Post by: Emir on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:29:20
A big thank you to Janglad for rendering this!
(https://i.imgur.com/rgHarqI.jpg)
Switch information for Linjär:
Manufacturer: Gateron
Housing Pantone 301 C, Stem Pantone 116 C (official pantones for the flag of Sweden)
Type: Linear (LINJÄR)
Weight: 65cN bottom out, gold plated spring
Factory lubed: Yes
Pricing: 0.35usd~ per switch
Sold in packs of 90 or 120, to keep costs down
MOQ: 20000 switches
The proxy and GB point of sale will be our friends over at mykeyboard.eu.
(https://i.imgur.com/wupQaPm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Qzoew5x.jpg)
Our initial idea was to only offer the switch for us in the swedish keyboard community, but with the higher MOQ, we have decided to also offer it to everyone. Our goal is to have a smooth linear switch, similar to gateron yellow (if you've tried one, you know they're pretty damn smooth), but without transparent or milky housings for the sound signature that provides. Since it is a community driven project, we do not aim to make a profit out of this, but simply want to meme our keyboards with the glorious Swedish colors. :))
- This switch is Non-profit, which means that costs are kept at an absolute minimum. The only costs added on top of the manufacturing cost from Gateron are import fees handled by mykeyboard.eu, and logistics related such as shipping material.
- For full transparency, the quote from Gateron is 3000RMB for a full housing and stem of custom colors, and then 1.75RMB per switch with a MOQ of 20000. The housing color cost is distributed over the 20000 switches, and so is the shipping cost from Gateron to mykeyboard.eu, along with other logistics costs.
IC Form: https://goo.gl/forms/x9pvACTNNhK7JMOZ2
If you're Swedish and want to be a part of our community, a discord invite link can be found here www.mekaniskatangentbord.se (http://www.mekaniskatangentbord.se).
Status: We are waiting for confirmation of shipping price from Gateron, which may be lower or a bit higher than our guesstimate - this might change the price per switch slightly. We are also waiting confirmation of them accepting our Pantones.
Update: Interest has been overwhelming, in just a few hours we passed the MOQ of 20k. We will go ahead with the GB phase as soon as we hear back from Gateron regarding production time, pantones and shipping costs.
UPDATE: We heard back from gateron. Shipping prices were more than double compared to what we expected. 2000RMB, which translated to about 295USD - luckily we left room in the price per switch in our calculations to cover for this, so it won't change the price (even if it did, 295usd across 20k is about 0.0147~USD) - so price would be similar. We still aim for 0.35 per switch for the EU, I need to hear back from US proxy to calculate the price for the US market.
Gateron confirms that they can do our switch, and our Pantones. They offered to have samples to us by 29th of January if we could pay up front, and have the rest delivered right after the chinese new year. We can't front the money, so there won't be any samples. Gateron however says that it will be as smooth as Gateron yellows, which is comforting.
Our aim is to start the GB phase ASAP, we just need to confirm a US Proxy. I have reached out to Mike on Discord, but we have not heard back yet. I will keep you updated.
GB period will likely be from as soon as we confirm proxy, until the end of chinese new year (no reason to end it prior to this, since we won't get any progress during CNY anyway) - so it will be a couple of weeks for you to get your orders in - there will only be 1 run of this.
From the date of payment, Gateron says it takes about 15 days to manufacture the switches and have them sent out to us.
-- Price is calculated for the 20k MOQ, as we first strictly wanted to keep to 20k switches to make it more exclusive. Since we lifted the 20K limit, it means that any switch sold at higher than 20k will be a microscopical profit (we are talking few cents here), which depending on how many switches are sold, turns in to a few dollars. This means that there will be profit, but we can't predict against it. So, instead of the community going profit, we decided to leave this, however small, profit to the retailers mykeyboard.eu and US proxy for their support in this project. Our goal is still to stay strictly non-profit, and as a community, we feel this solution is still true to the non-profit spirit --
Update:
NovelKeys confirmed as the US Proxy, also non-profit! The per switch price for the US will be 0.36USD~, so only 0.01 higher than EU - very fair pricing!
The GB will start on Monday, and be open for roughly a month (end of chinese new year). Manufacturing time will be 15 days, roughly. GB Thread will follow shortly. Thanks for the overwhelming support!
The swedish keyboard community is very excited and happy about this, and hope to do more great things in the coming future!
Memes (note, not color accurate, shots taken in certain basement-like conditions)
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/534360185523929088/534440801908817930/image0.jpg?width=643&height=910)
(https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/GYAy1-QjQEq1hUZ42s190-LkNUrVN3rIHlwCvNhRQhs/%3Fwidth%3D871%26height%3D403/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/534360185523929088/534786917472927765/xd.png)
Post by: quaddepos on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:31:45
Will we get an Ikea assembly instructions with it?
Post by: Smoff on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:32:41
Post by: Sissy on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:37:22
Post by: ChrisSwires on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:39:12
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Post by: Emir on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:42:47
Comes in parts and instruction manual, shipped in IKEA zip-lock bags!
Post by: necromanx on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:44:56
https://www.mlsstore.com/la-galaxy/zlatan-ibrahimovic/t-36234637+a-54935677+z-932-1906261125
Post by: Kasterborous on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:53:06
Post by: PaultheSloth on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:58:09
Post by: appaboy on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:01:07
Post by: Morbus on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:02:24
Post by: iSamurai on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:12:57
Really nice idea BTW, you can do a full nautilus keyboard now :D.
Post by: Emir on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:14:58
What about the wobble? Are linjär and gateron yellow the same from this point of view?
Really nice idea BTW, you can do a full nautilus keyboard now :D.
Well, we are not allowed to ask for switch specifications related to Zeal, so we can't ask for Zeal tolerances (v2 improves on wobble a lot). Likely similar wobble to other gateron offerings.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:19:14
Post by: NRbigfoot on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:23:11
Post by: Emir on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:24:18
Post by: OkKarma on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:34:28
Any in-Sweden purchase point to avoid unnecessary SEK to EUR currency conversion and shipping?
Post by: MemeLord69 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:34:39
Yes, i'm very interested.
Post by: Emir on Thu, 17 January 2019, 09:05:02
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 17 January 2019, 09:07:54
Filled out the IC :D
Post by: sendrim on Thu, 17 January 2019, 09:10:09
Post by: Tyson on Thu, 17 January 2019, 09:20:44
Post by: vikipedeer on Thu, 17 January 2019, 09:41:04
Post by: Starston3 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 09:44:18
Post by: iSamurai on Thu, 17 January 2019, 09:53:14
Damn, was hoping in gateron fully embracing the meme, little shame but for that price we can't complain too much.What about the wobble? Are linjär and gateron yellow the same from this point of view?
Really nice idea BTW, you can do a full nautilus keyboard now :D.
Well, we are not allowed to ask for switch specifications related to Zeal, so we can't ask for Zeal tolerances (v2 improves on wobble a lot). Likely similar wobble to other gateron offerings.
Post by: Signature on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:09:19
Post by: funderburker on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:13:49
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:19:24
Post by: ChEiPs on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:45:27
Post by: Smoff on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:56:32
Could i get a daylight pic of that artwork? I need to see a real representation, not a basement lighting pic.Blue switches blue HBCP? ;)
Filled out the IC :D
Post by: Emir on Thu, 17 January 2019, 11:13:22
Post by: edasaur on Thu, 17 January 2019, 11:28:26
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Post by: rondg on Thu, 17 January 2019, 15:46:34
Post by: Emir on Thu, 17 January 2019, 16:21:55
Will this run be limited to 20k only? No more round 2?
The original idea was to have a hard cap at 20k, and allowing Swedes from our community to buy the amount we wanted before releasing it to the public. We have changed this, and will instead have an unlimited amount for a time period instead. Therefore, there would be no need to worry about missing out on the buy, or setting up a private buy at first.
We have decided to limit this to a 1 run only.
Post by: rondg on Thu, 17 January 2019, 16:38:21
Will this run be limited to 20k only? No more round 2?
The original idea was to have a hard cap at 20k, and allowing Swedes from our community to buy the amount we wanted before releasing it to the public. We have changed this, and will instead have an unlimited amount for a time period instead. Therefore, there would be no need to worry about missing out on the buy, or setting up a private buy at first.
We have decided to limit this to a 1 run only.
Okay. Thanks for the clarification. I guess I need to join now. ;D
Post by: Smoff on Thu, 17 January 2019, 16:56:46
Oh yes you do! ;)Will this run be limited to 20k only? No more round 2?
The original idea was to have a hard cap at 20k, and allowing Swedes from our community to buy the amount we wanted before releasing it to the public. We have changed this, and will instead have an unlimited amount for a time period instead. Therefore, there would be no need to worry about missing out on the buy, or setting up a private buy at first.
We have decided to limit this to a 1 run only.
Okay. Thanks for the clarification. I guess I need to join now. ;D
Post by: Rumblehotep on Thu, 17 January 2019, 19:44:06
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 17 January 2019, 20:37:33
oh god... there's so many linears!
About time people realised the only tactiles worth having are topre.
l0l
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 17 January 2019, 21:17:10
oh god... there's so many linears!
About time people realised the only tactiles worth having are topre.
l0l
the only tactiles worth having are any named ergo clear
Post by: Scarecrow on Thu, 17 January 2019, 21:31:28
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 17 January 2019, 22:35:07
Post by: MMKB on Fri, 18 January 2019, 01:08:42
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Fri, 18 January 2019, 02:31:36
Post by: Emir on Fri, 18 January 2019, 03:54:05
As far as housing goes, nylon will sound more deep (lower frequency) in the signature than transparent housings. This to us is "better", but it's personal preference if you like a high pitched plasticy sound, or something on the deeper curve.
Besides US Proxy, pnly issue now is waiting for Gaterons response, which is slow. I sent a new Email today with renders, pantones, asked for manufacturing time, shipping costs and confirmation that they can make the switch according to our specifications. I will let you guys know when we learn more from them.
Post by: PikaJoyce on Fri, 18 January 2019, 04:03:23
NovelKeys has reached out to mykeyboard.eu and shown interest in proxying for murricans. We will get in touch and work something out.Super exciting news. Love the sound of nylon housing! Count me in :)
As far as housing goes, nylon will sound more deep (lower frequency) in the signature than transparent housings. This to us is "better", but it's personal preference if you like a high pitched plasticy sound, or something on the deeper curve.
Besides US Proxy, pnly issue now is waiting for Gaterons response, which is slow. I sent a new Email today with renders, pantones, asked for manufacturing time, shipping costs and confirmation that they can make the switch according to our specifications. I will let you guys know when we learn more from them.
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 18 January 2019, 04:41:38
Fun as a novelty, but I'm not interested in linear switches, sorry.
Post by: urbantheii on Fri, 18 January 2019, 08:57:18
Post by: janglad on Fri, 18 January 2019, 09:17:17
oh god... there's so many linears!
About time people realised the only tactiles worth having are topre.
l0l
the only tactiles worth having are any named ergo clear
Ban Hiney pls
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 18 January 2019, 10:04:01
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 18 January 2019, 12:05:37
Post by: bball2 on Fri, 18 January 2019, 12:50:26
https://i.imgur.com/7JPGzBg.jpg
Post by: RamenTechMech on Sat, 19 January 2019, 01:07:09
I hope NovelKeys is able to run this for us :cool:
Post by: Emir on Sat, 19 January 2019, 06:01:33
UPDATE: We heard back from gateron. Shipping prices were more than double compared to what we expected. 2000RMB, which translated to about 295USD - luckily we left room in the price per switch in our calculations to cover for this, so it won't change the price (even if it did, 295usd across 20k is about 0.0147~USD) - so price would be similar. We still aim for 0.35 per switch for the EU, I need to hear back from US proxy to calculate the price for the US market.
Gateron confirms that they can do our switch, and our Pantones. They offered to have samples to us by 29th of January if we could pay up front, and have the rest delivered right after the chinese new year. We can't front the money, so there won't be any samples. Gateron however says that it will be as smooth as Gateron yellows, which is comforting.
Our aim is to start the GB phase ASAP, we just need to confirm a US Proxy. I have reached out to Mike on Discord, but we have not heard back yet. I will keep you updated.
GB period will likely be from as soon as we confirm proxy, until the end of chinese new year (no reason to end it prior to this, since we won't get any progress during CNY anyway) - so it will be a couple of weeks for you to get your orders in - there will only be 1 run of this.
From the date of payment, Gateron says it takes about 15 days to manufacture the switches and have them sent out to us.
-- Price is calculated for the 20k MOQ, as we first strictly wanted to keep to 20k switches to make it more exclusive. Since we lifted the 20K limit, it means that any switch sold at higher than 20k will be a microscopical profit (we are talking few cents here), which depending on how many switches are sold, turns in to a few dollars. This means that there will be profit, but we can't predict against it. So, instead of the community going profit, we decided to leave this, however small, profit to the retailers mykeyboard.eu and US proxy for their support in this project. Our goal is still to stay strictly non-profit, and as a community, we feel this solution is still true to the non-profit spirit --
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 19 January 2019, 06:45:23
OP updated with recent status,
UPDATE: We heard back from gateron. Shipping prices were more than double compared to what we expected. 2000RMB, which translated to about 295USD - luckily we left room in the price per switch in our calculations to cover for this, so it won't change the price (even if it did, 295usd across 20k is about 0.0147~USD) - so price would be similar. We still aim for 0.35 per switch for the EU, I need to hear back from US proxy to calculate the price for the US market.
Gateron confirms that they can do our switch, and our Pantones. They offered to have samples to us by 29th of January if we could pay up front, and have the rest delivered right after the chinese new year. We can't front the money, so there won't be any samples. Gateron however says that it will be as smooth as Gateron yellows, which is comforting.
Our aim is to start the GB phase ASAP, we just need to confirm a US Proxy. I have reached out to Mike on Discord, but we have not heard back yet. I will keep you updated.
GB period will likely be from as soon as we confirm proxy, until the end of chinese new year (no reason to end it prior to this, since we won't get any progress during CNY anyway) - so it will be a couple of weeks for you to get your orders in - there will only be 1 run of this.
From the date of payment, Gateron says it takes about 15 days to manufacture the switches and have them sent out to us.
-- Price is calculated for the 20k MOQ, as we first strictly wanted to keep to 20k switches to make it more exclusive. Since we lifted the 20K limit, it means that any switch sold at higher than 20k will be a microscopical profit (we are talking few cents here), which depending on how many switches are sold, turns in to a few dollars. This means that there will be profit, but we can't predict against it. So, instead of the community going profit, we decided to leave this, however small, profit to the retailers mykeyboard.eu and US proxy for their support in this project. Our goal is still to stay strictly non-profit, and as a community, we feel this solution is still true to the non-profit spirit --
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Post by: Emir on Sat, 19 January 2019, 08:04:22
NovelKeys confirmed as the US Proxy, also non-profit! The per switch price for the US will be 0.36USD~, so only 0.01 higher than EU - very fair pricing!
The GB will start on Monday, and be open for roughly a month (end of chinese new year). Manufacturing time will be 15 days, roughly. GB Thread will follow shortly. Thanks for the overwhelming support!
The swedish keyboard community is very excited and happy about this, and hope to do more great things in the coming future!
Post by: eyedrop on Sat, 19 January 2019, 10:16:08
Thanks for organizing the buy. I will definitely buy some from Novelkeys.
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Post by: William_S_Jones on Sat, 19 January 2019, 14:28:59
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Post by: oh_chesteroni on Sun, 20 January 2019, 03:09:09
Post by: _GMK_ on Sun, 20 January 2019, 03:23:35
Post by: Emir on Sun, 20 January 2019, 09:27:55
As far as the spring goes, only specification provided is that it bottoms out at 65cN and is gold plated.
Post by: mgsickler on Sun, 20 January 2019, 10:02:18
Cherry MOQ is 80k IIRC, and way more expensive - for a, to me, inferior switch. Gateron linear offerings are smoother than cherrys counterpart; that's my personal opinion. One could argue that QC is better, but to my knowledge there are no custom Cherry switches on the market right now - likely due to it being so pricy it's not worth it.
As far as the spring goes, only specification provided is that it bottoms out at 65cN and is gold plated.
It’s actually more than that. The initial quote I received was 200,000 switches to get a custom color, and it was super expensive.
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 20 January 2019, 11:33:41
Cherry MOQ is 80k IIRC, and way more expensive - for a, to me, inferior switch. Gateron linear offerings are smoother than cherrys counterpart; that's my personal opinion. One could argue that QC is better, but to my knowledge there are no custom Cherry switches on the market right now - likely due to it being so pricy it's not worth it.
As far as the spring goes, only specification provided is that it bottoms out at 65cN and is gold plated.
It’s actually more than that. The initial quote I received was 200,000 switches to get a custom color, and it was super expensive.
Oh, it went down. Last time you and I talked about it it was 800k, but I think I wanted custom springs.
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 20 January 2019, 11:36:54
Cherry MOQ is 80k IIRC, and way more expensive - for a, to me, inferior switch. Gateron linear offerings are smoother than cherrys counterpart; that's my personal opinion. One could argue that QC is better, but to my knowledge there are no custom Cherry switches on the market right now - likely due to it being so pricy it's not worth it.
As far as the spring goes, only specification provided is that it bottoms out at 65cN and is gold plated.
It’s actually more than that. The initial quote I received was 200,000 switches to get a custom color, and it was super expensive.
Oh, it went down. Last time you and I talked about it it was 800k, but I think I wanted custom springs.
I spoke with a Cherry rep at the recent Mechanicon in Frankfurt. He said it's way too high, and even when I said "there's a price for everything" he still giggled and said no.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 20 January 2019, 12:09:58
Cherry MOQ is 80k IIRC, and way more expensive - for a, to me, inferior switch. Gateron linear offerings are smoother than cherrys counterpart; that's my personal opinion. One could argue that QC is better, but to my knowledge there are no custom Cherry switches on the market right now - likely due to it being so pricy it's not worth it.
As far as the spring goes, only specification provided is that it bottoms out at 65cN and is gold plated.
It’s actually more than that. The initial quote I received was 200,000 switches to get a custom color, and it was super expensive.
Oh, it went down. Last time you and I talked about it it was 800k, but I think I wanted custom springs.
Even GMK doesn't get custom switches from Cherry because it's too expensive. Unless you are Razer or Corsair Cherry there's really no chance of making custom Cherry switches happen.
Post by: Emir on Sun, 20 January 2019, 12:19:01
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99064.0