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[GB] SA SAIL // Complete
« on: Thu, 27 February 2020, 15:08:05 »


Hello and welcome to the GB for SA SAIL!

In case you don't already know, this set is based on the SAIL (Stanford AI Lab) keyboard created by Les Earnest, inventor of the Finger protocol. SAIL itself was started by John McCarthy, inventor of the LISP programming language. The SAIL keyboard inspired the Knight keyboard, which in turn inspired the LISP Machine CADR and Space Cadet keyboards. The keyboard features beautiful teal keycaps and a mix of APL and Greek top legends, as opposed to the Space Cadet keyboard where the Greek legends are on the front of the keys. The SAIL keyboard also introduced the META and TOP keys.




GB will run from March 1-27 with the following vendors:

US: NovelKeys
Canada: DeskHero
EU: MyKeyboard
Asia: iLumkb
Oceania: DailyClack



Estimated shipping date: November 2020


Kits


















Renders

RAMA U80-A





Iron165







KBD19X







Atlas








Deskmats

A simple, PCB-inspired deskmat will be offered alongside the set in 2 flavors: Green Hi-Contrast and Black Monochrome.

Green Hi-Contrast







Black Monochrome








Acknowledgements

--Hhkbp2/Jiezhou for all the detailed advice about custom fonts and running a GB through SP
--Abec13 for all the beautiful renders, including redoing them for the bolder legends, as well as all the advice on the 40s kit breakdown
--depletedvespene for the advice about the ISO kit and the original idea for the novelty keys
--Everyone who filled out the IC form and gave feedback
--All my vendors for their support
« Last Edit: Wed, 30 March 2022, 10:27:34 by Fredington »

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL | March 1-27
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 12:52:10 »
Approved
Very busy with studies atm.

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 14:13:43 »
NovelKeys is currently live and other vendors will be live soon!

Please note that for NovelKeys, the deskmat is on a separate page.


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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 15:16:52 »
nice deskmats! I just need more tables.

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 16:49:15 »
Oh my god those deskmats!

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 17:08:25 »
Joined!!!



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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 18:57:07 »
iLumkb is Live now, awesome design!

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 29 February 2020, 20:20:39 »
All vendors are live ahead of schedule!

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 01 March 2020, 08:10:50 »
Ordered mine last night!

Can't wait!

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 02 March 2020, 16:41:05 »
Stoked that SP's lead time isn't as long as it used to be. Def looking forward to this one. Good luck  :thumb:


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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 03 March 2020, 05:36:48 »
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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 03 March 2020, 11:47:46 »
Just joined! Alphas + Mods + Maths. Can’t wait!


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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 03 March 2020, 19:34:46 »
Will numbers "1", "3" and "5" look exactly like the once in the pictures (7bit style)?

They will look like how they are drawn, yes, as the number row is comprised of custom legends, unlike SA Symbiosis if that's what you're getting at. They are not 7bit style, just simply what was present on the SAIL keyboard.
« Last Edit: Wed, 04 March 2020, 11:47:51 by Fredington »

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 05 March 2020, 08:37:41 »
any plans to do this in KAT profile?

lemme rephrase this: PLEASE do this in KAT profile :D
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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 05 March 2020, 08:59:37 »
any plans to do this in KAT profile?

lemme rephrase this: PLEASE do this in KAT profile :D

No plans currently.

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 06 March 2020, 17:24:48 »
I know the GB already started and I will likely pick it up, but...

It is super a shame that there is no spacebar kit since Signature Plastics is the only place that has molds for 3, 4, 4.5 and all the other odd sizes in SA profile...

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 06 March 2020, 17:44:02 »
I know the GB already started and I will likely pick it up, but...

It is super a shame that there is no spacebar kit since Signature Plastics is the only place that has molds for 3, 4, 4.5 and all the other odd sizes in SA profile...

What layouts are those for? The aim of this GB was to keep kits pretty trim for the sake of cost with all the new molds and all that. Also, nobody asked for those during the IC, except one person who asked for 3u bars shortly before the GB started.

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #19 on: Sat, 07 March 2020, 14:36:39 »
I know the GB already started and I will likely pick it up, but...

It is super a shame that there is no spacebar kit since Signature Plastics is the only place that has molds for 3, 4, 4.5 and all the other odd sizes in SA profile...

What layouts are those for? The aim of this GB was to keep kits pretty trim for the sake of cost with all the new molds and all that. Also, nobody asked for those during the IC, except one person who asked for 3u bars shortly before the GB started.

Yeah I know it is a supply and demand thing. 6U and 6.5U are for Leopold and Apple classic layout, 3U is common for 40% boards. I think 4.5 is for NIZ Plum.

Yeah based on supply and demand I totally get why they weren’t included. It’s just a rare opportunity to get them in a GB.

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 23:29:33 »


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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 18:58:22 »
Is that all vendors?



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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 21:12:33 »
Is that all vendors?

Yes but it's already outdated as of last night. Overall it was a pretty decent first week considering all the competition from GMK this month. Not to get ahead of ourselves, but I'm not really worried about the main kits like alphas, mods, and even maths. I'm also fairly confident that numpad, ISO, and even ortho have a good chance of making it. Ergo and 40s, those are going to need some help, but that's the case in almost any GB. There's still a good chunk of time left in the GB and last day surges can surprise you.

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 11 March 2020, 19:49:36 »
There's still a good chunk of time left in the GB and last day surges can surprise you.

Admittedly I was a bit worried, but I've done some research on other sets. I see what you mean. There seems to be a steady but small rise through the group buys. Then a huge rise at the end of nearly all the GBs.
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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 12 March 2020, 18:35:47 »
people get their paychecks!

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 17:47:07 »


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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 18:01:12 »
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If any of you guys follow NovelKeys or myself on Instagram, you might have seen that all kits will be produced. So if you fancy this set, order with confidence and lock in yours at GB price!

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // March 1-27
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 19:23:56 »
Any update on when this will be ran?

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If any of you guys follow NovelKeys or myself on Instagram, you might have seen that all kits will be produced. So if you fancy this set, order with confidence and lock in yours at GB price!

Done and done! Thanks for running such a well organized GB.


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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Ends this Friday, March 27 (3 more days!)
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 13:57:30 »
Just popping in to remind everyone that this GB will end in a few days this Friday, March 27. Currently trying to get some updated numbers from my vendors, but all kits will be made. Thank you for all your support!
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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Last day, ends TONIGHT!
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 27 March 2020, 06:58:42 »
Today is the last day to order your set at GB prices!

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Last day, ends TONIGHT!
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 27 March 2020, 20:49:28 »


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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Closed
« Reply #31 on: Sat, 28 March 2020, 06:01:11 »
GB is now closed. Final numbers are being tallied.
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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Closed
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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Closed
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 06 May 2020, 18:07:32 »
GB is now closed. Final numbers are being tallied.

Out of curiosity, has SP updated you on the possible fulfillment timeline? I would expect there to be delays due to the current situation and other GB sets.



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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Closed
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 10 June 2020, 21:24:59 »
GB is now closed. Final numbers are being tallied.

Out of curiosity, has SP updated you on the possible fulfillment timeline? I would expect there to be delays due to the current situation and other GB sets.

Melissa confirmed today that they are still on track for November.

They are currently in the color matching phase and I expect to be able to see a color sample in the first half of July.

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Closed
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 10 July 2020, 00:47:13 »
GB is now closed. Final numbers are being tallied.

Out of curiosity, has SP updated you on the possible fulfillment timeline? I would expect there to be delays due to the current situation and other GB sets.

Melissa confirmed today that they are still on track for November.

They are currently in the color matching phase and I expect to be able to see a color sample in the first half of July.

Did you ever get the color samples?

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Color Matching Underway
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 10 July 2020, 19:00:05 »
Deskmats were originally scheduled to ship this month. Is there any update on that?


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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Color Matching Underway
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 10 July 2020, 19:32:54 »
Deskmats were originally scheduled to ship this month. Is there any update on that?
Waiting to hear back from our manu, but most likely this is going to be delayed. All shipping has grinded to a hault from their shipping depot.

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Closed
« Reply #38 on: Sat, 11 July 2020, 15:18:25 »
Did you ever get the color samples?

Yes, I got it on Monday. Unfortunately, it came out slightly more blue than the standard, so I rejected it. There will be a 2nd round.

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Closed
« Reply #39 on: Sat, 11 July 2020, 16:34:34 »
Did you ever get the color samples?

Yes, I got it on Monday. Unfortunately, it came out slightly more blue than the standard, so I rejected it. There will be a 2nd round.

Ha.  I knew that would happen.  It’s a subtle color, indeed.  And I’m glad you are being particular!   Thanks for the update. 

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Closed
« Reply #40 on: Sat, 11 July 2020, 19:00:32 »
Ha.  I knew that would happen.  It’s a subtle color, indeed.  And I’m glad you are being particular!   Thanks for the update.

I request SA Sail in the Pixelpusher blue caps group pic later this year

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Color Matching Underway
« Reply #41 on: Sat, 11 July 2020, 21:14:04 »
If you insist.  ;D

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Color Matching Approved, Moving to Production
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 24 August 2020, 09:13:19 »
Hi all,

Finally received the 2nd round today and after comparing it to the 1st round, I'm actually planning on approving the 1st round, as it skews more green than the 2nd:


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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Color Matching Approved, Moving to Production
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 24 August 2020, 21:37:32 »
Thanks for the update. I'm fine with either one of those, but I do agree the first looks like a closer match


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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Color Matching Approved, Moving to Production
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 06 October 2020, 06:26:26 »
I realize I'm way too late here.  Is there no longer any way to buy one of these keyboards?  Or keysets?  I'm doing a lot of PDP-10 emulation, and a SAIL keyboard work-alike would be good for running the SAIL operating system, WAITS.  Also ITS, since MIT had one of those keyboards for running SUDS.

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Color Matching Approved, Moving to Production
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 06 October 2020, 06:28:35 »
The Group Buy for this keyset is over but there may be extras after they’ve all shipped or you could buy a set on the after market
       

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Production Underway, Sample Images
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 15 October 2020, 08:09:58 »
Hi all,

Here with an exciting update! Production is fully underway now and I have some sample images from SP to share with you. I've been informed that they are targeting the end of the month to finish production, so hopefully that remains true. Do note that the white balance is terrible on the first image, but I'm confident in the color matching from other sample photos they've shown me.



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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Production Underway, Sample Images
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 15 October 2020, 12:37:35 »
Hi all,

Here with an exciting update! Production is fully underway now and I have some sample images from SP to share with you. I've been informed that they are targeting the end of the month to finish production, so hopefully that remains true. Do note that the white balance is terrible on the first image, but I'm confident in the color matching from other sample photos they've shown me.

Noice!!! Samples look great!



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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Production Underway, Sample Images
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 15 October 2020, 13:21:13 »
Thank you for the update!

Neat to see the variance in photographs. First could be SA Dasher's relative, second looks like the renders.

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Re: [GB] SA SAIL // Production Underway, Sample Images
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 15 October 2020, 16:11:08 »
Whoa, that white balance issue is wild. Hoping it doesn't turn into nautilus nightmares. Excited that it's so close now! November seemed like so far away when we started this...