Post by: admgc on Sun, 27 September 2015, 15:16:32
IC Voting
Please Vote in the Massdrop Poll (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/-New-Green-Screen-Amber-Screen-SA-ABS-Keycap-Sets)!
Overview
Hi Everyone, I'm designing keycaps inspired by the first computer I owned, a hand-me-down Apple IIe. It was old by the time I got it, but it started me off well enough. Assuming you were old enough to type in the late 80s, you probably used an Apple II at some point, or at least a computer with a green or amber phosphor CRT.
This has been in IC for a while now and with some great feedback from all of you, and we're in the home stretch design-wise. Special thanks to harlw, data, and derezzed for their input on colorways; to Oobly for the novelties ideas and SP specs knowledge.
Images
Version 1.2.1 (Updated 2016-02-26)
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Imgur Album: Green Screen SA Keycaps v.1.2.1 (http://imgur.com/a/0ZOtA)
Older Version 1.2.0 (Updated 2015-10-15)
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Inspiration
This.
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And these.
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"Green Screen" Details
- Signature Plastics ABS SA keys
- MX compatible stems
- Profile Rows 1-1-2-3-4-4
- Doubleshot legends
- Semi-Matte Finish (Standard)
Kits
- Green Screen Alphas Kit
- Green Screen Numpad Kit
- Amber Screen Alphas Kit
- Amber Screen Numpad Kit
- Green/Amber Screen Modifiers Kit
- Green/Amber Screen DNA (DNA's Not ANSI) Kit
- Green/Amber Screen Old School Homing Kit
- Green/Amber Screen 8-bit (novelties) Kit
- Green/Amber Screen Ortho Mods Kit (Planck, Atomic)
- Green/Amber Screen ErgoDox Kit
- Green Screen Alt Layouts Kit
- Green Screen I18n Mods Kit (ISO)
- Green Screen I18n Kit A (UK/IE)
- Green Screen I18n Kit B (DE/NO/DK/SE/IT)
- Green Screen I18n Kit C (FR)
Group Buy Plans
As a new member of the community, I don't intend to run a group buy myself nor collect any money. Hope to get this on Massdrop.
Work Log
Finish Green/Amber Screen 8-bit (novelties) Kit v1.2.1
Thanks everyone!
Post by: lolpes on Sun, 27 September 2015, 15:29:41
Post by: harlw on Sun, 27 September 2015, 21:21:18
If I'm looking at it apart from the concept it's a really nice subtle combination that I think I could grow to love. I'd like to see some custom legends to bring the set up a notch in design if you can generate some good interest. I can help with those but it will be awhile before I could get to it as I'm working on a couple other sets atm and I would like to see what the general response to the set is in the community.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 27 September 2015, 22:58:53
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/S908icI.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/S94qUML.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pux7C6t.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/90RxU3B.png)
I'm actually loving this new colour-way by this newb here, congrats 8) .
Truly an oldie set and as usual I'm a lover of anything that looks old especially anything connected to the SA Profile.
Stick to these images alone and I can see heaps of people piling in to buy this on MassDrop.
Post by: admgc on Mon, 28 September 2015, 00:11:58
I'd like to see some custom legends to bring the set up a notch in design if you can generate some good interest. I can help with those but it will be awhile ... and I would like to see what the general response to the set is in the community.
I'd love to do some custom legends as well if enough of the community gets behind the design. Thanks for your offer to possibly help out with that later. Are you /u/thinman over on /r/keycapdesigners/ ...aka the guy who did the Danger Zone MD photoshop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/danger-zone-sa-keycap-set) composites? Those things look incredible.
Post by: admgc on Mon, 28 September 2015, 00:19:27
I'm actually loving this new colour-way by this newb here, congrats ... Stick to these images alone and I can see heaps of people piling in to buy this on MassDrop.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.
Massdrop would be very cool. I suspect it's more of a "they'll contact you" type situation? I know designers will start a vote/poll over there once they expect to get 200+ votes, but I don't know how the process works after that point, honestly.
Post by: Data on Mon, 28 September 2015, 10:51:19
Have you thought about trying a very dark green base color with very light green legends?
SP's darkest green is probably VV, which isn't particularly dark. But GMK does have some nice darker greens (N3 especially)... :)
I like your renders. :thumb:
Post by: harlw on Mon, 28 September 2015, 13:19:09
I'd like to see some custom legends to bring the set up a notch in design if you can generate some good interest. I can help with those but it will be awhile ... and I would like to see what the general response to the set is in the community.
I'd love to do some custom legends as well if enough of the community gets behind the design. Thanks for your offer to possibly help out with that later. Are you /u/thinman over on /r/keycapdesigners/ ...aka the guy who did the Danger Zone MD photoshop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/danger-zone-sa-keycap-set) composites? Those things look incredible.
That's me - thanks for the fine compliment.
Post by: harlw on Mon, 28 September 2015, 13:30:12
I'm actually loving this new colour-way by this newb here, congrats ... Stick to these images alone and I can see heaps of people piling in to buy this on MassDrop.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.
Massdrop would be very cool. I suspect it's more of a "they'll contact you" type situation? I know designers will start a vote/poll over there once they expect to get 200+ votes, but I don't know how the process works after that point, honestly.
There are a number of factors that determine sets that actually get run at Massdrop but the main concern for them is community interest as they need a certain number of participants to make their model viable. I am a fan of theirs, some are not. They go out of their way to make things happen and to respond to the community. I've been working with them closely on the Danger Zone set and have been very impressed.
It starts with an interest check over there I believe, and we can help you along with the rest of the process. Data, for example, created Danger Zone so he obviously knows wuts up.
It's more work than you think so be aware of that and be sure you have the time to commit.
Also - you may or may not be aware that getting a set made at Signature Plastics (SA profile) will be scheduled well into next year. Carbon Dec. > Danger Zone Feb. > at least one or two other sets that are potentially days away from launching their group buys > Green Screen (assuming there's enough interest).
Post by: harlw on Mon, 28 September 2015, 14:09:37
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/2r2X3C0a3d2D0F123308/Screen%20Shot%202015-09-28%20at%20Sep%2028%20%7C%202.07.41%20PM.png)
Post by: harlw on Mon, 28 September 2015, 14:11:11
This is a cool idea. The colors you chose don't really reflect that "green screen" feel, at least for me. They're more reminiscent of the Nuclear Data and Green Tea sets.
Have you thought about trying a very dark green base color with very light green legends?
SP's darkest green is probably VV, which isn't particularly dark. But GMK does have some nice darker greens (N3 especially)... :)
I like your renders. :thumb:
Does GMK have alternative font options? This set could do with a more technical looking font.
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 28 September 2015, 14:12:58
Post by: Data on Mon, 28 September 2015, 15:00:23
That's a good question. I have no idea! :PThis is a cool idea. The colors you chose don't really reflect that "green screen" feel, at least for me. They're more reminiscent of the Nuclear Data and Green Tea sets.
Have you thought about trying a very dark green base color with very light green legends?
SP's darkest green is probably VV, which isn't particularly dark. But GMK does have some nice darker greens (N3 especially)... :)
I like your renders. :thumb:
Does GMK have alternative font options? This set could do with a more technical looking font.
They might only have the standard "Cherry" legends. I don't think I've ever seen another font on a GMK set.
Post by: admgc on Mon, 28 September 2015, 17:19:43
Combining Data and I's suggestions, there some good ABS grays and beige colors that could pull off the look quite well I think.
That does look really good. I'll make some new mockups using this colorway to explore it.
Post by: admgc on Mon, 28 September 2015, 17:26:31
The colors you chose don't really reflect that "green screen" feel, at least for me. They're more reminiscent of the Nuclear Data and Green Tea sets.
Thanks for the feedback, the "colorway doesn't reflect the inspiration" comments seem to be a consistent theme in the feedback I'm getting, so I'm going to take it to heart and explore the colorway you and harlw suggested.
I actually started with some orange in the colorway until I realized that it was way too similar to Nuclear Data, yeah.
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 28 September 2015, 17:29:58
Combining Data and I's suggestions, there some good ABS grays and beige colors that could pull off the look quite well I think.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/2r2X3C0a3d2D0F123308/Screen%20Shot%202015-09-28%20at%20Sep%2028%20%7C%202.07.41%20PM.png)
I like this a lot.
Post by: admgc on Mon, 28 September 2015, 17:31:33
... I think you should change the name if you keep it.
I almost called it "Phosphor" or "Phos4"...
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 28 September 2015, 19:45:39
This is a cool idea. The colors you chose don't really reflect that "green screen" feel, at least for me. They're more reminiscent of the Nuclear Data and Green Tea sets.
Have you thought about trying a very dark green base color with very light green legends?
No they are not anything like those shades of Green used previously by Nuclear Data or Green Tea sets >:( .
His choice is ideal, but if you start darkening the green then it WILL look like Nuclears for sure. His choice of the right amount of greens coupled with the appropriate warm grey shade for the Fs and side of keyboard caps will make this set unique plus it'll be all in SA profile, which the Green Teas weren't.
Stick with your original colour shades because they look like a straight throw back to the 1980's, which I still clearly remember compared to those here who were never born during that time period and have no idea what it was like or what colours where available.
Post by: Data on Mon, 28 September 2015, 21:06:27
Post by: njbair on Mon, 28 September 2015, 21:16:25
+1Combining Data and I's suggestions, there some good ABS grays and beige colors that could pull off the look quite well I think.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/2r2X3C0a3d2D0F123308/Screen%20Shot%202015-09-28%20at%20Sep%2028%20%7C%202.07.41%20PM.png)
I like this a lot.
Post by: tynorton on Mon, 28 September 2015, 23:44:29
+1Combining Data and I's suggestions, there some good ABS grays and beige colors that could pull off the look quite well I think.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/2r2X3C0a3d2D0F123308/Screen%20Shot%202015-09-28%20at%20Sep%2028%20%7C%202.07.41%20PM.png)
I like this a lot.
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 29 September 2015, 01:51:30
Combining Data and I's suggestions, there some good ABS grays and beige colors that could pull off the look quite well I think.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/2r2X3C0a3d2D0F123308/Screen%20Shot%202015-09-28%20at%20Sep%2028%20%7C%202.07.41%20PM.png)
I like this a lot.
+1 to this, too.
It's a pity VV is the darkest ABS shade SP has, would be awesome to have something a bit closer to the background colour on the original Apple II keyboard:
(http://www.hp9845.net/9845/history/comparison/images/closeups/apple2-top-view.jpg)
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 29 September 2015, 02:00:57
Combining Data and I's suggestions, there some good ABS grays and beige colors that could pull off the look quite well I think.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/2r2X3C0a3d2D0F123308/Screen%20Shot%202015-09-28%20at%20Sep%2028%20%7C%202.07.41%20PM.png)
+1 on this. Really cool color scheme.
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 29 September 2015, 02:08:38
Combining Data and I's suggestions, there some good ABS grays and beige colors that could pull off the look quite well I think.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/2r2X3C0a3d2D0F123308/Screen%20Shot%202015-09-28%20at%20Sep%2028%20%7C%202.07.41%20PM.png)
I think VAT legends on GSM are pretty close to those alphas. Not sure which beige will match best, though.... Maybe TM with GSM legend?
Post by: just66in on Tue, 29 September 2015, 07:20:25
Post by: admgc on Tue, 29 September 2015, 18:09:04
(http://i.imgur.com/LCsqjTi.png)
Post by: Data on Tue, 29 September 2015, 18:17:15
For the green I'd probably suggest whatever has the highest contrast. VAT seems to work well, at least on this screen.
Post by: admgc on Tue, 29 September 2015, 18:44:20
Do you have a color ring? I could take a few photos of different color combinations of you think it would help.
I don't have a SP color ring; I've just been going off of the Desk Authority's Signature Plastics ABS Color Table (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Signature_Plastics_ABS_colours) page, so yeah, some photos would be cool. Thanks.
Post by: admgc on Tue, 29 September 2015, 19:17:41
Post by: Data on Tue, 29 September 2015, 20:29:53
The DT wiki is a great starting point. I'll see if I can throw some photos together for you.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 29 September 2015, 20:47:19
Post by: njbair on Tue, 29 September 2015, 20:47:44
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 September 2015, 00:13:04
Version 1.1 (Posted 2015-09-27)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/S908icI.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/S94qUML.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pux7C6t.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/90RxU3B.png)
Sorry but the OP's original Version - 1.1 still rocks my boat :thumb: .
For this colour-way, would be willing to hand over $750+ AUD to own, any day of the week.
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 30 September 2015, 00:34:20
Version 1.2 looks wonderful. I've never seen a colorway like this before.
The Alphas look like Toxic, but it is an interesting combo.
Post by: admgc on Wed, 30 September 2015, 00:40:39
(http://i.imgur.com/VzXOp7y.png)
Post by: U47 on Wed, 30 September 2015, 00:54:20
Post by: derezzed on Wed, 30 September 2015, 01:01:49
I made a mock-up of version 1.2 with amber alphas to see how the set would look with another classic monochrome color, but I prefer the green. It might cost too much to make a double shot mold for it but I thought the command prompt would make a good novelty key, so I made a mock-up of a 1.25u key to replace the OS key. That power button would be a nice novelty too.
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Post by: admgc on Wed, 30 September 2015, 01:07:06
You had me at green-on-charcoal caps.
Ha! Very similar colors. Do you own those?
Post by: admgc on Wed, 30 September 2015, 01:16:05
...command prompt would make a good novelty key, so I made a mock-up of a 1.25u key to replace the OS key.
Thanks for the feedback and the mockup. I think it would be cool to have command prompt variants for each of MS DOS, Apple DOS and UNIX as they appeared in the 80s. Could get pricey though, you're right.
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 30 September 2015, 02:38:22
rm -rf
format c:
Something IBM mainframe focused from z/OS (or MVS back in those days) would be very appropriate; you can't talk green screens without talking about IBM mainframes.
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 30 September 2015, 02:44:11
...command prompt would make a good novelty key, so I made a mock-up of a 1.25u key to replace the OS key.
Thanks for the feedback and the mockup. I think it would be cool to have command prompt variants for each of MS DOS, Apple DOS and UNIX as they appeared in the 80s. Could get pricey though, you're right.
It costs $50 per design to cut the legend, so as long as you get enough orders it won't affect the price too much. At 100 orders it's only a 50 cents increase per set per design. Depending how you plan the kits you can choose to distribute the cost in a way that makes sense to you.
Post by: just66in on Wed, 30 September 2015, 06:41:29
Post by: njbair on Wed, 30 September 2015, 06:59:58
Post by: ideus on Wed, 30 September 2015, 07:13:12
You had me at green-on-charcoal caps.
+1
Post by: ideus on Wed, 30 September 2015, 07:14:54
I'm not a fan of the DSA profile but I think this would look awesome on either SA or DSA.
I made a mock-up of version 1.2 with amber alphas to see how the set would look with another classic monochrome color, but I prefer the green. It might cost too much to make a double shot mold for it but I thought the command prompt would make a good novelty key, so I made a mock-up of a 1.25u key to replace the OS key. That power button would be a nice novelty too.
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+1 I'd be in for a DSA set. SA is just too tall for small footprint layouts like 60s. I know they may look well, but the feeling is not what I like to use daily for typing.
Post by: U47 on Wed, 30 September 2015, 10:19:15
You had me at green-on-charcoal caps.
Ha! Very similar colors. Do you own those?
I do. They're pulled off a NeXT board with Alps switches. My fave.
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 30 September 2015, 11:47:03
For the command prompt, I think a generic >_ would be good enough.
>_ would be an odd prompt.
For most UNIX, root's shell prompt is simply #. Users typically got $. At least in UNIX, > usually was an indicator that you missed a quote or such in your command string and the OS is assuming you're going to complete it on another line.
For DOS, most typically set it up as C:\
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 30 September 2015, 11:55:55
One think to keep in mind is that Signature Plastics SA production is already backed up to February 2016 (source: Danger Zone GB ETA). So, if anything, take your time with the IC phase :)
Post by: Data on Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:24:46
For the command prompt, I think a generic >_ would be good enough.
>_ would be an odd prompt.
For most UNIX, root's shell prompt is simply #. Users typically got $. At least in UNIX, > usually was an indicator that you missed a quote or such in your command string and the OS is assuming you're going to complete it on another line.
For DOS, most typically set it up as C:\
It actually looks like C:\>_ in Windows/DOS. So >_ does sort of make sense in that regard. We've been over this once before, actually...
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.0
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 30 September 2015, 15:11:40
For the command prompt, I think a generic >_ would be good enough.
>_ would be an odd prompt.
For most UNIX, root's shell prompt is simply #. Users typically got $. At least in UNIX, > usually was an indicator that you missed a quote or such in your command string and the OS is assuming you're going to complete it on another line.
For DOS, most typically set it up as C:\
It actually looks like C:\>_ in Windows/DOS. So >_ does sort of make sense in that regard. We've been over this once before, actually...
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.0
Ahh, I'd forgotten about the > in there as I spend very little time in a Windows/DOS prompt. Almost all of my CLI time is in the UNIX/Linux world where # and $ are common. So the _ would simply represent the text cursor, then and be included?
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 30 September 2015, 15:21:11
For the command prompt, I think a generic >_ would be good enough.
>_ would be an odd prompt.
For most UNIX, root's shell prompt is simply #. Users typically got $. At least in UNIX, > usually was an indicator that you missed a quote or such in your command string and the OS is assuming you're going to complete it on another line.
For DOS, most typically set it up as C:\
It actually looks like C:\>_ in Windows/DOS. So >_ does sort of make sense in that regard. We've been over this once before, actually...
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.0
And this was the result: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.msg1594195#msg1594195
Here's an idea for a 1.25x novelty. Beige base, dark grey screen area with curved corners covering about the max area you can on the cap (leaving 0.06" border as the screen surround) with a pad printed green cursor. Something like this:
[attachimg=1]
Bah, humbug! I suck working in 2D, 3D is my thing:
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Post by: harlw on Wed, 30 September 2015, 15:34:02
For the command prompt, I think a generic >_ would be good enough.
>_ would be an odd prompt.
For most UNIX, root's shell prompt is simply #. Users typically got $. At least in UNIX, > usually was an indicator that you missed a quote or such in your command string and the OS is assuming you're going to complete it on another line.
For DOS, most typically set it up as C:\
It actually looks like C:\>_ in Windows/DOS. So >_ does sort of make sense in that regard. We've been over this once before, actually...
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.0)
And this was the result: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.msg1594195#msg1594195 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.msg1594195#msg1594195)
Here's an idea for a 1.25x novelty. Beige base, dark grey screen area with curved corners covering about the max area you can on the cap (leaving 0.06" border as the screen surround) with a pad printed green cursor. Something like this:
(Attachment Link)
Bah, humbug! I suck working in 2D, 3D is my thing:
(Attachment Link)
That's hawt if it's possible.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 30 September 2015, 16:02:01
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 September 2015, 19:05:52
You could pad print that but you can't doubleshot three colors.
This is Geekhack central WE only accept in putting down money, for Double-shot and Dye Sublimation 8) .
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 30 September 2015, 20:15:22
For the command prompt, I think a generic >_ would be good enough.
>_ would be an odd prompt.
For most UNIX, root's shell prompt is simply #. Users typically got $. At least in UNIX, > usually was an indicator that you missed a quote or such in your command string and the OS is assuming you're going to complete it on another line.
For DOS, most typically set it up as C:\
It actually looks like C:\>_ in Windows/DOS. So >_ does sort of make sense in that regard. We've been over this once before, actually...
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.0
And this was the result: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.msg1594195#msg1594195
Here's an idea for a 1.25x novelty. Beige base, dark grey screen area with curved corners covering about the max area you can on the cap (leaving 0.06" border as the screen surround) with a pad printed green cursor. Something like this:
(Attachment Link)
Bah, humbug! I suck working in 2D, 3D is my thing:
(Attachment Link)
Nice!
Post by: njbair on Wed, 30 September 2015, 20:19:41
For the command prompt, I think a generic >_ would be good enough.
>_ would be an odd prompt.
For most UNIX, root's shell prompt is simply #. Users typically got $. At least in UNIX, > usually was an indicator that you missed a quote or such in your command string and the OS is assuming you're going to complete it on another line.
For DOS, most typically set it up as C:\
It's not that odd (https://www.google.com/search?q=terminal+icon&safe=off&client=ms-android-att-us&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMIlYbeho2gyAIV1hOSCh2AlQQZ&biw=360&bih=511).
Post by: neverused on Wed, 30 September 2015, 22:59:50
Combining Data and I's suggestions, there some good ABS grays and beige colors that could pull off the look quite well I think.This. The OP looks nothing like the green on black/dark green phosphorescent screens that inspired it.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/2r2X3C0a3d2D0F123308/Screen%20Shot%202015-09-28%20at%20Sep%2028%20%7C%202.07.41%20PM.png)
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 30 September 2015, 23:32:28
For the command prompt, I think a generic >_ would be good enough.
>_ would be an odd prompt.
For most UNIX, root's shell prompt is simply #. Users typically got $. At least in UNIX, > usually was an indicator that you missed a quote or such in your command string and the OS is assuming you're going to complete it on another line.
For DOS, most typically set it up as C:\
It's not that odd (https://www.google.com/search?q=terminal+icon&safe=off&client=ms-android-att-us&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMIlYbeho2gyAIV1hOSCh2AlQQZ&biw=360&bih=511).
It's kind of funny that it's more the icon of the prompt than anything. DOS would typically have more to it and UNIX would typically have # or $ but, hey, if it's the go-to for prompts, who am I to argue?
Post by: crovax3000 on Wed, 30 September 2015, 23:56:24
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 01 October 2015, 00:39:25
You could pad print that but you can't doubleshot three colors.
Yup, that's why I said you doubleshot the GQM area and pad print the green on top of it. That way you don't have pad print covering the whole top and it's probably going to be a mod key, so it won't see as much wear as an alpha key, so pad print of just the green should allow it to last a long time and it shouldn't affect the feel much when typing.
I don't have my row 4 models ready yet, so it's a Row 3 1.25x.
The PETSCII set in Retro SA has doubleshot legends and front pad print, so the precedent is there that it can be done.
Perhaps the edges of the "screen" could be a bit more rounded. I'll maybe do another mockup when I get home today.
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 01 October 2015, 00:51:43
For the command prompt, I think a generic >_ would be good enough.
>_ would be an odd prompt.
For most UNIX, root's shell prompt is simply #. Users typically got $. At least in UNIX, > usually was an indicator that you missed a quote or such in your command string and the OS is assuming you're going to complete it on another line.
For DOS, most typically set it up as C:\
It's not that odd (https://www.google.com/search?q=terminal+icon&safe=off&client=ms-android-att-us&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMIlYbeho2gyAIV1hOSCh2AlQQZ&biw=360&bih=511).
It's kind of funny that it's more the icon of the prompt than anything. DOS would typically have more to it and UNIX would typically have # or $ but, hey, if it's the go-to for prompts, who am I to argue?
If you want to keep it true to the inspiration machine, then it should actually be a square bracket with flashing block cursor like the picture in the OP:
(http://i.imgur.com/ayytJr4.png)
But the ">_" prompt is quite universally recognised as a generic terminal prompt.
Post by: admgc on Thu, 01 October 2015, 06:14:44
It costs $50 per design to cut the legend, so as long as you get enough orders it won't affect the price too much.
Cool, good to know. For those who have designed a custom legend: do you provide SP with a SVG file, or do you need to give them something better suited for a CNC machine?
Post by: njbair on Thu, 01 October 2015, 06:30:28
SVG is fine.It costs $50 per design to cut the legend, so as long as you get enough orders it won't affect the price too much.
Cool, good to know. For those who have designed a custom legend: do you provide SP with a SVG file, or do you need to give them something better suited for a CNC machine?
There is a cut size limit of 0.02" though, so any fine detail smaller than that won't work.
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 01 October 2015, 06:50:25
SVG is fine.It costs $50 per design to cut the legend, so as long as you get enough orders it won't affect the price too much.
Cool, good to know. For those who have designed a custom legend: do you provide SP with a SVG file, or do you need to give them something better suited for a CNC machine?
There is a cut size limit of 0.02" though, so any fine detail smaller than that won't work.
It's 0.012". Outer edges must be rounded to a minimum 0.006" radius (0.012" diameter) because the smallest cutter they use is 0.012" diameter. Inner corners can be "sharp". Look at the letter "A" on an SA set for an example of this (it was done with a larger cutter so it's easy to see the rounded outer vs sharp inner corners). Sending SVG files is fine, but you need to specify the actual dimensions of the drawing / design and positioning relative to the centre of the cap legend area. They use Illustrator CS4 to prepare the designs (before generating the toolpath) and if you work in Inkscape there will probably be some scaling issues. I am busy writing a specifications document for this (which I hope will end up on the Deskthority Wiki once approved by SP) which clarifies all the requirements and specifications for legends, but it's still going to take some processing.
They quote a minimum 0.020" distance between parts of a design (and for "islands"), but that's largely to do with plastic flow, not tool limitations.
Post by: Data on Thu, 01 October 2015, 09:54:50
For the command prompt, I think a generic >_ would be good enough.
>_ would be an odd prompt.
For most UNIX, root's shell prompt is simply #. Users typically got $. At least in UNIX, > usually was an indicator that you missed a quote or such in your command string and the OS is assuming you're going to complete it on another line.
For DOS, most typically set it up as C:\
It actually looks like C:\>_ in Windows/DOS. So >_ does sort of make sense in that regard. We've been over this once before, actually...
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.0
And this was the result: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.msg1594195#msg1594195
Here's an idea for a 1.25x novelty. Beige base, dark grey screen area with curved corners covering about the max area you can on the cap (leaving 0.06" border as the screen surround) with a pad printed green cursor. Something like this:
(Attachment Link)
Bah, humbug! I suck working in 2D, 3D is my thing:
(Attachment Link)
Could this be done as an "inverted" doubleshot?
I'm not sure if I can explain it in text. The entire "dark" area is the "legend" for that key (one big fat legend!) and the "prompt" shapes are just the same part as the outside base color of the cap -- just like in-fill for any typical text legend. I'm almost certain that SP molds the legend part first (1st shot) then injects the cap base around it in the 2nd shot. So doing it as one big 2-color process should still be possible. You won't get a nice, bright green "prompt" that way, but you'll still get a very unique key cap out of it.
I don't know if any of that made sense. :confused:
OR!!!
What if you did these as a double-shot dye-sub?
Base color: beige
Double-shot legend: green (prompt shapes)
Dye-sub: dark grey (screen shape) (final step)
:eek:
Post by: njbair on Thu, 01 October 2015, 10:31:45
Interesting idea, but AFAIK you can't get SA dye subbed.For the command prompt, I think a generic >_ would be good enough.
>_ would be an odd prompt.
For most UNIX, root's shell prompt is simply #. Users typically got $. At least in UNIX, > usually was an indicator that you missed a quote or such in your command string and the OS is assuming you're going to complete it on another line.
For DOS, most typically set it up as C:\
It actually looks like C:\>_ in Windows/DOS. So >_ does sort of make sense in that regard. We've been over this once before, actually...
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.0
And this was the result: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67638.msg1594195#msg1594195
Here's an idea for a 1.25x novelty. Beige base, dark grey screen area with curved corners covering about the max area you can on the cap (leaving 0.06" border as the screen surround) with a pad printed green cursor. Something like this:
(Attachment Link)
Bah, humbug! I suck working in 2D, 3D is my thing:
(Attachment Link)
Could this be done as an "inverted" doubleshot?
I'm not sure if I can explain it in text. The entire "dark" area is the "legend" for that key (one big fat legend!) and the "prompt" shapes are just the same part as the outside base color of the cap -- just like in-fill for any typical text legend. I'm almost certain that SP molds the legend part first (1st shot) then injects the cap base around it in the 2nd shot. So doing it as one big 2-color process should still be possible. You won't get a nice, bright green "prompt" that way, but you'll still get a very unique key cap out of it.
I don't know if any of that made sense. :confused:
OR!!!
What if you did these as a double-shot dye-sub?
Base color: beige
Double-shot legend: green (prompt shapes)
Dye-sub: dark grey (screen shape) (final step)
:eek:
Post by: spectre on Thu, 01 October 2015, 11:01:11
I'm not a fan of the DSA profile but I think this would look awesome on either SA or DSA.I'm sold on this abmer option ;D
I made a mock-up of version 1.2 with amber alphas to see how the set would look with another classic monochrome color, but I prefer the green. It might cost too much to make a double shot mold for it but I thought the command prompt would make a good novelty key, so I made a mock-up of a 1.25u key to replace the OS key. That power button would be a nice novelty too.
(Attachment Link)
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 01 October 2015, 11:06:11
I still prefer doubleshot with just the cursor pad printed on in green.
Post by: chilldude_22 on Thu, 01 October 2015, 11:08:01
The option for Amber Screen would be really cool, too. I also think this set lends itself to some very creative novelty options.
IMO, it would work better as an SA set since those really give the 60s/70s vibe.
Post by: Data on Thu, 01 October 2015, 12:28:14
Post by: Data on Thu, 01 October 2015, 12:51:09
The doubleshot with cursor in base colour will work, but njbair is right about the other one: You can't dyesub ABS, SA doesn't doubleshot PBT and they won't make PBT SA profile caps for GBs...
I still prefer doubleshot with just the cursor pad printed on in green.
I didn't realize dye-sub ABS was impossible, but I see why. Oh well.
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 01 October 2015, 17:55:28
For the command prompt, I think a generic >_ would be good enough.
>_ would be an odd prompt.
For most UNIX, root's shell prompt is simply #. Users typically got $. At least in UNIX, > usually was an indicator that you missed a quote or such in your command string and the OS is assuming you're going to complete it on another line.
For DOS, most typically set it up as C:\
It's not that odd (https://www.google.com/search?q=terminal+icon&safe=off&client=ms-android-att-us&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMIlYbeho2gyAIV1hOSCh2AlQQZ&biw=360&bih=511).
It's kind of funny that it's more the icon of the prompt than anything. DOS would typically have more to it and UNIX would typically have # or $ but, hey, if it's the go-to for prompts, who am I to argue?
If you want to keep it true to the inspiration machine, then it should actually be a square bracket with flashing block cursor like the picture in the OP:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ayytJr4.png)
But the ">_" prompt is quite universally recognised as a generic terminal prompt.
Honestly, I think we could have fun with that a bit for novelties, doing different ones where the old amber/green text dumb terminals were around.
For UNIX, the # would probably make sense.
IBM mainframes would likely get the READY prompt from TSO.
>_ could be the generic one.
Others might be VMS (huge back in the day) or possibly something like RSX-11 since the old PDP-11 was pretty ubiquitous in schools and various businesses for a while. Though perhaps I'm geeking out on the server side of things a bit more but, honestly, when I think of green screens, it's automatically thinking of servers rather than the old computers for some reason. Then again, I am a server guy so there's probably some bias there.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 01 October 2015, 17:57:42
Post by: Data on Thu, 01 October 2015, 18:21:30
Someone just needs to make a tiny, SA cap-shaped, programmable LCD screen. Then it can show whatever prompt you want.Well, there are SA relegendables, so there's your framework. LCD Pixel density is really good these days, but finding a panel small enough would be a problem, as would routing power and data cables through the switch housing in a way that doesn't interfere with switch operation. Still, I'd like to think such a thing is possible. I bet there are vendors on Alibaba who would gladly sell you 10,000 units right now. :D
Post by: admgc on Fri, 02 October 2015, 01:13:07
Someone just needs to make a tiny, SA cap-shaped, programmable LCD screen. Then it can show whatever prompt you want.
Yes, please.
Post by: admgc on Fri, 02 October 2015, 01:33:02
(http://i.imgur.com/KQUtxEC.png)
Post by: admgc on Fri, 02 October 2015, 01:37:44
Here's an idea for a 1.25x novelty. Beige base, dark grey screen area with curved corners covering about the max area you can on the cap (leaving 0.06" border as the screen surround) with a pad printed green cursor. Something like this:
Love this idea.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 07:40:21
Need to check my tolerances still on this, hopefully I can get it in spec.Nice! This is a great idea.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/a6UUYK4.png)
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 02 October 2015, 07:44:12
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 03 October 2015, 06:05:19
"Why is the save icon on this button?"
Because now it has regressed into a Windows installation :'( .
Post by: admgc on Wed, 07 October 2015, 01:56:17
"Why is the save icon on this button?"
I think if you press it, it saves all the things onto your computer. Or something. Maybe it's magic...
Post by: admgc on Wed, 07 October 2015, 02:14:36
Post by: admgc on Wed, 07 October 2015, 02:20:42
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 07 October 2015, 02:51:41
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 07 October 2015, 03:42:05
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 07 October 2015, 04:59:43
So you're thinking dye-subbed terminal caps? Looks good. I prefer the second one, since that's the only one I've ever actually seen on a terminal. (SH standard prompt)
No dyesubbing. Pad print on doubleshot.
I like all three novelty candidates and would swap the terminal cap depending on whether I'm working on my Windows machine or Mac :) .... now I wonder if I can make a converter so I can use my 60% board on my Apple IIC? Hmm... new project time!
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 07 October 2015, 09:46:38
Post by: harlw on Wed, 07 October 2015, 09:59:45
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 07 October 2015, 14:42:19
Enjoying the process so far - Terminal B is my novelty vote. I like the idea of the floppy, would you mind if I mocked one up, not a fan of the one you have now personally?
^^^^ Take him up on this offer. I like the original, but I'd love to see what he comes up with :)
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 07 October 2015, 17:45:21
New version, would buy.
Post by: shrubkeys on Wed, 07 October 2015, 18:59:17
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 07 October 2015, 20:28:38
Version 1, would not buy.
New version, would buy.
Version 1.1 - would buy lots of :thumb: .
New Version 1.2 would puke my guts out after looking at it for more than two seconds. The darkened keys really throw off the original design into bland windows territory, and as you know I'm no fan of Redmond's Sh1te.
Either stick to the original design or don't bother even trying to release another Windows Loving piece of garbage. Too much of that is currently available everywhere.
Post by: shrubkeys on Wed, 07 October 2015, 21:09:56
Version 1, would not buy.
New version, would buy.
Version 1.1 - would buy lots of :thumb: .
New Version 1.2 would puke my guts out after looking at it for more than two seconds. The darkened keys really throw off the original design into bland windows territory, and as you know I'm no fan of Redmond's Sh1te.
Either stick to the original design or don't bother even trying to release another Windows Loving piece of garbage. Too much of that is currently available everywhere.
Weird diatribe aside, you realize that every reference pic so far has been of an Apple, not PC, right...?
Post by: Sed8op8 on Wed, 07 October 2015, 21:30:23
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 08 October 2015, 00:52:11
V1.2 has a lot of potential. Novelty/mod ideas: one mainstay of Apple ][ keyboards were the "open-apple"/"closed-apple" keys (to the right and left of spacebar in this pic (http://tanrunomad.com/wp-content/uploads/1iic.JPG)). Open-apple stuck around as an alternate icon on Macs' command key, but I'd definitely be down with the icons all on their own.
ooh, ooh, ooh... this^^^^
Open and closed Apple Alt / Command keys would be awesome, but unfortunately I'm pretty sure they're covered by Apple's trademarks as they're variations of the actual logo.
Perhaps open and closed circles? Or rounded squares (squircles)?
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 08 October 2015, 02:38:23
V1.2 has a lot of potential. Novelty/mod ideas: one mainstay of Apple ][ keyboards were the "open-apple"/"closed-apple" keys (to the right and left of spacebar in this pic (http://tanrunomad.com/wp-content/uploads/1iic.JPG)). Open-apple stuck around as an alternate icon on Macs' command key, but I'd definitely be down with the icons all on their own.
ooh, ooh, ooh... this^^^^
Open and closed Apple Alt / Command keys would be awesome, but unfortunately I'm pretty sure they're covered by Apple's trademarks as they're variations of the actual logo.
Perhaps open and closed circles? Or rounded squares (squircles)?
How about not using any Apple Copyrighted Logos at all.......
Do not want to see another OS represented here because Apple Corp would rip you a new hole, if you decide to make SP reproduce it here and now. Think about the poor people who would make this and what it means to their lively hood and families, when they come into focus by one of the most legally vicious corporations in the world.
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 08 October 2015, 02:49:25
Post by: admgc on Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:06:21
Enjoying the process so far - Terminal B is my novelty vote. I like the idea of the floppy, would you mind if I mocked one up, not a fan of the one you have now personally?
Yeah, go for it. Thinking of doing something more retro/pixelated maybe?
Post by: admgc on Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:12:17
How about not using any Apple Copyrighted Logos at all...
I agree that we should stay away from any potential trademark issues and should avoid using OS branding. SP would certainly refuse to produce them.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:21:12
you can't doubleshot three colors.
[attach=1]
Vintage keycaps >>> abyss >>> modern keycaps
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:50:02
you can't doubleshot three colors.
(Attachment Link)
Vintage keycaps >>> abyss >>> modern keycaps
Hey, he's right. You can't doubleshot three colors. That's called tripleshot.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:51:00
I knew I'd get lip from semantics nazi's.you can't doubleshot three colors.
(Attachment Link)
Vintage keycaps >>> abyss >>> modern keycaps
Hey, he's right. You can't doubleshot three colors. That's called tripleshot.
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 08 October 2015, 11:58:24
Yeah, dye-sub sounds a LOT cheaper.
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 08 October 2015, 13:20:19
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 08 October 2015, 14:00:43
I was checking last night and saw some machines that can do 4 shots.
There are actually some artisan caps with up to 6-shot molds.
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 08 October 2015, 14:03:27
I was checking last night and saw some machines that can do 4 shots.
There are actually some artisan caps with up to 6-shot molds.
Honestly, I believe it. Trying to find Youtube videos on more than 2-shot molding was tricky as half my search returns on "3 shot" returned 2-shot videos. Oh well. It makes sense as it increases automation and reduces production times.
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 08 October 2015, 14:06:20
I was checking last night and saw some machines that can do 4 shots.
There are actually some artisan caps with up to 6-shot molds.
Honestly, I believe it. Trying to find Youtube videos on more than 2-shot molding was tricky as half my search returns on "3 shot" returned 2-shot videos. Oh well. It makes sense as it increases automation and reduces production times.
Going to borrow Sifo's pic as reference, meanwhile that LZ-S :eek: :
[attach=1]
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 09 October 2015, 11:26:15
I was checking last night and saw some machines that can do 4 shots.
There are actually some artisan caps with up to 6-shot molds.
Honestly, I believe it. Trying to find Youtube videos on more than 2-shot molding was tricky as half my search returns on "3 shot" returned 2-shot videos. Oh well. It makes sense as it increases automation and reduces production times.
Going to borrow Sifo's pic as reference, meanwhile that LZ-S :eek: :
(Attachment Link)
Artisan's don't count bro. :P
That would have an insane price tag if it was a full board.
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 09 October 2015, 11:37:27
I was checking last night and saw some machines that can do 4 shots.
There are actually some artisan caps with up to 6-shot molds.
Honestly, I believe it. Trying to find Youtube videos on more than 2-shot molding was tricky as half my search returns on "3 shot" returned 2-shot videos. Oh well. It makes sense as it increases automation and reduces production times.
Going to borrow Sifo's pic as reference, meanwhile that LZ-S :eek: :
(Attachment Link)
Artisan's don't count bro. :P
That would have an insane price tag if it was a full board.
A full set of 6-shot molds would be ridiculous but I was just posting it to prove that it's even possible. I'm sure people could go even further with the right amount of time and money but there really isn't a point. I would be interested in a full set of triple-shot molds but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
I definitely prefer version 1.2 over version 1.1. I'd also be interested in stepped caps and a 1800 kit.
Post by: admgc on Fri, 09 October 2015, 16:07:26
I definitely prefer version 1.2 over version 1.1. I'd also be interested in stepped caps and a 1800 kit.
I'm not too familiar with the g80-1800 kit. Does the original post here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39731.0) cover all the concerns? I'm trying to put together a "Non-ANSI" Kit that will cover as many boards as possible.
Post by: admgc on Fri, 09 October 2015, 16:09:59
Enjoying the process so far - Terminal B is my novelty vote. I like the idea of the floppy, would you mind if I mocked one up, not a fan of the one you have now personally?
Yeah, go for it. Thinking of doing something more retro/pixelated maybe?
To be clear I should have said "I don't mind at all, go for it".
Post by: harlw on Sat, 10 October 2015, 17:13:45
My board is ready.
Post by: HesterDW on Sat, 10 October 2015, 22:26:07
Post by: tangkims on Sun, 11 October 2015, 01:58:59
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 11 October 2015, 09:30:14
Post by: ideus on Sun, 11 October 2015, 09:37:34
Post by: wakko on Sun, 11 October 2015, 12:18:11
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sun, 11 October 2015, 13:48:53
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 11 October 2015, 19:19:55
I definitely prefer version 1.2 over version 1.1. I'd also be interested in stepped caps and a 1800 kit.
I'm not too familiar with the g80-1800 kit. Does the original post here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39731.0) cover all the concerns? I'm trying to put together a "Non-ANSI" Kit that will cover as many boards as possible.
Yeah that covers it all, the geekhack key would be the "+" key though in the picture used as reference. Thanks :thumb:
Post by: Wuzadi on Sun, 11 October 2015, 19:45:58
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 11 October 2015, 21:41:23
The 1.2 design rocks, it is a very well balanced color combination with a nice retro syle; however, SA is not the profile for me, so I may not get into this.
Not choosing this set because you don't like the SA profile, what's wrong with you >:( ?
Even though this key-set looks to be going in an opposite direction to my own personal taste of colour-way, this is still a bad-arse key-set for the purists at heart.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 11 October 2015, 22:01:49
The 1.2 design rocks, it is a very well balanced color combination with a nice retro syle; however, SA is not the profile for me, so I may not get into this.
Not choosing this set because you don't like the SA profile, what's wrong with you >:( ?
Even though this key-set looks to be going in an opposite direction to my own personal taste of colour-way, this is still a bad-arse key-set for the purists at heart.
Hello my friend, I am enjoying by reading your prose as always, the Yuri's one was one of a hell nice one.
If only I could type on SA, even worst if it is a flat no profiled one. But yeah these sets are nice.
:thumb: 8) ^-^ :))
Post by: admgc on Mon, 12 October 2015, 08:02:31
Is it done yet? :D My board is ready.
Your board may be, but SP won't be for months :(
In the meantime I need to find/make a board with a gigantic beige case to put these caps on.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 12 October 2015, 08:05:10
Is it done yet? :D My board is ready.
Your board may be, but SP won't be for months :(
In the meantime I need to find/make a board with a gigantic beige case to put these caps on.
That huge case will give an aesthetic balance the size of the SAs on it.
Post by: admgc on Mon, 12 October 2015, 08:05:31
Post by: admgc on Mon, 12 October 2015, 08:06:42
That huge case will give an aesthetic balance the size of the SAs on it.
So true. :)
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 12 October 2015, 08:33:07
Post by: harlw on Mon, 12 October 2015, 10:09:12
I'd like to try to run this set through Massdrop, any advice about when and how to do an interest poll over there? Should I wait until all the kits are 100% finalized? Should I add an option to an existing keycap poll or start a new one? etc...
Hey man - I've been following this set closely and obviously I am very interested. Let me see if I can setup a meeting with the massdrop guys and see what they say about next steps. I'll message you with more details.
Post by: harlw on Mon, 12 October 2015, 11:00:17
I'm not a fan of the DSA profile but I think this would look awesome on either SA or DSA.
I made a mock-up of version 1.2 with amber alphas to see how the set would look with another classic monochrome color, but I prefer the green. It might cost too much to make a double shot mold for it but I thought the command prompt would make a good novelty key, so I made a mock-up of a 1.25u key to replace the OS key. That power button would be a nice novelty too.
(Attachment Link)
Wanted to bring this one back up - I'd be interested in the pricing on the alphas and the orange extras as an add-on set, I really like the spirit of the set with the orange plasma in there and I think it looks really sharp. I think it could tip in the group buy :D
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 12 October 2015, 13:42:15
I'd like to try to run this set through Massdrop, any advice about when and how to do an interest poll over there? Should I wait until all the kits are 100% finalized? Should I add an option to an existing keycap poll or start a new one? etc...
Email their support address with the form. I believe that's what was done with the Troubled Minds set. They seem to be able to point to IC threads here as some level of official status but you would need to confirm all the details with them. Having MD staff in on things will certainly help as other ICs seem to just sit around despite high vote counts. Would be nice if they could chime in on some of those with, "can't run this one at this time because X reason," so we know.
Post by: Data on Mon, 12 October 2015, 14:09:21
Post by: admgc on Mon, 12 October 2015, 20:36:08
I made a mock-up of version 1.2 with amber alphas to see how the set would look with another classic monochrome color...Wanted to bring this one back up - I'd be interested in the pricing on the alphas and the orange extras as an add-on set, I really like the spirit of the set with the orange plasma in there and I think it looks really sharp. I think it could tip in the group buy :D
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Updated original post with an "Amber Screen" Kit, per derezzed's idea. Thanks again, derezzed!
Post by: harlw on Mon, 12 October 2015, 21:34:12
I made a mock-up of version 1.2 with amber alphas to see how the set would look with another classic monochrome color...Wanted to bring this one back up - I'd be interested in the pricing on the alphas and the orange extras as an add-on set, I really like the spirit of the set with the orange plasma in there and I think it looks really sharp. I think it could tip in the group buy :D
(Attachment Link)
Updated original post with an "Amber Screen" Kit, per derezzed's idea. Thanks again, derezzed!
Awesome! Looks great. I'm tempted to try out a dark orange on lighter orange keys though :D
Post by: MohammedSmith on Wed, 14 October 2015, 08:54:30
Post by: jerue on Wed, 14 October 2015, 10:26:21
Post by: admgc on Wed, 14 October 2015, 22:30:07
I don't think I've expressed my interest yet...but 1.2 is looking great. Just needs a Tsangan kit so I can swap this back to my custom if needed.
Hey, thanks. Can you or others comment on the significance of the "star" keys and the "diamond" keys in Tsangan kits? I'm seeing some variation in previous Tsangan kits (see links) and I'm not sure what those two in particular are used for (particularly the diamond caps).
Geekhack - Second-chance Tsangan Kits (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35600.0)
Keypop - Coffee Tsangan Kit (http://www.keypop.net/product/coffee-set-tsangan-kit-winkeyless)
Post by: admgc on Thu, 15 October 2015, 02:12:10
Post by: TheSoundofTyping on Thu, 15 October 2015, 02:20:39
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 15 October 2015, 02:45:41
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 15 October 2015, 03:44:04
The stars and diamonds are supposed to be replacements for "Win" (also called "Super" or "OS") and "Menu" keys. Sometimes "Meta" is represented by a diamond, so I think that's the root, but I can't recall any real reason for the star. Super, Meta and Hyper are keys found on some older boards and systems and were modifiers similar in function to Win, Alt, AltGr and Ctrl on modern boards. A bit more info here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/19558/what-are-the-meta-super-and-hyper-keys
Post by: FuriousGeorge on Thu, 15 October 2015, 10:49:08
Any chance of adding a 1u r1 \| and a 1.5u r2 backspace for hhkb/infinity style layouts?
Post by: jerue on Thu, 15 October 2015, 20:03:55
Updated original post with a "Not ANSI" Kit. I'm an ANSI 104 user, so take a look and let me know if anything "seems off" or if the kit could benefit from a few extra caps.
Nice! This looks really good :)
If I'm wrong about the below, please feel free to chime in
Most korean customs don't include that 1u key in between CTRL and ALT (hence, they are win-key-less boards), but a Winkeyless brand board (like a b.87) usually has this key. Normally the key used is a 1u Windows key, but if it's not programmed to be that way, you could use the Star to designate something else (like FN or Meta). The diamond key would just be an image icon for Super (or Windows key)
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 15 October 2015, 20:12:12
Updated original post with a "Not ANSI" Kit. I'm an ANSI 104 user, so take a look and let me know if anything "seems off" or if the kit could benefit from a few extra caps.
Nice! This looks really good :)
If I'm wrong about the below, please feel free to chime in
Most korean customs don't include that 1u key in between CTRL and ALT (hence, they are win-key-less boards), but a Winkeyless brand board (like a b.87) usually has this key. Normally the key used is a 1u Windows key, but if it's not programmed to be that way, you could use the Star to designate something else (like FN or Meta). The diamond key would just be an image icon for Super (or Windows key)
The current fad right now is winkeyless due to aesthetics, anytime there is a group buy for a kustom there will most likely have a winkeyless and winkey option. I'm going winkeyless with my upcoming build, curious to see how much better I'll like it. I like how CTRL[ALT] made their 1u keys with "Code" with the current GMK Hyperfuse set.
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 16 October 2015, 06:48:50
Post by: diqkiq on Sat, 17 October 2015, 17:45:13
Post by: lavalamp on Sat, 17 October 2015, 18:48:24
Post by: reznaP on Sat, 17 October 2015, 20:32:04
Post by: jerue on Sat, 17 October 2015, 20:54:19
Both the version 1.2 green and amber colorways are awesome. Will there be an add on that includes a replacement for the Caps Lock key? An R3 Control key would be a UNIX friendly nicety but I'd settle for anything not Caps Lock, perhaps a "Green Screen" or "Amber Screen" novelty key.
There is the Back space key in the Alternate Layouts kit but I agree, definitely need both a control and a stepped CTRL key as well.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 18 October 2015, 15:06:03
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 18 October 2015, 16:27:59
Its also probably wise for all designers to start taking HHKB/660c boards into consideration as well with the MX Compatible sliders right around the corner. Could add them to the non-standard adapter kit.
I know this is totally off topic but do you know if there are SA spacebars in 6u that would fit the HHKB/Topre boards with the replacement sliders?
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 19 October 2015, 07:20:48
Its also probably wise for all designers to start taking HHKB/660c boards into consideration as well with the MX Compatible sliders right around the corner. Could add them to the non-standard adapter kit.
I know this is totally off topic but do you know if there are SA spacebars in 6u that would fit the HHKB/Topre boards with the replacement sliders?
DCS has a 6x size spacebar possible, but I don't know about the stem positions. For the other profiles:
If I had a HHKB with MX sliders, I'd probably use a standard 6.25x spacebar and 1.25x caps on the mods next to it. Leaves small gaps to the 1x keys, but should fit at least. If you grind the case you can fit 1.25x caps on the outside caps, too. No gaps and standard caps will fit.
The FC660C can be done with 1x, 1.5x, 1x, 6.25x, 1x, 1.5x, 1x. Leaves a small gap on the outside ends of the row, but no gaps between caps.
Realforce can use: 1.25x, 1.25x, 1.25x, 6.25x, 1.25x, 1x, 1x, 1.5x. Leaves a gap at the left end and between the right hand 1.25x and 1x.. Could use 1.5x, 1x, 1.25 on the left side to make the gaps consistent instead if you prefer.
So all three boards can be "supported" with standard base and Winkeyless kits, assuming the stems are in the right places. Only other options are:
1. get SP to make a 6x spacebar for the other profiles.
2. use stock spacebar on stock slider.
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 19 October 2015, 07:51:30
(http://mirrors.apple2.org.za/Apple%20II%20Documentation%20Project/Computers/Apple%20II/Apple%20IIe/Photos/Apple%20IIe%20-%20Keyboard.jpg)
Post by: Vellicle on Tue, 20 October 2015, 06:48:43
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 20 October 2015, 07:00:44
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 20 October 2015, 08:15:56
Post by: tangkims on Tue, 20 October 2015, 09:46:08
Post by: derezzed on Thu, 22 October 2015, 20:38:48
Updated original post with an "Amber Screen" Kit, per derezzed's idea. Thanks again, derezzed!
I did nothing more than a simple color swap on your already excellent design. But, if I can make another suggestion, the legend on the floppy key should be 1:1 scale.
I like the GNU reference in the DNA kit :)
Recursion makes DNA tied with Danger Zone for the best name for a keycap set.
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 23 October 2015, 02:16:19
... the legend on the floppy key should be 1:1 scale.
...
I don't think SP has molds for 51/4" caps... :p
Post by: Jhonan on Sat, 24 October 2015, 16:12:22
Post by: njbair on Sat, 24 October 2015, 16:29:45
I like the GNU reference in the DNA kit :)
Recursion makes DNA tied with Danger Zone for the best name for a keycap set.
Danger Zone also had awesome child pack names.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 24 October 2015, 19:22:06
Those renders look pretty awesome, now the decision of green or amber....
Why choose? I'm down for both colors.
Post by: Jhonan on Sat, 24 October 2015, 19:43:37
because I'm a monster...
Post by: njbair on Sat, 24 October 2015, 19:50:55
Post by: profet on Sat, 24 October 2015, 20:05:17
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sun, 25 October 2015, 00:41:40
I might just end up doing that... maybe mix em a bit
because I'm a monster...
Sounds like a plan!
With the orange and green being so different, this buy might be better served by offering the mods and alphas as separate packs.
That's what I was thinking. That way you buy what you need/want.
Post by: HesterDW on Sun, 25 October 2015, 01:42:20
I might just end up doing that... maybe mix em a bit
because I'm a monster...
Sounds like a plan!With the orange and green being so different, this buy might be better served by offering the mods and alphas as separate packs.
That's what I was thinking. That way you buy what you need/want.
So kinda like Elemento PBT. The base kit could be the beige mods, then you choose your alphas. But how might having two alpha colors complicate the numpad/alt layouts? Would there be amber versions of every layout?
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sun, 25 October 2015, 02:40:49
I might just end up doing that... maybe mix em a bit
because I'm a monster...
Sounds like a plan!With the orange and green being so different, this buy might be better served by offering the mods and alphas as separate packs.
That's what I was thinking. That way you buy what you need/want.
So kinda like Elemento PBT. The base kit could be the beige mods, then you choose your alphas. But how might having two alpha colors complicate the numpad/alt layouts? Would there be amber versions of every layout?
I guess this thinking would lead to a ton of child packs...and potentially over complicate things.
Post by: Jhonan on Sun, 25 October 2015, 04:50:00
I might just end up doing that... maybe mix em a bit
because I'm a monster...
Sounds like a plan!With the orange and green being so different, this buy might be better served by offering the mods and alphas as separate packs.
That's what I was thinking. That way you buy what you need/want.
So kinda like Elemento PBT. The base kit could be the beige mods, then you choose your alphas. But how might having two alpha colors complicate the numpad/alt layouts? Would there be amber versions of every layout?
I guess this thinking would lead to a ton of child packs...and potentially over complicate things.
Then the added worry of not meeting the minimum order for price... (unless I'm not understanding the whole gb thing :P)
Post by: DrCr4nK on Sun, 25 October 2015, 08:11:45
Post by: Pdub on Sun, 25 October 2015, 12:52:55
You can figure this out. Good Luck! :thumb:
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sun, 25 October 2015, 14:06:45
If you came up with some awesome novelty keys I would buy this. Maybe some keys that have error message words on it. or some keys that say "blue screen" or "green screen" for the esc key. I think my forvorite nov keys are ones with cleaver words for specific keys. Like "Destroy" for delete or "super" for Windows key.
You can figure this out. Good Luck! :thumb:
I think the novelties so far fit the aesthetics of the set. Maybe a few more to add some variety.
Post by: braidn on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:26:54
Post by: Kola93 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 02:38:28
Will I like SA profile? It seems ridiculously tall.
Post by: Kirfloof on Mon, 26 October 2015, 11:08:18
I don't have a board for this set, but I can't see a good reason not to jump in for a v1.2, it's the only dark alpha/ light mod theme I've liked.
Not a fan of 'distracting' mods, but this one really works well for me.
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 26 October 2015, 11:16:04
I really like both the Green and Orange.
Will I like SA profile? It seems ridiculously tall.
Nobody will be able to tell you if you'll like SA or not, it's all personal preference. People will be able to give you some insight on their opinion but you won't really know until you try it for yourself.
Post by: jerue on Mon, 26 October 2015, 16:41:22
I really like both the Green and Orange.
Will I like SA profile? It seems ridiculously tall.
It works really well on the right switches. I would recommend heavy/linears, ergo clears/zealios or Topre (Novatouch). Did not like my Modern Selectric set on my MX Green board, which is a shame because it replicated a typewriter so well. They are a little wobbly, but to me that is a retro feel because my Selectric I typewriter is also wobbly.
Post by: gabba-gool on Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:09:27
Post by: jaffers on Wed, 28 October 2015, 06:11:56
Post by: tangkims on Thu, 29 October 2015, 00:56:20
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 30 October 2015, 22:58:23
Post by: mrgoldenzombie on Sat, 31 October 2015, 00:34:56
[IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980sLooks dandy... Take my monies
Overview
Hi Everyone, I'm designing keycaps inspired by the first computer I owned, a hand-me-down Apple IIe. It was old by the time I got it, but it started me off well enough. Assuming you were old enough to type in the late 80s, you probably used an Apple II at some point, or at least a computer with a green phosphor CRT.
My original idea was to do alternating light/dark green rows in alphas and mods. After some good feedback over on /r/keycapdesigners/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/keycapdesigners/comments/3lnn22/feedback_green_screen_80s_retro/) Imoved that concept out to a child kit to make the base kit appealing to the biggest audienceam probably going to nix that idea.
I think that there's potential for some really great novelty keys in a set like this, but I need your input and ideas!
Images
Version 1.2 (Updated 2015-10-15)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/obB3KuJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GpENrHJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iCSGySo.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tQjXjMi.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5duAjif.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dvM1tg3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KQUtxEC.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Na0TwUJ.png)
Version 1.1 (Posted 2015-09-27)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/S908icI.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/S94qUML.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pux7C6t.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/90RxU3B.png)
Imgur Album: Green Screen Keycaps Set (http://imgur.com/a/79nRM/)
Inspiration
This.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ayytJr4.png)
And these.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sPNlPEQ.png)
"Green Screen" Details
- Signature Plastics ABS SA keys
- MX compatible stems
- Profile Rows 1-1-2-3-4-4
- Doubleshot legends
- Semi-Matte Finish (Standard)
Kits
- Base Kit
- Numpad Kit
- Not ANSI Kit
- Alt Layouts Kit
- ISO 9995 (UK) Kit
- Amber Screen Alphas Kit
- German/Nordic/S.Slavic Kit (?)
- Novelties (?)
Group Buy Plans
I won't be presumptuous. I'll update this if there's enough interest.
I will mention that as a new member of the community, I don't intend to run a group buy myself nor collect any money; we'll go through PMK store or Massdrop if there's enough interest.
Work LogIncorporate feedback on colorway from harlw, data, others.Numpad Kit v1.2Alt Layouts Kit v1.2ISO 9995 Kit v1.2"Amber Screen" Alphas KitImages for terminal noveltyNot ANSI Kit v1.2
Thanks everyone!
Post by: hnaeht on Sat, 31 October 2015, 11:29:49
Post by: braidn on Sat, 31 October 2015, 11:57:14
Post by: Steezus on Sat, 31 October 2015, 16:32:00
Looks dandy... Take my monies
Just a heads up, try to avoid quoting long posts so it doesn't fill up the thread. :thumb:
I'm very excited for this set still, looks like I'll need to buy another board so this set can have a home. :D
Post by: CannabisWeekly on Mon, 02 November 2015, 23:27:23
Post by: keyboardia1 on Tue, 03 November 2015, 01:41:52
looks like I'll need to buy another board so this set can have a home. :Di know that feel
Post by: hitlu on Tue, 03 November 2015, 05:27:19
Post by: braidn on Tue, 03 November 2015, 07:06:25
Post by: CannabisWeekly on Tue, 03 November 2015, 07:26:07
Even though the world is flooded with SA at the moment there is no way I will be missing this
There can never be enough SA options!
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Tue, 03 November 2015, 07:32:48
Even though the world is flooded with SA at the moment there is no way I will be missing this
There can never be enough SA options!
Until we end up having to wait 2 years for a keyset to be made.
Post by: Data on Tue, 03 November 2015, 11:44:45
Even though the world is flooded with SA at the moment there is no way I will be missing this
There can never be enough SA options!
Until we end up having to wait 2 years for a keyset to be made.
Hopefully a competitor will appear before we get to that point.
Post by: jaffers on Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:20:41
Post by: chromatically on Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:41:37
[IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
Overview
Hi Everyone, I'm designing keycaps inspired by the first computer I owned, a hand-me-down Apple IIe. It was old by the time I got it, but it started me off well enough. Assuming you were old enough to type in the late 80s, you probably used an Apple II at some point, or at least a computer with a green phosphor CRT.
My original idea was to do alternating light/dark green rows in alphas and mods. After some good feedback over on /r/keycapdesigners/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/keycapdesigners/comments/3lnn22/feedback_green_screen_80s_retro/) Imoved that concept out to a child kit to make the base kit appealing to the biggest audienceam probably going to nix that idea.
I think that there's potential for some really great novelty keys in a set like this, but I need your input and ideas!
Images
Version 1.2 (Updated 2015-10-15)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/obB3KuJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GpENrHJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iCSGySo.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tQjXjMi.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5duAjif.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dvM1tg3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KQUtxEC.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Na0TwUJ.png)
Version 1.1 (Posted 2015-09-27)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/S908icI.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/S94qUML.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pux7C6t.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/90RxU3B.png)
Imgur Album: Green Screen Keycaps Set (http://imgur.com/a/79nRM/)
Inspiration
This.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ayytJr4.png)
And these.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sPNlPEQ.png)
"Green Screen" Details
- Signature Plastics ABS SA keys
- MX compatible stems
- Profile Rows 1-1-2-3-4-4
- Doubleshot legends
- Semi-Matte Finish (Standard)
Kits
- Base Kit
- Numpad Kit
- Not ANSI Kit
- Alt Layouts Kit
- ISO 9995 (UK) Kit
- Amber Screen Alphas Kit
- German/Nordic/S.Slavic Kit (?)
- Novelties (?)
Group Buy Plans
I won't be presumptuous. I'll update this if there's enough interest.
I will mention that as a new member of the community, I don't intend to run a group buy myself nor collect any money; we'll go through PMK store or Massdrop if there's enough interest.
Work LogIncorporate feedback on colorway from harlw, data, others.Numpad Kit v1.2Alt Layouts Kit v1.2ISO 9995 Kit v1.2"Amber Screen" Alphas KitImages for terminal noveltyNot ANSI Kit v1.2
Thanks everyone!
oooo definitely interested in this set. more SA the better.
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 03 November 2015, 16:30:14
Have there been any updates recently tho the set or are we just waiting in line for SP?
Post by: xorian on Thu, 05 November 2015, 09:46:53
It would be really great to have an ErgoDox kit and a Planck kit. For the novelties, I'd prefer "Terminal B" and/or the floppy disk.
Post by: My_Thoughts on Fri, 06 November 2015, 05:51:43
Please refrain from quoting the main post, it clutters up the thread's pages.
Have there been any updates recently tho the set or are we just waiting in line for SP?
With the size of some of the SP drops on massdrop I fear to think how long the queue might be now
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Fri, 06 November 2015, 06:45:43
Please refrain from quoting the main post, it clutters up the thread's pages.
Have there been any updates recently tho the set or are we just waiting in line for SP?
With the size of some of the SP drops on massdrop I fear to think how long the queue might be now
And it seems like almost every new GB decides on SA at this point, or at least has it as a main option. Dasher/Dancer, Green Screen, Troubled minds, Nantucket Selectric, Ground Control, Mint Chocolate, Earfbound, Rebel, Yuri, etc.
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 06 November 2015, 07:06:38
Please refrain from quoting the main post, it clutters up the thread's pages.
Have there been any updates recently tho the set or are we just waiting in line for SP?
With the size of some of the SP drops on massdrop I fear to think how long the queue might be now
And it seems like almost every new GB decides on SA at this point, or at least has it as a main option. Dasher/Dancer, Green Screen, Troubled minds, Nantucket Selectric, Ground Control, Mint Chocolate, Earfbound, Rebel, Yuri, etc.
I blame Elrick... ;)
They've all just finally realised how awesome SA is. It's thick and solid, high quality and chunky, with lots and lots of options available. All the other SP profiles are too thin, all the other manufacturers don't offer enough options (colours, materials, finishes, legend types, custom legends, etc). Now that we have Row 4 Shifts the only thing it's missing is more font options... hoping to fix that soon ;D
Post by: zabuza1997 on Sun, 08 November 2015, 07:00:59
Post by: tangkims on Mon, 16 November 2015, 14:19:54
Bump! When will this horse be ready for market???
hopefully it's right after troubled minds.
Post by: cryptokey on Mon, 16 November 2015, 14:46:15
Post by: Applet on Mon, 16 November 2015, 15:07:14
Post by: harlw on Mon, 16 November 2015, 15:09:01
No love for 75%? :)
wut? Have you seen OP?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 16 November 2015, 16:41:12
Please refrain from quoting the main post, it clutters up the thread's pages.
Have there been any updates recently tho the set or are we just waiting in line for SP?
With the size of some of the SP drops on massdrop I fear to think how long the queue might be now
And it seems like almost every new GB decides on SA at this point, or at least has it as a main option. Dasher/Dancer, Green Screen, Troubled minds, Nantucket Selectric, Ground Control, Mint Chocolate, Earfbound, Rebel, Yuri, etc.
It is a shame we do not have more GMK goodness; besides, those upcoming sets will take forever to be manufactured, SP molds will be a tight bottle neck for them. Put them in that waiting line and some may be finished in one year, hopefully.
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Mon, 16 November 2015, 16:56:38
Post by: ideus on Mon, 16 November 2015, 16:59:59
Post by: Prankk on Mon, 16 November 2015, 18:13:43
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 17 November 2015, 00:33:46
Please refrain from quoting the main post, it clutters up the thread's pages.
Have there been any updates recently tho the set or are we just waiting in line for SP?
With the size of some of the SP drops on massdrop I fear to think how long the queue might be now
And it seems like almost every new GB decides on SA at this point, or at least has it as a main option. Dasher/Dancer, Green Screen, Troubled minds, Nantucket Selectric, Ground Control, Mint Chocolate, Earfbound, Rebel, Yuri, etc.
It is a shame we do not have more GMK goodness; besides, those upcoming sets will take forever to be manufactured, SP molds will be a tight bottle neck for them. Put them in that waiting line and some may be finished in one year, hopefully.
The big problem is the MoQ requirements from GMK. Personally, I'd like to see some other manufacturers step up as I'd like some doubleshot PBT caps.
Post by: Numpy on Tue, 17 November 2015, 04:16:35
Thanks and goodluck! :thumb:
Post by: Jhonan on Tue, 17 November 2015, 12:41:13
Bump! When will this horse be ready for market???
hopefully it's right after troubled minds.
So at least march then? lol, gonna have to wait so long to get that one already :(
Post by: cryptokey on Wed, 18 November 2015, 14:36:47
Post by: Numpy on Thu, 26 November 2015, 01:24:18
Post by: Pwner on Thu, 26 November 2015, 04:54:32
Is this set likely to come about? :-\
OP hasn't been here in 1 1/2 months. Shame, this set was shaping up nicely.
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 26 November 2015, 10:01:56
Is this set likely to come about? :-\
OP hasn't been here in 1 1/2 months. Shame, this set was shaping up nicely.
Whether he's been active or not it still won't change how long we'll have to wait. SP is so bogged down with SA key sets that they can't keep up. I'm more than certain this group buy will happen eventually, starting it now would still make us have to wait til next year before we can even get our hands on the set.
Post by: mashby on Sat, 28 November 2015, 17:48:50
If the OP is MIA, I'm actually grateful. Well, my wallet is at least. :-)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 29 November 2015, 21:26:35
This is a great looking set. Just when I think I'm not going to buy anymore, another set pops up that I find hard to resist.
If the OP is MIA, I'm actually grateful. Well, my wallet is at least. :-)
Every wallet here on Geekhack loves being gaped around this time of year, it's the normal situation 8) .
Actually like the look of it after not paying any attention, so it's quite sublime. Perfect for any type of keyboard that's available BUT do not waste this set on another HHKB-like abortion, simply abysmal in every respect.
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 29 November 2015, 21:53:31
This is a great looking set. Just when I think I'm not going to buy anymore, another set pops up that I find hard to resist.
If the OP is MIA, I'm actually grateful. Well, my wallet is at least. :-)
Every wallet here on Geekhack loves being gaped around this time of year, it's the normal situation 8) .
Actually like the look of it after not paying any attention, so it's quite sublime. Perfect for any type of keyboard that's available BUT do not waste this set on another HHKB-like abortion, simply abysmal in every respect.
Especially coming close to Christmas, I need to stop spending so I can buy gifts.
I definitely want to get this set, I have yet to type on any SA.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 30 November 2015, 01:49:16
I definitely want to get this set, I have yet to type on any SA.
For fvck sake man, don't waste anymore time on this planet, get yourself an SA profiled set as soon as possible :o .
Unbelievable that there are still individuals who exist that STILL haven't used or touched an SA Profiled key-set yet. You will definitely be addicted to these babies like a crack-ho, always wanting more and more as time goes by.
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Mon, 30 November 2015, 06:56:52
I definitely want to get this set, I have yet to type on any SA.
For fvck sake man, don't waste anymore time on this planet, get yourself an SA profiled set as soon as possible :o .
Unbelievable that there are still individuals who exist that STILL haven't used or touched an SA Profiled key-set yet. You will definitely be addicted to these babies like a crack-ho, always wanting more and more as time goes by.
As someone who doesn't have an SA set, the only reason for this is because I'm patiently waiting for the sets in this forum to reach group buy stage... Too many to choose from.
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 30 November 2015, 09:04:30
I definitely want to get this set, I have yet to type on any SA.
For fvck sake man, don't waste anymore time on this planet, get yourself an SA profiled set as soon as possible :o .
Unbelievable that there are still individuals who exist that STILL haven't used or touched an SA Profiled key-set yet. You will definitely be addicted to these babies like a crack-ho, always wanting more and more as time goes by.
As someone who doesn't have an SA set, the only reason for this is because I'm patiently waiting for the sets in this forum to reach group buy stage... Too many to choose from.
I'm on the same boat as you, at first there really wasn't too many SA sets that I liked and I missed all the group buys for them when first joining the site. I would've grabbed Nuclear Data or Penumbra if I had the chance. Now there are too many SA sets, I'll probably end up going with two being this one and Classic Space unless Penumbra r2 decides to come out sooner than expected.
Post by: harlw on Mon, 30 November 2015, 19:13:21
Post by: tangkims on Mon, 30 November 2015, 21:26:56
Well - if OP never comes back the color scheme was technically MY idea so I would consider making my own version of this when I have the time.
Please do!
Post by: harlw on Mon, 30 November 2015, 21:59:10
Post by: Jumie on Sun, 27 December 2015, 07:29:22
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 27 December 2015, 07:47:57
Post by: KoalaKaiser on Wed, 30 December 2015, 14:16:02
Post by: cryptokey on Sat, 02 January 2016, 13:59:18
Post by: yannickg on Sat, 02 January 2016, 16:19:50
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 02 January 2016, 16:47:39
If he comes back, I'll be happy to help get this set on PMK/Massdrop and do all that work for you. Just give the word :thumb:
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 02 January 2016, 17:00:51
OP seems to be MIA here and on Reddit.
If he comes back, I'll be happy to help get this set on PMK/Massdrop and do all that work for you. Just give the word :thumb:
I think I could help with the renders.
Post by: profet on Sat, 02 January 2016, 17:02:18
Post by: Jumie on Sun, 03 January 2016, 03:12:37
Post by: Bumbibear on Thu, 14 January 2016, 10:06:50
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 14 January 2016, 15:17:47
Is it to late to try and spark any interest in getting a International Nordic Kit aswell ?
I'd suggest DE+Nordic!
Post by: cryptokey on Thu, 14 January 2016, 15:33:01
Actually - I have his address and email from a board I sold him, I'll try and get in contact as it would be far preferable to preserve his hard work, I know he's a busy guy, he's mentioned that before so I wouldn't lose hope.
Please do! I PM'd him on GH several weeks ago and still haven't gotten a response, not that I'm surprised or anything. I really hopes this goes through though, this is honestly my favourite set that I have seen of all time. I've been waiting for a set like this to come out!
Post by: FLFisherman on Thu, 14 January 2016, 15:39:53
OP seems to be MIA here and on Reddit.
If he comes back, I'll be happy to help get this set on PMK/Massdrop and do all that work for you. Just give the word :thumb:
Why does OP need to come back? Can't the group buy move on without him?
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 14 January 2016, 15:50:54
OP seems to be MIA here and on Reddit.
If he comes back, I'll be happy to help get this set on PMK/Massdrop and do all that work for you. Just give the word :thumb:
Why does OP need to come back? Can't the group buy move on without him?
Yes, it can be done but we should wait until we can consider OP completely MIA.
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 14 January 2016, 15:52:26
OP seems to be MIA here and on Reddit.
If he comes back, I'll be happy to help get this set on PMK/Massdrop and do all that work for you. Just give the word :thumb:
Why does OP need to come back? Can't the group buy move on without him?
It is OP's design, it wouldn't be right to go ahead with the group buy without his permission at the very least. Besides SP is completely flooded with SA sets, it's not like we could get it anytime soon even if it did start. Wait til the SA hype dies down and then it would be a good time to run it imo.
Post by: cryptokey on Thu, 14 January 2016, 15:55:51
edit: That being said, we might as well work on it as a community so that when SP is freed up from the many SA orders, it will be ready to run a GB.
Post by: harlw on Thu, 14 January 2016, 17:24:08
I got in contact with him a month or so ago and he has just been super busy. I wrote just now to see what he thinks about me taking over, we'll see what he says.Actually - I have his address and email from a board I sold him, I'll try and get in contact as it would be far preferable to preserve his hard work, I know he's a busy guy, he's mentioned that before so I wouldn't lose hope.
Please do! I PM'd him on GH several weeks ago and still haven't gotten a response, not that I'm surprised or anything. I really hopes this goes through though, this is honestly my favourite set that I have seen of all time. I've been waiting for a set like this to come out!
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 14 January 2016, 17:38:51
I got in contact with him a month or so ago and he has just been super busy. I wrote just now to see what he thinks about me taking over, we'll see what he says.Actually - I have his address and email from a board I sold him, I'll try and get in contact as it would be far preferable to preserve his hard work, I know he's a busy guy, he's mentioned that before so I wouldn't lose hope.
Please do! I PM'd him on GH several weeks ago and still haven't gotten a response, not that I'm surprised or anything. I really hopes this goes through though, this is honestly my favourite set that I have seen of all time. I've been waiting for a set like this to come out!
Thank you harlw, I don't really see it being ethical moving on with the set without his permission. :thumb:
Post by: harlw on Thu, 14 January 2016, 18:15:24
Yes, definitely not. It's his copyrighted work, if he never comes back I may start from scratch with a new name but same basic color scheme as that was my contribution anyways.I got in contact with him a month or so ago and he has just been super busy. I wrote just now to see what he thinks about me taking over, we'll see what he says.Actually - I have his address and email from a board I sold him, I'll try and get in contact as it would be far preferable to preserve his hard work, I know he's a busy guy, he's mentioned that before so I wouldn't lose hope.
Please do! I PM'd him on GH several weeks ago and still haven't gotten a response, not that I'm surprised or anything. I really hopes this goes through though, this is honestly my favourite set that I have seen of all time. I've been waiting for a set like this to come out!
Thank you harlw, I don't really see it being ethical moving on with the set without his permission. :thumb:
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 14 January 2016, 20:22:22
Yes, definitely not. It's his copyrighted work, if he never comes back I may start from scratch with a new name but same basic color scheme as that was my contribution anyways.I got in contact with him a month or so ago and he has just been super busy. I wrote just now to see what he thinks about me taking over, we'll see what he says.Actually - I have his address and email from a board I sold him, I'll try and get in contact as it would be far preferable to preserve his hard work, I know he's a busy guy, he's mentioned that before so I wouldn't lose hope.
Please do! I PM'd him on GH several weeks ago and still haven't gotten a response, not that I'm surprised or anything. I really hopes this goes through though, this is honestly my favourite set that I have seen of all time. I've been waiting for a set like this to come out!
Thank you harlw, I don't really see it being ethical moving on with the set without his permission. :thumb:
There's not really much of anything that would hit copyright protection. The novelties are already commonplace enough that you could just redo them. The Green Screen logo could be up for trademark, though.
I always find the copyright discussion fascinating as it comes up here regarding keycaps but on other group buys, no such thing is ever mentioned (such as GMTO shoes).
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 14 January 2016, 20:30:00
Yes, definitely not. It's his copyrighted work, if he never comes back I may start from scratch with a new name but same basic color scheme as that was my contribution anyways.I got in contact with him a month or so ago and he has just been super busy. I wrote just now to see what he thinks about me taking over, we'll see what he says.Actually - I have his address and email from a board I sold him, I'll try and get in contact as it would be far preferable to preserve his hard work, I know he's a busy guy, he's mentioned that before so I wouldn't lose hope.
Please do! I PM'd him on GH several weeks ago and still haven't gotten a response, not that I'm surprised or anything. I really hopes this goes through though, this is honestly my favourite set that I have seen of all time. I've been waiting for a set like this to come out!
Thank you harlw, I don't really see it being ethical moving on with the set without his permission. :thumb:
There's not really much of anything that would hit copyright protection. The novelties are already commonplace enough that you could just redo them. The Green Screen logo could be up for trademark, though.
I always find the copyright discussion fascinating as it comes up here regarding keycaps but on other group buys, no such thing is ever mentioned (such as GMTO shoes).
It's not about copyright, it's about being ethical. Why screw a guy out of all the hard work he did if he gets busy and can't work on project that he is doing for his hobby. It'll get done eventually and if not the least we could do is ask for his permission, if he then becomes unresponsive for a few more months then I agree with harlw that a new set with similar colors can be made.
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 14 January 2016, 22:38:30
Yes, definitely not. It's his copyrighted work, if he never comes back I may start from scratch with a new name but same basic color scheme as that was my contribution anyways.I got in contact with him a month or so ago and he has just been super busy. I wrote just now to see what he thinks about me taking over, we'll see what he says.Actually - I have his address and email from a board I sold him, I'll try and get in contact as it would be far preferable to preserve his hard work, I know he's a busy guy, he's mentioned that before so I wouldn't lose hope.
Please do! I PM'd him on GH several weeks ago and still haven't gotten a response, not that I'm surprised or anything. I really hopes this goes through though, this is honestly my favourite set that I have seen of all time. I've been waiting for a set like this to come out!
Thank you harlw, I don't really see it being ethical moving on with the set without his permission. :thumb:
There's not really much of anything that would hit copyright protection. The novelties are already commonplace enough that you could just redo them. The Green Screen logo could be up for trademark, though.
I always find the copyright discussion fascinating as it comes up here regarding keycaps but on other group buys, no such thing is ever mentioned (such as GMTO shoes).
It's not about copyright, it's about being ethical. Why screw a guy out of all the hard work he did if he gets busy and can't work on project that he is doing for his hobby. It'll get done eventually and if not the least we could do is ask for his permission, if he then becomes unresponsive for a few more months then I agree with harlw that a new set with similar colors can be made.
I was replying to a comment specifically on copyright.
Post by: harlw on Fri, 15 January 2016, 00:22:38
As a designer I've studied copyright issues previously and you own the rights the moment something is created. All that's needed in a court of law to sue for infringement is documented proof that your version existed before documented proof of the accused violators version.Yes, definitely not. It's his copyrighted work, if he never comes back I may start from scratch with a new name but same basic color scheme as that was my contribution anyways.I got in contact with him a month or so ago and he has just been super busy. I wrote just now to see what he thinks about me taking over, we'll see what he says.Actually - I have his address and email from a board I sold him, I'll try and get in contact as it would be far preferable to preserve his hard work, I know he's a busy guy, he's mentioned that before so I wouldn't lose hope.
Please do! I PM'd him on GH several weeks ago and still haven't gotten a response, not that I'm surprised or anything. I really hopes this goes through though, this is honestly my favourite set that I have seen of all time. I've been waiting for a set like this to come out!
Thank you harlw, I don't really see it being ethical moving on with the set without his permission. :thumb:
There's not really much of anything that would hit copyright protection. The novelties are already commonplace enough that you could just redo them. The Green Screen logo could be up for trademark, though.
I always find the copyright discussion fascinating as it comes up here regarding keycaps but on other group buys, no such thing is ever mentioned (such as GMTO shoes).
However, you are correct that the intellectual property would need to be, somewhat subjectively, unique enough from other similar intellectual property.
And yes, the unique parts of this set are easily replaced though my preference is for OP to get his priorities straight, put some kids up for adoption or something, and get this thing running.
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 15 January 2016, 02:34:16
As a designer I've studied copyright issues previously and you own the rights the moment something is created. All that's needed in a court of law to sue for infringement is documented proof that your version existed before documented proof of the accused violators version.Yes, definitely not. It's his copyrighted work, if he never comes back I may start from scratch with a new name but same basic color scheme as that was my contribution anyways.I got in contact with him a month or so ago and he has just been super busy. I wrote just now to see what he thinks about me taking over, we'll see what he says.Actually - I have his address and email from a board I sold him, I'll try and get in contact as it would be far preferable to preserve his hard work, I know he's a busy guy, he's mentioned that before so I wouldn't lose hope.
Please do! I PM'd him on GH several weeks ago and still haven't gotten a response, not that I'm surprised or anything. I really hopes this goes through though, this is honestly my favourite set that I have seen of all time. I've been waiting for a set like this to come out!
Thank you harlw, I don't really see it being ethical moving on with the set without his permission. :thumb:
There's not really much of anything that would hit copyright protection. The novelties are already commonplace enough that you could just redo them. The Green Screen logo could be up for trademark, though.
I always find the copyright discussion fascinating as it comes up here regarding keycaps but on other group buys, no such thing is ever mentioned (such as GMTO shoes).
However, you are correct that the intellectual property would need to be, somewhat subjectively, unique enough from other similar intellectual property.
And yes, the unique parts of this set are easily replaced though my preference is for OP to get his priorities straight, put some kids up for adoption or something, and get this thing running.
I've studied this as well a bit, more due to this keycap hobby but also having a wife and sister-in-law that worked/work in design has helped.
I'm going to leave this one be. I've created a thread in the keycap forum that's probably a few pages back now that had a more in-depth discussion on copyright as well as links to the US copyright office on elements that are not copyrightable (which include things like colorization and any article with a utilitarian purpose).
If you'd like to bring that thread up and discuss this more there, I'd be happy to do so.
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 15 January 2016, 04:21:37
Post by: admgc on Tue, 26 January 2016, 17:24:19
That was a busy few months. Sorry for the mysterious disappearance. Updates to come shortly.
Post by: admgc on Tue, 26 January 2016, 17:26:09
If it gets this set created, I'll take care of the kids for a while. I have a dog, that's about the same, right?
And plane tickets to Norway too? :)
Post by: admgc on Tue, 26 January 2016, 17:29:43
- A 1u R1 \| and a 1.5u R2 backspace for hhkb/infinity style layouts
- "original homing key homage" kit of nubbed and deep dish D and K caps
- An R3 CTRL and a R3 Stepped CTRL
- Perhaps a "Green Screen" or "Amber Screen" novelty key
- Start taking HHKB/660c boards into consideration (have to research this a bit)
- Offering the mods and alphas as separate packs
- Ergodox kit (If only for my good pal Tony)
Post by: admgc on Tue, 26 January 2016, 17:32:59
Post by: simonyunhe on Tue, 26 January 2016, 18:05:18
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 26 January 2016, 18:34:52
Here's what y'all have requested over the past few months that I'm working on:
- A 1u R1 \| and a 1.5u R2 backspace for hhkb/infinity style layouts
- "original homing key homage" kit of nubbed and deep dish D and K caps
- An R3 CTRL and a R3 Stepped CTRL
- Perhaps a "Green Screen" or "Amber Screen" novelty key
- Start taking HHKB/660c boards into consideration (have to research this a bit)
- Offering the mods and alphas as separate packs
- Ergodox kit (If only for my good pal Tony)
Welcome back, glad to see you'll be apart of the completion of this set. :thumb:
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 26 January 2016, 18:40:59
OP is back, y'all :-)
That was a busy few months. Sorry for the mysterious disappearance. Updates to come shortly.
Awesome!! This is one of the few sets that I need badly! Glad you're back!!
Post by: harlw on Tue, 26 January 2016, 19:13:34
OP is back, y'all :-)
That was a busy few months. Sorry for the mysterious disappearance. Updates to come shortly.
Well, well, well, look what we have here!
I'm holding out my suspicion though as this is clearly a Weekend At Bernie's situation; your account being artificially animated all of the sudden after your untimely death months ago.
This is not funny, I was at Adam's funeral!
Post by: harlw on Tue, 26 January 2016, 19:14:45
One thing I know is going to be a problem for me (time-wise) is finishing the novelties well. I could use some help from the community. Harlw, you had previously offered to help out so I'll ask you first... think you could run with the novelties?
Yezzir! I'll help even though you're dead - you have a PM.
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 27 January 2016, 02:51:39
If it gets this set created, I'll take care of the kids for a while. I have a dog, that's about the same, right?
And plane tickets to Norway too? :)
This time of year? Are you effin...
Hell nah, me and my dawg are goin' down south! ;p
Post by: Bumbibear on Wed, 27 January 2016, 05:34:43
Here's what y'all have requested over the past few months that I'm working on:
- A 1u R1 \| and a 1.5u R2 backspace for hhkb/infinity style layouts
- "original homing key homage" kit of nubbed and deep dish D and K caps
- An R3 CTRL and a R3 Stepped CTRL
- Perhaps a "Green Screen" or "Amber Screen" novelty key
- Start taking HHKB/660c boards into consideration (have to research this a bit)
- Offering the mods and alphas as separate packs
- Ergodox kit (If only for my good pal Tony)
Is it to late to try and spark any interest in getting a International Nordic Kit aswell ?
I'd suggest DE+Nordic!
Would it require a lot of effort to get a DE + Nordic option also ? :)
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 27 January 2016, 06:47:54
Definitely interested in this!
Post by: admgc on Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:21:37
1. Now have (2) alpha kits, one for Green Screen, one for Amber Screen. I'm to the point where I like each colorway equally! Tried to make the Amber Screen colorway a first-class citizen by breaking it out.
2. Now have (2) numpad kits,one for Green Screen, one for Amber Screen.
3. Broke out the modifier kitso it can be used with either alpha set.
4. Added a few keys to the DNA (DNA's not ANSI) set to support HHKB Pro2 and FC660 boards. Clarification: everything here will be MX stemmed, but a few people are saying that traditionally Topre boards with newer MX-compatible stems may be coming(?). Made sure that the DNA set can be used with either alpha kit as well.
5. Added small 'Old School Homing Kit' as a tribute to the inspiration's original homing layout.
Post by: admgc on Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:24:37
Post by: admgc on Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:30:13
With the orange and green being so different, this buy might be better served by offering the mods and alphas as separate packs.
Agreed, and done in updated v1.21
Post by: admgc on Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:48:48
So kinda like Elemento PBT. The base kit could be the beige mods, then you choose your alphas. But how might having two alpha colors complicate the numpad/alt layouts? Would there be amber versions of every layout?
I guess this thinking would lead to a ton of child packs...and potentially over complicate things.
My thought currently is to (A) offer alpha kits and numpad kits in both green and amber, and then (B) make as many of the other kits as possible compatible with *either* set of alphas. Currently in v1.21, lots of boards can be covered with only 2 or 3 of the kits.
The boards that *would be* constrained to the Green colorway with v.1.21 would be:
- Any board not using QWERTY
- ISO 9995 (UK) boards
- International boards
- Ergodox boards
Adding the Amber colorway for all of those kits too would create a lot of child kits, yeah. Maybe a round 2 if there's interest...
Post by: Bumbibear on Thu, 28 January 2016, 06:17:38
So kinda like Elemento PBT. The base kit could be the beige mods, then you choose your alphas. But how might having two alpha colors complicate the numpad/alt layouts? Would there be amber versions of every layout?
I guess this thinking would lead to a ton of child packs...and potentially over complicate things.
My thought currently is to (A) offer alpha kits and numpad kits in both green and amber, and then (B) make as many of the other kits as possible compatible with *either* set of alphas. Currently in v1.21, lots of boards can be covered with only 2 or 3 of the kits.
The boards that *would be* constrained to the Green colorway with v.1.21 would be:
- Any board not using QWERTY
- ISO 9995 (UK) boards
- International boards
- Ergodox boards
Adding the Amber colorway for all of those kits too would create a lot of child kits, yeah. Maybe a round 2 if there's interest...
This seems completely valid - and a good update! :)
International Green screen with DE/NO/SE is propably the kit most would be interested in - myself included
Post by: derezzed on Thu, 28 January 2016, 22:05:58
My recent experience with SA taught me that I really hate stock Ducky keycaps. I need to get these **** things off my board. I was already feeling conflicted because I really wanted Cyrillic Yuri, but I was thinking of buying Nantucket because it looks like Nantucket might be running much sooner than Yuri and Nantucket looks really good too. Now, you come back with Green Screen and really complicate the issue. How long am I going to have to endure not having good caps?! :(
Here's hoping Amber Screen does well enough in round 1 to merit an alt layout kit in round 2. The lack of Colemak support for Amber Screen has probably tipped my decision in favor of Green Screen, but I'm a touch typist so nothing is set in stone. When this set debuted, I was way more interested in Green Screen, but Amber Screen has grown on me. Regardless, I will probably buy the other set of alphas in round 2. It will be like getting a whole new set of caps for only the cost of alphas. And, in case I haven't said it before, my vote is for the Terminal B novelty. Now, when can we expect to see some renders?
Post by: qwack on Fri, 29 January 2016, 07:02:37
Post by: Pwner on Fri, 29 January 2016, 07:10:44
Post by: admgc on Sun, 31 January 2016, 13:56:12
This seems completely valid - and a good update! :)
International Green screen with DE/NO/SE is propably the kit most would be interested in - myself included
Added "Green Screen I18n Kit B" to the original post for DE/NO/DK/SE/IS support.
Bumbibear, tofgerl, and others: can you look over it to see if I got it right? Feedback welcome.
Post by: Bumbibear on Sun, 31 January 2016, 14:39:49
This seems completely valid - and a good update! :)
International Green screen with DE/NO/SE is propably the kit most would be interested in - myself included
Added "Green Screen I18n Kit B" to the original post for DE/NO/DK/SE/IS support.
Bumbibear, tofgerl, and others: can you look over it to see if I got it right? Feedback welcome.
Given how there usually isn't many "International" sets being bought, maybe this IC should be spread on other forums to gather further buzz ?
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 31 January 2016, 18:24:21
Eh, yeah. Looks good. I went ANSI years ago.
This seems completely valid - and a good update! :)
International Green screen with DE/NO/SE is propably the kit most would be interested in - myself included
Added "Green Screen I18n Kit B" to the original post for DE/NO/DK/SE/IS support.
Bumbibear, tofgerl, and others: can you look over it to see if I got it right? Feedback welcome.
Post by: tangkims on Mon, 08 February 2016, 14:43:16
Post by: admgc on Mon, 08 February 2016, 15:43:39
I'm holding off on the PuLSE and Nuntucket in hopes that this gets made... please let this be made lol
Yup. I'm going to do a Massdrop poll this week to get it on their radar and will post a crosspost on/r/mk to let that community know and to get their feedback.
Will update the OP with the poll once it's live.
Post by: lobehold on Tue, 09 February 2016, 11:32:55
Eagerly anticipating the group buy.
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 09 February 2016, 11:47:11
I'm holding off on the PuLSE and Nuntucket in hopes that this gets made... please let this be made lol
Yup. I'm going to do a Massdrop poll this week to get it on their radar and will post a crosspost on/r/mk to let that community know and to get their feedback.
Will update the OP with the poll once it's live.
I'd get Massdrops attention as soon as there can. There are still multiple sets that they have planned including 1976 r2, Jukebox r2, RetroBlight, and I think another one that I'm missing.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 09 February 2016, 13:28:51
I'm holding off on the PuLSE and Nuntucket in hopes that this gets made... please let this be made lol
Yup. I'm going to do a Massdrop poll this week to get it on their radar and will post a crosspost on/r/mk to let that community know and to get their feedback.
Will update the OP with the poll once it's live.
Definitely wont hurt, but I can tell you they are slammed with sets right now. You may also want to put this on the Launch Pad part of PMK if you can, if you get the votes there it at least opens up another doorway for you!
Post by: admgc on Thu, 11 February 2016, 04:21:53
Post by: admgc on Thu, 11 February 2016, 05:03:36
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 11 February 2016, 06:33:58
Updated OP with Massdrop poll. Vote plz!
voted
Post by: cyan on Thu, 11 February 2016, 06:35:58
Have been looking forward to this set!
Post by: jynxed on Fri, 12 February 2016, 02:34:45
Post by: admgc on Fri, 12 February 2016, 08:36:21
Voted! I wants! :D
Thanks for your interest!
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Fri, 12 February 2016, 10:00:57
Post by: LeandreN on Fri, 12 February 2016, 15:51:35
Post by: Jumie on Sat, 13 February 2016, 10:51:30
Post by: Bumbibear on Sat, 13 February 2016, 11:00:45
says the vote on MD was successful, when is the approximate launch date? need to prepare the wallet.
What I see is that here is 129 votes currently.
When it hits 200 votes the gears will start spinning :)
Post by: Steezus on Sat, 13 February 2016, 16:03:21
says the vote on MD was successful, when is the approximate launch date? need to prepare the wallet.
Most likely not for a few months. MD likes to run a set of month and there are already 3-4 SA sets in line to be ran.
Post by: admgc on Sun, 14 February 2016, 10:15:55
Definitely interested in the green screen when this goes live! Any chance on adding a green enter key in one of the packs?
Yup. Can do. Also planning on adding a Planck kit.
Post by: admgc on Sun, 14 February 2016, 10:18:37
says the vote on MD was successful, when is the approximate launch date? need to prepare the wallet.
Most likely not for a few months. MD likes to run a set of month and there are already 3-4 SA sets in line to be ran.
Yeah, you've got some time. I've got a few more tweaks to do and harlw is still working on novelties too.
And full disclosure, I'm not directly in touch with anyone at MD, so we're still officially in IC mode.
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 14 February 2016, 17:19:13
Definitely interested in the green screen when this goes live! Any chance on adding a green enter key in one of the packs?
Yup. Can do. Also planning on adding a Planck kit.
Wonderful!
Post by: Baddy126 on Tue, 16 February 2016, 11:57:02
Post by: admgc on Wed, 17 February 2016, 18:21:08
Post by: xondat on Thu, 18 February 2016, 08:21:26
Post by: Yarbleck on Thu, 25 February 2016, 07:50:30
The set looks soooo good!
Post by: admgc on Fri, 26 February 2016, 00:26:11
Any hope of adding ISO-FR support ;D ?
The set looks soooo good!
I've mocked up a new "I18n Kit C (FR)" child kit and will post the image to the OP shortly, but (A) I doubt that it would/will make MOQ on its own and (B) it shares very few keys with the other international layouts (those pesky num row keys with the number legends on top!) so it's not really suitable for inclusion in other kits. I guess that's why I've never seen FR support in custom caps.
It must be tough being a keycap enthusiast in FR... :(
Post by: admgc on Fri, 26 February 2016, 01:10:27
Added green / amber Return caps to respective alpha kits for a little more color.
Broke ISO modifiers out into own kit to help meet MOQ and/or lower price of ISO mods.
Replaced Iceland with Italy in I18n Kit B (population 350K vs 60M... sorry Iceland).
Post by: admgc on Fri, 26 February 2016, 01:18:03
Keep spreading the word and maybe this can be next in line for production.
Post by: admgc on Fri, 26 February 2016, 01:19:29
Definitely interested in the green screen when this goes live! Any chance on adding a green enter key in one of the packs?
Thanks for the feedback; added green / amber 'return' keys to each respective alpha kit.
Post by: Bumbibear on Fri, 26 February 2016, 11:08:32
Oh, and we hit 200 votes on MD today. Thanks for the votes! :thumb:
Keep spreading the word and maybe this can be next in line for production.
So how does this work from here ? do you get contact with Massdrop who then contact SP ?
Edit: also regarding the French kit - Based on how CtrlAlt has splitted their kits - it would perhaps be an option to kit together the French & Italian kit and then the DE,NO,SE kits ? Don't know if it will affect cost in any way .
Post by: Yarbleck on Sun, 28 February 2016, 05:44:20
Any hope of adding ISO-FR support ;D ?
The set looks soooo good!
I've mocked up a new "I18n Kit C (FR)" child kit and will post the image to the OP shortly, but (A) I doubt that it would/will make MOQ on its own and (B) it shares very few keys with the other international layouts (those pesky num row keys with the number legends on top!) so it's not really suitable for inclusion in other kits. I guess that's why I've never seen FR support in custom caps.
It must be tough being a keycap enthusiast in FR... :(
Well thanks for doing the work,
And yeah it's difficult... its go blank or go home ...
Post by: Data on Mon, 29 February 2016, 14:52:44
Post by: Liocer on Tue, 01 March 2016, 13:33:23
Edit: was looking on my phone. I see the Planck stuff now. Maybe it's just me but do you think we could include " in the darker shade. Otherwise I could just dub a blank but I think it's a shame more plank sets don't include a " in the same colours as the modifiers.
Wish I could have more votes on the poll. Want to buy green, Amber, 2 mod sets and the ortho set.
Post by: admgc on Tue, 01 March 2016, 17:25:32
Still loving this. WANT TO BUY.
:thumb:
Post by: admgc on Tue, 01 March 2016, 17:28:08
Maybe it's just me but do you think we could include " in the darker shade
Yeah, seems reasonable. Everything I'm seeing shows the ' key is in that right edge position alongside the mods. That what you mean?
Post by: Liocer on Wed, 02 March 2016, 00:12:14
Maybe it's just me but do you think we could include " in the darker shade
Yeah, seems reasonable. Everything I'm seeing shows the ' key is in that right edge position alongside the mods. That what you mean?
Yep exactly
Post by: Data on Wed, 02 March 2016, 15:09:42
Post by: Liocer on Wed, 02 March 2016, 15:29:40
Quote key is a character-producing key. Seems odd to have it in the same color as the mods. Are you using it on the extreme edge of your Planck? (hence the color match w/ mods)
Yep it's part of the default layout in that position. Note the missing key in the ortho group for this keyset.
Edit: with example:
Post by: b0f0 on Fri, 18 March 2016, 07:49:17
already voted, also it support ergodox ! yes !
If this comes to massdrop as a drop I want to buy it.
Post by: -musubi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:22:49
Post by: Data on Sat, 19 March 2016, 18:36:56
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Mon, 21 March 2016, 03:54:32
Buying this or the Yuri set. Whichever comes on sale first. :cool:
Getting both...they are must haves!! ;)
Post by: harlw on Thu, 24 March 2016, 09:06:18
Post by: Bumbibear on Mon, 04 April 2016, 05:51:20
Is it done yet :p
Any type of update? 200 votes has been reached on MD but there doesn't seem to be any quotes towards contacting SP or PMK ?
What is there to be done?
Post by: undefinedmechanicalmind on Mon, 04 April 2016, 13:03:24
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Mon, 04 April 2016, 19:04:58
Is it done yet :p
Any type of update? 200 votes has been reached on MD but there doesn't seem to be any quotes towards contacting SP or PMK ?
What is there to be done?
Since when do they run another set when 200 requests are made? I've been waiting on 3 different MDs that all have over 1000 requests. Very frustrating. It's almost like the demand is greater than the supply to drive prices up. ....
200 votes doesn't guarantee that it will drop, it's just the minimum to be considered. There are a few other sets that are inline first, Jukebox is one of them which should drop next month. Also, they won't run multiple SA sets at a time, iirc.
Post by: undefinedmechanicalmind on Mon, 04 April 2016, 19:18:18
Thanks, do you know this from experience, or is there a list somewhere? How do we know jukebox is next? Those guys at signature plastics must only have like two injection molds machines. How could this possibly take so long? An no one else in the entire world is willing to make custom SA keycaps ?Is it done yet
Any type of update? 200 votes has been reached on MD but there doesn't seem to be any quotes towards contacting SP or PMK ?
What is there to be done?Since when do they run another set when 200 requests are made? I've been waiting on 3 different MDs that all have over 1000 requests. Very frustrating. It's almost like the demand is greater than the supply to drive prices up. ....
200 votes doesn't guarantee that it will drop, it's just the minimum to be considered. There are a few other sets that are inline first, Jukebox is one of them which should drop next month. Also, they won't run multiple SA sets at a time, iirc.
** flabbergasted **
Post by: Data on Mon, 04 April 2016, 19:59:08
I'm honestly not sure why Jukebox needs to run again so soon, but I'm not the one calling the shots at Massdrop. There must be a ridiculous demand for it.
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Mon, 04 April 2016, 22:02:07
Thanks, do you know this from experience, or is there a list somewhere? How do we know jukebox is next? Those guys at signature plastics must only have like two injection molds machines. How could this possibly take so long? An no one else in the entire world is willing to make custom SA keycaps ?Is it done yet
Any type of update? 200 votes has been reached on MD but there doesn't seem to be any quotes towards contacting SP or PMK ?
What is there to be done?Since when do they run another set when 200 requests are made? I've been waiting on 3 different MDs that all have over 1000 requests. Very frustrating. It's almost like the demand is greater than the supply to drive prices up. ....
200 votes doesn't guarantee that it will drop, it's just the minimum to be considered. There are a few other sets that are inline first, Jukebox is one of them which should drop next month. Also, they won't run multiple SA sets at a time, iirc.
** flabbergasted **
Custom sets for the enthusiast market are only a very small portion of Signature Plastic's business.
Here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71508.0) is the Jukebox thread, there was an update from livingspeedbump on the last page. Tentatively in May
Also, Jukebox was listed on the status page (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/) over on PMK at one point. But they do have a bit of a backlog with sets that have already been sold on MD.
Post by: undefinedmechanicalmind on Mon, 04 April 2016, 22:43:21
Signature Plastics is the only manufacturer who produces key caps in SA profile. I don't know that they hold any patents but they're the only ones with the molds so interpret that as you will. Nobody else seems interested in investing in the molds to produce SA for a sub-niche market. Can you blame them? And it takes months to produce a set in the quantities we've seen recently, so get used to waiting or start liking other profiles. Those are your options... for now.
I'm honestly not sure why Jukebox needs to run again so soon, but I'm not the one calling the shots at Massdrop. There must be a ridiculous demand for it.
Well as of this date, massdrop jukebox page says:
" 1183 users have requested this product."
I feel like the market has recently graduated from sub-niche to niche but maybe that's just wishful thinking. Regardless, SA has significantly underestimated the demand. It's time for another option , we need another plastics company to step up. I've experimented with 3D printing and mold making, and neither of these options are efficient for producing thousands of keycaps.
I spoke with a plastics company in Brooklyn last week and he told me the start up costs are exceeding $50,000 buying plastics mixing colors, make all the molds, so I understand the reluctance. it's the New Yorker in me that says " I want it, so it must be available"
As for the possible patent, seriously doubt it, but would love to know if it has any merit, as my schemes will then have to include redesigning the whole keyset!
I think this is new thread. Where should i post to get some interest in starting an alternative SA keycap manufacturer? I can't be the only one scratching his head
Post by: Data on Tue, 05 April 2016, 13:38:19
Signature Plastics is the only manufacturer who produces key caps in SA profile. I don't know that they hold any patents but they're the only ones with the molds so interpret that as you will. Nobody else seems interested in investing in the molds to produce SA for a sub-niche market. Can you blame them? And it takes months to produce a set in the quantities we've seen recently, so get used to waiting or start liking other profiles. Those are your options... for now.
I'm honestly not sure why Jukebox needs to run again so soon, but I'm not the one calling the shots at Massdrop. There must be a ridiculous demand for it.
Well as of this date, massdrop jukebox page says:
" 1183 users have requested this product."
I feel like the market has recently graduated from sub-niche to niche but maybe that's just wishful thinking. Regardless, SA has significantly underestimated the demand. It's time for another option , we need another plastics company to step up. I've experimented with 3D printing and mold making, and neither of these options are efficient for producing thousands of keycaps.
I spoke with a plastics company in Brooklyn last week and he told me the start up costs are exceeding $50,000 buying plastics mixing colors, make all the molds, so I understand the reluctance. it's the New Yorker in me that says " I want it, so it must be available"
As for the possible patent, seriously doubt it, but would love to know if it has any merit, as my schemes will then have to include redesigning the whole keyset!
I think this is new thread. Where should i post to get some interest in starting an alternative SA keycap manufacturer? I can't be the only one scratching his head
The general Keyboards or Keycaps forums would be a good place to start.
We got a new plastics partner recently: JT Keycaps. They're working with Bunnylake and CtrlAlt exclusively right now, and only in the Cherry profile. But it's a start. Perhaps down the road (years not months) they might be willing to expand into other profiles. These things take time.
I'll give you that the timing seems ideal for some additional competition, at least from the consumer perspective.
Post by: hoeppy on Fri, 06 May 2016, 13:52:11
I love this set.
Post by: LunarisDream on Fri, 06 May 2016, 13:57:43
Is it done yet :p
Any type of update? 200 votes has been reached on MD but there doesn't seem to be any quotes towards contacting SP or PMK ?
What is there to be done?
The votes don't mean MD will contact SP for reproduction; they're just there for cap designers to tentatively gauge interest when deciding to rerun sets.
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 06 May 2016, 18:33:10
Since when do they run another set when 200 requests are made? I've been waiting on 3 different MDs that all have over 1000 requests. Very frustrating. It's almost like the demand is greater than the supply to drive prices up. ....
MassDrop don't rerun sets based on those rerun requests. That feature may work for other things but for these sets. MassDrop wait until the set creator gets new pricing information from SP and works with MassDrop to set up a new run. Sets like Pulse round 2 and the last Granite run are such examples.
Post by: zabuza1997 on Tue, 28 June 2016, 19:44:38
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 28 June 2016, 19:49:58
Bump!!!! How come people can forget this incredible work :mad:
I haven't forgotten. Just waiting patiently until interest gets fired up again. ;)
Post by: gutsack on Tue, 28 June 2016, 19:51:04
Post by: Dadrophenia on Tue, 28 June 2016, 20:10:11
Post by: juahenza on Tue, 28 June 2016, 20:49:52
Post by: shower_king on Wed, 29 June 2016, 00:08:25
Post by: Data on Wed, 29 June 2016, 06:18:16
Remember to vote in the Massdrop poll (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/-New-Green-Screen-Amber-Screen-SA-ABS-Keycap-Sets). Keeping the spotlight on this set is the only way it will get made.
Post by: Bumbibear on Wed, 29 June 2016, 07:23:52
OP hasn't even signed in since March. Unless he already has an arrangement with Massdrop it doesn't seem like this set will happen this year.
Remember to vote in the Massdrop poll (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/-New-Green-Screen-Amber-Screen-SA-ABS-Keycap-Sets). Keeping the spotlight on this set is the only way it will get made.
He answered atleast comments on the MD poll a month ago, but yeah.. doubt it will drop this year since SP's schedule looks pretty full!
Post by: SBJ on Wed, 29 June 2016, 07:32:04
This looks like it's simple enough to fit on a few of my boards. Very interested. :thumb:
Post by: tacnificent on Wed, 29 June 2016, 10:34:42
Post by: diqkiq on Wed, 29 June 2016, 11:27:14
Post by: glyakk on Wed, 29 June 2016, 18:59:33
Post by: duhhey on Wed, 29 June 2016, 19:01:24
Post by: maximm on Fri, 01 July 2016, 11:47:19
Post by: mr.squishy on Sun, 17 July 2016, 18:04:30
Post by: Bumbibear on Mon, 18 July 2016, 04:16:19
Not sure if it has been mentioned, but i am sure us Swedes has the € on the letter E, not the 5/% symbol.
it's actually in both places - so to be able to get more compatible layouts it's often not printed on the E cap - since SA caps also has pretty big font which would maybe make it impossible to fit the € symbol on it.
Post by: Parzival on Sat, 23 July 2016, 20:04:32
Post by: sinetwo on Thu, 25 August 2016, 07:29:28
Post by: admgc on Tue, 18 October 2016, 17:56:40
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 18 October 2016, 18:04:56
OP here. Just letting everyone know I'm still around. Thanks for all the MD poll votes, it's almost up to 700.
Necro your own thread... :thumb: Let's wake this sucker up!!
Post by: zacheadams on Tue, 18 October 2016, 19:24:28
OP here. Just letting everyone know I'm still around. Thanks for all the MD poll votes, it's almost up to 700.
I'm sure there's a lot of renewed interest with people wanting to match up with the most recent Bro sale. It's a cool set on its own too.
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 18 October 2016, 19:56:19
I'm sure there's a lot of renewed interest with people wanting to match up with the most recent Bro sale. It's a cool set on its own too.
True. It is a cool set on its own also yes.
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Tue, 18 October 2016, 20:46:17
It's looking like VCM legends are the most literal, but some of the others look good too. Thoughts?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LCsqjTi.png)
VCM is perfect. First thought with the initial post was that the green there is too yellow. I remember these as green-green!
Post by: Jumie on Wed, 19 October 2016, 04:59:49
Post by: PCG on Wed, 19 October 2016, 06:14:06
Post by: Data on Wed, 19 October 2016, 06:17:00
OP here. Just letting everyone know I'm still around. Thanks for all the MD poll votes, it's almost up to 700.
Nice. Welcome back.
Post by: Oatburner on Wed, 19 October 2016, 07:32:52
Post by: phinix on Wed, 19 October 2016, 20:42:47
What if someone wants to buy amber in UK ISO?
Post by: FuriousGeorge on Thu, 20 October 2016, 16:17:34
So we have green UK ISO, but no amber UK ISO - why is that again?
What if someone wants to buy amber in UK ISO?
I'd guess it will probably have difficulty meeting MOQ if they are separated. ISO isn't usually a huge seller. I'd suspect it's better to have both colors in one set if both are going to be offered.
Post by: feediko on Fri, 21 October 2016, 19:46:03
The german 3 key should have a § instead of the pound character.
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 15 November 2016, 06:02:15
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 16 November 2016, 06:48:38
Post by: phinix on Fri, 18 November 2016, 20:09:10
So we have green UK ISO, but no amber UK ISO - why is that again?
What if someone wants to buy amber in UK ISO?
I'd guess it will probably have difficulty meeting MOQ if they are separated. ISO isn't usually a huge seller. I'd suspect it's better to have both colors in one set if both are going to be offered.
Well, I agree - both colors in one is fine - as long as we will get both colors in ISO.
Post by: Special K on Sun, 20 November 2016, 21:12:16
Post by: diqkiq on Wed, 08 February 2017, 21:16:17
Post by: TheNamesTy45 on Wed, 08 February 2017, 22:31:06
Post by: Data on Tue, 07 March 2017, 13:59:42
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 08 March 2017, 00:05:30
OP hasn't logged on in 5 months. I'm guessing this one is dead. I wonder if he would mind someone else picking it up...
It's always possible for someone else to step in and carry the buy forward. That said, the SA doubleshot backlog is currently at a year and MassDrop doesn't seem to be accepting new SA sets right now. This one's on hiatus for quite a while regardless.
Post by: P1kas on Wed, 08 March 2017, 00:24:36
Post by: diqkiq on Sat, 11 March 2017, 08:51:59
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Thu, 23 March 2017, 00:11:33
OP hasn't logged on in 5 months. I'm guessing this one is dead. I wonder if he would mind someone else picking it up...
+1
Post by: phinix on Fri, 20 October 2017, 11:03:43
Post by: harlw on Fri, 20 October 2017, 11:22:49
Any news? Is this going to be made?
Doubt it - he hasn't replied to my emails. If I got his blessing I'd see about running it.
Post by: ojrask on Fri, 20 October 2017, 16:13:21
Post by: harlw on Fri, 20 October 2017, 16:20:33
Wow this looks awesome. Shame it seems dead. Anyone up for taking this to Maxkeys if it is OK with the original IC author?
I emailed him again - we'll see what he says.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 20 October 2017, 17:29:19
Wow this looks awesome. Shame it seems dead. Anyone up for taking this to Maxkeys if it is OK with the original IC author?
Could people please stop trying to move everything to MaxKeys... if you want a nice set, do it properly and don't rush things.
Post by: ojrask on Sat, 21 October 2017, 05:51:15
Could people please stop trying to move everything to MaxKeys... if you want a nice set, do it properly and don't rush things.No rushing intended.
I have not heard other complaints about MaxKeys other than lack of layouts (and the funky but now fixed legends), which can presumably be talked about with MaxKeys. I have not owned a set so I might be missing something, have your MaxKeys sets had flaws?
I am OK with good old SP SA as well in case MaxKeys has issues in fulfilling visions. :)
Post by: Wolf123rt on Sat, 21 October 2017, 06:50:07
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 21 October 2017, 08:37:16
Could people please stop trying to move everything to MaxKeys... if you want a nice set, do it properly and don't rush things.No rushing intended.
I have not heard other complaints about MaxKeys other than lack of layouts (and the funky but now fixed legends), which can presumably be talked about with MaxKeys. I have not owned a set so I might be missing something, have your MaxKeys sets had flaws?
I am OK with good old SP SA as well in case MaxKeys has issues in fulfilling visions. :)
Finish is different and shape is not to my liking either
Post by: ojrask on Sat, 21 October 2017, 09:24:42
Could people please stop trying to move everything to MaxKeys... if you want a nice set, do it properly and don't rush things.No rushing intended.
I have not heard other complaints about MaxKeys other than lack of layouts (and the funky but now fixed legends), which can presumably be talked about with MaxKeys. I have not owned a set so I might be missing something, have your MaxKeys sets had flaws?
I am OK with good old SP SA as well in case MaxKeys has issues in fulfilling visions. :)
Finish is different and shape is not to my liking either
I knew the finish was a bit different, but didn't know the profile is not 1-to-1. Or do you mean legend shapes?
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 21 October 2017, 10:29:08
Could people please stop trying to move everything to MaxKeys... if you want a nice set, do it properly and don't rush things.No rushing intended.
I have not heard other complaints about MaxKeys other than lack of layouts (and the funky but now fixed legends), which can presumably be talked about with MaxKeys. I have not owned a set so I might be missing something, have your MaxKeys sets had flaws?
I am OK with good old SP SA as well in case MaxKeys has issues in fulfilling visions. :)
Finish is different and shape is not to my liking either
I knew the finish was a bit different, but didn't know the profile is not 1-to-1. Or do you mean legend shapes?
No, SP SA has slightly more rounded off edges of the touch surface, while MaxKeys is a sharper edge and corner, a bit more 'cubic' if that makes sense. I own a copy of WoB MaxKeys and it's quite noticeable IMO, and I simply prefer SP's more glossy round finish
MaxKeys Miami Night:
(https://i.redd.it/dmlprokpcbpz.jpg)
SP SA Pulse
(https://i.redd.it/zq5bthffqlrz.jpg)
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 21 October 2017, 10:36:41
Wow this looks awesome. Shame it seems dead. Anyone up for taking this to Maxkeys if it is OK with the original IC author?
Could people please stop trying to move everything to MaxKeys... if you want a nice set, do it properly and don't rush things.
So true. I’ve been kind of disappointed with everyone flocking to MaxKeys. Lack of layout support and lesser quality just so people can get sets in their hands is diluting the market. I agree...do it properly and don’t rush it.
Post by: ojrask on Sat, 21 October 2017, 11:25:53
Could people please stop trying to move everything to MaxKeys... if you want a nice set, do it properly and don't rush things.No rushing intended.
I have not heard other complaints about MaxKeys other than lack of layouts (and the funky but now fixed legends), which can presumably be talked about with MaxKeys. I have not owned a set so I might be missing something, have your MaxKeys sets had flaws?
I am OK with good old SP SA as well in case MaxKeys has issues in fulfilling visions. :)
Finish is different and shape is not to my liking either
I knew the finish was a bit different, but didn't know the profile is not 1-to-1. Or do you mean legend shapes?
No, SP SA has slightly more rounded off edges of the touch surface, while MaxKeys is a sharper edge and corner, a bit more 'cubic' if that makes sense. I own a copy of WoB MaxKeys and it's quite noticeable IMO, and I simply prefer SP's more glossy round finish
MaxKeys Miami Night:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/dmlprokpcbpz.jpg)
SP SA PulseShow Image(https://i.redd.it/zq5bthffqlrz.jpg)
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Makes sense. It is a shame they named the profile SA while it looks and feels so different.
That in mind I would take back my suggestion of Green Screen going with MaxKeys to keep it true to the original IC. Need to buy a MaxKeys set myself to see how it works.
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 21 October 2017, 12:28:31
Could people please stop trying to move everything to MaxKeys... if you want a nice set, do it properly and don't rush things.No rushing intended.
I have not heard other complaints about MaxKeys other than lack of layouts (and the funky but now fixed legends), which can presumably be talked about with MaxKeys. I have not owned a set so I might be missing something, have your MaxKeys sets had flaws?
I am OK with good old SP SA as well in case MaxKeys has issues in fulfilling visions. :)
Finish is different and shape is not to my liking either
I knew the finish was a bit different, but didn't know the profile is not 1-to-1. Or do you mean legend shapes?
No, SP SA has slightly more rounded off edges of the touch surface, while MaxKeys is a sharper edge and corner, a bit more 'cubic' if that makes sense. I own a copy of WoB MaxKeys and it's quite noticeable IMO, and I simply prefer SP's more glossy round finish
MaxKeys Miami Night:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/dmlprokpcbpz.jpg)
SP SA PulseShow Image(https://i.redd.it/zq5bthffqlrz.jpg)
It is a shame they named the profile SA while it looks and feels so different.
That's on the community, they chose to call it that. IMO it should be 'MK SetName' instead of SA, but its too late for that now. It's also going to be a pain on the aftermarket to discern between manufacturers, e.g. Calm Depths will soon be both SP and MaxKeys, but both is referred to "SA Calm Depths"
Post by: Wolf123rt on Sat, 21 October 2017, 12:47:04
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 21 October 2017, 12:56:35
Maxkeys calm depths has a matte finish unlike SP which has a glossy finish so you will be able to tell the difference
I know that the people that care about the difference will be able to tell the sets apart. But if someone sells "SA Calm Depths" on mechmarket and has a timestamp of a plastic bag filled with keycaps... not as easy. In real life, piece of cake.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 21 October 2017, 19:58:16
Could people please stop trying to move everything to MaxKeys... if you want a nice set, do it properly and don't rush things.No rushing intended.
I have not heard other complaints about MaxKeys other than lack of layouts (and the funky but now fixed legends), which can presumably be talked about with MaxKeys. I have not owned a set so I might be missing something, have your MaxKeys sets had flaws?
I am OK with good old SP SA as well in case MaxKeys has issues in fulfilling visions. :)
Finish is different and shape is not to my liking either
I knew the finish was a bit different, but didn't know the profile is not 1-to-1. Or do you mean legend shapes?
No, SP SA has slightly more rounded off edges of the touch surface, while MaxKeys is a sharper edge and corner, a bit more 'cubic' if that makes sense. I own a copy of WoB MaxKeys and it's quite noticeable IMO, and I simply prefer SP's more glossy round finish
MaxKeys Miami Night:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/dmlprokpcbpz.jpg)
SP SA PulseShow Image(https://i.redd.it/zq5bthffqlrz.jpg)
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Makes sense. It is a shame they named the profile SA while it looks and feels so different.
That in mind I would take back my suggestion of Green Screen going with MaxKeys to keep it true to the original IC. Need to buy a MaxKeys set myself to see how it works.
It is a shame they are calling in SA.
Post by: Sputnik on Sun, 22 October 2017, 13:17:07
Post by: kmba on Sun, 22 October 2017, 14:43:16
Post by: derezzed on Sun, 22 October 2017, 21:24:18
Any news? Is this going to be made?
Doubt it - he hasn't replied to my emails. If I got his blessing I'd see about running it.
That would be awesome, but I'm not holding my breath. Didn't the OP move to Europe for work?
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 14 March 2018, 19:06:55
(https://i.imgur.com/Cj8yrg6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/O84GVnf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/REpK0gd.jpg)
In April of 2017 I first contacted Adam via E-Mail, where he expressed his wish to open-source this project and give anyone free reign to continue working on it. Not much has happened since as he appears to be busy with life, so a few weeks ago I spent some free time on re-working this set into a more modern form as the nature of SA GB's has evolved quite a bit since this project was last updated.
I created an array of kits that would suit a MD buy as OP intended to have, and I see good chances of it ending up there finally. I then sent those to Adam again on Sunday and we had a small exchange again today. He suggested he would take a backseat position and let me lead the pen from now on. He has now given me expressed permission to do that, thank you very much for trusting me with this project!
(https://i.imgur.com/sPh1FfE.png)
I have made 2 significant changes to the original design:
- I changed the profile to 112343 as opposed to 112344. This is mainly due to the fact that Planck and 40% keyboards would have a R3 bottom row for ergonomic reasons in either case (barely any such keyboards have an angle that a R4 bottom row would compliment). A R3 bottom row makes things easier with expanded compatibility and versatility of the arrows from both the Alphas and the Arrows kit.
- Secondly, I chose to re-use SA Oblivion's ASM legends on Planck/40%/Ergodox as I felt they are very appropriate for this theme, and solve a lot of issues those kits usually have (no duplicate Ergodox kit, no plethora of extra kits to cover various legends on Planck/40% etc).
Please let me know how you feel about these changes, and tell me what else you'd like to see improved upon.
Lastly, I would like to gather ideas for the novelties kit. Currently it's rather bleak, lot's of room to improve here. t0mb3ry has offered to help create vector work for this part, so please let us hear your ideas!
Here is one he had for a return key.
(https://i.imgur.com/jNjsuRR.png)
Without further ado, the before mentioned array of kits:
(https://i.imgur.com/digAbrJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eFCiO00.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RckUGJR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Pv1Lo7o.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/bE9DjYG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uOnycbc.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/78im5Ed.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/bOWZfl3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/veAFXGF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mSLDNag.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/iztgfCY.jpg)
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Thank you for your time!
Post by: Valaris on Wed, 14 March 2018, 19:15:44
Post by: dsaf on Wed, 14 March 2018, 19:32:39
Please let me know how you feel about these changes, and tell me what else you'd like to see improved upon.
Lastly, I would like to gather ideas for the novelties kit. Currently it's rather bleak, lot's of room to improve here. t0mb3ry has offered to help create vector work for this part, so please let us hear your ideas!
1. Not sure about profile change.
2. More ISO love in terms of novelties.
3. Novelties (boring ideas): 5.25 floppy disk, invader, pacman/ghost (unless copyright problems), command line (like SA RetroBlight).
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Wed, 14 March 2018, 20:12:31
Would like to see a different color for the mods nonetheless. Not sure what color, but maybe others can chime in.
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Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 14 March 2018, 21:20:16
Not a fan of the base color for the mods. Would prefer if it was same color as alphas, but then the set would turn into SA terminal (which I have zero problems with, and would encourage).
Would like to see a different color for the mods nonetheless. Not sure what color, but maybe others can chime in.
Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk
Are you seriously encouraging him to copy others' works for your own benefits and convenience?
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 14 March 2018, 21:22:10
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Wed, 14 March 2018, 21:30:30
Worth a shot ;)Not a fan of the base color for the mods. Would prefer if it was same color as alphas, but then the set would turn into SA terminal (which I have zero problems with, and would encourage).
Would like to see a different color for the mods nonetheless. Not sure what color, but maybe others can chime in.
Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk
Are you seriously encouraging him to copy others' works for your own benefits and convenience?
Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Wed, 14 March 2018, 21:40:51
Well at least he's honest about it :))Worth a shot ;)Not a fan of the base color for the mods. Would prefer if it was same color as alphas, but then the set would turn into SA terminal (which I have zero problems with, and would encourage).
Would like to see a different color for the mods nonetheless. Not sure what color, but maybe others can chime in.
Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk
Are you seriously encouraging him to copy others' works for your own benefits and convenience?
Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 14 March 2018, 22:08:29
Post by: Fooblitzky on Thu, 15 March 2018, 05:14:27
Thank you.
Post by: ojrask on Thu, 15 March 2018, 11:13:18
Post by: diqkiq on Fri, 16 March 2018, 00:01:59
It's good to see this still alive.
Post by: lemur on Fri, 16 March 2018, 02:51:57
Perhaps it has been said before -- but I do not see much of a point for the 'Amber' variant.. looks so much the same.... small benefit perhaps things may end up with cheaper by ditching it and letting everything hit a higher amount of purchases.
I'd ditch the 'SHIFT' key in the numpad kit and replace it with Fn, or some other generic word, or even a blank, as it'd fit a greater variety of numpads, which start to get weird once youre past the escape/backspace key.. (I wish theyd all standardize on something for that extra row)
Post by: Data on Fri, 16 March 2018, 14:51:34
I can't believe this project lives. I thought it was dead forever.
Brilliant job, as always, Oblotzky.
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 16 March 2018, 15:18:57
Post by: beekey on Fri, 16 March 2018, 16:28:44
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 16 March 2018, 16:51:20
https://www.strawpoll.me/15285482/
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Fri, 16 March 2018, 18:47:28
Vote for sculpt here. Please keep in mind that going with 112344 would result in less versatility of Arrows, they would no longer be possible to use in HHKB style or on WASD cluster for example. Also R4 1.75u Control would be added to Specialties to maintain Filco Minila coverage.Voted
https://www.strawpoll.me/15285482/
Versatility matters a lot to me so the choice is easy, thanks for opening a poll to help end this argument.
Post by: nathanchere on Sun, 18 March 2018, 08:07:32
Not a fan of the base color for the mods. Would prefer if it was same color as alphas, but then the set would turn into SA terminal (which I have zero problems with, and would encourage).
Would like to see a different color for the mods nonetheless. Not sure what color, but maybe others can chime in.
Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk
Are you seriously encouraging him to copy others' works for your own benefits and convenience?
Are you seriously saying organising a set of keys gives you exclusive rights over keys in anything resembling the same colours? :rolleyes:
Copying actual designs (e.g. artisan rip-offs) is one thing. Anyone who thinks they have a claim over a particular combination of colours needs to grow up.
Post by: nathanchere on Sun, 18 March 2018, 08:20:55
3. Novelties (boring ideas): 5.25 floppy disk, invader, pacman/ghost (unless copyright problems), command line (like SA RetroBlight).
Instead of a Win/Hyper/whatever key:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1117966756/MS-DOS_icon_400x400.png)
Also +1 for the 5 1/4" disk
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 28 March 2018, 17:22:25
(https://i.imgur.com/8ZlyyT4.png)
Post by: Norde on Sat, 31 March 2018, 04:34:14
Post by: young_won on Mon, 23 April 2018, 00:33:21
Post by: M on Mon, 23 April 2018, 00:39:28
Post by: valniro on Wed, 02 May 2018, 14:07:06
Still, I just can't see the modifiers color matching with the alphas and I totally agree with the suggestion of having green modifiers, they would fit a lot better (and honestly, who cares if it is similar to Terminal, it's not like there's copyright on colors combinations).
I would also love a full black version, with the modifiers of the same color of the alphas.
Please consider that, I would be definitely in in that case!
Keep up the good work!
Post by: forevermadrigal on Sun, 17 June 2018, 06:09:00
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 17 June 2018, 06:36:52
In the meantime, please check out the novelties engicoder created for the set! Please voice any feedback you have
(https://i.imgur.com/TIJQin5.png)
Post by: kyoumau on Sun, 17 June 2018, 13:14:12
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/SzU4XLs.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Cj8yrg6.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/O84GVnf.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/REpK0gd.jpg)
In April of 2017 I first contacted Adam via E-Mail, where he expressed his wish to open-source this project and give anyone free reign to continue working on it. Not much has happened since as he appears to be busy with life, so a few weeks ago I spent some free time on re-working this set into a more modern form as the nature of SA GB's has evolved quite a bit since this project was last updated.
I created an array of kits that would suit a MD buy as OP intended to have, and I see good chances of it ending up there finally. I then sent those to Adam again on Sunday and we had a small exchange again today. He suggested he would take a backseat position and let me lead the pen from now on. He has now given me expressed permission to do that, thank you very much for trusting me with this project!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sPh1FfE.png)
I have made 2 significant changes to the original design:
- I changed the profile to 112343 as opposed to 112344. This is mainly due to the fact that Planck and 40% keyboards would have a R3 bottom row for ergonomic reasons in either case (barely any such keyboards have an angle that a R4 bottom row would compliment). A R3 bottom row makes things easier with expanded compatibility and versatility of the arrows from both the Alphas and the Arrows kit.
- Secondly, I chose to re-use SA Oblivion's ASM legends on Planck/40%/Ergodox as I felt they are very appropriate for this theme, and solve a lot of issues those kits usually have (no duplicate Ergodox kit, no plethora of extra kits to cover various legends on Planck/40% etc).
Please let me know how you feel about these changes, and tell me what else you'd like to see improved upon.
Lastly, I would like to gather ideas for the novelties kit. Currently it's rather bleak, lot's of room to improve here. t0mb3ry has offered to help create vector work for this part, so please let us hear your ideas!
Here is one he had for a return key.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jNjsuRR.png)
Without further ado, the before mentioned array of kits:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/digAbrJ.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/eFCiO00.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RckUGJR.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Pv1Lo7o.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/bE9DjYG.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/uOnycbc.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/78im5Ed.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/bOWZfl3.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/veAFXGF.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mSLDNag.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/iztgfCY.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CQPg4KA.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/crA2cMd.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/PBorq3W.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4pDtj8t.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/oCGkfIo.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fn2FW6L.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/exIqpcp.jpg)
Thank you for your time!
That's the best modifiers kit, for my needings, that I've seen in my 5 months old obsession with mechanical keyboards and SA profile.
Post by: harlw on Mon, 18 June 2018, 11:32:11
I approve.
I should have some news on when this is happening soon :)
In the meantime, please check out the novelties engicoder created for the set! Please voice any feedback you haveShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/TIJQin5.png)
Post by: dsaf on Mon, 18 June 2018, 15:10:51
I should have some news on when this is happening soon :)
In the meantime, please check out the novelties engicoder created for the set! Please voice any feedback you haveShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/TIJQin5.png)
It looks very good already! Just some minor observations maybe:
1) Some detailing might be too small for injection moulding? E.g. tiny dots on the floppy disk and thin lines and knobs on displays.
2) Might be better to spell "green scr" and "amber scr", otherwise it will look crammed. Also it would be interesting to have these as green / amber on gray - like a signature key.
3) It would be good to have more of floppy disk 1.25 novelties. It would be a challenge to find a place for an R3 1U novelties on a TKL. I would do each bottom R3 novelty in 1.25 as a most common size across all layouts, and keep existing 1u and 1.50u as is.
PS: it would be good to add just one little tiny ISO Enter in Green New Line novelty :).
PPS: what about styling community keys to the theme? E.g. current RMK key was drawn for Carbon SA if I am not mistaken.
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 19 June 2018, 09:39:04
I should have some news on when this is happening soon :)
In the meantime, please check out the novelties engicoder created for the set! Please voice any feedback you haveShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/TIJQin5.png)
It looks very good already! Just some minor observations maybe:
1) Some detailing might be too small for injection moulding? E.g. tiny dots on the floppy disk and thin lines and knobs on displays.
2) Might be better to spell "green scr" and "amber scr", otherwise it will look crammed. Also it would be interesting to have these as green / amber on gray - like a signature key.
3) It would be good to have more of floppy disk 1.25 novelties. It would be a challenge to find a place for an R3 1U novelties on a TKL. I would do each bottom R3 novelty in 1.25 as a most common size across all layouts, and keep existing 1u and 1.50u as is.
PS: it would be good to add just one little tiny ISO Enter in Green New Line novelty :).
PPS: what about styling community keys to the theme? E.g. current RMK key was drawn for Carbon SA if I am not mistaken.
1) Yup, engicoder reworked a few of them, check out the updated kit below!
2) Agreed, I went for SCRN, dropping just the vowels.
3) IMO the floppy wouldn't fit on the 1.25u as good since it's rather square. I think the current lineup of 2x 1u, 4x1.25u and 2x1.5u novelties is a good balance, as you mentioned 1.25u is the most common bottom row key.
4) Then I'd also need to add a beige ISO key, and they are rather expensive, adding 8$ or so to the kit. I think I'd rather make NEW LINE the default text on the return keys and not have it be a novelty.
5) Good point, I'll look into it.
On with the big news!
We will be launching the set on Massdrop come July, so about 2 weeks roughly.
New renders:
(https://i.imgur.com/L415FSb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5gnFpBp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bdk81KB.jpg)
Changelog for kits:
- Dropped Extension kit, just one nice Modifiers kit now. SA Oblivion just came out and people are already running after leftover extension kits. I'd like to do things different and include all essential specialties in the regular mods.
- Updated Novelties kit
- Dropped accent keys from tenkeyless.asm kit, concerned about price as it wasn't really a smash hit in Oblivion (barely got to 75 units), this move should easily save 15$. I'd rather have it affordable, and I think having the keys in the same color suits the purpose best. You can use accent arrow keys and novelty R1 1u keys instead.
- Added Vim kit with permission of potatowire, thanks!
(https://i.imgur.com/176027m.jpg)
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Post by: Starius on Tue, 19 June 2018, 10:31:47
I'll definitely be in.
Post by: ARSLOCK on Tue, 19 June 2018, 12:16:41
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 19 June 2018, 12:37:39
I really like the alphas on this, but not a huge fan of the mods. Any chance of getting GQM or VAT colored mods?
I'll leave that to TheKeyCompany should they want to pursue Terminal in SA profile.
Post by: kyoumau on Tue, 19 June 2018, 12:56:29
I really like the alphas on this, but not a huge fan of the mods. Any chance of getting GQM or VAT colored mods?
I think the green on Troubled Minds is VAT too, so maybe the TKL kit can match with the green screen alphas.
Post by: SingSong on Tue, 19 June 2018, 15:40:56
Post by: dsaf on Tue, 19 June 2018, 16:06:27
3) IMO the floppy wouldn't fit on the 1.25u as good since it's rather square. I think the current lineup of 2x 1u, 4x1.25u and 2x1.5u novelties is a good balance, as you mentioned 1.25u is the most common bottom row key.
1.25u novelties that just use the centre part are quite common (Carbon/Nuntucket/1965 etc.) so it would not look too crazy, though I do love when the whole surface is used - understand your perspective as well.
Would you be opposed to having 1u R3 floppy in green on black as well? I was thinking of putting it instead of the S[ave] alpha key, my Carbon has L[ambda] and G[raphene] keys as beige novelties :).
Also have you considered duplicating just the command line 1.25 key to make it possible to achieve symmetry for those people who like it?
Would it be possible to have an Amber NorDeUk stretch-goal kit added after kick-off in the unlikely scenario that the Green NorDeUk hits the target easily?
Post by: OracleKev on Tue, 19 June 2018, 20:21:46
Changelog for kits:
- Dropped Extension kit, just one nice Modifiers kit now. SA Oblivion just came out and people are already running after leftover extension kits. I'd like to do things different and include all essential specialties in the regular mods.
- Updated Novelties kit
- Dropped accent keys from tenkeyless.asm kit, concerned about price as it wasn't really a smash hit in Oblivion (barely got to 75 units), this move should easily save 15$. I'd rather have it affordable, and I think having the keys in the same color suits the purpose best. You can use accent arrow keys and novelty R1 1u keys instead.
- Added Vim kit with permission of potatowire, thanks!
Definitely makes sense!
Spacebars kits seem little numerous now. Maybe combine GTT+GQM, VAT (funny tax!) +YBP?
Post by: jmg123 on Wed, 20 June 2018, 01:22:38
Post by: bciamny on Wed, 20 June 2018, 02:04:47
Post by: lzlzh035 on Wed, 20 June 2018, 05:38:17
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 20 June 2018, 05:52:57
Would it be possible to have an Amber NorDeUk stretch-goal kit added after kick-off in the unlikely scenario that the Green NorDeUk hits the target easily?
I will add Amber Colevrak/Amber NorDeUK if: #1 Green versions reach MOQ quickly and #2 Amber Alphas total sales are in good proportion to Green Alphas. So if it takes Green NorDeUK 2 weeks to reach MOQ or Amber Alphas sales are only 25% of Green Alphas, then it doesn't make sense to add those kits.
Post by: Max_P0 on Wed, 20 June 2018, 07:24:37
Post by: Data on Wed, 20 June 2018, 07:50:42
We will be launching the set on Massdrop come July, so about 2 weeks roughly.
(https://i.imgur.com/YYX59Au.gif)
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 20 June 2018, 14:11:00
(https://i.imgur.com/s52YmhB.png)
Post by: Vizir on Thu, 21 June 2018, 10:56:32
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 21 June 2018, 11:01:07
any estimate on when the gb might launch?
Early July, few days after XDA Canvas closed.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Thu, 21 June 2018, 11:19:03
any estimate on when the gb might launch?
Early July, few days after XDA Canvas closed.
I can't wait. I've been lurking on this one since it popped up on here. :D
Post by: achilles_other_heel on Fri, 22 June 2018, 12:41:51
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 24 June 2018, 20:23:38
any estimate on when the gb might launch?
Early July, few days after XDA Canvas closed.
The logos on modifiers (GTT keycaps) are TBN, right?
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 24 June 2018, 23:18:02
(https://craycopy.com/i/https://i.imgur.com/TuaBVLF.png)
if you cannot see it - i.imgur.com/TuaBVLF.png
(https://craycopy.com/i/https://i.imgur.com/Gi1Wo9s.png)
if you cannot see it - i.imgur.com/Gi1Wo9s.png
Post by: Vizir on Thu, 28 June 2018, 17:45:04
edit: nvm. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96340.0
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 28 June 2018, 17:49:28
what happened to all the images?
Imgur blocked Geekhack from Hotlinking images.
Render album here, with 2 more renders for HHKB and 40s/Planck added: https://imgur.com/a/rIrKoM1
Kit album: https://imgur.com/a/bVFPGsB
GB goes live on July 5th on Massdrop.com!
Post by: LastBrat on Mon, 02 July 2018, 06:14:35
Post by: achilles_other_heel on Mon, 02 July 2018, 11:30:26
Ah.. shoot :mad: I was so looking forward to this set, but now the ortho keycap legendss are replaced with something else, it seems I'll have to pass. Too bad.
Why? What's wrong with the assembly legends? I think they are very on theme, plus there are many people who do not use default layouts on their ortho boards anyway so it sort of makes sense. In addition, the change from R4 bottom row to R3 bottom row for ortho trumps any legend difference in my opinion. I feel my keycaps much more than I look at them.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 02 July 2018, 12:02:25
Post by: mr scooty on Mon, 02 July 2018, 12:29:36
When will this go live on MD? Thank you guys.
https://old.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/8uo45d/buying_sa_green_screen_launches_july_5th_on/
July 5th per Oblotzky
Post by: LastBrat on Mon, 02 July 2018, 16:11:30
... I feel my keycaps much more than I look at them.I'm sure most of the users here will agree with you. That's not true for me, though. That's why I'd rather have the legends say what the key does, not something random, which is fine for a few novelty caps.
Post by: iliketimex on Wed, 04 July 2018, 13:20:09
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 04 July 2018, 13:25:04
Surprised to see this nice set revived. Not too sure about the green color but amber set looks great. SP doesn't have a green that matches phosphor green so I guess VAT is the closest to get the intensity right.
Looking at my VAT color chip in hand makes me confident that it'll look splendid nonetheless!
Post by: iliketimex on Wed, 04 July 2018, 13:49:59
Looking at my VAT color chip in hand makes me confident that it'll look splendid nonetheless!
It looks like it matches the rest of the set very well. SP or GMK don't really have "phosphor green" as a stock color, so both this and GMK Terminal get as close as possible, which is reasonable. The amber color here looks dead-on, though. I was really hoping to save more money this year but I guess there is always next year for that.
Post by: dsaf on Fri, 27 July 2018, 02:17:30
Hi, only a few days is left on the Green Screen group buy but nobody from staff is attending the comments section. Would it be possible to clarify whether NorDeUk kit and some other under-performing kits will get funded by Massdrop to reach MOQ or not? Otherwise it's hard to decide whether to pull out on Sunday or not...
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 27 July 2018, 02:18:50
Hi, only a few days is left on the Green Screen group buy but nobody from staff is attending the comments section. Would it be possible to clarify whether NorDeUk kit and some other under-performing kits will get funded by Massdrop to reach MOQ or not? Otherwise it's hard to decide whether to pull out on Sunday or not...
I will look into that today
Post by: fax668 on Fri, 27 July 2018, 03:31:35
Post by: dsaf on Fri, 27 July 2018, 05:30:51
I will look into that today
Thank you - much appreciated regardless of outcome!
Don't pull out because of kits not reaching MOQ. In my experience, you will be offered to cancel your entire order if Massdrop decides not to order a kit. Pulling out prematurely is counter-productive really.
Thanks, still it would be good to have this confirmed. I know the best thing is to always jump in early and leave late (if necessary). However it would suck waiting a year just to sell it on mechmarket (though at a profit).
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 27 July 2018, 10:35:33
This group buy / drop has a dedicated discussion thread in the Group Buys and Preorders section: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96469.0
Please proceed to that thread to discuss the drop, as this section is only for Interest Checks on items that are not yet available for sale. This thread is now being locked.