Post by: wixxzblu on Sun, 09 September 2018, 11:58:34
- I've had this idea for an improved 40% layout in my head since December of last year, and ive finally enmassed the experience needed to create my own case for such a layout.
- I present to you the Lynx L50, a 45% keyboard with all the must have alphas, no compromises made to make the layout smaller in any way.
The case is inspired by the iKBC MF87 in many ways, but i increased the size of the top piece and increased the angle to a comfortable 7 degree.
The name comes from the beautiful lynx cat that roams the woods of Sweden, specifically the woods around where i live.
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- The layout supports both 7u and 2.25 + 2.75 split spacebar since i have tried to keep the plate from becoming a mess.
There is also the option for an HHKB and normal top.
I increased the profile to 7.5mm to make sure they cover the keycaps but still make space for the full travel of a flipped spacebar.
I know this is important for many of you.
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- The keycaps needed for this layout/case are 40% keys found in the base kits of laser and red samurai, and of course in the usual 40% keycap kits(specifically, R2 ESC, R2 backspace, R3 1.25 Tab, R3 1.75 Enter).
- The PCB will support both MX and SMK switches, and thus no in switch LED. The SMK 2nd gen MX white clicky is an excellent switch that ive recently fallen in love with.
The PCB will hopefully be made by a known pcb maker in the community, but its still TBA. The case is designed with a centered USB type-C for now.
- So what do i plan in the future for this case when it comes to the GB? I've been thinking of incorporating pcb mount cutouts in the top of the case to give the option for you to create a top mounted pcb only build (for those of you who like the feel of a plateless build).
This will of course require more work to the case for me and the pcb maker, but im sure its possible, and would be a first in the mk community.
For the bottom piece, i would love to give the option for both full brass or Polycarbonate as depicted in the renders.
Im working on a 3d printed prototype, since i dont want to commit fully to a cnc prototype if the reception was cold. I will update the IC whenever the first prototype is done!
- I will try to reach out to EVE or ALF to have them make this case, so its made by someone reputable in the community.
PRICE: TBA
FEATURES:
- 7.5mm profile
- 7 degree angle
- 18mm front height
- 7.5mm uniform top bezel
- MX & SMK switch compatability
- QMK
- aluminium, brass and polycarbonate plate & bottom material
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Post by: wixxzblu on Sun, 09 September 2018, 11:59:38
Update 2018-09-09 Added strawpoll for Logo typeface!
http://www.strawpoll.me/16427658 (http://www.strawpoll.me/16427658)
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UPDATE 2018-9-12: As the poll shows, we will drop the need for any kind of logo, we'll just keep the case as clean as possible.
UPDATE 2018-9-13: Added 2.25 + 2.75 split spacebar and 2.25 R-shift compatability
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Post by: dimo on Sun, 09 September 2018, 12:00:45
Post by: donut_sauce on Sun, 09 September 2018, 12:15:39
Not a huge fan of the type treatment for the "lynx L50" though. I'd love to see some other options.
Post by: Dead Encryption on Sun, 09 September 2018, 12:18:28
Post by: russthebus27 on Sun, 09 September 2018, 12:26:14
Post by: wixxzblu on Sun, 09 September 2018, 12:26:41
I really like this! Big fan of the layout, as a Pearl owner I sometimes miss some of those keys that this layout adds back in . If this comes with a QMK PCB I'm definitely in.
Not a huge fan of the type treatment for the "lynx L50" though. I'd love to see some other options.
PCB will definitely have QMK and underglow suppport.
Added strawpoll for logo typeface in the reserved/IC post.
Post by: donut_sauce on Sun, 09 September 2018, 12:32:47
PCB will definitely have QMK and underglow suppport.:thumb: :thumb:
Post by: RSC on Sun, 09 September 2018, 13:48:34
Post by: fcoury on Sun, 09 September 2018, 15:06:30
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 09 September 2018, 15:31:11
But, I really like the concept and design. I voted Russo one in the straw poll.
I would prefer something around 5 of 6 degrees incline, but your specific number of 7.3 leads me to believe that is an important feature to you personally.
Post by: wixxzblu on Sun, 09 September 2018, 15:45:56
flipped space bars are for monsters who rest their palms on the desk and wish to get rsi as quckly as possible. :p
But, I really like the concept and design. I voted Russo one in the straw poll.
I would prefer something around 5 of 6 degrees incline, but your specific number of 7.3 leads me to believe that is an important feature to you personally.
I think 5 degree is not enough and 8 degree is too much for some, so i decided on 7.3 as a middle ground.
Post by: Hokabuki on Sun, 09 September 2018, 16:17:22
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Post by: SomePunkassKid on Sun, 09 September 2018, 18:27:59
I've heard that there are more sets coming out that have 3u, but aside from super specific minila/SA sets I don't see them often.
Personally would feel more comfortable with a 2.75, 1.25, 2.25 but I understand the limitations without making the pcb/plate a mess.
I have a similar set up 45% that I love so i'd def be in for sure.
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Post by: axcoping@gmail.com on Sun, 09 September 2018, 19:31:08
I'd also seriously consider dropping the additional weight altogether. a good set of feet can make the board stable without the need for it. besides- that would fit your lynx concept better- a small keyboard that is light, portable, and stable-footed.
Post by: azulyf on Sun, 09 September 2018, 21:19:50
I'm very interested in this. Although, I do have concerns over the 3u split spacebar usage.
I've heard that there are more sets coming out that have 3u, but aside from super specific minila/SA sets I don't see them often.
Personally would feel more comfortable with a 2.75, 1.25, 2.25 but I understand the limitations without making the pcb/plate a mess.
I have a similar set up 45% that I love so i'd def be in for sure.
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On same boat. I came out with this layout similar to OP's one.
https://imgur.com/pGvg3st
Post by: young_won on Sun, 09 September 2018, 21:45:46
Post by: young_won on Sun, 09 September 2018, 21:47:12
I'm very interested in this. Although, I do have concerns over the 3u split spacebar usage.
I've heard that there are more sets coming out that have 3u, but aside from super specific minila/SA sets I don't see them often.
Personally would feel more comfortable with a 2.75, 1.25, 2.25 but I understand the limitations without making the pcb/plate a mess.
I have a similar set up 45% that I love so i'd def be in for sure.
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On same boat. I came out with this layout similar to OP's one.
https://imgur.com/pGvg3st
i agree with you
Post by: THRILLHOIAF on Sun, 09 September 2018, 21:48:31
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Post by: glubazoid on Sun, 09 September 2018, 22:00:58
Post by: gilmoregrills on Mon, 10 September 2018, 06:37:30
rip tmo50
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in the absence of that GB for the time being, I'm defs interested in this!
Post by: mushubanane on Mon, 10 September 2018, 07:48:02
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Post by: Aerizu on Mon, 10 September 2018, 08:42:43
Maybe something like this? [1.5u - 1u - 1.5u - 2.25u - 2.75u - 1.5u - 1u - 1u -1.5u]
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And with 1.5u corner blockers [1u - 1.5u - 2.25u - 2.75u - 1.5u - 1u - 1u]
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;D ;D ;D
Post by: Hokabuki on Mon, 10 September 2018, 08:46:18
Definitely interested, but is the layout support final? Those bottom rows are rather odd for a near 40% board, specially the split-spacebar bottom row.The split space with 3u is a little progressive. considering there aren’t many sets that support it yet. I really like the WKL bottom row though. As long as your proposed layouts don’t interfere with that I’m good.
Maybe something like this?
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And with 1.5u corner blockers
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;D ;D ;D
Post by: wixxzblu on Mon, 10 September 2018, 08:47:55
Definitely interested, but is the layout support final? Those bottom rows are rather odd for a near 40% board, specially the split-spacebar bottom row.
Maybe something like this? [1.5u - 1u - 1.5u - 2.25u - 2.75u - 1.5u - 1u - 1u -1.5u]
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And with 1.5u corner blockers [1u - 1.5u - 2.25u - 2.75u - 1.5u - 1u - 1u]
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;D ;D ;D
I have thought about those layout options as well, but they really add to a swiss chease plate as well not being symetric. 2.25 + 2.75 is pretty **** imo, because your litteraly using blank shift caps which is not convex
I'm very interested in this. Although, I do have concerns over the 3u split spacebar usage.
I've heard that there are more sets coming out that have 3u, but aside from super specific minila/SA sets I don't see them often.
Personally would feel more comfortable with a 2.75, 1.25, 2.25 but I understand the limitations without making the pcb/plate a mess.
I have a similar set up 45% that I love so i'd def be in for sure.
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3u spacebars have some very nice advantages over the 2.25 + 2.75 combo. First off, they're convex , they also fit better centered inside a 7u space span.
You can find 3u spacebars in all the newer epbt sets like, 9009 and BoW, there are also 3u spacebars in some XDA sets.
this looks great. hopefully the simplified pcb and limited layout options means it can be priced a little more accessibly.
I'd also seriously consider dropping the additional weight altogether. a good set of feet can make the board stable without the need for it. besides- that would fit your lynx concept better- a small keyboard that is light, portable, and stable-footed.
I hear you! I will try to make this as cheap as possible considering its a very small keyboard. A weight would add to the cost, as well as engravings so those ideas are still up in the air.
would be sweet if the weight had like a lynx head outline and a stylized number 50 inside of itShow Image(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTA0BDsn6n-CSoOcfqs-tor4nkkaG6iZeSrgjK5wRXSazfMiOom)
I will definitely take this into consideration if i design a weight.
Post by: gilmoregrills on Mon, 10 September 2018, 09:55:52
I hear you! I will try to make this as cheap as possible considering its a very small keyboard. A weight would add to the cost, as well as engravings so those ideas are still up in the air.
The weight could be an optional feature for those that want it? Even with nice feet, I still like my boards to be nice and heavy ^-^
Post by: Visionaire on Mon, 10 September 2018, 10:10:42
Post by: wixxzblu on Mon, 10 September 2018, 12:35:31
Been working on the logo and typeface today, is this something you would like or should we just keep it clean and save on cost? Lodjur is the swedish name for lynx and it can be changed at any time.
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Added strawpoll.
https://www.strawpoll.me/16433918
Post by: dimo on Mon, 10 September 2018, 16:33:12
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Post by: wixxzblu on Tue, 11 September 2018, 12:14:08
Any price estimate?
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No price estimate just now, because it uses a custom pcb, i have get quote on that as well.
Post by: SteffeMK on Tue, 11 September 2018, 12:42:17
Where is the case being manufactured?Any price estimate?
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Post by: beekey on Wed, 12 September 2018, 00:50:58
Definitely interested, but is the layout support final? Those bottom rows are rather odd for a near 40% board, specially the split-spacebar bottom row.I was about to suggest the same. Finding two 3u spacekeys is hard for many sets. The 2.25 and 2.75 can be found more often, or can be reused shift keys. Would help with putting nice keysets on it. Would love to see the first variant supported.
Maybe something like this? [1.5u - 1u - 1.5u - 2.25u - 2.75u - 1.5u - 1u - 1u -1.5u]
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And with 1.5u corner blockers [1u - 1.5u - 2.25u - 2.75u - 1.5u - 1u - 1u]
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;D ;D ;D
Post by: wixxzblu on Wed, 12 September 2018, 06:50:16
Where is the case being manufactured?Any price estimate?
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No price estimate just now, because it uses a custom pcb, i have get quote on that as well.
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The factory has not been decided yet but i have a few in mind.
Definitely interested, but is the layout support final? Those bottom rows are rather odd for a near 40% board, specially the split-spacebar bottom row.I was about to suggest the same. Finding two 3u spacekeys is hard for many sets. The 2.25 and 2.75 can be found more often, or can be reused shift keys. Would help with putting nice keysets on it. Would love to see the first variant supported.
Maybe something like this? [1.5u - 1u - 1.5u - 2.25u - 2.75u - 1.5u - 1u - 1u -1.5u]
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And with 1.5u corner blockers [1u - 1.5u - 2.25u - 2.75u - 1.5u - 1u - 1u]
(Attachment Link)
;D ;D ;D
as you wrote, 1 - 1.5 - 2.25 - 2.75 - 1.5 - 1 -1 is hard to fit inside a 7u spacebar bottom row without making the plate & pcb into a swiss cheese. it also ruin the symetric look im going for. 3u will be more and more accessible.
UPDATE 2018-9-12: As the poll shows, we will drop the need for any kind of logo, we'll just keep the case as clean as possible.
Post by: wixxzblu on Wed, 12 September 2018, 15:10:11
I also added support for 2.25 R-shift, please tell me what you think!
Post by: SteffeMK on Wed, 12 September 2018, 15:39:11
Ive been modifying the layout based on feedback. I feel we could drop the 3u split spacebar support in favor of 2.25 + 2.75 combo. I came up with what i think, still keeps the nice symmetry of the bottom row, but still add the functionality of split spacebar. Thumb position has also been considered for this new layout.What I like about this is that there is a possibility for åäö, unlike other 40% boards.
I also added support for 2.25 R-shift, please tell me what you think!
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Post by: SomePunkassKid on Wed, 12 September 2018, 16:12:16
Ive been modifying the layout based on feedback. I feel we could drop the 3u split spacebar support in favor of 2.25 + 2.75 combo. I came up with what i think, still keeps the nice symmetry of the bottom row, but still add the functionality of split spacebar. Thumb position has also been considered for this new layout.
I also added support for 2.25 R-shift, please tell me what you think!
I really like the solution you came up with for the space bars. The end product looks kickass!
Post by: Hokabuki on Wed, 12 September 2018, 19:03:04
Post by: beekey on Thu, 13 September 2018, 00:06:47
Ive been modifying the layout based on feedback. I feel we could drop the 3u split spacebar support in favor of 2.25 + 2.75 combo. I came up with what i think, still keeps the nice symmetry of the bottom row, but still add the functionality of split spacebar. Thumb position has also been considered for this new layout.Very nice! Looking forward to the GB. :)
I also added support for 2.25 R-shift, please tell me what you think!
Post by: gilmoregrills on Thu, 13 September 2018, 02:39:11
Post by: lasernasaur on Thu, 13 September 2018, 04:28:08
Post by: RehnMan on Thu, 13 September 2018, 10:34:44
Very nice work! I am going to keep an eye on this as it might finally be the answer to my desires!
Take a look, what do you think?
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Post by: wixxzblu on Thu, 13 September 2018, 12:57:52
This is very similar to a concept I dreamed up a while back. Basically the exact same except a different bottom row. I loved this concept but could not find anything that was capable of it and I was not prepare to undertake making one or starting a group buy.
Very nice work! I am going to keep an eye on this as it might finally be the answer to my desires!
Take a look, what do you think?
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ive seen this layout been thrown around. It has better keycap compatability, but its wider and looks a bit off with those large keys for a 40%.
Post by: RehnMan on Fri, 14 September 2018, 10:58:19
Post by: odd on Fri, 14 September 2018, 19:00:32
Post by: OkKarma on Sat, 15 September 2018, 07:03:53
Post by: wixxzblu on Sat, 15 September 2018, 07:17:00
This board has me very interested. The layout sacrifices almost nothing. I’ll be keeping a close eye on this.
This is a very smart and outstanding design. Hopefully it gets to GB soon, so I can get off these anxiety pills!
I really like the solution you came up with for the space bars. The end product looks kickass!
Very interested. Coming from a planck, this would suit my learned layer automatisms perfectly.
What I like about this is that there is a possibility for åäö, unlike other 40% boards.
Love the new split space layout! Much as I'd like for 3u spacebars to work be more common and work with it, it's cool to get more base kit compatibility :thumb:
EU proxy and I will throw the money at this. :)
Thanks for all the great support guys, EU proxy is already fixed since i live in Sweden, I need to fix US proxy unless the chinese factory can QC and send out directly from them, like ALF factory does it.
Still waiting on PCB guy to get a window for my PCB.
Estimated weight for all brass options is 1.8Kg, all aluminum is 740g and all polycarbonate option is 450g.
Post by: SteffeMK on Sat, 15 September 2018, 07:22:19
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Post by: wixxzblu on Fri, 21 September 2018, 20:25:38
Big fan of 40% keyboard. Add brass weights and make it wireless, please.
Brass bottom piece will be an option, that will give the board a weight of atleast 1.8Kg :eek:
oof this looks really good.
Thanks for the support!
Post by: biip on Sat, 22 September 2018, 15:05:07
Post by: lasernasaur on Sun, 23 September 2018, 05:34:46
Post by: mike-y on Mon, 24 September 2018, 00:09:31
*watching closely*
Post by: RivieraS on Sun, 30 September 2018, 20:16:41
Post by: wixxzblu on Sun, 30 September 2018, 20:18:55
when are you taking our money?
Alright, I’m in. Really nice project!
Wow, a compact layout that is actually completely usable (for me anyway). I have a hard time using 40% keyboards that are missing the punctuation keys on the right side.
*watching closely*
Cant wait
I hear you guys! Still waiting for the pcb to be made :))
Post by: beekey on Sat, 27 October 2018, 05:36:24
Post by: wixxzblu on Sat, 27 October 2018, 05:46:05
Will there be an option for a top with WKL blockers?
Yes
Post by: fireworm on Sat, 27 October 2018, 10:41:46
Post by: RivieraS on Sat, 27 October 2018, 12:30:30
Post by: beekey on Sat, 27 October 2018, 13:31:51
Uiii, nice. I will keep an eye on this one. :thumb:Will there be an option for a top with WKL blockers?
Yes
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sat, 10 November 2018, 21:46:43
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Post by: hothotdreamboi on Sun, 11 November 2018, 00:26:23
Post by: Artemie on Mon, 12 November 2018, 05:03:30
Quote
NE ISO AVAIL
FR tho, I want one for the memes
Post by: William_S_Jones on Tue, 13 November 2018, 17:39:21
How has this question not been asked yetQuoteNE ISO AVAIL
FR tho, I want one for the memes
I want an Iso 40 - 50%, please make this happen, OP.
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Post by: CrazyNun on Wed, 14 November 2018, 18:34:25
Post by: wixxzblu on Sun, 18 November 2018, 10:45:49
For sure in on this one. Looks ****ing pretty!
Am i too late for this GB?
I love this concept, I’m interested & hope it becomes a reality!
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Thanks for the support guys, the pcb is still in the making, and no you have not missed the GB just yet.
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sun, 18 November 2018, 11:36:51
For sure in on this one. Looks ****ing pretty!Am i too late for this GB?I love this concept, I’m interested & hope it becomes a reality!
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Thanks for the support guys, the pcb is still in the making, and no you have not missed the GB just yet.
Will an Iso option possible? Only asking b/c it will draw even more to you GB b/c as of now, an Iso40% still isn’t a reality.
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Post by: wixxzblu on Sun, 18 November 2018, 11:40:45
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sun, 18 November 2018, 11:43:32
There is no iso support becuase you can't fit backspace above an Iso enter on a 40%.Darn, was worth a try....
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Post by: mrpetrov on Sun, 18 November 2018, 15:10:24
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Post by: Jkshowman on Tue, 20 November 2018, 08:25:57
Post by: snelltrail on Wed, 21 November 2018, 15:50:26
Us non-qwerty users often miss out with these smaller (e.g. 40%) staggered boards, but this has us covered, plus useful punctuation keys. (Ok, except for caps lock -> backspace, but I can live with that on a smaller board.)
I really like a hefty board so those brass options are looking :thumb:
Any idea about colors yet?
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 21 November 2018, 17:10:53
Love everything about this. Definitely in for one.
Us non-qwerty users often miss out with these smaller (e.g. 40%) staggered boards, but this has us covered, plus useful punctuation keys. (Ok, except for caps lock -> backspace, but I can live with that on a smaller board.)
I really like a hefty board so those brass options are looking :thumb:
Any idea about colors yet?
I like that it appeals to US layouts too. I’m more inclined for this staggered 40%+ MKB than the other.
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Post by: MMKB on Sat, 01 December 2018, 02:25:16
Ive been modifying the layout based on feedback. I feel we could drop the 3u split spacebar support in favor of 2.25 + 2.75 combo. I came up with what i think, still keeps the nice symmetry of the bottom row, but still add the functionality of split spacebar. Thumb position has also been considered for this new layout.
I also added support for 2.25 R-shift, please tell me what you think!
Quite amazing.
One small thing to compensate for the narrow looking layout imo: have you considered wider front and rear bezels? The result would be an overall less prolonged shape.
Post by: wixxzblu on Sat, 01 December 2018, 08:58:54
Ive been modifying the layout based on feedback. I feel we could drop the 3u split spacebar support in favor of 2.25 + 2.75 combo. I came up with what i think, still keeps the nice symmetry of the bottom row, but still add the functionality of split spacebar. Thumb position has also been considered for this new layout.
I also added support for 2.25 R-shift, please tell me what you think!
Quite amazing.
One small thing to compensate for the narrow looking layout imo: have you considered wider front and rear bezels? The result would be an overall less prolonged shape.
I do have considered that, but it would take away from the inspiration board. I'm using that design element with my next board.
Post by: MMKB on Sat, 01 December 2018, 09:43:07
Post by: salasource on Tue, 04 December 2018, 04:36:04
Maybe there is a way to support 6.25 spacebar with 1.25-1.00-1.25-6.25-1.25-1.00-1.00-1.00?
And I must add that 2.25u right shift is definitely nice touch!
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 05 December 2018, 09:04:02
For me L50 this is ideal replacement for jd45!Yeah, I like it too. I also, feel the same about the 6.25U spacebar support.
Maybe there is a way to support 6.25 spacebar with 1.25-1.00-1.25-6.25-1.25-1.00-1.00-1.00?
And I must add that 2.25u right shift is definitely nice touch!
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Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 05 December 2018, 12:49:25
For me L50 this is ideal replacement for jd45!Yeah, I like it too. I also, feel the same about the 6.25U spacebar support.
Maybe there is a way to support 6.25 spacebar with 1.25-1.00-1.25-6.25-1.25-1.00-1.00-1.00?
And I must add that 2.25u right shift is definitely nice touch!
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Post by: tentboy on Wed, 05 December 2018, 13:48:27
For me L50 this is ideal replacement for jd45!
Maybe there is a way to support 6.25 spacebar with 1.25-1.00-1.25-6.25-1.25-1.00-1.00-1.00?
And I must add that 2.25u right shift is definitely nice touch!
same, would be very in a 6.25 spacebar option
Post by: wixxzblu on Wed, 05 December 2018, 14:19:50
Post by: tentboy on Wed, 05 December 2018, 14:41:17
6.25 will not be supported. SMK switches have the locking pins on the X axis, while Cherry have them on the Y axis, meaning if you swisscheese the plate too much they wont clip in at all. Its already a problem on the 7u spacebar switch and Rshift when using SMK switches.
understandable, still interested :)
Post by: Jkshowman on Fri, 07 December 2018, 13:00:06
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Post by: wixxzblu on Tue, 11 December 2018, 17:12:15
Any hopes in an acrylic plate option??
I will probably not offer acrylic plate no, im hoping to offer brass, aluminum and PC plate options.
I want this gb to start fast. :p
I want to try a smaller keyboard than my 65%, but didn't think I could go without some of the punctuation for programming. This looks like it solves that.
First PCB proto order have just been made, and im working on getting a quote for the case and plates from the factory. So we're on our way!
Post by: Jkshowman on Thu, 13 December 2018, 12:27:32
Post by: RivieraS on Thu, 20 December 2018, 22:33:29
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sat, 22 December 2018, 13:36:46
Post by: guiltless on Tue, 08 January 2019, 06:15:11
Post by: wixxzblu on Tue, 08 January 2019, 07:33:14
will this pcb be holtite compatible?
i cant say, it will be mill max socket compatible atleast.
Post by: Hedgey on Tue, 08 January 2019, 13:18:55
Post by: tentboy on Mon, 14 January 2019, 09:33:22
Post by: Sent on Mon, 14 January 2019, 09:52:30
Ive wanted a 40-50% board for so long but could never convince myself to get one due to the brackets not being on the default layer. Its a minor thing but as a programmer I considered those to the tipping point for how small of a board I'm willing to go to. cant wait!
Agreed. Loving the smaller boards coming out with dedicated brackets still.
Post by: Abec13 on Tue, 15 January 2019, 09:07:03
Ive wanted a 40-50% board for so long but could never convince myself to get one due to the brackets not being on the default layer. Its a minor thing but as a programmer I considered those to the tipping point for how small of a board I'm willing to go to. cant wait!
If you took something with the JD45 layout, you could have had the brackets and split the spacebar to be "backspace | spacebar"
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 17 January 2019, 22:38:39
Post by: beekey on Fri, 18 January 2019, 00:45:46
After thinking about this more, it has one too many columns for me. I feel like if you're chopping off the number row, you might as well go down to Minivan/JD45 size.For me the hole point about this keyboard, is the extra column. Please keep it. Otherwise it would be just one under many.
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sat, 19 January 2019, 18:29:48
edit:
Sign me up for a standard layout model. I’m looking forward to finalized available case color options once the GB starts!
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Post by: Ephemeral on Sun, 20 January 2019, 14:39:54
Post by: wixxzblu on Sun, 20 January 2019, 16:50:24
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sun, 20 January 2019, 17:47:00
Waiting on first cnc prototype guys :thumb:Looking forward to it
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Post by: OnceSavedGaming on Thu, 21 February 2019, 19:27:21
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Post by: tentboy on Fri, 22 February 2019, 11:20:01
Post by: wixxzblu on Fri, 22 February 2019, 11:21:57
any dates on the prototype arrival?it should arrive in about a month, it was of course delayed for CNY
Post by: tentboy on Fri, 22 February 2019, 13:12:42
Awesome :)any dates on the prototype arrival?it should arrive in about a month, it was of course delayed for CNY
Post by: William_S_Jones on Fri, 22 February 2019, 16:16:58
Looking forward to this! & I should be able to order an extra PCB too, right?Awesome :)any dates on the prototype arrival?it should arrive in about a month, it was of course delayed for CNY
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Post by: prophetx2 on Sat, 23 February 2019, 12:48:11
Post by: Baron on Sat, 23 February 2019, 14:45:02
this is the best of both worlds
Post by: G1LL3Y on Mon, 25 February 2019, 21:05:49
Post by: Olitender on Tue, 26 February 2019, 12:52:00
Post by: thornkin on Thu, 14 March 2019, 16:52:06
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Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 14 March 2019, 17:04:55
Post by: Яain. on Fri, 15 March 2019, 22:14:36
Post by: king.keebs on Mon, 25 March 2019, 23:34:20
However will the switches have north or south facing LEDs? I believe this is important for Cherry profile users!
Post by: ideus on Tue, 26 March 2019, 00:22:53
Post by: vicissitude on Tue, 26 March 2019, 00:24:38
Post by: Xynerorias on Tue, 26 March 2019, 09:58:26
Post by: wixxzblu on Tue, 26 March 2019, 10:04:26
Has the prototype arrived yet? ;D
It has not, im getting prototypes for 2 others designs as well so its been taking a bit longer.
it should be about 3 weeks away inc. shipping time.
Post by: audiosl4ve on Tue, 23 April 2019, 05:25:24
Post by: GigaFlop on Tue, 23 April 2019, 20:20:03
Post by: wixxzblu on Wed, 24 April 2019, 03:54:30
Any updates? :D
This is the only update i can give for now, still waiting on prototypes.
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Post by: GigaFlop on Sun, 28 April 2019, 20:24:25
Any updates? :D
This is the only update i can give for now, still waiting on prototypes.
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Looking good to me! Excited to see the case prototypes.
Post by: skmn on Mon, 29 April 2019, 03:09:37
Post by: Ephemeral on Mon, 29 April 2019, 05:52:49
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Still digging this. Eluding to WKL top?
Post by: parityb1t on Sat, 11 May 2019, 06:26:11
Post by: wixxzblu on Sat, 11 May 2019, 06:42:31
Was just having a think, since underglow is supported, should be possible to have an acrylic diffuser middle piece right? not saying it should be offered, just wondering if its possible or if there's any clearing issues?
whenever i get the prototypes, i will announce removed and added features. Underglow support has been removed. Im doing this because, there are already so many sku's and this is my firstish GB.
Stay tuned, i got update from the factory that the cnc was completed last week for all protos, and they should be anod' and shipped to me next week.
Post by: ArchDill on Sat, 11 May 2019, 07:52:23
Post by: wixxzblu on Sat, 11 May 2019, 08:14:30
I really like this. I have not seen a 40% layout that I could actually use, but this I could. What will the price be?
The price is looking to be around $285-300 with a pcb and plate.
Post by: parityb1t on Sun, 12 May 2019, 13:10:31
Was just having a think, since underglow is supported, should be possible to have an acrylic diffuser middle piece right? not saying it should be offered, just wondering if its possible or if there's any clearing issues?
whenever i get the prototypes, i will announce removed and added features. Underglow support has been removed. Im doing this because, there are already so many sku's and this is my firstish GB.
Stay tuned, i got update from the factory that the cnc was completed last week for all protos, and they should be anod' and shipped to me next week.
oh noz, now I'm sad.
Slight bit surprise as I thought response to underglow has been positive. sku's?
Post by: wixxzblu on Wed, 15 May 2019, 16:36:22
Was just having a think, since underglow is supported, should be possible to have an acrylic diffuser middle piece right? not saying it should be offered, just wondering if its possible or if there's any clearing issues?
whenever i get the prototypes, i will announce removed and added features. Underglow support has been removed. Im doing this because, there are already so many sku's and this is my firstish GB.
Stay tuned, i got update from the factory that the cnc was completed last week for all protos, and they should be anod' and shipped to me next week.
oh noz, now I'm sad.
Slight bit surprise as I thought response to underglow has been positive. sku's?
yes i think its been good too, but having PC which requires extra QC together with all the different versions of L50 that i want to provide may be too much for a first gb.
there is already standard top, hhkb top, wkl top, alu bottom and brass bottom.
Post by: parityb1t on Wed, 15 May 2019, 17:31:18
Was just having a think, since underglow is supported, should be possible to have an acrylic diffuser middle piece right? not saying it should be offered, just wondering if its possible or if there's any clearing issues?
whenever i get the prototypes, i will announce removed and added features. Underglow support has been removed. Im doing this because, there are already so many sku's and this is my firstish GB.
Stay tuned, i got update from the factory that the cnc was completed last week for all protos, and they should be anod' and shipped to me next week.
oh noz, now I'm sad.
Slight bit surprise as I thought response to underglow has been positive. sku's?
yes i think its been good too, but having PC which requires extra QC together with all the different versions of L50 that i want to provide may be too much for a first gb.
there is already standard top, hhkb top, wkl top, alu bottom and brass bottom.
Any potential for a second round with PCBv2? :P I mean, so long as the case design took underglow into consideration in the first place (asking specifically for that middle piece idea XD), it would work out then?
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Wed, 15 May 2019, 17:32:34
Post by: wixxzblu on Wed, 15 May 2019, 17:33:10
Was just having a think, since underglow is supported, should be possible to have an acrylic diffuser middle piece right? not saying it should be offered, just wondering if its possible or if there's any clearing issues?
whenever i get the prototypes, i will announce removed and added features. Underglow support has been removed. Im doing this because, there are already so many sku's and this is my firstish GB.
Stay tuned, i got update from the factory that the cnc was completed last week for all protos, and they should be anod' and shipped to me next week.
oh noz, now I'm sad.
Slight bit surprise as I thought response to underglow has been positive. sku's?
yes i think its been good too, but having PC which requires extra QC together with all the different versions of L50 that i want to provide may be too much for a first gb.
there is already standard top, hhkb top, wkl top, alu bottom and brass bottom.
Any potential for a second round with PCBv2? :P I mean, so long as the case design took underglow into consideration in the first place (asking specifically for that middle piece idea XD), it would work out then?
yes the case could take a mid piece acrylic difuser, ill take this into consideration during the gb :thumb:
Post by: qriousgabriel on Thu, 16 May 2019, 03:49:15
Post by: parityb1t on Thu, 16 May 2019, 05:16:18
Was just having a think, since underglow is supported, should be possible to have an acrylic diffuser middle piece right? not saying it should be offered, just wondering if its possible or if there's any clearing issues?
whenever i get the prototypes, i will announce removed and added features. Underglow support has been removed. Im doing this because, there are already so many sku's and this is my firstish GB.
Stay tuned, i got update from the factory that the cnc was completed last week for all protos, and they should be anod' and shipped to me next week.
oh noz, now I'm sad.
Slight bit surprise as I thought response to underglow has been positive. sku's?
yes i think its been good too, but having PC which requires extra QC together with all the different versions of L50 that i want to provide may be too much for a first gb.
there is already standard top, hhkb top, wkl top, alu bottom and brass bottom.
Any potential for a second round with PCBv2? :P I mean, so long as the case design took underglow into consideration in the first place (asking specifically for that middle piece idea XD), it would work out then?
yes the case could take a mid piece acrylic difuser, ill take this into consideration during the gb :thumb:
Thats mighty kind of you :thumb: cheers!
Post by: Hedgey on Thu, 16 May 2019, 09:08:11
Post by: kokoon on Thu, 16 May 2019, 16:35:29
Post by: please1102 on Sun, 19 May 2019, 03:14:22
I just want to ask something about the plate, could you consider to make more screw holes to stick the plate with the case. For example, the plate of pearl has total 14 screw holes. I think that it will help the keyboarb and type feeling are become much more stable.
Thank you for reading this.
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 19 May 2019, 05:35:06
It is an interesting project. I am definitely in :)
I just want to ask something about the plate, could you consider to make more screw holes to stick the plate with the case. For example, the plate of pearl has total 14 screw holes. I think that it will help the keyboarb and type feeling are become much more stable.
Thank you for reading this.
i'm no expert nor have i tried typing on a pearl but a plate this size with 14 mounting points would make bottom out/typing really harsh because there wouldnt be any flex from the plate. heh
at 14 points, it might as well be an integrated plate ;)
Post by: wixxzblu on Tue, 11 June 2019, 14:50:49
Im doing a build stream of the Lynx L50 prototype in 10 minutes, and i will also show of a couple of my upcoming designs.
I hope you want to tune in for a first look at the Lynx L50! :p
twitch.tv/wixxzblu
Post by: VXQN on Wed, 12 June 2019, 04:25:42
Post by: eas on Wed, 12 June 2019, 15:39:18
Missed most of the stream but all 3 will support SMK?
Post by: wixxzblu on Wed, 12 June 2019, 15:40:30
Post by: eas on Wed, 12 June 2019, 18:42:30
Sorry I should not walk and type. Love all of the prototypes! Good luck with the GBs.
Post by: jaang on Wed, 12 June 2019, 18:59:56
Post by: Develspede on Wed, 12 June 2019, 21:31:16
Post by: kokoon on Tue, 02 July 2019, 14:54:04
Post by: EMC Labs on Tue, 02 July 2019, 20:36:20
Post by: Visionaire on Tue, 02 July 2019, 20:54:06
Post by: valkyr1e on Wed, 03 July 2019, 12:34:06
Been watching this, and very much interested in this board.
Is it at all possible for the pcb to support 1-1.25u for right shift split, in addition to 1.25-1u that is currently supported? this option forms a nicely aligned possible arrow cluster with the bottom row.
Post by: qriousgabriel on Sat, 13 July 2019, 18:31:54
Post by: wixxzblu on Sat, 13 July 2019, 18:33:31
Any updates on GB?
Still working on final preparations, finalizing quotes, available colors, plate options and such.
Post by: tobiasvl on Mon, 15 July 2019, 16:08:59
Edit: Although... I wish there was a way for it to support split left shift/ISO key too. Not sure how it could even be pulled off, it would probably require a Vortex Race 3 style Esc key to make stuff line up, lol. Don't mind me, I was just dreaming of the perfect 40-ish % Nordic layout here.
Post by: fractl on Mon, 15 July 2019, 18:16:14
Of course, I don't expect anything to be changed just to suit my preferences, but I was wondering if this matters to anyone else and if there is a preference for one sequence or another.
Obviously, I'll survive either way, but this is pretty much exactly the layout I would have designed myself, except I'd reverse the spacebars.
Congrats on an almost ideal layout though... staggered layout, more compact than a 60%, not having to use a secondary layer for the colon, apostrophe, question mark or brackets, and split spacebar. Exactly what I would have hoped for.
Post by: wixxzblu on Mon, 15 July 2019, 18:20:43
This may seem like and odd question, but is there any consensus in regard to whether people prefer the split spacebars to go 2.25u then 2.75u or 2.75u then 2.25u. Personally, I hit the spacebar with my right thumb, so I'd prefer the 2.75u on the left and the 2.25u on the right, so I could hit the spacebar using the smaller, and therefore quieter, option.
Of course, I don't expect anything to be changed just to suit my preferences, but I was wondering if this matters to anyone else and if there is a preference for one sequence or another.
Obviously, I'll survive either way, but this is pretty much exactly the layout I would have designed myself, except I'd reverse the spacebars.
Congrats on an almost ideal layout though... staggered layout, more compact than a 60%, not having to use a secondary layer for the colon, apostrophe, question mark or brackets, and split spacebar. Exactly what I would have hoped for.
The split spacebar option is simply down to how i hold my own thumbs when resting on the home row. Left thumb between V & B, while right thumb is between N & M, this reflects directly to the split spacebar, as it would put the thumb as close to the center of the spacebars.
Post by: fractl on Mon, 15 July 2019, 19:38:30
This may seem like and odd question, but is there any consensus in regard to whether people prefer the split spacebars to go 2.25u then 2.75u or 2.75u then 2.25u. Personally, I hit the spacebar with my right thumb, so I'd prefer the 2.75u on the left and the 2.25u on the right, so I could hit the spacebar using the smaller, and therefore quieter, option.
Of course, I don't expect anything to be changed just to suit my preferences, but I was wondering if this matters to anyone else and if there is a preference for one sequence or another.
Obviously, I'll survive either way, but this is pretty much exactly the layout I would have designed myself, except I'd reverse the spacebars.
Congrats on an almost ideal layout though... staggered layout, more compact than a 60%, not having to use a secondary layer for the colon, apostrophe, question mark or brackets, and split spacebar. Exactly what I would have hoped for.
The split spacebar option is simply down to how i hold my own thumbs when resting on the home row. Left thumb between V & B, while right thumb is between N & M, this reflects directly to the split spacebar, as it would put the thumb as close to the center of the spacebars.
Well, my thumb is positioned pretty much the same as yours, and your rationale makes sense. If the split spacebars were reversed, that would mean that our thumbs would be positioned over the break between the two spacebars, which would require more movement to hit one spacebar or the other. Which is my way of admitting that your choice makes more practical sense than mine, since I would be shifting my hand position after every word to hit the spacebar properly, just for the sake of being able to use the smaller spacebar. Better to have things set up your way. Thanks for pointing that out.
Post by: kokoon on Tue, 16 July 2019, 03:12:49
Beautifully put, the entire exchange. Thank you both for being reasonable people that use - and think about how they do it - split spacebar :)This may seem like and odd question, but is there any consensus in regard to whether people prefer the split spacebars to go 2.25u then 2.75u or 2.75u then 2.25u. Personally, I hit the spacebar with my right thumb, so I'd prefer the 2.75u on the left and the 2.25u on the right, so I could hit the spacebar using the smaller, and therefore quieter, option.
Of course, I don't expect anything to be changed just to suit my preferences, but I was wondering if this matters to anyone else and if there is a preference for one sequence or another.
Obviously, I'll survive either way, but this is pretty much exactly the layout I would have designed myself, except I'd reverse the spacebars.
Congrats on an almost ideal layout though... staggered layout, more compact than a 60%, not having to use a secondary layer for the colon, apostrophe, question mark or brackets, and split spacebar. Exactly what I would have hoped for.
The split spacebar option is simply down to how i hold my own thumbs when resting on the home row. Left thumb between V & B, while right thumb is between N & M, this reflects directly to the split spacebar, as it would put the thumb as close to the center of the spacebars.
Well, my thumb is positioned pretty much the same as yours, and your rationale makes sense. If the split spacebars were reversed, that would mean that our thumbs would be positioned over the break between the two spacebars, which would require more movement to hit one spacebar or the other. Which is my way of admitting that your choice makes more practical sense than mine, since I would be shifting my hand position after every word to hit the spacebar properly, just for the sake of being able to use the smaller spacebar. Better to have things set up your way. Thanks for pointing that out.
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 17 July 2019, 09:16:41
Post by: funderburker on Wed, 17 July 2019, 09:33:04
rip tmo50
Still love this comment. :rolleyes:
P.S. Good luck when this does hit GB.
Post by: kokoon on Wed, 11 September 2019, 14:45:07
Post by: growler on Sat, 14 September 2019, 05:27:00
So, is this still happening?Just noticed this... In my quest to use smaller and smaller boards, am very interested. I moved to 60pct, and can't bear anything larger now. This looks like a nice, efficient step down.
Progress is good, 3u sounds sensible, don't be held back by legacy concerns, drag everyone else forward with you.
growler
Post by: wixxzblu on Sat, 14 September 2019, 05:28:49
So, is this still happening?
I'm currently working on a private gb that I want to completely finish before I start this
Post by: Agilr on Sat, 14 September 2019, 07:10:16
You know I'm in, if the price is good too it's an instant c o p :p
Post by: CaninoDev on Sat, 14 September 2019, 20:45:08
....don't be held back by legacy concerns, drag everyone else forward with you.
growler
I like that quote. Motivational, inspiring, positive.
And oh yeah, I’m in too.
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Post by: gminso on Sat, 14 September 2019, 23:51:23
Also how about alps compatibility? I have bags of alps but no smk :)
Post by: elli on Fri, 20 September 2019, 06:18:51
Post by: VXQN on Tue, 15 October 2019, 06:17:04
Post by: Kyndylan on Tue, 15 October 2019, 08:26:40
Patiently waiting for this, but happy to do so!
Me too, although the TMO50 v2 is tempting me as well!
Post by: juliandoucette on Tue, 15 October 2019, 17:03:31
Post by: The Rhymenocerus on Fri, 18 October 2019, 00:48:48
Post by: nathanchere on Sun, 20 October 2019, 12:23:54
Post by: wixxzblu on Tue, 22 October 2019, 05:30:22
Is this still happening?
Yes im planing to run this GB soon, i already have prototypes in hand, but im working out a private GB at the moment, and will start this one immediately after.
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 22 October 2019, 05:36:00
Post by: thornkin on Wed, 23 October 2019, 03:19:13
Laser ALT sporting red Sky Pandas
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 23 October 2019, 05:30:41
I am trying to decide between this and the TMO50v2. Any range for pricing? Will this be cheaper than $300-$350?
Laser ALT sporting red Sky Pandas
i dont think it'll be cheaper than $300 but we can dream right? :))
Post by: Visionaire on Fri, 08 November 2019, 09:52:25
I am trying to decide between this and the TMO50v2. Any range for pricing? Will this be cheaper than $300-$350?
Laser ALT sporting red Sky Pandas
i dont think it'll be cheaper than $300 but we can dream right? :))
Price may have changed, but a few months ago he was talking about $265-275 range.
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 08 November 2019, 10:04:37
Post by: thornkin on Fri, 08 November 2019, 22:44:02
Post by: juliandoucette on Sat, 09 November 2019, 16:45:55
Post by: wixxzblu on Sat, 09 November 2019, 16:53:46
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Post by: SteffeMK on Sat, 09 November 2019, 17:21:31
I think I showed off the prototype on stream some time ago, but here are some potato pics for the hardcore followers of my little project. I recently lost my PCB designer, so I'm looking into finding somebody else to complete, what was already done (100%) by my previous guy, since I dont have the files.Damn. Have you asked for the files or has he just answering?
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Post by: GigaFlop on Sat, 09 November 2019, 18:20:29
I think I showed off the prototype on stream some time ago, but here are some potato pics for the hardcore followers of my little project. I recently lost my PCB designer, so I'm looking into finding somebody else to complete, what was already done (100%) by my previous guy, since I dont have the files.
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Man, I'm liking the look of the prototype. How long did the original PCB take for design?
Post by: nathanchere on Sun, 10 November 2019, 05:25:51
I think I showed off the prototype on stream some time ago, but here are some potato pics for the hardcore followers of my little project. I recently lost my PCB designer, so I'm looking into finding somebody else to complete, what was already done (100%) by my previous guy, since I dont have the files.
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While I understand not wanting a Swiss cheese bottom row on the plate, I would suggest at least considering adding a more versatile range of layout options to the bottom row of the PCB for those that don't mind modifying or making their own plates. Best of both worlds.
Post by: thornkin on Wed, 13 November 2019, 01:04:06
Post by: Nvmbra on Wed, 13 November 2019, 09:34:09
I think I showed off the prototype on stream some time ago, but here are some potato pics for the hardcore followers of my little project. I recently lost my PCB designer, so I'm looking into finding somebody else to complete, what was already done (100%) by my previous guy, since I dont have the files.
(Attachment Link)
While I understand not wanting a Swiss cheese bottom row on the plate, I would suggest at least considering adding a more versatile range of layout options to the bottom row of the PCB for those that don't mind modifying or making their own plates. Best of both worlds.
(https://i.imgur.com/L5aNwYT.png)
I like the way the Equinox bottom row was designed and the same could be done here by using 1.5u instead of 1.25u keys for the bottom row. The only change needed for that would be an increase of the blockers for the HHKB option by 0.25u on both sides.
Post by: Sam_Kim on Thu, 14 November 2019, 22:09:10
I am in!
Post by: PulpitKeyboards on Fri, 15 November 2019, 02:48:44
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 02 December 2019, 14:04:01
Post by: wixxzblu on Mon, 02 December 2019, 14:43:18
Since I've sold the Pearl, now I need this desperately.
I feel you, my pcb guy is no longer MIA, so the gb should happen sooner now.
Post by: funderburker on Mon, 02 December 2019, 16:39:16
Since I've sold the Pearl, now I need this desperately.
I feel you, my pcb guy is no longer MIA, so the gb should happen sooner now.
pngu? :D
Post by: thornkin on Mon, 02 December 2019, 23:44:44
Post by: skmn on Tue, 03 December 2019, 06:20:23
Post by: kokoon on Tue, 03 December 2019, 06:23:18
Post by: Sam_Kim on Fri, 06 December 2019, 19:00:22
Since I've sold the Pearl, now I need this desperately.
I feel you, my pcb guy is no longer MIA, so the gb should happen sooner now.
I am so incredibly excited for this keyboard. I check this thread basically every day for new information.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 07 December 2019, 09:00:04
Post by: wixxzblu on Fri, 20 December 2019, 10:36:50
Post by: 2Moons on Sat, 21 December 2019, 11:11:53
Post by: KingOfMemes on Sat, 21 December 2019, 11:16:59
Sorry, and idea on the price?It's in the GB page.
$285 USD base
+ $40 brass bottom add on (optional)
+ $15 brass plate add on (optional)
+ undisclosed shipping and pp fees