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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #400 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 07:29:31 »
A little news for alps people.
I was struggling with CapsLock switch for a long time.
Thanks for friends who motivated me, I solved the problem, and upcoming GB will includes new revision. (which is 0.3)

Awesome news :)

but who uses Caps Lock?
          
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #401 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 07:51:22 »
A little news for alps people.
I was struggling with CapsLock switch for a long time.
Thanks for friends who motivated me, I solved the problem, and upcoming GB will includes new revision. (which is 0.3)

Awesome news :)

but who uses Caps Lock?

Me.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #402 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 07:53:05 »
A little news for alps people.
I was struggling with CapsLock switch for a long time.
Thanks for friends who motivated me, I solved the problem, and upcoming GB will includes new revision. (which is 0.3)

Awesome news :)

but who uses Caps Lock?

Damn that's a good question. I don't even use it when I spell my name. :eek:

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #403 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 07:59:30 »
I'm an alps user!
I don't use caps lock though. Except when I have to enter a zip code.
Glad to hear about the ongoing developments!
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #404 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 08:57:11 »
Ah, you guys :)
OK, I'll explain the detail.

First, when I say CapsLock, it's "the switch in capslock position", since you know, it's custom keyboard.
You can map any key there, I use CapsLock/Fn Layer Dual Action key.
(You saw my video, I change LED mode with capslock + another key, when hit once, it's caps lock, when typed with another key, it's Fn layer key. simple and useful.)
Somebody uses the position as Ctrl, (like HHKB)
So, it's not about key "function" , it's "position" matter.

When it comes to alps, position -REALLY- matters. Because of slim keycap choice option.
And CapsLock, Row3 1.75u Keycap.
Vintage CherryMX stem position is 1.25u (stepped capslock keycap), OEM MX stem position is 1.75u.
At this point, no problem.
But additional vintage Alps keycaps like AT101, SGI the stem makes it a lot complicated, it's at "1.5u" position.

It's not a problem if Vergo type.T-II PCB is designed only for Alps and another version of MX.
But it is combo-compatible. So yes, really is a problem.
When you place 1.25 MX + 1.25 Alps + 1.5 Alps + 1.75 MX + 1.75 Alps for one switch, the pads stick together in one big chunk of pad. 1.5 Alps pads makes bridge of all pads. So, it cannot be "switch".
Anyway, I just cracked this problem out. not delicate but yeh, it will works.
It looks like this.


This can be a good news for those who planned to use AT101 keycaps for this PCB.
« Last Edit: Fri, 12 February 2016, 09:03:22 by zefyr »
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #405 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 09:07:00 »
Wow that PCB section is intense.
It's a good thing that alps doesn't have legs like cherry does or it would probably have been impossible to make that work.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #406 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 11:33:52 »
Have you ever tried an ErgoDox?

No I didn't.
Layout is too much for me, I'm sure I cannot use any other keyboards after I adapted to Ergodox. that's why I didn't tried it.
It's near perfect. So afraid  :-[

I agree, that is why I used and then abandoned the ErgoDox as my work didn't allow me to always carry a mech board with me and had to use my laptop's keyboard and the different layout just screwed up my typing. This is why I started the TS65 project, coincidentally, quite similar to yours:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79161 (Shameless plug :P)

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #407 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 12:00:29 »
Ah, you guys :)
OK, I'll explain the detail.

First, when I say CapsLock, it's "the switch in capslock position", since you know, it's custom keyboard.
You can map any key there, I use CapsLock/Fn Layer Dual Action key.
(You saw my video, I change LED mode with capslock + another key, when hit once, it's caps lock, when typed with another key, it's Fn layer key. simple and useful.)
Somebody uses the position as Ctrl, (like HHKB)
So, it's not about key "function" , it's "position" matter.

When it comes to alps, position -REALLY- matters. Because of slim keycap choice option.
And CapsLock, Row3 1.75u Keycap.
Vintage CherryMX stem position is 1.25u (stepped capslock keycap), OEM MX stem position is 1.75u.
At this point, no problem.
But additional vintage Alps keycaps like AT101, SGI the stem makes it a lot complicated, it's at "1.5u" position.

It's not a problem if Vergo type.T-II PCB is designed only for Alps and another version of MX.
But it is combo-compatible. So yes, really is a problem.
When you place 1.25 MX + 1.25 Alps + 1.5 Alps + 1.75 MX + 1.75 Alps for one switch, the pads stick together in one big chunk of pad. 1.5 Alps pads makes bridge of all pads. So, it cannot be "switch".
Anyway, I just cracked this problem out. not delicate but yeh, it will works.
It looks like this.
Show Image


This can be a good news for those who planned to use AT101 keycaps for this PCB.

So will we be able to mix MX and ALPS?
If so that's awesome.
I thought they would need separate plates?
          
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #408 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 12:08:22 »
Have you ever tried an ErgoDox?

No I didn't.
Layout is too much for me, I'm sure I cannot use any other keyboards after I adapted to Ergodox. that's why I didn't tried it.
It's near perfect. So afraid  :-[

I agree, that is why I used and then abandoned the ErgoDox as my work didn't allow me to always carry a mech board with me and had to use my laptop's keyboard and the different layout just screwed up my typing. This is why I started the TS65 project, coincidentally, quite similar to yours:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79161 (Shameless plug :P)

I'm watching TS65 thread, it's amazing!
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #409 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 12:09:15 »
Ah, you guys :)
OK, I'll explain the detail.

First, when I say CapsLock, it's "the switch in capslock position", since you know, it's custom keyboard.
You can map any key there, I use CapsLock/Fn Layer Dual Action key.
(You saw my video, I change LED mode with capslock + another key, when hit once, it's caps lock, when typed with another key, it's Fn layer key. simple and useful.)
Somebody uses the position as Ctrl, (like HHKB)
So, it's not about key "function" , it's "position" matter.

When it comes to alps, position -REALLY- matters. Because of slim keycap choice option.
And CapsLock, Row3 1.75u Keycap.
Vintage CherryMX stem position is 1.25u (stepped capslock keycap), OEM MX stem position is 1.75u.
At this point, no problem.
But additional vintage Alps keycaps like AT101, SGI the stem makes it a lot complicated, it's at "1.5u" position.

It's not a problem if Vergo type.T-II PCB is designed only for Alps and another version of MX.
But it is combo-compatible. So yes, really is a problem.
When you place 1.25 MX + 1.25 Alps + 1.5 Alps + 1.75 MX + 1.75 Alps for one switch, the pads stick together in one big chunk of pad. 1.5 Alps pads makes bridge of all pads. So, it cannot be "switch".
Anyway, I just cracked this problem out. not delicate but yeh, it will works.
It looks like this.
Show Image


This can be a good news for those who planned to use AT101 keycaps for this PCB.

So will we be able to mix MX and ALPS?
If so that's awesome.
I thought they would need separate plates?
Yes exactly, custom-custom plate needed.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #410 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 12:09:35 »
The pcb will be able to use both MX and ALPS.
However, due to limitations with how alps switches are mounted, the plates will not be universal.

Alps switches are plate mount only and do not have anything underneath them that allows them to be fixed to the PCB directly unlike MX switches.
This means that alps switches must have very discrete mounting positions in order to have adequate stability.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #411 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 13:17:07 »
Ah, you guys :)
OK, I'll explain the detail.

First, when I say CapsLock, it's "the switch in capslock position", since you know, it's custom keyboard.
You can map any key there, I use CapsLock/Fn Layer Dual Action key.
(You saw my video, I change LED mode with capslock + another key, when hit once, it's caps lock, when typed with another key, it's Fn layer key. simple and useful.)
Somebody uses the position as Ctrl, (like HHKB)
So, it's not about key "function" , it's "position" matter.

When it comes to alps, position -REALLY- matters. Because of slim keycap choice option.
And CapsLock, Row3 1.75u Keycap.
Vintage CherryMX stem position is 1.25u (stepped capslock keycap), OEM MX stem position is 1.75u.
At this point, no problem.
But additional vintage Alps keycaps like AT101, SGI the stem makes it a lot complicated, it's at "1.5u" position.

It's not a problem if Vergo type.T-II PCB is designed only for Alps and another version of MX.
But it is combo-compatible. So yes, really is a problem.
When you place 1.25 MX + 1.25 Alps + 1.5 Alps + 1.75 MX + 1.75 Alps for one switch, the pads stick together in one big chunk of pad. 1.5 Alps pads makes bridge of all pads. So, it cannot be "switch".
Anyway, I just cracked this problem out. not delicate but yeh, it will works.
It looks like this.
Show Image


This can be a good news for those who planned to use AT101 keycaps for this PCB.

This is flippin awesome.  Great problem solving, and it will be awesome for buyers to have the flexibility that this design allows.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #412 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 13:28:32 »
Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #413 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 13:31:46 »
Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

No avatar?

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« Reply #414 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 13:32:34 »
Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

No avatar?

was getting a little sick of it haha.  Maybe i'll pick somethign new soon

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #415 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 13:50:19 »
Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

No avatar?

was getting a little sick of it haha.  Maybe i'll pick somethign new soon

No avatar club!

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #416 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 13:57:18 »

Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

No avatar?

was getting a little sick of it haha.  Maybe i'll pick somethign new soon

No avatar club!

But there is an avatar for having no avatar.... It might as well be club default avatar.

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« Reply #417 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 14:40:40 »


Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

No avatar?

was getting a little sick of it haha.  Maybe i'll pick somethign new soon

No avatar club!

But there is an avatar for having no avatar.... It might as well be club default avatar.

You're not in it !

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #418 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 14:40:58 »


Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

No avatar?

was getting a little sick of it haha.  Maybe i'll pick somethign new soon

No avatar club!

But there is an avatar for having no avatar.... It might as well be club default avatar.

You're not in it !

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #419 on: Fri, 12 February 2016, 19:06:16 »
This keyboard is like the mechanical Korean custom version of what I'm currently using at work:

Show Image


Actually, I have two FreeStyle.
When I design VE series, a adopted a lot features from it.
I wanted a mechanical keyboard, split, with similar layout.
Kinesis Freestyle is the best ready-made keyboard I have ever used.

Have you ever tried an ErgoDox?

No I didn't.
Layout is too much for me, I'm sure I cannot use any other keyboards after I adapted to Ergodox. that's why I didn't tried it.
It's near perfect. So afraid  :-[
As someone who used an ergodox briefly (a friend of mine owns/built it) it's super easy to transfer between it and regular boards! The only difficulty is pressing spacebar when you meant to hit backspace, once you've gotten used to the ergodox. Other than that, it's a really easy board to learn/use!

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #420 on: Sat, 13 February 2016, 12:19:12 »
still dreaming about this.  So sexy :thumb:

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #421 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 05:44:56 »
I don't know man after watching that video I need to join this Gb when its up  :p

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #422 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 01:06:35 »
hi keyboard free for all

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #423 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 01:29:05 »
Yeah I need this board I would 100% join if this GB is open for everybody else!

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #424 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 01:40:47 »
Yeah I need this board I would 100% join if this GB is open for everybody else!

Just dont steal mine Pepe franku

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« Reply #425 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 01:50:46 »
Yeah I need this board I would 100% join if this GB is open for everybody else!

Just dont steal mine Pepe franku
papa franku gonna steal all yo board!

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #426 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:21:02 »
My team is planning GB after holiday.
At this time, not much change from previous plan, but limitation of quantity can be much higher.
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
We have only few(but big) things to settle or solve.
Now, the biggist issue is
Money-collecting...  some friends warned me, my PP account can be locked when I try to withdraw certain amount money from it.
And to unlock that I have to send shipping receipt or something to PP as proof of transaction. but you know, I cannot do that.
I must pay factories for production before I get product. So, no shipping receipt...
I have no idea how I can fix this problem.
Any suggestion?
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #427 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:22:42 »
Glad to hear there will be more made :thumb:

Hopefully someone can come up with a solution to the money collecting situation

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #428 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:29:52 »
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
This cracked me up!

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #429 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:32:41 »
My team is planning GB after holiday.
At this time, not much change from previous plan, but limitation of quantity can be much higher.
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
We have only few(but big) things to settle or solve.
Now, the biggist issue is
Money-collecting...  some friends warned me, my PP account can be locked when I try to withdraw certain amount money from it.
And to unlock that I have to send shipping receipt or something to PP as proof of transaction. but you know, I cannot do that.
I must pay factories for production before I get product. So, no shipping receipt...
I have no idea how I can fix this problem.
Any suggestion?
yes yes yes bro! 100 board yes!

I think you could use a method that ctrl alt io uses?

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #430 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:45:03 »
My team is planning GB after holiday.
At this time, not much change from previous plan, but limitation of quantity can be much higher.
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
We have only few(but big) things to settle or solve.
Now, the biggist issue is
Money-collecting...  some friends warned me, my PP account can be locked when I try to withdraw certain amount money from it.
And to unlock that I have to send shipping receipt or something to PP as proof of transaction. but you know, I cannot do that.
I must pay factories for production before I get product. So, no shipping receipt...
I have no idea how I can fix this problem.
Any suggestion?

I think setting up a site with something like stripe for payments would be the solution
« Last Edit: Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:49:51 by swimmingbird »

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #431 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:48:33 »
There is an option for extra pcb and plate right? if not its ok tho

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #432 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:56:50 »
...
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
...
This is great news.
I reckon this will grant a window of five minutes (up from five seconds) before orders are closed.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #433 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 03:04:17 »
Bitcoin? Hahahha then everyone will be scrambling trying to figure out how to get some.....meanwhile, I will get a board for sure! Hahahah

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #434 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 05:32:08 »
I think you could use a method that ctrl alt io uses?

I think setting up a site with something like stripe for payments would be the solution

Setting up a web-site is good solution.
Man... I have to program website at home too!
I program website all day at work.  :'(
Hmm... option is just an option :) I'll think about it.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #435 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 08:10:02 »
Zefyr, I'd echo what swimmingbird is saying - you could just use one of those pre-built sites and just modify it for taking orders. Shouldn't be that big of  a pain. That being said - I completely understand the frustration of never getting to leave work at... work!

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« Reply #436 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 08:35:50 »
Good to hear updates!  I seriously love this board. It is amazing!

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #437 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 10:41:07 »
My team is planning GB after holiday.
At this time, not much change from previous plan, but limitation of quantity can be much higher.
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
We have only few(but big) things to settle or solve.
Now, the biggist issue is
Money-collecting...  some friends warned me, my PP account can be locked when I try to withdraw certain amount money from it.
And to unlock that I have to send shipping receipt or something to PP as proof of transaction. but you know, I cannot do that.
I must pay factories for production before I get product. So, no shipping receipt...
I have no idea how I can fix this problem.
Any suggestion?

I believe if you contact Paypal and notify them about your plans should solve the problem. I think they freeze accounts when there is an unexpected influx of money coming in.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #438 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 12:16:16 »
Really interested in this. Thanks for all your work, zefyr!
   

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #439 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 14:44:40 »
My team is planning GB after holiday.
At this time, not much change from previous plan, but limitation of quantity can be much higher.
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
We have only few(but big) things to settle or solve.
Now, the biggist issue is
Money-collecting...  some friends warned me, my PP account can be locked when I try to withdraw certain amount money from it.
And to unlock that I have to send shipping receipt or something to PP as proof of transaction. but you know, I cannot do that.
I must pay factories for production before I get product. So, no shipping receipt...
I have no idea how I can fix this problem.
Any suggestion?
Google wallet should work. After some legwork, google wallet requires a US bank account too. :(

To everyone echoing stripe - it's not launched in SK yet.

Zefyr - After holiday meaning after march 1? So excited!
« Last Edit: Mon, 15 February 2016, 18:40:37 by hkf »

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #440 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 14:46:34 »
So, sorry if this already got answered, but will there be an option to just buy a PCB?
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #441 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 17:10:12 »
So, sorry if this already got answered, but will there be an option to just buy a PCB?

IIRC you can buy more than 1 but not only a PCB.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #442 on: Tue, 16 February 2016, 00:37:21 »
Thanks for all advices :)
I'll check PP for this issue and step ahead.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #443 on: Tue, 16 February 2016, 00:37:50 »
So, sorry if this already got answered, but will there be an option to just buy a PCB?
No solid plan yet.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #444 on: Tue, 16 February 2016, 00:38:14 »
Can't wait to see who get's on the list of jebus and gets a chance to get on of these dank keyboards :D

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #445 on: Tue, 16 February 2016, 01:46:00 »
I just called PayPal customer center and got very disappointing answer for my issue.

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Question :
I changed by PP account to business account, and I will send invoices amount of 400~450USD for 100 peoples within 7 days.
I'll withdraw whole money in once.
My friends warned me PP will lock my account, so I cannot withdraw money. PP will release my account after I send proof of transaction of goods like shipping tracking number.
In this case, I have to pay factory for production. So, no goods nor shipping tracking number, I'll be dead-locked.
Is there any way to prevent this situation?

Answer :
No.
If you want use PP for business, you must have seed-money for production.
For example if you want to sell 70USD worth of goods, your seed money have to be over 200USD.

Question :
What you are saying is PP cannot be used for funding?
I must have actual merchandise before sending invoice?

Answer :
PP cannot be used for funding purpose.
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Is this true???????????????????????
What's the point about business account than??????????
Damn, I'm so angry now.

Man... what should I do now...

Can I sell "GroupBuy Entry Certification" as a electronic-goods?
ZeFyr "Vermillion" J.

Vergo type.T / alpetit / alpetit II / VE.A with Vergo type.T-II

Offline hkf

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #446 on: Tue, 16 February 2016, 01:53:49 »
I just called PayPal customer center and got very disappointing answer for my issue.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Question :
I changed by PP account to business account, and I will send invoices amount of 400~450USD for 100 peoples within 7 days.
I'll withdraw whole money in once.
My friends warned me PP will lock my account, so I cannot withdraw money. PP will release my account after I send proof of transaction of goods like shipping tracking number.
In this case, I have to pay factory for production. So, no goods nor shipping tracking number, I'll be dead-locked.
Is there any way to prevent this situation?

Answer :
No.
If you want use PP for business, you must have seed-money for production.
For example if you want to sell 70USD worth of goods, your seed money have to be over 200USD.

Question :
What you are saying is PP cannot be used for funding?
I must have actual merchandise before sending invoice?

Answer :
PP cannot be used for funding purpose.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Is this true???????????????????????
What's the point about business account than??????????
Damn, I'm so angry now.

Man... what should I do now...

Can I sell "GroupBuy Entry Certification" as a electronic-goods?

https://deskthority.net/off-topic-f10/how-to-collect-money-with-paypal-and-avoid-problems-t7312.html

The important part, repeated here:

Only accept money paid for a service. This is really important. Reject any payments that are marked as being paid for purchased goods. If you look in PayPal at the transaction and see a drop-down list where you can mark the payment as shipped, reject the payment.

IMO, as a service is a perfectly accurate description of what you are offering (service as go-between for manufacturer and consumer), so paypal shouldn't have any issue with this.

Alternatively, use bitcoin for this... but give people some time to gather the bitcoin before announcing it.
« Last Edit: Tue, 16 February 2016, 01:58:15 by hkf »

Offline zennasyndroxx

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #447 on: Tue, 16 February 2016, 02:02:51 »
even then, selling the bitcoins could be an issue. depending on where you're from i guess.

what about sites like gofundme or kickstarter?

Offline hkf

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #448 on: Tue, 16 February 2016, 02:04:10 »
even then, selling the bitcoins could be an issue. depending on where you're from i guess.

what about sites like gofundme or kickstarter?

Both are the same, they will paypal you money. Paypal sees large incoming funds, paypal will kneejerk. Google 'paypal kickstarter freeze' or whatever to see some examples. Looks like kickstarter switched to stripe, which is unfortunately not supported in SK.
« Last Edit: Tue, 16 February 2016, 02:07:29 by hkf »

Offline yuktsi

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #449 on: Tue, 16 February 2016, 02:13:27 »
I just called PayPal customer center and got very disappointing answer for my issue.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Question :
I changed by PP account to business account, and I will send invoices amount of 400~450USD for 100 peoples within 7 days.
I'll withdraw whole money in once.
My friends warned me PP will lock my account, so I cannot withdraw money. PP will release my account after I send proof of transaction of goods like shipping tracking number.
In this case, I have to pay factory for production. So, no goods nor shipping tracking number, I'll be dead-locked.
Is there any way to prevent this situation?

Answer :
No.
If you want use PP for business, you must have seed-money for production.
For example if you want to sell 70USD worth of goods, your seed money have to be over 200USD.

Question :
What you are saying is PP cannot be used for funding?
I must have actual merchandise before sending invoice?

Answer :
PP cannot be used for funding purpose.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Is this true???????????????????????
What's the point about business account than??????????
Damn, I'm so angry now.

Man... what should I do now...

Can I sell "GroupBuy Entry Certification" as a electronic-goods?

I had experience in handling ~30*$400+ orders. And i had no problem with the money withdraw. When then incoming fund reaches certain limit, paypal will prompt you to submit your personal details... to get your account verified or something. Sometimes paypal will also call you to ask about the transactions and also to offer you a better paypal rate for the following month.

Perhaps you can send out the invoices by stages. Let me know if you need any help with running the groupbuy.
email: yuktsi@ttggrr.cc

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