IF YOU ARE PART OF THIS GROUP BUY PLEASE READ
More than a reasonable amount of time has passed for Ivan to come forward and explain the situation.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.
Please send the following:
- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]
to
ivanevidence@gmail.com
The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.
If any of you are worried about sending me your personal information, please PM me and we can discuss you sending your evidence directly when the time calls for it.
whilst i think it is a good effort to try and collect some official evidence at this point
just to play devils advocate i wanna throw a few points out there
whilst the gbs have been going on for a while, it is only recently that this info of non payment of orders has come to light, and i dont think a reasonable amount of time has passed to give ivan a chance to come and explain his actions based on this new evidence
whilst ivan has had a good reputation in the past, i think its also worth noting many of his buys in the past have taken extremely long time before shipping, and in these instances i think it would also be fair to assume on previous occasions that production did not take as long as delays, he tends to ship promptly on receipt of the goods so i would think there have been previous cases of delayed payments to manufacturers
given for instance that imsto both produced, and shipped ivan the keys without contact or payment, i would again assume similar things like this have happened before, leading imsto to feel comfortable to both manufacture and ship the goods prior to receiving money, something that certainly isnt the standard for an individually run gb
im not suggesting whats going on isnt ****ed, or even will be fixed, but i think there is enough bits and pieces that aside from the lack of communication from ivan, things may be no different than normal right now for him
things look very bad, and im sure they are very bad, but i think before anything is done with the evidence collected, there needs to be a greater push for solid communication from ivan
he is a long standing member who has met several users in real life, whilst the gbs are old, the scandal is new, and the clock needs to be reset to give him a chance to reply, we are already outside of the paypal window, so a month or so before anything is done with the evidence to give what was a trusted user a chance to defend themselves and be made aware of the issues i think is reasonable
i will add i havent followed this much, so if he has been contacted or we have more updates im unaware of them when writing this post, but i think we at least need to know he is aware of the **** storm, and has consciously chosen to ignore or reply to it before we do something that could have an impact on his life in the future
he has done some things like recently shipped the other old pbt buy, which seem out of character for someone who had already decided to run off with the money from 3 gbs, it woulda cost a ton to ship and it had already been delayed long enough nobody would have thought anything of waiting another couple of months on that one
to reiterate the gathering of evidence is good, but please show good judgement on when and how it is used at least until more time has passed or we receive further info
