked with my Viper PCB with FMJ housing.
This is some pics:

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You can just mount 4 holes, no more. I think it's enough reliable to use.
This is only personal idea. You should thinking to give decision.

Thank you for the pictures. At least I know I could make it work if I want to chance it.

[sethk_]

interested, Leeku's PCBs are a lot nicer than Ducks IMO

[azhdar]

How deal breaker would that be for you guys to have non removable switch tops?
This is still in discussion, but we might not be able to do them.

Still a few points to figure out, I hope to launch it before october.

Also we might be heading towards 2 pcb, because a pcb with so much bottom row possibility might get in the way of a breakable version.

[nguyenkimtam]

Great man ! I voted 

[quochung1989]

How deal breaker would that be for you guys to have non removable switch tops?
This is still in discussion, but we might not be able to do them.

Still a few points to figure out, I hope to launch it before october.

Also we might be heading towards 2 pcb, because a pcb with so much bottom row possibility might get in the way of a breakable version.

I love non removable switch tops. I think we should get it like Eagle/Viper plates.
Sure you should do 2 pcb because Eagle/Viper is a batch not 2 piece like other case.

[Karura]

Custom removable switch top plate is much better, but if it isn't possible, I'd take a plate over no plate.

Function over form (not like you can see it anyway, with keycaps on).

[azhdar]

Finally we will be able to provide removable switch tops.
Working on the render of plate and picture of the multiple layouts available, we will be ready to launch in a very close future.

[quochung1989]

Finally we will be able to provide removable switch tops.
Working on the render of plate and picture of the multiple layouts available, we will be ready to launch in a very close future.

Good news

[Karura]

great newS to have the Kutouts included

[apaskal]

Hi!
Very nice!
Please add Minila bottom line option with 3u (or similar short) space bar for Viper.
Fn keys around short space bar is a dream layout.
I replaced Minila's controller with teensy to do so on my keyboard.
My dream is to have Viper with short space bar!
Thanks.

[azhdar]

Hi!
Very nice!
Please add Minila bottom line option with 3u (or similar short) space bar for Viper.
Fn keys around short space bar is a dream layout.
I replaced Minila's controller with teensy to do so on my keyboard.
My dream is to have Viper with short space bar!
Thanks.

As you can see in the picture I put in the op, split spacebar should be an option for this :



But know that this is just an exemple of what leeku pcb generally offers, we're still working to see if the mounting positions of the duck/eagle case will get in the way of those possibilities.

This is one of the last points we're working on.

Also I'm not sure if I told it in the thread already but Eagle&Viper will be 2 differents PCB, too many bottom row possibilities to make one unique breakable pcb.

[apaskal]

> As you can see in the picture I put in the op, split spacebar should be an option for this

Yes, I see azhdar, thank you.
I only talking about how to split space bar right way. I do not bother much of rest keys in bottom line.
It will be nice if viper mount points allows to split 6.25u space bar with for example 2.25-2.75-1.25 layout.
For me it is much more usable for touch typing then for example 2.25-1.25-2.75 layout because of biggest key in the middle.
Thanks.

[StormyMonday]

I am very excited by the option for a split spacebar layout. 

If there is an interference issue due to a case stand-off, I would suggest that the problem could be easily resolved with a Dremel.

[Karura]

This is kinda side-tracking the GB, but just wanted to mention that if possible, I would love to see some coordination/support for the Viper PCB/plate and the SkiDatum60% case.

It would be really cool to have them be compatible, and build our very own Skidata HHKB

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74248.0

Just thought I'd mention it. I'm sure it's just a matter of making sure the holes on the case line up with the plate/PCB holes of the PCB, and making sure the PCB dimensions fit the case.

Either way, I'm quite excited about the entire GB Will get an extra plate/PCB for my Eagle, as well as a Viper set, if the case compatibility can be ensured.

[azhdar]

This is kinda side-tracking the GB, but just wanted to mention that if possible, I would love to see some coordination/support for the Viper PCB/plate and the SkiDatum60% case.

It would be really cool to have them be compatible, and build our very own Skidata HHKB

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74248.0

Just thought I'd mention it. I'm sure it's just a matter of making sure the holes on the case line up with the plate/PCB holes of the PCB, and making sure the PCB dimensions fit the case.

Either way, I'm quite excited about the entire GB Will get an extra plate/PCB for my Eagle, as well as a Viper set, if the case compatibility can be ensured.

An eagle/viper pcb doesn't share all the standoffs of a "regular 60%" but enough that the pcb should hold tight. I have a viper sitting in my living room at, I'll verify but I'm pretty sure it's the same 7 standoffs that on eagle.
If Njbair design the case with standard standoffs I don't see how it wouldn't fit in his case.

Regarding the split spacebar I'll see what I can do, but case mounting holes aren't the only problem, various holes for switch positions and switch stabilizers make the pcb look like gruyere, some holes might override some others so not everything is possible.

[azhdar]

Bottom sides RGB will be available.

[quochung1989]

Greatting !

[themagicat]

I'm interested in a viper PCB and plate

[pichu23]

Will either pcb fit a standard 60% case?
Sorry if this was asked before.

[Karura]

Will either pcb fit a standard 60% case?
Sorry if this was asked before.

It is unconfirmed, but I have requested it with the PCB designer, and it is being considered.

[pichu23]

Will either pcb fit a standard 60% case?
Sorry if this was asked before.

It is unconfirmed, but I have requested it with the PCB designer, and it is being considered.

Thanks for the reply. I hope at least a couple of screws/standoff will fit.
I'll definitely keep an eye on this thread for the response then!

[jorgenslee]

Thanks for the reply. I hope at least a couple of screws/standoff will fit.
I'll definitely keep an eye on this thread for the response then!

See this post by quochung,

I checked with my Viper PCB with FMJ housing.
This is some pics:

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You can just mount 4 holes, no more. I think it's enough reliable to use.
This is only personal idea. You should thinking to give decision.

[azhdar]

See this answer also :
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74953.msg1866578#msg1866578

We should be able to add the center hole of standard 60% case on our design.
The bottom one will not.

We're still working on the design of pcb & plate the layouts offered can be validated.

[themagicat]

Sorry, new to this forum... How do I vote?

[DanielT]

We should be able to add the center hole of standard 60% case on our design.
The bottom one will not.

This is interesting, in this case I would be interested in one PCB too. I don't have a Eagle/Viper case and getting one is close to impossible, so compatibility with a standard case is something really cool. I can live without the bottom mounting hole 

[pichu23]

We should be able to add the center hole of standard 60% case on our design.
The bottom one will not.

This is interesting, in this case I would be interested in one PCB too. I don't have a Eagle/Viper case and getting one is close to impossible, so compatibility with a standard case is something really cool. I can live without the bottom mounting hole 

Me too! I've got a vortex case lying around... unused.. 

[Lurch]

this is exciting. really hope this comes to fruition soon.

[potatowire]

We should be able to add the center hole of standard 60% case on our design.
The bottom one will not.

This is interesting, in this case I would be interested in one PCB too. I don't have a Eagle/Viper case and getting one is close to impossible, so compatibility with a standard case is something really cool. I can live without the bottom mounting hole 

Me too! I've got a vortex case lying around... unused.. 

I would insta-buy a Poker-compatible Eagle PCB and plate.

[StormyMonday]

We should be able to add the center hole of standard 60% case on our design.
The bottom one will not.

This is interesting, in this case I would be interested in one PCB too. I don't have a Eagle/Viper case and getting one is close to impossible, so compatibility with a standard case is something really cool. I can live without the bottom mounting hole 

Me too! I've got a vortex case lying around... unused.. 

I would insta-buy a Poker-compatible Eagle PCB and plate.

That's a given. The real question, is whether to buy one set, or two! 

[potatowire]

We should be able to add the center hole of standard 60% case on our design.
The bottom one will not.

This is interesting, in this case I would be interested in one PCB too. I don't have a Eagle/Viper case and getting one is close to impossible, so compatibility with a standard case is something really cool. I can live without the bottom mounting hole 

Me too! I've got a vortex case lying around... unused.. 

I would insta-buy a Poker-compatible Eagle PCB and plate.

That's a given. The real question, is whether to buy one set, or two! 

I'm leaning towards two...

[azhdar]

Thanks for the support guys, it is still being worked.

Making a plate to support all the various layouts and yet include duck standoffs + regular 60% standoffs is tricky.

Can't launch before we figure this out.

[pichu23]

Thanks for the support guys, it is still being worked.

Making a plate to support all the various layouts and yet include duck standoffs + regular 60% standoffs is tricky.

Can't launch before we figure this out.

Yeah, no worries. Cheers man for doing this.
Take your time. 

[potatowire]

Thanks for the support guys, it is still being worked.

Making a plate to support all the various layouts and yet include duck standoffs + regular 60% standoffs is tricky.

Can't launch before we figure this out.

Yeah, no worries. Cheers man for doing this.
Take your time. 

Agreed!

[themagicat]

When do you anticipate this to be shipped?

[azhdar]

When do you anticipate this to be shipped?

Considering the 2-3months of design/production that will be done as soon as the GB is launched I think early 2016 is the most realistic ETA (since december will probably a hard time to ship/work).

[azhdar]

This is still worked on, sadly Leeku is very busy lately and has no time to work on it at the moment.

So yeah more delays 
Anyway it's something that will happen, I have a viper on the way, and may I be damned if I ever use it in ANSI  )


Layout that SHOULD be available (changes may occur, we want to offer a way to split the 7u spacebar too) :

Green ones are for the viper.


The pcbs will be named Vulture for the Eagle Replica and Cobra for the Viper Replica.

[quochung1989]

I like name "Cobra" 

[alienman82]

removed.

[pichu23]

This is still worked on, sadly Leeku is very busy lately and has no time to work on it at the moment.

So yeah more delays 
Anyway it's something that will happen, I have a viper on the way, and may I be damned if I ever use it in ANSI  )


Layout that SHOULD be available (changes may occur, we want to offer a way to split the 7u spacebar too) :

Show Image

Green ones are for the viper.


The pcbs will be named Vulture for the Eagle Replica and Cobra for the Viper Replica.

Nicely done!
I'll most prob get the Vulture. I don't have a proper case for the Cobra and I'm afraid it might look weird having gaps at the corner.  :-\

[ideus]

It does not make sense to offer the "Cobra" with no case; because, there is no HHKB style cases available, but GON's and Sprit's, the first is very expensive, and the second is not available now, and both works with their own PCBs, they do not required an special one. Some may want to install it in regular 60% cases, but the corners should be filled with addons that will not look good, defeating the overall purpose of a HHKB style PCB that is mainly to look like an actual HHKB.

Maybe as an spare part for those that already owned a Viper, but that's it.

[pichu23]

It does not make sense to offer the "Cobra" with no case; because, there is no HHKB style cases available, but GON's and Sprit's, the first is very expensive, and the second is not available now. Some may want to install it in regular 60% cases, but the corners should be filled with addons that will not look good, defeating the overall purpose of a HHKB style PCB that is mainly to look like an actual HHKB.

Maybe as an spare part for those that already owned a Viper, but that's it.

Yeah, that was my main concern. Oh wells, the "Eagle" isn't that bad either tbh. 

[azhdar]

The Cobra is made to get into a duck Viper case, we don't plan to have standard 60% standoffs on the Cobra.

For HHKB style that are offered by GON and Winkeyless.kr AFAIK it's a standard 60% without corners removed, so the Vulture would work for it.
I don't know how the Srit's one is designed.

[pichu23]

The Cobra is made to get into a duck Viper case, we don't plan to have standard 60% standoffs on the Cobra.

For HHKB style that are offered by GON and Winkeyless.kr AFAIK it's a standard 60% without corners removed, so the Vulture would work for it.
I don't know how the Srit's one is designed.

So if I were to get the hhkb layout case from winkeyless, it would fit this pcb then? I'm talking bout the Cobra 

[quochung1989]

The Cobra is made to get into a duck Viper case, we don't plan to have standard 60% standoffs on the Cobra.

For HHKB style that are offered by GON and Winkeyless.kr AFAIK it's a standard 60% without corners removed, so the Vulture would work for it.
I don't know how the Srit's one is designed.

So if I were to get the hhkb layout case from winkeyless, it would fit this pcb then? I'm talking bout the Cobra 

I think it's good to use. Except some holes you can't use.
I only guess when I compare between Eagle & Viper PCB.

[azhdar]

The Cobra is made to get into a duck Viper case, we don't plan to have standard 60% standoffs on the Cobra.

For HHKB style that are offered by GON and Winkeyless.kr AFAIK it's a standard 60% without corners removed, so the Vulture would work for it.
I don't know how the Srit's one is designed.

So if I were to get the hhkb layout case from winkeyless, it would fit this pcb then? I'm talking bout the Cobra 

I just explained above that winkeyless.kr use regular 60% for his HHKB style cases. I'm not even sure a non winkeyless.kr pcb would work (I'm not certain on how it's mounted).

[ideus]

The Cobra is made to get into a duck Viper case, we don't plan to have standard 60% standoffs on the Cobra.

For HHKB style that are offered by GON and Winkeyless.kr AFAIK it's a standard 60% without corners removed, so the Vulture would work for it.
I don't know how the Srit's one is designed.

So if I were to get the hhkb layout case from winkeyless, it would fit this pcb then? I'm talking bout the Cobra 

I just explained above that winkeyless.kr use regular 60% for his HHKB style cases. I'm not even sure a non winkeyless.kr pcb would work (I'm not certain on how it's mounted).

I wrote winkeless guys some weeks ago, about the use of a GON with their sixty case and they say no. I even ask them to sell me one to try the GON Nerd60 by myself and they say no.

[zhihuichan]

The viper case is also wanted !!

[alienman82]

removed.

[azhdar]

want so bad!

So do I, leeku is very busy with this project : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76617.0
As soon as his schedule get better, we'll work on this.

[alienman82]

removed.

[KaLam1ty]

Thanks for keeping up with this project anyhow. I'm very interested in a Cobra.
I don't have a Viper case, but I plan to get a custom woodcase build to spec-wise to support it.

Probably laser cut will be the easiest. I assume you will be posting the final PCB/measurement plans when this all goes through?

[tern21]

This is still worked on, sadly Leeku is very busy lately and has no time to work on it at the moment.

So yeah more delays 
Anyway it's something that will happen, I have a viper on the way, and may I be damned if I ever use it in ANSI  )


Layout that SHOULD be available (changes may occur, we want to offer a way to split the 7u spacebar too) :

Show Image

Green ones are for the viper.


The pcbs will be named Vulture for the Eagle Replica and Cobra for the Viper Replica.

So will there be any option for having the 1u keys on the right hand side of the spacebar or is that completely out of the design?

[skaloola]

Count me in

[azhdar]

This is still worked on, sadly Leeku is very busy lately and has no time to work on it at the moment.

So yeah more delays 
Anyway it's something that will happen, I have a viper on the way, and may I be damned if I ever use it in ANSI  )


Layout that SHOULD be available (changes may occur, we want to offer a way to split the 7u spacebar too) :

Show Image

Green ones are for the viper.


The pcbs will be named Vulture for the Eagle Replica and Cobra for the Viper Replica.

So will there be any option for having the 1u keys on the right hand side of the spacebar or is that completely out of the design?

Sadly this is out of the design since it gets in the way of the duck mouting positions.

Thanks for keeping up with this project anyhow. I'm very interested in a Cobra.
I don't have a Viper case, but I plan to get a custom woodcase build to spec-wise to support it.

Probably laser cut will be the easiest. I assume you will be posting the final PCB/measurement plans when this all goes through?

The viper case is also wanted !!

As of today, there is no plan to make case, and it would have to go through Duck approval anyway.
But I will be able to give measurment in the end.

[tern21]

This is still worked on, sadly Leeku is very busy lately and has no time to work on it at the moment.

So yeah more delays 
Anyway it's something that will happen, I have a viper on the way, and may I be damned if I ever use it in ANSI  )


Layout that SHOULD be available (changes may occur, we want to offer a way to split the 7u spacebar too) :

Show Image

Green ones are for the viper.


The pcbs will be named Vulture for the Eagle Replica and Cobra for the Viper Replica.

So will there be any option for having the 1u keys on the right hand side of the spacebar or is that completely out of the design?

Sadly this is out of the design since it gets in the way of the duck mouting positions.

Thanks for keeping up with this project anyhow. I'm very interested in a Cobra.
I don't have a Viper case, but I plan to get a custom woodcase build to spec-wise to support it.

Probably laser cut will be the easiest. I assume you will be posting the final PCB/measurement plans when this all goes through?

The viper case is also wanted !!

As of today, there is no plan to make case, and it would have to go through Duck approval anyway.
But I will be able to give measurment in the end.

:( that makes me so sad, would have bought it otherwise. It is only one screw though...  :'( Is there any other PCBs that have 1u spacing there?

[alienman82]

removed.

[Frigid]

Do you know what the price point will be?

[azhdar]

Chatted with leeku the other day, he's still very busy with his compact SQ GB and other keyboard projects.
Anyway my viper is on the way and will gather dust until I can ISO it so you can be sure this is happening.

Do you know what the price point will be?

Expect it to be around 100-110$ shipped to you for a pcb+plate.

[inanis]

On the Cobra PCB/Plate, that will have a full bottom row? Not like the actual Viper? Just trying to understand how a case would work. If one does get the Cobra, would you simply be able to trim the plate/PCB to remove the unwanted area, or are those traces needed for other connectivity?

I'm interested in the Cobra, but not if I can't get a case in the style I'm after. Also, for full disclosure, there was talk about making cases in this style (and others) in my thread. In thinking about this, a drop in style case would be ideal, but of course would only work if the PCB/Plate supports it. Having a case with a top and bottom shell is not quite as simple to make happen - at least not for me.

[trenzafeeds]

If one does get the Cobra, would you simply be able to trim the plate/PCB to remove the unwanted area, or are those traces needed for other connectivity?

I think that was rather the point, seeing as the viper was the same way. Not sure though, I wouldn't be snapping mine anyways.

Also, for full disclosure, there was talk about making cases in this style (and others) in my thread. In thinking about this, a drop in style case would be ideal, but of course would only work if the PCB/Plate supports it. Having a case with a top and bottom shell is not quite as simple to make happen - at least not for me.

****ing awesome. I would totally buy one of these, no question at all.

[azhdar]

On the Cobra PCB/Plate, that will have a full bottom row? Not like the actual Viper? Just trying to understand how a case would work. If one does get the Cobra, would you simply be able to trim the plate/PCB to remove the unwanted area, or are those traces needed for other connectivity?

I'm interested in the Cobra, but not if I can't get a case in the style I'm after. Also, for full disclosure, there was talk about making cases in this style (and others) in my thread. In thinking about this, a drop in style case would be ideal, but of course would only work if the PCB/Plate supports it. Having a case with a top and bottom shell is not quite as simple to make happen - at least not for me.

This got discussed with leeku, there will be 2 differents pcb.
Viper & eagle was a single pcb because there wasn't so many bottom rows so it didn't get on the way.

For you case project it's totally doable to use a "non-cut" 60% pcb to achieve hhkb layout. The winkeyless.kr hhkb case are done like that . ( check my collection in my signature, I have one if you have never seen it).

Regarding this project no work as been put into it lately as leeku is still busy, I still plan to realise it. No timeframe sadly :x

[Hypersphere]

I just now discovered the Duck Viper. I posted an IC for someone (other than myself) starting a new GB for the kit, and I was referred to your IC for just the PCB and Plate. You option appears to be the viable one, and I am interested.

My motivation is that my favorite form factor is 60% and my favorite layout is HHKB, but I am looking for a way to accommodate switches other than just Topre into such a keyboard. In particular, I am interested in Alps (and clones, such as Matias) and the relatively new mx clone, the Purple Zealio switches.

To summarize:

Layout: HHKB with split Right Shift (1.75 + 1.00) OR Eagle/Standard 60%, but with split Right Shift (1.75 + 1.00). However, I could live with a completely standard layout with the conventional 2.75 Right Shift and 1.25 mods on the bottom row.

Switches: Alps/Matias and/or Cherry mx (Zealio)

Stabilizers: Prefer plate-mounted Costar-type, but I could work with whatever goes with the Viper/Eagle plates and PCBs.

Plate Finish: Matte black preferred, but open to other finish types.

Case Compatibility: Standard, such as TEX 60% CNC case. Would want the Alps and Cherry Plates/PCBs to be compatible.

LEDs: I would prefer not to have LEDs.

Thanks for organizing this.

[azhdar]

I just now discovered the Duck Viper. I posted an IC for someone (other than myself) starting a new GB for the kit, and I was referred to your IC for just the PCB and Plate. You option appears to be the viable one, and I am interested.

My motivation is that my favorite form factor is 60% and my favorite layout is HHKB, but I am looking for a way to accommodate switches other than just Topre into such a keyboard. In particular, I am interested in Alps (and clones, such as Matias) and the relatively new mx clone, the Purple Zealio switches.

To summarize:

Layout: HHKB with split Right Shift (1.75 + 1.00) OR Eagle/Standard 60%, but with split Right Shift (1.75 + 1.00). However, I could live with a completely standard layout with the conventional 2.75 Right Shift and 1.25 mods on the bottom row.

Switches: Alps/Matias and/or Cherry mx (Zealio)

Stabilizers: Prefer plate-mounted Costar-type, but I could work with whatever goes with the Viper/Eagle plates and PCBs.

Plate Finish: Matte black preferred, but open to other finish types.

Case Compatibility: Standard, such as TEX 60% CNC case. Would want the Alps and Cherry Plates/PCBs to be compatible.

LEDs: I would prefer not to have LEDs.

Thanks for organizing this.

Hey I read your thread about Duck Viper kit, I'm not sure what you want to achieve with this since it has been run already and Duck isn't known for his reruns.

Anyway to answers your question:

Layout : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74953.msg1897609#msg1897609

Switches: never though of Alps, I'll check with leeku if it possible I know he had mx+ALps on his 3000 pcb so it should be possible.

Stabilizers: will be cherry pcb mounted, no discussion on this point.

Plate finish: will be stainless steel plate, up to you to paint it or w/e

Case compatibily: it's being designed to have duck standoffs + standard 60% standoff to fit both type of case.

You'll find more information in the topic.


And to update people that are looking forward for this: I should have a Viper in my hands in about a week or so, I'll try my best to speed this up. And I'll repeat, this will happen.

[apaskal]

I guess I have to go with this layout

BTW I missed PCB programming/controller info. Is it teensy based?

[Hypersphere]

Still interested, especially if Alps is an option.

More interested in Viper than Eagle, but only if it is possible to source a Viper case for the true HHKB look.

[WhitePlate]

I'm interested in a PCB and Plate for a viper!

[swimmingbird]

Late but interested

[amharris]

For the folks - such as myself - who weren't a part of the community at the time of the original Viper and Eagle GBs (or would just like another opportunity to get the board again), I wonder if you'd be able to combine this venture with Duck to get a relaunch but with Leeku's PCB?

I wonder if anyone else has similar thoughts.

[azhdar]

For the folks - such as myself - who weren't a part of the community at the time of the original Viper and Eagle GBs (or would just like another opportunity to get the board again), I wonder if you'd be able to combine this venture with Duck to get a relaunch but with Leeku's PCB?

I wonder if anyone else has similar thoughts.

I don't think that will be possible to have Viper case remade.
Pcb will be happening for sure, when is still uncertain.

[alexjd99]

For the folks - such as myself - who weren't a part of the community at the time of the original Viper and Eagle GBs (or would just like another opportunity to get the board again), I wonder if you'd be able to combine this venture with Duck to get a relaunch but with Leeku's PCB?

I wonder if anyone else has similar thoughts.

I don't think that will be possible to have Viper case remade.
Pcb will be happening for sure, when is still uncertain.

I'm sure it's possible to have the case remade in some way. Not the exact same case, but at least something aluminum with the bottom keys, wouldn't it be? I, along with probably quite a few other people, would be more willing to join if an HHKB case would be possible.

Either way, still going to join because of the PCB  )

[swimmingbird]

For the folks - such as myself - who weren't a part of the community at the time of the original Viper and Eagle GBs (or would just like another opportunity to get the board again), I wonder if you'd be able to combine this venture with Duck to get a relaunch but with Leeku's PCB?

I wonder if anyone else has similar thoughts.

I don't think that will be possible to have Viper case remade.
Pcb will be happening for sure, when is still uncertain.

I'm sure it's possible to have the case remade in some way. Not the exact same case, but at least something aluminum with the bottom keys, wouldn't it be? I, along with probably quite a few other people, would be more willing to join if an HHKB case would be possible.

Either way, still going to join because of the PCB  )

Probably so much effort to remake the base that its just better to wait for v2 next year if the Hubble MIRA project is any sign of how hard it is to get a non sandwich style board made domestically

[bocahgundul]

This could be used with hammer case right? Just like e3e board right?
I'm interested

[amharris]

For the folks - such as myself - who weren't a part of the community at the time of the original Viper and Eagle GBs (or would just like another opportunity to get the board again), I wonder if you'd be able to combine this venture with Duck to get a relaunch but with Leeku's PCB?

I wonder if anyone else has similar thoughts.

I don't think that will be possible to have Viper case remade.
Pcb will be happening for sure, when is still uncertain.

I'm sure it's possible to have the case remade in some way. Not the exact same case, but at least something aluminum with the bottom keys, wouldn't it be? I, along with probably quite a few other people, would be more willing to join if an HHKB case would be possible.

Either way, still going to join because of the PCB  )

Indeed; and if everything was Libre,  this would be infinitely easier.
Well, one could always aim to make an improvement on the originals.

[db268]

Still interested, especially if Alps is an option.

More interested in Viper than Eagle, but only if it is possible to source a Viper case for the true HHKB look.

I would be interested in 2 PCBs if it supports Alps switches. Is it confirmed yet?

[azhdar]

as of now mx only.

[livingspeedbump]

Would buy a viper set for sure.

[lootbag]

Bump for Viper PCB and plate!
I want extras for my Viper and am looking for a more intuitive keymapping software.
Using TMK with my HHKB and then going to Duck software for the Viper... not the best experience.

[FreeChemicals]

hey azhdar, could you give a short update?

[azhdar]

hey azhdar, could you give a short update?

leeku very very very busy, we're looking at spring now to start this again.

Plan is still :
- make a 60% pcb (name vulture ) with regular 60% standoffs + Duck Eagle specifics standoff so that the pcb fits nicely both type of cases,
- make a cut corner 60% pcb (named cobra) with Duck Viper standoffs,
- Stainless steel plates for both ok those pcb (no removable switch top)


 Layout we had last time we worked on it :


(green ones are for cobra).

This will happen 200%, I have a Viper at home, and it's unusable (because ANSI). One of my first keyboard dream was an Azerty Viper, and I'll make it happen.

[KaLam1ty]

Something like..

R4: [1][1.5][---2.75---][1.5][---2.75---][1.5][1]

would be so baller. Need so many SHIFT keys though 

[alienman82]

removed.

[apaskal]

Any good news?   

[Photekq]

Indeed; and if everything was Libre,  this would be infinitely easier.

No it wouldn't. The difficult part isn't the design; it's finding a good manufacturer.

[azhdar]

Things have changed, this won't happen.

[swimmingbird]

Things have changed, this won't happen.

 

[jorgenslee]

Things have changed, this won't happen.

So sad to hear that.

I hope at least we could fork a tmk firmware for viper

[pichu23]

Things have changed, this won't happen.

Rip viper dreams 

[StormyMonday]

Things have changed, this won't happen.

Damn the things ... all of them!