Excitement is building! Was there a ETA on when it would ship on the MD page at all?
So much for saving money this month.......
When it will be made? - Soon. Sooner as you might think, thus you can keep the jokes about SPs leadtime for yourself.
Great to see this drop! However, on the IC it said:QuoteWhen it will be made? - Soon. Sooner as you might think, thus you can keep the jokes about SPs leadtime for yourself.
Is March actually a sooner date than expected, or is there a chance that the ship date will be reviewed? I guess I was just hoping that MD had already reserved a production slot or something.
Massdrop shows Backspace in R2 profile for the regular modifiers.
Is it safe to assume Backspace is R1 profile like it shows in the IC here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88383.0)?
Massdrop shows Backspace in R2 profile for the regular modifiers.
Is it safe to assume Backspace is R1 profile like it shows in the IC here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88383.0)?
Interesting, is that an error? It looks like the normal kit is 1-2-2-3-4-4 and the Bone kit is 1-1-2-3-4-4, but the extension kits both have R2 backspaces?
Great to see this drop! However, on the IC it said:QuoteWhen it will be made? - Soon. Sooner as you might think, thus you can keep the jokes about SPs leadtime for yourself.
Is March actually a sooner date than expected, or is there a chance that the ship date will be reviewed? I guess I was just hoping that MD had already reserved a production slot or something.
Yeah seriously, SP waits are always long but this is reaching a new level. Was hoping to do a carbon-based build as an xmas gift for someone but that's no longer a possibility.
If SP can't meet demand a little better I think maybe the community as a whole should start exploring the possibility of switching manufacturing to a company that's a little less lackadaisical.
There should be a mistake on massdrop
https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FIE0ubZGNS8W4JZ7xKUhF_asd.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=1300&h=760&dpr=1&q=80 (https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FIE0ubZGNS8W4JZ7xKUhF_asd.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=1300&h=760&dpr=1&q=80)
Also, can someone explain me the ADAPTIVE ALPHA, seems to be a all-R3 flat alphas, with an extra R2 that i don't understand and there are no modifiers kit in R3. What i missed?
[1:01] sry full uniform support is not available
[1:01] only for planck
Was a bit surprised to see drop 4 quantity at 200 - T0mb3ry did you doubt the demand for your set ;) (or maybe that's just as low as humanly possible)
The following have exceeded their highest MOQ tier:
- Alphas, 193.5% overfunded
- Modifiers kit, 109.5% overfunded
- Numpad kit, 95% overfunded
- Carbon novelties, 162% overfunded
- Arrows kit, 148% overfunded
- 6.25u spacebar, 16% overfunded
- Blank alphas, 4% overfunded
The following haven't reached Tier 1 MOQ (yet):
- Base modifiers extension, 44% underfunded
- DC kit, 28% underfunded
- Adaptive Alphas, 12% underfunded
- 40%, 62% underfunded
- Bone numpad kit, 36% underfunded
- Orange NORDEUK kit, 84% underfunded
- Exotic kit, 40% underfunded
- Flex kit, 12% underfunded
- Rolling bones, 6% underfunded
- Spacekeys, 64% underfunded
Well i am sure other kits will hit their moq .
Keep in mind i am not responsible for price drop points and moq. Its almost solely done by SP. Afaik SPs drop points are significant at the beginning but with higher MOQ reached, they become neglectable.
> Well i am sure other kits will hit their moq.
T0mb3ry, frankly this is lame.
To be blunt, Mod Extension Kit is a fiasco.
I went to the GH IC thread and was surprised to find out that the Modifiers were initially a full set, but was subsequently split under the pretense of making things affordable with TKL. While TKL might have eked out some gain, but everyone with non-standard layout are force fed an expensive kit with low utilization.
What also disturbed me was there were bunch of feedbacks multiple times in the IC discussion in this regard. They were shut down. Your quotes:
"Anyway TKL is the base - deal with it."
"the kits as FINALIZED. That means i do not take any new suggestion"
And now that the numbers are showing up proving the short sightedness of this decision, you say
"Well i am sure other kits will hit their moq" and I am not responsible for bunch of stuff!!!???
I'm a fan of your designs and recently I bought $379 worth of Yuri and told friends+family to get it.
If you are not listening to the community, why should we support you?
Thanks for your feedback. Here is my observations after reading the IC discussion and watching how the drop is developing.> Well i am sure other kits will hit their moq.
T0mb3ry, frankly this is lame.
To be blunt, Mod Extension Kit is a fiasco.
I went to the GH IC thread and was surprised to find out that the Modifiers were initially a full set, but was subsequently split under the pretense of making things affordable with TKL. While TKL might have eked out some gain, but everyone with non-standard layout are force fed an expensive kit with low utilization.
What also disturbed me was there were bunch of feedbacks multiple times in the IC discussion in this regard. They were shut down. Your quotes:
"Anyway TKL is the base - deal with it."
"the kits as FINALIZED. That means i do not take any new suggestion"
And now that the numbers are showing up proving the short sightedness of this decision, you say
"Well i am sure other kits will hit their moq" and I am not responsible for bunch of stuff!!!???
I'm a fan of your designs and recently I bought $379 worth of Yuri and told friends+family to get it.
If you are not listening to the community, why should we support you?
i think the tkl decision may have been in part due to how massdrop sees the economics of this playing out. in smaller gbs that don't use a platform like massdrop, it might make sense to make overinclusive modifier kits since they are usually catering to the interests of a few. in the past for geekhack sa gbs, that could have meant a mod kit that would be bigger to accomodate the various kinds of layouts that gh members sport. massdrop's audience is different and i think that also has to be given proper respect (since we are using their platform to increase the size of the gb).
for the keys included alpha + tkl = $83 for a 200 moq. dasher (the last sa md gb) had tkl for $68 for a 500 moq. jukebox of 2016 had a 750 moq (for base, 600+ moq for 60/tkl) that came out to $64. part of this is simply due to price increases by sp (probably accounting for some of the new investment in production mentioned in the godspeed gb). part of it is different moqs. but ultimately it hasn't really been the case that the keys in the extension sets were a part of the mod kits in past massdrop sa gbs.
in any case, your response seems a bit dramatic since it's only the first day of the drop. let's see where this ends up before drawing any conclusions.
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For those who are old hands at this, how long does it take for the feeling of horror to go away when spending so much money on these alluring little pieces of plastic?
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Was a bit surprised to see drop 4 quantity at 200 - T0mb3ry did you doubt the demand for your set ;) (or maybe that's just as low as humanly possible)
The following have exceeded their highest MOQ tier:
- Alphas, 193.5% overfunded
- Modifiers kit, 109.5% overfunded
- Numpad kit, 95% overfunded
- Carbon novelties, 162% overfunded
- Arrows kit, 148% overfunded
- 6.25u spacebar, 16% overfunded
- Blank alphas, 4% overfunded
The following haven't reached Tier 1 MOQ (yet):
- Base modifiers extension, 44% underfunded
- DC kit, 28% underfunded
- Adaptive Alphas, 12% underfunded
- 40%, 62% underfunded
- Bone numpad kit, 36% underfunded
- Orange NORDEUK kit, 84% underfunded
- Exotic kit, 40% underfunded
- Flex kit, 12% underfunded
- Rolling bones, 6% underfunded
- Spacekeys, 64% underfunded
I'm not going to draw conclusions here. MD gets revenue, profit, leverage for hosting this drop. What is the enthusiast community (narrowed down to be specific) getting for its contributions?
Isn't it 'were in line with'. This drop seems far more expensive than should be.
Isn't it 'were in line with'. This drop seems far more expensive than should be.
Sure, they are not the same, but only a little. (Especially the standard layout)
I think that it is a harmful effect by producing many type of kits.
How does one go on about checking what has been ordered so far?
What is the enthusiast community (narrowed down to be specific) getting for its contributions?
I'm not going to draw conclusions here. MD gets revenue, profit, leverage for hosting this drop. What is the enthusiast community (narrowed down to be specific) getting for its contributions?
A solid platform for the offering? If it goes longer and you want to back out, you're free to do so. If there is a problem with the caps, they will handle it. They won't just disappear with your money. You're guaranteed to get your caps. Their prices are in line with the other company backed GBs (OCo/KeyClack).
Can you say all of that for any other non company backed GB?
I'm not going to draw conclusions here. MD gets revenue, profit, leverage for hosting this drop. What is the enthusiast community (narrowed down to be specific) getting for its contributions?
A solid platform for the offering? If it goes longer and you want to back out, you're free to do so. If there is a problem with the caps, they will handle it. They won't just disappear with your money. You're guaranteed to get your caps. Their prices are in line with the other company backed GBs (OCo/KeyClack).
Can you say all of that for any other non company backed GB?
"platform" - I don't know how you caught onto this lingo and sing this tune, but that's pretty nice label for a website with billing and time shared staff to handle moderation, fulfillment and customer service.
I don't know what scam you have been subjected to. Things that you describe are basic business expectations.
Most importantly you haven't answered the question. What is the enthusiast community (pls differentiate from Joe walking off street on MD site--people like you and me) getting?
> Well i am sure other kits will hit their moq.
T0mb3ry, frankly this is lame.
To be blunt, Mod Extension Kit is a fiasco.
I went to the GH IC thread and was surprised to find out that the Modifiers were initially a full set, but was subsequently split under the pretense of making things affordable with TKL. While TKL might have eked out some gain, but everyone with non-standard layout are force fed an expensive kit with low utilization.
What also disturbed me was there were bunch of feedbacks multiple times in the IC discussion in this regard. They were shut down. Your quotes:
"Anyway TKL is the base - deal with it."
"the kits as FINALIZED. That means i do not take any new suggestion"
And now that the numbers are showing up proving the short sightedness of this decision, you say
"Well i am sure other kits will hit their moq" and I am not responsible for bunch of stuff!!!???
I'm a fan of your designs and recently I bought $379 worth of Yuri and told friends+family to get it.
If you are not listening to the community, why should we support you?
i think the tkl decision may have been in part due to how massdrop sees the economics of this playing out. in smaller gbs that don't use a platform like massdrop, it might make sense to make overinclusive modifier kits since they are usually catering to the interests of a few. in the past for geekhack sa gbs, that could have meant a mod kit that would be bigger to accomodate the various kinds of layouts that gh members sport. massdrop's audience is different and i think that also has to be given proper respect (since we are using their platform to increase the size of the gb).
for the keys included alpha + tkl = $83 for a 200 moq. dasher (the last sa md gb) had tkl for $68 for a 500 moq. jukebox of 2016 had a 750 moq (for base, 600+ moq for 60/tkl) that came out to $64. part of this is simply due to price increases by sp (probably accounting for some of the new investment in production mentioned in the godspeed gb). part of it is different moqs. but ultimately it hasn't really been the case that the keys in the extension sets were a part of the mod kits in past massdrop sa gbs.
in any case, your response seems a bit dramatic since it's only the first day of the drop. let's see where this ends up before drawing any conclusions.
What is the enthusiast community (pls differentiate from Joe walking off street on MD site--people like you and me) getting?
Determining kit composition is, in my view, the hardest and most exhausting aspect of designing a keycap set. You can't get anything resembling community consensus, and inevitably some subset of enthusiasts will gripe about the way the sets are arranged. The only way designers survive the process is to step away from the spotlight (on the forums especially) and stop listening/responding to all the noise.
Engaging the community is not a process that lasts forever. Nor is every bit of feedback going to be found in the final product. Once a keyset is out of the IC phase, the time for offering feedback (and complaining that you aren't getting the kits you want at the price that suits you) is over. At that point, the designer has to step back and just let the GB run its course, having made all he decisions that are going to be made, knowing full well that some folks will be disappointed.
"The avalanche has begun. It is too late for the pebbles to vote." --Kosh Naranek
Let me just throw in another reference of comparison
/dev/tty https://www.massdrop.com/buy/37451
Look at the kit structure--gradual ramp for layout changes
Changes were accommodated in the course of the drop
Listen to the tone of the discussion
That's it. Pls see me as a messenger, don't shoot!
I look forward to the day when there emerges a perfect way to run an IC, a perfect way to arrange kits, and a perfect way to run the group buy.
Just to let you know there will be soon a drop for an Artisan Spacebar specially made by Hammer for SA Carbon. Afaik the artisan spacebars will be avaialble in diffirent sizes and very importantly there will be also Topre spacebars available. Say SA Spacebars for topre keyaboards like HHKB.
Here are some renders:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nFY3Geo.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9ELrN6X.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yZsWJsy.png)
Spacebar looks amazing. I'll definitely be in for that.
On another note, how common is the 2-3-4-4 profile that carbon uses? Seems like every other SA sweet uses 2-3-4-3.
Just to let you know there will be soon a drop for an Artisan Spacebar specially made by Hammer for SA Carbon. Afaik the artisan spacebars will be avaialble in diffirent sizes and very importantly there will be also Topre spacebars available. Say SA Spacebars for topre keyaboards like HHKB.
Here are some renders:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nFY3Geo.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9ELrN6X.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yZsWJsy.png)
do you happen to know if the drop will occur before the end of the carbon drop?
Just to let you know there will be soon a drop for an Artisan Spacebar specially made by Hammer for SA Carbon. Afaik the artisan spacebars will be avaialble in diffirent sizes and very importantly there will be also Topre spacebars available. Say SA Spacebars for topre keyaboards like HHKB.
there will be also Topre spacebars available. Say SA Spacebars for topre keyaboards like HHKB.
SA Spacebars for topre
Just to let you know there will be soon a drop for an Artisan Spacebar specially made by Hammer for SA Carbon. Afaik the artisan spacebars will be avaialble in diffirent sizes and very importantly there will be also Topre spacebars available. Say SA Spacebars for topre keyaboards like HHKB.
Here are some renders:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nFY3Geo.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9ELrN6X.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yZsWJsy.png)
Just to let you know there will be soon a drop for an Artisan Spacebar specially made by Hammer for SA Carbon. Afaik the artisan spacebars will be avaialble in diffirent sizes and very importantly there will be also Topre spacebars available. Say SA Spacebars for topre keyaboards like HHKB.
Here are some renders:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nFY3Geo.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9ELrN6X.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yZsWJsy.png)
Just to let you know there will be soon a drop for an Artisan Spacebar specially made by Hammer for SA Carbon. Afaik the artisan spacebars will be avaialble in diffirent sizes and very importantly there will be also Topre spacebars available. Say SA Spacebars for topre keyaboards like HHKB.
Here are some renders:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nFY3Geo.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9ELrN6X.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yZsWJsy.png)
Will it be made from perfect same color, and can you tell me what that layer ontop of the spacebar is on the rendering? Some sort of see-through plastic? Or is that just for the rendering and not on the key itself
I have questions regarding the Blank Alphas. Per kit, we only receive 5 keycaps for each profile (R1-R2-R3-R4) with an extra R3 as Homing Key.
If I want to cover my alphas with Blank Alphas, I have to purchase three kits? Because R1 and R2 need at least 12 keycaps.
Why not make 6 keycaps for R1 and R2, 5 keycaps for R3 and R4, plus extra R3 Homing Key per kit?
I have questions regarding the Blank Alphas. Per kit, we only receive 5 keycaps for each profile (R1-R2-R3-R4) with an extra R3 as Homing Key.
If I want to cover my alphas with Blank Alphas, I have to purchase three kits? Because R1 and R2 need at least 12 keycaps.
Why not make 6 keycaps for R1 and R2, 5 keycaps for R3 and R4, plus extra R3 Homing Key per kit?
Hmm you are right. I will note this for the next possible drop. Keep in mind once drop have started i do no changes. For the time beign i'd like to suggest to use lambda keys or if possible to order some blancks from Pimp my Keyboard store (afaik they do sell blancks). The color code for alphas is WBO.
Given the numbers, would you consider a follow-up honeycomb novelty kit drop in 1-2 months with a further delivery date?Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=72241.0;attach=123320;image)
Are we going to see a R2 for GMK Carbon?
heads up to anyone not paying attention, drop was extended until june 29, and pushed back until april 5th
heads up to anyone not paying attention, drop was extended until june 29, and pushed back until april 5th
Yes, I loved how they specifically stated that extending the drop (by two weeks) wouldn't delay the shipping date...and then within minutes they updated the shipping date to two weeks later. It's good for people who don't have the cash right now, but in the end it's going to result in very few extra sales. Nearly everyone in these keycap drops buys in the first 4 or 5 days or in the last 24 hours. All of the days in between are super slow with single digit increases in the # of kits sold.
Quick question for the Hammer SA artisan spacebar.
I know the 6u (Topre) is centered stem, but is the 6u (Cherry MX) centered stem or offset stem?
Quick question for the Hammer SA artisan spacebar.
I know the 6u (Topre) is centered stem, but is the 6u (Cherry MX) centered stem or offset stem?
Unfortunately the 6u spacebar is available only for topre. The mx spacebar was just an error.
Hey T0mb3ry, could you do anything about Warning Kits being sold out? Its a pathetic move tbh.
Hey T0mb3ry, could you do anything about Warning Kits being sold out? Its a pathetic move tbh.
It isn't sold out, but the price for everyone else will increase soon, whilst the other gets it for 13$.
This is making me consider dropping the set entirely.
You don't leave a mistake there since Day 1, Extend the drop so people can get another paycheck and then in the middle of the drop (weeks in) decide WITHOUT any warning, that you'll remove instantaneously and shaft the customer.
Guess GMK Laser will have an increased budget from me, unless this decision is either reverted (everyone pays the same), or entirely dishonored (everyone pays legitimate price).
Warning signs are available again. Just check the drop page again. There are now 4 warning signs kits. It took some time to work out the pricings for the new kits and it was not intentional to exasperate you in this regard. I hope you can understand.
Man up for their mistakes is all I say.
Summing up all sold kits on spreadsheet and adding taobao orders - SP SA Carbon R2 sold more than 18320 kit units, which is really impressive :)
Thank you!
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I can hardly remember the cries of the people who said that this is too expensive.
I am at the point where I am looking at my orders while mid production and I don't know what to do.
Do we have any information to fill the void I feel about this?
I am not new to this but, waiting sure sucks. Good thing is that my other Carbon goodies are on the way.
Some of you might like these: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hammer-sa-carbon-artisan-keycapShow Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/hammer-sa-carbon-artisan-keycap/Untitled_2_20170929113308.jpg)
Doing QC right now. You'll get your sets soon if we dont find any issues. But it looks fine so far.
Are you are the creator happy with how they came out?Absolutely. They came out as i have foreseen those in my imagination. Looking at the idea which became reallity makes it even better ;)
Absolutely. They came out as i have foreseen those in my imagination. Looking at the idea which became reallity makes it even better ;)
Doing QC right now. You'll get your sets soon if we dont find any issues. But it looks fine so far.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GUfcnsp.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/KhwO8ln.jpg)
Wait, you ran a second round of this, and I missed this one too?!
FML
Wait, you ran a second round of this, and I missed this one too?!
FML
:'(
Probably you were not active at that time. The drop took place on June 2017.
How close did this set come out to r1 SA sets? I was wondering as I know a few people with r1 sets that wanted a few extra keys for layouts they didn’t have when they bought r1.
Absolutely blown away by these. Just got finished making sure none of them were dups/damaged and couldn't be more excited to get these on a board!Nice!
Absolutely blown away by these. Just got finished making sure none of them were dups/damaged and couldn't be more excited to get these on a board!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180328/1d5ecb5cf8e67c2386d07964c2cd30a9.jpg)
Got some round 2 warning signs from mm to pair with my round 1. Not sure if I read somewhere the orange was a different colour code, is that true?
Got some round 2 warning signs from mm to pair with my round 1. Not sure if I read somewhere the orange was a different colour code, is that true?
Absolutely blown away by these. Just got finished making sure none of them were dups/damaged and couldn't be more excited to get these on a board!Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180328/1d5ecb5cf8e67c2386d07964c2cd30a9.jpg)
Here’s my board, care to share yours ?