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Title: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: holtenc on Tue, 11 December 2018, 21:22:53
Prime_E. A 45% ergo board.

GB thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100441.0)

JOIN (https://www.primekb.com/collections/keyboards/products/prime_e)

Design Features:

Update 4/24/2019 - Revised sample received.

Here's the revised sample (apologies for the craptastic incandescent lighting). The bezel is now a much nicer fit around the keycaps. Other changes:

I'm now reasonable confident to say that the GB will open up May 3rd


(https://i.imgur.com/5tksN9a.jpg)

Update 4/4/2019 - Samples/prototypes on hand. Lots of pictures

Here are a few with various keycap profiles. The complete album can be found HERE (https://imgur.com/a/ikJR7u2) and includes pics in various states of assembly. (https://imgur.com/a/ikJR7u2)

(https://i.imgur.com/Vkff6F2.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/RMuBclc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/K8CAlow.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9tRO4T6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1343e0u.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EorpZbq.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/42ob6kQ.jpg)

Update 3/20/2019 - Samples:
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I just have the one picture for now. I hope to have them in my hands next week sometime and will get more pictures at different angles. Also, still waiting on one more sample from a US-based shop.

(https://i.imgur.com/u52CEuh.jpg)

Update 1/21/2019 - Renders Added (thank you voodoo6k!)
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(https://i.imgur.com/LG5Sz6z.jpg)

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Update 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype:
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I was going to wait until I got my new 3D printer that would be capable of printing the case parts whole, but it got delayed until February and I'm just too impatient to wait. So I had to print it in portions and glue them together. The point of this was to confirm that the PCB fits correctly. Next step is getting some CNC aluminum samples

(https://i.imgur.com/Y58DKy2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZQAE2Wj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tfamKhF.jpg)

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Update 1/14/2019 - Prototype PCB:
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Today I received assembled prototype PCBs. All is good and working as intended.

(https://i.imgur.com/WxEdriu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0ATyWIl.jpg)

Update 12/22/2018 - finalize features and layouts:
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Changes:
  • added USB-C
  • split backspace only
  • 2u and 2.25u spacebars
  • moved indicator LEDs to upper right corner

Here are some CAD views of what is more or less final. Things such as rounded corners could change based on feedback. Getting hardware of some form in hand mid January

(https://i.imgur.com/ujDmVGl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wbnxgd7.jpg)
ignore the missing enter footprint  :-[

(https://i.imgur.com/g5l13AB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XKfKt3E.jpg)

Outdated content:

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After seeing the TGR Alice and subsequently not getting in on the GB, I decided to design something similar but in 45% form factor. I have been using it as a daily driver for several months now and absolutely love it.

Enter Prime_E,  a 45% ergo design. Or at least a proposal and looking for feedback so I can produce a keyboard that appeals to a larger group and works with a wider range of keycap sets. Even if it means starting over.

I was at about 90% done with the project. Both case and PCB. But couldn't decide on a final layout. Particularly the bottom row and right-side modifiers.


Case assembly:
(https://i.imgur.com/82Pe2kN.jpg)

Bottom view of top part showing thick integrated plate with provisions so switches can snap in:
(https://i.imgur.com/XMkkTkS.jpg)


Layout ideas:

Initial design. Fine for DSA. Not so fine for sculpted. Issues: 2x 2u spacebars. R2 2u backspace doesn't exist in sculpted sets, I think
(https://i.imgur.com/wlZoe9t.jpg)

Split backspace and 2.0/2.25u spacebars should expand compatibility with more sculpted sets. 1.25u mods in lower right instead of 1.5u.
(https://i.imgur.com/3Z1kmw2.jpg)

More experimentation with bottom row. 1.75u spacebars probably have wider compatibility that 2.0. Right-side modifiers shrunk by 0.25u which basically provides minivan compatibility.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ddn8Fa5.jpg)


I think it's fair to say that 2u backspace is a bad idea. 2x 2u spacebar is a bad idea. So lets hear some feedback in preferences, particularly for keycap compatibility. I pretty much strictly use DSA so I'm not too familiar with Cherry/SA norms. Personally I would lean more toward the 2nd layout but maybe go with 2x 1.75 spacebars thereby getting rid of stabilized keys altogether. So lets hear some feedback.


I'll end it here with some pictures of the board I've been using for a few months so you can see some real life examples of what it would look like. Minus the giant numpad of course  :p  The bezel under the spacebars will be smaller as seen in the render at the top.

(https://i.imgur.com/5ctxr42.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3GAG0iX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wUI3XVI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rCdHk65.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Tue, 11 December 2018, 21:23:07
TO DO:

-Get Price Quotes
-Prototypes
-send for production
-whatever else comes up
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: cijanzen on Tue, 11 December 2018, 21:25:29
Glad to see this come to an IC. I’d be interested in 2.25 2.75 spacebars as those are pretty common sizes when you get a split spacebars kit.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: dimo on Tue, 11 December 2018, 21:27:27
one with a smaller left side numpad might be pretty great
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: Abec13 on Tue, 11 December 2018, 21:28:29
Love seeing Ergo. I would be more interested in this if I was more oriented to a 40% board, which I will in the future. Minivan is supposed to be dropping some kits soonish and I will pick one up and learn then, so let's see where this ends up in my timeline.

Otherwise, super cool idea. Not much a fan of the pad on the left because I value a symmetrical-looking board more than more keys, otherwise I'd get an 1800.

I also would like to see a different finish on the paint. That red looks too opaque. But maybe I just love the look of Ano and chamfered edges.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: the_high_5 on Tue, 11 December 2018, 21:34:25
I've never used a 40-45% or ergo before, but I am super interested in this! Since I don't have any experience with layouts of this nature, I'll leave it to the veterans for input. My only concern is keycap compatibility.

Will there be a non-hotswap PCB available? Not a deal breaker, but I would prefer one.

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Tue, 11 December 2018, 21:45:39
I've never used a 40-45% or ergo before, but I am super interested in this! Since I don't have any experience with layouts of this nature, I'll leave it to the veterans for input.

Will there be a non-hotswap PCB available? Not a deal breaker, but I would prefer one.

Hotswap is totally up for debate. Personally I like having it, but I know there are those that don't trust these kailh sockets.

Love seeing Ergo. I would be more interested in this if I was more oriented to a 40% board, which I will in the future. Minivan is supposed to be dropping some kits soonish and I will pick one up and learn then, so let's see where this ends up in my timeline.

Otherwise, super cool idea. Not much a fan of the pad on the left because I value a symmetrical-looking board more than more keys, otherwise I'd get an 1800.

I also would like to see a different finish on the paint. That red looks too opaque. But maybe I just love the look of Ano and chamfered edges.

thank you for the thoughts. The numpad on the left wouldn't be there. Those images are just there for real-life references of the shape and design language. The render at the very top is what would be made. As for the finish, the final keyboard will be anodized aluminum. What you see in the pictures is a 3D printed case that's been sanded, and spray painted. :D

one with a smaller left side numpad might be pretty great

totally agree. But I think this one is just going to be a pure 45% board. perhaps if this goes to production then we can revisit with a numpad.

Glad to see this come to an IC. I’d be interested in 2.25 2.75 spacebars as those are pretty common sizes when you get a split spacebars kit.

 :thumb:  true about the spacebar sizes. 2.75 just seems so big on a 40/45%. But hey, I've got my board already the way I want it, so whatever the majority wants here. If that's 2.75 spacebar then so be it.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: apossardt on Tue, 11 December 2018, 21:54:29
Love it. Definitely +1 for more common split space size. I think 2.25u on both sides would fit nicely and be a little easier to cover with most sets.

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: clickityClackity on Tue, 11 December 2018, 22:06:40
Sick, love it! Can't wait to see this come to fruition
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: chuckdee on Tue, 11 December 2018, 22:21:30
I like it!  I like it even more with the number pad.  I'm using 2x2u on my Clueboard, and though I've had to go out of the way to get them on a couple of buys (solarized dark, oblivion), if you don't mind base/accent, many spacebar kits have 2x 2U in them (didn't have to do anything special for MT3 or Nautilus).  I actually like the balanced keyboard now.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 11 December 2018, 22:34:55
I’m down. I love the Alice, but unfortunately can’t afford the mech market premium.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: The_Royal on Tue, 11 December 2018, 22:41:16
Oh I'm for sure in for this.  Not too bit a fan of the HUGE numb-pad cluster though. The simple 40% Ergo is beautiful on its own.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: qq on Tue, 11 December 2018, 22:53:38
The left numpad would be a huge plus for this layout I think, especially when key Enter/+/- are on the right side of the left numpad. Care to say the name of the board in the photo?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: aedin on Tue, 11 December 2018, 22:56:48
I love the idea of a small form factor Alice. I know you don't have plans to include the numpad, but I wouldn't mind if you did.

Having a split backspace would be wise, but it would be cool to have the option of the 2u, if possible.


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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: ullr on Tue, 11 December 2018, 23:11:39
Love it, I personally rarely am interested in sub-60% but this is very attractive. I would prefer one column of keys left or right (if any) over a keypad, and the second "layout idea" with split backspace is close to perfect to me - attractive WKL-like 'blockers' like the Alice and six 1.25u mods is unbeatable IMO. I think personally 2.25u on both sides with the left being as in the picture just extended a quarter unit into the space between the two halves would by my choice if it were up to me, but I really don't care since most group buys can furnish any 40% these days and I'm hard to please since I would always prefer the left one to be bigger.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Tue, 11 December 2018, 23:26:06
I’m down. I love the Alice, but unfortunately can’t afford the mech market premium.

I've been too afraid to look in mechmarket just in case I can't resist.

The left numpad would be a huge plus for this layout I think, especially when key Enter/+/- are on the right side of the left numpad. Care to say the name of the board in the photo?

Adding a numpad is definitely something to look into as a future project. Maybe a 4x4? I guess we can call the one in the photos the Prime_EXL. I made 2 of them. One for work and one for home.

I love the idea of a small form factor Alice. I know you don't have plans to include the numpad, but I wouldn't mind if you did.

Having a split backspace would be wise, but it would be cool to have the option of the 2u, if possible.

Agreed about split backspace and 2u. If I end up going with out kailh hotswap sockets then for sure the PCB will support both.

In a couple days after getting some feedback and looking into some things I'm going to make a Google Form to get a general consensus on things like hotswap etc.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 11 December 2018, 23:30:19
i am open to this
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: vonswoopington on Tue, 11 December 2018, 23:33:59
You have my interest. I'm not usually a fan of sub 60 layout but a pocket Alice would be great.

I'm open to hot swap as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: vikipedeer on Tue, 11 December 2018, 23:40:50
oh damn, I was thinking of trying out ergo/40%
now you have combined my intererest
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: homerowco on Wed, 12 December 2018, 03:44:40
split backspace!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: Nigolski on Wed, 12 December 2018, 04:38:44
woah
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: qq on Wed, 12 December 2018, 05:08:33
Adding a numpad is definitely something to look into as a future project. Maybe a 4x4? I guess we can call the one in the photos the Prime_EXL. I made 2 of them. One for work and one for home.

Although I am more into an ergo 60% with a full left numpad, 4x4 would be very nice to look at this 40%. :))
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: pino38 on Wed, 12 December 2018, 05:10:40
i def would insta-buy


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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: saucybulgogi on Wed, 12 December 2018, 09:21:49
would love a 45% alice! i prefer the 2x1u backspace. if you could make the 2x1u backspace with the bottom row from the 2u backspace, that'd be my pick.

the large num/macropad on the left is nice but i think it's too big for me personally.

As for the design/style, i've never had an integrated plate board so i'd be interested in trying one. I'm not sure if i like the rounded edges tho. your prototype looks like a plastic board because of them i think. maybe it's the glossy finish too.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: pino38 on Wed, 12 December 2018, 09:44:20
is there an ETA on shipping date? I want to know before i waste $ on another case.


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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: rossfromfriends on Wed, 12 December 2018, 10:01:14
Take my money.
Definitely like your middle layout the most.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 12 December 2018, 10:02:24
How comfortable is this layout to actually type on? The Q and P, not to mention the mods on the outside, look like kind of a stretch.

Alice users -- thoughts?

I'm especially skeptical of an angled case with this layout.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: ejewell89 on Wed, 12 December 2018, 10:11:05
might be into this once i see a proto without the numpad
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: phongnh on Wed, 12 December 2018, 12:18:58
I prefer layout with split space 2.0/2.25. It is more common than two 1.75 spaces m
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: beekey on Wed, 12 December 2018, 12:33:02
How about adding some keys on the right sid to be able to have [] and ;‘ as dedicated keys? Would also need abigger right shift. A bit like the Lynx L50.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 12 December 2018, 13:18:04
is there an ETA on shipping date? I want to know before i waste $ on another case.

None at all unfortunately. Lots to do before I can even think about a shipping date. Really depends on if I can modify my current work into something acceptable based on feedback or if it would be better to start from scratch. Add a month or two to find a manufacturer and for prototypes to be made. Just too early to say. Wanted to see some reaction first before putting too much effort into it. But I can work pretty fast once determined. Plus I'm a easy push over and it doesn't take much to convince me to get on the ball.

I prefer layout with split space 2.0/2.25. It is more common than two 1.75 spaces m

Pretty sure that's where this is going. I had a good lock at a lot of sets in both the IC and GB forums and the vast majority had 2.0 and 2.25 spacebars. Several even had both in convex for GMK.

would love a 45% alice! i prefer the 2x1u backspace. if you could make the 2x1u backspace with the bottom row from the 2u backspace, that'd be my pick.

the large num/macropad on the left is nice but i think it's too big for me personally.

As for the design/style, i've never had an integrated plate board so i'd be interested in trying one. I'm not sure if i like the rounded edges tho. your prototype looks like a plastic board because of them i think. maybe it's the glossy finish too.

The pictures that include a numpad are just for some reference. The end design will be like the render at the top of the post. If the prototype looks like a plastic board... thats because it is lol. It's 3D printed and then spray painted. I will definitely have a CNC machined aluminum prototype made to show off before the end.

How comfortable is this layout to actually type on? The Q and P, not to mention the mods on the outside, look like kind of a stretch.

Alice users -- thoughts?

I'm especially skeptical of an angled case with this layout.

Personally I love typing on it. I don't find any keys hard to reach, even considering my left pinky finger is broke and can't extend fully straight the Q or tab isn't a problem at all for me. "You have big hands", said no one ever to me  ;D

The mods aren't any harder to reach either. And really I feel they might be even easier and more natural to hit than on a typical standard stagger board. My thoughts on this are: with this board your wrists are at a more natural and straight position, so when it's time to hit a modifier such as enter or tab, you have a full range of motion left in your wrist to rotate them outward. Who knows. I just know I really enjoy this type of layout and it's uncomfortable for me to use a standard keyboard now.

I can see a steep angle making it more difficult. The proto in the pictures has 6 deg. I was going to go for 7 for this. I can try both and see how they feel. I don't think 6 or 7 is very steep. At least when compared to my TC-V3 which I think has 11.

How about adding some keys on the right side to be able to have [] and ;‘ as dedicated keys? Would also need a bigger right shift. A bit like the Lynx L50.

I can see the draw to something like the Lynx L50. A 60% minus the number row and some shortened modifiers. But for this were going to stick to a more pure 45%
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: SK0P1 on Wed, 12 December 2018, 18:27:58
This looks incredible and what I am looking for but is just probably out of my budget, what is your price estimate for this?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: ZeroEn96 on Wed, 12 December 2018, 21:31:21
Super excited to see where this goes  :D :D :D

Agree with the idea of 2.25u spaces for better split compatability.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: 19MODL on Wed, 12 December 2018, 22:00:11
Definitely in for one as long as it’s <$200 USD. A 40% board with a decent amount of interest should make that feasible. Only other condition on my end would be color options. Less common colors like rose gold or forest green, or even some pastel colors other than the usual black/gray/silver would surely drive interest up.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 12 December 2018, 23:06:58
Definitely in for one as long as it’s <$200 USD. A 40% board with a decent amount of interest should make that feasible. Only other condition on my end would be color options. Less common colors like rose gold or forest green, or even some pastel colors other than the usual black/gray/silver would surely drive interest up.

This looks incredible and what I am looking for but is just probably out of my budget, what is your price estimate for this?

Thank you! It's a bit too early for pricing. Haven't even started looking for a manufacturer yet. Once I get the CAD work done over the next couple weeks (decided to start from scratch) I'll get pricing lined out ASAP.

Agreed additional colors would be nice. But I don't think I'm going to go too crazy on selection, especially if it affects overall price.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 12 December 2018, 23:45:11
Considering the changes necessary on the bottom row, I decided to start from scratch. Got the basic ground work done this evening. Going with 2.0/2.25 spacebars and split backspace w/ option for 2u backspace. May ditch the 2u backspace option if it proves a pain in the ass with hotswap sockets. Here are some renders with the bottom row blockers. Keep in mind it's still pretty rough and needs a lot of work.

(https://i.imgur.com/dgLJFNU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bwnHPmh.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: snelltrail on Thu, 13 December 2018, 16:05:10
A 1.5u backspace would provide better compatibility with sculpted sets. The 2u backspace included in most base kits is R1, not R2. You wouldn’t be able to have a split backspace option though.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 13 December 2018, 16:33:43
A 1.5u backspace would provide better compatibility with sculpted sets. The 2u backspace included in most base kits is R1, not R2. You wouldn’t be able to have a split backspace option though.

1.5u backspace really doesn't work with this layout. While 1.5u backspace is generally included in a lot of sculpted sets, you still have to get a 40% compatibility kit for the rest of the common 40% modifiers. So might as well stick with what's common with most 40% boards.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: homerowco on Thu, 13 December 2018, 17:36:38
split backspace w/ option for 2u backspace

Well, you got one order then for sure  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: pvd on Thu, 13 December 2018, 18:06:28
Super cool idea! Hope the final layout can be covered by a standard gmk set without additional kits.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Fri, 14 December 2018, 00:51:03
The updates look great!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 14 December 2018, 16:14:20
Super cool idea! Hope the final layout can be covered by a standard gmk set without additional kits.

Little chance of that with the split spacebar, unfortunately.  No matter what's chosen, you'll need spacebar kits.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: tex_live_utility on Fri, 14 December 2018, 18:18:45
Super cool idea! Hope the final layout can be covered by a standard gmk set without additional kits.

Little chance of that with the split spacebar, unfortunately.  No matter what's chosen, you'll need spacebar kits.

Spacebars are actually easy nowadays. Spacebar kits are cheap and tend to hit MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 14 December 2018, 19:28:20
Super cool idea! Hope the final layout can be covered by a standard gmk set without additional kits.

Little chance of that with the split spacebar, unfortunately.  No matter what's chosen, you'll need spacebar kits.

Spacebars are actually easy nowadays. Spacebar kits are cheap and tend to hit MOQ.

I wasn't saying anything to the contrary.  But that wouldn't be in the base kit, which is what was being asked.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Sat, 15 December 2018, 13:50:15
So as I suspected it just doesn't really work having the option for 2u backspace and split backspace AND have kailh hotswap. So a decision needs to be made. Right now I'm leaning towards getting rid of 2u backspace in favor of hotswap. But I would love to hear some thoughts from others.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: apossardt on Sat, 15 December 2018, 14:03:19
Ive never opted to use split backspace; that being said, seems like it's really popular and I like the idea of the hotswap sockets so if getting rid of 2u backspace is the only option, I say go for it.

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 15 December 2018, 14:17:04
So as I suspected it just doesn't really work having the option for 2u backspace and split backspace AND have kailh hotswap. So a decision needs to be made. Right now I'm leaning towards getting rid of 2u backspace in favor of hotswap. But I would love to hear some thoughts from others.

For me, I never use 2U BS anymore, so it's fine with me.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: fireworm on Sat, 15 December 2018, 15:58:33
... Could I make the suggestion of adding alps which means no hotswap, and 2u backspace?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: ullr on Sat, 15 December 2018, 18:16:38
I think split backspace is best because like you said, R2 2u keys don't really exist and I don't like being forced to use even profile sets... Plus I'd like the extra key. As for Alps, what ALPS sets even support this layout? Just Lightcycle and Granite right? Seems like a lot of compromise (loose plate, no hotswap) for something very few people would be interested in.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Sat, 15 December 2018, 19:11:38
I think split backspace is best because like you said, R2 2u keys don't really exist and I don't like being forced to use even profile sets... Plus I'd like the extra key. As for Alps, what ALPS sets even support this layout? Just Lightcycle and Granite right? Seems like a lot of compromise (loose plate, no hotswap) for something very few people would be interested in.


... Could I make the suggestion of adding alps which means no hotswap, and 2u backspace?

Having both MX and Alps in an integrated and machined plate might be possible. Would have to pay around in CAD and figure it out. But the "pain in the ass" factor outweighs the number of people that would benefit from having it. If it we're a laser cut plate no problem. But not machined.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: fireworm on Sat, 15 December 2018, 21:06:59
I think split backspace is best because like you said, R2 2u keys don't really exist and I don't like being forced to use even profile sets... Plus I'd like the extra key. As for Alps, what ALPS sets even support this layout? Just Lightcycle and Granite right? Seems like a lot of compromise (loose plate, no hotswap) for something very few people would be interested in.


... Could I make the suggestion of adding alps which means no hotswap, and 2u backspace?

Having both MX and Alps in an integrated and machined plate might be possible. Would have to pay around in CAD and figure it out. But the "pain in the ass" factor outweighs the number of people that would benefit from having it. If it we're a laser cut plate no problem. But not machined.
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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: clickityClackity on Thu, 20 December 2018, 21:48:50
I think split backspace is best because like you said, R2 2u keys don't really exist and I don't like being forced to use even profile sets... Plus I'd like the extra key. As for Alps, what ALPS sets even support this layout? Just Lightcycle and Granite right? Seems like a lot of compromise (loose plate, no hotswap) for something very few people would be interested in.


... Could I make the suggestion of adding alps which means no hotswap, and 2u backspace?

Having both MX and Alps in an integrated and machined plate might be possible. Would have to pay around in CAD and figure it out. But the "pain in the ass" factor outweighs the number of people that would benefit from having it. If it we're a laser cut plate no problem. But not machined.
If we're going MX/Alps compatibility, cna I request that we go all the way so it's also compatible with Monterrey switches? This is available on some MX/Alps PCB's like the Minidox where the connectors look like this:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181221/75bbfbcc7fd2685d2a1e0cfce61edcdc.jpg)

(excuse the crude drawing, at bar)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 20 December 2018, 21:55:24
I think split backspace is best because like you said, R2 2u keys don't really exist and I don't like being forced to use even profile sets... Plus I'd like the extra key. As for Alps, what ALPS sets even support this layout? Just Lightcycle and Granite right? Seems like a lot of compromise (loose plate, no hotswap) for something very few people would be interested in.


... Could I make the suggestion of adding alps which means no hotswap, and 2u backspace?

Having both MX and Alps in an integrated and machined plate might be possible. Would have to pay around in CAD and figure it out. But the "pain in the ass" factor outweighs the number of people that would benefit from having it. If it we're a laser cut plate no problem. But not machined.
If we're going MX/Alps compatibility, cna I request that we go all the way so it's also compatible with Monterrey switches? This is available on some MX/Alps PCB's like the Minidox where the connectors look like this:

Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181221/75bbfbcc7fd2685d2a1e0cfce61edcdc.jpg)


(excuse the crude drawing, at bar)

This will be MX and hotswap so no alps. At this point I'm too far into the design process to change it up. Sorry!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: clickityClackity on Thu, 20 December 2018, 22:03:25
No no, my mistake. Just reread your previous response and you said that. Either way this is an awesome design and I'll prob join.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 20 December 2018, 23:18:41
Nice! Hope to have some renders in more or less final form by new years. And maybe even an alpha prototype 3d printed.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Fri, 21 December 2018, 00:48:55
No no, my mistake. Just reread your previous response and you said that. Either way this is an awesome design and I'll prob join.

Nice! Hope to have some renders in more or less final form by new years. And maybe even an alpha prototype 3d printed.

Forget the renders, clicktyClackity is an artiste!! Hire him for pics!!  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Sat, 22 December 2018, 09:53:01
updated OP with what should be more or less final designs.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: cijanzen on Sat, 22 December 2018, 09:55:51
updated OP with what should be more or less final designs.

Amazing! I love how this is turning out and I really like the vertical indicator led location.


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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: RealLaugh on Sat, 22 December 2018, 09:57:12
updated OP with what should be more or less final designs.

Am I right in thinking that the 2.25u space is on the left and the 2u space is on the right?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Sat, 22 December 2018, 10:06:00
updated OP with what should be more or less final designs.

Am I right in thinking that the 2.25u space is on the left and the 2u space is on the right?

2.25 is definitely on the right

updated OP with what should be more or less final designs.

Amazing! I love how this is turning out and I really like the vertical indicator led location.


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Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: the_high_5 on Sat, 22 December 2018, 11:04:17
Latest update looks great! Love the LED placement and decision on layout. Very much looking forward to this.

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: beekey on Sat, 22 December 2018, 13:25:23
What is the reasoning behind the WKL blocker position? Would prefer it moved 1u out. I use the „big“ space as  layer tap which is space when tapped and function layer when hold. Next keys would be Cmd and Alt, with Ctrl the outermost key.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: THRILLHOIAF on Sat, 22 December 2018, 14:26:38
I really dig this
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: snelltrail on Fri, 28 December 2018, 03:30:37
updated OP with what should be more or less final designs.

This looks stunning, really hoping I can get in on this!

Have you finalized the layout for the whole board? Can you indicate the widths of all keys in the final design? (Trying to figure out what's needed to cover this with a sculpted keyset)

Keep up the awesome work, can't wait to see this come to GB! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45%
Post by: holtenc on Fri, 28 December 2018, 06:08:04
updated OP with what should be more or less final designs.

This looks stunning, really hoping I can get in on this!

Have you finalized the layout for the whole board? Can you indicate the widths of all keys in the final design? (Trying to figure out what's needed to cover this with a sculpted keyset)

Keep up the awesome work, can't wait to see this come to GB! :thumb:

Thank you. Layout is finalize. Standard 40% stuff. 1.75/1.25 shifts, 1.25 caps or tab, 1.75 enter. All mods on bottom row are 1.25. spacebars are 2.0 and 2.25
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: Jkshowman on Sat, 05 January 2019, 01:00:43
watching this like a hawk
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: RealLaugh on Sat, 05 January 2019, 03:04:54
Has it been decided if the PCB should support hotswap? If so I think it will need some threads in the top of the case for the PCB to screw against the case.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: holtenc on Sat, 05 January 2019, 09:03:46
Has it been decided if the PCB should support hotswap? If so I think it will need some threads in the top of the case for the PCB to screw against the case.

Yes it will have hotswap sockets. A pretty easy ask to implement. Personally I've never had a PCB fall off but I guess if you tavel with your board it's certainly possible.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: Tonkatonk on Sat, 05 January 2019, 09:09:01
South-facing hotswap sockets are a no go for me chief.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: holtenc on Sat, 05 January 2019, 12:50:52
South-facing hotswap sockets are a no go for me chief.

yeah. Unfortunately it's a necessary evil to make room for the USB port. There isn't a good place for it in the middle without something looking off since the split is a little lopsided with more keys on the right.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: emperact on Fri, 11 January 2019, 17:07:44
I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 13 January 2019, 00:56:39
South-facing hotswap sockets are a no go for me chief.

yeah. Unfortunately it's a necessary evil to make room for the USB port. There isn't a good place for it in the middle without something looking off since the split is a little lopsided with more keys on the right.
Perhaps too late, could we add a macro column to the left side? If so, could this let the USB be in the center?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: holtenc on Sun, 13 January 2019, 01:38:50
South-facing hotswap sockets are a no go for me chief.

yeah. Unfortunately it's a necessary evil to make room for the USB port. There isn't a good place for it in the middle without something looking off since the split is a little lopsided with more keys on the right.
Perhaps too late, could we add a macro column to the left side? If so, could this let the USB be in the center?

indeed too late. prototype PCBs have already been made and are in route.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: snelltrail on Sun, 13 January 2019, 02:49:56
Awesome, so excited to hear this board is coming along! I'm a huge fan of it and really hoping I'll be able to pick one up!

Have you thought much about colors yet or is it still too early for that?
Title: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: dimo on Mon, 14 January 2019, 02:03:14
I’d love a small numpad to go along with this
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 12/22/18
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 14 January 2019, 07:26:40
Awesome, so excited to hear this board is coming along! I'm a huge fan of it and really hoping I'll be able to pick one up!

Have you thought much about colors yet or is it still too early for that?

Still looking for a manufacturer. Colors will probably depend on that.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 14 January 2019, 20:45:34
updated OP with prototype PCBs
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: snelltrail on Mon, 14 January 2019, 23:21:35
Looking real good! You weren’t kidding about getting this moving quickly!! :D
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: hndle on Mon, 14 January 2019, 23:47:13
ergo+45% = DREAM :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: sickbabies on Tue, 15 January 2019, 20:28:05
Sorry I missed most of the IC work, but glad to be here now!

Ergo 45 is right up my alley and should look dope with all these Space Cadet caps I have to put to use

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Tue, 15 January 2019, 20:34:30
ergo+45% = DREAM :thumb:

Looking real good! You weren’t kidding about getting this moving quickly!! :D

Sorry I missed most of the IC work, but glad to be here now!

Ergo 45 is right up my alley and should look dope with all these Space Cadet caps I have to put to use

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Thanks guys! Pretty soon I need to figure out what colors everyone wants and get my hands on an actual prototype. This is taking longer than I expected but we're slowly making our way to GB time.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: sickbabies on Wed, 16 January 2019, 11:44:31



Thanks guys! Pretty soon I need to figure out what colors everyone wants and get my hands on an actual prototype. This is taking longer than I expected but we're slowly making our way to GB time.

I'm always a fan of Silver for my keyboards, but if blue is available I might go for that

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: Sent on Wed, 16 January 2019, 11:51:50
Thanks guys! Pretty soon I need to figure out what colors everyone wants and get my hands on an actual prototype. This is taking longer than I expected but we're slowly making our way to GB time.

Pink. Kthx. 
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: snelltrail on Wed, 16 January 2019, 14:32:07
I'd love to see some sort of blue-gray or dark blue, but would also be happy with silver or dark gray if those are too difficult :)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 16 January 2019, 14:34:18
I'd love to see some sort of blue-gray or dark blue, but would also be happy with silver or dark gray if those are too difficult :)

I got 2 samples in the works. Trying for a dark gray and dark blue. But haven't yet heard back if I can get two different colors for a reasonable price.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 16 January 2019, 14:37:03
I'd love to see some sort of blue-gray or dark blue, but would also be happy with silver or dark gray if those are too difficult :)

I got 2 samples in the works. Trying for a dark gray and dark blue. But haven't yet heard back if I can get two different colors for a reasonable price.

I think if it’s going to be offered in one colour it would be best to stick with something neutral like grey, silver, or black. My vote would be for grey. If you’re going to offer multiple colours I think a red or minty colour would be cool.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: the_high_5 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 14:38:00
I'd love to see some sort of blue-gray or dark blue, but would also be happy with silver or dark gray if those are too difficult :)

Second for blue-grey! I'll probably in regardless of the color though as long as the finances line up!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 16 January 2019, 14:45:14
I'd love to see some sort of blue-gray or dark blue, but would also be happy with silver or dark gray if those are too difficult :)

I got 2 samples in the works. Trying for a dark gray and dark blue. But haven't yet heard back if I can get two different colors for a reasonable price.

I think if it’s going to be offered in one colour it would be best to stick with something neutral like grey, silver, or black. My vote would be for grey. If you’re going to offer multiple colours I think a red or minty colour would be cool.

I would like to offer 4 colors. Black, gray, blue and ?? This is all dependent on pricing. If 4 color choices significantly increases prices then one choice it is. Probably gray. I dont want this to be a super expensive board. Pricing for the PCBs (assembled in USA, Qty of 50) is $50/ea and that doesn't even include the sockets and their assembly.  So might try to find a Chinese Fab to get costs down. 🤷‍♂️. Things to work out.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: NRbigfoot on Wed, 16 January 2019, 14:50:45
Would love to see a dark blue or dark red offered
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 16 January 2019, 14:52:58
I'd love to see some sort of blue-gray or dark blue, but would also be happy with silver or dark gray if those are too difficult :)

I got 2 samples in the works. Trying for a dark gray and dark blue. But haven't yet heard back if I can get two different colors for a reasonable price.

I think if it’s going to be offered in one colour it would be best to stick with something neutral like grey, silver, or black. My vote would be for grey. If you’re going to offer multiple colours I think a red or minty colour would be cool.

I would like to offer 4 colors. Black, gray, blue and ?? This is all dependent on pricing. If 4 color choices significantly increases prices then one choice it is. Probably gray. I dont want this to be a super expensive board. Pricing for the PCBs (assembled in USA, Qty of 50) is $50/ea and that doesn't even include the sockets and their assembly.  So might try to find a Chinese Fab to get costs down. . Things to work out.

Looking at the space65 gb most people went with black or grey. I think silver and blue were close for 3rd place and very few got red. It all depends on the tone of colour offered imo. I went with a red CA66 but that’s a nice wine red.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: sickbabies on Wed, 16 January 2019, 16:47:56
Looking at the space65 gb most people went with black or grey. I think silver and blue were close for 3rd place and very few got red. It all depends on the tone of colour offered imo. I went with a red CA66 but that’s a nice wine red.
I went with silver for the Space65, the gray was a little too dark for me.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: 19MODL on Wed, 16 January 2019, 18:08:00
I’m gonna be bold and say a matcha color. It’s been severely misrepresented in this community!! WHOS WITH ME?


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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: Jkshowman on Wed, 16 January 2019, 19:51:31
man, i really hope there's a silver :/
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:40:56
added a poll for color popularity.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: rossfromfriends on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:45:08
I really don't know anything about the process of anodization, is it more expensive and difficult to be shades of a color? So like navy instead of straight up blue, or burgundy instead of red.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:54:06
I really don't know anything about the process of anodization, is it more expensive and difficult to be shades of a color? So like navy instead of straight up blue, or burgundy instead of red.

I really have no idea. but I would assume if you want some custom color beyond their normal stuff it would cost more.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: hndle on Thu, 17 January 2019, 04:10:04
Has the switch been decided in the north-facing?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 17 January 2019, 06:18:20
They will be north facing.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: Smoff on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:26:23
Really interested in this, just hoping it won't cost a fortune haha.
Even though you said you don't have an eta on when it will ship, am I right in guessing it most likely will run mid-late this year?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:31:10
Really interested in this, just hoping it won't cost a fortune haha.
Even though you said you don't have an eta on when it will ship, am I right in guessing it most likely will run mid-late this year?

Assuming the prototypes are completed soon and come out OK Im thinking March for the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:30:37
3D printed half of the top part to test tolerances and PCB fit. Looks pretty good.

(https://i.imgur.com/vjnoU8t.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: cijanzen on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:33:15
3D printed half of the top part to test tolerances and PCB fit. Looks pretty good.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/vjnoU8t.jpg)


This is amazing! Looks so good already!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:36:35
This is amazing! Looks so good already!

Thanks man! Pretty sure I can get the rest printed/assembled and have some pictures by Monday. Should have some nice renders soon as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: cijanzen on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:37:38
This is amazing! Looks so good already!

Thanks man! Pretty sure I can get the rest printed/assembled and have some pictures by Monday. Should have some nice renders soon as well.

Really looking forward to it!

Maybe share on Reddit if you haven’t yet once you got renders etc to increase exposure? If you want more buyers that is!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: hndle on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:41:55
3D printed half of the top part to test tolerances and PCB fit. Looks pretty good.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/vjnoU8t.jpg)


This is so goooooooood!!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: pino38 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:43:20
Is there a possibility of a full brass version?


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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:51:57

Really looking forward to it!

Maybe share on Reddit if you haven’t yet once you got renders etc to increase exposure? If you want more buyers that is!

Yessir this is precisely the plan  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:53:07
Is there a possibility of a full brass version?


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Hmm. No I don't think so.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: the_high_5 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 11:31:56
The 3D print looks great. Depending on the color options, I may just have to pick up 2.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 17 January 2019, 11:40:34
 :eek: thank you kindly.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: Sent on Thu, 17 January 2019, 12:21:05
3D printed half of the top part to test tolerances and PCB fit. Looks pretty good.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/vjnoU8t.jpg)


Damn, do want.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: mgsickler on Thu, 17 January 2019, 12:41:27
3D printed half of the top part to test tolerances and PCB fit. Looks pretty good.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/vjnoU8t.jpg)


This is going to be nice.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Thu, 17 January 2019, 16:42:59
Wow love it. As long as it is less than $200, I'm probably in.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 17 January 2019, 16:56:58
Wow love it. As long as it is less than $200, I'm probably in.

Thank you!. I hope it's around that as well. I should have some numbers in a couple days. This is the first 2-part, non-tray mount case I've had made and a new manufacturer so I really have no idea what to expect.


** EDIT ** I got some preliminary pricing back and it definitely will not be $200 or less. A fair bit more. Not ready to share numbers yet as I don't have all the pieces in place.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: ullr on Thu, 17 January 2019, 21:17:07
If the finishes are right I'm in regardless, looks great
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: Create_alt_delete on Thu, 17 January 2019, 21:22:57


** EDIT ** I got some preliminary pricing back and it definitely will not be $200 or less. A fair bit more. Not ready to share numbers yet as I don't have all the pieces in place.

A bummer for sure, but I'm still in.


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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: holtenc on Sat, 19 January 2019, 11:56:14
aaaannnd......... Matcha pulls into the top 4 of colors lol.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: funderburker on Sat, 19 January 2019, 12:47:42
Been eyeing this and really hoping I get in on this. Prototype already makes it yummy and happy that it's a single layout!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: hndle on Sat, 19 January 2019, 13:24:50
I'm falling in love with this
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: holtenc on Sat, 19 January 2019, 13:45:57
I'm falling in love with this

Been eyeing this and really hoping I get in on this. Prototype already makes it yummy and happy that it's a single layout!  :thumb:

thanks guys.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: SK0P1 on Sat, 19 January 2019, 15:05:23
Over 200, oof for me, can 3d printed cases become an option for the GB? Or PCBs by itself and 3d printed cases on your store?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: holtenc on Sat, 19 January 2019, 15:11:01
A 3D printed version won't be an option for the GB, but perhaps I can come with something at some point afterwards.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: Sent on Sat, 19 January 2019, 17:00:55
aaaannnd......... Matcha pulls into the top 4 of colors lol.

Not all that surprised.  I think the funky colors look better on small boards. :thinking:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/4/2019 - Prototype PCBs complete
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Sat, 19 January 2019, 19:19:29
Wow love it. As long as it is less than $200, I'm probably in.
** EDIT ** I got some preliminary pricing back and it definitely will not be $200 or less. A fair bit more. Not ready to share numbers yet as I don't have all the pieces in place.

Aww ha okay well I can probably be convinced anyway :)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: Warrenified on Sat, 19 January 2019, 20:40:09
This looks great, I'd join the GB
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: regionfree on Sat, 19 January 2019, 23:04:38
this is looking great. i'm all in on this.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: Augment_GEAR on Sun, 20 January 2019, 03:34:28
I will be paying attention for updates, will be in for GB.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 20 January 2019, 07:52:24
looks great!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: please1102 on Sun, 20 January 2019, 11:26:28
I am wondering that could the USB port in center (position of old 3 leds) will be better (more comfortable) than on the left corner ?
And also if the 3 leds are in the middle will be easier to see when typing, it is more modern when stay in upper right corner but it harder to see I think.
Anyway, it is a very interesting project :)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: holtenc on Sun, 20 January 2019, 11:41:05
I am wondering that could the USB port in center (position of old 3 leds) will be better (more comfortable) than on the left corner ?
And also if the 3 leds are in the middle will be easier to see when typing, it is more modern when stay in upper right corner but it harder to see I think.
Anyway, it is a very interesting project :)
I thought about it, but I felt it wasn't quite right since if I centered it with the case, the port would be offset from the split in keys. Same goes if I centered the port with the spit.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: hayt on Sun, 20 January 2019, 15:10:58
This is dope, might be my first endeavor into ergo.

I would like to see the top bezel radius slightly tighter though
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: holtenc on Sun, 20 January 2019, 22:28:59
I will be paying attention for updates, will be in for GB.

This looks great, I'd join the GB

This is dope, might be my first endeavor into ergo.

I would like to see the top bezel radius slightly tighter though

looks great!

this is looking great. i'm all in on this.

thank you everyone. so very glad you guys like it.

also. this:

(https://i.imgur.com/kNzX89l.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: the_high_5 on Sun, 20 January 2019, 22:32:21
VIA support?! This is amazing. Getting more excited for this GB with every update.

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: holtenc on Sun, 20 January 2019, 23:14:11
VIA support?! This is amazing. Getting more excited for this GB with every update.

Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
Got it working just this evening. I'm super pumped about it.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: snelltrail on Mon, 21 January 2019, 00:14:14
This is all looking so awesome!

Any idea how far away we are from the GB?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 21 January 2019, 00:25:40
This is all looking so awesome!

Any idea how far away we are from the GB?

thanks. hard to say. I was hoping for March. But we'll see. Once I get some samples/prototypes in hand and they are good then I'll set an official date.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/19/2019 - 3D printed prototype
Post by: snelltrail on Mon, 21 January 2019, 00:28:50
This is all looking so awesome!

Any idea how far away we are from the GB?

thanks. hard to say. I was hoping for March. But we'll see. Once I get some samples/prototypes in hand and they are good then I'll set an official date.

That’s great! Haha, gonna be a tough few months for the wallet with Bentō, Jamón and then this right after! But at least this seems far enough away to make sure there’s room for it in the budget :)

Keep up the awesome work, so excited to combine two of my favorite things: ergo and 40%! :D
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 21 January 2019, 11:25:49
added some awesome renders done by voodoo6k
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: The_Royal on Mon, 21 January 2019, 11:44:40
Alright...I've come to the conclusion that this is amazing and I will without a doubt be joining this as my first board GB.  I will start saving now and pray for A polycarbonate version.  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 21 January 2019, 12:07:47
added some awesome renders done by voodoo6k

Just gorgeous!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: funderburker on Mon, 21 January 2019, 12:11:23
added some awesome renders done by voodoo6k

 :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:23:44
I dig this, would def be in for the right price.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:15:08
I dig this, would def be in for the right price.  :thumb:

thanks. I'm really curious to see how the pricing comes out.

Just gorgeous!

Alright...I've come to the conclusion that this is amazing and I will without a doubt be joining this as my first board GB.  I will start saving now and pray for A polycarbonate version.  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:


:eek:

cheers my fellow keyboard enthusiasts.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: Lormania on Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:17:18
Yep, will buy 10/10.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: Master_Zebra on Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:37:30
Very interested if the price isn't too high!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: ramnes on Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:59:52
interesting
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: mgsickler on Mon, 21 January 2019, 18:56:20
I’m really excited to see this go live. Definitely will pick up at least one.

Great work. Glad to see VIA working for it already.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 21 January 2019, 20:40:28
...and here I thought I was out of 40%s.  I'm in depending on price.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: GCPixel on Mon, 21 January 2019, 21:47:21
Would it be possible to get a brass plate option?


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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 21 January 2019, 22:14:37
Would it be possible to get a brass plate option?


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afraid not. the switch plate and case are integrated and milled from a single chunk of aluminum.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: clickityClackity on Mon, 21 January 2019, 22:36:31


Would it be possible to get a brass plate option?


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afraid not. the switch plate and case are integrated and milled from a single chunk of aluminum.

Mmmmmm, aluminum chunk......
Title: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: GCPixel on Tue, 22 January 2019, 00:16:54
Would it be possible to get a brass plate option?


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afraid not. the switch plate and case are integrated and milled from a single chunk of aluminum.

I see, thanks! Hope we can get a sound test once you get a prototype.


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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Wed, 23 January 2019, 21:06:46
Getting more excited about this with every update! The renders look great too. Probably in, price permitting!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: SK0P1 on Sat, 02 February 2019, 01:46:59
Any updates?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Sat, 02 February 2019, 09:56:08
Waiting on production samples. Will probably be a couple weeks more.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: Lepr3chaun on Sun, 03 February 2019, 07:49:31
Will be in for this.

Really would like to see the left handed numpad in a future project!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: mnpq.raven on Mon, 04 February 2019, 18:53:30
Is there a KLE layout or something similar laying around for the prime ergo ? i'm looking for the sizes on those modifiers to see if my keycaps support them
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 04 February 2019, 18:56:37
Is there a KLE layout or something similar laying around for the prime ergo ? i'm looking for the sizes on those modifiers to see if my keycaps support them

Pretty sure this is being used
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190205/b87bde32aaeb564c1ad6a4a5920550d2.jpg)

That is in the first post
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: mnpq.raven on Mon, 04 February 2019, 18:57:34
Is there a KLE layout or something similar laying around for the prime ergo ? i'm looking for the sizes on those modifiers to see if my keycaps support them

Pretty sure this is being used
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190205/b87bde32aaeb564c1ad6a4a5920550d2.jpg)


That is in the first post
huge thanks dad for the quick reply lul
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 04 February 2019, 21:11:15
Is there a KLE layout or something similar laying around for the prime ergo ? i'm looking for the sizes on those modifiers to see if my keycaps support them

Pretty sure this is being used
More
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190205/b87bde32aaeb564c1ad6a4a5920550d2.jpg)

That is in the first post


Is there a KLE layout or something similar laying around for the prime ergo ? i'm looking for the sizes on those modifiers to see if my keycaps support them

Mr. cijanzen  is correct.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: the_high_5 on Mon, 25 February 2019, 11:06:21
Any updates, by any chance?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 25 February 2019, 11:16:50
Any updates, by any chance?
Still waiting on samples. The manufacturer has not done integrated plates in the past so I guess they have been experimenting on the best way to go about it so as to keep machining time to a minimum. Also they are having to fabricate custom fixtures to hold the parts in place. Last I heard they hope to have them done by the end of this week. No promises though.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: SK0P1 on Fri, 01 March 2019, 08:49:40
Any updates on samples?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: cijanzen on Fri, 01 March 2019, 08:51:02
Any updates on samples?

I’m sure we’ll get an update as soon as there’s news!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Fri, 01 March 2019, 08:56:11
Any updates on samples?
Any updates on samples?

I’m sure we’ll get an update as soon as there’s news!
Mr. Cijanzen is right again. The second I have something meaningful to share I'll update this thread.

I apologize it's taking so long. In hindsight I should have had the case samples done before I started the IC.

Have no fear. Assuming the manufacturer doesn't give up altogether this will for sure go to GB phase.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: r4wromg on Sun, 03 March 2019, 19:32:43
Stoked for this - definitely in for one. Love my Prime_M and been looking to pick up another Prime product
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Sun, 03 March 2019, 19:42:19
Stoked for this - definitely in for one. Love my Prime_M and been looking to pick up another Prime product
Thank you for the support!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: scoopbb on Mon, 04 March 2019, 10:42:57
in for 1. looks dope
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: MajorKoos on Mon, 04 March 2019, 11:11:00
I definitely want one of these.
Looks great.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: krey on Thu, 07 March 2019, 08:49:05
I like this. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: Kyndylan on Thu, 07 March 2019, 09:03:36
Very interested in this, depending on price!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 07 March 2019, 23:43:17
I definitely want one of these.
Looks great.

Very interested in this, depending on price!

in for 1. looks dope

I like this. :)

thanks guys. CNC samples should be headed to anodizing about now. hopefully not much longer.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: snelltrail on Fri, 08 March 2019, 02:07:07
Definitely one of the projects I am most excited for at the moment!

Do you think we’re still on track for a March GB or will it be a bit later?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Fri, 08 March 2019, 07:03:58
Definitely one of the projects I am most excited for at the moment!

Do you think we’re still on track for a March GB or will it be a bit later?
Seems like it. But then again I also expected to have the sames on hand a week or two ago. I'll just say I'll get the GB thread opened up as soon as I get the samples and both the machining and anodizing are good.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: vicissitude on Fri, 08 March 2019, 07:56:20
Nice design.
So lovely.
Wait for sample pics.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: yh0438 on Mon, 11 March 2019, 17:41:34
when do you open The prime_E’s GB??
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 11 March 2019, 18:03:32
when do you open The prime_E’s GB??
As soon as I receive the samples and approve. They should be getting anodized this week and hopefully head my way sometime next week.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 11 March 2019, 18:08:10
Unfortunate update: the anodizing facility won't do a custom matcha (aka green) unless there is a MOQ of 100 of that color so that is pretty much impossible. Color options will likely be black, gray, silver and red. Sorry.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 11 March 2019, 18:36:08
Unfortunate update: the anodizing facility won't do a custom matcha (aka green) unless there is a MOQ of 100 of that color so that is pretty much impossible. Color options will likely be black, gray, silver and red. Sorry.

Bummer but understandable. I’m going to have a hard enough time deciding between those four colour choices as it is!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 11 March 2019, 18:57:18
The sample are going to be gray and red.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 11 March 2019, 21:57:18
rough machined case before any finishing or anodizing.

(edit: not sure why two images are showing...)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 11 March 2019, 22:01:13
rough machined case before any finishing or anodizing.

(edit: not sure why two images are showing...)

Looks great! So excited for this and it’s coming along nicely. Do you have any anodization sample chips from the anodized or are you going to do one of each for examples?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 11 March 2019, 22:20:07
Looks great! So excited for this and it’s coming along nicely. Do you have any anodization sample chips from the anodized or are you going to do one of each for examples?

Thanks. I'm only getting samples in gray and red. Black and silver are pretty self explanatory and I don't think samples are really necessary considering their cost. Here are the color examples I submitted for gray and red. For what it's worth, the black and silver should pretty much be the same as finishes on previous Duck boards. 

(https://i.imgur.com/pxh3cGr.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LuG3Zcb.jpg)

(subject to monitor calibration etc etc  :p)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 11 March 2019, 22:22:42
Looks great! So excited for this and it’s coming along nicely. Do you have any anodization sample chips from the anodized or are you going to do one of each for examples?

Thanks. I'm only getting samples in gray and red. Black and silver are pretty self explanatory and I don't think samples are really necessary considering their cost. Here are the color examples I submitted for gray and red.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/pxh3cGr.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/LuG3Zcb.jpg)


(subject to monitor calibration etc etc  :p)

Agreed on the lack of need for samples on black and silver. Can’t wait to see the red as the Pantone colour looks very nice. Not too bright which I think happens a lot. I’m leaning grey but we’ll see!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 11 March 2019, 22:25:44
I was going for a semi deep red. I really hope it comes out well and is easily replicated after the sample. I'm a bit nervous about it.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: the_high_5 on Mon, 11 March 2019, 23:52:24
That prototype looks great. Hopefully it comes out to your satisfaction! This may be a question that was answered before, but is the plan to have an internal weight? If so, I must have completely missed it.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Tue, 12 March 2019, 00:33:29
That prototype looks great. Hopefully it comes out to your satisfaction! This may be a question that was answered before, but is the plan to have an internal weight? If so, I must have completely missed it.

Nah you didn't miss anything. That pocket you're seeing in the base wasn't part of my design as was added by the manufacturer for machine fixturing to hold the part in place. Same goes for those 4 through holes in the integrated plate on the top piece.

edit: it might be a cool idea to make it an option to add an internal weight to make use of that pocket... might look into that.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: vicissitude on Tue, 12 March 2019, 05:47:02
This is so charming.
Love it.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: regionfree on Tue, 12 March 2019, 09:03:22
rough machined case before any finishing or anodizing.

(edit: not sure why two images are showing...)

it's so nice, they show it twice.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Tue, 12 March 2019, 09:19:08
Lol
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: yh0438 on Fri, 15 March 2019, 02:16:37
when is this Gb opened?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Fri, 15 March 2019, 06:01:15
when is this Gb opened?
After I get the samples and am happy with them.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: ninjacore on Fri, 15 March 2019, 10:06:23
Have a rough guess at price?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Fri, 15 March 2019, 12:16:05
Have a rough guess at price?
I would rather not say until I get final pricing for the cases and an updated price for the PCBs as it's been several weeks since I got PCB pricing and it's likely no longer honored. It won't be long now before I have pricing . Sorry.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: ninjacore on Fri, 15 March 2019, 22:30:14
No worries - I understand.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 20 March 2019, 21:52:16
wew.

(https://i.imgur.com/u52CEuh.jpg)

Hopefully I have them on hand next week and can take some shots at different angles.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 1/21/19: Added renders
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 20 March 2019, 21:53:48
wew.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/u52CEuh.jpg)


Hopefully I have them on hand next week and can take some shots at different angles.

Amazing! That red looks real sharp. This is going to be a tough choice…
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 20 March 2019, 21:58:43
It does look good. I'm hoping it's a bit deeper in person. Can't wait to put these together!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Thu, 21 March 2019, 00:59:46
Gorgeous! Looking forward to more shots soon. As a previous person commented, that indent on the base looks perfect for a weight....... ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: regionfree on Thu, 21 March 2019, 01:45:31
oh god. good lord. please, spread the love for this. don't make this a limited run.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 21 March 2019, 06:50:45
oh god. good lord. please, spread the love for this. don't make this a limited run.
Limited to 500 kits. Better hurry!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 21 March 2019, 09:58:23
Looks great!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: quaddepos on Thu, 21 March 2019, 10:23:14
Damm they look so hot!

Any chance I can use it for my keyset renders?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Thu, 21 March 2019, 10:43:07
Final won’t have the pocket or extraneous holes, right? I hope not. In for this 100% though
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: Olitender on Thu, 21 March 2019, 12:54:06
Wow that red looks fantastic ..... Would look so good with jamon.....
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 21 March 2019, 14:45:54
Final won’t have the pocket or extraneous holes, right? I hope not. In for this 100% though

Im getting samples from two different manufacturers. One of them added the pocket and holes for fixturing while machining. The other isn't.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: lootbag on Thu, 21 March 2019, 18:43:08
Looks great! Hoping to make this my first under 60% keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: hndle on Thu, 21 March 2019, 19:05:39
holy...looks great!!
definitely in.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: keimura on Thu, 21 March 2019, 19:52:32
I'm super hyped! Awesome work!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: ParkYongSeung on Thu, 21 March 2019, 22:07:42
Is there a limit to my purchase quantity?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 21 March 2019, 23:24:28
Is there a limit to my purchase quantity?
Nope.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: regionfree on Fri, 22 March 2019, 02:12:12
I will buy this, 2 to be exact so I can mix the tops/bottoms. AND I WILL BUY YOUR UPCOMING GASKET VERSION OF THIS.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: CrazyNun on Fri, 22 March 2019, 11:37:06
Would be great to know the full dimensions of the board. I know it's a 40% but looks like it extends out a bit because of the design (forgive me if the info is there, I couldn't see it on any of the updates posts you did).  Very exciting project though =D
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: holtenc on Fri, 22 March 2019, 12:03:57
Would be great to know the full dimensions of the board. I know it's a 40% but looks like it extends out a bit because of the design (forgive me if the info is there, I couldn't see it on any of the updates posts you did).  Very exciting project though =D

mm: 292.6 x 102.3  heights are 18.59 in front and 28.65 in back.
in: 11.52 x 4.028  heights are 0.73 in front and 1.13 in back.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: CrazyNun on Fri, 22 March 2019, 18:32:52
Ace, thanks for that info =D
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: The_Royal on Fri, 22 March 2019, 19:25:35
oh god. good lord. please, spread the love for this. don't make this a limited run.

I don't think anyone here has the means to keep a full CNC'ed Aluminium 40% Ergo board in continuous stock lol.  It will most certainly be a GB. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: quaddepos on Fri, 22 March 2019, 19:26:31
oh god. good lord. please, spread the love for this. don't make this a limited run.

I don't think anyone here has the means to keep a full CNC'ed Aluminium 40% Ergo board in continuous stock lol.  It will most certainly be a GB. :)

I think he meant more like a max orders you see often now like with tgr or keycult stuff
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: lordgiblite on Sat, 23 March 2019, 17:35:44
Looks at sample pic, looks at wallet...

Screw it I can live off ramen  :))

This looks great man!  Hoping to be able to snag one if my budget allows!!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: rflcrsr on Tue, 26 March 2019, 23:39:35
Nice to see the new samples! Hoping there's plenty of interest in this still. I think it's a stellar layout and idea. When you are satisfied and this happens I am in for a red case, without a doubt, which is totally unlike me usually.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: audiosl4ve on Thu, 04 April 2019, 10:50:05
Looking really nice. We wait for more good news.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 04 April 2019, 11:53:36
Just opened the samples. I'll take some pictures this afternoon and get the OP updated.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: clik_clak on Thu, 04 April 2019, 11:55:17
Just opened the samples. I'll take some pictures this afternoon and get the OP updated.

Can't wait to see them and can't wait to order!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: cijanzen on Thu, 04 April 2019, 11:56:01
Just opened the samples. I'll take some pictures this afternoon and get the OP updated.

Awesome! So excited to see your own photos. Did you get anything from your other manufacturer yet?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 3/20/19: Samples
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 04 April 2019, 21:18:44
Just opened the samples. I'll take some pictures this afternoon and get the OP updated.

Awesome! So excited to see your own photos. Did you get anything from your other manufacturer yet?

Posted them in OP. No but they are making progress i think.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: cijanzen on Thu, 04 April 2019, 21:21:07
Just opened the samples. I'll take some pictures this afternoon and get the OP updated.

Awesome! So excited to see your own photos. Did you get anything from your other manufacturer yet?

Posted them in OP. No but they are making progress i think.

Nice! I think you forgot the album link though. Are you going to wait for the other manufacturer before opening up gb or are you pretty happy with these results?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 04 April 2019, 21:38:23
Nice! I think you forgot the album link though. Are you going to wait for the other manufacturer before opening up gb or are you pretty happy with these results?

If you're on mobile I don't think that type of link shows up? Ill put in a direct as well.

I need to follow up with the manufacturer and see what kind of time frame we're looking at.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: snelltrail on Thu, 04 April 2019, 22:24:38
Oooooh very nice! These look sooooo good! I'm having a really hard time picking a color, can't decide between red, gray and silver :|

Good problem to have I guess haha. 
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Thu, 04 April 2019, 22:29:55
New pictures look really good! Hype :)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: audiosl4ve on Thu, 04 April 2019, 22:59:18
Wow protos are really nice  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: kissingyou on Thu, 04 April 2019, 23:02:20
So beautiful.
It feels dizzy.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: vonswoopington on Fri, 05 April 2019, 02:13:40
The new pictures look great! Will the gap between the spacebar and the case be reduced or is it just the angle the pics are taken from?

Either way I'm in as I'm look for a small travel keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Fri, 05 April 2019, 06:59:48
The new pictures look great! Will the gap between the spacebar and the case be reduced or is it just the angle the pics are taken from?

Either way I'm in as I'm look for a small travel keyboard.
Thanks!. Yes it's a bit too big. Need to get out my calipers and see if it's my design or the manufacturer messed up.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: regionfree on Fri, 05 April 2019, 08:11:11
Thanks!. Yes it's a bit too big. Need to get out my calipers and see if it's my design or the manufacturer messed up.

Is it too late to make the switches sink a bit lower? It could be the reason why the gap seems so wide between the keys and the edges surrounding it.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: Athlio on Fri, 05 April 2019, 09:29:26
Thanks!. Yes it's a bit too big. Need to get out my calipers and see if it's my design or the manufacturer messed up.

Is it too late to make the switches sink a bit lower? It could be the reason why the gap seems so wide between the keys and the edges surrounding it.

I second this.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: nothingzzz on Fri, 05 April 2019, 10:14:35
looking forward to this GB
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Fri, 05 April 2019, 10:17:12
Thanks!. Yes it's a bit too big. Need to get out my calipers and see if it's my design or the manufacturer messed up.

Is it too late to make the switches sink a bit lower? It could be the reason why the gap seems so wide between the keys and the edges surrounding it.

I second this.

Thanks!. Yes it's a bit too big. Need to get out my calipers and see if it's my design or the manufacturer messed up.

Is it too late to make the switches sink a bit lower? It could be the reason why the gap seems so wide between the keys and the edges surrounding it.

agreed on all points. I think the bezel height needs to be raised by .5-.75mm and the spacing needs to be tightened up by about .5mm as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: dhw on Sat, 06 April 2019, 09:37:32
Yeah, can't wait for this one!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: ullr on Sat, 06 April 2019, 12:48:56
Glad the bezel height and spacing are getting fixed. I would have bought it anyway, but that will improve the look significantly.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: TuCZnak on Sat, 06 April 2019, 13:59:41
Copying this here since it has been mentioned by holtenc in today's reddit thread:

"It's going to be expensive. I haven't worked out final pricing but all I can say right now is it's going to be over $300 but less than $330. Price breaks at certain MOQs."
"I'll put this out there: I need 80 or so GB participants just to recoupe expenses."
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Sat, 06 April 2019, 14:52:35
Copying this here since it has been mentioned by holtenc in today's reddit thread:

"It's going to be expensive. I haven't worked out final pricing but all I can say right now is it's going to be over $300 but less than $330. Price breaks at certain MOQs."
"I'll put this out there: I need 80 or so GB participants just to recoupe expenses."

 :( pricing is a bummer for sure. that last bit is not to say that 80 is required to go to production. 50 or so will be the MOQ. 100+ will lend a small price break.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: regionfree on Sat, 06 April 2019, 21:39:48
will probably be in for 2 of these, at least one. 2nd one depends on the colors available so I could mix and match the top and bottom.

Copying this here since it has been mentioned by holtenc in today's reddit thread:

"It's going to be expensive. I haven't worked out final pricing but all I can say right now is it's going to be over $300 but less than $330. Price breaks at certain MOQs."
"I'll put this out there: I need 80 or so GB participants just to recoupe expenses."

 :( pricing is a bummer for sure. that last bit is not to say that 80 is required to go to production. 50 or so will be the MOQ. 100+ will lend a small price break.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: kennardsmith on Sun, 07 April 2019, 00:08:51
in for two
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Sun, 07 April 2019, 01:08:15
will probably in for 2 of these, at least one. 2nd one depends on the colors available so I could mix and match the top and bottom.

in for two

fantastic. colors will be black, silver, gray and red. MOQ for custom anodizing was impossible, unfortunately.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: turbosloth on Sun, 07 April 2019, 02:59:35
Wow really love the layout, and I'm keen to try a split non-Ortho 40%. That price is hefty for me but hopefully I'll have some cash ready. If I don't, I'd 100% grab the 3D printed version you mentioned in the reddit thread.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: b4d_tR1p on Sun, 07 April 2019, 07:43:37
if the price won't be crazy I also want one  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: blizzara01 on Sun, 07 April 2019, 08:49:17
Wow really love the layout, and I'm keen to try a split non-Ortho 40%. That price is hefty for me but hopefully I'll have some cash ready. If I don't, I'd 100% grab the 3D printed version you mentioned in the reddit thread.
Looking forward to 3D printed version also  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: voodoo6k on Sun, 07 April 2019, 21:33:17
So the renders were pretty spot on!

The prototypes look great :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Sun, 07 April 2019, 21:36:32
So the renders were pretty spot on!

The prototypes look great :thumb:
Yep they were/are great. Thanks again!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: voodoo6k on Sun, 07 April 2019, 21:38:13
So the renders were pretty spot on!

The prototypes look great :thumb:
Yep they were/are great. Thanks again!

Anytime!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: senryo on Sun, 07 April 2019, 21:44:51
Great board!

- is there an eta on when will the gb start? (Or gb will start as soon as you decide which manufacturer to go for)
- is the quantity capped at a certain figure and raffle will be implemented when the sale exceeds the figure? (I remember the MOQ is 80?)
- will the stab be plate mount only or we can choose for ourselves?

Thanks for your time and effort!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: leexy on Sun, 07 April 2019, 22:01:07
will zfrontier be a proxy for this gb?  :(
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Sun, 07 April 2019, 22:05:49


Great board!

- is there an eta on when will the gb start? (Or gb will start as soon as you decide which manufacturer to go for)
- is the quantity capped at a certain figure and raffle will be implemented when the sale exceeds the figure? (I remember the MOQ is 80?)
- will the stab be plate mount only or we can choose for ourselves?

Thanks for your time and effort!

- decided to have another made due to some small changes. That will push the start date back some. So now aiming for end of April or early May. Sorry I can't be more specific right now.
- the MOQ is not 80. I was simply stating how many kits were need for me to recoupe my prototyping expenses. Which is actually irrelevant and probably shouldn't have been said. MOQ is 40. Quantity is not capped. However many orders there are after a 2 week period is how many will be ordered.
- stabs are PCB mount only.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Sun, 07 April 2019, 22:07:00
will zfrontier be a proxy for this gb?  :(
No, but there will likely be a Korean based GB.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 07 April 2019, 22:07:51


Great board!

- is there an eta on when will the gb start? (Or gb will start as soon as you decide which manufacturer to go for)
- is the quantity capped at a certain figure and raffle will be implemented when the sale exceeds the figure? (I remember the MOQ is 80?)
- will the stab be plate mount only or we can choose for ourselves?

Thanks for your time and effort!

- decided to have another made due to some small changes. That will push the start date back some. So now aiming for end of April or early May. Sorry I can't be more specific right now.
- the MOQ is not 80. I was simply stating how many kits were need for me to recoupe my prototyping expenses. Which is actually irrelevant and probably shouldn't have been said. MOQ is 40. Quantity is not capped. However many orders there are after a 2 week period is how many will be ordered.
- stabs are PCB mount only.

A few more weeks to save up some funds! I think the wait is worth it to get it just right and I’ll still be on board when it’s ready to go.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: senryo on Sun, 07 April 2019, 22:09:12


Great board!

- is there an eta on when will the gb start? (Or gb will start as soon as you decide which manufacturer to go for)
- is the quantity capped at a certain figure and raffle will be implemented when the sale exceeds the figure? (I remember the MOQ is 80?)
- will the stab be plate mount only or we can choose for ourselves?

Thanks for your time and effort!

- decided to have another made due to some small changes. That will push the start date back some. So now aiming for end of April or early May. Sorry I can't be more specific right now.
- the MOQ is not 80. I was simply stating how many kits were need for me to recoupe my prototyping expenses. Which is actually irrelevant and probably shouldn't have been said. MOQ is 40. Quantity is not capped. However many orders there are after a 2 week period is how many will be ordered.
- stabs are PCB mount only.
Thank you for the swift response. I’m sorry I didn’t catch the update coz I usually just go through the first post to see your update, may I know what kind of small change will that be?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 07 April 2019, 22:11:30


Great board!

- is there an eta on when will the gb start? (Or gb will start as soon as you decide which manufacturer to go for)
- is the quantity capped at a certain figure and raffle will be implemented when the sale exceeds the figure? (I remember the MOQ is 80?)
- will the stab be plate mount only or we can choose for ourselves?

Thanks for your time and effort!

- decided to have another made due to some small changes. That will push the start date back some. So now aiming for end of April or early May. Sorry I can't be more specific right now.
- the MOQ is not 80. I was simply stating how many kits were need for me to recoupe my prototyping expenses. Which is actually irrelevant and probably shouldn't have been said. MOQ is 40. Quantity is not capped. However many orders there are after a 2 week period is how many will be ordered.
- stabs are PCB mount only.
Thank you for the swift response. I’m sorry I didn’t catch the update coz I usually just go through the first post to see your update, may I know what kind of small change will that be?

Read the thread. It’s all there already! Tightening up some tolerances around spacebars and plate sunk in a bit more.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: snelltrail on Mon, 15 April 2019, 19:39:53
Just in case anyone hasn't seen already: Quakemz built the prototype on Top Clack last week! It looks great!

Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 15 April 2019, 19:46:07
Just in case anyone hasn't seen already: Quakemz built the prototype on Top Clack last week! It looks great!

Thanks snelltrail.

Just a quick update while I'm here. Still waiting on that revised sample. I'll post some pictures of it once I have it on hand.

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 15 April 2019, 19:47:52
Just in case anyone hasn't seen already: Quakemz built the prototype on Top Clack last week! It looks great!

Thanks snelltrail.

Just a quick update while I'm here. Still waiting on that revised sample. I'll post some pictures of it once I have it on hand.

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Nice I hadn’t seen this so thanks for sharing snelltrail! Will hopefully tide me over until we all get these in hand…
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: vicissitude on Mon, 15 April 2019, 19:59:02
Love this keeb.
Nice and delicate.  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: turbosloth on Tue, 16 April 2019, 06:43:57
Watching the vid, I only just noticed the PCB has 'north' facing orientation for the switches. I know its close to GB time but is that 100% set (or is the other way impossible due to space constraints)? I've found that GMK R3 caps fouls on the switch housing for everything except BOX switches, so would really prefer to avoid that.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Tue, 16 April 2019, 06:47:38
Watching the vid, I only just noticed the PCB has 'north' facing orientation for the switches. I know its close to GB time but is that 100% set (or is the other way impossible due to space constraints)? I've found that GMK R3 caps fouls on the switch housing for everything except BOX switches, so would really prefer to avoid that.
They are north facing mostly due to space along the top edge for USB. And yeah, it's pretty much too late to change the PCB anyway.

It's funny... I've never encountered a problem with north facing switches and GMK caps.

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: turbosloth on Tue, 16 April 2019, 07:00:34
Yeah, its strange because some people just don't seem to notice it, but after having to deal with north facing on a stock Coolermaster with new GMK for 6 months I eventually had to desolder and handwire it to get them around the right way for me to handle it. It just changes the sound and feel on that row in a way that gnawed at me, especially if you bottom out a lot like I do. Might look into grabbing some washers OLKB sell or something.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Tue, 16 April 2019, 07:02:17
Did your stock cooler master have massive 3mm LEDs sitting on top of the switches?

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: turbosloth on Tue, 16 April 2019, 07:31:21
Hahah nah, the LEDs were SMD and sort of shone through the switch/ hole in the PCB like this (https://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/7/6/7603_28_cooler-master-masterkeys-pro-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-review.jpg). It's not a huge clash or anything, but the sound and feel changes. Still, will look if I can live with it or shave my switches or something given I've been looking for this layout in a quality board for a while.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 17 April 2019, 10:08:30
Small update. The revised top part of case is shipping tomorrow.

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: nothingzzz on Wed, 17 April 2019, 21:54:02
Small update. The revised top part of case is shipping tomorrow.

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Sounds great
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: Obe on Wed, 17 April 2019, 23:25:44
Is there any price estimate by chance? Really interested in this board!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: r4wromg on Thu, 18 April 2019, 01:47:45
Is there any price estimate by chance? Really interested in this board!

Price estimate from a recent Reddit thread:

"It's going to be expensive. I haven't worked out final pricing but all I can say right now is it's going to be over $300 but less than $330. Price breaks at certain MOQs."
"I'll put this out there: I need 80 or so GB participants just to recoupe expenses."
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: regionfree on Thu, 18 April 2019, 09:06:08
Small update. The revised top part of case is shipping tomorrow.

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oh, that's nice, since it's a 2-piece kit, bottom can be reused. saved time prototyping!
btw, will there be a POLYCARB version? :D leaning on a mixed alu + poly top/bottom combo :D
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 18 April 2019, 12:56:02
Small update. The revised top part of case is shipping tomorrow.

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oh, that's nice, since it's a 2-piece kit, bottom can be reused. saved time prototyping!
btw, will there be a POLYCARB version? :D leaning on a mixed alu + poly top/bottom combo :D

No there will not be a PC option for either the top or bottom parts. sorry.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: senryo on Thu, 18 April 2019, 14:27:35
I watched the prime e prototype build stream. It feels like its very difficult to plug in the switches, will this problem be fixed?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 18 April 2019, 14:32:06
I watched the prime e prototype build stream. It feels like its very difficult to plug in the switches, will this problem be fixed?
The switch holes are a bit tight. Working on it.

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: gotjuicemate on Mon, 22 April 2019, 13:49:53
im really liking the red case color
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 23 April 2019, 11:12:41
That beige colorway is lowkey heat
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: cijanzen on Tue, 23 April 2019, 11:36:47
That beige colorway is lowkey heat

Laura Palmer? Is that you?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: funderburker on Tue, 23 April 2019, 13:22:14
That beige colorway is lowkey heat

Laura Palmer? Is that you?

where are we? The Geek Lodge?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Tue, 23 April 2019, 13:23:03
That beige colorway is lowkey heat

Laura Palmer? Is that you?

where are we? The Geek Lodge?
I'm so lost...
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: cijanzen on Tue, 23 April 2019, 13:29:23
That beige colorway is lowkey heat

Laura Palmer? Is that you?

where are we? The Geek Lodge?
I'm so lost...

Just Twin Peaks things
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: GigaFlop on Tue, 23 April 2019, 20:13:41
The estimated price is steep, but I'm going to see what my wallet looks like when ti comes around. This would be a cool addition to the collection.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 24 April 2019, 09:45:01
revised sample is in. Much better on those bezels. Top picture is new sample. Bottom is hold.

(https://i.imgur.com/5tksN9a.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/D61Lj9B.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 24 April 2019, 09:46:15
revised sample is in. Much better on those bezels. Top picture is new sample. Bottom is hold.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/5tksN9a.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/D61Lj9B.jpg)


Oh yeah! That’s much tighter. Great job!

Can’t wait for this to start!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: regionfree on Wed, 24 April 2019, 19:49:10
revised sample is in. Much better on those bezels. Top picture is new sample. Bottom is hold.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/5tksN9a.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/D61Lj9B.jpg)



that new sample looks perfect! this is ready!

final checks, then green?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 24 April 2019, 21:01:59
revised sample is in. Much better on those bezels. Top picture is new sample. Bottom is hold.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/5tksN9a.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/D61Lj9B.jpg)



that new sample looks perfect! this is ready!

final checks, then green?

Think so. Case is good. PCB is good. Should probably get an updated price from PCB factory since it's been a while. I've already got all the screws and rubber bumpons.

I think I can tentatively say GB opens May 3. Weehoo.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: Rexios on Wed, 24 April 2019, 21:12:57
I’m so hyped. This will be my first build. Let’s gooooo!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/4/19: Samples/prototypes. Lots of pictures
Post by: apossardt on Wed, 24 April 2019, 22:02:41
My body is ready. At this point, any keyboard smaller than a 60% that goes into group buy is instantly accounted for in my budget

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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/cf/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: bassmaniax on Wed, 24 April 2019, 22:49:42
My wallet is ready.


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Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 24 April 2019, 23:21:27
My body is ready. At this point, any keyboard smaller than a 60% that goes into group buy is instantly accounted for in my budget

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I’m so hyped. This will be my first build. Let’s gooooo!

My wallet is ready.


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!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 24 April 2019, 23:41:42
Love this board.  How do you guys map your apostrophe?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: Xynerorias on Thu, 25 April 2019, 06:37:24
Damn I love it but I find it so expensive, I know it's the layout but more than 300 for a 45%...  :'(
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 25 April 2019, 07:03:58
Damn I love it but I find it so expensive, I know it's the layout but more than 300 for a 45%...  :'(
Yep I agree. The cost of non-chinese manufacturing unfortunately.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: nothingzzz on Thu, 25 April 2019, 10:07:34
Definitely in for the GB
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: ninjacore on Thu, 25 April 2019, 12:56:44
I know $300 keeps getting tossed around, but I don't see a price estimate in the OP (it's marked off in the to-do list, however).

Also, maybe a noob 40% question, but would it be possible to get a keycap sizing list for the modifiers?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: Rexios on Thu, 25 April 2019, 12:57:47
There was a Reddit thread where he said it would probably be $300-$330.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 25 April 2019, 13:11:58
I know $300 keeps getting tossed around, but I don't see a price estimate in the OP (it's marked off in the to-do list, however).

Also, maybe a noob 40% question, but would it be possible to get a keycap sizing list for the modifiers?

It will be $320 for the kit. Extra PCBs will be $40. There will be an option for either all white indicator LEDs or an RGB mix. The LEDs will not come pre-soldered.

Here's a pic that shows keycap sizing:

(https://i.imgur.com/AnMR7nE.jpg)
Title: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: cijanzen on Thu, 25 April 2019, 13:25:01
I know $300 keeps getting tossed around, but I don't see a price estimate in the OP (it's marked off in the to-do list, however).

Also, maybe a noob 40% question, but would it be possible to get a keycap sizing list for the modifiers?

It will be $320 for the kit. Extra PCBs will be $40. There will be an option for either all white indicator LEDs or an RGB mix. The LEDs will not come pre-soldered.

Here's a pic that shows keycap sizing:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AnMR7nE.jpg)


Pricing sounds quite reasonable to me considering how much time and money you put into prototyping. I’ll be in for one and +1 PCB.

Will the indicator leds be surface mount?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: audiosl4ve on Thu, 25 April 2019, 13:29:10
Was hoping for little cheaper pricing. I'll have to pass. Really awesome keeb either way :)
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 25 April 2019, 13:49:08
Was hoping for little cheaper pricing. I'll have to pass. Really awesome keeb either way :)

Understandable. Thanks man.


Pricing sounds quite reasonable to me considering how much time and money you put into prototyping and also it being made stateside. I’ll be in for one and +1 PCB.

Will the indicator leds be surface mount?

The US based manufacturer got very busy and hasn't completed their sample yet. I just can't wait any longer and it doesn't look like they will have time to complete the production run in a timely manner. So I'm going with the Korean manufacturer that did the samples I'm been showing pictures of. They have made many high quality keyboards for various GBs and I trust their work.

The indicator LEDs are reverse surface mount. Just a fancy way of saying they're surface mount and the LED protrudes into a cutout in the PCB. You can catch a glimpse of them here:
https://imgur.com/a/vx483zM

They're very easy to solder.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: cijanzen on Thu, 25 April 2019, 13:50:18
Was hoping for little cheaper pricing. I'll have to pass. Really awesome keeb either way :)

Understandable. Thanks man.


Pricing sounds quite reasonable to me considering how much time and money you put into prototyping and also it being made stateside. I’ll be in for one and +1 PCB.

Will the indicator leds be surface mount?

The US based manufacturer got very busy and hasn't completed their sample yet. I just can't wait any longer and it doesn't look like they will have time to complete the production run in a timely manner. So I'm going with the Korean manufacturer that did the samples I'm been showing pictures of. They have made many high quality keyboards for various GBs and I trust their work.

The indicator LEDs are reverse surface mount. Just a fancy way of saying they're surface mount and the LED protrudes into a cutout in the PCB. You can catch a glimpse of them here:
https://imgur.com/a/vx483zM

Yep that makes sense for the LEDs. As for price I’m in either way!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Thu, 25 April 2019, 14:25:46
Agree, pricing sounds totally reasonable. I wish I had the money for it because the aluminum case looks amazing, but these pricy GBs hurt even more in Canada, with currency conversion and import duties. I would definitely grab a PCB and try to print or cut a case for it over here though!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: ninjacore on Thu, 25 April 2019, 17:11:39
Thanks for the layout, OP!

So, with a Korean manufacturer, does that drop the price or does shipping negate any manufacturing cost savings?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 25 April 2019, 17:15:20


Thanks for the layout, OP!

So, with a Korean manufacturer, does that drop the price or does shipping negate any manufacturing cost savings?

No the quoted prices between the two we're pretty much the same. And yeah shipping is going to be monsterous. But they're also providing individual boxes and foam padding.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: Rexios on Mon, 29 April 2019, 07:15:24
Is shipping included in the price?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 29 April 2019, 07:16:09
Is shipping included in the price?
No sir.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: Rexios on Mon, 29 April 2019, 07:16:45
Then do you have an estimated US shipping price?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 29 April 2019, 07:18:38
Then do you have an estimated US shipping price?
I'll try to update the posts with that today but in the mean time you can add a duck Raven/sidewinder to your cart and get an estimated shipping amount from that. I think they might be fairly similar in weight.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: Rexios on Mon, 29 April 2019, 07:21:11
Well they’re giving me $12 shipping, but from what you said I thought it would be a lot more.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: quaddepos on Mon, 29 April 2019, 07:23:01
50$ for me, ****...
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 29 April 2019, 07:25:31
50$ for me, ****...
I'm ashamed of US -> International shipping.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 29 April 2019, 08:38:56
Definitely in for a kit at 320$
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: regionfree on Thu, 02 May 2019, 07:58:28
it's almost May 3rd.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: Rexios on Thu, 02 May 2019, 13:50:15
What time will the group buy open?
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 02 May 2019, 13:53:51
What time will the group buy open?

Midnight Central Std time. but it's not limited in number so no need to get there asap.
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: regionfree on Fri, 03 May 2019, 02:22:22
The page is already up on PrimeKB.com!
Title: Re: [IC] Prime_E : Ergo 45% - Updated 4/24/19:revised sample. GB starts May 3rd
Post by: worldspawn on Sun, 05 May 2019, 01:06:47
This board looks great! Good luck with the GB!