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Title: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: noway on Sun, 26 September 2021, 14:35:43
Looking for a recent (0-5 years old) simple wireless mouse that uses AA batteries.  Will be only used for basic tasks, like internet, office use (no gaming).  Want to keep it simple since I only use left click, right click, scroll, forward, back.  Size not important.  Reliability is most important...I don't want any double-click problems in the near future.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: _rubik on Sun, 26 September 2021, 15:22:43
Just out of curiosity, why the AA battery constraint? Most modern mice have internal batteries that charge quickly and last for months. Better for the environment. Better for your wallet (in the long run).

To answer your question directly: I know both the Logitech G305 and Logitech M310 both use AA batteries.
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: F eq ma on Sun, 26 September 2021, 17:22:56
I have the logitech m510 full size mouse.   Love it.   Batteries last about a year with daily use.   $20
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: noway on Sun, 26 September 2021, 23:33:12
Just out of curiosity, why the AA battery constraint? Most modern mice have internal batteries that charge quickly and last for months. Better for the environment. Better for your wallet (in the long run).

To answer your question directly: I know both the Logitech G305 and Logitech M310 both use AA batteries.

Have a whole bunch of Eneloop batteries and chargers already and AA are very easy and free of charge (for me) to replace after they die.  I'll have a look at the G305.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 27 September 2021, 03:14:25
Go to Walmart (or any electronics place) and get one of the cheaper Logitech models.
I wouldn't trust any wireless, especially low end and AA batteries other than Logitech.

The last "good" high end wireless that used AA batteries is the G700 and Performance MX.
Not sure about the Performance, but the G700, when the switches die, it's a nightmare to replace them. The G700 will also burn through a 2200-2400mah Eneloop in about 16 hours when set to high dpi and polling, but it is onboard programmable. The Performance is really just an office mouse and the batteries I think lasted 2-3 weeks.

All that said..
Get a Logitech Anywhere or Master, yes, they use an internal battery, but it will last over a month on a single charge, and 5 minutes of charge will get you another hour. I get you want to use your batteries, but your kicking yourself in the head by doing so. I liked all of these mice, but I rock a G900 on desktop and Anywhere on laptop. The batteries are just a hassle, get one of these and a magnetic Netdot 10 charging cable to act as a dock and call it done. You will be much happier.
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 27 September 2021, 05:00:47
Logitech G305, arguably second greatest mouse ever.
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: jamster on Mon, 27 September 2021, 07:16:29
Logitech M221 (silent) does, so I assume a slew of rest of the cheapo Logitechs do as well. I have one in front of me.

I far prefer AA. I can use easily replaceable rechargeables instead of worry about having to replace with lithiums down the line.

(My usual mouse is an MX Anywhere 2S, which is great. Lithium-based, but that's something I am willing to live with for the rest of the mouse.)
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 27 September 2021, 11:36:28
Just out of curiosity, why the AA battery constraint?

Have a whole bunch of Eneloop batteries and chargers already and AA are very easy and free of charge (for me) to replace after they die.  I'll have a look at the G305.  Thanks.

Very valid reason. I have a few eneloops kicking around for Gameboys -- pretty solid as far as AAs go

I wouldn't trust any wireless, especially low end and AA batteries other than Logitech.

Can I ask what you mean by trust? You mean from a reliability standpoint or security(?) standpoint?

All that said..
Get a Logitech Anywhere or Master, yes, they use an internal battery, but it will last over a month on a single charge, and 5 minutes of charge will get you another hour. I get you want to use your batteries, but your kicking yourself in the head by doing so. I liked all of these mice, but I rock a G900 on desktop and Anywhere on laptop. The batteries are just a hassle, get one of these and a magnetic Netdot 10 charging cable to act as a dock and call it done. You will be much happier.

Couldn't agree more. I've been using the Logi Master and Ergo for a few years now and have never felt the need to replace them. I have Glorious Model O just for gaming which I hardly use anymore, and even that is bleh in comparison to the master (for productivity work)
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: jamster on Tue, 28 September 2021, 00:57:04
Slight tangent here- has anyone compared the older MX Anywhere/Master 2S with the Anywhere/Master 3?

The clutched scroll wheel of the 3 appears to be the selling point, but when I've tried demos, they either don't work, or when in the free-spin mode, they generate too much noise (like something is rubbing).

They feel a bit cheaper (to me), the wheel doesn't feel as good, so I am wondering- am I missing something here?

This thread has just made me realise that I should buy another Anywhere 2S as they are on sale now, and I want a backup to my main mouse. It's the best wireless mouse I've owned. Not perfect (BT sucks when connecting to my Thinkpad) but still the best overall.
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 28 September 2021, 04:08:08
Can I ask what you mean by trust? You mean from a reliability standpoint or security(?) standpoint?
Everyone else has connection problems, reliability problems, sleep problems etc..
Logitech spends a lot on testing and it shows when their cheapest wireless mice work better than mice costing 6, 7 or 8x as much.

There are exceptions though, Microsoft bluetooth is as good as Logitech bluetooth but I don't think either is as good as the logitech wireless dongle. They just have the tech dialed. My Anywhere 2 has a better connection with the dongle, less miss-clicks, less lag, less interference, etc... The dongle always works, bluetooth, not so much. And this is for any OS, Windows, Mac or Linux.

This thread has just made me realise that I should buy another Anywhere 2S as they are on sale now, and I want a backup to my main mouse. It's the best wireless mouse I've owned. Not perfect (BT sucks when connecting to my Thinkpad) but still the best overall.
That's a bluetooth problem in general, there's many protocols and many implementations.
Have to remember, bluetooth was intended to be low power and ease of use, lag and reliability took a back seat. It's been improved but it's a rather loose standard whereas Logitech wireless is proprietary and they control all of it so they can ensure it works as intended and doesn't need to be compatible for 200 other manufacturers.  Even HP and Apple have issues with bluetooth, High Sierra had major issues and they never did solve it.
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: jamster on Tue, 28 September 2021, 04:36:17
That's a bluetooth problem in general, there's many protocols and many implementations.
Have to remember, bluetooth was intended to be low power and ease of use, lag and reliability took a back seat. It's been improved but it's a rather loose standard whereas Logitech wireless is proprietary and they control all of it so they can ensure it works as intended and doesn't need to be compatible for 200 other manufacturers.  Even HP and Apple have issues with bluetooth, High Sierra had major issues and they never did solve it.

Oh, I am comfortable with being a Luddite about certain things. I generally distrust Bluetooth and avoid it whenever possible. The dongle is so small that it presents no inconvenience at all.
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 28 September 2021, 06:33:19
There are mice with AA batteries? I thought that the smaller, lighter AAA format would be more common.

Before built-in batteries became the stupid norm for new devices, I used to use rechargeable AA and AAA batteries for a lot of things. It was very handy to be able to just swap them out when they got depleted for other batteries in a standard form factor, which I could all charge with the same charger.

I prefer wired mice though, for the less weight.
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 28 September 2021, 11:50:26
Can I ask what you mean by trust? You mean from a reliability standpoint or security(?) standpoint?
Everyone else has connection problems, reliability problems, sleep problems etc..
Logitech spends a lot on testing and it shows when their cheapest wireless mice work better than mice costing 6, 7 or 8x as much.

There are exceptions though, Microsoft bluetooth is as good as Logitech bluetooth but I don't think either is as good as the logitech wireless dongle. They just have the tech dialed. My Anywhere 2 has a better connection with the dongle, less miss-clicks, less lag, less interference, etc... The dongle always works, bluetooth, not so much. And this is for any OS, Windows, Mac or Linux.

Make sense. Though I usually use bluetooth for my Master 2 and Ergo, and the only connectivity issues I've run into are my laptop's bluetooth drivers crashing. Maybe I've dodged a bullet, or maybe we could factor system reliability into the equation too (not just mouse reliability). A receiver cuts drivers out of the equation entirely.

Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: jamster on Tue, 28 September 2021, 12:08:15
There are mice with AA batteries? I thought that the smaller, lighter AAA format would be more common.

Before built-in batteries became the stupid norm for new devices, I used to use rechargeable AA and AAA batteries for a lot of things. It was very handy to be able to just swap them out when they got depleted for other batteries in a standard form factor, which I could all charge with the same charger.

I prefer wired mice though, for the less weight.

If weight is a concern, lithium AAs weigh markedly less than alkalines or NiMHs and would last much longer than either.

The weight presented by a single battery doesn't even register with me though. The only time I considered swapping in a lithium was when my kid was going travelling for months, and that was mainly so he wouldn't have to troubleshoot a flat battery)
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: PointyFox on Tue, 28 September 2021, 12:12:32
Logitech G304/G305 (same mouse). Batteries last months compared to about 4 days with the G703. Performance is about the same otherwise. I had a G305, went to the G703 as an "upgrade", then went back to the G305 because I got tired of having to charge it every 4 days.
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: jamster on Tue, 28 September 2021, 12:14:10
Logitech G304/G305 (same mouse). Batteries last months compared to about 4 days with the G703. Performance is about the same otherwise. I had a G305, went to the G703 as an "upgrade", then went back to the G305 because I got tired of having to charge it every 4 days.

Rechargeable Lipos, though?
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 23 October 2021, 22:59:35
https://www.amazon.com/8Bitdo-Wireless-Mouse-Windows-macOS/dp/B07ZH874DQ
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 24 October 2021, 05:26:37
Logitech G304/G305 (same mouse). Batteries last months compared to about 4 days with the G703. Performance is about the same otherwise. I had a G305, went to the G703 as an "upgrade", then went back to the G305 because I got tired of having to charge it every 4 days.
G700 series was a MASSIVE battery hog, but it was also the first of a new generation of high dpi/high polling, newer mice, are better but you also have to remember rechargeables do not typically retain a charge like alkaline batteries so you're not going to get the extreme long life between charge no matter what you do with current tech.



Rechargeable Lipos, though?

304/305 uses AA batteries, but read what I wrote above as it still pertains with regards to AA rechargeables.
Definitely not a bad choice.
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: yui on Wed, 27 October 2021, 02:24:57
i thought logitech switched away from 1.5V batteries... i used a TDK when i converted a wireless mice to use AA sized lithium-ion cell so i know those do exist and seem to work reasonably well. (i wanted to reuse those cells, it is why i converted instead of getting the lithium version, and it was more fun that way)
Title: Re: Modern mouse that uses AA batteries?
Post by: Sintpinty on Sun, 07 November 2021, 18:15:49
Looking for a recent (0-5 years old) simple wireless mouse that uses AA batteries.  Will be only used for basic tasks, like internet, office use (no gaming).  Want to keep it simple since I only use left click, right click, scroll, forward, back.  Size not important.  Reliability is most important...I don't want any double-click problems in the near future.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

G305