[IC] GMK Monochrome - GB September 1st

[duckboi]

Oh I am in this for sure. Any further update regarding the set?

At the moment, we are kinda just in a waiting period while finalizing things. Hold tight, it’s gonna happen!


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[otanishock]

I really hope the novelties go through. Worst case scenario, are you considering on a new set of novelties to go with this set in case Disney does not approve the project?

[duckboi]

I really hope the novelties go through. Worst case scenario, are you considering on a new set of novelties to go with this set in case Disney does not approve the project?

It is pretty unlikely that we will be doing novelties for this, sorry. We are just going to omit the novelties and continue on with the rest of the set.

[chuckdee]

I really hope the novelties go through. Worst case scenario, are you considering on a new set of novelties to go with this set in case Disney does not approve the project?

It is pretty unlikely that we will be doing novelties for this, sorry. We are just going to omit the novelties and continue on with the rest of the set.

I think WOB and BOW aren't generally supported for novelites anyway.

[compjunkie8888]

I might be over looking it but I am not seeing a 1.25u Caps lock. Otherwise the set looks fantastic.

[duckboi]

I might be over looking it but I am not seeing a 1.25u Caps lock. Otherwise the set looks fantastic.

Correct, there is no plan for a 1.25u Caps Lock key.

[JSaintS]

Monochrome Update

Updated kits

Core Kit

Here is what change:

• we added a 2u R4 shift key;
• we added a 1u R4 FN key;
• we changed the R4 shift to icon only; and
• we changed the icon on the capslock key to the one used in GMK 9009 R2.

Extra Kit


Extras
I am an artisan lovers, and we decided we would keep the artisans.

• Alphakeycaps is on board and there will be a raffle for his Jedi Blinker. We will produce around 10 of those and they will be raffled between GB participants; and
• RAMA offered to produce this beauty. This is a black anodised X or O keycap with laser edged white stars (subtle but stunning). Those will go for the usual price for RAMA keycaps, so $36 for US/Asia and 42€ for EU (big thanks to RAMA for keeping the price low for us <3 I owe you one!) and have a MOQ of 50. Everyone can buy them and everyone can buy as many as they want.

Vendors

• MyKeyboard.eu has been confirmed for Europe, ;
• We are still in discussion with vendors for the States and Canada; and
• zFrontier would be our vendor for Asia, Africa, Australia and New Zealand, though we are still waiting for a confirmation.

Thanks for reading guys!

[fleeceman]

ISO UK support no longer in the base kit? I'm out

[SolidCactus]

Nice new renders! Any ideas on when it might kick off?

[JSaintS]

ISO UK support no longer in the base kit? I'm out

It never was in the base kit of our keyset

[Altain]

Damn, this looks beyond good! I'm in when this goes GB. 

[Kerasan]

I hope so much that reaches the moq, this set is already perfect so, shame about the novelties but it was predictable.

KMK Labs

[kema]

The speckled rama caps look so good

[MikeTheTiger]

I’m loving this. What are your thoughts on adding 40s support for Planck, Minivan, Pearl, etc?

[konstantin]

Suggestions:

• Add R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn to either the core or extra kit (preferably the former).
• Replace Code with System / Sys.

Reasoning for R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn:
Some 65% layouts use it, e.g. the default WhiteFox, Tada68 and Uniqey C70 layouts. It's included in a couple of core kits (GMK/EPBT Slate comes to mind).

Reasoning for System:
What does Code even mean? It's like the people who put together the first GMK set with Code for the winkey thought: “We didn't know what to put here, so we put Code cause some people here are coders lul.”
Super makes a bit more sense, has a historical background, but nowadays isn't really prominent outside of *nix systems.
System makes the most sense, is neutral (just like Monochrome), and best describes what the key is actually used for: system-specific commands.
In the back of my head I think that GMK already have a System mold, but if it turns out they don't, it's time they made one imo.

[chuckdee]

Suggestions:

• Add R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn to either the core or extra kit (preferably the former).
• Replace Code with System / Sys.

Reasoning for R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn:
Some 65% layouts use it, e.g. the default WhiteFox, Tada68 and Uniqey C70 layouts. It's included in a couple of core kits (GMK/EPBT Slate comes to mind).

Reasoning for System:
What does Code even mean? It's like the people who put together the first GMK set with Code for the winkey thought: “We didn't know what to put here, so we put Code cause some people here are coders lul.”
Super makes a bit more sense, has a historical background, but nowadays isn't really prominent outside of *nix systems.
System makes the most sense, is neutral (just like Monochrome), and best describes what the key is actually used for: system-specific commands.
In the back of my head I think that GMK already have a System mold, but if it turns out they don't, it's time they made one imo.

IMO, Code is actually more generic, and can be used for more than just a WIN replacement.  As to what it means?  A shortened abbreviation for KeyCode was my first thought, which makes it make even more sense when used as replacement for other keys that might not be related to system functions.

Therefore, my vote is to keep it.

[konstantin]

As to what it means?  A shortened abbreviation for KeyCode was my first thought, which makes it make even more sense when used as replacement for other keys that might not be related to system functions.

Sure, I'll give you that, but I'd like to say that its primary intended use is to be a winkey replacement. All Code caps are R4, so you're a bit limited as to what other keys you can replace with it (at least on the most commonly used layouts). Since the most common non-standard keys on R4 are usually for layer stuff, I'd say you could use Fn for that purpose equally well, if not better. Other commonly used R4 keys are End and PgDn, and those are both covered (or will be covered) by the set.

[chuckdee]

Notice, both Fn keys are already in use.  As I said- I personally prefer code.

[mkarlsson]

Afaik code key was used on electric typewriters, TA used to have it. And seems that was intended as an “fn” key. Here is a small paragraph from a sharp typewriter:

Code: [Select]

Find the "Code" button on the keyboard. This button controls various functions of your typewriter and the more familiar you get with using the code button, the easier it will be to work on your typewriter. For example in the Sharp PA 4000 model, pressing the "Code" button plus the “Q” key sets the calculator or cancels it. Pressing the "Code" button plus the “9” key will make the type bold.

[konstantin]

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Notice, both Fn keys are already in use.

You have to admit that's a very unorthodox layout you have there (though I like it!). But System could have worked equally as well in those spots, and you probably ended up using those keys for LGUI and RGUI anyway :D

[konstantin]

Afaik code key was used on electric typewriters, TA used to have it. And seems that was intended as an “fn” key.

Yep, looks like you're right — CODE (capitalized) was apparently first featured on GMK Royal Alpha. It does fit in that set because the original typewriter had it (though it was more like an Fn key as you said). I think System makes more sense in a modern context, where Fn (keyboard metacommands that never make it to the computer) and system commands are more distinct.

[chuckdee]

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Notice, both Fn keys are already in use.

You have to admit that's a very unorthodox layout you have there (though I like it!). But System could have worked equally as well in those spots, and you probably ended up using those keys for LGUI and RGUI anyway :D

Never said it wasn't... which was the reason that I said my preference.  As yours is for system. :)

[konstantin]

Of course. I guess at the end of the day it just matters what the 3 authors like best

[mkarlsson]

Afaik code key was used on electric typewriters, TA used to have it. And seems that was intended as an “fn” key.

Yep, looks like you're right — CODE (capitalized) was apparently first featured on GMK Royal Alpha. It does fit in that set because the original typewriter had it (though it was more like an Fn key as you said). I think System makes more sense in a modern context, where Fn (keyboard metacommands that never make it to the computer) and system commands are more distinct.

Given the facts probably the most accurate use would be system as winkey replacement and CODE instead of fn. So we can have both of them

[konstantin]

Given the facts probably the most accurate use would be system as winkey replacement and CODE instead of fn. So we can have both of them

But CODE only applies to Triumph Adler and Royal Alpha, not in general. But thanks for siding with me on System

[mkarlsson]

Given the facts probably the most accurate use would be system as winkey replacement and CODE instead of fn. So we can have both of them

But CODE only applies to Triumph Adler and Royal Alpha, not in general. But thanks for siding with me on System

I don’t think CODE is exclusive from TA, maybe they were the first ones? The paragraph I posted earlier is from Sharp, I believe there are others that have used it too.

And yeah I am with you with system

Edit: found that Canon and Brother also used the CODE key, probably among many others.

[earlilano]

Will the core kit be enough for the Kira keyboard by Input Club? I can't wait to purchase these.

[nerium]

I'm 100% in for this! I've been scouring the internet for GMK BoW and/or WoB for when my M60A comes and this is exactly what I was looking for. Pumped!

[duckboi]

Will the core kit be enough for the Kira keyboard by Input Club? I can't wait to purchase these.

Yes, it will cover the Kira. Thanks for the support!! 

[SolidCactus]

This looks like such a great set. I can't wait to pick this one up.

[JSaintS]

Seems like forever since I've update the OP.

We updated the Core and the compatibility kit, here they are:

Also, for those that did not see it, the list of vendors is final:

• EU: MyKeyboard.eu
• States: Kono.store
• Asia/rest of the world: zFrontier

Time to put money aside folks, this is happening for sure

[SolidCactus]

Awesome update! I'm ready to snap this one up.

Any ideas on when the GB might start?

[JSaintS]

Awesome update! I'm ready to snap this one up.

Any ideas on when the GB might start?

We don't have an official date yet but we are aiming at the end of Q3

[otanishock]

Awesome update! I'm ready to snap this one up.

Any ideas on when the GB might start?

We don't have an official date yet but we are aiming at the end of Q3

Can't wait. The hype is real. Any word on those novelties? Still wish to see they could come to life!

[Puddsy]

windowed caps YES

[darthzero]

Seems like forever since I've update the OP.

We updated the Core and the compatibility kit, here they are:

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Also, for those that did not see it, the list of vendors is final:

• EU: MyKeyboard.eu
• States: Kono.store
• Asia/rest of the world: zFrontier

Time to put money aside folks, this is happening for sure

Any idea what the compatibility kit will cost? 40$+? 

[Marutks]

I am interested.  I think this kit would look great on black RAMA M60   

[Snappo]

windowed caps YES

 

Seems like forever since I've update the OP.

We updated the Core and the compatibility kit, here they are:

Show Image

Show Image

Also, for those that did not see it, the list of vendors is final:

• EU: MyKeyboard.eu
• States: Kono.store
• Asia/rest of the world: zFrontier

Time to put money aside folks, this is happening for sure

Any idea what the compatibility kit will cost? 40$+? 

Yeah around there.

I am interested.  I think this kit would look great on black RAMA M60   

Something like this?

[JSaintS]

Heya everyone!

We trimmed the core kit a little bit to bring the cost down a little more. Here is the final design of the core kit:


With that finalized, we also have the prices for all three vendors:

Vendors		Base kit (MOQ 150)		Compatibility kit (MOQ 150)		RAMA X/O		RAMA Laser-etched X/O
MyKeyboard (EU)		132€		37€		42€		44€
KONO (USA)		$140		$40		$36		$38
zFrontier (Asia)1		$1402|$1552		$40|$45		$36		$38

¹ Please note that all their prices include shipping whilst that is not the case for other vendors.
² Prices on the left are for China, prices on the right are for the other countries (price difference explained by the difference in shipping costs)

Also, there will be different price drops depending on the MOQ we hit, so talk about the set to your mom, your cat, your neighbors, the pope!

[Altain]

HYPED

[chuckdee]

Just to make sure- those kits are final, correct?  Just making sure as you'd said something about a spacebar kit- not having the space bars in the extras, which includes a lot of other keys.

[duckboi]

Just to make sure- those kits are final, correct?  Just making sure as you'd said something about a spacebar kit- not having the space bars in the extras, which includes a lot of other keys.

Yes they're final.

[Marutks]

We trimmed the core kit a little bit to bring the cost down a little more.

No 1.5u Code keys?  and only one 1u ctrl / alt ?   It makes this kit incompatible with HHKB layout,  RAMA M60, for example.

[tomu]

We trimmed the core kit a little bit to bring the cost down a little more.

No 1.5u Code keys?  and only one 1u ctrl / alt ?   It makes this kit incompatible with HHKB layout,  RAMA M60, for example.

nice

[otanishock]

Million dollars question. When is the drop? My body is ready

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[tomu]

Million dollars question. When is the drop? My body is ready

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They're aiming for end of Q3

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[Water lee]

really nice with elephant .

[Kerasan]

GMK Metaverse is better

points of view ... I do not like weeb legend so I think the opposite. Also they are two different sets.

KMK Labs.

[duckboi]

No 1.5u Code keys?  and only one 1u ctrl / alt ?   It makes this kit incompatible with HHKB layout,  RAMA M60, for example.

It's not incompatible. There are still R4 1.5u alt and control keys that you are free to use as well as 1u Code keys. The point of this kit is to have compatible keys for as many layouts as possible, not to have perfect legends for every single layout. Thank you for the concern though! 

[HOBI3CAT]

Something about the simplicity of the white/black is so nice! Really excited for this set