Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth

[kekman]

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preeetty sure the bluetooth module has to go somewhere

[joric]

preeetty sure the bluetooth module has to go somewhere

Yeah? What's inside then? HHKB2 had enough space for a gigantic controller board and a Li-Po battery.

[kekman]

preeetty sure the bluetooth module has to go somewhere

Yeah? What's inside then? HHKB2 had enough space for a gigantic controller board and a Li-Po battery.

why don't you buy one and check if it matters that much to you

[joric]

why don't you buy one and check if it matters that much to you

I actually preordered one, just out of curiosity (hope I'll be in the first 1000 and get the "smart case" as well, whatever that is).
Shipping starts april, 25. Plus something about a week till I get my hands on it. Hasu probably will get it sooner.
It's selling right here http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ foreigners may order it via http://www.tenso.com/en/

[kekman]

why don't you buy one and check if it matters that much to you

I actually preordered one, just out of curiosity (hope I'll be in the first 1000 and get the "smart case" as well, whatever that is).
Shipping starts april, 25. Plus something about a week till I get my hands on it. Hasu probably will get it sooner.
It's selling right here http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ foreigners may order it via http://www.tenso.com/en/

nice, i dont really see myself getting one unless a type-s version comes out in white

[iLLucionist]

why don't you buy one and check if it matters that much to you

I actually preordered one, just out of curiosity (hope I'll be in the first 1000 and get the "smart case" as well, whatever that is).
Shipping starts april, 25. Plus something about a week till I get my hands on it. Hasu probably will get it sooner.
It's selling right here http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ foreigners may order it via http://www.tenso.com/en/

Pliieeess post a (small) review yes? And/or pics? I'm curious how good the plastic mold is for the back.

[joric]

Pliieeess post a (small) review yes? And/or pics? I'm curious how good the plastic mold is for the back.

Sure. I'm personally more interested in pics of the main board and electronics (should be all 3.3v) and if does it fit into the old case (re: white type-s).

[iLLucionist]

Pliieeess post a (small) review yes? And/or pics? I'm curious how good the plastic mold is for the back.

Sure. I'm personally more interested in pics of the main board and electronics (should be all 3.3v) and if does it fit into the old case (re: white type-s).

Cool! I'm also curious about the board. And build quality. I have the feeling pfu is going down hill. Probably not, but if you really think about pumping out these units something must be off.

[kasakka]

That bump at the back..that's just really terrible design when the case already should have enough space.

[Bucake]

hail hasu

[funderburker]

hail hasu

Maybe PFU needs to make Hasu their "Head of HHKB development" or whatever the position is called?

[ctm]

IMO it doesn't look as beautiful as the wired HHKB. The battery life looks really nice though. Why do stock Bluetooth have so much longer battery life compared to community developed ones (e.g. Hasu's bluetooth controller for HHKB, or GON's bluetooth module)? It is because they do optimization in the circuit (say lowering scan rate?) to save power?

[iLLucionist]

IMO it doesn't look as beautiful as the wired HHKB. The battery life looks really nice though. Why do stock Bluetooth have so much longer battery life compared to community developed ones (e.g. Hasu's bluetooth controller for HHKB, or GON's bluetooth module)? It is because they do optimization in the circuit (say lowering scan rate?) to save power?

I'm afraid it's gonna lag. I have this with my apple wireless aluminum keyboard. I literally threw that POS in the garbage. Useless if you type faster than 60wpm.

[joric]

Hasu's bluetooth controller for HHKB, or GON's bluetooth module

I have an alt controller, yeah, battery life is terrible. What's with a GON/NerD bluetooth (FB155BC)? Can't find battery life specs for this keyboard.

[bazh]

that crappy design choice  and micro b connector 
I'd rather buy a hasu controller

Agreed, mini USB would have made this more desireable.

The only thing that would make this remotely compelling versus the Hasu controller is battery life.

What is the battery life with the Hasu controller?

dummies question: what's the deal with mini-usb? Why is it the deal-breaker to a lot of people here when it comes to micro-usb?

[appleonama]

that crappy design choice  and micro b connector 
I'd rather buy a hasu controller

Agreed, mini USB would have made this more desireable.

The only thing that would make this remotely compelling versus the Hasu controller is battery life.

What is the battery life with the Hasu controller?

dummies question: what's the deal with mini-usb? Why is it the deal-breaker to a lot of people here when it comes to micro-usb?

MORE FRAGILE BRO WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO SAY

[iLLucionist]

Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?

[joric]

I don't think it really changed much (it looks exactly the same from the front). And I just love microusb and wireless.

[ctm]

Hasu's bluetooth controller for HHKB, or GON's bluetooth module

I have an alt controller, yeah, battery life is terrible. What's with a GON/NerD bluetooth (FB155BC)? Can't find battery life specs for this keyboard.

It's not on the website. I emailed GON and they replied the battery life is around 24 hours.

[SpAmRaY]

Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?

I think it's great PFU is attempting anything new with the hhkb and if I was in a buying position I'd be all over it.

[Polymer]

Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?

If it doesn't lag and the battery life on AA's is 3months..that's pretty damn nice....I would consider getting one simply because it makes things easy..

I wouldn't want any of the "fake" innovation you mentioned before...but programmable would've been nice...I would've liked to see it Bluetooth, batteries in the same exact form factor as well without the bulge but the bulge itself isn't a no...

The part that is annoying though is no way adding bluetooth = 100 dollars...

[swimmingbird]

Even if you hate the design its a glimmer of hope that PFU still actually give a **** about the HHKB

[iLLucionist]

Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?

I think it's great PFU is attempting anything new with the hhkb and if I was in a buying position I'd be all over it.

I do encourage pfu for trying something new.

[iLLucionist]

Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?

If it doesn't lag and the battery life on AA's is 3months..that's pretty damn nice....I would consider getting one simply because it makes things easy..

I wouldn't want any of the "fake" innovation you mentioned before...but programmable would've been nice...I would've liked to see it Bluetooth, batteries in the same exact form factor as well without the bulge but the bulge itself isn't a no...

The part that is annoying though is no way adding bluetooth = 100 dollars...

Yeah pricing of pfu is really... extreme. Like we'd buy it anyway or so.

[joric]

Yeah pricing of pfu is really... extreme. Like we'd buy it anyway or so.

Not so much, about $275 + $15 for shipping, an year ago you would pay about $270 for a non type-s HHKB from Ebay.

[losing_ctrl]

Recently ordered a HHKB JP Type-S to use with my iPad mostly, but would have been interested in a Bluetooth version if it was available at the time. However that bump out pretty much cancels out my interest in it. I don't know if that makes me someone with high aesthetic standards or just a shallow, superficial chump, because 3-month battery life sounds really good to me.

Let's see, if I purchase a 48-pack of Amazon Basics AAs for $12, that could theoretically provide me 6 years of power. OK, closer to 4-5 years since power capacity goes down over time during storage, but still, that's pretty good.

[iLLucionist]

Yeah pricing of pfu is really... extreme. Like we'd buy it anyway or so.

Not so much, about $275 + $15 for shipping, an year ago you would pay about $270 for a non type-s HHKB from Ebay.

Still ridiculously expensive if you ask me.

[rsadek]

Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.


Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.

[iLLucionist]

Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.


Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.

I'm not sure what all the hype around wireless is anyway? Of course it's personal and different for everybody, but I really do not mind a cable on my desk sticking out of my keyboard.

[Polymer]

Yeah pricing of pfu is really... extreme. Like we'd buy it anyway or so.

Not so much, about $275 + $15 for shipping, an year ago you would pay about $270 for a non type-s HHKB from Ebay.

That's because of the exchange rate...

The key for me is, now that I'm going to have to start taking my keyboard more, how long will it take, if ever, for me to get tired of dealing w/ the cable...

I don't even use a wireless mouse but that's because they lag and the ones that don't aren't worth toting around..

[Frenir]

Exciting stuff!

[iLLucionist]

I guess if pfu fixed the lagging / jamming of wireless kb at higher wpms they WILL sell like crazy.

I've yet to see a wireless kb that registers alles strokes at high wpms.

[Polymer]

I guess if pfu fixed the lagging / jamming of wireless kb at higher wpms they WILL sell like crazy.

I've yet to see a wireless kb that registers alles strokes at high wpms.

I don't really know if it'll make a difference to most users..although it might make a difference to Topre users...

But for me personally, that might be the difference between buying it or not...

[LiquidEvilGaming]

Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board.  I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life. 

[iLLucionist]

Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board.  I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life.

Hmmm... if this pairs well with my iPad I'll probably buy one as well.

[rowdy]

The batteries might make it a bit heavier - stop it sliding around quite as much.

[iLLucionist]

The batteries might make it a bit heavier - stop it sliding around quite as much.

Hopefully the new HHKB BT version comes with better rubber grips as well.

[Belfong]

Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.


Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.

I'm not sure what all the hype around wireless is anyway? Of course it's personal and different for everybody, but I really do not mind a cable on my desk sticking out of my keyboard.

For me? It's a HHKB keyboard for the iPad. That's the reason for a wireless.

[iLLucionist]

Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.


Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.

I'm not sure what all the hype around wireless is anyway? Of course it's personal and different for everybody, but I really do not mind a cable on my desk sticking out of my keyboard.

For me? It's a HHKB keyboard for the iPad. That's the reason for a wireless.

Yeah... I'm thinking about that myself know. Though just for an iPad keyboard this really is expensive lol.

[LiquidEvilGaming]

Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.


Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.

I'm not sure what all the hype around wireless is anyway? Of course it's personal and different for everybody, but I really do not mind a cable on my desk sticking out of my keyboard.

For me? It's a HHKB keyboard for the iPad. That's the reason for a wireless.

Yeah... I'm thinking about that myself know. Though just for an iPad keyboard this really is expensive lol.

Indeed it is,but if you live by your iPad when traveling it may be worth it.  My pok3r works fine with the Camera lightning adapter but i'd much rather use the HHKB and eliminate the wire at the same time.  I considered the Hasu option but as much as i admire his work the short battery life combined with my lack of trust in putting a cheap battery right underneath the PCB to a very expensive keyboard...this option is more or less ideal for me.  As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.

[Belfong]

As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.

agree.. if connectivity is stable and the battery life is indeed 3 months as claimed, then I am happy with this board for the iPad .. or even the Mac..  I don't really care if it jut out a bit. When I am looking at the HHKB in front of me, I don't think I can see the back ... so I will just pretend it is not there, LOL! 

[iLLucionist]

As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.

agree.. if connectivity is stable and the battery life is indeed 3 months as claimed, then I am happy with this board for the iPad .. or even the Mac..  I don't really care if it jut out a bit. When I am looking at the HHKB in front of me, I don't think I can see the back ... so I will just pretend it is not there, LOL! 

Haha pretending it's not there.. that might work actually! Like with apple's own translucent keyboard.

[Belfong]

As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.

agree.. if connectivity is stable and the battery life is indeed 3 months as claimed, then I am happy with this board for the iPad .. or even the Mac..  I don't really care if it jut out a bit. When I am looking at the HHKB in front of me, I don't think I can see the back ... so I will just pretend it is not there, LOL! 

Haha pretending it's not there.. that might work actually! Like with apple's own translucent keyboard.

when you are one with the cup rubber, who cares about the boner at the back? Just enjoy the feeling (opps, wrong quote)

[iLLucionist]

As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.

agree.. if connectivity is stable and the battery life is indeed 3 months as claimed, then I am happy with this board for the iPad .. or even the Mac..  I don't really care if it jut out a bit. When I am looking at the HHKB in front of me, I don't think I can see the back ... so I will just pretend it is not there, LOL! 

Haha pretending it's not there.. that might work actually! Like with apple's own translucent keyboard.

when you are one with the cup rubber, who cares about the boner at the back? Just enjoy the feeling (opps, wrong quote)

Hehe I see what you did there...

[TopreFan333]

Well, I don't understand why they went with a AA battery solution because it looks... out-dated. I think that their design team is stuck in 2005.

The back hump is a little funky looking, but I'm totally on board with AAs -- I use Eneloop rechargables and can just pop new ones in very quickly, vs. waiting for a lithium-ion battery to recharge. Or if I was travelling I could of course buy new batteries anywhere on earth.

[iLLucionist]

Well, I don't understand why they went with a AA battery solution because it looks... out-dated. I think that their design team is stuck in 2005.

The back hump is a little funky looking, but I'm totally on board with AAs -- I use Eneloop rechargables and can just pop new ones in very quickly, vs. waiting for a lithium-ion battery to recharge. Or if I was travelling I could of course buy new batteries anywhere on earth.

What would've been REALLY innovative if you ask me, is make a Lithium-ion battery the size of the PCB and maybe 2-3mm thick and stick it UNDER the PCB (like the new MacBook). That should hold enough charge for some keyboarding.

And given how small the PCB's are on Apple laptops (and iPhones), BT technology could've fit EASILY on the PCB that's already there. This really seems clunky, still.

EDIT: As a matter of fact, I think Apple did this battery thing with the new aluminum wireless BT keyboard:

[joric]

It isn't really necessary. I have Filco Convertible 2 that powers from 2xAA batteries and its battery life is tremendous - 6 months officialy, but it works for about an year already, under a heavy use (on duracell turbomax batteries).

[iLLucionist]

It isn't really necessary. I have Filco Convertible 2 that powers from 2xAA batteries and its battery life is tremendous - 6 months officialy, but it works for about an year already, under a heavy use (on duracell turbomax batteries).

I get what you are saying. But strictly, cup rubber is also not necessary.

Would you prefer built-in batteries (accu like apple's) or bring your own batteries?

That battery life sounds amazing though.

[Rad]

The Battery Cartel got 'em by the balls.

[FrostyToast]

They traded away aesthetic for the return of functionality.
How is this objectively bad?

I'm a man who values looks before functionality but even then I have to say that I can approve of this. AA batteries will always be more functional than lithium ion in the event that bulk and weight are of no concern.