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Atreus62
« on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 10:16:34 »
So I just received the prototypes for the Atreus62 PCBs I designed.

These are 62 key varients of the Atreus. They have 2 extra columns and an extra row.

They utilize a Pro micro and run QMK.

Everything checks out and they will be for sale soon.







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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 13:09:13 »
looks good..

is there a split version in the works ?

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 19:52:05 »
Cool.  Who designed this?  Did you?
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 20:06:02 »
Cool.  Who designed this?  Did you?


It's my PCB design.. yes.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 20:18:18 »
Although I prefer a black acrylic / carbon fiber version, this is gorgeous!

Some typing demo video please.  :-*
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 17 November 2016, 19:55:15 »
Cool.  Who designed this?  Did you?


It's my PCB design.. yes.

Wow, nice job.  I always thought an expanded Atreus was a great idea.  Look forward to seeing it on sale.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 23 November 2016, 23:35:43 »
Ooh. I'm looking forward to seeing this kit go on sale.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 07:04:10 »
It's available for sale.

PM for details.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 02 December 2016, 00:58:40 »
Ordered this - very excited about the prospect of an Atreus with a number row, etc.  Trying to plan a keymap.  Is there a "default" you could point to at keyboard-layout-editor.com?

I found this, but I'm having trouble figuring out some of the codes.

https://github.com/jackhumbert/qmk_firmware/blob/master/keyboards/atreus62/keymaps/default/keymap.c

From what I can tell, the 7th column is mostly open, except for what looks like delete and enter, which are transposed vertically.  I assume they will map to the thumbs somehow, correct?





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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 02 December 2016, 06:41:12 »
The middle column is the thumb keys. There are no other keys in that column. The "missing" keys exist because of the nature of a keyboard matrix.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 02 December 2016, 07:03:57 »
looks good..

is there a split version in the works ?

Hope to see a split version also. Or can you share the pcb design? Am hoping to design my own.

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 02 December 2016, 09:06:59 »
For now, what I have available is in my new online store. See the product announcement thread.
« Last Edit: Fri, 02 December 2016, 17:57:00 by profet »
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 00:58:33 »
Very cool, Atreus is awesome, this has end game potential. Will likely purchase

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 11:07:41 »
i ended up buying a case and pcb. i think im past 20 keyboards now
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 11:10:22 »
Just packed them up... they'll go out today.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 13 December 2016, 20:42:47 »
Got mine in today safe, good job packing, lots of protection, USPS is super abusive these days



I love the idea of veneer as a build material for keyboards, it seems sturdy and scratch resistant. However the laser cutting left a really smelling odor I'm sure will eventually go away

I'm going to try to build this tomorrow and I'll post plenty of pictures and a review video later on like I did with te original Atreus. Good job man
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 13 December 2016, 21:00:44 »
Awesome! Make sure to read through and follow the build guide:

https://github.com/profet23/atreus62/blob/master/build-guide/README.md

Take note of how the controller is soldered.


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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 14 December 2016, 22:28:31 »
Got mine built and programed, it was easy to build in fact i spent more time on the winavr/driver/qmk stuff due to recently doing a clean install of windows and deciding how i wanted my layout

Zelios 65g, Granite Keycaps for now, i think it looks OK

i did use my own m2 screws with a m3 diameter m2 socket tubes to hide the screws and not making the keyboard super thick, i did this with my ergodox

more pictures and review later on, ill be using it all day tomorrow for work, so far so good





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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 15 December 2016, 12:21:42 »
with retro caps to match atreus 40%

i think these are the only caps (that i own that are not SA) that really work with this wood veneer stuff, i think if i did a redo i would have got a black or white case instead



so ive been typing alot with it today and i think it is a great keyboard and is going to replace my ergodox as my daily driver.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 15 December 2016, 12:47:41 »
Awesome!

I really like the walnut with Nantucket Selectric as well:

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 31 December 2016, 02:46:03 »
Have you considered 2*2 thumb cluster?

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 09 January 2017, 17:29:42 »
with retro caps to match atreus 40%

i think these are the only caps (that i own that are not SA) that really work with this wood veneer stuff, i think if i did a redo i would have got a black or white case instead

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so ive been typing alot with it today and i think it is a great keyboard and is going to replace my ergodox as my daily driver.
I'm just starting to build an Atreus62. I'm digging the screws you used. I ended up getting some M3 screws and "Self Clinching Standoffs" from ebay. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/391599612326) They haven't arrived yet, but I already know I will have to drill/cut my bottom layer and a spacer larger to fit the nut. Do you mind sharing what you used? I'm definitely interested in something a bit simpler. Thanks!

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 17 January 2017, 19:00:33 »
I've ordered a PCB a few weeks ago (it's still in customs). I thought I could use your PCB in combination with a bluefruit EZ-Key to make a bluetooth Atreus62. By checking the build pictures it seems all pins of the pro micro are already in use, which would make a bluetooth version impossible. Am I right about this?

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 18 January 2017, 19:14:46 »
Correct. All the pins are required for the 62 key Atreus.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 19 January 2017, 07:16:41 »
Sorry for the stupid question, BUT using a teensy 2 instead of the pro micro should work I guess. Since the pinout is different from the pro micro I had to handwire the PCB to the teensy and adjust the height of the case, but it should probably do it, right?
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #25 on: Sat, 21 January 2017, 01:40:07 »
I might purchase one of these if the preonic I have on the way is too hard on my wrists. Walnut case with either zealios or mod switches.

edit: the preonic was bad for me. I am getting an atreus. Already ordered all the electrical components. Does anyone know if the pcb is compatible with holtites?
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 30 January 2017, 04:16:20 »
Currently rocking two TEK's but looking for alternatives because they keep failing :(

Would seriously consider this if it had F-keys.

Is this something you're looking into?
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 30 January 2017, 06:33:13 »
Currently rocking two TEK's but looking for alternatives because they keep failing :(

Would seriously consider this if it had F-keys.

Is this something you're looking into?


The F keys are on a secondary layer in the default firmware. The keyboard is fully programmable with QMK, so you can put them wherever you like.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 30 January 2017, 07:08:12 »
For anyone interested: I wired up my teensy2 like this
159024-0
Red are rows
Green are columns
Yellow means ground
Magenta are LEDs and
Blue is meant to be communicate with an Bluefruit EZ-key (which I will add if everything else is working).

I used the QMK Firmware Builder to create a layout. This json-file can be loaded in the firmware builder to see what I've done (and it could be used as base for any other Atreus62) * aplustest.json (42.12 kB - downloaded 50 times.)
I created a hex and flashed the teensy with it.

I triple checked the pins I used, but no matter what key I press I get no visible output.

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 30 January 2017, 08:13:50 »
Make sure you are using ROW2COL  and not COL2ROW.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 30 January 2017, 15:55:49 »
That's it!! Thank you profet.

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 06 February 2017, 04:36:56 »
Currently rocking two TEK's but looking for alternatives because they keep failing :(

Would seriously consider this if it had F-keys.

Is this something you're looking into?


The F keys are on a secondary layer in the default firmware. The keyboard is fully programmable with QMK, so you can put them wherever you like.

As a software developer I use the F-keys hourly and so having them behind F-layer is not an option :(

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 06 February 2017, 06:28:52 »
Currently rocking two TEK's but looking for alternatives because they keep failing :(

Would seriously consider this if it had F-keys.

Is this something you're looking into?


The F keys are on a secondary layer in the default firmware. The keyboard is fully programmable with QMK, so you can put them wherever you like.

As a software developer I use the F-keys hourly and so having them behind F-layer is not an option :(

I'm curious, why? I'm also a software developer, and while I use the F-keys considerably less, I have a number of symbols that require a modifier. I see no big difference between Fn+x and Shift+x, for example. Especially when you use it hourly only, so not too often, I don't really see why hiding it on a layer is an issue... I'd like to understand why you think so, genuinely.

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 09 February 2017, 08:45:39 »
Currently rocking two TEK's but looking for alternatives because they keep failing :(

Would seriously consider this if it had F-keys.

Is this something you're looking into?


The F keys are on a secondary layer in the default firmware. The keyboard is fully programmable with QMK, so you can put them wherever you like.

As a software developer I use the F-keys hourly and so having them behind F-layer is not an option :(

I'm curious, why? I'm also a software developer, and while I use the F-keys considerably less, I have a number of symbols that require a modifier. I see no big difference between Fn+x and Shift+x, for example. Especially when you use it hourly only, so not too often, I don't really see why hiding it on a layer is an issue... I'd like to understand why you think so, genuinely.

I think you are confusing F-keys with Fn-map.

I hit the F2 key (rename XXX in Visual Studio) more than I use the letter Q for example.
Same for F6, F7, F8 and F10
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 09 February 2017, 09:15:23 »
If you use them so much, have you considered placing them on a non-conventional place. For example the 1U keys on the thumb cluster are pretty bad as modifiers, but putting your most used F# keys there directly might be a good idea, probably much better than their usual spot at the top. That wouldn't exclude you from placing them somewhere else as well, for example the top row under a modifier (for consistency). I think algernons point was to simply state that using a modifier to access the F# keys isn't that bad. The Ergodox comes with more options(read: keys) to set up function layers, for less reaching, than the TEK, and comfortably so.

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 09 February 2017, 09:37:36 »
Currently rocking two TEK's but looking for alternatives because they keep failing :(

Would seriously consider this if it had F-keys.

Is this something you're looking into?


The F keys are on a secondary layer in the default firmware. The keyboard is fully programmable with QMK, so you can put them wherever you like.

As a software developer I use the F-keys hourly and so having them behind F-layer is not an option :(

I'm curious, why? I'm also a software developer, and while I use the F-keys considerably less, I have a number of symbols that require a modifier. I see no big difference between Fn+x and Shift+x, for example. Especially when you use it hourly only, so not too often, I don't really see why hiding it on a layer is an issue... I'd like to understand why you think so, genuinely.

I think you are confusing F-keys with Fn-map.

I hit the F2 key (rename XXX in Visual Studio) more than I use the letter Q for example.
Same for F6, F7, F8 and F10

No, I'm not confusing them. What I meant is, what's the difference between ( requiring Shift+9, and F2 requiring Fn+2 (for example)? There are a number of keys and symbols one uses a lot as a programmer, yet, on most keyboards and layouts, require a modifier. If that's ok, why aren't function keys? It's even possible to have layers so a layer key on the left side turns the number row on the right into function keys, and vice versa, so using them is efficient, and only needs a little bit of muscle-memory training.

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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 14 February 2017, 19:10:12 »
Currently rocking two TEK's but looking for alternatives because they keep failing :(

Would seriously consider this if it had F-keys.

Is this something you're looking into?


The F keys are on a secondary layer in the default firmware. The keyboard is fully programmable with QMK, so you can put them wherever you like.

As a software developer I use the F-keys hourly and so having them behind F-layer is not an option :(

I'm curious, why? I'm also a software developer, and while I use the F-keys considerably less, I have a number of symbols that require a modifier. I see no big difference between Fn+x and Shift+x, for example. Especially when you use it hourly only, so not too often, I don't really see why hiding it on a layer is an issue... I'd like to understand why you think so, genuinely.

I think you are confusing F-keys with Fn-map.

I hit the F2 key (rename XXX in Visual Studio) more than I use the letter Q for example.
Same for F6, F7, F8 and F10

No, I'm not confusing them. What I meant is, what's the difference between ( requiring Shift+9, and F2 requiring Fn+2 (for example)? There are a number of keys and symbols one uses a lot as a programmer, yet, on most keyboards and layouts, require a modifier. If that's ok, why aren't function keys? It's even possible to have layers so a layer key on the left side turns the number row on the right into function keys, and vice versa, so using them is efficient, and only needs a little bit of muscle-memory training.

Anyone complaining about lack of function row on a 60% board doesn't understand the concept of layers and reprogrammability.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 14 February 2017, 19:13:04 »
After typing on an Atreus62 for a little I don't understand why the innermost columns are staggered. Obviously the four main columns are staggered because your fingers are staggered, but your index finger is reaching to the inner columns, it's not got its dedicated finger. Thus, they should be in line with the 2nd innermost column.

It's an excellent stepping stone to an ergodox but I feel that anyone willing to take on a layout like this is willing to go to an ergodox. Very useful keyboard in my library of boards that I use to convert my co workers to more ergonomic setups.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 17 February 2017, 13:32:16 »
with retro caps to match atreus 40%

i think these are the only caps (that i own that are not SA) that really work with this wood veneer stuff, i think if i did a redo i would have got a black or white case instead

Show Image


so ive been typing alot with it today and i think it is a great keyboard and is going to replace my ergodox as my daily driver.
I'm just starting to build an Atreus62. I'm digging the screws you used. I ended up getting some M3 screws and "Self Clinching Standoffs" from ebay. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/391599612326) They haven't arrived yet, but I already know I will have to drill/cut my bottom layer and a spacer larger to fit the nut. Do you mind sharing what you used? I'm definitely interested in something a bit simpler. Thanks!

I am sorry i missed your message, i sent you a PM, might as well paste it here

i dont remember where i got them but essentially they are m2 inner thread, m3 diameter outer barrel female-female standoff tubes

you just get ones 1/2 the thickness of the atreus, ergodox, etc and then get 2 m2 screws per hole for each side, each 1/3-1/4 the length of the thickness of the atreus

http://www.ebay.com/itm/20x-8mm-Threaded-M2-Brass-Female-Female-Standoff-Spacer-/130766426470?hash=item1e72495166:m:m1nWmEU3CT073MwwBw9vOyA

i know i used countersunk m2 screws but use at your own risk, they can cause damage to hole if you screw too tight
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 16 March 2017, 13:20:07 »
Do you have the KLE JSON for this?

Also Tp4 how would a split of this be any different than an ergodox with a neutered thumb cluster and more aggressive column stagger?
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 16 March 2017, 15:24:55 »
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88278.0

A related project, hence the request for the KLE.
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Re: Atreus62
« Reply #41 on: Sun, 16 April 2017, 23:25:12 »
Do you have the KLE JSON for this?

Also Tp4 how would a split of this be any different than an ergodox with a neutered thumb cluster and more aggressive column stagger?

Just made a KLE layout myself as I am about to solder together one and am thinking about keymappings.

Hopefully this helps you in some small way, as the idea for an Atentus is neat! I'm less concerned with portability right now (I mean, hence the Atrues62 choice vs the original Atreus), so I may play with the idea some and make a desktop/fixed tent angle version.