[IC]GMK Retroact - Classic Beige Fix Kit made for G80-3000&G80-1800+R5 Support

[[Lewynlight]]

This set has grown so much, thanks to all of your feedback. I have updated the OP a bit. here we go.
This is basically a dream of mine, when we can use GMK's cheapo as hell G80-1800 set with most of modern layout. with the community feedback, the philosophy of the creation of this set has changed. the philosophy is to;

• Use G80-1800 OG/Original set with G80-3000 Keyboard layout And/or any popular modern layout;

and new feature is;

• R5 AND R4 bottom row compatibility set, based on GMK's mold

the chance of this will happen is small (i am aware of this) but it's better to die trying would be better than to die without purpose. so be it.

I want to see the set!

Supported kit:

-Standard R4 104 set (normal caps lock, 1.25u mods, 6.25u spacebar, numpad adapter for standard numpad kit)
- Tsangan R5 ( R5 1.5u and R5 1u) With Arrow
- HHKB (R2 Backspace, R1 backslash) ( i still need 1u Fn but whatever)
- stepped control and normal control
- ISO XT
- 65% and 75% Compatibility

When and How much?

i'm gonna get serious on this after Sanctuary rebirth run ends. the pricing are yet to be submitted to GMK. but maybe US$40-50ish. WE REALLY NEED TO DELETE SOME KEY  ) done.


meanwhile, feel free to comment what key would you like to add to the set, and what should be deleted.  )


I need as much publicity as possible. DT guys might like this, I suppose.

here's the IC form;
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[crtexcnndrm99]

Definitely a good idea if you can get enough interest 

[autobot]

I'd totally be down for this.

I would change Strg to Control though. Or include 1.25u Control keycaps. 

[nzhoward]

Just rerun gmk HADitional and HADaptor

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[[Lewynlight]]

Oh wow, it seems that there's an bit of interest om this one. 

Yeah, i guess i'll change the strg to control instead.

Umm and running another hadapter is boring. That's why i added a bit of novelty in this set hahahaha.

And i was also thinking that if hammer'd bsp set really runs, maybe i can simplify this set to support 1800 and original 104 key instead of adding a 1.5u modifier and running it in pbt....

[autobot]

GMK please 

[nzhoward]

I thought about how this should have compatibility for OG WKL Dyesubs and Doubleshot with R5 bottom rows. Thus we would need to add R4 bottom row arrow keys. Also the 65% and 75% kits should have legends. I mocked it up in keyboard-layout-editor below. Here is the permalink if anyone else wants to contribute. Permalink

Edit: if there are too many keys and we need to take out some I'd say the numpad kit should go first not many people use fullsize these days

[Puddsy]

whatever the implementation is, i'll probably pick up a kit just in case

[ideus]

Excellent idea and I am in. Just keep it simple and cheap. If it grows and get expensive it will fail, surely.

[hineybush]

I told you my thoughts on Discord, but here they are again in an organized fashion:

- Consider widening the applications to these beyond those who have an 1800, or buy an 1800. For example, 3000's and other various model numbers have doubleshots, and I'm sure those who buy them would wanna have cross-compatibility.

- Consider that a lot of 1800's can be used with a 3x1u - 6u - 4x1u bottom row. Not super common as far as use goes, but it's something worth considering.

- (A specific scenario) if someone buys doubleshots from say, a G80-3000, and they want to use them on an 1800, they'd need the R1 Delete, End, and PgDn keys.

- Some boards (those with a trackpad, maybe others?) have a 2u right shift.

- Any thoughts about R5 support? I know GMK only has molds for 1.5u and the spacebars, but it'd be interesting to see.

[TalkingTree]

- Any thoughts about R5 support? I know GMK only has molds for 1.5u and the spacebars, but it'd be interesting to see.

GMK also has R5 1u and spacebars have a profile of their own, they don't change between R4 and R5.
That said, if there's R5 support I'm totally in.

[[Lewynlight]]

oh Hiney and Howard, that's a lot of input. thank you so much!

but yeah, it seems that R5 support is kind of cute. i'm curious because i haven't tried R5 all my life. shall we try it with 7u R5 space bar and R5 1.5u modifier then?

[yasintahir]

Split spacebar?

But honestly i want GMK make small spacebar with convex version.

[TalkingTree]

shall we try it with 7u R5 space bar?

As stated, there's no such thing as a R5 spacebar. Spacebars are one profile alone.
1.5u R5 mods with 1u R5 winkeys would be great though.

[xondat]

Would love to see R5 support.

Please run an Enter key if you really keep the Trap key

[punkpc]

I was messing around with your layout idea. I left your original alone and just started my own in keyboard layout. Kept what you had so far, but updated colors & cleaned it up a bit. I did add the regular Enter key, a 1.25 "Fn" key, the "GMK" key, and the ". Del" key to complete the bottom R4 row.

This is what I have so far.

keyboard-layout-editor


kle-render


What do you think?

[nzhoward]

We wouldn't need an enter key because all og 1800 and 3000 keysets have the same enter as modern keysets. If we want to keep keycount low, we should take out the trap altogether

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[[Lewynlight]]

Split spacebar?

But honestly i want GMK make small spacebar with convex version.

split space bar is actually feasible.. but i don't want to make this set more expensive than it is.

9009 split spacebar accent anyone?

shall we try it with 7u R5 space bar?

As stated, there's no such thing as a R5 spacebar. Spacebars are one profile alone.
1.5u R5 mods with 1u R5 winkeys would be great though.

ah sorry, didn't read it too much as i was typing that message at work 
yes, with R5 arrow. very interesting.

Would love to see R5 support.

Please run an Enter key if you really keep the Trap key

R5 is interesting. i'll try to run it.
LOL. you already got the usual enter for the OG set, the trap key is just for fun  )

I was messing around with your layout idea. I left your original alone and just started my own in keyboard layout. Kept what you had so far, but updated colors & cleaned it up a bit. I did add the regular Enter key, a 1.25 "Fn" key, the "GMK" key, and the ". Del" key to complete the bottom R4 row.

This is what I have so far.

keyboard-layout-editor
(Attachment Link)

kle-render
(Attachment Link)

What do you think?

this is very interesting. thank you for your effort! it's already good, but i'll modify it a bit later for R5 support, if you don't mind.

We wouldn't need an enter key because all og 1800 and 3000 keysets have the same enter as modern keysets. If we want to keep keycount low, we should take out the trap altogether

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another enter key wouldn't be needed. for now, i don't think that i should take out the trap key as there's few people that message me personally that they will buy the set just for the sake of the trap key  )

[nzhoward]

I modified my design to support R5. Also deleted an unnecessary key in the 75%/65% adapter kit. Newest KLE Link

[[Lewynlight]]

thanks for all of your feedback, this set has grown so much.
let's start from here (my pic) and decides which key has to go.  )

[nzhoward]

thanks for all of your feedback, this set has grown so much.
let's start from here (my pic) and decides which key has to go.  )

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good idea!
1. You got the 75%/65% wrong. Should have R4 end instead of R1 home
2. We don't need R1 Delete, End, PgDn since these keys are R1 on OG 1800 boards already
3. What is the point of the R4 to 1800 row?
4. We should add R4 code/win keys for OG 1800 with R4 WKL bottom row.
5. We can take out 1.5u alt/ctrl since OG 1800 and OG 3000 boards will all come with these keys. We just need the R4 and R5 code/win keys. If your OG board has R4 bottom row, use the R4 win keys. If your OG board has R5 bottom row, use the R5 win keys.
6. We only need R4 arrow keys for those who have OG R5 bottom row but want to use 1.25u mods. R5 arrow keys are not necessary.


Personally I think we should support this layout for 1800 since that's the layout that has doubleshot keys:

I don't think this layout is too popular so we could take out these keys:

[[Lewynlight]]

thanks for all of your feedback, this set has grown so much.
let's start from here (my pic) and decides which key has to go.  )

Show Image

good idea!
1. You got the 75%/65% wrong. Should have R4 end instead of R1 home
2. We don't need R1 Delete, End, PgDn since these keys are R1 on OG 1800 boards already
3. What is the point of the R4 to 1800 row?
4. We should add R4 code/win keys for OG 1800 with R4 WKL bottom row.
5. We can take out 1.5u alt/ctrl since OG 1800 and OG 3000 boards will all come with these keys. We just need the R4 and R5 code/win keys. If your OG board has R4 bottom row, use the R4 win keys. If your OG board has R5 bottom row, use the R5 win keys.
6. We only need R4 arrow keys for those who have OG R5 bottom row but want to use 1.25u mods. R5 arrow keys are not necessary.

Thanks for the detailed comments! i'll try to answer that one by one.
1. oops, my bad. i've corrected my sketch but yet to upload at here. it's too late now, maybe tomorrow lol.
2. My basis for including those keys are for OG 3000 users that want to place their keys on 1800, hence they will need those keys.
3. same as no 2, for OG 3000 users that want to place their keys on 1800, hence they will need those keys.
4. could you elaborate more on this? i didn't catch your phrase lol, sorry.
5. I Include those keys because maybe there are some people who haven't tried R5 yet (but have OG1800/OG3000 R4 already) so they can swap their R4 keys for R5.
6. same as no. 5.

though that i'm thinking a bit far, but i feel that the market for reason number 2 and 3 are.. small. i'll see if there's actually any interest in this or not, if not, then i'll follow your suggestion on no. 2 and 3.

thanks again for the critics and comments!


oh damn you're actually uploading the picture lololol. you know what i mean then.

[nzhoward]

thanks for all of your feedback, this set has grown so much.
let's start from here (my pic) and decides which key has to go.  )

Show Image

good idea!
1. You got the 75%/65% wrong. Should have R4 end instead of R1 home
2. We don't need R1 Delete, End, PgDn since these keys are R1 on OG 1800 boards already
3. What is the point of the R4 to 1800 row?
4. We should add R4 code/win keys for OG 1800 with R4 WKL bottom row.
5. We can take out 1.5u alt/ctrl since OG 1800 and OG 3000 boards will all come with these keys. We just need the R4 and R5 code/win keys. If your OG board has R4 bottom row, use the R4 win keys. If your OG board has R5 bottom row, use the R5 win keys.
6. We only need R4 arrow keys for those who have OG R5 bottom row but want to use 1.25u mods. R5 arrow keys are not necessary.

Thanks for the detailed comments! i'll try to answer that one by one.
1. oops, my bad. i've corrected my sketch but yet to upload at here. it's too late now, maybe tomorrow lol.
2. My basis for including those keys are for OG 3000 users that want to place their keys on 1800, hence they will need those keys.
3. same as no 2, for OG 3000 users that want to place their keys on 1800, hence they will need those keys.
4. could you elaborate more on this? i didn't catch your phrase lol, sorry.
5. I Include those keys because maybe there are some people who haven't tried R5 yet (but have OG1800/OG3000 R4 already) so they can swap their R4 keys for R5.
6. same as no. 5.

though that i'm thinking a bit far, but i feel that the market for reason number 2 and 3 are.. small. i'll see if there's actually any interest in this or not, if not, then i'll follow your suggestion on no. 2 and 3.

thanks again for the critics and comments!


oh damn you're actually uploading the picture lololol. you know what i mean then.

For 4. I just mean for those who have R4 1.5u OG 1800 mods, they would need an R4 1u win/code key

[[Lewynlight]]

thanks for all of your feedback, this set has grown so much.
let's start from here (my pic) and decides which key has to go.  )

Show Image

good idea!
1. You got the 75%/65% wrong. Should have R4 end instead of R1 home
2. We don't need R1 Delete, End, PgDn since these keys are R1 on OG 1800 boards already
3. What is the point of the R4 to 1800 row?
4. We should add R4 code/win keys for OG 1800 with R4 WKL bottom row.
5. We can take out 1.5u alt/ctrl since OG 1800 and OG 3000 boards will all come with these keys. We just need the R4 and R5 code/win keys. If your OG board has R4 bottom row, use the R4 win keys. If your OG board has R5 bottom row, use the R5 win keys.
6. We only need R4 arrow keys for those who have OG R5 bottom row but want to use 1.25u mods. R5 arrow keys are not necessary.

Thanks for the detailed comments! i'll try to answer that one by one.
1. oops, my bad. i've corrected my sketch but yet to upload at here. it's too late now, maybe tomorrow lol.
2. My basis for including those keys are for OG 3000 users that want to place their keys on 1800, hence they will need those keys.
3. same as no 2, for OG 3000 users that want to place their keys on 1800, hence they will need those keys.
4. could you elaborate more on this? i didn't catch your phrase lol, sorry.
5. I Include those keys because maybe there are some people who haven't tried R5 yet (but have OG1800/OG3000 R4 already) so they can swap their R4 keys for R5.
6. same as no. 5.

though that i'm thinking a bit far, but i feel that the market for reason number 2 and 3 are.. small. i'll see if there's actually any interest in this or not, if not, then i'll follow your suggestion on no. 2 and 3.

thanks again for the critics and comments!


oh damn you're actually uploading the picture lololol. you know what i mean then.

For 4. I just mean for those who have R4 1.5u OG 1800 mods, they would need an R4 1u win/code key

Ahhh i see. Yes i'll make one more set of that black diamon on r4.

[hineybush]

We wouldn't need an enter key because all og 1800 and 3000 keysets have the same enter as modern keysets. If we want to keep keycount low, we should take out the trap altogether

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Disagree, I've bought both iso and ansi boards and I'd like to switch some of the iso ones over.

[nzhoward]

We wouldn't need an enter key because all og 1800 and 3000 keysets have the same enter as modern keysets. If we want to keep keycount low, we should take out the trap altogether

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Disagree, I've bought both iso and ansi boards and I'd like to switch some of the iso ones over.

You would need more than just the ANSI enter if your og set is ISO tho

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[TalkingTree]

In for the R5.

[ideus]

In for R5 (AKA A-Profile); but, what legend is going to be used for Profile A 1u. Windows? Code? Dot? Diamond?

[nzhoward]

In for R5 (AKA A-Profile); but, what legend is going to be used for Profile A 1u. Windows? Code? Dot? Diamond?

I would prefer Code

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[Puddsy]

In for R5 (AKA A-Profile); but, what legend is going to be used for Profile A 1u. Windows? Code? Dot? Diamond?

diamond pls

[hineybush]

Code or diamond

[[Lewynlight]]

we'll gonna need a vote to decide that.

alright.,Also, I'm going to see if deleting that G80-11900 bottom row and converting it to ISO-to-ANSI kit makes some value added or not.

[nzhoward]

we'll gonna need a vote to decide that.

alright.,Also, I'm going to see if deleting that G80-11900 bottom row and converting it to ISO-to-ANSI kit makes some value added or not.

Yea. Taking out 11900 is a good idea. We can also have a vote or IC form to see the demand for iso

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[autobot]

Code or diamond

Code! 

[[Lewynlight]]

IC forms are up.

[Rayndalf]

The stepped control key should use the abbreviated 'Ctrl' so it can fit all sexy like

Edit: Just took a better look at the newest render and it appears this is already the case. Given the sudden bounty of 1800 pcbs, this should be pretty popular with people using winkeyed 1800 keysets winkeyless

[ideus]

The stepped control key should use the abbreviated 'Ctrl' so it can fit all sexy like

Edit: Just took a better look at the newest render and it appears this is already the case. Given the sudden bounty of 1800 pcbs, this should be pretty popular with people using winkeyed 1800 keysets winkeyless

This stepped control key would be a first, if I am not missing something, it has not been offered previously in the classic beige color. If someone has any recollection on it, please correct me, otherwise it would be a great detail to make this set a very special one, that no serious keyboard aficinado could afford to let it passing.


I have not mentioned the ISO compatibility keys in the IC form, because I have enough of them already, however, it would be great if a C-Profile acute accent and tilde key is included along an ISO key. Those keys make any ANSI set to be XT compatible, which is a great way to use an ANSI set along with an ISO enter key.

[TalkingTree]

This stepped control key [...] no serious keyboard aficinado could afford to let it passing.

This gentleman couldn't have nailed it any better. I agree with my whole heart.

Regarding ISO compatibility, one thing that would be give a big plus to this set is a profile-B angled brackets key in U9 for symmetry with the left shift.

[hansichen]

The stepped control key should use the abbreviated 'Ctrl' so it can fit all sexy like

Edit: Just took a better look at the newest render and it appears this is already the case. Given the sudden bounty of 1800 pcbs, this should be pretty popular with people using winkeyed 1800 keysets winkeyless

This stepped control key would be a first, if I am not missing something, it has not been offered previously in the classic beige color. If someone has any recollection on it, please correct me, otherwise it would be a great detail to make this set a very special one, that no serious keyboard aficinado could afford to let it passing.


I have not mentioned the ISO compatibility keys in the IC form, because I have enough of them already, however, it would be great if a C-Profile acute accent and tilde key is included along an ISO key. Those keys make any ANSI set to be XT compatible, which is a great way to use an ANSI set along with an ISO enter key.

GMK 9009 had a stepped ctrl key

[ideus]

The stepped control key should use the abbreviated 'Ctrl' so it can fit all sexy like

Edit: Just took a better look at the newest render and it appears this is already the case. Given the sudden bounty of 1800 pcbs, this should be pretty popular with people using winkeyed 1800 keysets winkeyless

This stepped control key would be a first, if I am not missing something, it has not been offered previously in the classic beige color. If someone has any recollection on it, please correct me, otherwise it would be a great detail to make this set a very special one, that no serious keyboard aficinado could afford to let it passing.


I have not mentioned the ISO compatibility keys in the IC form, because I have enough of them already, however, it would be great if a C-Profile acute accent and tilde key is included along an ISO key. Those keys make any ANSI set to be XT compatible, which is a great way to use an ANSI set along with an ISO enter key.

GMK 9009 had a stepped ctrl key

Alright, it would not be a first, but the opportunity to get one for those that did not join the 9009.

[[Lewynlight]]

I'm on a little side-business-trip right now. i'll make some adjustment tonight, thank you for the great support!

and unfortunately, i don't know things about ISO. so some guidance would be appreciated.

[Rayndalf]

I feel like a little extra punctuation would make the 'Trap!' key a thing to behold. I'm not an expert by any means, but 'Trap!?' with both an exclamation point and a question mark would really convey the confusion and awe one might feel in the moment they realize its weapon systems are fully operational.

[[Lewynlight]]

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I feel like a little extra punctuation would make the 'Trap!' key a thing to behold. I'm not an expert by any means, but 'Trap!?' with both an exclamation point and a question mark would really convey the confusion and awe one might feel in the moment they realize its weapon systems are fully operational.

this is cute! i'll try to make a illustration of it later lol

[Puddsy]

might consider adding 2.25u shift so that this also functions as a HADapter or an ISO->ANSI adapter for OG sets

might also consider a 7u but that's not as important

[[Lewynlight]]

alright bois, here we go:

I removed 11900 set and changed it to:
a. Adding one pair of code key for R5 tsangan kit
b. Adding one set of ISO that support XT (Ideus' idea)
c. Adding one 2.25u Shift key for complete HADApter Support
d. adding a cuter trap enter (lol)

which i think has more value added than before. i guess this set is complete. i'll try to contact GMK for a quote this week if my schedule allows me to.

[nzhoward]

alright bois, here we go:

I removed 11900 set and changed it to:
a. Adding one pair of code key for R5 tsangan kit
b. Adding one set of ISO that support XT (Ideus' idea)
c. Adding one 2.25u Shift key for complete HADApter Support
d. adding a cuter trap enter (lol)

which i think has more value added than before. i guess this set is complete. i'll try to contact GMK for a quote this week if my schedule allows me to.

Nice changes! One set of those code/diamond keys should be R4 though. There are OG WKL sets that have R4 ctrl/alt and would be missing winkeys in the right profile.

[ideus]

alright bois, here we go:

I removed 11900 set and changed it to:
a. Adding one pair of code key for R5 tsangan kit
b. Adding one set of ISO that support XT (Ideus' idea)
c. Adding one 2.25u Shift key for complete HADApter Support
d. adding a cuter trap enter (lol)

which i think has more value added than before. i guess this set is complete. i'll try to contact GMK for a quote this week if my schedule allows me to.

Shut up and take my monies!

[[Lewynlight]]

hiya. so i got a quote from GMK yesterday, but i think the price is a bit too high for us to afford (about 80usd something).
we really need to reduce some keys )

[Giorgio]

hiya. so i got a quote from GMK yesterday, but i think the price is a bit too high for us to afford (about 80usd something).
we really need to reduce some keys )

80 USD? They're condemned.

[Puddsy]

hiya. so i got a quote from GMK yesterday, but i think the price is a bit too high for us to afford (about 80usd something).
we really need to reduce some keys )

80 USD? They're condemned.

USD <-> EUR has been tanking for the last few months

red riot was 120 and over the course of a week it went up to 135

EUR price exactly the same

cut r5, ISO, and the r3 control keys and that should lower the price a fair bit

if you're still doing that novelty enter cut that too