definitely interested, especially if we can get a high profile alu case. Any chance for alps support?
definitely interested, especially if we can get a high profile alu case. Any chance for alps support?
There's chance for alps support since this PCB is being custom built. I'll definetly talk to design about it. The high profile case will be the one that's crudely rendered at the top. I designed it with 5 degree rise if that matters much. The IC form shows a fair ammount of interest for the alu case so if it doesn't reach 50, I might look into buying the rest.
definitely interested, especially if we can get a high profile alu case. Any chance for alps support?
There's chance for alps support since this PCB is being custom built. I'll definetly talk to design about it. The high profile case will be the one that's crudely rendered at the top. I designed it with 5 degree rise if that matters much. The IC form shows a fair ammount of interest for the alu case so if it doesn't reach 50, I might look into buying the rest.
Hope alps support works out. I've always wanted a monarch, and with this maybe a faux-narch isn't impossible.
****in weird
will consider getting one for the right price
$100-200 is definitely in the range i'd like to see
Interested in High profile Case or CNC like the RS68.
Interested in High profile Case or CNC like the RS68.
If you can, fill out an interest check form. Helps me keep track of what you guys want. The rendered case+plate is what the high profile case will come to look like. 5 degree rise on it. The Case will have edges that come all the way to the bottom of the keycaps like a tada68 or a va68m
definitely interested, especially if we can get a high profile alu case. Any chance for alps support?
There's chance for alps support since this PCB is being custom built. I'll definetly talk to design about it. The high profile case will be the one that's crudely rendered at the top. I designed it with 5 degree rise if that matters much. The IC form shows a fair ammount of interest for the alu case so if it doesn't reach 50, I might look into buying the rest.
Hope alps support works out. I've always wanted a monarch, and with this maybe a faux-narch isn't impossible.
Alright, shot an email to the vendor and it looks like there could possibly be alps support. Might take a little more time and require a few more funds, but it should be viable if I reach the 50 unit MOQ in the IC form.
definitely interested, especially if we can get a high profile alu case. Any chance for alps support?
There's chance for alps support since this PCB is being custom built. I'll definetly talk to design about it. The high profile case will be the one that's crudely rendered at the top. I designed it with 5 degree rise if that matters much. The IC form shows a fair ammount of interest for the alu case so if it doesn't reach 50, I might look into buying the rest.
Hope alps support works out. I've always wanted a monarch, and with this maybe a faux-narch isn't impossible.
Alright, shot an email to the vendor and it looks like there could possibly be alps support. Might take a little more time and require a few more funds, but it should be viable if I reach the 50 unit MOQ in the IC form.
Should I refill out the IC form to show my support for an ALPS version? I assume the PCB can be mx/alps compatible, just that you need to get the numbers for people interested in an alps compatible plate?
Any possibility of splitting the 2u keys on the keypad into all 1u? It'd be pretty cool to have a 65% board with a 5x4 "macro pad" connected on the left.
Any possibility of splitting the 2u keys on the keypad into all 1u? It'd be pretty cool to have a 65% board with a 5x4 "macro pad" connected on the left.
Also, alps support is confirmed on the PCB.
Any possibility of splitting the 2u keys on the keypad into all 1u? It'd be pretty cool to have a 65% board with a 5x4 "macro pad" connected on the left.
Also, alps support is confirmed on the PCB.
You beautiful human being! Time to start looking for an applicable alps set, 80% chance I'm in for it with alps. Hope you can find someone to help with the plate.
You seem a little more knowledgeable with alps than I am and I was wondering if there's a way to mount alps switches directly to the PCB since I can't seem to find any alps that are PCB mount specific. The thing is that the alps plate should be completely fine everywhere save for the portions of the plates that are completely open horizontally like at the right arrow cluster and where the 2u "+", "enter" and "0" on the numberpad would mount. At those points, the plate would not provide any support at all for alps since the cherry/alps cutouts are cut so that they brace cherry switches top and bottom while the alps switches are braced left and right.
You seem a little more knowledgeable with alps than I am and I was wondering if there's a way to mount alps switches directly to the PCB since I can't seem to find any alps that are PCB mount specific. The thing is that the alps plate should be completely fine everywhere save for the portions of the plates that are completely open horizontally like at the right arrow cluster and where the 2u "+", "enter" and "0" on the numberpad would mount. At those points, the plate would not provide any support at all for alps since the cherry/alps cutouts are cut so that they brace cherry switches top and bottom while the alps switches are braced left and right.
I ran into the same issue with the UK78, the best solution is to have a separate Alps plate as Alps don't have any pcb support like Cherry switches.
I have been trying to... squeeze "numpad" in 60% / 65% board but it's not working at all.
I'm interested in this PCB if it support split-spacebar. (IMO, split-spacebar is a must for 60%/65%)
I think I can self-supply acrylic case, so I only need PCB.
I will keep my eyes on high profile alu case though.
Any possibility of splitting the 2u keys on the keypad into all 1u? It'd be pretty cool to have a 65% board with a 5x4 "macro pad" connected on the left.
Also, alps support is confirmed on the PCB.
You beautiful human being! Time to start looking for an applicable alps set, 80% chance I'm in for it with alps. Hope you can find someone to help with the plate.
You seem a little more knowledgeable with alps than I am and I was wondering if there's a way to mount alps switches directly to the PCB since I can't seem to find any alps that are PCB mount specific. The thing is that the alps plate should be completely fine everywhere save for the portions of the plates that are completely open horizontally like at the right arrow cluster and where the 2u "+", "enter" and "0" on the numberpad would mount. At those points, the plate would not provide any support at all for alps since the cherry/alps cutouts are cut so that they brace cherry switches top and bottom while the alps switches are braced left and right.
You seem a little more knowledgeable with alps than I am and I was wondering if there's a way to mount alps switches directly to the PCB since I can't seem to find any alps that are PCB mount specific. The thing is that the alps plate should be completely fine everywhere save for the portions of the plates that are completely open horizontally like at the right arrow cluster and where the 2u "+", "enter" and "0" on the numberpad would mount. At those points, the plate would not provide any support at all for alps since the cherry/alps cutouts are cut so that they brace cherry switches top and bottom while the alps switches are braced left and right.
I ran into the same issue with the UK78, the best solution is to have a separate Alps plate as Alps don't have any pcb support like Cherry switches.
Don't you run into the issue of being stuck with a single layout if you opt for support on the alps swtiches? With a plate that supports more than one switch position, you simply widen the swtich opening on the plate, right? If you do that with alps swtiches (because of how they are supported by the plate from the side) you end up with support on a single side (gives a really odd feel?) or with no support at all, right?
The same exact issue applies with alps switches on a cherry+alps plate, right? Is there any other reason why an alps only plate would have an advantage other than switch alignment?
How about making the numpad in an option that is left-handed? In other words, with + and Enter on the left side.
Man, even though I'm a topre nerd I'm actually considering this since the ergonomics and functionality of a left-hand numpad would be rather useful for work (would want split backspace). Right-hand numpads must only exist because of legacy, being on the left just makes more sense.Exactly what I had thought. I have been doing some CAD work lately and have really wondered how much nicer it would be with the same mouse placement as a 60 or 65% and to be able to have a numberpad on the side.
I would be really interested in the + and enter on the numpad being on the left side; I think it might feel more natural actuating them with the left pinky, opposed to the index. I feel like the three dominant fingers would like to use the numbers more than the pinky.
Super interested in this. Excited to see it move another step beyond the reddit thread. =]
I would be really interested in the + and enter on the numpad being on the left side; I think it might feel more natural actuating them with the left pinky, opposed to the index. I feel like the three dominant fingers would like to use the numbers more than the pinky.
Super interested in this. Excited to see it move another step beyond the reddit thread. =]
With the left side Plus and Enter, I talked to the designer about it and it seems that there isn't enough room on that side to accomadate all the numberpad layouts (2u zero, 2u enter, 2u plus, 4x5 1u numberpad) which means that it would require a different pcb to accommodate the layouts.
I'm thinking that I could really use the 2u enter and plus keys on the side closer to the alphas though. They would be accessable with your pinky when typing and with your thumb when working on the numberpad. The neat thing is that if you wanted, you could map a macro or some other key onto the 2u keys for games and such for quick access keys that you can mash in an instant. Another thing is that I'm trying to keep too many holes in the PCB from overlapping because as it stands, the PCB should be holtite compatable since it uses the same specs as the xd60 / EEPW PCBs. There are some places I know that there won't be complete coverage on the holtite sockets (RH arrow cluster area) because of overlapping switch placement, but it seems that a lot of people still have been able to run holtites with the overlapping holes. The crucial difference here is that the PCB will also be set up for alps switches and from looking at the left side of the numberpad, will have some pretty unusable solder points if its set up for all the layouts.
It is something that I am interested in though since it might be a little more natural for some people to have the 2u keys on the left so if I can somehow fit it in, I definetly will :D
I would be really interested in the + and enter on the numpad being on the left side; I think it might feel more natural actuating them with the left pinky, opposed to the index. I feel like the three dominant fingers would like to use the numbers more than the pinky.
Super interested in this. Excited to see it move another step beyond the reddit thread. =]
With the left side Plus and Enter, I talked to the designer about it and it seems that there isn't enough room on that side to accomadate all the numberpad layouts (2u zero, 2u enter, 2u plus, 4x5 1u numberpad) which means that it would require a different pcb to accommodate the layouts.
I'm thinking that I could really use the 2u enter and plus keys on the side closer to the alphas though. They would be accessable with your pinky when typing and with your thumb when working on the numberpad. The neat thing is that if you wanted, you could map a macro or some other key onto the 2u keys for games and such for quick access keys that you can mash in an instant. Another thing is that I'm trying to keep too many holes in the PCB from overlapping because as it stands, the PCB should be holtite compatable since it uses the same specs as the xd60 / EEPW PCBs. There are some places I know that there won't be complete coverage on the holtite sockets (RH arrow cluster area) because of overlapping switch placement, but it seems that a lot of people still have been able to run holtites with the overlapping holes. The crucial difference here is that the PCB will also be set up for alps switches and from looking at the left side of the numberpad, will have some pretty unusable solder points if its set up for all the layouts.
It is something that I am interested in though since it might be a little more natural for some people to have the 2u keys on the left so if I can somehow fit it in, I definetly will :D
I'm not super familiar with Custom Keebs or Keebs in general (I jumped down the rabbit hole earlier this month with an Ergodox Infinity Kit); I know in that case the Alps capability is what kept it from being able to hold the holtites. (Much to my chagrin. I'm sure there are people worse at soldering than me, but there aren't very many).
I tried doing some mock spread sheeting with my left hand on the Numpad and it seemed to be much more comfortable than I imagined. So, if it helps the keyboard be much more structurally sound, I rescind my previous suggestion. :)
Super excited to get 1 or 2 of these kits :D
I noticed it supports a 6u spacebar but with 1 1.5 1.5 spacing to the left of it, would it also support 1.5 1 1.5?
Ok, so after talking to the vendor, there will be a number of kits available. MX and alps plates and bent plates will be seperate, which is pretty nice. MOQ for the PCBs will remain at 50 units, but there won't be an MOQ for the plates so it doesn't matter how many are ordered of each. Kits will be most likely be priced accordingly. Pictures of actual samples are coming soon.
High Profile Aluminum Case + MX Stainless Plate
High Profile Aluminum Case + Alps Stainless Plate
Bent Steel MX Compatable Plate
Bent Steel Alps Plate
Ok, so after talking to the vendor, there will be a number of kits available. MX and alps plates and bent plates will be seperate, which is pretty nice. MOQ for the PCBs will remain at 50 units, but there won't be an MOQ for the plates so it doesn't matter how many are ordered of each. Kits will be most likely be priced accordingly. Pictures of actual samples are coming soon.
High Profile Aluminum Case + MX Stainless Plate
High Profile Aluminum Case + Alps Stainless Plate
Bent Steel MX Compatable Plate
Bent Steel Alps Plate
Ok, so after talking to the vendor, there will be a number of kits available. MX and alps plates and bent plates will be seperate, which is pretty nice. MOQ for the PCBs will remain at 50 units, but there won't be an MOQ for the plates so it doesn't matter how many are ordered of each. Kits will be most likely be priced accordingly. Pictures of actual samples are coming soon.
High Profile Aluminum Case + MX Stainless Plate
High Profile Aluminum Case + Alps Stainless Plate
Bent Steel MX Compatable Plate
Bent Steel Alps Plate
looking forwards to the sale. Do you have an estimate for when you want to do the GB. Need to plan my finances haha :))
Ok, so after talking to the vendor, there will be a number of kits available. MX and alps plates and bent plates will be seperate, which is pretty nice. MOQ for the PCBs will remain at 50 units, but there won't be an MOQ for the plates so it doesn't matter how many are ordered of each. Kits will be most likely be priced accordingly. Pictures of actual samples are coming soon.
High Profile Aluminum Case + MX Stainless Plate
High Profile Aluminum Case + Alps Stainless Plate
Bent Steel MX Compatable Plate
Bent Steel Alps Plate
looking forwards to the sale. Do you have an estimate for when you want to do the GB. Need to plan my finances haha :))
Might run the GB for a few weeks from late june to early july. Optimally, I will somehow recieve the boards right when I get back from vacation early july which would be if I have an internet wherever in Thailand I'm going... If I can communicate with the vendor and everything runs smoothly, the GB will be run for 3-4 weeks and I'll have the boards ready to ship on the 24th of july if not slightly earlier.
I'm planning on getting samples of the final product before I leave though and I'm looking to get the first round of prototypes sometime hopefully this month.
Ok, so after talking to the vendor, there will be a number of kits available. MX and alps plates and bent plates will be seperate, which is pretty nice. MOQ for the PCBs will remain at 50 units, but there won't be an MOQ for the plates so it doesn't matter how many are ordered of each. Kits will be most likely be priced accordingly. Pictures of actual samples are coming soon.
High Profile Aluminum Case + MX Stainless Plate
High Profile Aluminum Case + Alps Stainless Plate
Bent Steel MX Compatable Plate
Bent Steel Alps Plate
looking forwards to the sale. Do you have an estimate for when you want to do the GB. Need to plan my finances haha :))
Might run the GB for a few weeks from late june to early july. Optimally, I will somehow recieve the boards right when I get back from vacation early july which would be if I have an internet wherever in Thailand I'm going... If I can communicate with the vendor and everything runs smoothly, the GB will be run for 3-4 weeks and I'll have the boards ready to ship on the 24th of july if not slightly earlier.
I'm planning on getting samples of the final product before I leave though and I'm looking to get the first round of prototypes sometime hopefully this month.
Perfect timing! Gives the poor wallet some time to recuperate haha :)) enjoy Thailand btw, beautiful country beautiful people, though with the kings passing it might be tad bit subdued
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I´m definetly in for one! :) As we are having a keyboard meetup in Vienna I got to know a guy from Vienna so we split the shipping cost :) Can´t wait for it!
So I just took a closer look at the aluminum case for the XD84 and realized that it came with some pretty neat aluminum risers instead of the two feet that most flat bottomed cases come with. How many people would be interested in doing this for the southpaw aluminum case? I was thinking of a set of 5 and 9 degree risers to go with each case which would leave the option of 0,5, and 9 degrees for the aluminum case. I'm thinking that this would bump the price for the aluminum case up a little (maybe 10-20 bucks) but it would give 3 options rather than one. Reference image below.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5UgFTvO.jpg)
I´m definetly in for one! :) As we are having a keyboard meetup in Vienna I got to know a guy from Vienna so we split the shipping cost :) Can´t wait for it!
That should make shipping and logistics easier for me. I'll be shipping out late July if that makes a difference.
I have been trying to... squeeze "numpad" in 60% / 65% board but it's not working at all.
I'm interested in this PCB if it support split-spacebar. (IMO, split-spacebar is a must for 60%/65%)
I think I can self-supply acrylic case, so I only need PCB.
I will keep my eyes on high profile alu case though.
So after a number of possible designs and looking over dimensions, the Vendor, Designer and I weren't able to fit a split space in because of the lack of space. The controller is basically a slimmed down teensy and is positioned horizontally along the bottom where the empty space between the spacebar switch and the stabilizer is. This means that it takes up the space of where a swtich for a split space is.
Is underglow rgb capable on the alum case? I'm assuming only bent SS
if this gets done I need to know before I jump on the UK78
if this gets done I need to know before I jump on the UK78
This one might not be done for a while. I'm still working on the revised case and the PCB is still being designed so that we can have alps and MX support without any issues whatsoever. I'm hoping to get the prototypes around mid June to July.
Is underglow rgb capable on the alum case? I'm assuming only bent SS
The aluminum case will be a solid aluminum case. No cutouts, no acrylic or anything. Keeping it simple for this first round.
Would it be possible to add a bottom row like this to the pcb/plate.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kypxbSk.png)
It would allow people to use 7u spacebars which some people love.
EDIT: It would also be pretty cool if the numpad could be flipped (so that the enter key and the rest of the symobols are on the left side of the numbers instead of the right).Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CxMoC8e.png)
I think that that bottom row would be doable, but reversing the numberpad is a little of an issue since the 2u "0" and enter as well as minus interfere with the 1u keys because of alps+MX compatability and how stabilizer cutouts on the PCB will most likely overlap the switch solder pads. I might need some time to figure that one out, but I think I might give that a go if round two happens. Have one left and one right compatable numberpad PCB.
I think that that bottom row would be doable, but reversing the numberpad is a little of an issue since the 2u "0" and enter as well as minus interfere with the 1u keys because of alps+MX compatability and how stabilizer cutouts on the PCB will most likely overlap the switch solder pads. I might need some time to figure that one out, but I think I might give that a go if round two happens. Have one left and one right compatable numberpad PCB.
Yeah the bottom row didn't look to difficult to do, but I thought the numpad mirroring could be hard. If it can't be done it can't be done. :blank: Since the numpad can be all 1u keys though people can do a kind of "pseudo" mirrored numpad.
One last change that I think would be pretty nice would be to allow the left shift to be either 1.25u + 1u OR 1u + 1.25u. If this and the option for all the bottom row modifiers being 1u keys, people could tuck the left set of arrow keys farther into the keyboard. This would stop it from interacting as much with the numpad enter key, and people wouldn't have to learn a new Enter key placement to use it.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1xHpC5J.png)
This also makes it so that people can use a 7u space instead of the 6u space with the left arrow keys, and a 7u spacebar is far easier to get than a 6u.
Haha, I really enjoy designing this kind of stuff, so I spend way to much time thinking about all the possibilities.
That is actually super genius. I never thought of the enter key when working with the numberpad, but yeah, it does seem more difficult to have to relearn the enter keys. It seems like a great layout for work though since your arrows are right next to your numberpad and you can throw keys like a backspace or macro Ctrl+c and Ctrl+v onto the 4 keys right above the numberpad.
On another note, split left shift is normally 1.25/1, not 1/1.25, right?
Any idea when/if this board will get produced?
Any idea when/if this board will get produced?
Any idea when/if this board will get produced?
I have the first batch of samples on the way. PCB and case are being produced at the moment and depending on how many revisions it needs, production time will start late august or maybe late September.
Keeping my fingers crossed for a nice looking case. Even singing simple like the one on the Monarch would be nice.
What about the bended case and the ABS one? If they are similar to the pictures in your r/MK reference they might be an outstanding affordable option for this extended 60% layout.
When you stop touching yourself.
Keeping my fingers crossed for a nice looking case. Even singing simple like the one on the Monarch would be nice.
Just finished up the quick renders for the aluminum case. Nothing too fancy. The case in the render has the 4 degree risers installed. There will also be a 9 degree riser included with the case and it will also be compatible with the cone feet that are widely available.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AUgQ6iR.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/f5pc249.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7rBFGGX.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oIqYkoa.png)
I have the first batch of samples on the way. PCB and case are being produced at the moment and depending on how many revisions it needs, production time will start late august or maybe late September.
This might be my target layout for this, if I'd join the GB.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/C1ynlXe.png)
Why do you want to get two arrow clusters?They are for different use cases.
Why do you want to get two arrow clusters?They are for different use cases.
The one on the right is used for when I'm gaming without a mouse, when I'm flipping through digital comics, etc.
The one on the left is used for when I'm navigating web pages, and other tasks that I want access to the arrow keys and my mouse at the same time.
Right now I do this by just moving my mouse to the other side of my keyboard, but I feel like having two sets of arrow keys is a more elegant solution. Plus I like the way it looks.
I see. Well, this PCB will allow you to get the space even for two sets of arrows; so, that's awesome too.
Edit: One more thing: Is the backspace on the left an error, or a feature you want?
What about the bended case and the ABS one? If they are similar to the pictures in your r/MK reference they might be an outstanding affordable option for this extended 60% layout.
What about the bended case and the ABS one? If they are similar to the pictures in your r/MK reference they might be an outstanding affordable option for this extended 60% layout.
Ok, im on my computer now and here's what the bent case will look like. There's also a acrylic diffuser on the bottom for the LEDs but I didn't have the board programmed in the picture.Show Image(https://i.redd.it/mk4mwb20nexy.jpg)
Ok, im on my computer now and here's what the bent case will look like. There's also a acrylic diffuser on the bottom for the LEDs but I didn't have the board programmed in the picture.Definitely gonna get the full case myself, but having this as an option will definitely pull in some more people. :thumb:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/mk4mwb20nexy.jpg)
Will the plates for this kit allow top switch removal?
Will the plates for this kit allow top switch removal?
Yeah, most definetly. Gonna have seperate plates for alps and MX so the fit will be pretty much optimized for them.
That bent plate case looks nicer than I expected, though I'm not fond of open sides so I'll stick to the traditional. Also glad to hear about switch top removal, this project is looking really nice so hopefully people will be open to the left-hand numpad and support it.
Will the plates for this kit allow top switch removal?
Yeah, most definetly. Gonna have seperate plates for alps and MX so the fit will be pretty much optimized for them.
Will the plates for this kit allow top switch removal?
Yeah, most definetly. Gonna have seperate plates for alps and MX so the fit will be pretty much optimized for them.
Will the bent cases allow top switch removal, as well?
Will the plates for this kit allow top switch removal?
Yeah, most definetly. Gonna have seperate plates for alps and MX so the fit will be pretty much optimized for them.
Will the bent cases allow top switch removal, as well?
Yeah, the bent cases will be cut exactly like the normal plates, just with the bent part to support the whole thing.
Wondering what angle you guys like your keyboards at? Something shallow like 4 degrees or soemthing a little more like 10 degrees. There will only be one version each of the alps and MX bent plates so I need to decide on an angle or figure something else out.
Alright, so its been a little while since the last update, but I've gotten the layout confirmation for the PCB which will be alps and MX compatable. Most of the layouts and key positions were able to be put onto the PCB. The first batch of samples for the cases, plates, and PCBs are looking to be delivered to my partner in CN by the end of this month and I'm hoping that I'll have them in my hands by the second week of august. If all goes well and no revisions are needed, GB should start at the end of August.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6T9iuyg.png)
recon,
I'm not familiar with the XD60 vendor, but a cursory search shows that it uses TKG as the keymapper, is this also the case with your Southpaw?
Is it by any chance possible to get a already programmed PCB? So that I only have to solder and plug&play?
Alright. We're really moving now. Just got a layout confirmation and the PCB prototype pictures from the factory. Looks so good so far. There was a little delay in the factory not being able to open the file for the case that I sent them so the bent case might take a little longer than the other things. Shouldn't be long though.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/phvxAfg.jpg)
Alright. We're really moving now. Just got a layout confirmation and the PCB prototype pictures from the factory. Looks so good so far. There was a little delay in the factory not being able to open the file for the case that I sent them so the bent case might take a little longer than the other things. Shouldn't be long though.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/phvxAfg.jpg)
Noticed that the PCB does not support Signature Plastics Alps ISO keycap, theirs is rotated so that the switch is the same orientation as the rest of the switches.
Alright. We're really moving now. Just got a layout confirmation and the PCB prototype pictures from the factory. Looks so good so far. There was a little delay in the factory not being able to open the file for the case that I sent them so the bent case might take a little longer than the other things. Shouldn't be long though.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/phvxAfg.jpg)
Noticed that the PCB does not support Signature Plastics Alps ISO keycap, theirs is rotated so that the switch is the same orientation as the rest of the switches.
I completely forgot about that... It looks though that if I added another set of thru holes for the alps switches oriented as the other switches, there would be quite a bit of interference with the LEDs. I was thinking though, if you could bend those pins or somehow jump the swtiches over the surface of the PCB onto the pads, something could work.
Alright. We're really moving now. Just got a layout confirmation and the PCB prototype pictures from the factory. Looks so good so far. There was a little delay in the factory not being able to open the file for the case that I sent them so the bent case might take a little longer than the other things. Shouldn't be long though.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/phvxAfg.jpg)
Noticed that the PCB does not support Signature Plastics Alps ISO keycap, theirs is rotated so that the switch is the same orientation as the rest of the switches.
I completely forgot about that... It looks though that if I added another set of thru holes for the alps switches oriented as the other switches, there would be quite a bit of interference with the LEDs. I was thinking though, if you could bend those pins or somehow jump the swtiches over the surface of the PCB onto the pads, something could work.
I am away from my pc currently so can't show a picture but I was able to fit the rotated switch by not having leds for it since alps don't have led holes.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xaNe7UI.jpg)
Also, an update on the layout.
Right now, this is what we have. ISO enter is compatable with the SP ALPS ISO enter as well as the original ALPS ISO enter; both with LEDs installed.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/e0dl4S7.jpg)
The bottom right corner, highlighted in a dark green can only take complete rows of two key sizes. I've decided that its best to change the layout to a 1u and a 1.5u compatable cluster. a complete 1u layout will still be compatable, as well as a complete 1.5u and the 1.5/1.5/1/1/1 layout. Does anyone have any more suggestions for layouts?
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xaNe7UI.jpg)
Also, an update on the layout.
Right now, this is what we have. ISO enter is compatable with the SP ALPS ISO enter as well as the original ALPS ISO enter; both with LEDs installed.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/e0dl4S7.jpg)
The bottom right corner, highlighted in a dark green can only take complete rows of two key sizes. I've decided that its best to change the layout to a 1u and a 1.5u compatable cluster. a complete 1u layout will still be compatable, as well as a complete 1.5u and the 1.5/1.5/1/1/1 layout. Does anyone have any more suggestions for layouts?
Sorry looking for a little clarification, the bottom right row can as of now be configured to
1/1/1/1/1/1/
1.5/1.5/1/1/1/
1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5/ only?
Or can it now do both those and the 1.25u row configs show in this photo?
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xaNe7UI.jpg)
Also, an update on the layout.
Right now, this is what we have. ISO enter is compatable with the SP ALPS ISO enter as well as the original ALPS ISO enter; both with LEDs installed.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/e0dl4S7.jpg)
The bottom right corner, highlighted in a dark green can only take complete rows of two key sizes. I've decided that its best to change the layout to a 1u and a 1.5u compatable cluster. a complete 1u layout will still be compatable, as well as a complete 1.5u and the 1.5/1.5/1/1/1 layout. Does anyone have any more suggestions for layouts?
Sorry looking for a little clarification, the bottom right row can as of now be configured to
1/1/1/1/1/1/
1.5/1.5/1/1/1/
1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5/ only?
Or can it now do both those and the 1.25u row configs show in this photo?
Here's where I'm looking for some community input. The issue is that we can either have the right side bottom row be as posted above (any combo without 1.5u cap compatability) or have it as compatable with any combo without 1.25u compatability. So to answer your question, pretty much yes, but since we're still at a point in time where we can redesign, I'm thinking of getting some more input.
Although, how I see it is that most people who are gonna want the right hand arrow cluster will be able to go with the traditional 1/1/1 alt, fn and ctrl or the 1.5/1.5 alt, ctrl. If they are running a left handed arrow cluster, they can opt for a uniform row of 1/1/1/1/1/1 or 1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5 and utilize a full 2.75u right shift while they're at it if they want a single left arrow cluster.
If I can choose, I want the dark green to be:
1.5 1.5 1 1 1
FYI: There's a very similar kb to this that just released and is available for shipping.
https://www.primekb.com/products/prime_l
FYI: There's a very similar kb to this that just released and is available for shipping.
https://www.primekb.com/products/prime_l
That keyboard is totally different, it is close to a sixty footprint but with a number pad squeezed in that makes the sixty alpha area and mods incomplete, nothing to do with the Southpaw that is a full size sixty plus a number pad.
FYI: There's a very similar kb to this that just released and is available for shipping.
https://www.primekb.com/products/prime_l
That keyboard is totally different, it is close to a sixty footprint but with a number pad squeezed in that makes the sixty alpha area and mods incomplete, nothing to do with the Southpaw that is a full size sixty plus a number pad.
It's quite similar in purpose, so I figured some might be interested. It's also not Alps. But that doesn't mean it might not be of interest to some looking at this project.
FYI: There's a very similar kb to this that just released and is available for shipping.
https://www.primekb.com/products/prime_l
That keyboard is totally different, it is close to a sixty footprint but with a number pad squeezed in that makes the sixty alpha area and mods incomplete, nothing to do with the Southpaw that is a full size sixty plus a number pad.
It's quite similar in purpose, so I figured some might be interested. It's also not Alps. But that doesn't mean it might not be of interest to some looking at this project.
You wrote very similar, which it is not true. There is a thread to post on interesting findings, this is not it.
FYI: There's a very similar kb to this that just released and is available for shipping.
https://www.primekb.com/products/prime_l
That keyboard is totally different, it is close to a sixty footprint but with a number pad squeezed in that makes the sixty alpha area and mods incomplete, nothing to do with the Southpaw that is a full size sixty plus a number pad.
It's quite similar in purpose, so I figured some might be interested. It's also not Alps. But that doesn't mean it might not be of interest to some looking at this project.
You wrote very similar, which it is not true. There is a thread to post on interesting findings, this is not it.
You don't think it's similar. Cool. I do. I don't see what the problem is to post this in case someone who wants a numpad on the left on a board wants it. Why are you so stressed over semantics?
FYI: There's a very similar kb to this that just released and is available for shipping.
https://www.primekb.com/products/prime_l
That keyboard is totally different, it is close to a sixty footprint but with a number pad squeezed in that makes the sixty alpha area and mods incomplete, nothing to do with the Southpaw that is a full size sixty plus a number pad.
It's quite similar in purpose, so I figured some might be interested. It's also not Alps. But that doesn't mean it might not be of interest to some looking at this project.
You wrote very similar, which it is not true. There is a thread to post on interesting findings, this is not it.
You don't think it's similar. Cool. I do. I don't see what the problem is to post this in case someone who wants a numpad on the left on a board wants it. Why are you so stressed over semantics?
A post referring to other product is off topic in an IC thread, no matter how similar you consider that it is. If you are interested in the Southpaw please stay in topic, you can refer the other keyboard somewhere else.
My vote would be 1.5u support over 1.25u support for that bottom right cluster. I feel like more people would opt to use 1.5/1.5/1/1/1/ over the 1/1.25/1.25/1.25/1.25 layout (if they don't just go with the 6 1u keys).
My vote would be 1.5u support over 1.25u support for that bottom right cluster. I feel like more people would opt to use 1.5/1.5/1/1/1/ over the 1/1.25/1.25/1.25/1.25 layout (if they don't just go with the 6 1u keys).
Well, that looks like the layout that we're going with. Gonna be 1.5u and 1u compatability for the bottom row. Makes a little more sense.
My vote would be 1.5u support over 1.25u support for that bottom right cluster. I feel like more people would opt to use 1.5/1.5/1/1/1/ over the 1/1.25/1.25/1.25/1.25 layout (if they don't just go with the 6 1u keys).
Well, that looks like the layout that we're going with. Gonna be 1.5u and 1u compatability for the bottom row. Makes a little more sense.
the only other similar option I know about is the ALPS only alternative which name I do not remember.
When we can expect the GB launching?
Are the prices still reasonably on target?
I am not south paw but!! I might be interested in this for MMO gaming!... I could see having my numb pad on the left as being a large boon! cause then I could ditch the MMO mouse. Use my left to cue up skills... while moving with mouse. Special if the price is as reasonable as people are saying! It be really really nice to ditch the mouse and get something nicer. I will have to keep eye on this for sure.
I know it would amount to a separate project, but have you considered doing something like this with an extra row on top for the F-keys? Basically a Cooler Master TK with the TK on the left? I would be so in on that? Has something like this been done?I am not south paw but!! I might be interested in this for MMO gaming!... I could see having my numb pad on the left as being a large boon! cause then I could ditch the MMO mouse. Use my left to cue up skills... while moving with mouse. Special if the price is as reasonable as people are saying! It be really really nice to ditch the mouse and get something nicer. I will have to keep eye on this for sure.
This is one of the things somebody has brought up before and I ended up getting it to work with the board. The number pad on the left can also be built up as a full macro pad with a 4x5 1u grid which gives you a full 20 macros within reach
Did a quick mockup of what I was thinking. Blue is unassigned, red is non-standard size, yellow is non-standard location.
So what other colors were you considering?
I'm down with all options even the raw aluminum, it looks quite nice. If the additional cost isn't to high for the type 3 anodizing id prefer that over all but would be on board either way. thanks for the update!
That's a great looking wrap-around-plate. I know you've talked about different angled risers on the case, what will the angle of the plate be?
I'm unable to use anything above six, personally, and prefer 0 angle due to actually using my keyboards instead of looking at them all day :p (It hurts my wrists, is the point...)
Looking good. When can i give my monies?
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Great. Worst case scenario, I can put something under the front legs.That's a great looking wrap-around-plate. I know you've talked about different angled risers on the case, what will the angle of the plate be?
I'm unable to use anything above six, personally, and prefer 0 angle due to actually using my keyboards instead of looking at them all day :p (It hurts my wrists, is the point...)
I'm aiming for something in between the high and low angles of the aluminum case so it'll most likely be 6 or 8 degrees. The bent plate is being done by the factory themselves and I did tell them that I wanted a 6 degree incline if I recall correctly, but that will have to be looked over when it gets here. It also might change depending on how stiff the plate is. Might need to do some little changes here and there if it isn't stiff enough horizontally because that was an issue that I already had with the XD84. The only remedy that I had found for it would be to build it up with PCB mount switches which gave it a little more stiffness.
I'm trying to see if I can get a really simple wrist rest done in the same style as the bent plate at the moment since, in my head, it seems like something that wouldn't be too expensive and something that would look and work really well with the bent case.
This is absolutely gorgeous, and I know this is almost blasphemy to ask... but is there any chance at all that this will ever exist in a right-hand numpad version? I would buy it in a heartbeat.
This is absolutely gorgeous, and I know this is almost blasphemy to ask... but is there any chance at all that this will ever exist in a right-hand numpad version? I would buy it in a heartbeat.
numpad on right side?
if so, it did exist and I guess you missed it: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90060.0
Which one is the Integrated Case Kit? I'm interested in the Bent Steel Plate, Steel Case, Steel Plate - the one on 4 an d 5 pictures under "Bent Steel Plate, Steel Case, Steel Plate". Which option is that in the IC form?-
Which one is the Integrated Case Kit? I'm interested in the Bent Steel Plate, Steel Case, Steel Plate - the one on 4 an d 5 pictures under "Bent Steel Plate, Steel Case, Steel Plate". Which option is that in the IC form?-
Picture 4, 5, and 6 are the integrated steel case on the IC form.
What's the angle of the integrated steel case?
Perfect! That's my choice, then :)What's the angle of the integrated steel case?
If my math skills are still sharp, should be around 4.5 degrees
reconsiderit can you please names on the pictures in OP?
I have a very hard time trying to guess what's what in the Interest Form. I think it would help everyone a lot!
I for one would really appreciate it.
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Total newbie question: would it be possible to do left and right arrow clusters and a left side OS key on any of the layouts?
Thank you! Second dumb question: what kits would I need from the Legacy drop https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mito-dsa-legacy-custom-keycap-set?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mito-dsa-legacy-custom-keycap-set?mode=guest_open) for this keyboard?
Thank you! Second dumb question: what kits would I need from the Legacy drop https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mito-dsa-legacy-custom-keycap-set?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mito-dsa-legacy-custom-keycap-set?mode=guest_open) for this keyboard?
you can always wait for another reply but to fill the board looks like you need the following kits
Base
Mods
extras
The kits while not sure cheap have pretty nice coverage ^_^ I am basing this off the photos that where posted by OP
Thank you! Second dumb question: what kits would I need from the Legacy drop https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mito-dsa-legacy-custom-keycap-set?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mito-dsa-legacy-custom-keycap-set?mode=guest_open) for this keyboard?
you can always wait for another reply but to fill the board looks like you need the following kits
Base
Mods
extras
The kits while not sure cheap have pretty nice coverage ^_^ I am basing this off the photos that where posted by OP
Seems like I'd need the Numpad too?
Fantastic.
Also, you're in Sunnyvale? My office is out there :)
When are you planing to start the GB?
Is the purpose of the acrylic defuser for PCB protection, since I don't think there is underglow support?Hmm, I think I completely forgot to mention that, but there is RGB Underglow for this, but yeah, also for PCB support.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/11/Andy-Dwyer-Shock.gif)Is the purpose of the acrylic defuser for PCB protection, since I don't think there is underglow support?Hmm, I think I completely forgot to mention that, but there is RGB Underglow for this, but yeah, also for PCB support.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/11/Andy-Dwyer-Shock.gif)Is the purpose of the acrylic defuser for PCB protection, since I don't think there is underglow support?Hmm, I think I completely forgot to mention that, but there is RGB Underglow for this, but yeah, also for PCB support.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BQzYOYf.jpg)
This is the Alu case right? Did I read it correctly that it will only support alps?
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Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BQzYOYf.jpg)
This is the Alu case right? Did I read it correctly that it will only support alps?
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Ok, so this is something that I have to clear up
There are three case options. An aluminum case which is the one pictured, a bent steel and an integrated steel case. The aluminum case has a separate plate whereas the bent case and integrated plate are basically the case and plate in a single structure.
The plates are different for ALPS and MX. I decided to go with separate plates for each switch mount because of the number of keys packed together for different layouts would make the plate basically ineffective for some alps keys and you'll basically be completely supported by the PCB, which in areas withs lots of layouts, is akin to swiss cheese.
So the CNC case itself will be the same for alps and mx mount, just with different plates. If you wanted to, you could purchase a second PCB/plate in a different mount and swap it into the case. The bent plate and integrated case will be cut for differently for MX and alps switches, therefore, if you get an alps compatible bent plate or integrated case, you won't be able to do anything to use it with MX switches.
I feel that this could be a little more clear and would like some feedback on how this should be explained before I start the GB so that nobody is confused.
One last thing to clarify: does it come with the thick, duck style feet or cone feet? I’m hopping it’s the former ;)
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It would be helpful if you added a picture showing the different color options for the cases and anodized plates.I agree
Would it be possible to add a bottom row like this to the pcb/plate.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kypxbSk.png)
It would allow people to use 7u spacebars which some people love.
EDIT: It would also be pretty cool if the numpad could be flipped (so that the enter key and the rest of the symobols are on the left side of the numbers instead of the right).Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CxMoC8e.png)
Would it be possible to add a bottom row like this to the pcb/plate.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kypxbSk.png)
It would allow people to use 7u spacebars which some people love.
EDIT: It would also be pretty cool if the numpad could be flipped (so that the enter key and the rest of the symobols are on the left side of the numbers instead of the right).Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CxMoC8e.png)
Is this 1.5, 1, 1.5 bottom row going to be supported?
This KB has me interested but I have a bunch of questions.
Assuming that I want to buy a bent plate KB and I already have some switches, I would have to buy at a minimum the PCB, the MX Bent Plate and some stabilizers, right?
In addition, are the feet compatible with the bent steel case or are they just for the aluminum case?
What is the cost of the delivery for Europe?
What payment methods are there?
Thanks!
Local pickup is also available.
Would it be possible to add a bottom row like this to the pcb/plate.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kypxbSk.png)
It would allow people to use 7u spacebars which some people love.
EDIT: It would also be pretty cool if the numpad could be flipped (so that the enter key and the rest of the symobols are on the left side of the numbers instead of the right).Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CxMoC8e.png)
Is this 1.5, 1, 1.5 bottom row going to be supported?
The 1.5/1/1.5 bottom row isn't supported iirc, but I'll check when I have the board in front of me. I think it was because we couldn't cram the pads for 1u, 1.25u, and 1.5u all into a single space with the other keys we were trying to fit there.
That would be so amazingThis KB has me interested but I have a bunch of questions.
Assuming that I want to buy a bent plate KB and I already have some switches, I would have to buy at a minimum the PCB, the MX Bent Plate and some stabilizers, right?
In addition, are the feet compatible with the bent steel case or are they just for the aluminum case?
What is the cost of the delivery for Europe?
What payment methods are there?
Thanks!
Working with candykeys in Germany to organize a sorta last minute EU proxy. It means that the GB will take a little longer (a few days at the most) before it opens, but I think that it'll make it much more accessible to people in the EU.
Would it be possible to add a bottom row like this to the pcb/plate.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kypxbSk.png)
It would allow people to use 7u spacebars which some people love.
EDIT: It would also be pretty cool if the numpad could be flipped (so that the enter key and the rest of the symobols are on the left side of the numbers instead of the right).Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CxMoC8e.png)
Is this 1.5, 1, 1.5 bottom row going to be supported?
The 1.5/1/1.5 bottom row isn't supported iirc, but I'll check when I have the board in front of me. I think it was because we couldn't cram the pads for 1u, 1.25u, and 1.5u all into a single space with the other keys we were trying to fit there.
It should be possible but it is not that easy, you need to shift the pads around the holes off centre to allow room between the pads, something like this https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90060.0;attach=174426;image
Would it be possible to add a bottom row like this to the pcb/plate.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kypxbSk.png)
It would allow people to use 7u spacebars which some people love.
EDIT: It would also be pretty cool if the numpad could be flipped (so that the enter key and the rest of the symobols are on the left side of the numbers instead of the right).Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CxMoC8e.png)
Is this 1.5, 1, 1.5 bottom row going to be supported?
Not important, just curious; What color will the pcb be?
Good idea. Underglow is importantNot important, just curious; What color will the pcb be?
Most likely black or white, looking at the feedback from the interest check. Leaning towards white as it'll reflect underglow better.
This KB has me interested but I have a bunch of questions.
Assuming that I want to buy a bent plate KB and I already have some switches, I would have to buy at a minimum the PCB, the MX Bent Plate and some stabilizers, right?
In addition, are the feet compatible with the bent steel case or are they just for the aluminum case?
What is the cost of the delivery for Europe?
What payment methods are there?
Thanks!
Working with candykeys in Germany to organize a sorta last minute EU proxy. It means that the GB will take a little longer (a few days at the most) before it opens, but I think that it'll make it much more accessible to people in the EU.
GB - Southpaw Extended 65% - Integrated Case - is the PCB included?
I can't even seem to search it
https://www.candykeys.com/?s=Southpaw
I see :)I can't even seem to search it
https://www.candykeys.com/?s=Southpaw
Forgot to mention, but it hasn't be published yet. Should be done soon.
For the "GB - Southpaw Extended 65% - Integrated Case" I only need a pcb as minimum?
For the "GB - Southpaw Extended 65% - Integrated Case" I only need a pcb as minimum?
Yeah, PCB and integrated case.
To complete the board, you would then need stabilizers, switches, and keycaps.
North America: www.switchplate.co
EU: www.candykeys.com
Aluminum CNC Case
PCB
Aluminum CNC Case
Plate (optional, but highly recommended)
Stainless Steel Bent Plate
PCB
Bent Plate
Stainless Steel Integrated Plate
PCB
Integrated Case
A bit disappointed that the blue and grey for the cases are so light, but excited this is finally happening nonetheless so I'm in for all black. Also dumb question, but when you say the plate is optional but highly recommended, is that just for protecting the PCB or does it have another effect?It provides stability for the whole thing og protects the switches soldering from loosening up over time. I have a board with out switch plate and it works fine but top plate feels more stable.
When will the EU proxy start?
AU and NZ please?