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Offline huey

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[IC] DCS Honeywell
« on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:24:09 »

DCS Honeywell









Introduction
Hello Geekhack. I have been disgruntled with the lack of options when it comes to Signature Plastics DCS. Barring a few projects that have been going on over the last few months, there have been very little in ways of offerings for DCS.
This, and an admiration for the timeless colour-way that is Honeywell, together has prompted the idea of trying to organise a run of DCS Honeywell.

History
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The Honeywell colourway is one that takes its colours from a series of vintage terminal boards. These boards were produced and sold by the Honeywell brand a few decades after the acquisition of the Micro-Switch company and associated trademarks in 1950. These used their now distinguished SD series of Hall Effect switches. The caps used were very thick, tall, spherical, double-shot caps; and were made in a few configurations for different use-cases, whilst generally maintaining a familiar colour scheme. The Honeywell colour scheme as we know it in our modern use incorporates the grey and white scheme with the additions of red accents that have become timeless over the many years and rounds - This project is no different, though it is missing a black numpad…

Colours
The colours used will be WKF (alpha), GPA (mods), and RAS (accents). Please don’t take this picture as a colour accurate source.
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Kitting



This base kit supports ANSI/(UK)ISO 104, 1800, F13, Tsangan/MX HHKB, basic alice, and dirty mod pipe/tilde users. It also includes the choice of barred or nippled homing F, J and 5 keys.

Kitting is by no means final. I will be keeping an active eye on feedback and make reasonable changes as and when based on thematic choices and compatibility for the community.

The biggest point of contention I have is alice/split spacebar support. SP DCS spec states that spacebars under 3u are not produced convex (like normal spacebars), but are concave (like shifts).
This means there is no functional (albeit, aesthetic) difference from using shifts as spacebars. This is the reason I haven't supported those layouts out-right, but I am open to supporting them given the popularity of the layout. In the IC form, you can vote whether this should be added considering the information given.

I am going back and forth on legend for the mods, and haven't made a definite decision. I will be sticking with text+icon, but SP has options to choose from. For now, the renders will reflect the "stock" mod legending until final changes have been made, and finalised renders can be... rendered.




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Boards rendered:
Flamingo by Geon
Evolv by NathanAlphaMan
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Qs and As

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Will you remove UK-ISO from base?
No.

Ne alice/split space support avail?
Read the kitting section carefully.

Lmao why DCS? It's trash.
No.

No child kits?
DCS interest quite obviously isn't very high comparatively to other profiles. Adding child kits is certainly an option for more compat, but is also a point of failure.
If there is a decent amount of interest, I would love to add more compat and thematic choices via child kits/shifting kitting. But I'm not banking on it.

10u?
Yes please.

Estimate pricing?
I think it’s a bit of a pipe dream, but if a 200 MOQ could be met. Then my target price would be $110 (or less) with this base kit in mind. This obviously isn’t a final price.


Thanks/Credit
Credit to Miruim and 7bit for bringing this classic colourway to us in the first place via Deskthority.
Thanks to livingspeedbump/Andy for his blessing.
Thanks to friends that have given their time to provide me with feedback.
Thanks to Seoulcialite for the valuable information he has given to me.
Thanks to NathanAlphaMan for doing fantastic renders. It's great to see DCS models getting better and better.




Offline of_sam

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:24:17 »
There are too many words for my tiny brain. I like the colors. What is the cone board?
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:24:44 »
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:25:06 »
Interesting

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:25:16 »
nice

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:25:23 »
Dcs  :cool:

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:25:31 »
There are too many words for my tiny brain. I like the colors. What is the cone board?

Lets face it, your brain cant process more than three words simultaneously anyways and they generally are ISO IS GOOD
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:26:00 »
hueth hypeth
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:26:25 »
Really like this set. :)

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:26:33 »
Hueth poggeth! DCS lets gooooo

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:27:58 »
I'm 100% in!
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:30:17 »
Looking hot

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:32:52 »
why not center the legends? like the original? or is that not an option with SP?
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:34:57 »
thank you hueth very cool

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:35:03 »
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:36:15 »
If the goal is to provide Alice support, I'd also include 2u Shift as well as the extra B key.

That way an Alice layout's "spacebar" keys can match, and the user doesn't have to give up the numpad 2u in order to have a 2u spacebar.

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:37:08 »
Alps pls...

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:37:40 »
hell yeah

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:38:05 »
Yes!

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 13:38:31 »
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 14:10:33 »
Please note that Alice support includes an extra B as well. I would advise some R3 WFK blanks for spacebars (instead of R4 / R2 shifts). SP may be able to make this kit a small MOQ (50 iirc), but that may be too many.

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 14:15:22 »
why not center the legends? like the original? or is that not an option with SP?
I do not believe centred legends for DCS is a stock options and brand new moulds would have to made.
I also think on cylindrical keycaps, a corner aligned legends looks better. I would entirely agree if it the profile was spherical.

If the goal is to provide Alice support, I'd also include 2u Shift as well as the extra B key.

That way an Alice layout's "spacebar" keys can match, and the user doesn't have to give up the numpad 2u in order to have a 2u spacebar.
I do not believe that there is even a small amount of users that will use a separate numpad, plus an alice-style 60/65, and have the set across both boards. This cross section of choices is very particular. Nor are there any alice-style boards with a numpad that supports a 2u numpad shift that I know of. From the ones I've seen, they are all 1u 0.

The extra B will also come along with the space bars. I think if the user is okay with having shifts are spaces, they are likely okay with having the incorrect legend on the extra B. Though, having the same colour "spacebar" is a valid consideration.
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 14:16:49 »
Alps pls...
It would be cool as hell, but I'm afraid it'll be MX champ.
« Last Edit: Wed, 02 June 2021, 14:20:25 by huey »

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 15:19:11 »
goodbye dcs9009  this is now my favorite of all time
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 15:30:00 »
why not center the legends? like the original? or is that not an option with SP?
I do not believe centred legends for DCS is a stock options and brand new moulds would have to made.
I also think on cylindrical keycaps, a corner aligned legends looks better. I would entirely agree if it the profile was spherical.

If the goal is to provide Alice support, I'd also include 2u Shift as well as the extra B key.

That way an Alice layout's "spacebar" keys can match, and the user doesn't have to give up the numpad 2u in order to have a 2u spacebar.
I do not believe that there is even a small amount of users that will use a separate numpad, plus an alice-style 60/65, and have the set across both boards. This cross section of choices is very particular. Nor are there any alice-style boards with a numpad that supports a 2u numpad shift that I know of. From the ones I've seen, they are all 1u 0.

The extra B will also come along with the space bars. I think if the user is okay with having shifts are spaces, they are likely okay with having the incorrect legend on the extra B. Though, having the same colour "spacebar" is a valid consideration.

If you're doing a separate spacebar kit, then that's all workable.  I do know that the people who use GK64 layout and such, where the 2u shift key really is a shift key, would probably appreciate the compatibility too.

As for the extra B, note whether that increases that colors of plastic in the other kit.  If so, you may be better off with it in base from a cost-optimization standpoint.

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 16:27:55 »
If you're doing a separate spacebar kit, then that's all workable.  I do know that the people who use GK64 layout and such, where the 2u shift key really is a shift key, would probably appreciate the compatibility too.
If someone with a gk64 decides to buy this they should buy a better keyboard.
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 16:37:48 »
As an avid lover of this colorway, I approve of this message!

Say hi to Melissa and Bob over at SP! <3 those folks!

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 16:39:21 »
Classic colourway <3

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 16:47:03 »
100% in for this.

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 16:53:23 »
So much yes. Probably my all time favorite colorway, and I'd love to try out DCS.

Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 18:17:22 »
Lovely kitting and great colourway to bring to DCS. 100% in.

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 19:17:10 »
Forgot to add this to the IC form, but I will not consider this with text mods. I was really excited to see Honeywell with text + icon.

Also thanks sick project.
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 19:46:45 »
Forgot to add this to the IC form, but I will not consider this with text mods. I was really excited to see Honeywell with text + icon.

Also thanks sick project.

And it'll be a hard pass for me if it ends up being icon only. +1 for text+icon

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 03 June 2021, 01:07:13 »
great work, good luck with the ic

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 03 June 2021, 05:31:19 »
More DCS  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 03 June 2021, 05:49:05 »
Will you remove UK-ISO from base?
No.

Thank you, really digging this set colours and as a UK-ISO user who spends way to much to support inclusion of UK-ISO, my wallet is not prepared.

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 03 June 2021, 06:12:46 »
Never touched DCS but I really like honeywell.
Is there any estimated timeline yet?

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 03 June 2021, 07:44:17 »
yes please. if someone could rerun olivetti in dcs too, that would be cool

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 03 June 2021, 08:12:16 »
yooo is that the gmmk pro?



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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 03 June 2021, 12:45:05 »
Well **** on my nutsack and call me grandma, I'm in! You know I love Honeywell ;)

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 09:47:49 »
Perfect.  In 100%.
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 12:28:08 »
In!

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 11 June 2021, 18:04:33 »
Yes.

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 11 June 2021, 18:13:40 »
A classic is a classic, always. I am not sure about DCS worth paying the same price as GMK's, though.

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 11 June 2021, 18:18:41 »
I'd be interested depending on how much SP GB sets are going for these days. Haven't seen one in forever.


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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 11 June 2021, 21:31:35 »
A classic is a classic, always. I am not sure about DCS worth paying the same price as GMK's, though.

Having the caps a year earlier is worth something. Probably different amounts to different people, but definitely something.

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 11 June 2021, 21:33:31 »
No one interested in using Cherry legends like DCS Sleeper?  They look really nice.

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 12 June 2021, 01:58:06 »
Yeah, can we at least get a render of this with Cherry legends :D

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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 12 June 2021, 09:38:36 »
I'm personally not at all interested in that.
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Re: [IC] DCS Honeywell
« Reply #49 on: Sat, 12 June 2021, 10:54:59 »
No one interested in using Cherry legends like DCS Sleeper?  They look really nice.

Dcs legend is good by itself     It does not need the silly Cherry imitations      It can hold its own and it is a Recognizable  Thing Yes
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