geekhack

geekhack Marketplace => Interest Checks => Topic started by: GhostofHarry on Sun, 06 April 2014, 06:40:52

Title: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sun, 06 April 2014, 06:40:52

Quote
GB Thread is started, please join!
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58110.0














BUNDLE ADD-ON OR NOT POLL BELOW




https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1LvpPVYn21TXHkSXMWzSX2Cxezau9GqZNAyWsF0HMshc/viewform?usp=send_form


Google Form for poll is at the bottom of this post

Taihao has replied that
They do supply ISO enter and alps doubleshot keycaps!

Add-On pack including iso and tsagan along with a 1.75 shift is set, $4 as quoted from taihao

For alps keycaps, as they have 0 stock of alps keycaps
we can request any colour as long as we have 500 MOQ
Either from the colours that they have been mass producing (Generation 1-4)
or we can submit new colours for samples (higher cost i guess)

Will update here as soon as i got more info



This IC is still for MX keycaps
Im just inquiring for alps at the same time!

If we want to do alps, we should start another IC




http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56422.0

This post is to check which colour u guys would like to have if we have a Taihao gb
As there are too many colours to choose, I would like to reduce the dilution of orders so that it will be easier for us to hit the MOQ
So try your best to choose maximum 6 colours of taihao that you would like to have from the poll
A this helps me to decide which colour we would choose to have in the gb


Please allow me to show u what colour of keycaps taihao has offered to me
Different Generation has different price!!!


First Generation
White on Red/ Green/ Blue/ Yellow/ Black
More
MOQ(When in stock) : 100          Delivery Time : 4weeks
MOQ(When out of stock) : 300    Delivery Time : 8weeks
Price: $11
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/GhostofHarry/592A8C6A6A196E964E948272.jpg)
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/GhostofHarry/Doubleinjectionkeycapretailpacking.jpg)

You may also refer to elton5354's first taihao groupbuy
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43745.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43745.0)

2nd Generation
Azure, Apple Green, Purple
More
MOQ(When in stock) : 100          Delivery Time : 4weeks
MOQ(When out of stock) : 300    Delivery Time : 4weeks
Price: $12
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/GhostofHarry/6E5B85CD8272-2.jpg)
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/GhostofHarry/860B679C7DA0-1.jpg)
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/GhostofHarry/7D2B8272-1.jpg)
(http://img03.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i3/16731204/T2BUwTXpxaXXXXXXXX-16731204.jpg)
(http://img01.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i1/16731204/T2n_cTXshaXXXXXXXX-16731204.jpg)

3rd Generation
The Whites (They only offered Black, Green and Red on white, in the 1st, 4th and 6th row)
More
MOQ(When in stock) : 100          Delivery Time : 4weeks
MOQ(When out of stock) : 300    Delivery Time : 8weeks
Price: $13.5
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/GhostofHarry/767D937554048272.jpg)
(http://img02.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i2/16731204/T2yPZYXsXXXXXXXXXX-16731204.jpg)

4th Generation
Olivette, Dolch, Granite
More
MOQ(When in stock) : 100          Delivery Time : 4weeks
MOQ(When out of stock) : 300    Delivery Time : 8weeks
Price: $14
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/GhostofHarry/6DF78272A85CD5B576DFA707093756DF170709375.jpg)
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/GhostofHarry/6DF78272B767D5B578ECD7DA093759ED19375.jpg)
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/GhostofHarry/6DF78272C767D5B577070767D937585CD9ED19375.jpg)

For all the above sets, they include basic 104 keys, as u can see from the picture.
and also a stepped capslock key (confirmed for 4th generation, need moq 500 for the first 3 generations to get stepped capslock)



Special Orders such as tsangan

Taihao replied me that we can order the following special R1 keys from them as they have these moulds
The MOQ is 500, and  the price HAS BEEN CONFIRMED

For tsangan kit, the price is $2.5 with moq 500, including 2* 1.5x ctrl, 2* 1.5x alt, 2* 1x blank key, 1* 7x spacebar


Please be reminded that these add-on keys MOQ are independent from each colours


I'm eagerly finding ppl from community that can be proxy for us....
I have not much experience in this but please inform me if u are interested .


VOTE HERE
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1XLxaHpm18ZTXXBWl5zXavRzJQPRUOgVM25CBVUgMJC0/viewform


VIEW RESULT HERE
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1XLxaHpm18ZTXXBWl5zXavRzJQPRUOgVM25CBVUgMJC0/viewanalytics
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: GhostofHarry on Mon, 07 April 2014, 20:26:07
To be edited
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 07 April 2014, 20:46:58
Dat Dolch is seeing a strong response (which is hardly surprising).
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 07 April 2014, 20:52:08
no 1.75x shift for tsang?
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: GhostofHarry on Mon, 07 April 2014, 21:29:28
no 1.75x shift for tsang?

taihao does not provide 1.75 shift as an option :(
they will only produce stuff as long as they have the mold
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 07 April 2014, 22:23:16
Is this the same poll that was in the first thread about these, or should I vote again?
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: GhostofHarry on Mon, 07 April 2014, 22:33:18
Is this the same poll that was in the first thread about these, or should I vote again?

its the same

i took MOZ's suggestions and separate the poll with the original post

so you do not have to vote again if u have done it in the previous post
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: morpheus on Tue, 08 April 2014, 11:52:44
Loving the 3rd and 4th gen. I really hope this GB goes live.
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: ideus on Tue, 08 April 2014, 11:54:25
A low cost Dolch set? Of course.
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 08 April 2014, 11:55:17
Can we get an Alps keycap set or is this MX only?
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 08 April 2014, 11:55:19
Any option for alps too?


edit:
Can we get an Alps keycap set or is this MX only?

...................

how
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: GhostofHarry on Tue, 08 April 2014, 13:55:20
Can we get an Alps keycap set or is this MX only?

i will ask if they got alps keycaps

but the above are for mx only
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: McWilloughby on Tue, 08 April 2014, 14:18:50
Is there any chance they'd be able to provide an ISO kit option as well? Even without language specific keys (so it'd only need 2 1x blanks, a 1.25x shift and the ISO enter) it would make the set far more attractive to the EU people on the forum.. Surely there must be as many if not more people wanting an ISO kit than tsangan?
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 08 April 2014, 15:00:09
Will these sets come with a 6.25x spacebar? or only 6.2x like the last GB?
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: GhostofHarry on Tue, 08 April 2014, 15:37:20
Is there any chance they'd be able to provide an ISO kit option as well? Even without language specific keys (so it'd only need 2 1x blanks, a 1.25x shift and the ISO enter) it would make the set far more attractive to the EU people on the forum.. Surely there must be as many if not more people wanting an ISO kit than tsangan?

i will ask them for iso kit tmr, but i dont really think they provides it

btw, can u tell me more details about it, like the rows of the keys so i can provide more info for the sales too
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: GhostofHarry on Tue, 08 April 2014, 15:38:42
Will these sets come with a 6.25x spacebar? or only 6.2x like the last GB?


6.25 space.

what u will get is the keycaps from the 4th generation that i have shown u, only with different colours.

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 08 April 2014, 15:44:23
Dat cheap Dolch set.

The shape of the windows logo is bugging me though...
Title: Re: [IC][POLL] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check
Post by: McWilloughby on Tue, 08 April 2014, 16:02:39
i will ask them for iso kit tmr, but i dont really think they provides it

btw, can u tell me more details about it, like the rows of the keys so i can provide more info for the sales too

Yeah I don't think they do the enter but it can't hurt to ask. Also if they were to get the mould made like they did with the 6.25x spacebar for the last group buy, surely it could only help them get more sales in the future?

The ISO kit would require a 1.25x shift key in row 1 profile, the same as zxcv (the TaiHao bottom row is a different profile to other OEM bottom rows and so isn't suitable for the zxcv row) as well as a 1x row 1 blank (same as any other 1x on the zxcv row) and a 1x row 2 key (same as asdf row keys).
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: Razor Lotus on Tue, 08 April 2014, 16:19:03
sad that there will be no 1.75 rshift :(
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: moogle on Tue, 08 April 2014, 16:22:36
:eek: 4th generation :eek:
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 08 April 2014, 21:10:34
What's stopping someone from voting multiple times?
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 08 April 2014, 21:13:38
What's stopping someone from voting multiple times?

Good question.  I was wondering the same thing.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 08 April 2014, 21:14:10
Curious:  If they're making some of these sets already, they must be selling them somewhere.

And I assume it's not just to random people flogging them on Taobao.  I doubt there's the demand from any of those vendors to move a three-hundred-set MOQ.

This suggests somewhere in China, there are probably boards being sold STOCK with Dolch-style caps.  This intrigues me.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 08 April 2014, 22:36:02
What's stopping someone from voting multiple times?

Honesty?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: Kfactork on Tue, 08 April 2014, 22:56:58
What's stopping someone from voting multiple times?

Honesty?
Honestly?
;)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: Techno Trousers on Tue, 08 April 2014, 23:11:04
There wouldn't be much point to "stuffing the ballot box" on a poll like this. Unless you're willing to order as many sets as times you are voting, then getting a particular set up for GB that ultimately doesn't meet MOQ isn't doing you any good.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: YongJK on Wed, 09 April 2014, 03:48:07
(http://i.imgur.com/2vAlSw7.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/mqKRZmL.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/HXiZB6d.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/HJohVzj.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 09 April 2014, 03:59:20
What's stopping someone from voting multiple times?

Honesty?
Honestly?
;)

There was a previous GB that did this during the poll.

The OP noticed that the numbers were off and some people voted multiple times.

He had to restart the poll.

He then made it so you had to include your gh name.

He could then check the list for dupes.

The only problem us it doesn't stop people from creating a new name our using someone else's name to vote. You just hope most gh people wouldn't go through that much trouble.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: sth on Wed, 09 April 2014, 04:00:13
apple green and purple!!! MOTHER ****IN EVANGELION SUCKAZ
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 09 April 2014, 04:43:09
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2vAlSw7.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/mqKRZmL.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/HXiZB6d.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/HJohVzj.jpg)


That blue.  Really nice color :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: genkidama on Wed, 09 April 2014, 06:39:34
i will ask them for iso kit tmr, but i dont really think they provides it

btw, can u tell me more details about it, like the rows of the keys so i can provide more info for the sales too

Yeah I don't think they do the enter but it can't hurt to ask. Also if they were to get the mould made like they did with the 6.25x spacebar for the last group buy, surely it could only help them get more sales in the future?

The ISO kit would require a 1.25x shift key in row 1 profile, the same as zxcv (the TaiHao bottom row is a different profile to other OEM bottom rows and so isn't suitable for the zxcv row) as well as a 1x row 1 blank (same as any other 1x on the zxcv row) and a 1x row 2 key (same as asdf row keys).

I'm also hoping that there will be an ISO Kit as I'm totally interested in this!!
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: Harrowed on Wed, 09 April 2014, 07:09:07
I'm also hoping that there will be an ISO Kit as I'm totally interested in this!!
Yeah, would be great. But let's see what happens  ;)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: Razor Lotus on Wed, 09 April 2014, 08:37:43
so when can we start ordering this?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: GhostofHarry on Wed, 09 April 2014, 09:31:22
well i have thought about requiring GH ID for the poll
but then, if they uses secondary account, or uses other's ID
i wouldnt even know about it.
so ultimately, if someone wanted to cheat, i couldnt stop them still

i do not think this IC worth spamming votes as we can simply get the other colours next round .
while i think members from this community is mature enough to control themselves.


i may wait for 1 week or so before i finished communicating with taihao about the details
and try my best to offer as much choices as possible in the GB, including the tsangans and iso kits



Also, it is quite funny that taihao asked me where im gonna sell the keycaps after the inquiries...:))
as some vendors from china report to them that some other vendors are selling those keycaps too cheap, affecting the profit of the rest of them

also, they told me that the delivery of keycaps is now around may or even after june as their orders are full
maybe they are trying to lure me to place my order sooner
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: GhostofHarry on Wed, 09 April 2014, 09:32:45
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2vAlSw7.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/mqKRZmL.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/HXiZB6d.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/HJohVzj.jpg)


大馬豪 thx for your wonderful photoes :))
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: Razor Lotus on Wed, 09 April 2014, 13:13:41
well i have thought about requiring GH ID for the poll
but then, if they uses secondary account, or uses other's ID
i wouldnt even know about it.
so ultimately, if someone wanted to cheat, i couldnt stop them still

i do not think this IC worth spamming votes as we can simply get the other colours next round .
while i think members from this community is mature enough to control themselves.


i may wait for 1 week or so before i finished communicating with taihao about the details
and try my best to offer as much choices as possible in the GB, including the tsangans and iso kits



Also, it is quite funny that taihao asked me where im gonna sell the keycaps after the inquiries...:))
as some vendors from china report to them that some other vendors are selling those keycaps too cheap, affecting the profit of the rest of them

also, they told me that the delivery of keycaps is now around may or even after june as their orders are full
maybe they are trying to lure me to place my order sooner

is the windows key going to look like that?

Looks abit ugly though :(
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: quake4mhg on Wed, 09 April 2014, 15:11:50
Great IC!!!
I would like to confirm that the 3rd Gen "Green, Red, black color" are the same as previous Tai Hao Elton groupbuy?
So we can do color inverse white mix :D
And could you explain more about "1st, 4th and 6th row"? Thanks.

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 09 April 2014, 15:13:22
Great IC!!!
I would like to confirm that the 3rd Gen "Green, Red, black color" are the same as previous Tai Hao Elton groupbuy?
So we can do color inverse white mix :D
And could you explain more about "1st, 4th and 6th row"? Thanks.

eltons is 1st gen
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: nuclearsandwich on Wed, 09 April 2014, 15:27:28
If we can get Alps caps from Tai Hao I'd probably grab some of those as well. Pictures of the underside of shift and the spacebar so we can check stabilizer compatibility would be aces.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 09 April 2014, 15:34:06
I voted for Dolch :D Really want a set !
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: boost on Wed, 09 April 2014, 15:52:25
that dolch!
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: bazemk1979 on Wed, 09 April 2014, 16:30:52
I hope sets will include Tsangan and stepped Caps Lock, submited  vote
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: RaVNzCRoFT on Wed, 09 April 2014, 17:21:56
Dolch for sure!  It's ABS but hell, for that price I'd definitely take it.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: GhostofHarry on Wed, 09 April 2014, 18:57:48
Great IC!!!
I would like to confirm that the 3rd Gen "Green, Red, black color" are the same as previous Tai Hao Elton groupbuy?
So we can do color inverse white mix :D
And could you explain more about "1st, 4th and 6th row"? Thanks.
Yes  you are right!
They are just the inverse of the 1st generation


And for ur second question
U can see from the first photo of the 3rd generation
There's a photo with all the inverse of colours
I'm talking about the rows there
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: quake4mhg on Wed, 09 April 2014, 20:52:31
Great IC!!!
I would like to confirm that the 3rd Gen "Green, Red, black color" are the same as previous Tai Hao Elton groupbuy?
So we can do color inverse white mix :D
And could you explain more about "1st, 4th and 6th row"? Thanks.
Yes  you are right!
They are just the inverse of the 1st generation


And for ur second question
U can see from the first photo of the 3rd generation
There's a photo with all the inverse of colours
I'm talking about the rows there

Regarding to the rows in white, why not the whole set in white?  :'(
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 10 April 2014, 00:19:35
Great IC!!!
I would like to confirm that the 3rd Gen "Green, Red, black color" are the same as previous Tai Hao Elton groupbuy?
So we can do color inverse white mix :D
And could you explain more about "1st, 4th and 6th row"? Thanks.
Yes  you are right!
They are just the inverse of the 1st generation


And for ur second question
U can see from the first photo of the 3rd generation
There's a photo with all the inverse of colours
I'm talking about the rows there

Regarding to the rows in white, why not the whole set in white?  :'(

well.. i have no idea either
taihao only offered keycaps that i have stated.

if we have request and with enough moq, GH should be able ask for new colours from taihao
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 10 April 2014, 00:33:47
wow

taihao do have iso enter and doubleshot alps keycaps!

now waiting for the picture of the iso enter ( and info of alsps keycaps)
will update here asap
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check[&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;
Post by: Techno Trousers on Thu, 10 April 2014, 01:19:16
Regarding to the rows in white, why not the whole set in white?  :'(

I'm pretty sure it is a complete set. I think the other keys may be stacked below the ones we see in each row. See the picture of the keyboard outfitted with them below the "rows" picture?
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check[&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 10 April 2014, 01:21:57
Regarding to the rows in white, why not the whole set in white?  :'(

I'm pretty sure it is a complete set. I think the other keys may be stacked below the ones we see in each row. See the picture of the keyboard outfitted with them below the "rows" picture?

o.. seems u got quake4mhg more accurate than i do

yes they do provides a whole set, its just a sample of the colours from a row of the sets
and my rows are regarding to the colour but not the number of keys
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check[>>>POLL<<<] (UPDATED 10-4)
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 10 April 2014, 01:57:59
Although the sets are pretty cool to begin with, the bigger news here is ALPS.

There are no good options for new ALPS caps, and hunting down bits and pieces from old boards get frustrating fast.  You see a lot of wishing and complaining for group buys, and they rarely, if ever, succeed.  This is a very feasible product.  In fact, I think it could be better than the possibility of going a SP group buy because Tai Hao's limited offerings will keep the choices limited.

However, I worry it could go horribly wrong-- too many choices would lead to big problems.  Either nothing comes close enough to MOQ, or the group ends up having to buy a bunch of unwanted sets to meet MOQ, raising the price per unit.

Here's a thought-- a "rolling group buy".

We do one poll to decide two or three of the most popular colours, then do a group buy on them.  This focuses everyone on a small number of choices, and increases the odds of hitting MOQ.

Then in a couple months, we do it again-- new vote, new GB.  If demand for a colour scheme is satisfied in the first round, then it won't win the second round poll, letting people who wanted a different colour scheme get their day.  Conversely, if it turns out that some schemes are "perenniallly popular", they'll appear cycle after cycle.  Geekhackers NEVER get tired of Dolch :)

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check[>>>POLL<<<] (UPDATED 10-4)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 10 April 2014, 03:59:08
Although the sets are pretty cool to begin with, the bigger news here is ALPS.

There are no good options for new ALPS caps, and hunting down bits and pieces from old boards get frustrating fast.  You see a lot of wishing and complaining for group buys, and they rarely, if ever, succeed.  This is a very feasible product.  In fact, I think it could be better than the possibility of going a SP group buy because Tai Hao's limited offerings will keep the choices limited.

However, I worry it could go horribly wrong-- too many choices would lead to big problems.  Either nothing comes close enough to MOQ, or the group ends up having to buy a bunch of unwanted sets to meet MOQ, raising the price per unit.

Here's a thought-- a "rolling group buy".

We do one poll to decide two or three of the most popular colours, then do a group buy on them.  This focuses everyone on a small number of choices, and increases the odds of hitting MOQ.

Then in a couple months, we do it again-- new vote, new GB.  If demand for a colour scheme is satisfied in the first round, then it won't win the second round poll, letting people who wanted a different colour scheme get their day.  Conversely, if it turns out that some schemes are "perenniallly popular", they'll appear cycle after cycle.  Geekhackers NEVER get tired of Dolch :)

This is a good plan, similar to what berserkfan had discussed with me

The main problem is that, throughout these series of GB, the GB starter would be exhausted in cycles of processing orders and shipments.

What berserkfan had suggested was to involve a vendor which can provide services of sorting and shipping after GH volunteers have taken the orders and money from the community
We give vendor MOQ(so he can get products with relatively less MOQ hence higher flow of product for his shop), and some service charge (like $1 per set?)
while vendor do the hard work, collecting product, sorting, shipping.
Chinese vendors are favourable due to low manpower cost and as larger amount of products produced in china, it lowers the shipping cost from factory to the transit point that sorts our order


back to the alps keycaps

Taihao said that the colours of alps are more likely to be those of Cherry MX ones,
What they replied is that, those colours(generation 1-4) are the colours under mass production, and they offer lower price

If we hand in new designs to them, they will try to work out a sample and will start producing after confirmation


still waiting for the iso enter picture though
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check[>>>POLL<<<] (UPDATED 10-4)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 10 April 2014, 04:00:18
Although the sets are pretty cool to begin with, the bigger news here is ALPS.

There are no good options for new ALPS caps, and hunting down bits and pieces from old boards get frustrating fast.  You see a lot of wishing and complaining for group buys, and they rarely, if ever, succeed.  This is a very feasible product.  In fact, I think it could be better than the possibility of going a SP group buy because Tai Hao's limited offerings will keep the choices limited.

However, I worry it could go horribly wrong-- too many choices would lead to big problems.  Either nothing comes close enough to MOQ, or the group ends up having to buy a bunch of unwanted sets to meet MOQ, raising the price per unit.

Here's a thought-- a "rolling group buy".

We do one poll to decide two or three of the most popular colours, then do a group buy on them.  This focuses everyone on a small number of choices, and increases the odds of hitting MOQ.

Then in a couple months, we do it again-- new vote, new GB.  If demand for a colour scheme is satisfied in the first round, then it won't win the second round poll, letting people who wanted a different colour scheme get their day.  Conversely, if it turns out that some schemes are "perenniallly popular", they'll appear cycle after cycle.  Geekhackers NEVER get tired of Dolch :)

This is a good plan, similar to what berserkfan had discussed with me

The main problem of this cycle of GBs is that, through these series of GB, the GB starter would be exhausted in cycles of processing orders and shipments, and would end up quit holding GBs.

What berserkfan had suggested was to involve a vendor which can provide services of sorting and shipping after GH volunteers have taken the orders and money from the community
We give vendor MOQ(so he can get products with relatively less MOQ hence higher flow of product for his shop), and some service charge (like $1 per set?)
while vendor do the hard work, collecting product, sorting, shipping.
Chinese vendors are favourable due to low manpower cost and as larger amount of products produced in china, it lowers the shipping cost from factory to the transit point that sorts our order


back to the alps keycaps

Taihao said that the colours of alps are more likely to be those of Cherry MX ones,
What they replied is that, those colours(generation 1-4) are the colours under mass production, and they offer lower price

If we hand in new designs to them, they will try to work out a sample and will start producing after confirmation


still waiting for the iso enter picture though
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: McWilloughby on Thu, 10 April 2014, 04:06:59
now waiting for the picture of the iso enter ( and info of alsps keycaps)

Awesome :) just to clarify, this isn't switching over to a purely alps GB right? There's still going to be MX keycaps available?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 10 April 2014, 04:28:04
now waiting for the picture of the iso enter ( and info of alsps keycaps)

Awesome :) just to clarify, this isn't switching over to a purely alps GB right? There's still going to be MX keycaps available?


we are ordering MX

im just trying to ask for as much info as possible from taihao for everyone here
if ppl are interested in alps we can do it next round

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: pasph on Thu, 10 April 2014, 05:14:53
Alps FTW
They also have the short (1,25u) left ISO shift?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: genkidama on Thu, 10 April 2014, 05:20:43
Oh god this starts to get very interesting. Hopefully the ISO Enter is right and we can get an ISO Kit. I'll keep a close eye on this!
Is there a lower price available if we hit MOQ 500 or does it stay the same with the two MOQs you have given in the first post?
How about ordering 2 Sets, do I need to pay the transportation fee for both or just once as they ship to the same place? I get that the tax for the sets will be paid for both respectively.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 10 April 2014, 07:55:32
Oh god this starts to get very interesting. Hopefully the ISO Enter is right and we can get an ISO Kit. I'll keep a close eye on this!
Is there a lower price available if we hit MOQ 500 or does it stay the same with the two MOQs you have given in the first post?
How about ordering 2 Sets, do I need to pay the transportation fee for both or just once as they ship to the same place? I get that the tax for the sets will be paid for both respectively.

we could have discount for every 1k set we ordered (i think she is talking about a full set rather than tsangan or iso kit)
this is what the sales offered me :)

MOQ of a set that  they have been mass producing and in stock is 100
MOQ of a set that  they have been mass producing and out of stock is 300
MOQ of any new production (for example: new colour sets, tsangan, iso, stepped capslock of generation 1-3) is  500

For shipping, I am still worrying about this....
Im seeking help from chinese vendors to see if they can provide manpower to help with the GB(we add like $1 per set for service charge of them)
but as taihao replied me that their factory are in TW and transfering to china do not help us lowering the ultimate price due to import tax and shipping cost
not to mention about the difficulty to find a trustworthy vendor(its great pressure to handle everyone's money)
i am still thinking about any possible ways for me to ship things to ppl all around the world

so until i have confirmed about the shipping method, i cannot guarantee u about the transport fee
but i promise i will try my best to lower the part of this cost as much as possible ;)




Alps FTW
They also have the short (1,25u) left ISO shift?

inquiring
but if they got iso enter, i think 1.25 shift will not be a big problem ;)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: quake4mhg on Thu, 10 April 2014, 12:35:18
Thanks guys for the replies. voted :D
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 10 April 2014, 12:39:52
I'd be very interested in a round of Alps keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: keymaster on Thu, 10 April 2014, 13:59:08
Will these be OEM profile?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 10 April 2014, 14:08:21
Will these be OEM profile?

Yes. Taihao also seems to have an even higher bottom row profile too.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 10 April 2014, 14:08:58
Will these be OEM profile?

I do belive so
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Thu, 10 April 2014, 19:29:32
Hey OP can you ask TH if they produce the Classic set with black legends instead of Olivetti, that's me assuming that the majority prefers the black legends instead of the blue ones.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: HairyBob on Thu, 10 April 2014, 19:42:15
Purple 4 lyfe.

(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc93/disneyguy100/purplegiraffe.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 10 April 2014, 19:44:55
Hey OP can you ask TH if they produce the Classic set with black legends instead of Olivetti, that's me assuming that the majority prefers the black legends instead of the blue ones.

Sure they can

500 MOQ
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 10 April 2014, 21:04:00
Hey OP can you ask TH if they produce the Classic set with black legends instead of Olivetti, that's me assuming that the majority prefers the black legends instead of the blue ones.

Sure they can

500 MOQ

I would like it with black or blue legends, but I really prefer the Olivetti with blue.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 10 April 2014, 22:35:40
ISO enter getto daze

[attach=1]


is the right or the left one correct?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 10 April 2014, 22:38:44
ISO enter getto

(Attachment Link)


is this correct?

(http://i.imgur.com/ShzHp.jpg)

Looks like that^
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 10 April 2014, 22:41:43
ISO enter getto

(Attachment Link)


is this correct?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ShzHp.jpg)


Looks like that^

so i think we should go for the one on the left hand side?


btw  taihao do have 1.25 shift too

and the quote for a iso kit is 0.7 USD
i think with this price, we can merge the tsangan kit and iso kit together as one single set of add-on

i think this helps the 500 MOQ
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 10 April 2014, 22:55:02
ISO enter getto

(Attachment Link)


is this correct?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ShzHp.jpg)


Looks like that^

so i think we should go for the one on the left hand side?


btw  taihao do have 1.25 shift too

and the quote for a iso kit is 0.7 USD
i think with this price, we can merge the tsangan kit and iso kit together as one single set of add-on

i think this helps the 500 MOQ

Yeah, merging them together will help with MOQ definitely. What exactly is in the ISO kit? ALso, if they have 1.25 shift you should also include that in the tsangan.

Awesome work man. Thanks for your efforts here.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 10 April 2014, 23:15:45
ISO enter getto

(Attachment Link)


is this correct?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ShzHp.jpg)


Looks like that^

so i think we should go for the one on the left hand side?


btw  taihao do have 1.25 shift too

and the quote for a iso kit is 0.7 USD
i think with this price, we can merge the tsangan kit and iso kit together as one single set of add-on

i think this helps the 500 MOQ

Yeah, merging them together will help with MOQ definitely. What exactly is in the ISO kit? ALso, if they have 1.25 shift you should also include that in the tsangan.

Awesome work man. Thanks for your efforts here.


ISO kit includes ISO enter, 1.25 shift  and 2 blank keys

I'm thinking shall we also add a 1.75 shift  into the add-on ....

So the add-on pack will now include
Tsangan kit   7x space 1.5x*2 alt and ctrl    With 1x*2 blank keys
ISO kit         ISO enter   1.25x shift   2 blank keys
Stepped capslock   
1.75 shift

And the above will be set as a add-on set beside of the normal 104 ANSI key set


What do u guys think?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 10 April 2014, 23:46:27
At the cheap price of taihao just put everything into one package to hit MOQ super easy
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: SSIPAK on Thu, 10 April 2014, 23:48:17
So its $14 for 104 Dolch keys?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 10 April 2014, 23:51:18
So its $14 for 104 Dolch keys?

Yes u are correct
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 10 April 2014, 23:57:22
At the cheap price of taihao just put everything into one package to hit MOQ super easy

U spoke my mind  ;)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: SSIPAK on Fri, 11 April 2014, 00:00:09
So its $14 for 104 Dolch keys?

Yes u are correct
Do you know how soon you will be able to start this GB? I am definitely buying more than one set!
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 11 April 2014, 00:04:42
we will hit MOQ no problem

Ive been trying to get a set. it rarely goes on classifieds, and when it does, it goes ASAP

reselling is no problem so buying more than you need is an extremely viable option
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Fri, 11 April 2014, 00:38:44
So its $14 for 104 Dolch keys?

Yes u are correct
Do you know how soon you will be able to start this GB? I am definitely buying more than one set!

I will start the GB after I get everything confirmed
Including shippings, colour we are gonna order, or keys we are gonna get in the add-on pack




we will hit MOQ no problem

Ive been trying to get a set. it rarely goes on classifieds, and when it does, it goes ASAP

reselling is no problem so buying more than you need is an extremely viable option

Yup

And I don't think I have seen any taihao with ISO and tsangan
If we are going for it     It will definitely be a good buy
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Hak Foo on Fri, 11 April 2014, 00:43:18
I agree with Pacifist's previous suggestion-- the all-inclusive pack-- main kit plus all the addons-- would probably come in near or at twenty dollars.  Cheap enough to be an impulse purchase, and comprehensive enough to eliminate any "Well, I'd buy it but it doesn't fit my 1987 model board with odd spacebar and shifts" complaints.

I could see getting two and I'm sort of trying to switch from MX back to Alps.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Fri, 11 April 2014, 00:48:29
I agree with Pacifist's previous suggestion-- the all-inclusive pack-- main kit plus all the addons-- would probably come in near or at twenty dollars.  Cheap enough to be an impulse purchase, and comprehensive enough to eliminate any "Well, I'd buy it but it doesn't fit my 1987 model board with odd spacebar and shifts" complaints.

I could see getting two and I'm sort of trying to switch from MX back to Alps.

Yup   And it reduces confusions about MOQ
Now everything has MOQ of 500
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Fri, 11 April 2014, 00:52:40
Any suggestions about the add-on pack?

Any more keys to add?

Tsangan kit   7x space 1.5x*2 alt and ctrl    With 1x*2 blank keys
ISO kit         ISO enter   1.25x shift   2 blank keys
Stepped capslock   
1.75 shift

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Cottonsox on Fri, 11 April 2014, 00:54:32
I am in for 3 sets,  probably cut back  to 2 sets with addons extra cost being absorbed. Others may be in similar a boat. Is it worth finding out if addon hits moq without combining?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Fri, 11 April 2014, 01:13:12
I think the price of the add on pack that I have stated will be around 4 dollars

And I think if we want easier hitting of moq of add-on pack
We should keep the ordering colour within 4

Last time, Elton's gb is at $8 usd for each set which is a extremely cheap price
And barely hit moq of 500 and 400 for each sets
And this time the price had risen for 75% for the ANSI set only
 
Therefore I expect there will be less orders

If we only go for the 4th generation
The possibility of successfully running this gb will be much higher

Or an alternative is that
We only accept orders for 4th generation at first
And if it goes right and smooth , we add additional colours
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Hak Foo on Fri, 11 April 2014, 01:35:32
That's why I was thinking "eliminate the add-on pack" and just sell a single set that consists of "104 + add-on pack" -- yes, a lot of people will end up with ISO keys they don't need, but the ISO people will have no reason to worry about "what if I sign on and the addon pack doesn't hit MOQ?"  It also makes it a nice choice for people with hybrid boards like the G80-8133 and 8200-- US boards with a semi-ISO layout-- that often lack a good direct replacement.

I don't think the price increase is that big of a deal-- as long as it stays within the current territory.  Considering a full lettered 104 set from Signature Plastics is $78 (based on the price of a main set + numpad set from pimpmykeyboard.com) you can still easily say "Get three Tai Hao sets for the same price!" even if the price rises a few dollars.  Now, it may be a bit more of a concern for people buying a few dozen sets for future resale, but again-- it's still cheaper to stockpile this stuff than SP stuff.

I think this does have some things going for it compared to the first Tai Hao GB:

* The original one was stuck with a lot of technical concerns.  I know when I first saw "7x spacebar" and then "yeah, we can throw some blanks in to get to a conventional bottom row", it was a big turn off.  This is "normal 104, fits almost any modern board, no surprises."

* The quality of the product is now known.  I've not heard anyone have anything particularly bad to say about itheir first-round sets.  Pretty much solves the "too good to be true" price-related concerns.

* The colour schemes are, frankly, a bit more compelling.  They were okay replacements for stock caps, but nobody was saying "I have another group buy set on my board, but I'm all excited to replace it with those".  On the other hand, I'd replace my CCnGs for that Dolch set.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Fri, 11 April 2014, 02:03:28
That's why I was thinking "eliminate the add-on pack" and just sell a single set that consists of "104 + add-on pack" -- yes, a lot of people will end up with ISO keys they don't need, but the ISO people will have no reason to worry about "what if I sign on and the addon pack doesn't hit MOQ?"  It also makes it a nice choice for people with hybrid boards like the G80-8133 and 8200-- US boards with a semi-ISO layout-- that often lack a good direct replacement.

I don't think the price increase is that big of a deal-- as long as it stays within the current territory.  Considering a full lettered 104 set from Signature Plastics is $78 (based on the price of a main set + numpad set from pimpmykeyboard.com) you can still easily say "Get three Tai Hao sets for the same price!" even if the price rises a few dollars.  Now, it may be a bit more of a concern for people buying a few dozen sets for future resale, but again-- it's still cheaper to stockpile this stuff than SP stuff.

I think this does have some things going for it compared to the first Tai Hao GB:

* The original one was stuck with a lot of technical concerns.  I know when I first saw "7x spacebar" and then "yeah, we can throw some blanks in to get to a conventional bottom row", it was a big turn off.  This is "normal 104, fits almost any modern board, no surprises."

* The quality of the product is now known.  I've not heard anyone have anything particularly bad to say about itheir first-round sets.  Pretty much solves the "too good to be true" price-related concerns.

* The colour schemes are, frankly, a bit more compelling.  They were okay replacements for stock caps, but nobody was saying "I have another group buy set on my board, but I'm all excited to replace it with those".  On the other hand, I'd replace my CCnGs for that Dolch set.

yea  i got you

so i think the best way to hold this GB will be combining both 104 and add-on
and we are only going for the 4th generation at the first stage of the GB.
And we will add in other colours according to the popularity from the poll we are now having, as long as the first stage runs smooth

This will be a pretty solid way to make sure this GB will not fail
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Harrowed on Fri, 11 April 2014, 03:09:30
I'm probably pushing it ( ;D) but with those prices we could try to hit quota for euro-kit as an option... What do you think? If TaiHao could do something like this.

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: McWilloughby on Fri, 11 April 2014, 04:05:15
so i think the best way to hold this GB will be combining both 104 and add-on
and we are only going for the 4th generation at the first stage of the GB.
And we will add in other colours according to the popularity from the poll we are now having, as long as the first stage runs smooth

This will be a pretty solid way to make sure this GB will not fail

I think this is probably the best way to run the buy, can't wait :)

I'm probably pushing it ( ;D) but with those prices we could try to hit quota for euro-kit as an option... What do you think? If TaiHao could do something like this.

(Attachment Link)

As much as I'd like to have the language specific keys, I don't see this happening as I think TaiHao would have to make some new moulds for the legends (correct me if I'm wrong somebody) and that was quite expensive when they had to do it for the 6.25x spacebar.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: pasph on Fri, 11 April 2014, 04:19:34
so i think the best way to hold this GB will be combining both 104 and add-on
and we are only going for the 4th generation at the first stage of the GB.
And we will add in other colours according to the popularity from the poll we are now having, as long as the first stage runs smooth

This will be a pretty solid way to make sure this GB will not fail

I think this is probably the best way to run the buy, can't wait :)

I'm probably pushing it ( ;D) but with those prices we could try to hit quota for euro-kit as an option... What do you think? If TaiHao could do something like this.

(Attachment Link)

As much as I'd like to have the language specific keys, I don't see this happening as I think TaiHao would have to make some new moulds for the legends (correct me if I'm wrong somebody) and that was quite expensive when they had to do it for the 6.25x spacebar.


If this would be possible i'll buy 5 sets but i think it's not likely to happen
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Fri, 11 April 2014, 04:21:00
so i think the best way to hold this GB will be combining both 104 and add-on
and we are only going for the 4th generation at the first stage of the GB.
And we will add in other colours according to the popularity from the poll we are now having, as long as the first stage runs smooth

This will be a pretty solid way to make sure this GB will not fail

I think this is probably the best way to run the buy, can't wait :)

I'm probably pushing it ( ;D) but with those prices we could try to hit quota for euro-kit as an option... What do you think? If TaiHao could do something like this.

(Attachment Link)

As much as I'd like to have the language specific keys, I don't see this happening as I think TaiHao would have to make some new moulds for the legends (correct me if I'm wrong somebody) and that was quite expensive when they had to do it for the 6.25x spacebar.


If this would be possible i'll buy 5 sets but i think it's not likely to happen

you mean the GB is not likely to happen?
maybe u can tell me ur concerns so that we can work on a solution
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: pasph on Fri, 11 April 2014, 04:23:19
No, i meant the Language specific kit
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Fri, 11 April 2014, 04:25:59
No, i meant the Language specific kit

i think taihao can only give us blank keys as substitutes

as its doublehshot, u will need a mold for keys with different legend
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Harrowed on Fri, 11 April 2014, 04:39:36
As much as I'd like to have the language specific keys, I don't see this happening as I think TaiHao would have to make some new moulds for the legends (correct me if I'm wrong somebody) and that was quite expensive when they had to do it for the 6.25x spacebar.
Yeah, if they don't have the legends it probably isn't worth it. But it doeasn't hurt to ask if they happen to have already molds for these legends... Probably not though.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: sth on Fri, 11 April 2014, 04:43:31
count my vote for a monolithic kit. this is how the original Red Alert sets (on otd) were run, and a lot more possibilities were afforded because the MOQ was the same across the board, which lowered the cost for many addon keys to an acceptable level.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: genkidama on Fri, 11 April 2014, 08:06:34
Maybe it's possible to get some chinese flavoured keys instead of blank ones? Personally I would like to see something on the keycap than nothing being it a blank keycap. Or how about this kind of twist, a chinese zodiac flavoured set? Although I think 12 extra keycaps are a bit of an overkill. But I just wanted to know if the blank keycaps could be replaced by something nice.

I'll probably buy two as well if this GB goes live. But still I'm curious about the shippings and what happens if you order two sets and taxes and stuff like that. But I know you'll tell us when everything's confirmed.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check [>>>POLL<<<]
Post by: sonic_the_hedgehog on Fri, 11 April 2014, 10:25:07
First and foremost, let me say how excited I am about this.

I had to bail somewhat on the last GB for Tai Hao and only ended up with two sets, but I'm fully in for this one (got more boards now than I did then, and more $ too!)

Especially the Caps Lock!! I just posted in the old thread to see if anyone has a solution for it because the Caps Lock that came with the old set doesn't fit my Cherry G80 boards at all (the stepped or not stepped doesn't bother me, I just want it to fit!!)

I will vote in the poll shortly. Now, some thoughts:

The shape of the windows logo is bugging me though...

is the windows key going to look like that?

Looks abit ugly though :(

I agree, it looks terrible. If we are going to do a tsang / ISO add-on set, or bundle those keys in together, can we also bundle a couple of blank 1x, 1.25x and 1.5x keys please? Considering it should only be an extra few cents per key lol.

At the cheap price of taihao just put everything into one package to hit MOQ super easy

U spoke my mind  ;)

Good plan  :thumb:

I think the price of the add on pack that I have stated will be around 4 dollars

And I think if we want easier hitting of moq of add-on pack
We should keep the ordering colour within 4

Last time, Elton's gb is at $8 usd for each set which is a extremely cheap price
And barely hit moq of 500 and 400 for each sets
And this time the price had risen for 75% for the ANSI set only
 
Therefore I expect there will be less orders

If we only go for the 4th generation
The possibility of successfully running this gb will be much higher

Or an alternative is that
We only accept orders for 4th generation at first
And if it goes right and smooth , we add additional colours

Hang on. Yes, the price is more expensive, but haven't the MOQ's reduced? From my understanding of your OP, for every generation on offer, for anything in stock the MOQ is 100 sets, and for anything out of stock, it's 300 sets.

The price may have risen by about 50-75%, but the MOQ has reduced by nearly 50% in the case of MOQ=300, and has reduced by like 80% in the case of MOQ=100.

As someone else mentioned, as long as the ballpark price is still sub-$15, this is a great deal. Not to mention:
 - a lot of people missed out on the first GB. This time, they will snap them up quick cos they've seen how fast they're now selling in the classifieds.
 - there is a dolch set, which will hit MOQ in like 20 minutes. It's already way out in front in the poll.
 - these colours are much more enticing. The first gen was fun for $8, but aside from the black, and for special projects, the colours were a bit useles.
 - the fact that there is a possibility of tsang / ISO means a lot more people will go for it.
 - DOLCH SET AVAILABLE!
 - many of the glitches (space bars / stepped Caps Lock etc) from the first gen have been ironed out.
 - did I mention... dolch set?
 - KeyPop might go in for a few sets again, based on how many he ordered last time? Maybe contact him to see if he is aware of this GB?

and we are only going for the 4th generation at the first stage of the GB.

Please please please don't limit to 4th gen initially. That Azure set is simply beautiful, especially when you see the other pics of it. Go with whatever the top 4 are at the end of the poll?

Or is there a really good reason to limit to 4th gen that I missed?

Anyway thank you so much for your effort dealing with Tai Hao so far, I'm confident this is going to be a huge success!  :)  :)  :)
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Cottonsox on Fri, 11 April 2014, 10:56:40
4th gen are currently the top picks. I assume thay was the reasoning.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: whiskytango on Fri, 11 April 2014, 11:37:17
@GhostofHarry: I personally am leaning toward only including the later generation stuff and not duplicating the first TH group buy for first gen colors, but would you consider running just the add-on kits for the original colors? The original sets were missing windows keys and menu key. You could also run the ISO/tsangan add-on in the original colors. Make it all one kit as a sort of "upgrade" set for the original colors.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Linkbane on Fri, 11 April 2014, 16:52:23
Would definitely go for an Azure, or Granite if it's not available.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: HairyBob on Fri, 11 April 2014, 17:58:41
I am also interested in an azure set, as well as a fourth gen set.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 11 April 2014, 18:15:58
I'm also interested in a Azure set.  That and two sets of Olivetti.

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 12 April 2014, 00:18:12
well

if we want iso and tsangan in our gb   
it will be safer for us to go for less colour first
or otherwise we would have to wait for a very long time until we reach the moq

if we found that its even hard to reach 500 MOQ for the 4th generation alone
we may consider getting at least moq 100 for the ansi set in stock (300 if not in stock)
so we can dump the add-ons and order only ansi
and move on to the next colour

azure and red on white are the 4th and 5th rank colours
i think we can do them at the same stage after the 4th generation. :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 12 April 2014, 01:35:04
well

if we want iso and tsangan in our gb   
it will be safer for us to go for less colour first
or otherwise we would have to wait for a very long time until we reach the moq

if we found that its even hard to reach 500 MOQ for the 4th generation alone
we may consider getting at least moq 100 for the ansi set in stock (300 if not in stock)
so we can dump the add-ons and order only ansi
and move on to the next colour

azure and red on white are the 4th and 5th rank colours
i think we can do them at the same stage after the 4th generation. :thumb:

Sounds good to me. I mainly want the Olivetti :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 12 April 2014, 09:20:58
Btw
I'm more lean on getting ISO kit
As for other colours I can always get them for u guys from vendor

But I have never seen ISO or tsangan from taihao

It is kind of special as taihao mainly sell keycaps to china only
Which is an ANSI area
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: MsYutai on Sun, 13 April 2014, 17:10:59
As a proud owner of a clone alps board I vote for alps!!
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: justnits on Mon, 14 April 2014, 03:48:33
i'll be interested in any of these;
Azure, Olivetti and Dolch.

too bad the 3rd gen have so little option, otherwise mixing them with 2nd gen or 4th gen will be sick!
light blue on white with azure mods  ;D
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 16 April 2014, 01:09:16
As a proud owner of a clone alps board I vote for alps!!

I would also pic up a alps set.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 16 April 2014, 01:13:39
As a proud owner of a clone alps board I vote for alps!!

Agreed. I'd pick up a dolch set in both MX and alps.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: SSIPAK on Wed, 16 April 2014, 05:58:17
Is it possible to make topre version of these?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 16 April 2014, 06:06:33
If this going to happen? What is the expected date to start the GB?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 16 April 2014, 08:58:42
I voted for my 6 favorite color schemes and will definitely order one of each no matter what gets chosen - at these prices you can't go wrong :p

One question though:

What will the color of the "|\" and the "~" key be? Will it be the color of the alphas or the color of the mods?

The Dolch Set in the OP has it the classic way and the Granite Set has the symmetrical look, which I prefer.

Maybe it's possible to get these 2 keys in both colors so everybody can use the one he likes best?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: whiskytango on Wed, 16 April 2014, 09:26:14
Maybe it's possible to get these 2 keys in both colors so everybody can use the one he likes best?

+1 to this. Get both.

I will also buy at least one of each whatever gets picked.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: RESPRiT on Wed, 16 April 2014, 10:12:12
Is it possible to make topre version of these?

I highly doubt TaiHao has the molds for Topre.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 16 April 2014, 10:39:45
Is it possible to make topre version of these?


Topre is an entirely different market segment, high cost low volume; this manufacturer is all about high volume and low cost, thus it is very unlikely it may have tooling for Topre.
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: SSIPAK on Wed, 16 April 2014, 16:44:50
Is it possible to make topre version of these?


Topre is an entirely different market segment, high cost low volume; this manufacturer is all about high volume and low cost, thus it is very unlikely it may have tooling for Topre.
doesn't hurt to ask :p
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Linkbane on Wed, 16 April 2014, 16:52:20
Is it possible to make topre version of these?


Topre is an entirely different market segment, high cost low volume; this manufacturer is all about high volume and low cost, thus it is very unlikely it may have tooling for Topre.
doesn't hurt to ask :p

If it was under $100 I'd totally be into Topre sets, to be honest. Need something refreshing. Given that the Novatouch is coming out, though, we'll finally have a real solution in swapping out stems, at least.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: sonic_the_hedgehog on Wed, 16 April 2014, 16:55:22
Maybe it's possible to get these 2 keys in both colors so everybody can use the one he likes best?

+1 to this. Get both.

I will also buy at least one of each whatever gets picked.

+1 again. I prefer symmetrical but I know a lot of people who prefer old school. Will be ordering at least 2 sets, depending which ones we end up going for in the first round.
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 16 April 2014, 17:06:11
Is it possible to make topre version of these?


Topre is an entirely different market segment, high cost low volume; this manufacturer is all about high volume and low cost, thus it is very unlikely it may have tooling for Topre.
doesn't hurt to ask :p


Sure it does not...
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Wed, 16 April 2014, 17:37:06
Sets are so cheap we should do this GB with ISO,stepped off center CapsLock and Tsangan all bundled with every set. This way we will make everybody happy and price is just right.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 16 April 2014, 17:49:21
Based on a currently running GB with ISO options, demand for ISO sets is 17.5% only. There is no justification as to bundle it with all the orders.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 16 April 2014, 19:38:06
The difference is that this high MOQ.

With a SP group buy, the MOQ is so low as to be meaningless.  Even if only 17% of people want an ISO kit, they generally can get one.

My thinking is "if they can't get the ISO kits, will they be willing to buy the ANSI set anyway?"  If we lose too many people over the ISO issue, it could compromise the buy, or limit the product mix it can offer.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: sonic_the_hedgehog on Wed, 16 April 2014, 19:59:30
I agree - put it all in together.

I need centre-stemmed caps locks for my Ducky boards but off-centre stemmed stepped for my Cherry boards.

For the sake of like $2-$3 extra, might as well bundle in all the options in the base set so that we get more orders.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 16 April 2014, 20:48:50
The difference is that this high MOQ.

With a SP group buy, the MOQ is so low as to be meaningless.  Even if only 17% of people want an ISO kit, they generally can get one.

My thinking is "if they can't get the ISO kits, will they be willing to buy the ANSI set anyway?"  If we lose too many people over the ISO issue, it could compromise the buy, or limit the product mix it can offer.


What would be the price difference with, and with NO ISO kit. At the end that is the important piece of information for the people to make a decision.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Linkbane on Wed, 16 April 2014, 21:28:09
I agree - put it all in together.

I need centre-stemmed caps locks for my Ducky boards but off-centre stemmed stepped for my Cherry boards.

For the sake of like $2-$3 extra, might as well bundle in all the options in the base set so that we get more orders.

 I dunno, $2-$3 doesn't sound like much but 2 or 3 things causes that to jump to five to ten dollars, which would definitely turn some people off who just want a basic ANSI set. Especially given Tai-Hao's general cheapness, I doubt everyone would stay if they were $40 rather than $30, for instance, especially considering most people won't use them.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 17 April 2014, 00:51:09
FYI

Quoted from taihao this morning

The add on set is $4

1.75x shift *1

 1.25x shift*1

iso enter *1

1x blank key *2 (for ISO)

1.5x ctrl *2

1.5x alt *2

1x blank key *2

7x spacebar *1

Taihao can ship them to proxies if we have enough order
So please if anyone can or interested to be proxy, find me
Like ,for the US and Europe ( as I'm from Hong Kong )

I think we can work out a solution
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 17 April 2014, 00:57:38
muhtha ****in yesh
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: sonic_the_hedgehog on Thu, 17 April 2014, 01:04:56
If the add-on is $4, plus $14 for the 4th gen sets, plus paypal, plus shipping to you/proxies, plus shipping to us...

We're probs looking at $25 per set minimum. Cheap, but not dirty cheap like Elton's gb.

I would be happy to try and just get ansi and aim for the 100 moq for the ones already in stock, and get them a bit quicker, rather than having to wait longer and pay more... just a thought.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 17 April 2014, 01:18:55
Yeah, I agree with Sonic on this.

If the sets aren't really cheap anymore many people (including me) might not join. After all I don't really like OEM profile and honestly I don't know anybody on Geekhack who prefers OEM over Cherry, DCS, DSA or whatever profile.

One could argue we should also replace the current Win Keys because they are really ugly - adding stuff just never ends end then we suddenly look at 30$ total...

In my opinion we should leave the sets as they are and just go with basic ANSI.

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 17 April 2014, 01:36:44
Yeah, I agree with Sonic on this.

If the sets aren't really cheap anymore many people (including me) might not join. After all I don't really like OEM profile and honestly I don't know anybody on Geekhack who prefers OEM over Cherry, DCS, DSA or whatever profile.

One could argue we should also replace the current Win Keys because they are really ugly - adding stuff just never ends end then we suddenly look at 30$ total...

In my opinion we should leave the sets as they are and just go with basic ANSI.

^ My thoughts exactly ^
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: pasph on Thu, 17 April 2014, 03:10:15
Without Tsangan and ISO i'm no more interested.
But for sure you'll get more first timers.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: McWilloughby on Thu, 17 April 2014, 05:00:03
So for the sake of $4 people want to rush into a GB that is basically no improvement on the previous TaiHao GB other than some different colours and a 6.25u spacebar?

If the add-on set is agreed on then what we will end up with is a set (or sets) of keys that can be used on any modern MX keyboard and the vast majority of older boards. Not everyone can afford the more comprehensive GBs running atm but it would be really great for me (and presumably the other ISO users) to be able to swap out a full set of keys for once instead of having to use the same stock enter, # and \ keys I've been using for years.

Going with plain ANSI will get some of you the sets you want quickly, sure. Going with plain ANSI plus the add-on pack, while having some delay, will get everyone the sets they want within reason (not counting the funky windows keys or the colours of the ANSI \| and ~` keys).
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 17 April 2014, 05:08:03
In my opinion the main question is:

Who really needs all the Tsangan Keys and ISO keys and will really use them?

Everybody who has a nice Korean Custom that needs an off-center stepped capslock key, a 7u spacebar and 1.5 mods will most likely use a GMK set anyway. Or do you want use these OEM keys on a vintage Cherry G80 that comes with doubleshot keys in Cherry Profile anyway?

Regular mordern boards like Ducky, Filco or QFR will only need the basic ANSI set anyway...

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: McWilloughby on Thu, 17 April 2014, 05:54:27
In my opinion the main question is:

Who really needs all the Tsangan Keys and ISO keys and will really use them?

Everybody who has a nice Korean Custom that needs an off-center stepped capslock key, a 7u spacebar and 1.5 mods will most likely use a GMK set anyway. Or do you want use these OEM keys on a vintage Cherry G80 that comes with doubleshot keys in Cherry Profile anyway?

Regular mordern boards like Ducky, Filco or QFR will only need the basic ANSI set anyway...

I'm not arguing in favour of a Tsangan kit but if helping the people who want that helps the ISO kit reach MOQ then that I'm all for the Tsangan kit. "Regular mordern boards like Ducky, Filco or QFR will only need the basic ANSI set anyway..." is a bit of a sweeping statement. I'm using a QFR right now that is UK ISO, if I were to go to my local computer store (or Amazon for that matter) and buy a Ducky, Filco or QFR, it would be UK ISO. To me, a regular keyboard is ISO.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 17 April 2014, 06:33:10
Yeah, I understand after all I am from ISO land as well...

I have simply stopped using my ISO boards and have switched to using ANSI because it's way cheaper to get keycaps for them ;)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: sonic_the_hedgehog on Thu, 17 April 2014, 07:08:32
Yeh I can see both sides, I'm just saying what would be more convenient for me, personally.

Overall, will we get more people buying with:
A) a basic ansi set, available more quickly, and cheaper; or
B) a more expensive set, but usable by more people

I have a couple of G80's, and neither have cherry DS caps. The profile doesn't bother me, and the Tai Hao caps are better than the Cherry lasered ones, firstly because they're clean and new, and secondly because they're DS.

I also have a Ducky Pro (Thick PBT) and a Shine 2 and a Shine Zero. There is no way i'd replace the thick PBT caps with Tai Hao caps, and the two shine boards have caps suitable for LEDs already. So for me it's the other way round lol  :))
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Thu, 17 April 2014, 07:19:17
FYI

Quoted from taihao this morning

The add on set is $4

1.75x shift *1

 1.25x shift*1

iso enter *1

1x blank key *2 (for ISO)

1.5x ctrl *2

1.5x alt *2

1x blank key *2

7x spacebar *1

Taihao can ship them to proxies if we have enough order
So please if anyone can or interested to be proxy, find me
Like ,for the US and Europe ( as I'm from Hong Kong )

I think we can work out a solution


Hey having Tsangan kit without the off center stepped CapsLock included don't make sense much. To all that are against over adding $4 more per set for keys they wont use because they only have ANSI board I can understand their point of view, but please consider the people who will jump on these sets if they have ISO,Tsangan + Caps Lock kits are good 20-25% of the buyers.

Many of you that complaint for the $4 price increase are joining lots of SP and GMK GB's that cost $100+ per set..... I personally don't need the ISO, but I would love to have the Tsangan + CapsLock, and why not add the ISO kit so we can make other peeps happy too.

I voted for 6-7 keysets and I intend to buy them as long as this time around they are more adaptable, yes I have a Korean board and its off center Caps Lock with Tsangan bottom modifiers and I also joined
Elton's GB that we had Tsangan but x7 space bar was not correct and there was no stepped off center Caps Lock available.... so I cant use the Tai Haos on my Korean board, I'm sure its exactly how people feel with ISO boards too that they joined the GB.

Price is good as it is with all add ons, lets make this GB as a step up from Eltons and have 98% of buyers 100% happy, the other 2% will be with the different language layout but that has always been the issue with all GB's.

For $4 more I say lets go all out and don't forget to add the "off center stepped CapsLock to Tsangan kit". To all that never owned TH sets and not sure about the quality of the sets I can tell you one thing, the quality is superb with excellent price tag.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 17 April 2014, 08:20:00
FYI

Quoted from taihao this morning

The add on set is $4

1.75x shift *1

 1.25x shift*1

iso enter *1

1x blank key *2 (for ISO)

1.5x ctrl *2

1.5x alt *2

1x blank key *2

7x spacebar *1

Taihao can ship them to proxies if we have enough order
So please if anyone can or interested to be proxy, find me
Like ,for the US and Europe ( as I'm from Hong Kong )

I think we can work out a solution


Hey having Tsangan kit without the off center stepped CapsLock included don't make sense much. To all that are against over adding $4 more per set for keys they wont use because they only have ANSI board I can understand their point of view, but please consider the people who will jump on these sets if they have ISO,Tsangan + Caps Lock kits are good 20-25% of the buyers.

Many of you that complaint for the $4 price increase are joining lots of SP and GMK GB's that cost $100+ per set..... I personally don't need the ISO, but I would love to have the Tsangan + CapsLock, and why not add the ISO kit so we can make other peeps happy too.

I voted for 6-7 keysets and I intend to buy them as long as this time around they are more adaptable, yes I have a Korean board and its off center Caps Lock with Tsangan bottom modifiers and I also joined
Elton's GB that we had Tsangan but x7 space bar was not correct and there was no stepped off center Caps Lock available.... so I cant use the Tai Haos on my Korean board, I'm sure its exactly how people feel with ISO boards too that they joined the GB.

Price is good as it is with all add ons, lets make this GB as a step up from Eltons and have 98% of buyers 100% happy, the other 2% will be with the different language layout but that has always been the issue with all GB's.

For $4 more I say lets go all out and don't forget to add the "off center stepped CapsLock to Tsangan kit". To all that never owned TH sets and not sure about the quality of the sets I can tell you one thing, the quality is superb with excellent price tag.

Stepped caps have been included in the basic set of 4th generation
So it's not included in the add on pack

I do think having ISO and tsangan is an improvement
They are not being ordered in the market yet
What we need is a balance between ANSI and ISO user

Maybe I can take away some of the caps or reduce the total cost by lowering the transport fee
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Linkbane on Thu, 17 April 2014, 10:05:11
Yeah, I agree with Sonic on this.

If the sets aren't really cheap anymore many people (including me) might not join. After all I don't really like OEM profile and honestly I don't know anybody on Geekhack who prefers OEM over Cherry, DCS, DSA or whatever profile.

One could argue we should also replace the current Win Keys because they are really ugly - adding stuff just never ends end then we suddenly look at 30$ total...

In my opinion we should leave the sets as they are and just go with basic ANSI.

I'm one of the admittedly not many who prefers OEM profile (higher looks nice, and spherical is pretty nasty IMO). Otherwise, as per my earlier post, I agree with Sonic. Certainly if there are others who want ISO, they can probably reach 100 MOQ for them and it'll be cheaper without ANSI keys, if the manufacturer can do that.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: McWilloughby on Thu, 17 April 2014, 10:36:41
Would the MOQ going to be 100 for the ISO/Tsangan kit? I was under the impression it would be 500 in which case I highly doubt that will be reached unless it is attached to the rest of the GB.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: genkidama on Thu, 17 April 2014, 11:09:42
Would the MOQ going to be 100 for the ISO/Tsangan kit? I was under the impression it would be 500 in which case I highly doubt that will be reached unless it is attached to the rest of the GB.
I also thought that it was MOQ 500 for the ISO/Tsangan or only ISO Kit. So it would be great to reach that and if I understood correctly it would be four more dollars to the normal ANSI set? This isn't that much of an increase or does it show some other way? Otherwise if the ISO Kit won't be included I'll probably won't buy any set.. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: ideus on Thu, 17 April 2014, 11:14:15
I do not mind to pay 4 more dollars to allow the people who need ISO kits to get them.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 17 April 2014, 11:41:17
I do not mind to pay 4 more dollars to allow the people who need ISO kits to get them.

I don't mind either, but I think the point is that we need 498 more people to agree as well.... Or get 250 people to agree to pay $8 extra....

If we really want to reach MOQ with tsangan/ISO, then maybe just pick one color of the 4th gen (cough, DOLCH, cough) and include it all in one kit and say the MOQ is 500, $18 per set base price. Then later, do another color. And so on.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: ideus on Thu, 17 April 2014, 11:53:55
I do not mind to pay 4 more dollars to allow the people who need ISO kits to get them.

I don't mind either, but I think the point is that we need 498 more people to agree as well.... Or get 250 people to agree to pay $8 extra....

If we really want to reach MOQ with tsangan/ISO, then maybe just pick one color of the 4th gen (cough, DOLCH, cough) and include it all in one kit and say the MOQ is 500, $18 per set base price. Then later, do another color. And so on.


Right. I agree. Let's see what happen.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: McWilloughby on Thu, 17 April 2014, 12:53:00
I do not mind to pay 4 more dollars to allow the people who need ISO kits to get them.

I don't mind either, but I think the point is that we need 498 more people to agree as well.... Or get 250 people to agree to pay $8 extra....

If we really want to reach MOQ with tsangan/ISO, then maybe just pick one color of the 4th gen (cough, DOLCH, cough) and include it all in one kit and say the MOQ is 500, $18 per set base price. Then later, do another color. And so on.


Right. I agree. Let's see what happen.

I think this would be the best approach as well. Surely people won't turn down the whole GB over an extra $4? There have got to be enough people wanting a Dolch set out there to achieve this.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Thu, 17 April 2014, 18:04:41
We are speaking of $4 per set extra for Tsangan and ISO.... as far as numbers go regarding MOQ, TH was getting interested once we passed the 300 mark in Eltons GB. I think we will do best if we run 5 or more sets in  this GB and even if all sets don't reach MOQ TH will be willing to work with us, and lets keep the ISO and Tsangan included with all sets that will run in this GB not just Dolch, all sets please. Like I said I don't need ISO but there were bunch of ISO users in Eltons GB that joined the GB just to make it happen, time to return back the favor and help them out a bit. Question is, is OP willing to run 5+ sets in one GB, might be a headache for him.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 17 April 2014, 18:12:48
Thats so many invoices....
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Linkbane on Thu, 17 April 2014, 18:31:14
I guess to me it just matters how many people are going to use the ISO kit and if it'll be much more expensive for th to have a separate kit, if it was something like $10 or so. If it was quite expensive to get ISO, I'd be willing to pay an extra few dollars also.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 17 April 2014, 19:35:27
I feel like it's a "let's just take the hit for the community" cost.

The people with TKL boards aren't all whining "Why do I have to pay for a numpad, surely an 87 set would be cheaper!"  I feel like treating the Tsangan and ISO extensions the same way works well.  You're getting a great price anyway, and the odds of the GB panning out, or the colour scheme you want being available are higher if we can get the people who need ISO and Tsangan sets onboard.

I too don't mind spending the extra $4.

Also, remember, it's not just an "ISO" or "Tsangan" kit, it's making a kit with great flexibility out of the box- the extra keys would be perfect for a US layout G80-8200, or to handle other odd layout needs-- . e. some of those off-brand boards with mixes of 1, 1.25, and 1.5x modifiers, or the boards with a split numpad plus/
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: ideus on Thu, 17 April 2014, 19:38:34
Lets go for the dolch colors set first.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Linkbane on Thu, 17 April 2014, 19:42:47
Hak Foo, while that sounds great and all, I'm sure that you understand that most people buy from Tai Hao because it's extremely cheap and not because it's versatile or the best quality, right? Because $4 on an $80 set to make it more accessible sounds okay, but $4 on a $25 set or so, especially for someone buying several sets, adds up a lot more.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: ideus on Thu, 17 April 2014, 19:51:21
I suggest the OP to run a poll (with actual voting) to check the numbers of people willing to go for the full multioptions set, and for a regular one, or even for a tkl.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Thu, 17 April 2014, 20:03:54
Hak Foo, while that sounds great and all, I'm sure that you understand that most people buy from Tai Hao because it's extremely cheap and not because it's versatile or the best quality, right? Because $4 on an $80 set to make it more accessible sounds okay, but $4 on a $25 set or so, especially for someone buying several sets, adds up a lot more.

Let me quess Linkbane your against Tsangan too right? cmon men you have what 4-5 boards in your sig? how much that costed you? how many other GB's have you entered and paid hundreds of $????

I vote for Tsangan,Caps Lock and ISO.... now let the cheapos cry out strong for the $4 extra per set, and guess what they would most likely be Muricans!!!!
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 17 April 2014, 20:05:12
I can definitely see your point.

Honestly, the caps for me would be going on conventional ANSI-104 boards, so I don't need the extras.  I guess it's an optimization problem:  which will get to MOQ more easily- a $25 ANSI-104-only set, or a $29 ANSI+ISO+Tsangan set?   We can argue all day about it, and I worry that even a non-binding poll would be speculation and inaccurate.

Personally, I'm not sure about the "cheap/low quality" argument.  People buy from SP for a few reasons:

* They were the first ones who we were able to organize buys with.
* They will go a lot further to hit specific needs.  If I want custom legends or exotic colours, SP will do it long before Tai Hao does.
* SP can do much smaller quantities, which ties into the above point.

A lot of the benefit of versatility is  that "I have a weird board which needs an ISO enter or a Tsangan set" is not an excuse for not buying the set.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Thu, 17 April 2014, 20:16:01
not an excuse to just join because it will benefit only the ANSI users? Hah! I really don't need ISO but I want it in because in the previous GB 20%+ got left out because there was no proper Tsangan with CapsLock and no ISO. Now why should I join the GB if I cant play around with the sets between the ANSI board and Korean board, I wont join just because of that, and you'll have another 30-40 peeps wont joining because there is no ISO.

First GB there was a good excuse, all was new and we wanted to make it happen anyways, now whats the excuse? we got all the moldings, bunch of options in colors, and a $4 excuse? I know I'm out if this goes ANSI only, don't be $4 selfish and support the ISO and Tsangan.
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Cottonsox on Thu, 17 April 2014, 20:52:43
not an excuse to just join because it will benefit only the ANSI users? Hah! I really don't need ISO but I want it in because in the previous GB 20%+ got left out because there was no proper Tsangan with CapsLock and no ISO. Now why should I join the GB if I cant play around with the sets between the ANSI board and Korean board, I wont join just because of that, and you'll have another 30-40 peeps wont joining because there is no ISO.

First GB there was a good excuse, all was new and we wanted to make it happen anyways, now whats the excuse? we got all the moldings, bunch of options in colors, and a $4 excuse? I know I'm out if this goes ANSI only, don't be $4 selfish and support the ISO and Tsangan.

I an sure that there are people om both sides of the argument that may not join/buy less sets.

 I am interested in as cheap as possible so I can buy as many sets as possible to play around with. I can tell you this much.  I will be buying into this gb, but at the same time $4 a set extra will mean I will probably buy 2 sets less.

I personally want it as cheaps as possible, and is this not the point of these?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 17 April 2014, 20:57:53
If you want cheap only, you can probably get all the laser-etched white G81 caps you can stomach.... :) :) :)

I'm drawn to this buy for the attractive colour choices, the better typography on legends, and to a limited extent, the higher profile caps.  'm also eaget to see if this segues into an ALPS group buy.  This leaves me a little elastic on price.
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Cottonsox on Thu, 17 April 2014, 21:00:57
Yeah I also am drawn to color choices and want to get in on as many as possible for what limited  funds I can justify for this gb.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: ideus on Thu, 17 April 2014, 21:08:24
Lets count instead of speculate. Data informs, emotions derail.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Fri, 18 April 2014, 00:06:37
lets vote then, and lets see how many votes we get for the extension sets, at least we know how many will back out. These are awesome looking caps, its a shame not to have proper set since all molding are available.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 19 April 2014, 19:28:44
Thank you for all the reply you of u guys

its really nice that everyone is trying to make this thing happen


i will start a new poll if u guys thinks its essential for us to make a fair decision

i am still more at the side of bundling ISO kit first, then observe the orders and make changes if needed
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 19 April 2014, 20:14:26
I personally don't mind paying a few extra dollars so that others can get the caps they need.

I'm just not sure if the added cost will scare away people that only want standard ANSI 1.25 sets.
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: lightsout714 on Sat, 19 April 2014, 22:36:42
Hak Foo, while that sounds great and all, I'm sure that you understand that most people buy from Tai Hao because it's extremely cheap and not because it's versatile or the best quality, right? Because $4 on an $80 set to make it more accessible sounds okay, but $4 on a $25 set or so, especially for someone buying several sets, adds up a lot more.
and guess what they would most likely be Muricans!!!!
WTH is that supposed to mean?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 19 April 2014, 23:24:25
My guess: People in America ('Muricans) will only need the US ANSI 104 set for most popular keyboards, so they can take an attitude of "Who cares about ISO?"
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: tinlong117 on Sat, 19 April 2014, 23:54:09
^
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: thestage on Sun, 20 April 2014, 18:54:55
If the extra keys don't increase the shipping costs, I doubt it would be that big of a deal.  I have no need for tsangan or ISO, and if given the option I wouldn't bother with them, but with a cheap volume order like this I think having all bases covered is pretty important.  I'd pay the extra on one or two sets, but if I were interested in buying, like, all of them, that might give me pause.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 20 April 2014, 18:58:04
My guess: People in America ('Muricans) will only need the US ANSI 104 set for most popular keyboards, so they can take an attitude of "Who cares about ISO?"

Last time around, there were special caps included for a minority of people that others had to pay for.  ISO kits always have a hard time hitting the MOQ, even when it's a low SP MOQ.  As such. some people feel it's unfair to make everyone pay for ISO when it's for a minority group that can't even hit the MOQ on their own and they aren't willing to buy multiple sets to hit the MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: sonic_the_hedgehog on Sun, 20 April 2014, 21:38:36
now whats the excuse? we got all the moldings, bunch of options in colors, and a $4 excuse? I know I'm out if this goes ANSI only, don't be $4 selfish and support the ISO and Tsangan.

Not really my take on it at all.

It's not just $4. It's base set price + $4 for add-ons + paypal fees + postage to proxies + postage to me.

On one set, fine. On two sets, still only $8.

But once you order 3 sets, you've spent enough on the add-ons to buy a whole extra base set...

So things really need to be put in perspective here. If you were doing $4 add-ons on a $70 GB, it's a no-brainer. But with Tai Hao, you're increasing the purchase price by 33% for each kit.

Also, the cost is only a part of it for me. The other thing is, as mentioned earlier, the MOQ is only 100 on ANSI in-stock sets. So we could potentially get these happening much sooner and easier than trying to get 500 MOQ  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: McWilloughby on Mon, 21 April 2014, 04:15:58
Also, the cost is only a part of it for me. The other thing is, as mentioned earlier, the MOQ is only 100 on ANSI in-stock sets. So we could potentially get these happening much sooner and easier than trying to get 500 MOQ  :thumb:

I really don't see the overall MOQ being a problem for a Dolch set.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Tue, 22 April 2014, 21:07:52
when will we vote for ISO and Tsangan?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: GhostofHarry on Wed, 23 April 2014, 16:12:43
Ill post a google poll within today

Sorry for the delays,  I'm busy with my works these days :(
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Wed, 23 April 2014, 18:36:03
np dude, thanks for doing this
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: SSIPAK on Thu, 24 April 2014, 04:26:54
is it possible to make 6u space bar and extra left shift key?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED bout ALPS, ISO)
Post by: Razor Lotus on Thu, 24 April 2014, 08:22:26
Where can we vote for the tsangan set?

Or is it not up yet?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 24 April 2014, 08:34:27
just posted on the first page
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 24 April 2014, 09:47:32
I voted in the poll, but I would like to share my suggestion to see what people think:

Separate the kits. For add-on, commit to buying 500. That's 500 x $4 = $2,000. Then present the prices in tiers. Set our own MOQ for group buy purposes, say 200 to keep price reasonable and give people assurance they are not committing to buy unless price reaches $10. So prices would look like this:

Order qty     Price per order
200                $10
300                $6.67
400                $5
500                $4

Obviously, for any quantity below 500, there would be more units produced than orders, and we could just divide up the extras evenly, have a lottery to see who gets extra sets, or sell them later and donate proceeds to GH. If we got 250 orders, everyone could get two sets or do whatever else with the extras. My guess is that people who want the add-ons wouldn't mind paying slightly more. I mean, come on, these add-on prices even at the 200 order mark are still way below what similar SP sets generally cost.

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 24 April 2014, 10:31:05
I like WhiskeyTango's idea  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: badloop on Thu, 24 April 2014, 12:42:02
Any chance of getting blanks? ... would love to have some dolch blanks.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: sonic_the_hedgehog on Thu, 24 April 2014, 17:45:46
I like WhiskeyTango's idea  :thumb:

Yep +1 :)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: bazemk1979 on Thu, 24 April 2014, 18:11:28
I wouldn't mind paying for 4 add ons per set, for all the sets that will go into the gb
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 24 April 2014, 22:21:16
I voted in the poll, but I would like to share my suggestion to see what people think:

Separate the kits. For add-on, commit to buying 500. That's 500 x $4 = $2,000. Then present the prices in tiers. Set our own MOQ for group buy purposes, say 200 to keep price reasonable and give people assurance they are not committing to buy unless price reaches $10. So prices would look like this:

Order qty     Price per order
200                $10
300                $6.67
400                $5
500                $4

Obviously, for any quantity below 500, there would be more units produced than orders, and we could just divide up the extras evenly, have a lottery to see who gets extra sets, or sell them later and donate proceeds to GH. If we got 250 orders, everyone could get two sets or do whatever else with the extras. My guess is that people who want the add-ons wouldn't mind paying slightly more. I mean, come on, these add-on prices even at the 200 order mark are still way below what similar SP sets generally cost.

^ +1 ^
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: Halvar on Fri, 25 April 2014, 08:00:14
I voted in the poll, but I would like to share my suggestion to see what people think:

Separate the kits. For add-on, commit to buying 500. That's 500 x $4 = $2,000. Then present the prices in tiers. Set our own MOQ for group buy purposes, say 200 to keep price reasonable and give people assurance they are not committing to buy unless price reaches $10. So prices would look like this:

Order qty     Price per order
200                $10
300                $6.67
400                $5
500                $4

Obviously, for any quantity below 500, there would be more units produced than orders, and we could just divide up the extras evenly, have a lottery to see who gets extra sets, or sell them later and donate proceeds to GH. If we got 250 orders, everyone could get two sets or do whatever else with the extras. My guess is that people who want the add-ons wouldn't mind paying slightly more. I mean, come on, these add-on prices even at the 200 order mark are still way below what similar SP sets generally cost.

Good idea, but since TH does the sorting, I wonder if the price is still $4 if the extras are in a separate set.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: badloop on Fri, 25 April 2014, 12:34:15
My wallet is aching to buy....
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Tue, 29 April 2014, 07:40:31
After a week or so, theres 32 votes for the latest poll

The votes for either bundle or separate are pretty close.

Whiskytango's suggestion may be used as final solution
its a very good suggestion and may meet everyone's need :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: sonic_the_hedgehog on Wed, 30 April 2014, 05:48:42
Whiskytango's suggestion may be used as final solution
its a very good suggestion and may meet everyone's need :thumb:

Is this GB nearly ready to launch then? Super keen to get this happening!

(My G80 boards are all messed up because I have Tai Hao v1 sets on them currently, which don't have the right Caps Locks, so my Caps Lock key is either the wrong profile or a blank 1x key lol)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Wed, 30 April 2014, 05:52:28
Whiskytango's suggestion may be used as final solution
its a very good suggestion and may meet everyone's need :thumb:

Is this GB nearly ready to launch then? Super keen to get this happening!

(My G80 boards are all messed up because I have Tai Hao v1 sets on them currently, which don't have the right Caps Locks, so my Caps Lock key is either the wrong profile or a blank 1x key lol)

i would like to start this ASAP

maybe finish taking orders in 2-3 weeks and wait for production

then sort the keycaps and send them out during sem break & before my intern starts

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: clongetty on Wed, 30 April 2014, 10:52:53
Will I be able to participate in the group buy if im from canada?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Wed, 30 April 2014, 14:33:18
Will I be able to participate in the group buy if im from canada?


yes
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: RaVNzCRoFT on Wed, 30 April 2014, 15:10:41
I'm really looking forward to this GB!  Does anybody with Tai-Hao experience know how soon these keycaps tend to get shiny?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: feizor on Thu, 01 May 2014, 04:55:30
So is this going to happen?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: badloop on Thu, 01 May 2014, 09:36:07
Whiskytango's suggestion may be used as final solution
its a very good suggestion and may meet everyone's need :thumb:

Is this GB nearly ready to launch then? Super keen to get this happening!

(My G80 boards are all messed up because I have Tai Hao v1 sets on them currently, which don't have the right Caps Locks, so my Caps Lock key is either the wrong profile or a blank 1x key lol)

i would like to start this ASAP

maybe finish taking orders in 2-3 weeks and wait for production

then sort the keycaps and send them out during sem break & before my intern starts

Is there an order form yet? 
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: babychoy on Thu, 01 May 2014, 10:52:36
I'm really looking forward to this GB!  Does anybody with Tai-Hao experience know how soon these keycaps tend to get shiny?

With frequent use, the caps should get shiny in around two-three weeks as expected of ABS keys.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: McWilloughby on Thu, 01 May 2014, 10:56:51
I'm really looking forward to this GB!  Does anybody with Tai-Hao experience know how soon these keycaps tend to get shiny?

With frequent use, the caps should get shiny in around two-three weeks as expected of ABS keys.

I'd disagree with this. I've been using them since they arrived and I type a LOT of documents, the E and T are only just starting to go. If you don't eat at the PC and wash your hands then they won't go shiny for a while.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: minho on Thu, 01 May 2014, 16:41:31
Whiskytango's suggestion may be used as final solution
its a very good suggestion and may meet everyone's need :thumb:

Is this GB nearly ready to launch then? Super keen to get this happening!

(My G80 boards are all messed up because I have Tai Hao v1 sets on them currently, which don't have the right Caps Locks, so my Caps Lock key is either the wrong profile or a blank 1x key lol)

i would like to start this ASAP

maybe finish taking orders in 2-3 weeks and wait for production

then sort the keycaps and send them out during sem break & before my intern starts

That's awesome, can't wait!
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: Blackehart on Thu, 01 May 2014, 22:36:50
in for a purple and blue set.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: feizor on Fri, 02 May 2014, 10:29:23
I'm in for Olivetti
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 02 May 2014, 11:56:15
Will there be any chance that we could request a properly cut "windows"  key? The current one is quite ugly... And I can't keep my eyes off of it.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: RaVNzCRoFT on Fri, 02 May 2014, 16:50:43
Will there be any chance that we could request a properly cut "windows"  key? The current one is quite ugly... And I can't keep my eyes off of it.

Agreed, that's the one thing I dislike about these sets.  The Windows XP/7 logo is the best one to use on keycaps.  I think the '98 and 8 logos look pretty ugly.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: Hak Foo on Fri, 02 May 2014, 17:31:26
I sort o like the "head on window" logo-- it looks like a Chinese character (which one?)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: minho on Fri, 02 May 2014, 17:47:13
Will there be any chance that we could request a properly cut "windows"  key? The current one is quite ugly... And I can't keep my eyes off of it.

Agreed, that's the one thing I dislike about these sets.  The Windows XP/7 logo is the best one to use on keycaps.  I think the '98 and 8 logos look pretty ugly.

Windows 8 logo looks pretty nice imo. XP/7 logo looks to curvy to fit in with the sleek "modern" trend that has been developing. Also whenever I see it I think of the crappy lighting/gradients used to make it look kind of 3D, and just older computers in general. In my mind, Windows 8 -> faster computers, Windows XP -> ****ty old ones. (Reliable, but outdated).
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 02 May 2014, 17:49:20
I sort o like the "head on window" logo-- it looks like a Chinese character (which one?)

I personally like the Windows 8 Logo (would be easier to cut too), but I wouldn't mind the W7 one either.

Are you referring to "田"? It pretty much means field in Chinese...
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: Hak Foo on Fri, 02 May 2014, 18:23:04
Yeah; I was posting ffrom a machine without a character map utility to select it, or run it though a  translator.

Maybe 'field' is the perfect symbol for Windows; think of the famous XP wallpaper :)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: minho on Fri, 02 May 2014, 18:52:58
Yeah; I was posting ffrom a machine without a character map utility to select it, or run it though a  translator.

Maybe 'field' is the perfect symbol for Windows; think of the famous XP wallpaper :)

Might look kind of funny to Chinese users though. Imagine seeing "field" instead of the windows symbol on that key.

Note that 田 isn't just any old field, it's used for fields in which rice and other staple grains are grown.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 02 May 2014, 20:01:03
Yeah; I was posting ffrom a machine without a character map utility to select it, or run it though a  translator.

Maybe 'field' is the perfect symbol for Windows; think of the famous XP wallpaper :)

I'd much rather have the "field" symbol then the win8 logo :))
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: thestage on Fri, 02 May 2014, 20:31:17
I'd rather the windows key just be blank, personally.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 02 May 2014, 20:31:57
I'd rather the windows key just be blank, personally.

That would be fine also :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: pichu23 on Fri, 02 May 2014, 21:34:45
Rather blank than that weird wins logo tbh x)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: feizor on Fri, 02 May 2014, 21:56:44
Or just "WIN"
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 02 May 2014, 21:57:54
Or just "WIN"

That works also.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: pichu23 on Fri, 02 May 2014, 22:02:42
Or just "WIN"

That works also.

yeah this might be a good choice.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: thestage on Fri, 02 May 2014, 22:22:05
WIN is good
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: Kfactork on Fri, 02 May 2014, 22:34:30
Well no one likes to LOSE.  :p


jk, I think WIN is a good idea. Or Win, so it stays consistent with Ctrl and Alt.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: sonic_the_hedgehog on Fri, 02 May 2014, 23:01:35
Rather blank than that weird wins logo tbh x)

+1 for blank. Especially if we're trying to please the most people possible, keep the unix/linux/OS2 users happy  :thumb:

Or just "WIN"

Or "WINNING!"

No but seriously, what other keyboard in your house will have "WIN" on the win key? I think it'll look a bit strange.

I agree anything is better than Tai Hao's ****ty excuse for a windows key, it's super horrible, but let's get something which will not be too different from a standard set.


Yeah; I was posting ffrom a machine without a character map utility to select it, or run it though a  translator.

Maybe 'field' is the perfect symbol for Windows; think of the famous XP wallpaper :)

Might look kind of funny to Chinese users though. Imagine seeing "field" instead of the windows symbol on that key.

Note that 田 isn't just any old field, it's used for fields in which rice and other staple grains are grown.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, it's also got the same meaning in Japanese and it's really common in surnames (Yamada for instance) and would be a bit distracting...
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: thestage on Fri, 02 May 2014, 23:52:47

No but seriously, what other keyboard in your house will have "WIN" on the win key? I think it'll look a bit strange.

The stock poker 2 keys have WIN
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 03 May 2014, 01:59:51
I'd rather the windows key just be blank, personally.

Win and Menu keys were blank (mind you, double-shot blank!) in the original TH GB.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: RaVNzCRoFT on Sat, 03 May 2014, 02:39:18
I'd be fine with blank.  Not a big fan of WIN/Win, though.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: Razor Lotus on Sat, 03 May 2014, 07:18:06
Anything but what they have now pls.

"win", win7 logo, winxp logo, blank, still better lol.

He hasn't commented on the thread yet though. So not sure if we're able to change it i guess?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: feizor on Sat, 03 May 2014, 08:17:18
Maybe I'm weird but I don't really mind the current windows key legend.

What about a diamond like on HHKP2
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 03 May 2014, 10:54:31
hey   
i can just put the 2 blank win key in the add-on pack

if you want it :D
please support the add-on pack


i will open the groupbuy next week
for the time being, i will ship them through USPS
until i get a better option
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: minho on Sat, 03 May 2014, 11:27:20
Maybe I'm weird but I don't really mind the current windows key legend.

What about a diamond like on HHKP2

That would look nice. A lot of custom sets have that right?
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: feizor on Sat, 03 May 2014, 12:30:06


hey   
i can just put the 2 blank win key in the add-on pack

if you want it :D
please support the add-on pack


i will open the groupbuy next week
for the time being, i will ship them through USPS
until i get a better option

What postal service do HK eBay sellers all use? It seems quite cheap.

Really looking forward to this by the way, thanks for taking the effort to organise this!
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 03 May 2014, 13:11:49


hey   
i can just put the 2 blank win key in the add-on pack

if you want it :D
please support the add-on pack


i will open the groupbuy next week
for the time being, i will ship them through USPS
until i get a better option

What postal service do HK eBay sellers all use? It seems quite cheap.

Really looking forward to this by the way, thanks for taking the effort to organise this!


easiest way is by HK post
the official postage in HK?
( but as ppl here seems to be used to USPS, i will use USPS as default and seek for cheaper ones within my ability)

you can see info from their website (currency in HKD!!)
http://www.hongkongpost.hk/eng/postage/overseas/air/index.htm#letter

i will ask more from them directly, as i dont know if i would be wrong about the price

but anyway   i will collect our orders first to save the time


also, for ppl who expressed their interest to be a proxy in the poll (other then those who have already PMed me)
please PM me as i am stupid enough to forget to ask you to leave ur ID to me for contact

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: feizor on Sat, 03 May 2014, 13:26:19


hey   
i can just put the 2 blank win key in the add-on pack

if you want it :D
please support the add-on pack


i will open the groupbuy next week
for the time being, i will ship them through USPS
until i get a better option

What postal service do HK eBay sellers all use? It seems quite cheap.

Really looking forward to this by the way, thanks for taking the effort to organise this!


easiest way is by HK post
the official postage in HK?
( but as ppl here seems to be used to USPS, i will use USPS as default and seek for cheaper ones within my ability)

you can see info from their website (currency in HKD!!)
http://www.hongkongpost.hk/eng/postage/overseas/air/index.htm#letter

i will ask more from them directly, as i dont know if i would be wrong about the price

but anyway   i will collect our orders first to save the time


also, for ppl who expressed their interest to be a proxy in the poll (other then those who have already PMed me)
please PM me as i am stupid enough to forget to ask you to leave ur ID to me for contact



Those rates are really cheap!
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 03 May 2014, 14:06:28

Those rates are really cheap!

and thats why i fear that i have missed anything.

as far as i know, that rate of 2nd class air mail is a kind of  "Small Packets"
and it requires the package to be opened when sending to ease customs' checking

but well....the price difference from enclosed packing is 4-5 times, and what we are sending aren't meant to be secrets.
so i think it will be fine

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: barkinos98 on Sat, 03 May 2014, 17:11:41
I'd love to get in for the olivetti set!
BTW, no misunderstandings the whole 100+ keys are $14 right? (plus shipping of course)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: feizor on Sat, 03 May 2014, 17:15:42

Those rates are really cheap!

and thats why i fear that i have missed anything.

as far as i know, that rate of 2nd class air mail is a kind of  "Small Packets"
and it requires the package to be opened when sending to ease customs' checking

but well....the price difference from enclosed packing is 4-5 times, and what we are sending aren't meant to be secrets.
so i think it will be fine



Yep, the packages I receive from Hong Kong are usually packed in brown envelopes that are closed with a bit of string. I haven't had anything go missing before so it should be pretty reliable.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 03 May 2014, 21:03:35

Those rates are really cheap!

and thats why i fear that i have missed anything.

as far as i know, that rate of 2nd class air mail is a kind of  "Small Packets"
and it requires the package to be opened when sending to ease customs' checking

but well....the price difference from enclosed packing is 4-5 times, and what we are sending aren't meant to be secrets.
so i think it will be fine



Yep, the packages I receive from Hong Kong are usually packed in brown envelopes that are closed with a bit of string. I haven't had anything go missing before so it should be pretty reliable.


Yes
The package cannot be sealed

I'd love to get in for the olivetti set!
BTW, no misunderstandings the whole 100+ keys are $14 right? (plus shipping of course)


Yes u are correct
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sun, 04 May 2014, 08:36:33
good news for u guys

just had a chat with a chinese vendor
and he is interested to take 100-150 add-on pack of each 4th generation colour :)

Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sun, 04 May 2014, 09:44:43
nothing here
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on
Post by: badloop on Sun, 04 May 2014, 10:50:23

good news for u guys

just had a chat with a chinese vendor
and he is interested to take 100-150 add-on pack of each 4th generation colour :)

Awesome!  Let's get this going! :-)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: minho on Sun, 04 May 2014, 13:42:18
good news for u guys

just had a chat with a chinese vendor
and he is interested to take 100-150 add-on pack of each 4th generation colour :)

YAY

Now only question remaining is where to get funds to buy as many as possible....  :p
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: Kfactork on Mon, 05 May 2014, 00:09:03
good news for u guys

just had a chat with a chinese vendor
and he is interested to take 100-150 add-on pack of each 4th generation colour :)

YAY

Now only question remaining is where to get funds to buy as many as possible....  :p
A kidney or two would work. Or a few pints of blood  :))
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 05 May 2014, 00:12:53

good news for u guys

just had a chat with a chinese vendor
and he is interested to take 100-150 add-on pack of each 4th generation colour :)

Awesome!  Let's get this going! :-)

Sorry if I missed this, but when will this GB start exactly?
Title: Re: [IC][&gt;&gt;&gt;POLL&lt;&lt;&lt;] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 05 May 2014, 00:16:24
Sorry if I missed this, but when will this GB start exactly?

This coming week hopefully  :)?
hey   
i can just put the 2 blank win key in the add-on pack

if you want it :D
please support the add-on pack


i will open the groupbuy next week
for the time being, i will ship them through USPS
until i get a better option
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: barkinos98 on Tue, 06 May 2014, 09:24:56
I am waiting with my money in my hand for this :D
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: genkidama on Tue, 06 May 2014, 10:08:35
Hey there peeps,
unfortunately I cannot visit the google docs page for the poll as its restricted here at work and at home I haven't got my internet yet.. And as I see there were already many replys written here and I cannot catch up here at work. So if the poll is only for giving "yes" to the add-on pack, I am giving it! :-)

But still the add-on pack contains the tsangan kit or as of right now you guys decided to split tsangan and the add-on pack for ISO?

Hopefully I'll get my internet soon as I don't want to miss this GB!! :-)

cheers,
genkidama
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Tue, 06 May 2014, 10:32:09
These few days, i was trying my best to get more attention to the Add-On Pack

Other than GH, i am trying to gather orders also from Korea and Taiwan as well as China to make this happen

Really hope that this will be successful :(

I may not be experienced so I would try to compensate with more hardwork



Hey there peeps,
unfortunately I cannot visit the google docs page for the poll as its restricted here at work and at home I haven't got my internet yet.. And as I see there were already many replys written here and I cannot catch up here at work. So if the poll is only for giving "yes" to the add-on pack, I am giving it! :-)

But still the add-on pack contains the tsangan kit or as of right now you guys decided to split tsangan and the add-on pack for ISO?

Hopefully I'll get my internet soon as I don't want to miss this GB!! :-)

cheers,
genkidama

Add-On Pack includes tsangan and ISO kit

so no worry genkidama :)

about the selling method,  it will be likely to be sold by the way whiskytango had suggested.

i will confirmed about it in the groupbuy
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: minho on Tue, 06 May 2014, 11:11:45
These few days, i was trying my best to get more attention to the Add-On Pack

Other than GH, i am trying to gather orders also from Korea and Taiwan as well as China to make this happen

Really hope that this will be successful :(

I may not be experienced so I would try to compensate with more hardwork



Hey there peeps,
unfortunately I cannot visit the google docs page for the poll as its restricted here at work and at home I haven't got my internet yet.. And as I see there were already many replys written here and I cannot catch up here at work. So if the poll is only for giving "yes" to the add-on pack, I am giving it! :-)

But still the add-on pack contains the tsangan kit or as of right now you guys decided to split tsangan and the add-on pack for ISO?

Hopefully I'll get my internet soon as I don't want to miss this GB!! :-)

cheers,
genkidama

Add-On Pack includes tsangan and ISO kit

so no worry genkidama :)

about the selling method,  it will be likely to be sold by the way whiskytango had suggested.

i will confirmed about it in the groupbuy


Wow, simultaneous group buy in China and Korea too... now that's dedication. Thanks so much for doing this! Will definitely be buying many sets  ;D
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: genkidama on Tue, 06 May 2014, 11:23:18
These few days, i was trying my best to get more attention to the Add-On Pack

Other than GH, i am trying to gather orders also from Korea and Taiwan as well as China to make this happen

I'm really glad you are doing this and making this IC or rather GB happen! This'll be my first one and I'm feeling really good about this!
You are doing a great job man!

so no worry genkidama :)

As you are really doing a great job and show such dedication, I have no worries my man! Thanks a  lot about all the answers and information gathering and stuff like that! Keep it up!

about the selling method,  it will be likely to be sold by the way whiskytango had suggested.

As this is my first GB, what kind of paying methods will there be? PayPal? Or will you give all the information about the buying methods and fees and stuff in the GB first post?

cheers,
genki
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Tue, 06 May 2014, 12:16:36

As this is my first GB, what kind of paying methods will there be? PayPal? Or will you give all the information about the buying methods and fees and stuff in the GB first post?

cheers,
genki

yes   it will be through paypal
Final Price will likely to be "cost + shippings (to me and to you) + paypal transaction fee"

As HK is a free port, we dont have to pay for the import / export tax when the keycaps comes to me
but you might have to pay for the import tax at your country.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: feizor on Wed, 07 May 2014, 08:29:12
I have a feeling dolch and Olivette will easily fill moq.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: thestage on Wed, 07 May 2014, 13:27:08
I have a feeling dolch and Olivette will easily fill moq.

But what about my dear purple?  :(
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: Blackehart on Wed, 07 May 2014, 21:49:51
interested in a dolch equivalent set.  :)
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: SSIPAK on Thu, 08 May 2014, 00:14:06
So how close are you from starting this GB? Thanks
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 08 May 2014, 00:19:44
What left to be confirmed is how I pay taihao

Originally they refuse to let me pay them through paypal
Cuz paypal only allows small amount transfer for every transaction

Now I'm asking if I can pay through paypal by multiple times
Cuz if I have to withdraw the money from PayPal to my bank account(into hkd)
and pay through the banking system
We would have to pay more to cover the currency part

Dealing with taihao is kinda tiring
They will only reply in office hour and by email while I might not be free all the time(school works or so)
Which makes the progress really slow
But hopefully I can start this today/tmr

Btw
Good news!
Add on pack now 300 MOQ only !
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: Harrowed on Thu, 08 May 2014, 01:49:17
What left to be confirmed is how I pay taihao

Originally they refuse to let me pay them through paypal
Cuz paypal only allows small amount transfer for every transaction

Now I'm asking if I can pay through paypal by multiple times
Cuz if I have to withdraw the money from PayPal to my bank account(into hkd)
and pay through the banking system
We would have to pay more to cover the currency part
That's kinda tricky. I don't think that avoiding paypal restrictions via multiple transfers is that solid way to do it because paypal can be a pain in the ass if they think that something fishy is going on your account (seizing the funds etc. until you have proven that you have required documents). Anyways, be prepared to verify your identity and residence for paypal if you haven't had large numbers of transactions before in your paypal account.

Btw
Good news!
Add on pack now 300 MOQ only !

That's great to hear, makes it a lot easier to meet!
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: YummyTreeSap on Thu, 08 May 2014, 04:04:33
Definitely interested, esp. the second two in the 4th Gen ones (Dolch, Granite).  The colored ones are pretty dang nice looking though.
Title: Re: [IC][>>>POLL<<<] TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED Poll for add-on )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 08 May 2014, 04:30:49

That's kinda tricky. I don't think that avoiding paypal restrictions via multiple transfers is that solid way to do it because paypal can be a pain in the ass if they think that something fishy is going on your account (seizing the funds etc. until you have proven that you have required documents). Anyways, be prepared to verify your identity and residence for paypal if you haven't had large numbers of transactions before in your paypal account.


yea Harrowed... you got the point.

Also, paypal will actually collect 3.9% or more for each transaction.
So they actually collects twice (once when you guys give me the money, once when i give taihao the moeny)

I will try to calculate by which payment method we can save more
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: Razor Lotus on Thu, 08 May 2014, 07:09:17
Thank you very much for your help

That's kinda tricky. I don't think that avoiding paypal restrictions via multiple transfers is that solid way to do it because paypal can be a pain in the ass if they think that something fishy is going on your account (seizing the funds etc. until you have proven that you have required documents). Anyways, be prepared to verify your identity and residence for paypal if you haven't had large numbers of transactions before in your paypal account.


yea Harrowed... you got the point.

Also, paypal will actually collect 3.9% or more for each transaction.
So they actually collects twice (once when you guys give me the money, once when i give taihao the moeny)

I will try to calculate by which payment method we can save more

Thank you very much for your help!

Hope this GB can start soon :)
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: genkidama on Thu, 08 May 2014, 09:23:37
Thanks for your effort GhostofHarry!!

Before the GB starts will you determine which sets will be up for order? I'm not sure if this have already been done through the poll in Google Docs, but unfortunately I cannot visit this site as it's restricted.

Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Thu, 08 May 2014, 09:29:04
Thanks for your effort GhostofHarry!!

Before the GB starts will you determine which sets will be up for order? I'm not sure if this have already been done through the poll in Google Docs, but unfortunately I cannot visit this site as it's restricted.



I will be doing the GB in 2 stages

First stage is the 3 colours in the 4th generation, Dolch Olivette and Granite
Second stage will be the Red on White and Azure
If all of them meets the MOQ     i will see if im another accepting order of another colour

The priority of colour in each stage are determined by the result of the poll we have done

Edit: I will only move onto the next stage once the currenct stage meets the MOQ of ANSI kit and if enough ppl joint the add-on kit
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: nuclearsandwich on Fri, 09 May 2014, 17:13:06
The interest check for the Alps part of this has been opened (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58086.0).
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: RaVNzCRoFT on Fri, 09 May 2014, 21:59:43
What exactly is this (http://img01.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i1/16731204/T2n_cTXshaXXXXXXXX-16731204.jpg) picture showing?  Is it a single set of blue and gray TaiHao double-shots?  It looks like there are extra blue caps so is it a mix-and-match of two sets?  I don't see any mention of these keycaps in the poll.  I'm confused.
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: feizor on Fri, 09 May 2014, 22:38:34
What exactly is this (http://img01.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i1/16731204/T2n_cTXshaXXXXXXXX-16731204.jpg) picture showing?  Is it a single set of blue and gray TaiHao double-shots?  It looks like there are extra blue caps so is it a mix-and-match of two sets?  I don't see any mention of these keycaps in the poll.  I'm confused.


Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but those greys are stock ducky dyesubs and not part of any tai hao set. Picture is just showing you how it would look if you mixed the blue tai haos with some stock grey keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: RaVNzCRoFT on Fri, 09 May 2014, 22:44:15
I thought they looked like Ducky dye-subs, but I was confused because the blues in that picture look darker than the TaiHao blues in the picture above it.  I guess I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 10 May 2014, 01:10:10
I thought they looked like Ducky dye-subs, but I was confused because the blues in that picture look darker than the TaiHao blues in the picture above it.  I guess I'm mistaken.

its just a demonstration of the caps on keyboard

the photo was handled badly so its normal for you to be confused ;)

u can take a look at YongJK's photo below
He took great photoes and the colour there are 99.9% identical to what u can get


btw   i will start this GB within 12 hours :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: feizor on Sat, 10 May 2014, 01:13:04
YES!
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 10 May 2014, 01:36:50
btw   i will start this GB within 12 hours :thumb:

This GB should run for at least a month correct?
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 10 May 2014, 01:40:12
btw   i will start this GB within 12 hours :thumb:

This GB should run for at least a month correct?


What about the end of this month?
Production takes around 8weeks and I still need to sort them out
300 moq should be easy and let's not make this too long
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 10 May 2014, 01:42:14
btw   i will start this GB within 12 hours :thumb:

This GB should run for at least a month correct?


What about the end of this month?
Production takes around 8weeks and I still need to sort them out
300 moq should be easy and let's not make this too long

Yeah that is fine with me.  I was just wondering :D
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 10 May 2014, 04:00:12
Btw guys

Do u think its ok to have the keycaps in plastic ziplocks or we should have a blister packing??

Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: feizor on Sat, 10 May 2014, 04:12:48
Does it make much if a difference to cost? Blister packs seem safer for postage and handling.

Have you got a plan in place for missing keys etc? Maybe get ask tai hao to include a few extra sets as replacement stock.
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: McWilloughby on Sat, 10 May 2014, 04:17:28
Btw guys

Do u think its ok to have the keycaps in plastic ziplocks or we should have a blister packing??

The package I got from Elton in the last GB was 3 ziplock bags in a cardboard box of an almost perfect size. I guess if you can't get really well fitting boxes then blister packs could be better.
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 10 May 2014, 04:27:09
Does it make much if a difference to cost? Blister packs seem safer for postage and handling.

Have you got a plan in place for missing keys etc? Maybe get ask tai hao to include a few extra sets as replacement stock.

Yes  $1 difference



The package I got from Elton in the last GB was 3 ziplock bags in a cardboard box of an almost perfect size. I guess if you can't get really well fitting boxes then blister packs could be better.

I can get different of sizes of box from post office in HK
the smallest one can take 2 packs of blister packed keycaps with 1-2 pack of add-on pack i guess (but they will be kind of pressed)
but ziplock should be easier to put in a carton box, less volume

so blister packing looks better, and give better protection to the keycaps
but it is $1 more expensive and increases the shipping cost (packing material and shipping cost cuz it takes more volume)

This is how the blister packing looks

Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 10 May 2014, 04:33:58
Does it make much if a difference to cost? Blister packs seem safer for postage and handling.

Have you got a plan in place for missing keys etc? Maybe get ask tai hao to include a few extra sets as replacement stock.

Yes  $1 difference



The package I got from Elton in the last GB was 3 ziplock bags in a cardboard box of an almost perfect size. I guess if you can't get really well fitting boxes then blister packs could be better.

I can get different of sizes of box from post office in HK
the smallest one can take 2 packs of blister packed keycaps with 1-2 pack of add-on pack i guess (but they will be kind of pressed)
but ziplock should be easier to put in a carton box, less volume

so blister packing looks better, and give better protection to the keycaps
but it is $1 more expensive and increases the shipping cost (packing material and shipping cost cuz it takes more volume)

This is how the blister packing looks

The blister packs do look better/safer.  How much would it increase shipping costs?
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 10 May 2014, 04:42:39
each blister pack has dimension of  130*60*90 mm
The part im considering is when Taihao ship me the keycaps

I quoted a shipping cost of around 1500 sets of ANSI in blister pack
we will use around 41 cartons
if we ship them in ziplocks, i think we can save A LOT of cartons

and for the part when i send them to you guys,  it should not be a big problem, just a difference of 1 usd too,

we can open the GB to collect orders first, with the shipping price we have at the moment
cuz its the highest shipping cost we're gonna have anyway, changes will only lower the cost for us

I would prefer using ziplocks...
shouldnt raise the price of this GB too much
and if its fine when elton send u guys the keycaps
there shouldnt be any problem for this time

I can also use bubble mailer when we uses ziplocks too
generally i think ziplocks should be enough
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: tmk1207 on Sat, 10 May 2014, 04:54:20
Open thread GB pls ;)
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 10 May 2014, 04:55:20
Open thread GB pls ;)

making the forms and stuff
will open GB thread very soon
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: tmk1207 on Sat, 10 May 2014, 04:58:26
Open thread GB pls ;)

making the forms and stuff
will open GB thread very soon

Grats ;) :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: GhostofHarry on Sat, 10 May 2014, 07:02:26
GB thread done

awaiting approval
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: minho on Sat, 10 May 2014, 12:20:39
GB thread done

awaiting approval

Hell... It's about time. :cool:
Title: Re: [IC]TaiHao Keysets Colour Interest Check(UPDATED New add-on MOQ )
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sat, 10 May 2014, 13:48:55
Wohoo
Now to wait for the 2nd part of the GB  :thumb: