Hello all from Corsair!

[CorsairJames]

So, my personal opinion. I'm assuming that Corsair will stay in mostly gamer mode, so I'm not going to say anything wild like suggest that you make a 60% board.
A few observations from a more moderate standpoint.

I don't mind having non-mechanical keys on the f-rows/six nav keys if it'll shave $10 off the cost. Honestly the only protest would be on principle, which I find less important than savings and efficiency.
Also, the open aluminum casing is great. Very strong, easy to clean, and looks wonderful. No need to change that, but having both brushed and anodized black available for all switches seems to make sense.

The aesthetic is good; the branding is there and not obtrusive, and looks quality as it's actually metal rather than printed, but as I think some others have said having standard keycap sizes would be good. Lots of modders, and I've never seen a single modified Corsair board for that reason. In fact, if you offered different colored keycaps as an option, like white, I feel as if it would be very popular with us as well as the general public. I would definitely want to get a white-keycap Corsair board, because I already like the board itself and the font is readable but different enough that it's better looking than a 1990s keyboard.

As far as the build, I understand that there are two cables, which necessitates the cable being very thick, but making them even slightly thinner would be good. The cables on my K60, while never being able to be accused of tangling, are rather large (love the braiding, though). Another option or thing to put in conjunction is having channels, and given how there's already a raise at the top of the board, it would seem like it'd be good to take advantage of that feature.

Also, a TKL version of the K70 is pretty much a must. Most all of us have different tastes in switches than just Red, so having the most popular keyboard of yours in the more common layout would seem sensible. Even having the K65 with an option of different switches is fine.

Other than that, the little touches of quality in you guys' work is is just great. The metal name, aluminum design, volume drum (which none of my other boards have) and cable are just some of the touches that I've come to appreciate from all of you.

We originally assumed that people wouldn't mind the rubber dome keys to save a little on costs but it seems from that we were wrong judging by the success of the K70. I'm a fan of the aluminum too and I personally think (no bias involved) that we do have one of the best looking keyboards available. It certainly isn't everyone's cup of tea but it does add to the raised key design.

I can pass the feedback along by using a thinner cable but would you all prefer something like the K65 its removable? Maybe a removable braided cable like I read in another post? The TKL version of a K70 is a good idea too though I wonder if the price would justify it over the K70. Thats always the tricky part about customizing keyboards as balancing costs and design can be very difficult to do.

[Latin00032]

Hello James,

Similar to what others have posted....

I'm looking for more standard size keys. We do group buys that technically require certain keys on the keyboard to be sized and spaced a certain way with stems set in certain "standards". It would be great to have future keyboards that supported this.

I would love to buy an aluminum Corsair keyboard but the key spacing is not what I would call "standard" on many of the keys.

I'm guessing the "hardcore" key cap geek isn't on the Corsair radar as much as the "hardcore" gaming geek. But, I think if you hang around geekhack long enough you may be able to help Corsair gain some perspective on what the consumer wants.

Usually, the "hardcore" people in communities are the ones that create the new standards. Then these standards end up getting passed to everyone else as the "baseline".

BTW. I would love to buy an aluminum Corsar tenkeyless but it just needs "standard" spacing in the keys. Maybe you can pass the word along to the engineers.

[Linkbane]

We originally assumed that people wouldn't mind the rubber dome keys to save a little on costs but it seems from that we were wrong judging by the success of the K70. I'm a fan of the aluminum too and I personally think (no bias involved) that we do have one of the best looking keyboards available. It certainly isn't everyone's cup of tea but it does add to the raised key design.

I can pass the feedback along by using a thinner cable but would you all prefer something like the K65 its removable? Maybe a removable braided cable like I read in another post? The TKL version of a K70 is a good idea too though I wonder if the price would justify it over the K70. Thats always the tricky part about customizing keyboards as balancing costs and design can be very difficult to do.

I see, and I certainly have no complaint about all-mechanical, so I certainly wouldn't pick a bone over the K70 about that.
Haven't had a chance to use the K65, but removable is a nice touch. I think that someone suggested having a retracting cable, but that's probably a little too difficult to fit in the board. If you could make that happen without being finicky, it'd certainly be an innovation.

For the tenkeyless keyboard, I would just hope that it is cheaper than the K70 in the same manner that the K65 is cheaper than the K60, but if the cost is great, I could understand not doing. However, given that there is a good example in the K65, would it be a significant challenge/expenditure to be able to sell a few keyboards with different switches, even if only online to reduce costs? Just throwing out a few suggestion, wouldn't want to have large expenditure over something small, but I think that it would go a long way towards acceptance with Geekhackers, at least.

[shrapneL]

We originally assumed that people wouldn't mind the rubber dome keys to save a little on costs but it seems from that we were wrong judging by the success of the K70. I'm a fan of the aluminum too and I personally think (no bias involved) that we do have one of the best looking keyboards available. It certainly isn't everyone's cup of tea but it does add to the raised key design.

I can pass the feedback along by using a thinner cable but would you all prefer something like the K65 its removable? Maybe a removable braided cable like I read in another post? The TKL version of a K70 is a good idea too though I wonder if the price would justify it over the K70. Thats always the tricky part about customizing keyboards as balancing costs and design can be very difficult to do.

Personally, if the price of the TKL version was maybe $10-20 (hopefully a little more) less than the K70, I could justify buying it because I prefer the form factor over the larger version. The same goes with 60% boards for me. I will usually pay about the same price as a full size keyboard because I prefer a smaller foot-print.

[wetto]

Corsair could do something that'd make both gamers and many enthusiasts happy at the same, which is actually offering GOOD and unique backlit mechanical keyboards.

As for GOOD, it's not only adding lights to it, I mean good keycaps and not the same crap as Logitech uses on their G710+ and Cooler Master on their CM Quick Fire TK. Honestly, all these boards suck when it comes to keycap quality. I'd either suggest getting a new OEM or get the keycaps from a Third Party.

Second, people should not focus only on the overused Cherry MX Switches and the overpriced and difficult to use Topre switches. Matias is already selling their Quiet and Clicky switches to whoever wants them and they allow some things that both gamers and enthusiasts would enjoy:
- Better tactile feel than Cherry MX switches
- Quiet switches make much less noise than either Cherry or Topre.
- Both Quiet and Clicky switches are transparent, allowing backlight and best of all, RGB Backlight. I know people who'd kill for that.

What I mean is, instead of making half-assed backlit keyboards with few light effects, crappy keycaps and nothing new, Corsair should think about releasing some high-end mechanical keyboard with Matias switches and maybe RGB backlighting that would be able to compete against keyboards such as the Ducky Shine III, which has features that both gamers and enthusiasts enjoy.

[Linkbane]

Corsair could do something that'd make both gamers and many enthusiasts happy at the same, which is actually offering GOOD and unique backlit mechanical keyboards.

As for GOOD, it's not only adding lights to it, I mean good keycaps and not the same crap as Logitech uses on their G710+ and Cooler Master on their CM Quick Fire TK. Honestly, all these boards suck when it comes to keycap quality. I'd either suggest getting a new OEM or get the keycaps from a Third Party.

Second, people should not focus only on the overused Cherry MX Switches and the overpriced and difficult to use Topre switches. Matias is already selling their Quiet and Clicky switches to whoever wants them and they allow some things that both gamers and enthusiasts would enjoy:
- Better tactile feel than Cherry MX switches
- Quiet switches make much less noise than either Cherry or Topre.
- Both Quiet and Clicky switches are transparent, allowing backlight and best of all, RGB Backlight. I know people who'd kill for that.

What I mean is, instead of making half-assed backlit keyboards with few light effects, crappy keycaps and nothing new, Corsair should think about releasing some high-end mechanical keyboard with Matias switches and maybe RGB backlighting that would be able to compete against keyboards such as the Ducky Shine III, which has features that both gamers and enthusiasts enjoy.

Number of people who think that Matias is better than Cherry/Topre: 1
Collective sh*ts given: 0

OT: Most people on this forum don't care about tri-colored backlight (or backlight at all), and in fact I haven't seen them on any mechanical keyboards, probably because it needs software and everyone b*tches and moans about software instead of plug-in USB compatibility. Also, never had any complaints about Cherry caps. They're ABS but thicker than the CM, and they have rubberized caps and a textured spacebar, more than most can say. Wrong there.

Also, nobody really cares about Matias switches, because they are inferior to Cherry in that they are not customizable to anywhere near the same extent, they bottom out more easily due to the force being at the top.

Finally, I don't see why you call them half-assed boards. You obviously don't have anything productive to say other than bash on a company, promulgate the switch that you think is better than all others as well as just comparing it to the Shine. It's better built, and a different keyboard. Gamers, a much larger market than enthusiasts, are undoubtedly more used to Cherry switches, and it's definitely not broken. Finally, Matias doesn't use a linear switch, making it already useless for most gamers, who mostly use reds/blacks. So no, it would not be good for enthusiasts at all.

And if you so resolutely hate Corsair's products, just keep on getting off to your Matias boards and buy more. Nobody loses any sleep.

[lazylex]

Personally I would love a TKL keyboard with a separate mechanical tenkey unit that can be bought as a package. Easy enough for people to plug it into the back of the TKL keyboard w/ the USB cable...the snap-on route taken by the AZIO Levetron is less universal, and that board looks horrendous.

The keyboard should have a detachable USB cable with a more standard, common layout (6.25 spacebar versus the odd k70/g710+ sized bar).

The premium edition should come with PBT keycaps. You can market them to non-keyboard enthusiasts as more durable/non-fading, gaming caps.

[Linkbane]

The premium edition should come with PBT keycaps. You can market them to non-keyboard enthusiasts as more durable/non-fading, gaming caps.

The price might drive some people away, but it would be good to have this as an option. Again, thinking that the more premium products would be online order.
Also I don't think that PBT text fades any less quickly, unless you mean shine.

[lazylex]

The premium edition should come with PBT keycaps. You can market them to non-keyboard enthusiasts as more durable/non-fading, gaming caps.

The price might drive some people away, but it would be good to have this as an option. Again, thinking that the more premium products would be online order.
Also I don't think that PBT text fades any less quickly, unless you mean shine.

Shine as well. Sorry, just realized I wasn't clear -- I was referring to the finish fading. I saw a few K60 and K90s in the corsair forums where the finish of the key was getting rubbed off.

I'd love to have more options for good quality, non pad-printed PBTs -- if Corsair offered them separately and didn't use a heinous sci-fi legend, I could see many enthusiasts picking a set up.

[TheFlyingRaccoon]

Great to have you here James! I am glad Corsair has branched out to Geekhack, I'm sure both the community and Corsair will benefit from this. Personally I have used many Corsair computer components and I can attest to the quality of Corsair's PC hardware. I like the direction Corsair is going with their input devices and I can't wait to see even further improvement. I hope you enjoy your time on Geekhack!

[Linkbane]

Shine as well. Sorry, just realized I wasn't clear -- I was referring to the finish fading. I saw a few K60 and K90s in the corsair forums where the finish of the key was getting rubbed off.

I'd love to have more options for good quality, non pad-printed PBTs -- if Corsair offered them separately and didn't use a heinous sci-fi legend, I could see many enthusiasts picking a set up.

It would be nice for sure, I don't like the pad printing at all. My legends are quite faded, and I don't use my K60 very much given that I have an MX Blue now. But what's wrong with the font? 

[lazylex]

Shine as well. Sorry, just realized I wasn't clear -- I was referring to the finish fading. I saw a few K60 and K90s in the corsair forums where the finish of the key was getting rubbed off.

I'd love to have more options for good quality, non pad-printed PBTs -- if Corsair offered them separately and didn't use a heinous sci-fi legend, I could see many enthusiasts picking a set up.

It would be nice for sure, I don't like the pad printing at all. My legends are quite faded, and I don't use my K60 very much given that I have an MX Blue now. But what's wrong with the font? 

The K60 font is nice! I don't like the sci-fi fonts displayed on the BlackWidow, newest Keycool, or Deck boards.

[Linkbane]

I'd love to have more options for good quality, non pad-printed PBTs -- if Corsair offered them separately and didn't use a heinous sci-fi legend, I could see many enthusiasts picking a set up.

The K60 font is nice! I don't like the sci-fi fonts displayed on the BlackWidow, newest Keycool, or Deck boards.

Yeah, but grammatically that suggested that they already used a heinous font!
I agree, though. Hate the Deck keyboard, and haven't seen the newest Keycool, but the Blackwidow is pretty obnoxious. I remember when I wasn't a complete touch typist, the look of the 'r' key in particular bothered me.

[kimjongtrill]

Hi James,

I'm am seriously considering purchasing a K70 keyboard, but it is essential to me that I get Cherry MX Brown switches.  Is the keyboard with brown switches not available in black?

[CorsairJames]

The premium edition should come with PBT keycaps. You can market them to non-keyboard enthusiasts as more durable/non-fading, gaming caps.

The price might drive some people away, but it would be good to have this as an option. Again, thinking that the more premium products would be online order.
Also I don't think that PBT text fades any less quickly, unless you mean shine.

Shine as well. Sorry, just realized I wasn't clear -- I was referring to the finish fading. I saw a few K60 and K90s in the corsair forums where the finish of the key was getting rubbed off.

I'd love to have more options for good quality, non pad-printed PBTs -- if Corsair offered them separately and didn't use a heinous sci-fi legend, I could see many enthusiasts picking a set up.

The initial K60's on launch had a key fade issue but with all LED keyboards, we use laser etching. Interesting feedback on keycaps though. If we could get a layout that uses standard keys, the community could then buy the quality of keycaps they want rather than doing so with the costs included in the price of the keyboard. Is this what you all are suggesting?

@FlyingRaccoon: Thanks!

@Kimjontrill: The Cherry switch variations are only available in Gunmetal shells for now. We'd like to offer it in the red and black theme but switch allocation makes it difficult to even keep what we have in stock.

[bazemk1979]

Hi James welcome to the forums. I'm enjoying bunch of Corsair products but the keyboards is not one of them, there is a reason why and I'll get to it. Since I like full keyboards without the macros I will speak what is a deal breaker for me with the K70, what can be improved / would like to see in the new model , also what I would like to stay as it is:

******************************************* 1. The deal breaker part: ***************************************************

- Bottom layer modifiers layout : the current set up is a killer, this can be fixed by simply going the standard layout ( 1.25 1.25 1.25 x6 1.25 1.25 1.25 1.25) or the Cheat layout which I doubt that you guys will fall for it since something tells me that you guys need the extra key modifier on the right side that plays a role either as page key or FN key. Any ways this is the Cheat layout and will attach pic of it 1.5 1 1.5 x7 1.5 1 1.5 . Any of this layouts will work for your customers. This way Corsair wont have to worry every time they start getting calls about people complaining that their keycaps are worn out, we have our GB and even though the GB's are not for LED keys we have way too many good vendors that take care of us for the keycaps part. Here is the cheat layout



********************************************** 2. What can be improved: **************************************************

- Variety of Cherry MX switches available ( at least give us blues and browns along with the reds)

- Moddable switch plate. I think this is not a big deal for you guys if the switch plates are laser cut, will juts take mapping the laser cutting machine to cut the extra half moon like cutouts on every side of the square opening that's for the switch. This way we can open switches, swap springs, swap stems, lubed them if needed be etc etc etc.

- I like the black color of the K70, but your K90 non mechanical keyboard have a good mix of color on it which is plate and the rest bottom part in black while the top is some sort of titanium greyish color. Would like to see this combo for the future K70 model.

- Don't know if the K70 have foldable legs on the back of the keyboard, if it does not then please try and put some rubber on them Like WASD V2 did.

***********************************************3. What I would like to stay as it is:******************************************

- You guys went all the board mechanical, awesome move, unlike your first models.

- Love the thick braided cable that's attached to the keyboard + the 2nd USB plug that gives you the option to use the USB female on the board either for charging peripherals or just simply hooking up the Mic. This is a Aluminum sturdy keyboard, and attached thick braided cable it gives even more tough look to the board itself, don't change this, its great as it is because it don't scream its a Gamer board nor its a Ole old fashion board, it suits it just perfect.

- I like the volume knobs and buttons as long as you keep them aluminum, not sure if they are aluminum but if they are not try and make them.

- I honestly like the way the wrist rest looks, it matches the board perfect, keep the look the way it is. But if you have complaints from the customers that the wrist rest fabric gets worn out, tears out, cracks etc etc etc, then try to use a better quality fabric for it.

- The Corsair logo is not too big to be an eyesore from what I can tell, but if you end up painting it some different color that will stick out than what it originally is, that will be a bad move. Keep the way it is and make sure the color of the logo blends in with the case so it wont stick out.

- This is really not a must and most like will bring the price point to the board $50+, but if you guys want to set standards as Deck keyboards " This is the last keyboard you ever need" then look into their keycaps, the keycaps are Thick PBT Double Shots and they are made for the legends to shine when  the board is lit up. Deck has always set new standards with their boards and the keycaps that never fade legends wise, now they upped the standards even higher with keycaps that never fade + they are thick PBT DS which equals to long long time tile the keycap itself actually starts to show any signs of shine to it. FYI please stay away from having a hideous font on the legends like Deck did, A little hint on what legends should look like is if you look into the Cherry made boards, their legends are a pure pleasure to look at and most desirable ones. If you guys don't want to bring the price of the board as it comes stock in the box, but would not mind catering your customers separate available for purchase a full keycaps PBT Double shots that will never wear off legends wise + wont show shine at least after 2-3 years of extensive usage, then offer this type of sets as separate for purchase, people wont mind shelling another 70-80 bucks for keys that they will out live them and place them on aboard as gorgeous as the Corsair.



So I think I  summed up most of the stuff and I hope this is helpful in any way to you, I don't mind waiting on the new K70 model and restrain from buying the WASD V2 barebone, lets see how you guys fair next model, WASD V2 is gorgeous board, but I can never say no to aluminum board

FYI the Cheat layout pic I posted, Keycaps is one of the GB here and the maker is GMK, those legends are the most desirable I'm speaking of, Cherry boards legends

[Linkbane]

^^ that, but I don't mind the modifiers and I'm not a fan of Cherry font.

[bazemk1979]

^^ that, but I don't mind the modifiers and I'm not a fan of Cherry font.

and when the keys wear? you cant find modifiers, only Max keyboard have them + matching space bar. 1.25 x6 layout will give you tons of options when comes to keycaps.... even if you don't like Cherry legends you can always go with something else when you have proper modifiers and space bar options. Look at all responds, every body is complaining about the bottom modifier row + space bar layout.

[Linkbane]

^^ that, but I don't mind the modifiers and I'm not a fan of Cherry font.

and when the keys wear? you cant find modifiers, only Max keyboard have them + matching space bar. 1.25 x6 layout will give you tons of options when comes to keycaps.... even if you don't like Cherry legends you can always go with something else when you have proper modifiers and space bar options. Look at all responds, every body is complaining about the bottom modifier row + space bar layout.

My opinion isn't based on everyone else, as I don't ascribe to mob mentality. I simply state that I do not care if I can't swap them out, because they don't hinder my typing ability at all. That's probably why there's a minority (you and other posters) vs the majority (gamers and people who appreciate it as a keyboard and not an action figure to modify). As for wear, I already stated my grievances. Lasered or laser-infill keys (an example of the latter being the Quickfire TK) would solve that issue.

[CommonCurt]

If you started making the standard case layout (but maybe aluminium) like CMstorm QFR, Filco etc,  with good switch options, a plate that allows modding switches, and minimal branding you would have a winner that I and many others would buy.

[bazemk1979]

^^ that, but I don't mind the modifiers and I'm not a fan of Cherry font.

and when the keys wear? you cant find modifiers, only Max keyboard have them + matching space bar. 1.25 x6 layout will give you tons of options when comes to keycaps.... even if you don't like Cherry legends you can always go with something else when you have proper modifiers and space bar options. Look at all responds, every body is complaining about the bottom modifier row + space bar layout.

My opinion isn't based on everyone else, as I don't ascribe to mob mentality. I simply state that I do not care if I can't swap them out, because they don't hinder my typing ability at all. That's probably why there's a minority (you and other posters) vs the majority (gamers and people who appreciate it as a keyboard and not an action figure to modify). As for wear, I already stated my grievances. Lasered or laser-infill keys (an example of the latter being the Quickfire TK) would solve that issue.

oh so you say the majority have already spoken for the modifiers right? that makes it only you the majority then.... there is a reason James is posting here and most likely on other forums, getting opinions from more than 1 person that thinks he is the majority or that speaks for them.

Let James be the judge for the bottom layer layout, whats worst can happen, I wont buy the keyboard lol

[Linkbane]

What I stated is that the majority of people who buy the keyboard are not geekhackers, and don't fault them for their modifiers, which is the exact same as that on Cooler Master's, with the exception of having a right-click key rather than Fn. I'm just saying that it's not correct to assume that geekhackers are the primary market for these keyboards. It's not like we're known to change in our ways.

[bazemk1979]

What I stated is that the majority of people who buy the keyboard are not geekhackers, and don't fault them for their modifiers, which is the exact same as that on Cooler Master's, with the exception of having a right-click key rather than Fn. I'm just saying that it's not correct to assume that geekhackers are the primary market for these keyboards. It's not like we're known to change in our ways.

Then open keyboards section and look for how many people have asked for replacement keys for their Corsair boards, CM TK, Razer.... to no available whatsoever, no options to choose.... While the standard layout 1.25 x6 is everywhere.....

But I guess todays gamers rather be flashy and different and deal with keycaps coating wearing off, then going the normal standard layout. Heck I'm a gamer and I prefer the normal layout because of the available options, 80% of GHers here are gamers if not more.

But noooooo, you want to be leet, fine then be leet and keep typing on this junk  that's destined to happen in the first 4-6 months.... its ok, I know, ur leet....

[Linkbane]

But I guess todays gamers rather be flashy and different and deal with keycaps coating wearing off, then going the normal standard layout. Heck I'm a gamer and I prefer the normal layout because of the available options, 80% of GHers here are gamers if not more.

But noooooo, you want to be leet, fine then be leet and keep typing on this junk  that's destined to happen in the first 4-6 months.... its ok, I know, ur leet....

TK keycaps are laser infill, and I've typed very heavily on them daily for at least six months now, and there has been not a smidge of fading, due to the nature of the printing. I'm not leet or anything, if it doesn't get in the way of typing, it'- fine with me.

[CalmB4tehPwn]

Hey, James! Welcome to the forums. Always good to see a big company taking interest in our little community.

Lots and LOTS of great stuff has been brought to your attention. You're being bombarded with what we want big companies to hear. And what the vast majority of it boils down to, is us whining. Stop listening to stupid gamers that don't actually care how well their devices perform and would rather it be shiny black and green LED, and listen to those of us that actually -invest- in products.

It's a great sentiment, but I'm not going to tell you, or your company where to put their money, because the people willing to spend 150 dollars on a shiny, edgy, rubber dome hunk of crap with a screen to tell me who's talking on Ventrilo, far outweighs the amount of people that want to spend the same amount on something that will potentially last me the rest of my life. You've gotta invest on where the buyers are.

That being said, I'm just glad you're here, and hopefully together our community, and your company (as well as the others that have made a presence here) can help steer away from expensive crap, and focus on reasonably priced, well built equipment.

That being said, don't let these jokers convince you that we don't care about looks. We wouldn't be spending thousands of dollars on keycaps and aluminum cases if we didn't care how our stuff looked. We just think our aesthetic opinion is more important, or perhaps more reasonable, because we also care about what's going on inside, and because we're doing it ourselves, putting our own creative mind into the product, and not just waiting for Razer to tell the herd which direction the cliff is.

I hope you take constructive criticism well here. Just by joining, you've already taken a step to learning more about the science of keyboards than your design team, and chances are the lines of your particular job description will blur as you start trying to take our input to a board.

The problem is that... we're right. We already have all of these amazing designs. We've done all the work for you, and your design teams, and for the most part, we don't even want to fight you for royalties. We just want more people to have a more comfortable typing experience, and to spend less money on better items. They just don't care enough to listen.

[bazemk1979]

But I guess todays gamers rather be flashy and different and deal with keycaps coating wearing off, then going the normal standard layout. Heck I'm a gamer and I prefer the normal layout because of the available options, 80% of GHers here are gamers if not more.

But noooooo, you want to be leet, fine then be leet and keep typing on this junk  that's destined to happen in the first 4-6 months.... its ok, I know, ur leet....

TK keycaps are laser infill, and I've typed very heavily on them daily for at least six months now, and there has been not a smidge of fading, due to the nature of the printing. I'm not leet or anything, if it doesn't get in the way of typing, it'- fine with me.

Laser infill keys on the CM TK? What are you talking about men? No LED backlit board comes with keys that letters wont shine..... We have seen stock keycaps how well they fair coming stock on the boards, yes im talking of stock keys that are laser infill or pad print, the white legends starts to get grayish pretty soon, and when time comes for you to buy new caps to replace you can because of the bottom profile.... As I said CM TK does not have laser infill keys, if it did the led lightning wouldn't shine trough the legends...

Keycaps like that are rubber coated, CM TK with rubber coated keys, not laser infill..... If Corsair would have the quality of Deck PBT DS keycaps than the modifiers wont be an issue cause those caps are indestructible. But caps like that will bring K70 from $120 to $200 price tag. I don't mind as long as they don't use Deck legends font.

Pic below shows that CM TK has rubber coated keys, not laser infill.

[do_Og@n]

I'm glad to see a representative or Corsair on GeekHack. First off I would like to say welcome and I hope you enjoy yourself. We are all a weird bunch but we know what we like and aren't afraid to say it.

I love Corsair Computer Components and regard them as one of the top brands.

I haven't had the pleasure of using a Corsair HID but I have been interested (only problem is I have to many already).

Here is my list of suggestions (some have been covered):

1- Modding - We LOOOOVE modding and the easier you make it the better. Most here don't care if it voids a warranty.
2- Accessories - Keycap Pullers, WASD sets, colored cables, etc...
3- Layout - Standard ANSI layout is preferred. We all buy expensive double shot sets and want to use.

[gameaholic]

On the video posted recently on newegg about the 750D Georgo mentions a prototype K70 with white LEDs and anodized black.  Pics and TKL version with standard mods plz. 

[Linkbane]

Laser infill keys on the CM TK? What are you talking about men? No LED backlit board comes with keys that letters wont shine.

I said that they don't fade, because they do not. As you can see, the TK keycaps allow light through them in the letters, and if that isn't laser infill, my bad, I don't remember the name of the keys. But they certainly won't fade, because they're white. I never said that they won't shine, I said that they won't fade. The lettering is permanent. By the way, rubber coated? I have no idea where you got that idea, because I don't know any keycaps besides novelty and maybe the WASD cluster on the Corsair boards that are rubber coated.

TK keycaps are laser infill, and I've typed very heavily on them daily for at least six months now, and there has been not a smidge of fading,

Someone please show me that TK keycaps are rubber coated.

[inteli722]

Wow! Glad to see Corsair noticed our little community!

As for my wishes from Corsair:

• Keep the Volume Wheel. That's one feature that I want to see come back.
• Standard Modifiers would be nice, but even better would be the 1.5-1-1.5-7-1.5-1-1.5 modifier setup. I think it would be interesting to see a major brand bring that layout to market
• Extra switch colors would be nice
• Great build quality is a must, which you guys appear to have already
• Doubleshot backlit keys.

Sure, these features might up the price of your already rather expensive boards, but if you managed to get these features in, I (and others here) would throw money at you.

[bazemk1979]

Laser infill keys on the CM TK? What are you talking about men? No LED backlit board comes with keys that letters wont shine.

I said that they don't fade, because they do not. As you can see, the TK keycaps allow light through them in the letters, and if that isn't laser infill, my bad, I don't remember the name of the keys. But they certainly won't fade, because they're white. I never said that they won't shine, I said that they won't fade. The lettering is permanent. By the way, rubber coated? I have no idea where you got that idea, because I don't know any keycaps besides novelty and maybe the WASD cluster on the Corsair boards that are rubber coated.

TK keycaps are laser infill, and I've typed very heavily on them daily for at least six months now, and there has been not a smidge of fading,

Someone please show me that TK keycaps are rubber coated.

I would hate to do a research for you men.... There is no way you can have lightning shine trough the legends if the legends are laser infill. Once you put an infill nothing will shine trough it. Its ok your new here 200 post. The way all keyboard companies make their keys to be compatible with leds, they take ABS clear/whitish ABS keycap, then they rubber coat the top of the keycap, then they laser cut the legends and remove the black rubber that's in the middle of the legends to get the shine trough, once when you remove the cut out rubber it leaves the the clear/Whitish original color of the keycap and that way the LED's shine trough the legends. Now companies try to spray some sort of protective clear coating that will protect the rubber coating from breaking down from lot of usage and acid that your skin releases while typing, but that sort of protection coating can only protect from short time, once u enter usage of 6 months, the rubber coating breaks down and your keycaps will look like I posted on the pics.

there is only 2 companies that I know that have their keycaps made in double shot injected process, that's Deck and another keyboard board, they both range from $200-$350....

Do a research on rubber coated keycaps, CM,Corsair,Vortex,Razer,WASD Code have the keys made by the same process, rubber coating and then lasered legends, followed by protective coating that don't hold for very long time.

EDIT: Here I found pic for you..... They all are made the same way, see how the keycap originally is clear/whitish? the white CM TKL keycaps have same rubber coating.....

[wetto]

Laser infill keys on the CM TK? What are you talking about men? No LED backlit board comes with keys that letters wont shine.

I said that they don't fade, because they do not. As you can see, the TK keycaps allow light through them in the letters, and if that isn't laser infill, my bad, I don't remember the name of the keys. But they certainly won't fade, because they're white. I never said that they won't shine, I said that they won't fade. The lettering is permanent. By the way, rubber coated? I have no idea where you got that idea, because I don't know any keycaps besides novelty and maybe the WASD cluster on the Corsair boards that are rubber coated.

TK keycaps are laser infill, and I've typed very heavily on them daily for at least six months now, and there has been not a smidge of fading,

Someone please show me that TK keycaps are rubber coated.

I would hate to do a research for you men.... There is no way you can have lightning shine trough the legends if the legends are laser infill. Once you put an infill nothing will shine trough it. Its ok your new here 200 post. The way all keyboard companies make their keys to be compatible with leds, they take ABS clear/whitish ABS keycap, then they rubber coat the top of the keycap, then they laser cut the legends and remove the black rubber that's in the middle of the legends to get the shine trough, once when you remove the cut out rubber it leaves the the clear/Whitish original color of the keycap and that way the LED's shine trough the legends. Now companies try to spray some sort of protective clear coating that will protect the rubber coating from breaking down from lot of usage and acid that your skin releases while typing, but that sort of protection coating can only protect from short time, once u enter usage of 6 months, the rubber coating breaks down and your keycaps will look like I posted on the pics.

there is only 2 companies that I know that have their keycaps made in double shot injected process, that's Deck and another keyboard board, they both range from $200-$350....

Do a research on rubber coated keycaps, CM,Corsair,Vortex,Razer,WASD Code have the keys made by the same process, rubber coating and then lasered legends, followed by protective coating that don't hold for very long time.

EDIT: Here I found pic for you..... They all are made the same way, see how the keycap originally is clear/whitish? the white CM TKL keycaps have same rubber coating.....

I'll help you with the pictures, but it won't help making him admit anything anyway.

CM Quick Fire TK with Cherry MX Blues and Blue Backlight:



CM Quick Fire TK with Cherry MX Browns and White Backlight:



CM Quick Fire TK with Cherry MX Browns and White Backlight:



Corsair K70 Keycaps:



Logitech G710+ and Corsair K70 keycap:



Rear view of a Logitech G710+ and Corsair K70 keycap:



Rear code prooving that they are from the same vendor (and I got a confirmation from Carter later)



Keycaps from (in order from left to right): Logitech G710+, Thermaltake Meka G-Unit, Metadot Das Keyboard Model S Professional (Costar model), Corsair K70, CM Storm Trigger:



But anyways, I'll be considered a Corsair hater after posting this stuff anyway, even though I consider the keycaps for CM Quick Fire TK, Logitech G710+ and Corsair K70 all crap and have almost all of Corsair mice... 

And the other company that does double-shot into their keyboards, is iPRO's E²TIS keyboard, also sold in the "LETIS" bundle:



http://www.ebay.com/itm/LETIS-Mechanical-Gaming-Media-Keyboard-LED-Backlit-Jogshuttle-Joystick-cherry-MX-/171070029624?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item27d4917f38

[tipo33]

Wow, welcome.  I use Corsair power supplies, and RAM.  Also about to buy an 800d.

[bazemk1979]

Thanks for posting the pictures wetto, but something tells me that Linkbane is stubborn as a rock. Only Letis and Deck include life time lasting keycaps with their LED keyboards, that's why prices are around $200 instead $100 -$150, keycaps like that are expensive....

Letis bottom row is all messed up, but when you think about it you will never have to replace keycaps for that keyboard + legends are pretty descent its all right because LED boards are made for the legends to shine

Deck on another hand, speaking of the new models, have all proper modifiers, but legends are out of this world lol. But then again the keycaps will last forever and if you don't like them, the bottom row is the standard 1.25 x 6.25 and you can always join GB and throw some DS or PBT dyesub ones.

Linkbane I hope you understood at least 20% of what we are trying to explain you, its not only about being leet, but longevity,quality,versatility  play big role when you try to sell keyboard that goes $120-$150 price range.

I would be more than happy to pay $200 for Corsair K70 with 1.25 x6 layout + never fading keycap quality + moddable switch plate + more than just Red MX switch coming from the factory, instead of $120 for the current K70.

@ Corsair James:

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just expressing my own opinion. For example when my Logitech Z2300 2.1 speakers die out one day I know that I wont buy the new model from Logitech that replaces the current speakers I have. Reason is because they cheapened out on things to keep the cost down. Crappy subwoofer, no remote separate, speakers are not as durable as the current ones I have. Price of the new model is around $130, pretty descent price right? wrong.....

I rather spend $230 for the Corsair 2.1 ( forgot the model) that cost $230 and enjoy longevity, durability, and all over quality.

You save more by buying once and paying more for quality, then keep on buying 2nd hand made in China products, offcourse not all products from China are bad, I've had extremely good quality products made in China, but they were anything but cheap.....

[CorsairJames]

Thanks for posting the pictures wetto, but something tells me that Linkbane is stubborn as a rock. Only Letis and Deck include life time lasting keycaps with their LED keyboards, that's why prices are around $200 instead $100 -$150, keycaps like that are expensive....

Letis bottom row is all messed up, but when you think about it you will never have to replace keycaps for that keyboard + legends are pretty descent its all right because LED boards are made for the legends to shine

Deck on another hand, speaking of the new models, have all proper modifiers, but legends are out of this world lol. But then again the keycaps will last forever and if you don't like them, the bottom row is the standard 1.25 x 6.25 and you can always join GB and throw some DS or PBT dyesub ones.

Linkbane I hope you understood at least 20% of what we are trying to explain you, its not only about being leet, but longevity,quality,versatility  play big role when you try to sell keyboard that goes $120-$150 price range.

I would be more than happy to pay $200 for Corsair K70 with 1.25 x6 layout + never fading keycap quality + moddable switch plate + more than just Red MX switch coming from the factory, instead of $120 for the current K70.

@ Corsair James:

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just expressing my own opinion. For example when my Logitech Z2300 2.1 speakers die out one day I know that I wont buy the new model from Logitech that replaces the current speakers I have. Reason is because they cheapened out on things to keep the cost down. Crappy subwoofer, no remote separate, speakers are not as durable as the current ones I have. Price of the new model is around $130, pretty descent price right? wrong.....

I rather spend $230 for the Corsair 2.1 ( forgot the model) that cost $230 and enjoy longevity, durability, and all over quality.

You save more by buying once and paying more for quality, then keep on buying 2nd hand made in China products, offcourse not all products from China are bad, I've had extremely good quality products made in China, but they were anything but cheap.....

No offense taken. I too am in the boat where I rather pay a high price for something once, then go through multiple lower priced items which never works out the same. The unfortunate thing when it comes to design though is that you and I, and probably most people in the GH community are a very small minority of the overall market. I'm here of course to get the opinions of people like you, Linkbane, Wetto, etc. so we can do what we can to improve the product. There are times though where even if we want to make the change, there are reasons other than cost to prevent us doing so.

Its easier when you're a small company to make really nice products with the feature set you want. It actually gets more difficult the bigger you are though because the variables increase when the market increases. Its akin to Rolls Royce - they serve only the 1% population and can make the cars they want to make. If they wanted to entertain a bigger piece of the market though, then the complications will show with allocation of inventory, production shortages, working with tighter budgets, increased overheard, etc.

That being said though, I encourage discussion of ideas and feedback. I'm not a cheerleader nor should I be. I'm here to hear everything - the good about our products, especially the bad (so I can pass it back), and everything in between. In return, I will do what I can to improve our products to meet expectations and I will always share with you all what I can reveal so we can continue the dialogue.

I should start a new thread for this too since this is no longer a "hello" topic.

[bazemk1979]

Glad you didn't took it the wrong way James  Corsair is a company that's broader and tries to serve the majority by having a good entry keyboard more/less price wise vs the competition, but you guys are already a head of the game because ur boards are hybrid aluminum between naked plate and fully covered board when you look at the rear of the board where the cable is located.

There is no doubt you guys stick out from the rest in a good way and price is competitive. I know you guys can bring in those great quality caps, but then the price of ur boards will jump 70% higher and that will take you out the game.

But stick around James, possibly open new thread and see what people think, not many people check the new member forums

I still think that these few things wont skyrocket the price of ur boards:

1. variety of switches (blues,browns,reds,greens clears) at least try to have reds-browns-blues in steady numbers wont cost you extra, switches are same price when you buy from Cherry in big numbers
2. Moddabble switch openings ( whoever cuts ur plates they must be done via laser, this only takes opening 4 small half moons on every corner) if this cost you extra should be minimal.
3. 1.25 x6 bottom layout, wont cost you extra 80% of the keyboard manufacturers use it, its broadband.
4. Life long shine trough legend keycaps, this is something  you guys can offer as an upgrade to be bought separate. I know when a person who has no understanding of keyboards buys ur board, loves it and enjoys it, 4-5 months down the road keys wear off, he calls ur CS and no spare keys available, then he scratches his head and thinking wow I have to buy a new board just to have keycaps... But if you guys offer these keys as separate to be purchased, I think ur customers wont mind shelling $70-$80 on keycaps that will last forever and they don't have to ditch  or put aside their Corsair board. Of course this sort of business decision  is up to the financial/development dept and the big fish in the company, your dear CEO's lol

[ynrozturk]

Welcome to Geekhack.

One suggestion I would try to make would be to get into other markets. For example, I live in Istanbul, and for a time I really wanted a K70, but they're simply not sold here. I sent an e-mail to Corsair and I believe they just said that they don't plan on selling them here. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, seeing as we have Corsair distributors bringing in RAM, cases, power supplies, SSD's, etc. A lot of people use Corsair products here, so leaving the keyboard market to Razer and Logitech just seems kind of silly to me.

I have since gone with another board, but I would still like to give the K70 a try because I really like the design. If it was available and had MX Browns, I would have bought it in a heart beat.

[tipo33]

Corsair really seems to be gathering a lot of info from forums.  Corsair George just made an account on another forum I surf - silentpcreview.com
Good on you guys for actually trying to listen to specific communities,  mechanical keyboards, silent computing, etc....

[CorsairJames]

Welcome to Geekhack.

One suggestion I would try to make would be to get into other markets. For example, I live in Istanbul, and for a time I really wanted a K70, but they're simply not sold here. I sent an e-mail to Corsair and I believe they just said that they don't plan on selling them here. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, seeing as we have Corsair distributors bringing in RAM, cases, power supplies, SSD's, etc. A lot of people use Corsair products here, so leaving the keyboard market to Razer and Logitech just seems kind of silly to me.

I have since gone with another board, but I would still like to give the K70 a try because I really like the design. If it was available and had MX Browns, I would have bought it in a heart beat.

If you have a hard time finding it in your region, its most likely due to either low inventory or your distributor isn't carrying much (if at all). Corsair only sells direct via the webstore. Otherwise, products are sold to the main distributor who will then allocate it to the shops in your area.

[ynrozturk]

That's the thing, the distributors here don't have them at all, and when I asked them if they could import one for me, the reply was a simple no. I couldn't see the option for shipping to Turkey in your webstore, and even if I did shipping would be around $50 or more, along with the $150 for the keyboard itself, and about another $70 for customs fees. That's $270, a tad too much. What I was trying to say is that you should maybe try to get your distributors here to push the product, since there is demand for it. Then again, I'm unaware of your business model, but it's just a suggestion, since the only options people have over here are those horrid rubber dome Logitech boards and Razer Blackwidows.

Cheers.

[Linkbane]

Thanks for posting the pictures wetto, but something tells me that Linkbane is stubborn as a rock. Only Letis and Deck include life time lasting keycaps with their LED keyboards, that's why prices are around $200 instead $100 -$150, keycaps like that are expensive....

Linkbane I hope you understood at least 20% of what we are trying to explain you, its not only about being leet, but longevity,quality,versatility  play big role when you try to sell keyboard that goes $120-$150 price range.

Somebody comes to your defense, you two are then trying to explain something to me. I admit that I'm incorrect, I always thought that it was laser infill. Apparently it's another method in which paint is lasered off, creating the blank area.

But noooooo, you want to be leet, fine then be leet and keep typing on this junk  that's destined to happen in the first 4-6 months.... its ok, I know, ur leet....

Nice job changing your argument. Someone defending you doesn't make you any less wrong. It has nothing to do with leet, because that's all that you said it was. I actually care about my keyboards for their economy and build quality, which the TK has. The keys haven't shined in six months of very heavy use, and I'm not going to complain about something that hasn't happen. But of course, to you I'm wrong because you know the keyboard much better than me, and of course you have lots of experience with it.

No. You're wrong about everything you said about me, I'm wrong about how the keycaps are printed. That's about this whole thread in a nutshell.

[bazemk1979]

 Someone came in my defense? I know my **** cause I have been around and have the experience, you on the other hand..... a rock!

 Didn't changed any argument at all, the so call majority of gamers AKA leet is who you speak of, you including you'r majority loves the bottom row so much that they don't care if it get thorn apart and there is no way of getting spacebar replacement and the rest of the modifiers. Now that is what I call leet, well not really leet its more like.... lets just call you a rock.

 Your damn keys I don't care what factory are if they are not Letis or Deck YOU ARE SCREWED.

 Congrats Linkbane you just got promoted, you went from stubborn like a rock to a dumb as a rock.

[yuktsi]

hello, I wonder if anyone here actually owns a corsair kb. 

[CorsairJames]

hello, I wonder if anyone here actually owns a corsair kb. 

Of course! I own one! Just kidding. I'm sure there are a few enthusiasts who have a Corsair keyboard. They may not be mod-friendly but I truly believe they are very good mass produced keyboards.

[CatNip :3]

I've played with one of your keyboards and let me tell you, they are rock solid! Definitely will be recommending your keyboards to mates.

[CatNip :3]

A question.
There's already many OEM resellers of Cherry mech keyboards. IMO the market already seems quite saturated and that you're all competing for a share of a finite sized pie.
Why not try to partner up with T0pre and release a more unique product that will separate you from the rest of the pack?

+1 for Topre!

[joneslee85]

Welcome to GH. I havent had a chance to try any Corsair kb however I am quite hooked with the low profile metal case with high profile keycap. I would love to see a Mac layout or Mac modifier keyset

[ynrozturk]

I must say, I'm very impressed with Corsair's customer service. I've been using their RAM forever, but when the K series keyboards came out, I really wanted one, but Corsair does not sell that line here.. no keyboards or mice. So I e-mailed them through their website, and to my amazement one of the Turkish Corsair representatives got back to me within a few weeks, telling me that they may start selling them in 2014.

Cheers for that. And also thanks for coming to these forums for interacting with the true keyboard enthusiasts.