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Title: [IC] CW 88/60 (PROJECT SCRAPPED AND UPDATED)
Post by: cruelworld on Thu, 07 May 2020, 15:41:27
whaddup everybody

this project has long since been scrapped, redesigned and is now progressing into a groupbuy - will revisit colored poly in the future:


In the mean time follow the new thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=115297.msg3094417;boardseen#new

or come hang out with us on discord: https://discord.gg/cGQhbhm


Special thanks to the following for their expert advice:

Cable maker Hexaphant of https://coaxius.com (https://coaxius.com)
PCB Fabricator Hineybush of hineybush.com (http://hineybush.com)
Renderer Kingk22 of https://kingk22.xyz (https://kingk22.xyz)



(https://i.imgur.com/5EeSaFA.jpg)

CW60

HHKB 60% Layout
Available in 'smoked' grey dyed polycarbonate and white untreated polycarbonate
Optional aluminum top enclosure
5.5˚ typing angle
'Koala' side profile
Proprietary plate (polycarbonate, stainless steel, full/half plate options)
TPU printed gaskets (60A)
Transparent silicone silencing mat
Polished stainless steel internal weight



(https://i.imgur.com/P4yXLpE.jpg)

CW88

88% WKL TKL ‘F13’ top row
Fixed internal cable with LEMO connector and yank proof mounting assembly
Available in 'smoked' grey dyed polycarbonate and white untreated polycarbonate
Optional aluminum top enclosure
5.5˚ typing angle
'Koala' side profile
Proprietary plate available in polycarbonate, stainless steel, full/half plate options
TPU printed gaskets (60A)
Transparent silicone silencing mat
Polished stainless steel internal weight
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: switchnollie on Thu, 07 May 2020, 16:02:11
Lookin good, boss :cool:
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: mta on Thu, 07 May 2020, 16:14:28
Really like the smoked gray look
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: Fredington on Thu, 07 May 2020, 16:23:23
Interested in the 60.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: pchoi on Thu, 07 May 2020, 16:35:23
That 60 looks niceeee. $375 on the other hand... ouch
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: Rejeckted on Thu, 07 May 2020, 16:47:34
Never really got into the HHKB layout, love that smoked TKL though.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 07 May 2020, 17:07:57
Looks good. Looking forward to seeing how this turns out once you've found a manufacturer; I think that's gonna be the crucial part.

I wish the not happy/not sad smiley were somewhere on the board though. Gives off strong rave vibes.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: Jaltr on Thu, 07 May 2020, 17:28:40
Yes, please.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: Vyndem on Thu, 07 May 2020, 17:36:07
Will there be a hotswap pcb option?
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: yhs on Thu, 07 May 2020, 17:37:41
I’m in.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cruelworld on Thu, 07 May 2020, 17:48:33
Looks good. Looking forward to seeing how this turns out once you've found a manufacturer; I think that's gonna be the crucial part.

I wish the not happy/not sad smiley were somewhere on the board though. Gives off strong rave vibes.

A fabricator has been sourced for all components, my most crucial concern is ensuring a consistent dye job for the enclosure. One thing I forgot to mention is that I plan on making my STEP file for the gaskets open source following the groupbuy, while 60A is typical for gaskets I want to encourage people to print them in different TPU hardness types or even Delrin/Pom plastic.

The logo will be present though it's not featured in renders; as of now it's placed as a plate engraving on the right-side HHKB blocker and above the arrow cluster on the TKL. I've also considered doing a white enamel fill on both so that they're visible through the top enclosure but we'll explore that more when prototypes arrive.

Will there be a hotswap pcb option?

Sorry, not really interested in doing hotswap.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 07 May 2020, 17:58:22
A fabricator has been sourced for all components, my most crucial concern is ensuring a consistent dye job for the enclosure. One thing I forgot to mention is that I plan on making my STEP file for the gaskets open source following the groupbuy, while 60A is typical for gaskets I want to encourage people to print them in different TPU hardness types or even Delrin/Pom plastic.
:thumb: You've got your head in the right place. Best of luck, I'm looking forward to seeing the fruits.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: Owl on Thu, 07 May 2020, 18:43:07
uh yes. Dyed PC looks SO good. I'll take one.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: ab042896 on Thu, 07 May 2020, 18:49:14
I love the look of dyed PC, I'm not a fan of the plain PC typically, but this might bring it to another level. 
Do you have any angles featuring the silicone silencing mat? Is it an internal dampener or is it replacing bottom side bumpers?
Also F13  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cruelworld on Thu, 07 May 2020, 19:51:45
I love the look of dyed PC, I'm not a fan of the plain PC typically, but this might bring it to another level. 
Do you have any angles featuring the silicone silencing mat? Is it an internal dampener or is it replacing bottom side bumpers?
Also F13  :thumb:

Unfortunately it's kinda' difficult to show in renders but the first one will likely ship before the enclosure prototype, expect some pictures shortly. It's essentially a large mat of lasercut silicone that seats into the bottom of the case with a center cutout around the weight. I chose silicone as it's easy to cut, comes in a variety of different weights and is transparent so it remains fairly camouflaged inside of a transparent case. Of the material samples I've handled so far, I would compare it to what you'd find in a Silpat baking mat in terms of texture and pliability.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: despairsray on Thu, 07 May 2020, 20:36:09
This looks amazing, very interested.

Is it just me or your discord link not working? it says it is invalid
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cruelworld on Thu, 07 May 2020, 20:40:51
This looks amazing, very interested.

Is it just me or your discord link not working? it says it is invalid

Discord link fixed! Thanks for the heads up.

https://discord.gg/cGQhbhm
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: ab042896 on Thu, 07 May 2020, 21:02:12
I love the look of dyed PC, I'm not a fan of the plain PC typically, but this might bring it to another level. 
Do you have any angles featuring the silicone silencing mat? Is it an internal dampener or is it replacing bottom side bumpers?
Also F13  :thumb:

Unfortunately it's kinda' difficult to show in renders but the first one will likely ship before the enclosure prototype, expect some pictures shortly. It's essentially a large mat of lasercut silicone that seats into the bottom of the case with a center cutout around the weight. I chose silicone as it's easy to cut, comes in a variety of different weights and is transparent so it remains fairly camouflaged inside of a transparent case. Of the material samples I've handled so far, I would compare it to what you'd find in a Silpat baking mat in terms of texture and pliability.
 
 
Love it, the transparency of PC is a blessing and a curse, although I'm sure this'll pair nicely
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: noorejji on Thu, 07 May 2020, 21:58:51
I like the look of the TKL, but a bit too pricey for me. GL with IC!
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: Vadurr on Thu, 07 May 2020, 23:20:04
This def looks promising.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: huey on Fri, 08 May 2020, 03:56:11
Is it really necessary to go through your website(that serves no purpose other than branding) to fill out an IC form done using google docs. Just link your site, if people want to go to it then they will. If they don't, they won't.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 08 May 2020, 04:06:52
Any ISO for the TKL?
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cmd on Fri, 08 May 2020, 06:54:48
Looking forward to the 88  :p

Potential is v strong with this design. Agree with photekq. I think the logo should make it somewhere on the board.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: ab042896 on Fri, 08 May 2020, 07:50:30
Potential is v strong with this design. Agree with photekq. I think the logo should make it somewhere on the board.
 
My preference is always on the side of no obvious branding, however the proposal for plate engraving considering a semi-transparent case sounds like a nice middle ground for those who prefer such a thing. 
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cruelworld on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:54:41
Any ISO for the TKL?

ISO support included!

Potential is v strong with this design. Agree with photekq. I think the logo should make it somewhere on the board.
 
My preference is always on the side of no obvious branding, however the proposal for plate engraving considering a semi-transparent case sounds like a nice middle ground for those who prefer such a thing. 

I'm a big fan of 'subtle enough' branding I guess I would call it and I love to play with typography and graphic design - have quite a few ideas I can't wait to show you guys in the near future.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: mrkantz on Fri, 08 May 2020, 15:20:55
I normally hate branding on boards, but I want his board for the branding
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 08 May 2020, 18:31:39
Any ISO for the TKL?

ISO support included!

Potential is v strong with this design. Agree with photekq. I think the logo should make it somewhere on the board.
 
My preference is always on the side of no obvious branding, however the proposal for plate engraving considering a semi-transparent case sounds like a nice middle ground for those who prefer such a thing. 

I'm a big fan of 'subtle enough' branding I guess I would call it and I love to play with typography and graphic design - have quite a few ideas I can't wait to show you guys in the near future.

OK now you have my attention.  Is both colours available in both boards?
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cruelworld on Fri, 08 May 2020, 20:07:55
Any ISO for the TKL?

ISO support included!

Potential is v strong with this design. Agree with photekq. I think the logo should make it somewhere on the board.
 
My preference is always on the side of no obvious branding, however the proposal for plate engraving considering a semi-transparent case sounds like a nice middle ground for those who prefer such a thing. 

I'm a big fan of 'subtle enough' branding I guess I would call it and I love to play with typography and graphic design - have quite a few ideas I can't wait to show you guys in the near future.

OK now you have my attention.  Is both colours available in both boards?

Both colors for both boards with an option to add a corresponding aluminum top (grey and silver) similar to what was offered in the Lynn Whale GB, another one of my favorite boards.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: hottrout on Sat, 09 May 2020, 03:23:53
Any ISO for the TKL?

ISO support included!

Potential is v strong with this design. Agree with photekq. I think the logo should make it somewhere on the board.
 
My preference is always on the side of no obvious branding, however the proposal for plate engraving considering a semi-transparent case sounds like a nice middle ground for those who prefer such a thing. 

I'm a big fan of 'subtle enough' branding I guess I would call it and I love to play with typography and graphic design - have quite a few ideas I can't wait to show you guys in the near future.

OK now you have my attention.  Is both colours available in both boards?

Both colors for both boards with an option to add a corresponding aluminum top (grey and silver) similar to what was offered in the Lynn Whale GB, another one of my favorite boards.

Nice, the dark charcoal is really nice.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: socalmitch on Sat, 09 May 2020, 15:58:51
Really interested in that TKL!

I like the smile/frown logo more than "Cruelworld" on the weight but other than that boards look good!
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: Lazy_Borzoi on Sun, 10 May 2020, 19:13:32
Very nice. Looking forward to the TKL.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: leexy on Sun, 10 May 2020, 19:18:14
cruel price tho
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: prizeS on Sun, 10 May 2020, 22:14:45
cruel price tho

i see what you did there  :))

TKL be looking good! Should be in for a smoked PC 88 given that I don't buy too many TKL's before this runs.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: 2truth on Sun, 10 May 2020, 22:35:20
This looks clean! Great job. Been wanting a polycarb and I enjoy the hhkb layout, so if this is made I'm in for sure.

if the duo smiley gets printed where the hhkb branding is placed,
I'm buying two :-)
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cruelworld on Mon, 11 May 2020, 19:11:13
Hey there everyone! Just touching base, another rainy week in quarantine has proved more productive than initially planned and we're moving through our timeline faster than anticipated! With various prototype parts either in the post or being fabricated I hope to provide you with a more comprehensive update by the end of this week.

 This will likely include packaging samples, cable prototype samples from coaxius, gasket and silicone samples, some slight changes regarding changes in the final design, detailed information regarding groupbuy run times and deadlines as well as a website overhaul. Finally upon the arrival of our enclosures we'll wrap things up with an extensive prototype photoshoot before sending all four kits to two preselected and highly regarded build streamers for review as previously mentioned.

 For any questions feel free to drop me a line and I'll get back to you as soon as I can, otherwise be safe and have a great day!
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: yui46 on Mon, 11 May 2020, 21:17:23
Interesting, will be keeping track for sure.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: avtar on Mon, 11 May 2020, 22:32:55
Branding on the plate sounds reasonable. If it's visible on the board then I'll pass.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: jani80k on Tue, 12 May 2020, 08:27:07
Any ISO for the TKL?

ISO support included!

Supergood!
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: segami on Mon, 18 May 2020, 12:30:20
Submitted the IC forms for both. Praying the TKL will be alps compatible with either the provided pcb or hineys. And pls no FCFS🙏
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: dlavelle94 on Mon, 18 May 2020, 13:12:06
A very nice board and design but the $550 - 600 is very off putting
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: Nvr_Smile on Mon, 18 May 2020, 18:18:44
This just might be the first 60 I try to get into. Super nice looking board. Excited to hear any new updates.
Title: Re: [IC](nice things)CRUEL WORLD ® CW88 + CW60
Post by: johnny__whitewalker on Mon, 18 May 2020, 18:24:18
Submitted the IC forms for both. Praying the TKL will be alps compatible with either the provided pcb or hineys. And pls no FCFS🙏

He said they'll be available in limited qty's :(
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cruelworld on Wed, 20 May 2020, 18:12:12
Hey everybody, just a few updates as we progress through to the end of the month. With prototypes in production, cable swatches being selected and website updates underway I’m pleased to announce everything is coming together rather quickly.

That said there have been a few slight changes for the better:

- Gasket construction has been changed from a 3D printed TPU to injection molded silicone. With future groupbuys planned and cross compatibility between boards I wanted to guarantee a more consistent gasket with a more streamlined production process. This gasket will be the same standardized 60A hardness as the original and will come in a transparent silicone to better obscure its view inside of our polycarbonate case. Buyers will still have access to the gaskets STL file via a QR coded customer card that will be shipped with the kit in the event that they want to experiment with different material types or hardnesses.

- The internal weight design has changed significantly and now features the logo rather than the original typeface, several engravings have been added to both the plate and inverse of the weight. In addition to design, weight finish will be changing from a high polish to a brushed finish after reviewing some sample materials.

- Cable wrap options for the included cable on the 88-key TKL will include either a black MDPC-X or a white MDPC-X per customers preference.

Expect more updates over the coming weeks and feel free to join my Discord for more details: https://discord.gg/c6X5x2


And finally, some exploded views to give you a better idea of how this thing goes together:
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: zekkin on Wed, 20 May 2020, 18:23:43
Hey everybody, just a few updates as we progress through to the end of the month. With prototypes in production, cable swatches being selected and website updates underway I’m pleased to announce everything is coming together rather quickly.

That said there have been a few slight changes for the better:

- Gasket construction has been changed from a 3D printed TPU to injection molded silicone. With future groupbuys planned and cross compatibility between boards I wanted to guarantee a more consistent gasket with a more streamlined production process. This gasket will be the same standardized 60A hardness as the original and will come in a transparent silicone to better obscure its view inside of our polycarbonate case. Buyers will still have access to the gaskets STL file via a QR coded customer card that will be shipped with the kit in the event that they want to experiment with different material types or hardnesses.

- The internal weight design has changed significantly and now features the logo rather than the original typeface, several engravings have been added to both the plate and inverse of the weight. In addition to design, weight finish will be changing from a high polish to a matte finish after reviewing some sample materials.

- Cable wrap options for the included cable on the 88-key TKL will include either a black MDPC-X or a white MDPC-X per customers preference.

Expect more updates over the coming weeks and feel free to join my Discord for more details: https://discord.gg/c6X5x2


And finally, some exploded views to give you a better idea of how this thing goes together:

uncheck lineweights when you're exporting the pdf from fusion
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Wed, 20 May 2020, 18:24:18
Hey everybody, just a few updates as we progress through to the end of the month. With prototypes in production, cable swatches being selected and website updates underway I’m pleased to announce everything is coming together rather quickly.

That said there have been a few slight changes for the better:

- Gasket construction has been changed from a 3D printed TPU to injection molded silicone. With future groupbuys planned and cross compatibility between boards I wanted to guarantee a more consistent gasket with a more streamlined production process. This gasket will be the same standardized 60A hardness as the original and will come in a transparent silicone to better obscure its view inside of our polycarbonate case. Buyers will still have access to the gaskets STL file via a QR coded customer card that will be shipped with the kit in the event that they want to experiment with different material types or hardnesses.

- The internal weight design has changed significantly and now features the logo rather than the original typeface, several engravings have been added to both the plate and inverse of the weight. In addition to design, weight finish will be changing from a high polish to a matte finish after reviewing some sample materials.

- Cable wrap options for the included cable on the 88-key TKL will include either a black MDPC-X or a white MDPC-X per customers preference.

Expect more updates over the coming weeks and feel free to join my Discord for more details: https://discord.gg/c6X5x2


And finally, some exploded views to give you a better idea of how this thing goes together:

Is it a custom pcb? Or can a standard one work?
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cruelworld on Wed, 20 May 2020, 18:39:10
A very nice board and design but the $550 - 600 is very off putting
Thanks! Unfortunately keeping costs low is difficult when factoring in multiple proprietary parts, a custom colored small batch dye process, injection molded gaskets, etc.

uncheck lineweights when you're exporting the pdf from fusion
Thanks for this, fixing ASAP.
This just might be the first 60 I try to get into. Super nice looking board. Excited to hear any new updates.
Thanks for your support and feel free to hit me up if you have any questions!

Submitted the IC forms for both. Praying the TKL will be alps compatible with either the provided pcb or hineys. And pls no FCFS🙏
;( open buy, sorry. The latest reiteration of the H88 does in fact support alps, though the first round of this board won't. Following a second round I'd like to introduce alps support via a secondary groupbuy with different gasket/plate material options if there's enough interest.

Is it a custom pcb? Or can a standard one work?
The TKL will utilize the latest version of the H88 whereas I'm still trying to determine which 60% PCB will be shipped with the kit though it does feature support for the most common options.

Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Wed, 20 May 2020, 18:54:25
Oh snap alright
Thanks
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: thestateofmay on Wed, 20 May 2020, 22:09:34
Insta buy if available in more colors.
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cruelworld on Wed, 20 May 2020, 22:22:59
Insta buy if available in more colors.

That’s the idea eventually! Once I can prove consistency in the dye process with this run I’d like to expand into other colors as well.

Out of curiosity, what colors would you like to see offered?
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: thestateofmay on Wed, 20 May 2020, 22:50:13
I don't have specifics in mind but I would love to see brighter colors like yellow, blue, or green. White would probably also be a safe bet.
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: Vadurr on Wed, 20 May 2020, 23:09:14
Insta buy if available in more colors.

That’s the idea eventually! Once I can prove consistency in the dye process with this run I’d like to expand into other colors as well.

Out of curiosity, what colors would you like to see offered?

I'll bet most people would love pastels of all colors.
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: thestateofmay on Wed, 20 May 2020, 23:21:38
Oh, and also looking for the plateless option lol
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: synthtastic on Wed, 20 May 2020, 23:34:28
Really dig the aesthetics. Looking forward to more info on this.
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: syke on Wed, 20 May 2020, 23:45:01
Nice looking TKL. Pity it is WKL.
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cmd on Thu, 21 May 2020, 07:02:35
Oh, and also looking for the plateless option lol

What...? I think you need to look for another board bruv. I am no scientist but I am certain plate less is not a thing that can be done here.
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cmd on Thu, 21 May 2020, 07:03:33
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Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: Luciqueii on Thu, 21 May 2020, 07:19:37
So, no renders from a side view?
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cruelworld on Thu, 21 May 2020, 14:20:43
Nice looking TKL. Pity it is WKL.
Next round I promise.
Oh, and also looking for the plateless option lol
Not sure I can quite help you there.
Insta buy if available in more colors.

That’s the idea eventually! Once I can prove consistency in the dye process with this run I’d like to expand into other colors as well.

Out of curiosity, what colors would you like to see offered?

I'll bet most people would love pastels of all colors.
Noted!
So, no renders from a side view?
Not at this time, prototypes are in production so stay tuned for more info.
Really dig the aesthetics. Looking forward to more info on this.
Thanks! I'll have more up as the month progresses.
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: ab042896 on Thu, 21 May 2020, 19:29:31
So the dye process is a surface finish treatment as opposed to a formulation of PC featuring a colourant additive (which is likely prohibitively expensive)?

If this is the case, how does the dying process work? On a scale of wood stain to anodization, where would it lay for comparison?
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cruelworld on Sun, 24 May 2020, 14:23:39
So the dye process is a surface finish treatment as opposed to a formulation of PC featuring a colourant additive (which is likely prohibitively expensive)?

If this is the case, how does the dying process work? On a scale of wood stain to anodization, where would it lay for comparison?

Correct, what you're describing is injection molded polycarbonate (similar to the process in making our silicone gaskets) while this is a surface treatment. We're using a circulated cold-water solvent based, timed, immersion technique with a stop/start bath and a very high quality commercial plastics dye. Use of a timed, dilluted solvent creates a more color saturated product while avoiding compromising the integrity of the plastic. It also avoids having to introduce heat to the equation to prevent warping and keep the fit tight.
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: ab042896 on Sun, 24 May 2020, 14:29:16
Correct, what you're describing is injection molded polycarbonate (similar to the process in making our silicone gaskets) while this is a surface treatment. We're using a circulated cold-water solvent based, timed, immersion technique with a stop/start bath and a very high quality commercial plastics dye. Use of a timed, dilluted solvent creates a more color saturated product while avoiding compromising the integrity of the plastic. It also avoids having to introduce heat to the equation to prevent warping and keep the fit tight.

Really interesting, this sort of process is not something I am at all familiar with, excited to see how the process turns out!
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: cruelworld on Sun, 24 May 2020, 14:42:53
Correct, what you're describing is injection molded polycarbonate (similar to the process in making our silicone gaskets) while this is a surface treatment. We're using a circulated cold-water solvent based, timed, immersion technique with a stop/start bath and a very high quality commercial plastics dye. Use of a timed, dilluted solvent creates a more color saturated product while avoiding compromising the integrity of the plastic. It also avoids having to introduce heat to the equation to prevent warping and keep the fit tight.

Really interesting, this sort of process is not something I am at all familiar with, excited to see how the process turns out!

Thanks! I'll have dye samples here shortly to show everybody. It's a very involved process and there are lots of opportunities to fumble it.

Dye pigment can settle on parts leaving splotches and fades, introduction of heat can warp plastic if handled improperly during the process (in thinner pieces I've been told that even high impact plastics can become slightly brittle over time), some solvents are potentially dangerous (super combustible, anyone considering doing this at home please do not heat up a penetrating solvent, if you do be weary of what medium you use to dillute it as this can create a volatile chemical reaction) and an improperly measured medium/inaccurately timed dye bath will straight up dissolve your enclosure.

It's been a fun problem to navigate but I'm fortunate enough to know people that work in this very specific industry.
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: adamjohari on Mon, 25 May 2020, 01:07:29
I think what we can learn from Infinitum is that don't worry too much about the price. Put something out there that's really high quality. Have a really good typing test (eg: koen romers). People will buy into it. Watching this closely. Good luck!
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: thestateofmay on Mon, 25 May 2020, 01:16:32
I'm so excited for this  ;D
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: __B on Thu, 28 May 2020, 07:05:45
Defo going to cop!!
Title: Re: [IC](nt)CRUEL WORLD® CW88 + CW60
Post by: thestateofmay on Sun, 31 May 2020, 23:27:16
This is right now the only HHKB PC case with PC half plate and gasket mount. The aesthetic is also on point. I've been looking for a month now and the only other option is Polaris PC but the GB is over.

Any updates on this? I'm waiting for this like a little kid and his Christmas present lol.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% & 60% (Polycarbonate) PROTOTYPES DELIVERED
Post by: cruelworld on Mon, 06 July 2020, 14:50:36
A few quick pictures before prototypes are dropped off for dye and surface treatment. Expect quite a few updates, pictures and an official groupbuy thread here shortly.

(https://i.imgur.com/NEhGVij.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0glBbC2.jpg)

Those interested can follow us on Discord for more direct updates: https://discord.gg/cGQhbhm

Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: ab042896 on Mon, 06 July 2020, 19:08:07
Looking clean, excited to see how the dyeing process comes out  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: cruelworld on Tue, 07 July 2020, 22:19:18
Looking clean, excited to see how the dyeing process comes out  :thumb:

Should be ready over the next few day. Thanks for your interest!
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: cruelworld on Wed, 08 July 2020, 18:21:00
(https://i.imgur.com/hFtLpvw.jpg)

Dye samples starting to drop!
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: noorejji on Wed, 08 July 2020, 21:28:08
Well ain't that something for the blue/purple Nintendo 64 fans.

Edit:
What other colors are you looking to sample. Any chance for a dark green?
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 09 July 2020, 02:51:07
That is a little more purple than I was expecting.  I like the dark blue or the charcoal colour.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: MMKB on Thu, 09 July 2020, 11:08:43
Looks really promising. Bezels are thick and clean too. I’ll probably get it cerakoted in some less saturated color if you could offer a ready-to-paint option  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: Tonkatonk on Thu, 09 July 2020, 13:09:34
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hFtLpvw.jpg)


Dye samples starting to drop!

It is a cruel world after all.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: Nvr_Smile on Thu, 09 July 2020, 22:17:19
Looks really promising. Bezels are thick and clean too. I’ll probably get it cerakoted in some less saturated color if you could offer a ready-to-paint option  :thumb:

Board will also be offered undyed, so you could probably paint that.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: cruelworld on Sun, 02 August 2020, 18:51:24
Hey guys! Sorry for the delay. If you don't follow the Discord I've just launched a private prototype groupbuy implementing some slight functional design changes.

Attached are mylar zips that will ship with the our upcoming F13 TKL groupbuy. One of the things that I've always thought could use improvement in terms of the group buy format is the understandable lack of customer care following your purchase. Though it's difficult to provide this level of attentiveness as most groupbuys are run by a handful of people at most - I was convinced there had to be a way to bridge the gap between designer and customer and better organize details specific to your purchase without requiring you to dig through old Geekhack posts.

 Scanning this QR code with your phone will take you to a private page with the following information:

- Future groupbuy schedule. From add-on parts (plates, different weights, personalized cablework) to other groupbuys.

- Hardware specifications. Lose a screw? Need to replace a JST connector? Save yourself some time and effort.

- Collaborator links. In the event that you sell your board, attaching the card for the next buyer will let it's new owner know who to contact in the event that they need to replace a PCB or commission a different colored cable.

- Build guides. First build? Unsure of how to solder a JST connector? Detailed infographics will make the process smoother and save you from botching your new keyboard build.

- Photo submission. I desperately want to see what you do with your kit! Submitting your build guarantees that I can see it and thusly add it to a planned user submitted gallery.

As transparency and communication are important to me I’d love to see what other ideas you guys have in mind, feel free to suggest what other information you’d like to see so I can make a better product! To those of you contacting me about the inclusion of the Black LEMO cable groupbuy being run by Coaxius Cables. I’m already figuring out a way to implement this product into future group buys, just not this one in particular.


(https://i.imgur.com/kO5GJpE.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/mBCYHPd.jpg)

As always, if you'd like to follow this project more closely check us out on Discord: https://discord.gg/bCBem4E
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: prizeS on Sun, 02 August 2020, 21:06:25
great update. really like the idea with bridging the gap between warranty and service after purchase. i think that's going to become a bigger and bigger talking point as the hobby grows, and im glad someone is bringing it up.

as someone that's trying to potentially run a board as well it's definitely interesting. definitely count me in on the GB as well, smoked PC F13 TKL is a must buy for me. cheers and GL with this round of protos.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: basedRNC on Sun, 02 August 2020, 21:33:11
🤩😮😮 PLEASE make a 65
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: kiandelmundo on Mon, 03 August 2020, 00:17:38
Gameboy vibes right there
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: cruelworld on Mon, 03 August 2020, 21:04:42
great update. really like the idea with bridging the gap between warranty and service after purchase. i think that's going to become a bigger and bigger talking point as the hobby grows, and im glad someone is bringing it up.

as someone that's trying to potentially run a board as well it's definitely interesting. definitely count me in on the GB as well, smoked PC F13 TKL is a must buy for me. cheers and GL with this round of protos.
thanks for your interest!
🤩😮😮 PLEASE make a 65
A few other things in the works before I get to a 65%, luckily there's tons of cool options coming out lately it seems like.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: zap2oz on Sun, 09 August 2020, 23:36:58
Proto looks great! Looking forward to the GB
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: pickoloh on Mon, 10 August 2020, 11:35:01
interested!
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: nalgene on Mon, 10 August 2020, 11:50:34
Not sure if the IC is closed, but getting a domain error on the site you link for the form.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: cruelworld on Mon, 10 August 2020, 12:20:12
Not sure if the IC is closed, but getting a domain error on the site you link for the form.

Thanks for pointing this out! The original IC is being hosted on our site which is currently down for construction + addition of our webshop. Once our new prototypes arrive and updated version will feature all of the many changes and additional options that this project has been afforded.

In the interim I encourage you to join us on Discord as updates happen frequently.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: cruelworld on Mon, 31 August 2020, 17:26:57
Hey there gang, stopping by with some quick updates.

(https://i.imgur.com/nYXZ2yo.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BGgbrFe.jpg)

Just received the finalized cabling samples from Coaxius cables and the newest reiteration of the Hineybush H88 for our private prototype groupbuy.

Those interested can fill out the revised IC for both boards here:

ACW88: https://forms.gle/kvCQqCwQ7B7KFb3UA

ACW60: https://forms.gle/ieHpoL4H9YqduYUY7

Updates are posted frequently in the Discord: https://discord.gg/ZY3frys
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: cruelworld on Wed, 09 September 2020, 10:18:28
Finalized prototype for ACW88 before they're off to get dyed.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ckly9XZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ieTst7h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Kjyz0u0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JSxtw2b.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: ramnes on Wed, 09 September 2020, 10:44:40
interested
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 09 September 2020, 13:07:18
Looks awesome.  Y’all got any plans for aqua/teal?
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: zoo on Thu, 10 September 2020, 00:34:31
Collaborator links are a great idea! Do you mean links to contact the cable and PCB fabs like hexaphant of coaxius and hineybush? Would also be a nice touch to add a certificate of authenticity or card of info that helps trace who the board changed hands with as well to understand the chain of ownership.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: zoo on Thu, 10 September 2020, 00:35:13
btw, the nicethingscruelworld.com website is no longer active.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: audax989 on Thu, 10 September 2020, 06:35:36
are there any more pictures for the mounting of the plate?
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: cruelworld on Thu, 10 September 2020, 12:41:06
Collaborator links are a great idea! Do you mean links to contact the cable and PCB fabs like hexaphant of coaxius and hineybush? Would also be a nice touch to add a certificate of authenticity or card of info that helps trace who the board changed hands with as well to understand the chain of ownership.

The QR card features a lot of this. I like the idea of adding a sort of ledger to know how the board has progressed through the aftermarket. Thanks for your input!

are there any more pictures for the mounting of the plate?

I'll take some pictures this afternoon in terms of how the gaskets slide on and fit into the board.

Looks awesome.  Y’all got any plans for aqua/teal?

I'm prototyping an 87 key standardized TKL based around the H87, for the third color I'm considering some shade of blue as it's been requested quite a bit. As the dye process is applied by a third party fabricator I'm trying to limit it to three colors per layout. 60 for example features pink, 88 is purple, some sort of blue for an 87.

btw, the nicethingscruelworld.com website is no longer active.

Website is pulled for maintenance in the meantime but I'll have it up shortly with the webshop once we're closer to the Oct 15th groupbuy date. This thread will also split up into board specific groupbuy threads just to keep things easier to navigated.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 10 September 2020, 22:03:34
87 key in a shade of blue is my jam  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: CustomerSupport on Fri, 11 September 2020, 02:15:13
That CW60 looks great! I would say, the CW88 would have been an easy sell but I'm not real big on fixed cables.

Interested to hear about pricing for both
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: Harke on Fri, 11 September 2020, 07:47:54
In for the TKL.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: kevchigga on Fri, 11 September 2020, 08:36:27
Looking really good! What's the price point we're looking at here?
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: Nvr_Smile on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:26:01
Looking really good! What's the price point we're looking at here?

Base of $550 USD for ACW88 and $375 for the ACW60. Price will be higher if you want the board dyed or want SS weigh/plate.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% & 60% (Polycarbonate) PROTOTYPES DELIVERED
Post by: dibstern on Thu, 17 September 2020, 08:16:20
A few quick pictures before prototypes are dropped off for dye and surface treatment. Expect quite a few updates, pictures and an official groupbuy thread here shortly.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/NEhGVij.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0glBbC2.jpg)


Those interested can follow us on Discord for more direct updates: https://discord.gg/cGQhbhm
Am I weird for really liking this pre-dye colour?

Edit: Oh wait it's not hot swap, never mind
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% & 60% (Polycarbonate) PROTOTYPES DELIVERED
Post by: audax989 on Thu, 17 September 2020, 21:44:18
A few quick pictures before prototypes are dropped off for dye and surface treatment. Expect quite a few updates, pictures and an official groupbuy thread here shortly.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/NEhGVij.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0glBbC2.jpg)


Those interested can follow us on Discord for more direct updates: https://discord.gg/cGQhbhm
Am I weird for really liking this pre-dye colour?

Edit: Oh wait it's not hot swap, never mind

the board not supporting hotswap shouldn't be a deal breaker :(
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: treeleaf64 on Thu, 17 September 2020, 22:15:25
gl
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: bsanto on Mon, 21 September 2020, 02:55:59
that smoked TKL tho. btw is the case seamless? what PCB do you use? and does fixed cable mean that it'll always dangle from the keyboard?
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: zedbraxmen on Sun, 27 September 2020, 21:01:37
that smoked TKL tho. btw is the case seamless? what PCB do you use? and does fixed cable mean that it'll always dangle from the keyboard?

The fixed cable does mean that it'll always dangle (like a short tail), but i don't think the length of the fixed cable is long enough to be a bother, but might be awkward if it were to be put in a case or something.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% & 60% (Polycarbonate) PROTOTYPES DELIVERED
Post by: dibstern on Thu, 15 October 2020, 08:22:08
A few quick pictures before prototypes are dropped off for dye and surface treatment. Expect quite a few updates, pictures and an official groupbuy thread here shortly.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/NEhGVij.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0glBbC2.jpg)


Those interested can follow us on Discord for more direct updates: https://discord.gg/cGQhbhm
Am I weird for really liking this pre-dye colour?

Edit: Oh wait it's not hot swap, never mind

the board not supporting hotswap shouldn't be a deal breaker :(

It was a dealbreaker for me at the time, but that was before I realised that Mill-max sockets are a decent option :)
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: Arithmetics on Thu, 15 October 2020, 10:54:47
love when someone say's they'll be out unless a certain feature is supported. meanwhile there's like 1000 entries for 100 spots on these GBs...
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: nikotypo on Wed, 19 May 2021, 03:35:25
Love this!

Is is it too late to get in the GB for the Poly TKL? The website seems to be down and I couldn't find any info on the Discord.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: audax989 on Wed, 19 May 2021, 04:16:36
Love this!

Is is it too late to get in the GB for the Poly TKL? The website seems to be down and I couldn't find any info on the Discord.

Polycarb version will run after Aluminum gb is completed. Nothing has been started yet.
Title: Re: [IC] ACW 88% + 60% - Dyed Polycarb (PROTOTYPE UPDATE)
Post by: depressed burrito on Sat, 22 May 2021, 11:07:27
looks awesome!!
Title: Re: [IC] CW 88/60 (PROJECT SCRAPPED AND UPDATED)
Post by: cruelworld on Mon, 15 November 2021, 16:08:02
whaddup everybody

this project has long since been scrapped, redesigned and is now progressing into a groupbuy - will revisit colored poly in the future:


In the mean time follow the new thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=115297.msg3094417;boardseen#new

or come hang out with us on discord: https://discord.gg/cGQhbhm