Something tells me that anyone smart enough to be a hacker, who has enough experience with his chosen medicine, is going to be very familiar with his own tolerance levels, and quite accustomed to dealing with its effects. A hacker would know whether or not he could still perform acceptably while high... HOWEVER, any hacker working for the FBI, would almost certainly not show up to work, for the FBI, high. You're assuming people who consume cannabis are stupid; we're not.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm basing my statements on clear trends, which I admit, are not true for everyone, but not everybody can control their drug use. I am not taring all cannabis users with the same brush by saying they would all turn up to work stoned, but some may, and that's something that employers cannot risk. You should also not tar all cannabis users with the same brush and say that none of them are stupid. Some undoubtedly are, it's just a matter of ratios and statistics.
Furthermore, you are quite mistaken to assert that being stressed and agitated results in better productivity; it is extremely obvious that avoiding stress and staying relaxed, is far more conducive to mind/brain work (and is ultimately the same for physical work). You are also assuming that all "psychoactivity" must automatically be bad or result in a decrease in performance/productivity, which is also quite false. I have experienced several workplaces where staying as relaxed as possible was exponentially better than "letting it get to you" and stressing out. Stress impedes and disrupts almost everything, and is actually very damaging to a human, unless it occurs in controlled and moderated amounts and degrees, like deliberate exercise with proper form.
Yes, I totally agree. Stress is terrible for production, but it is something an employer thinks they can control by adjusting work flows and deadlines. Things like an altered state of conciousness, euphoria and disruption of linear memory are also counter productive, but an employee's drug use is not controllable by the employer, unless they impose restrictions on hiring (like the FBI has) or drugs tests.
you're clearly attempting to "pick a fight," and since i don't particularly enjoy being agitated or angry (or harassed), and i don't see that it's likely or probable that a person who doesn't want to understand, will ever understand based on my words (a total stranger)... i called it a quagmire and tried to run.
I'm not trying to harass you or pick a fight. You posted in this thread and I replied. You replied, I replied, countering your points. This is how a discussion works. As you have demonstrated, it is free to leave at any point, I'm not chasing you down with PMs or anything like that.
If you really wanted to know, you'd educate yourself; the information is not just "out there," it's all over the place out there. Only those who really want to understand, ever will. If you've already chosen to take a negative position on the matter, not only have you decided not to understand, you have also decided to passively endorse the unjust persecution and terrorism of innocent people who go out of their own ways to avoid unduly harming others (obviously there are bad apples in any selection of humans, and i'm not speaking for them; cannabis users typically care about compassion).
I do want to understand. I'm not anti-drugs, I just don't think they are for me. My SO takes a lot of different drugs, my brother smokes a lot of cannabis and a lot of my friends are prolific drug takers. I don't have anything against them, or against drugs. They can take them in front of me and I don't give a ****. It's when it starts impacting on other areas of your life that it becomes a problem.
My argument is not based on "ramblings of anti-establishment sentiment." My anti-establishment sentiment is based on the atrocities i have observed, whether directly or indirectly, and both the "official" reasoning, as well as the stuff they always deny, even when it's insultingly obvious. And yes, to impose harsh penalties (or any at all) on people who are only trying to enjoy their lives a little more (due to the fact that it makes people FEEL BETTER), and do so in ways where the effort to minimize harm to others, is maximized... that is injustice, and unacceptable anywhere, not just the US.
The reason i went with a "^this..." is right there in the statement you apparently chose not to understand. He said what i was thinking of saying.
And yes, all cannabis related punishments have indeed been atrocities.
It's atrocious to insist that it's justified to harm people who are relatively defenseless, and only want to feel better, and are not hurting anyone. (and no, they are not hurting themselves; they have weighed the pros and cons, and extensively pondered the cost:benefit ratio; any "harm" that cannabis ITSELF causes, is negligible in the face of its obvious benefits, some of which are psychological, promoting mental health and feelings of overall well-being; unjustified legal action taken against cannabis users, does not count as "them hurting themselves." These are not actions we initiate; these are impositions of terror and tyranny, initiated by an illegitimate and clearly corrupt system, who insists it's "right" to harm cannabis users, because they think the invalid, fraudulently established, incorrect law, is more important than allowing humans to do what makes them feel good, without harming anyone... and mostly because they are paid to think that)
I don't really understand how punishments towards cannabis users have been atrocities. People break the law, people get punished. You aren't being sent to Gitmo, held without trial unconstitutionally, if you could provide proof of how cannabis users have been persecuted and hunted down by the government, I would be more inclined to agree with you.
Forgive me if I don't agree with you that atrocities are being committed against cannabis users, in a country where 12 million people are free to legally smoke marijuana. Usually I would associate the word "atrocity" with Srebrenica, the gassing of the Kurds and the Rwandan genocide, not lawful punishment.
My main point throught all of this, is that drugs are illegal. Wether you like it or not, they are. All they have been doing over the last however many years, is upholding the law. They are the law.
Alright, here we go.
First, i appreciate your locution. That's a much better response than i anticipated, although i feel overwhelmed by the amount of linguistic gymnastic instruction required to address them all. Let's just say: "i see what you did there."
As far as i'm concerned it's a completely black and white issue: the only acceptable resolution is unrestricted safe access, which does not necessarily include "trade" of any kind. If anyone who is capable, should grow a fruit bearing plant from his "own" soil, with his own toil, and neither becomes unacceptably dangerous to others, nor uses said fruits as an "excuse" for their own actions (maintains personal accountability), then that person should be allowed to enjoy the reaping of what they've sown... not be threatened, intruded, assaulted, permanently and severely injured, or even dead... nor should they have their assets seized and be thrown in a cage... nor should they be "fined."
When the law is wrong, it is only because it was MADE WRONG; we must remain vigilant in maintaining the integrity of due process, or exactly what has happened, is the result. We have been infiltrated by an idea that a few people should control the rest of the people. While i do agree that "elites" are most likely most highly qualified for certain duties, that should not ever give them "the right" or "the authority" to violently oppress others who simply want to use something that is a potent competitor to the dominant pharmaceutical industry. They don't want us treating ourselves; they want us buying their products. The instant someone legally mandates that everyone MUST abstain from the competing and ancient, natural and practically harmless alternative to experimental and dangerous pharmaceuticals... they've gone too far. But this happened many, many years ago. It's not like nobody figured it out. Many people have known throughout the entire time. It's not just me and my ~20 years of experience, it's MILLIONS of "otherwise innocent" people.
And yes, when cops raid houses, kick in doors, shoot people's beloved pets, assaulting and aggressively handle all occupants, shouting, terrorizing, often injuring, sometimes blatantly murdering defenseless, unarmed, non-aggressive occupants, who, aside from their enjoyment of a plant, DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG... and even sometimes it's the wrong house! Fully innocent people who never go near cannabis, have had their lives destroyed by these maniacs. Not just the enforcers, all of them who perpetuate the injustice.
And why? Because they have a conflict of interest due to money links to the pharmaceutical lobbying, and, because "it's labeled wrong." And not just that they call the thing "wrong," when it clearly isn't, but that it is also incorrectly labeled; mislabeled... because the wrong people are doing the labeling! Shouldn't we let the experts handle this? Shouldn't we let the people who know the MOST about cannabis, and understand its benefits, be the ones deciding what is or isn't "good" cannabis protocol? Shouldn't we let the experience of the experienced, lead the way? I guarantee you all, the people who know the most about cannabis, are the most qualified to decide how it should be handled, and are in the best position to be able to self-impose limitations, in order to remain "in control."
But they won't even allow this to occur, because in all of the U.S.A., there is only One federally legal place allowed to grow cannabis, and that is at Ole Miss U.
The DEA and NIDA, will not allow what they, themselves, state would be the research prerequisites for them to even consider reevaluating it's classification. They have been artificially and unjustly stifling "due process" for at least 40 years. In fact, i would argue that, since the beginning of the entire process of the establishing of the marijuana tax act of 1937 (actually, it started a bit before then, but that's the date everyone "remembers"), they have knowingly, deliberately colluded and conspired with multiple other "important persons" and their related organizations, including but not limited to: big oil, big pharma, big textile, big prison, etc. All of this has been done fraudulently and intentionally, from the start. They ignore evidence that contradicts their assertions, and then refuse to allow anyone else to legally perform the experiments required to literally prove them wrong. And if anyone does it without permission, they'll just disregard it as "crime."
The most important part i will reference, is this:
"My main point throught all of this, is that drugs are illegal. Wether you like it or not, they are. All they have been doing over the last however many years, is upholding the law. They are the law."
Exactly: no one is denying the reality of the situation, though you have implied that.
If i were denying the realities of the situation, i wouldn't be expressing my outrage and disgust at this completely unacceptable, real situation.
THAT IS THE POINT! The reality that has been manufactured to abuse and exploit us, IS WRONG! That's what needs to change!
I'm not the one denying reality. I'm the one (of many) infuriated by it.
When the law is wrong, innocent people are still victims of actual crime: violence perpetuated against INNOCENT people, who are labeled "guilty" for breaking an INVALID law, which was only established due to Fraud and Propaganda. Everyone knows about "Reefer Madness." They're still trying to act like cannabis makes people "bad." It's simply false, and utterly deplorable. They know it, we know it, and they have the resources to impose injustice upon us all... even when that doesn't make them right, and doesn't make me wrong. They simply don't care that they're wrong and i'm right. All they care about is threatening people with violence in exchange for noncompliance; "obey or i'll hurt you, or maybe kill you." This is how they justify their "law." I never agreed to any such law. I don't think they have the right, regardless of whatever "official document" or whatever they feel like attempting to fabricate as an artificial premise, upon which to base their "authority." The only "authority" they have is violence and the fear thereof.
This "law" is commanding people to suffer needlessly, under the threat of disproportionately severe consequences, none of which have ever been legitimately justified.
And no, just because a state holds a vote and changes its laws, that doesn't mean the DEA and various other Federal organizations can't just swoop into whatever state, for any reason or none at all, and enforce laws the state has discarded, due to the will of the majority (of voters who voted, which isn't everyone).
Yes, "the law is the law," and that's exactly the problem: it needs to change. That is the reality of the situation... but they are able to prevent their own allegedly democratic citizens from voting to overturn a preposterous and fraudulently established precedent, and continue harming people who do not deserve it.
There was something else i wanted to say... maybe i'll come back if i think of it.
Oh, that's it, i was going to propose the notion that perhaps "FBI is struggling to hire hackers who don't smoke weed," because most of the hackers worth their salt, who don't smoke weed, likely already have pretty good jobs (or maybe don't even need a "job," and are essentially their own boss... meaning they wouldn't have to worry about urinalysis... ^^); maybe the FBI isn't really making a good enough offer to attract much more than the "stoner hackers" who don't get employed elsewhere due to their cannabis enthusiasm? Who knows. I'm sure they'll manage to find someone.
And yes, police gunning people down for growing plants, peacefully, in their own homes, minding their own business (mostly), and then claiming they "felt threatened" (by a startled and frightened person who is experiencing an unjustified intrusion into their own home... OF COURSE you felt threatened! You know you shouldn't be doing that! How do you think that guy you shot felt? Do you think he was maybe terrified when you invaded his home over some plants?) by the occupant... as if that makes any difference at all. If a regular person broke into someone's home waving a gun, shouting, and killed the occupant... he'd get an outrageous sentence. And a guy who grew plants would be punished almost just as severely, sometimes even worse.
How can anyone not understand how wildly wrong and unacceptable that is?
And yet, here we are... and it has come to this... and we have little recourse, if any at all.
Anyway, i think that whatever anyone else wants to do with their own life and their own body, is their business, even if i dislike it, as long as it doesn't cause me any actual problems. If people want to hate on weed and derogate me and my kind, fine. But bribing lawmakers to pass laws that "legally obligate" me to pay taxes for the gov't to turn around and spend on persecuting cannabis users, entirely unjustly?
How can anyone think this is acceptable? I shouldn't have to pay the gov't to impose unacceptable restrictions on me, backed by threat of violence, imprisonment, and potentially death. I definitely will not continue subscribing to THAT service. That service is harming me and countless others, without our consent, and refusing to correct itself. No buy. Unsubscribe. Blacklist, until my completely reasonable demands are met. I can't trust them not to spend my tax dollars on terrorizing people (potentially including myself), so i cannot in good conscience vote with my dollar, for them to continue their unacceptable behaviors. And that principle has some pretty dire implications... but what other choice am i allowed? Their bad rules are causing my suffering, no matter what i choose... so i'm going to choose the things i like most, while i'm still able to do so, and try not to be too upset when my end comes sooner than i would have liked. It'll be okay, because i'm kinda ready to not be a human on planet earth anymore (even if that means forever nothingness; that would be better than living under the oppression and tyranny.
If you really want to learn, start
here. (this site is brand new to me, but it seems like it's headed in the right direction...)
Harry J. Anslinger and William Randolph Hearst played key roles in facilitating this defrauding of the law system. It's even on wikipedia. I find it astonishing that anyone doesn't already know this stuff... but i can certainly see how it happens.
Anyway, things are things, and i have no ill-will toward anyone here, just an opinion that my body is my business, and if i'm not hurting anyone
else, regardless of whether i damage myself in any way... that's my problem, not yours, and not anyone else's.
