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[IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 01:06:52 »
Everything below this paragraph is copied from Reddit, where I first put it up. A layout that some of you may be interested in at a slightly more affordable price point. Basically a fully programmable 65 with a numberpad on the left with dedicated arrows either on the left or right. I am working with the vendor and manufacture of the EEPQ xd60 to give a general idea of what the final product will be like. The final design and prouction of the PCB, cases, and plates will be done by them while I will be providing concepts, rough CAD drawings and ideas. I've been with the community on Reddit for a few years, but am not too familliar with GH so feel free to correct any issues with the post. Below is also a basic render of the high profile case and a plate. The plate that will be used in the end will be a universal plate but the one shown is just a placeholder for now.

Reddit Link - https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/65t9g1/ic_25_xd60_update_25_xd84_gb_65_with_left_hand/





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I also inquired about a layout that I have been interested in for a while which is a 65% with a number pad on the left side. A layout that is a little more ergonomic and logical with those that use a mouse on the right or just would like a number pad on the left. It will be a traditional 65% (think tada68) with a number pad on the left. It can also be built up with an arrow cluster smashed in between the number pad and the rest of the board with a 1u “0” and a 1u enter on the number pad as well as a 6u shift if you want symmetrical right Ctrl and Alt keys. Not sure of the timeline for this, but there is a slight possibility that it might be shipped out mid June if not mid July. Prices are TBD, but you would be looking at a kit (PCB, plate, case, stabs) starting at around $80 for a complete kit and go all the way up to $200 depending on what case you would like. Vendor says a sample can be mocked up in about 30 days so if I see enough interest in this, I’ll go ahead and sink some of my own funds into prototyping. Unlike the XD60 and the XD84, this is not a "budget oriented" group buy, so these boards will be considerably more than what is currently available on the market, but there are options that are pretty reasonably priced.

Southpaw 65+
- 65% with a number pad on the left.
- Left or right dedicated arrow cluster
- PCB is being designed by the Vendor. This means it’ll probably share features like flexible layouts and programmability with their other boards. (i.e. the XD60)
- I will most likely receive these Mid July. If we’re lucky, Mid June
- There’s gonna be about a month or so of a gap between the IC and the GB for prototyping, so be patient with this one.
- Probably will offer the same case options like the bent plate, ABS, and Aluminum.
- $100-200 for kits. depending on case (based on estimate from vendor)
- MOQ of 50 units per option. The more the better.
- Each kit will contain a PCB, Plate and Case as well as hardware needed to complete the board.


EDIT: PCB will be supporting Alps swtitches.   :D

Imgur Link for layouts and basic case+plate renders - http://imgur.com/a/urzpe
Keyboard Layout Editor Link - http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/0229aa11114e8886c646df177ad5e4f2

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 01:14:06 »
definitely interested, especially if we can get a high profile alu case. Any chance for alps support?
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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 01:27:08 »
definitely interested, especially if we can get a high profile alu case. Any chance for alps support?

There's chance for alps support since this PCB is being custom built. I'll definetly talk to design about it. The high profile case will be the one that's crudely rendered at the top. I designed it with 5 degree rise if that matters much. The IC form shows a fair ammount of interest for the alu case so if it doesn't reach 50, I might look into buying the rest.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 01:37:45 »
definitely interested, especially if we can get a high profile alu case. Any chance for alps support?

There's chance for alps support since this PCB is being custom built. I'll definetly talk to design about it. The high profile case will be the one that's crudely rendered at the top. I designed it with 5 degree rise if that matters much. The IC form shows a fair ammount of interest for the alu case so if it doesn't reach 50, I might look into buying the rest.

Hope alps support works out. I've always wanted a monarch, and with this maybe a faux-narch isn't impossible.
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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 13:13:47 »
definitely interested, especially if we can get a high profile alu case. Any chance for alps support?

There's chance for alps support since this PCB is being custom built. I'll definetly talk to design about it. The high profile case will be the one that's crudely rendered at the top. I designed it with 5 degree rise if that matters much. The IC form shows a fair ammount of interest for the alu case so if it doesn't reach 50, I might look into buying the rest.

Hope alps support works out. I've always wanted a monarch, and with this maybe a faux-narch isn't impossible.

Alright, shot an email to the vendor and it looks like there could possibly be alps support. Might take a little more time and require a few more funds, but it should be viable if I reach the 50 unit MOQ in the IC form.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 13:34:36 »
****in weird

will consider getting one for the right price

$100-200 is definitely in the range i'd like to see
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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 13:35:51 »
Interested if Alps.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 17:46:29 »
If it's a high profile aluminum case, I'm in.  I tried getting a board with this layout from Apollos years ago but that never panned out.  Here's hoping this one has better luck.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 19:22:33 »
Interested in High profile Case or CNC like the RS68.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 19:23:12 »
****in weird

will consider getting one for the right price

$100-200 is definitely in the range i'd like to see

Did some calculations and was able to get the price down a little. Price range starts at $80 for the bent plate and goes all the way to $180 for the CNC alu case.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 19:26:38 »
Interested in High profile Case or CNC like the RS68.

If you can, fill out an interest check form. Helps me keep track of what you guys want. The rendered case+plate is what the high profile case will come to look like. 5 degree rise on it. The Case will have edges that come all the way to the bottom of the keycaps like a tada68 or a va68m

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« Reply #11 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 19:34:23 »
Interested in High profile Case or CNC like the RS68.

If you can, fill out an interest check form. Helps me keep track of what you guys want. The rendered case+plate is what the high profile case will come to look like. 5 degree rise on it. The Case will have edges that come all the way to the bottom of the keycaps like a tada68 or a va68m

Yeah cool thank you :).


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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 21:48:05 »
definitely interested, especially if we can get a high profile alu case. Any chance for alps support?

There's chance for alps support since this PCB is being custom built. I'll definetly talk to design about it. The high profile case will be the one that's crudely rendered at the top. I designed it with 5 degree rise if that matters much. The IC form shows a fair ammount of interest for the alu case so if it doesn't reach 50, I might look into buying the rest.

Hope alps support works out. I've always wanted a monarch, and with this maybe a faux-narch isn't impossible.

Alright, shot an email to the vendor and it looks like there could possibly be alps support. Might take a little more time and require a few more funds, but it should be viable if I reach the 50 unit MOQ in the IC form.

edited my submission to show my support for ALPS compatibility.  I assume the PCB can be mx/alps compatible, just that you need to get the numbers for people interested in an alps compatible plate?
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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 21:50:06 »
definitely interested, especially if we can get a high profile alu case. Any chance for alps support?

There's chance for alps support since this PCB is being custom built. I'll definetly talk to design about it. The high profile case will be the one that's crudely rendered at the top. I designed it with 5 degree rise if that matters much. The IC form shows a fair ammount of interest for the alu case so if it doesn't reach 50, I might look into buying the rest.

Hope alps support works out. I've always wanted a monarch, and with this maybe a faux-narch isn't impossible.

Alright, shot an email to the vendor and it looks like there could possibly be alps support. Might take a little more time and require a few more funds, but it should be viable if I reach the 50 unit MOQ in the IC form.

Should I refill out the IC form to show my support for an ALPS version? I assume the PCB can be mx/alps compatible, just that you need to get the numbers for people interested in an alps compatible plate?

Ok, just added it as an option at the very end of the form. You should be able to edit your form for it. Just tack it on at the end.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 19 April 2017, 10:42:30 »
Any possibility of splitting the 2u keys on the keypad into all 1u?  It'd be pretty cool to have a 65% board with a 5x4 "macro pad" connected on the left.

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 19 April 2017, 18:04:34 »
Any possibility of splitting the 2u keys on the keypad into all 1u?  It'd be pretty cool to have a 65% board with a 5x4 "macro pad" connected on the left.

Yeah, will most likely get that too since there shouldn't be anything keeping us from doing that.

Also, alps support is confirmed on the PCB. Just need to figure out what to do with the plate now. Anyone have any experience with alps switches on universal plates? They don't seem to have any support on any sides on universal plates so they seem to just be resting on the solder joints. Not sure how good that would be for the solder joints themselves.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 20 April 2017, 01:12:54 »
Any possibility of splitting the 2u keys on the keypad into all 1u?  It'd be pretty cool to have a 65% board with a 5x4 "macro pad" connected on the left.

Also, alps support is confirmed on the PCB.


You beautiful human being! Time to start looking for an applicable alps set, 80% chance I'm in for it with alps. Hope you can find someone to help with the plate.
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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 20 April 2017, 01:31:31 »
Any possibility of splitting the 2u keys on the keypad into all 1u?  It'd be pretty cool to have a 65% board with a 5x4 "macro pad" connected on the left.

Also, alps support is confirmed on the PCB.


You beautiful human being! Time to start looking for an applicable alps set, 80% chance I'm in for it with alps. Hope you can find someone to help with the plate.

You seem a little more knowledgeable with alps than I am and I was wondering if there's a way to mount alps switches directly to the PCB since I can't seem to find any alps that are PCB mount specific. The thing is that the alps plate should be completely fine everywhere save for the portions of the plates that are completely open horizontally like at the right arrow cluster and where the 2u "+", "enter" and "0" on the numberpad would mount. At those points, the plate would not provide any support at all for alps since the cherry/alps cutouts are cut so that they brace cherry switches top and bottom while the alps switches are braced left and right.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 20 April 2017, 05:33:10 »
You seem a little more knowledgeable with alps than I am and I was wondering if there's a way to mount alps switches directly to the PCB since I can't seem to find any alps that are PCB mount specific. The thing is that the alps plate should be completely fine everywhere save for the portions of the plates that are completely open horizontally like at the right arrow cluster and where the 2u "+", "enter" and "0" on the numberpad would mount. At those points, the plate would not provide any support at all for alps since the cherry/alps cutouts are cut so that they brace cherry switches top and bottom while the alps switches are braced left and right.

I ran into the same issue with the UK78, the best solution is to have a separate Alps plate as Alps don't have any pcb support like Cherry switches.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 20 April 2017, 20:30:04 »
You seem a little more knowledgeable with alps than I am and I was wondering if there's a way to mount alps switches directly to the PCB since I can't seem to find any alps that are PCB mount specific. The thing is that the alps plate should be completely fine everywhere save for the portions of the plates that are completely open horizontally like at the right arrow cluster and where the 2u "+", "enter" and "0" on the numberpad would mount. At those points, the plate would not provide any support at all for alps since the cherry/alps cutouts are cut so that they brace cherry switches top and bottom while the alps switches are braced left and right.

I ran into the same issue with the UK78, the best solution is to have a separate Alps plate as Alps don't have any pcb support like Cherry switches.

Don't you run into the issue of being stuck with a single layout if you opt for support on the alps swtiches? With a plate that supports more than one switch position, you simply widen the swtich opening on the plate, right? If you do that with alps swtiches (because of how they are supported by the plate from the side) you end up with support on a single side (gives a really odd feel?) or with no support at all, right?

The same exact issue applies with alps switches on a cherry+alps plate, right? Is there any other reason why an alps only plate would have an advantage other than switch alignment?

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 20 April 2017, 20:33:49 »
I have been trying to... squeeze "numpad" in 60% / 65% board but it's not working at all.

I'm interested in this PCB if it support split-spacebar. (IMO, split-spacebar is a must for 60%/65%)
I think I can self-supply acrylic case, so I only need PCB.

I will keep my eyes on high profile alu case though.
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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 20 April 2017, 20:45:03 »
I have been trying to... squeeze "numpad" in 60% / 65% board but it's not working at all.

I'm interested in this PCB if it support split-spacebar. (IMO, split-spacebar is a must for 60%/65%)
I think I can self-supply acrylic case, so I only need PCB.

I will keep my eyes on high profile alu case though.

So after a number of possible designs and looking over dimensions, the Vendor, Designer and I weren't able to fit a split space in because of the lack of space. The controller is basically a slimmed down teensy and is positioned horizontally along the bottom where the empty space between the spacebar switch and the stabilizer is. This means that it takes up the space of where a swtich for a split space is. 

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 20 April 2017, 21:36:37 »
Any possibility of splitting the 2u keys on the keypad into all 1u?  It'd be pretty cool to have a 65% board with a 5x4 "macro pad" connected on the left.

Also, alps support is confirmed on the PCB.


You beautiful human being! Time to start looking for an applicable alps set, 80% chance I'm in for it with alps. Hope you can find someone to help with the plate.

You seem a little more knowledgeable with alps than I am and I was wondering if there's a way to mount alps switches directly to the PCB since I can't seem to find any alps that are PCB mount specific. The thing is that the alps plate should be completely fine everywhere save for the portions of the plates that are completely open horizontally like at the right arrow cluster and where the 2u "+", "enter" and "0" on the numberpad would mount. At those points, the plate would not provide any support at all for alps since the cherry/alps cutouts are cut so that they brace cherry switches top and bottom while the alps switches are braced left and right.

I'm no real expert, I just really enjoy alps switches, but I've been asking around, and I think the most secure option would be to include an option for an ALPS only plate, instead of doing the mx/alps compatibility, so that you don't make too many compromises and we end up with a non-enjoyable experience regardless which switch you use.

Alternatively, I noticed that the swillKB builder has an option to output an MX + ALPS compatible plate. Maybe that might be able to help some? Haven't had the time to play with it myself unfortunately. Link found here: http://builder.swillkb.com/
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Apple Standard M0116 - Orange ALPS
Diverge TM 2 - 67g Stealios
Rosewill RK9000 - MX Blues
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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 21 April 2017, 06:48:32 »
You seem a little more knowledgeable with alps than I am and I was wondering if there's a way to mount alps switches directly to the PCB since I can't seem to find any alps that are PCB mount specific. The thing is that the alps plate should be completely fine everywhere save for the portions of the plates that are completely open horizontally like at the right arrow cluster and where the 2u "+", "enter" and "0" on the numberpad would mount. At those points, the plate would not provide any support at all for alps since the cherry/alps cutouts are cut so that they brace cherry switches top and bottom while the alps switches are braced left and right.

I ran into the same issue with the UK78, the best solution is to have a separate Alps plate as Alps don't have any pcb support like Cherry switches.

Don't you run into the issue of being stuck with a single layout if you opt for support on the alps swtiches? With a plate that supports more than one switch position, you simply widen the swtich opening on the plate, right? If you do that with alps swtiches (because of how they are supported by the plate from the side) you end up with support on a single side (gives a really odd feel?) or with no support at all, right?

The same exact issue applies with alps switches on a cherry+alps plate, right? Is there any other reason why an alps only plate would have an advantage other than switch alignment?

Yes the plate would act as a switch alignment plate rather than support. It is that or have separate switchplates for different Alps layouts.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 21 April 2017, 09:39:47 »
I would be interested in this. Seems like the case could use some development but otherwise there is definitely a market for this.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 21 April 2017, 13:18:19 »
How about making the numpad in an option that is left-handed? In other words, with + and Enter on the left side.
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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 21 April 2017, 20:12:40 »
Not a lefty, but DEFINITELY in for one, maybe two...

I like the ability to have a numpad (I don't mind using a numpad left or right-handed) while maintaining mouse ergonomics on the right side.

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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 23 April 2017, 23:42:57 »
How about making the numpad in an option that is left-handed? In other words, with + and Enter on the left side.

So there won't be an option for a 2u plus and enter on the left side of the numberpad for clearance reasons on the PCB and the plate, but the numberpad can be configured as a 4x5 sorta macropad which would give you the ability to throw the plus and the enter on the 1u keys on the left.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 13:21:44 »
Alright, so im a handful of weeks out now from getting the samples and was wondering if anyone has any more input before a case is mocked up for it. The PCB will have alps and MX support, and the plate will be a cherry MX/Alps combo plate with the indented corner cutout pattern. The MOQ is around 50 units which I think that we can achieve. If it gets pretty close to 40, I'm willing to sink some of my own funds and buy up extras.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 21:49:20 »
Man, even though I'm a topre nerd I'm actually considering this since the ergonomics and functionality of a left-hand numpad would be rather useful for work (would want split backspace).  Right-hand numpads must only exist because of tradition, being on the left just makes more sense.  Could throw in Zealios or MOD switches since other topre nerds seem to like those the most of the MX switches.
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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 22:01:01 »
Man, even though I'm a topre nerd I'm actually considering this since the ergonomics and functionality of a left-hand numpad would be rather useful for work (would want split backspace).  Right-hand numpads must only exist because of legacy, being on the left just makes more sense.
Exactly what I had thought. I have been doing some CAD work lately and have really wondered how much nicer it would be with the same mouse placement as a 60 or 65% and to be able to have a numberpad on the side.

Also, the number pad should also be able to be built up as a 4x5 macropad, so for those that want something were they can switch between a macropad (for playing games) and a numberpad (for being productive?), this might be it.

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 28 April 2017, 00:31:02 »
I would be really interested in the + and enter on the numpad being on the left side;  I think it might feel more natural actuating them with the left pinky, opposed to the index. I feel like the three dominant fingers would like to use the numbers more than the pinky.

Super interested in this. Excited to see it move another step beyond the reddit thread. =]

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 28 April 2017, 02:28:54 »
I would be really interested in the + and enter on the numpad being on the left side;  I think it might feel more natural actuating them with the left pinky, opposed to the index. I feel like the three dominant fingers would like to use the numbers more than the pinky.

Super interested in this. Excited to see it move another step beyond the reddit thread. =]

With the left side Plus and Enter, I talked to the designer about it and it seems that there isn't enough room on that side to accomadate all the numberpad layouts (2u zero, 2u enter, 2u plus, 4x5 1u numberpad) which means that it would require a different pcb to accommodate the layouts.

I'm thinking that I could really use the 2u enter and plus keys on the side closer to the alphas though. They would be accessable with your pinky when typing and with your thumb when working on the numberpad. The neat thing is that if you wanted, you could map a macro or some other key onto the 2u keys for games and such for quick access keys that you can mash in an instant. Another thing is that I'm trying to keep too many holes in the PCB from overlapping because as it stands, the PCB should be holtite compatable since it uses the same specs as the xd60 / EEPW PCBs. There are some places I know that there won't be complete coverage on the holtite sockets (RH arrow cluster area) because of overlapping switch placement, but it seems that a lot of people still have been able to run holtites with the overlapping holes. The crucial difference here is that the PCB will also be set up for alps switches and from looking at the left side of the numberpad, will have some pretty unusable solder points if its set up for all the layouts.

It is something that I am interested in though since it might be a little more natural for some people to have the 2u keys on the left so if I can somehow fit it in, I definetly will  :D

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Re: [IC] Southpaw 65+, a 65% with a left hand numberpad
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 28 April 2017, 09:34:25 »
I would be really interested in the + and enter on the numpad being on the left side;  I think it might feel more natural actuating them with the left pinky, opposed to the index. I feel like the three dominant fingers would like to use the numbers more than the pinky.

Super interested in this. Excited to see it move another step beyond the reddit thread. =]

With the left side Plus and Enter, I talked to the designer about it and it seems that there isn't enough room on that side to accomadate all the numberpad layouts (2u zero, 2u enter, 2u plus, 4x5 1u numberpad) which means that it would require a different pcb to accommodate the layouts.

I'm thinking that I could really use the 2u enter and plus keys on the side closer to the alphas though. They would be accessable with your pinky when typing and with your thumb when working on the numberpad. The neat thing is that if you wanted, you could map a macro or some other key onto the 2u keys for games and such for quick access keys that you can mash in an instant. Another thing is that I'm trying to keep too many holes in the PCB from overlapping because as it stands, the PCB should be holtite compatable since it uses the same specs as the xd60 / EEPW PCBs. There are some places I know that there won't be complete coverage on the holtite sockets (RH arrow cluster area) because of overlapping switch placement, but it seems that a lot of people still have been able to run holtites with the overlapping holes. The crucial difference here is that the PCB will also be set up for alps switches and from looking at the left side of the numberpad, will have some pretty unusable solder points if its set up for all the layouts.

It is something that I am interested in though since it might be a little more natural for some people to have the 2u keys on the left so if I can somehow fit it in, I definetly will  :D

I'm not super familiar with Custom Keebs or Keebs in general (I jumped down the rabbit hole earlier this month with an Ergodox Infinity Kit); I know in that case the Alps capability is what kept it from being able to hold the holtites. (Much to my chagrin. I'm sure there are people worse at soldering than me, but there aren't very many).

I tried doing some mock spread sheeting with  my left hand on the Numpad and it seemed to be much more comfortable than I imagined. So, if it helps the keyboard be much more structurally sound, I rescind my previous suggestion. :)

Super excited to get 1 or 2 of these kits :D