Love the layout! Couple questions: is there a split spacebar option for this PCB, and do the three holes in top have LED's that can be utilized?From my understanding:
Please note that any order changes to the XENO will require a full cancellation of the kit in order to properly keep track of inventory. Any applicable early bird discounts will be forfeited.
Please note that any order changes to the XENO will require a full cancellation of the kit in order to properly keep track of inventory. Any applicable early bird discounts will be forfeited.
What if I am waiting on my sample of zealios v2 to come? I'd liketo try them out before I go ham and order them w/o trying but I'd also like to get Early bird discount.
No way to get a extra plate in the other style?
Any way to get extra PCB? Cus PCBs die.
No way to get a extra plate in the other style?Any way to get extra PCB? Cus PCBs die.
Since the box is custom designed to fit one XENO each, there's no other room to fit other accessories in order to keep the volumetric / actual weight down for shipping.
Like the Zephyr, the XENO will be screwed together in the box, with the PCB on the top layer.
For time being, extras won't be offered.
It's here! :)
Can I ask how tall the front is?
Can I ask the material of PCB? FR4?
Also, what is the typing angle? I don't see it mentioned anywhere.
Would it be possible to see some better pictures of the prototype? Perhaps something showing off the side profile or weight. Not sure if this is doable before the early bird deadline closes, but if so that would be great!
Also, what is the typing angle? I don't see it mentioned anywhere.
Extra parts are now available:
PCB (https://zealpc.net/products/xeno-pcb)
Plate (https://zealpc.net/products/xeno-plate)
If you have already ordered, contact Zeal or reply to your order to have parts added.
Extra parts are now available:
PCB (https://zealpc.net/products/xeno-pcb)
Plate (https://zealpc.net/products/xeno-plate)
If you have already ordered, contact Zeal or reply to your order to have parts added.
Why is there no image of the PCB on Zeal's site? Because Wilba is a fussy bastard and the renders he makes are too meh for his taste.
Extra parts are now available:
PCB (https://zealpc.net/products/xeno-pcb)
Plate (https://zealpc.net/products/xeno-plate)
If you have already ordered, contact Zeal or reply to your order to have parts added.
oof, shame about the branding on the weight
oof, shame about the branding on the weight
oof, shame about the branding on the weight
Xeno's original idea of branding, e.g. predator inspired logo will not be on the weight??
Is the purple for the case aiming to match the purple of zealios? It looks quite dark and blue.
Anyway, I'm in for purple/silver :D
Have to voice out my long hidden question / wish:
Does the current PCB design (which already looks great) support any type of hot sockets for make it hot swappable?
I haven't invested in one of those multi-hundred dollar desoldering setup and every time I desolder something I burned, tore, and damaged the pad and the circuit.
Is the Xeno pad a possibility now? I'd love to have both!Oh god how could I forget about the pad!? I agree with GrizzlyAL 100%
Curious what the Purple with a Rose Gold plate would look like. I'm a sucker for gold/rose gold but not sure if the two will mesh together ^-^
Any way to get extra PCB? Cus PCBs die.
Curious what the Purple with a Rose Gold plate would look like. I'm a sucker for gold/rose gold but not sure if the two will mesh together ^-^
I would also love to see this!
What color do I get... :confused:
And lol Zeal, I totally forgot about that quote. Ancient Chinese wisdom.
Silver/rose gold, of course!
We are working on getting the other offered colours made. Once completed, we'll take new pictures. Pwner is also working on more renders as well.which colors are you referring to?
I went with the same combo. Black on black on black. Gonna throw gmk terminal on there and call it a day :)Silver/rose gold, of course!
I was never classy like you, Photo. Think I'm on a black on black on black kick this time around. Curious to see black case with black pvd. Stealthy and sleek? :thinking:
I really wanted to see silver on black pvd or silver on rose gold pvd or black on rose gold pvd prototypes. Also, from the renders, black seems to be like a very dark gray? Is it going to that way or will it be black as in real black?
I went with the same combo. Black on black on black. Gonna throw gmk terminal on there and call it a day :)Silver/rose gold, of course!
I was never classy like you, Photo. Think I'm on a black on black on black kick this time around. Curious to see black case with black pvd. Stealthy and sleek? :thinking:
Black on black on black here as well, but I shall not reveal the set for it jus yetTaking a guess and thinking GMK Taro.
How durable is PVD coating / finish?
Or what is it actually?
How durable is PVD coating / finish?
Or what is it actually?
Like any polished surface, I wouldn't recommend "buffing" it with any regular rag. Try to use clean microfiber cloths to avoid micro scratches.
How durable is PVD coating / finish?
Or what is it actually?
Like any polished surface, I wouldn't recommend "buffing" it with any regular rag. Try to use clean microfiber cloths to avoid micro scratches.
When I read into it, there are many kinds of PVD coating, and some are "virtually not possible to scratch it"
https://www.chronext.com/journal/mechanics/a-timely-question-%E2%80%93-the-difference-between-a-pvd-dlc-coating (https://www.chronext.com/journal/mechanics/a-timely-question-%E2%80%93-the-difference-between-a-pvd-dlc-coating)
What kind of PVD is that? Is that DLC?
We are working on getting the other offered colours made. Once completed, we'll take new pictures. Pwner is also working on more renders as well.
Hoping for a couple of pictures of the silver case before the GB closes. I see the one in the initial OP but i cant tell if the silver is polished or brushed.The silver case? Or the silver plate/weight? The case is anodized. The plate weight is PVD so it should be polished.
Anybody have more pics of the purple (Zephyr maybe?)? Anthony has me nervous about my choice now. I’m good with dark purple, but from his video and his thoughts, it sounds/looks like purple is pretty much blue.
Anybody have more pics of the purple (Zephyr maybe?)? Anthony has me nervous about my choice now. I’m good with dark purple, but from his video and his thoughts, it sounds/looks like purple is pretty much blue.
My purple zephyr, is very blue. It has a tinge of purple in it but is very blue.
My purple zephyr is very blue. It has a tinge of purple in it but is very blue.
Oh I totally agree. I absolutely love the color. The thing is gorgeous. Didn't mean to sound negative
My purple zephyr is very blue. It has a tinge of purple in it but is very blue.
That zephyr purple / blue is sexy af though, would have no complaints if that’s what it looks like!
Zeal, Any chance we'll see another sale at the $420 mark before the GB ends? I'm really bummed I missed the GB at that price, and will purchase immediately if I see it back down to there.
Zeal, Any chance we'll see another sale at the $420 mark before the GB ends? I'm really bummed I missed the GB at that price, and will purchase immediately if I see it back down to there.
I am not zeal so take this with a grain of salt. The early bird price wouldn't make since to repeat it. I mean honestly it wouldn't make since to offer any discounts at this point. He did offer a discount he be screwing everyone that bought in at the higher price. That means going back and refunding those people. The board is something you really like then the 40-60 dollar difference shouldn't stop ya. That is to big a barrier for you to surmount then the board's not for you.
Anybody have more pics of the purple (Zephyr maybe?)? Anthony has me nervous about my choice now. I’m good with dark purple, but from his video and his thoughts, it sounds/looks like purple is pretty much blue.
We are working on getting the other offered colours made. Once completed, we'll take new pictures. Pwner is also working on more renders as well.
Hi! Are there any updates on additional renders? Thank you!
Hoping for a couple of pictures of the silver case before the GB closes. I see the one in the initial OP but i cant tell if the silver is polished or brushed.
Zeal, Any chance we'll see another sale at the $420 mark before the GB ends? I'm really bummed I missed the GB at that price, and will purchase immediately if I see it back down to there.
I am not zeal so take this with a grain of salt. The early bird price wouldn't make since to repeat it. I mean honestly it wouldn't make since to offer any discounts at this point. He did offer a discount he be screwing everyone that bought in at the higher price. That means going back and refunding those people. The board is something you really like then the 40-60 dollar difference shouldn't stop ya. That is to big a barrier for you to surmount then the board's not for you.
Pretty much this, would be unfair to the people that did jump in early.Anybody have more pics of the purple (Zephyr maybe?)? Anthony has me nervous about my choice now. I’m good with dark purple, but from his video and his thoughts, it sounds/looks like purple is pretty much blue.
I had a short chat with zeal during the stream and I believe these issues are being sorted out. I will let Zeal comment further.We are working on getting the other offered colours made. Once completed, we'll take new pictures. Pwner is also working on more renders as well.
Hi! Are there any updates on additional renders? Thank you!
I did do new renders but was not happy with them and to avoid any further color discrepancy we'll wait for the new samples which should be ready any time now.Hoping for a couple of pictures of the silver case before the GB closes. I see the one in the initial OP but i cant tell if the silver is polished or brushed.
The pvd will be polished.
Surprised the Zeal PCB mounting legs are loose, v1 were insanely tight in Cherry-spec PCBs. I heard Zeal tried to fix that for v2, maybe they over-compensated?
Ideally they're not loose in the PCB at all, so alignment with a partial/plateless build shouldn't be that problematic.
I don't believe Zeal over-compensated here — I don't want any misinformation to be spread. Wilba, who designed this PCB, designs PCBs for Zeal as well, and has in the past used a very slightly larger than Cherry-spec switch mounting holes in order to accommodate non-Cherry switches with legs that were slightly oversized. In my builds, it wasn't problematic (I've built two half-plate PCBs out at this point), but future PCBs will be made with standard Cherry-spec mounting holes.
Some of my PCBs in the past have used 1.8mm to accommodate slightly larger than spec PCB mount pins - if you've ever tried putting Gaterons or V1 Zealios into a PCB with 1.7mm holes, you'll know what I'm talking about. I know you probably think that was making Zeal60 preferentially catering to Zealios and you're right. Since Gateron was the biggest offender, and now they have fixed the bottom housings, I've reverted back to 1.7mm for Zeal60 rev 4 and future PCBs like WT75-A for Xeno 75.
Waiting for images of the proto in different colors.
Some of my PCBs in the past have used 1.8mm to accommodate slightly larger than spec PCB mount pins - if you've ever tried putting Gaterons or V1 Zealios into a PCB with 1.7mm holes, you'll know what I'm talking about. I know you probably think that was making Zeal60 preferentially catering to Zealios and you're right. Since Gateron was the biggest offender, and now they have fixed the bottom housings, I've reverted back to 1.7mm for Zeal60 rev 4 and future PCBs like WT75-A for Xeno 75.
Any update on the shade of the purple?
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Any update on the shade of the purple?
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Will be getting samples in before CNY happens. So in a week or so.
a long shot but, can I just buy the pcb? you know, just add the pcb add-on to the cart and check out.
Yes, it will be run through the same manu.
Have to voice out my long hidden question / wish:
Does the current PCB design (which already looks great) support any type of hot sockets for make it hot swappable?
I haven't invested in one of those multi-hundred dollar desoldering setup and every time I desolder something I burned, tore, and damaged the pad and the circuit.
Zeal or Pwner, have you guys had a chance to see if the hot swap sockets or Holyoke’s fit with the keeb?
I have led/switch holtites and mill max sockets on the way from another user that I will be using to test that. :thumb:
no RGB LED support like Xeno?
Excited to see this sample. Hopefully some RGB PCB action too like the zeal60/zephyr.
no RGB LED support like Xeno?Excited to see this sample. Hopefully some RGB PCB action too like the zeal60/zephyr.
No.
no RGB LED support like Xeno?Excited to see this sample. Hopefully some RGB PCB action too like the zeal60/zephyr.
No.
Still on the fence, any news on the new prototypes? Dying to see the other colors.
I'm curious about the silver colored case - in the renders on the product page, the initial one for the half plate looks like a light silver, whereas in the jamon renders, it appears to be darker and a bit more towards the light grey spectrum. Which is more accurate?
In case anyone missed it, terminal, 9009, Olivia and hyperfuse origins renders were added to the group buy page. Shout-out to janglad for those. A couple renders of Oblivion were also added courtesy of oblotzky and jamon from zambumon as well.Oof that terminal render. So stoked!
New sample cases have been finished but there is a delay in the pvd for the weights and plates. I will let zeal comment on the status of those when he gets a chance.
having received my zephyr a few weeks back, can we expect the same quality in terms of anodization and polish with the xeno?
Yes, it will be run through the same manu.
having received my zephyr a few weeks back, can we expect the same quality in terms of anodization and polish with the xeno?Yes, it will be run through the same manu.
and that includes same quality aluminum?
The purple and pvd finishes didn't make it before CNY :(. I'll post images as soon as I get them on hand.
The purple and pvd finishes didn't make it before CNY :(. I'll post images as soon as I get them on hand.
Thanks for the answer. How will that affect us changing our orders, if the need should arise? I really would like an deep “eggplant” purple board or even a medium purple board, but I really do not want a blue board.
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The purple and pvd finishes didn't make it before CNY :(. I'll post images as soon as I get them on hand.
Thanks for the answer. How will that affect us changing our orders, if the need should arise? I really would like an deep “eggplant” purple board or even a medium purple board, but I really do not want a blue board.
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I will reject the boards if they come out blueish. The purple zephyrs are already being redone.
Are there any more real life pics of that purple board available, showing left/back/under sides with the weight installed?Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/products/Purple_Xeno_Silver_PVD_7cd647b2-2861-40c3-bc70-0956ea00f781.jpg)
How many of you have bought an extra pcb for this? Is it worth it for peace of mind?
Would love to see a chart showing what combinations people are choosing :D
Torn between black on black or black w/ rose gold. I'm wondering if rose gold as a half plate will stick out too much since it will contrast with the black pcb showing through on the alphas.....or maybe that's good thing?? these are the tough life questions we all face
I would love to see a poylcarb half plate for this at some point to show off that sweet pcb
BoBoB but still no black/purple set to pair it with yetI think taro would look really nice on it :)
Same here, still do not know what color combo to get. I am considering a black case and rose gold plate but the black plate would look good on oblivion and modern dolch.Yeah that’s what I’m thinking. Modern dolch will look great.
Linear or tactile switches on half plates?
Linear or tactile switches on half plates?
I went for Black + rose gold, and a spare black plate, in case I changed my mind. Shame shipping to Australia costs almost $80.
I went for black on black + a spare silver plate and PCB, now I have to learn how to solder.is anyone planning on 7u for xeno or is 6.25u the way? i usually default to 7u but 6.25 seems to look more balanced
Late night keyboard shopping across the pond caused a fraud alert on my credit card. :D
7u alwaysI went for black on black + a spare silver plate and PCB, now I have to learn how to solder.is anyone planning on 7u for xeno or is 6.25u the way? i usually default to 7u but 6.25 seems to look more balanced
Late night keyboard shopping across the pond caused a fraud alert on my credit card. :D
I like that commitment :)7u alwaysI went for black on black + a spare silver plate and PCB, now I have to learn how to solder.is anyone planning on 7u for xeno or is 6.25u the way? i usually default to 7u but 6.25 seems to look more balanced
Late night keyboard shopping across the pond caused a fraud alert on my credit card. :D
I went for black on black + a spare silver plate and PCB, now I have to learn how to solder.is anyone planning on 7u for xeno or is 6.25u the way? i usually default to 7u but 6.25 seems to look more balanced
Late night keyboard shopping across the pond caused a fraud alert on my credit card. :D
Alright I'm in for 7u. black on black half plate:)
I also bought black on black. Will the pcb and plates be offerred even after the GB period?
Damn, can't believe I just missed this.
Purp on rose gold half plate. Then literally right before it ended... got another pcb and rose gold full plate.... cc on fire.
Damn, can't believe I just missed this.
lol you had 2+ months.
It seems that Zeal is famous for its USB cable. Just wondering if we will be able to getting one in our kit? :)
Wonder how many of these sold.
Black 38.8888888889%
Silver 33.3333333333%
Purple 27.7777777778%
Are Wilba, Pwner and Zeal all Asians?
They are all baked potatoes.
Wonder how many of these sold.Code: [Select]Black 38.8888888889%
Silver 33.3333333333%
Purple 27.7777777778%
Wonder how many of these sold.Code: [Select]Black 38.8888888889%
Silver 33.3333333333%
Purple 27.7777777778%
How did you sell partial keyboards... Haha.
Thanks for the break down. Always nice to see how it breaks out. Seems the safer colors always win out.
Seeing those percentages, I am assuming you guys sold 18 or 36?
Crap. I want one of these to build my first custom keyboard.
Any way to get one now or they are gone forever?
Any purple updates?Crap. I want one of these to build my first custom keyboard.
Any way to get one now or they are gone forever?
There should be a few extras after the gb has shipped. No guarantees of course.
Just curious if the PCB will fit Mill-Max sockets? (Mill-max 0305-2-15-80-47-80-10-0)Curious about it as well! Is it possible that we get a spec for the holes on the PCB?
Just curious if the PCB will fit Mill-Max sockets? (Mill-max 0305-2-15-80-47-80-10-0)Curious about it as well! Is it possible that we get a spec for the holes on the PCB?
Just curious if the PCB will fit Mill-Max sockets? (Mill-max 0305-2-15-80-47-80-10-0)Curious about it as well! Is it possible that we get a spec for the holes on the PCB?
It's the same size hole as any other PCB I've made, and probably any other PCB anyone has ever made, i.e. standard Cherry spec. I know other PCBs I've made work with holtites and mill-max sockets.
Now that we are in April, what's the timeline looking like for manufacturing completion and shipping?
Now that we are in April, what's the timeline looking like for manufacturing completion and shipping?
Up for this! Just having the thought of me receiving the board in May makes my whole body vibrate. LMAO
So, no updates on purple? Yes, I’m going to continue to ask
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ne purple avail?
https://i.imgur.com/cYy0S3C.jpg
ne purple avail?
https://i.imgur.com/cYy0S3C.jpg
So, no updates on purple? Yes, I’m going to continue to ask
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ne purple avail?
https://i.imgur.com/cYy0S3C.jpg
Looking great . That’s even the combo I ordered. Thanks!
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So, no updates on purple? Yes, I’m going to continue to ask
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ne purple avail?
https://i.imgur.com/cYy0S3C.jpg
Looking great . That’s even the combo I ordered. Thanks!
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Just so there is no confusion, that is gold (which wasn't offered) and not the rose gold.
So, no updates on purple? Yes, I’m going to continue to ask
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ne purple avail?
https://i.imgur.com/cYy0S3C.jpg
Looking great . That’s even the combo I ordered. Thanks!
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Just so there is no confusion, that is gold (which wasn't offered) and not the rose gold.
So, no updates on purple? Yes, I’m going to continue to ask
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ne purple avail?
https://i.imgur.com/cYy0S3C.jpg
So, no updates on purple? Yes, I’m going to continue to ask
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ne purple avail?
https://i.imgur.com/cYy0S3C.jpg
Thanks for the update. Early June still sounds pretty reasonable to me :)
Current ETA is end of May. Zeal will be attending Keycon so shipping will start at some point shortly after pending everything staying on track.
Sorry for slow updates, both Zeal and myself have been quite busy.
Current ETA is end of May. Zeal will be attending Keycon so shipping will start at some point shortly after pending everything staying on track.
Sorry for slow updates, both Zeal and myself have been quite busy.
Wait shipping end of May or after Keycon? Isn't Keycon in June?
One question, is there any chance of this board getting VIA configurator support?
One question, is there any chance of this board getting VIA configurator support?
One question, is there any chance of this board getting VIA configurator support?
100% chance as it's already in. :thumb:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hnMxnjo.png)
+1 to above. Any updates on where we are?
June 10 update:
WT75-A PCBs finished, on hand.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jp3idlf.jpg)
Custom cables for the Xeno PCB to daughterboard on hand.
A few PVD parts need to be redone, this may delay fulfillment by 1-2 weeks from the manufacturer. Current ETA end of June.
Small Acrylic Xeno LED diffuser still cutting, almost done, shipping to us soon.
Great looking PCB!
It's a pity to bury much of the details with soldering.
Will Mill Max or Holtites fit?
Great looking PCB!
It's a pity to bury much of the details with soldering.
Will Mill Max or Holtites fit?
Would be even more of a pity to bury them with millmax or holtites though
Great looking PCB!
It's a pity to bury much of the details with soldering.
Will Mill Max or Holtites fit?
Would be even more of a pity to bury them with millmax or holtites though
I can haz my xeno now?
Any updates?I can haz my xeno now?
I asked for an update on the 27th, waiting to hear back.
the discord server is not open to everyone? can gb participants get in?
the discord server is not open to everyone? can gb participants get in?
It’s just zeal’s discord, nothing private.
Then what is Zeal's discord address?https://discord.gg/AF9wnYD
Correct me if im wrong, but isnt it the GB runners responsibility to keep the participants informed via this geekhack thread?I'd probably be more concerned if it wasnt ran through a vendor, not much we can do if the vendor is getting delayed by the factory which is getting delayed by the govt. All we can do is wait till we hear that they're in, and hopefully that is soon
Correct me if im wrong, but isnt it the GB runners responsibility to keep the participants informed via this geekhack thread?
This is pretty much the nature of a group buy, think of it not like buying a product and more like investing in a company to produce that product. Sticking points happen, it takes a lot of time and effort to get issues resolved. I'm sure you'd rather have a delayed keyboard with better QC than one rushed out with issues.Correct me if im wrong, but isnt it the GB runners responsibility to keep the participants informed via this geekhack thread?
Yeah, I’m not saying there is anything “wrong” going on, but you would think there would be some updates provided by whoever received the money. Seems like that would be part of “their job”. I’m going through a similar thing with my Fusion60. Besides, the monetary arrangements were made here. Why can’t the updates be provided here or even via a direct email since “they” have our email address due to PayPal.
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This is pretty much the nature of a group buy, think of it not like buying a product and more like investing in a company to produce that product. Sticking points happen, it takes a lot of time and effort to get issues resolved. I'm sure you'd rather have a delayed keyboard with better QC than one rushed out with issues.Correct me if im wrong, but isnt it the GB runners responsibility to keep the participants informed via this geekhack thread?
Yeah, I’m not saying there is anything “wrong” going on, but you would think there would be some updates provided by whoever received the money. Seems like that would be part of “their job”. I’m going through a similar thing with my Fusion60. Besides, the monetary arrangements were made here. Why can’t the updates be provided here or even via a direct email since “they” have our email address due to PayPal.
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It will land when it lands.
This is pretty much the nature of a group buy, think of it not like buying a product and more like investing in a company to produce that product. Sticking points happen, it takes a lot of time and effort to get issues resolved. I'm sure you'd rather have a delayed keyboard with better QC than one rushed out with issues.Correct me if im wrong, but isnt it the GB runners responsibility to keep the participants informed via this geekhack thread?
Yeah, I’m not saying there is anything “wrong” going on, but you would think there would be some updates provided by whoever received the money. Seems like that would be part of “their job”. I’m going through a similar thing with my Fusion60. Besides, the monetary arrangements were made here. Why can’t the updates be provided here or even via a direct email since “they” have our email address due to PayPal.
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It will land when it lands.
My comment was purely about communication. Whether there is a month or a year delay, that has no effect on a person’s communication. We all knew that the deadlines were fluid. Well, I can only speak for myself. Overgeneralization is bad. I knew the timelines were fluid. Anybody that’s ever worked with any kind of contractor should know that.
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This is pretty much the nature of a group buy, think of it not like buying a product and more like investing in a company to produce that product. Sticking points happen, it takes a lot of time and effort to get issues resolved. I'm sure you'd rather have a delayed keyboard with better QC than one rushed out with issues.Correct me if im wrong, but isnt it the GB runners responsibility to keep the participants informed via this geekhack thread?
Yeah, I’m not saying there is anything “wrong” going on, but you would think there would be some updates provided by whoever received the money. Seems like that would be part of “their job”. I’m going through a similar thing with my Fusion60. Besides, the monetary arrangements were made here. Why can’t the updates be provided here or even via a direct email since “they” have our email address due to PayPal.
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It will land when it lands.
My comment was purely about communication. Whether there is a month or a year delay, that has no effect on a person’s communication. We all knew that the deadlines were fluid. Well, I can only speak for myself. Overgeneralization is bad. I knew the timelines were fluid. Anybody that’s ever worked with any kind of contractor should know that.
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Yes, I agree with MTXjunkie's comments. All we want to know is a status update. We understand the "delay" and appreciate the GB runner's effort of making better QC.
Actually there are some recent updates (with videos) in discord. They just don't post it here. I am also confused that which one should be the main communication location. If it is Zeal's discord, we should send invitations to all GB participants.
Yes, I agree with MTXjunkie's comments. All we want to know is a status update. We understand the "delay" and appreciate the GB runner's effort of making better QC.
Actually there are some recent updates (with videos) in discord. They just don't post it here. I am also confused that which one should be the main communication location. If it is Zeal's discord, we should send invitations to all GB participants.
That would be AWESOME! I ASSuMEd that the updates would be in the same place I signed up. I can take the fault for that one.
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Yes, I agree with MTXjunkie's comments. All we want to know is a status update. We understand the "delay" and appreciate the GB runner's effort of making better QC.
Actually there are some recent updates (with videos) in discord. They just don't post it here. I am also confused that which one should be the main communication location. If it is Zeal's discord, we should send invitations to all GB participants.
That would be AWESOME! I ASSuMEd that the updates would be in the same place I signed up. I can take the fault for that one.
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Yeah fair enough, Zeal should be posting updates in here too. I just saw the updates on Discord. And for anyone else who didn't Rose Gold PVD is being redone. Silver/Black is being shipped to Zeal possibly for this weekend. Or they're shipping this weekend to Zeal, not sure which one it was.
Thanks a lot Zeal for the update.
Might you sell the rejected rose plates as B stock?
Thanks a lot Zeal for the update.
Might you sell the rejected rose plates as B stock?
er, i think "redone" means the same plates will be re-coated
I'll gladly purchase one of those non-rose gold plates, I actually prefer this color!
Logistically, this is not as easy as it sounds for Zeal and the manufacturerI'll gladly purchase one of those non-rose gold plates, I actually prefer this color!
Thank you for posting here, Zeal. Also, ditto what this gentleman said. I’d gladly take one of the the ones that are the wrong color in exchange for my rose gold.
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Got my Xeno!
...uh, anyone know where to find firmware for it?
Shipping already started?
Did emails go out for shipping notifications? If so, I didn't get one :'(
Awesome, thanks. Super excited for my Xeno :DDid emails go out for shipping notifications? If so, I didn't get one :'(
Yes you will get an email, they are going out as close to order # as possible as they are unpacked.
Also I believe for people who had ordered extra parts, their orders are not shipping yet.
What color combo did you get?Also I believe for people who had ordered extra parts, their orders are not shipping yet.
I have ordered an extra plate and PCB, got a shipping notification yesterday.
What color combo did you get?Also I believe for people who had ordered extra parts, their orders are not shipping yet.
I have ordered an extra plate and PCB, got a shipping notification yesterday.
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What color combo did you get?Also I believe for people who had ordered extra parts, their orders are not shipping yet.
I have ordered an extra plate and PCB, got a shipping notification yesterday.
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Black on black with a silver extra plate.
What color combo did you get?Also I believe for people who had ordered extra parts, their orders are not shipping yet.
I have ordered an extra plate and PCB, got a shipping notification yesterday.
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Black on black with a silver extra plate.
Well damn, so much for black & silver being the first ones to ship out.
Would be good if people who get their boards post up here!
Would be good if people who get their boards post up here!
Here's mine. I plan to put tealios in it.
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Hello
Last update was 7/10 so I hope it is within good social protocol to just check in and see if there is any new news?
Thank you, so excited for my xeno <3
Would very much appreciate an update. Not sure if I should be worried since I haven't gotten an email and some people who ordered black got theirs. I ordered black-on-black. Thanks~
Via the discord looks like the last batch they got in were mostly purples with silver and black on black that should be shipping soon. Silver xenos in the next batch and rose gold hopefully shipping to zeal this month. I would just be patient with your orders! They're going out as they come in and not necessarily by order numbers, depends what you had in your order.
Some people are getting their black on black before others depending on what extras you ordered, they're comming! Waiting for a black on black myself with a few extras an I ordered in Nov, patience is the key, just wait for that fine wine to arrive
Anyone seen a silver one yet? Ordered silver on silver.
FYI for those who hasn't been checking the discord recently, Zeal told us that he set a hard deadline for the rose gold till the end of the month, so wait tight lads.
Hi All,
Apologies for the lack of updates recently.
Our latest update is that the Xenos with black and silver PVD parts will be shipped out first, packing this Sat. Shipment will be expressed over by air and we expect to receive it mid next week.
Updates will be more frequent and we'll keep you guys in the loop. Will also use newsletters more often moving forward for updates.
FYI for those who hasn't been checking the discord recently, Zeal told us that he set a hard deadline for the rose gold till the end of the month, so wait tight lads.
Why didn't I just order black...Trust me, ordering black wouldn't help much. Most of the black/silver has yet to ship out. And somehow Zeal refused to update us on the status of this GB. We have no clue on how much of the black/silver has actually been ship out.
Why didn't I just order black...Trust me, ordering black wouldn't help much. Most of the black/silver has yet to ship out. And somehow Zeal refused to update us on the status of this GB. We have no clue on how much of the black/silver has actually been ship out.
All we know is rose gold is definitely delay. And manufacturers are shipping him the rest if the keyboard small batches by small batches(also no info on that).
So all I can say is just forgot Xeno exist and hope one day the keyboard will just random appear on ur house door.
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Zeal posted a large update on his discord, and not here as per the rules... again. :))
Zeal posted a large update on his discord, and not here as per the rules... again. :))
Here are the provided updates -- https://imgur.com/a/xV3szC8
The images after the 00 captioned ones are the same ones but in full-sized format, in order of appearance.
Thanks for posting the update info. I'm still excited for the board and after seeing the pictures I'm glad they haven't been sent out yet. Though its frustrating that this has happened I think Zeal is making the correct, though difficult, decision. I can only imagine the damage to Zeal as a brand in sending out low quality products, I'm sure this is stressful for Zeal. :(
I’m glad he updated, but that does against what he said. I just ask and stay out of it. It’s getting pretty ugly on discord. People are pretty fed up.Oh yeah, I'm not defending the delay at all and I completely understand everyone's frustrations.
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Look, I'm actually friends with the guy an am still waiting on black & black... Its not his fault, sometimes being the middle man leaves you unable to have full control of everything... The guys a stand up dude an will not send you a b stock board an will not dissapear.. We're all in the same boat, best thing to do would to be just not to think about it.
Trust me I want mine too. Lol
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The original ship date target was April-May of this year.
The last update on the Zeal website was June 10.
Zeal hasn't posted here since July 10.
The only updates come via Discord, and it's been over a month since we've had one of those. Recent updates have had no real ETAs, anyhow.
I know we should typically expect updates in this thread, but at this point, continuing to ask here seems silly. Zeal has decided to spend quite a bit of his goodwill with the community on avoiding the work of typing an update and posting it. Our only recourse is to learn to use Discord and wait.
The original ship date target was April-May of this year.
The last update on the Zeal website was June 10.
Zeal hasn't posted here since July 10.
The only updates come via Discord, and it's been over a month since we've had one of those. Recent updates have had no real ETAs, anyhow.
I know we should typically expect updates in this thread, but at this point, continuing to ask here seems silly. Zeal has decided to spend quite a bit of his goodwill with the community on avoiding the work of typing an update and posting it. Our only recourse is to learn to use Discord and wait.
Yes, sir. I post/read in both places. I just want to make sure he has a fair chance to see what I’m asking. I also want everyone else to have the info too. I know everyone would like to know. Especially with the holidays coming up. We all know how that just shuts things down for basically 2 months.
I hate to have to post so many places and so repetitively, but I just want updates in reasonable intervals. I feel like I’m the bad guy (because I feel like I’m beating a dead horse), but I think that’s a reasonable ask. Especially when I’ve prepaid $700+.
I know the common sentiment seems to keep coming up that I think Zeal will run off with our money. That is NOT what I’m saying. The simplest, but probably not most PC, way I can say it is, I’m a paying customer and I just want reasonable service.
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The original ship date target was April-May of this year.
The last update on the Zeal website was June 10.
Zeal hasn't posted here since July 10.
The only updates come via Discord, and it's been over a month since we've had one of those. Recent updates have had no real ETAs, anyhow.
I know we should typically expect updates in this thread, but at this point, continuing to ask here seems silly. Zeal has decided to spend quite a bit of his goodwill with the community on avoiding the work of typing an update and posting it. Our only recourse is to learn to use Discord and wait.
Yes, sir. I post/read in both places. I just want to make sure he has a fair chance to see what I’m asking. I also want everyone else to have the info too. I know everyone would like to know. Especially with the holidays coming up. We all know how that just shuts things down for basically 2 months.
I hate to have to post so many places and so repetitively, but I just want updates in reasonable intervals. I feel like I’m the bad guy (because I feel like I’m beating a dead horse), but I think that’s a reasonable ask. Especially when I’ve prepaid $700+.
I know the common sentiment seems to keep coming up that I think Zeal will run off with our money. That is NOT what I’m saying. The simplest, but probably not most PC, way I can say it is, I’m a paying customer and I just want reasonable service.
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I think your willingness to continue asking nicely is very generous. :) It just seems, uh, optimistic at this point.
nah fam... you don't got to take this. Contact your credit card company and let them know. Chargeback.
That's how we got the last update.
This is the update posted by Zeal just now (07 Nov, 5:17 PM GMT+8)
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This is the update posted by Zeal just now (07 Nov, 5:17 PM GMT+8)
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I can’t find that comment. I’d love to acknowledge it with a reply. It didn’t really answer my question, but at least it is a reply with some more information.
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This is the update posted by Zeal just now (07 Nov, 5:17 PM GMT+8)
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I can’t find that comment. I’d love to acknowledge it with a reply. It didn’t really answer my question, but at least it is a reply with some more information.
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Zeal's status update was in the Keyboards channel, not the General channel.
For those not on the Discord...
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Waiting on black on black.
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Got the DHL notification yesterday that my Purple/Rose Gold Half-Plate Xeno shipped, just to give y'all a heads up. I still have a Black/Rose Gold Full Plate kit from the same order that has not yet shipped.
It's disappointing that folks seem to be getting the runaround on this. I remember opting for the M60-A SEQ2 over the Xeno and now I'm feeling like I dodged a bullet :(
Is it still possible to ask for a refund on this? I don't mind the delays but the transparency is really getting on my nerve.
Completely forgot I ordered this board until today. Disappointed to see all the drama. I was also disappointed to see my Lumina GB fell through. Can anyone tell me about chargebacks? How long after a charge can chargebacks be initiated?
if anyone wants to sell their slot i'll happily buy it and take on the wait. ;DYou should watch the unboxing at the end of this video, might change your mind..
if anyone wants to sell their slot i'll happily buy it and take on the wait. ;DYou should watch the unboxing at the end of this video, might change your mind..
if anyone wants to sell their slot i'll happily buy it and take on the wait. ;DYou should watch the unboxing at the end of this video, might change your mind..
if anyone wants to sell their slot i'll happily buy it and take on the wait. ;DYou should watch the unboxing at the end of this video, might change your mind..
"... I'm supposed to have a black one, not a black and tactical black ..."
I honestly don’t care about machine marks or anodizing issues on hidden parts. You will never see them. The color mismatch on black is disappointing though. I thought black was one of the easier colors to get right in these applications. Maybe not.
The mill marks on the weight are to be expected. It was unfortunate but no one ever said it was going to get fixed.
Overall, it’s still a cool board. Even cooler with a polycarbonate half plate and updated firmware for full via control.
All valid points. I still don't think we know exactly what happened in communications between the manuf. and Zeal. My hunch is that they said they were acceptable, he said they weren't and there you have a standoff. So they say, we'll make them better when we have time, or you take them all now. This is the end result. Seems plausible to me.
I didn't buy the board b/c it was a boutique item. I bought it to support pwner, honestly. Looking forward to getting a Jubi one day, too.
Oof. That is definitely a let down. Still a solid board, but not what it should have been. Picked the wrong mfg...
Oof. That is definitely a let down. Still a solid board, but not what it should have been. Picked the wrong mfg...
dream layout... dream materials... dare I say grail? i'd do it still ;D not a reseller, I'm just a huge fan of 75's and my KBD75 isn't endgame enough for this form factor.
7v (i assume?) im not interested in and yes i'm in the Dawn but it seems that GB has issues of their own as well. I also missed the Satisfaction groupbuy which would be neck-to-neck with the Xeno in my book. The novelty of the dial switch made me FOMO more than i thought i would lately since I adjust volume based on if i'm gaming or not. :DThe Dawn hasn't entered the group buy stage yet. Salvun just made the first proto, it was on his IG story yesterday :)
7v (i assume?) im not interested in and yes i'm in the Dawn but it seems that GB has issues of their own as well. I also missed the Satisfaction groupbuy which would be neck-to-neck with the Xeno in my book. The novelty of the dial switch made me FOMO more than i thought i would lately since I adjust volume based on if i'm gaming or not. :D
I mean I kinda assume you're still going to see the bad machining mistakes because cerakote is so thin ...I thought the problem with the board in the video was jus the 2 different shades of black?
Got the DHL notification yesterday that my Purple/Rose Gold Half-Plate Xeno shipped, just to give y'all a heads up. I still have a Black/Rose Gold Full Plate kit from the same order that has not yet shipped.
Great to hear! Please share about the QC if possible and share some good pictures.
I wish there was more official communication on Zeal’s website.
Hello there, I think you must be confusing Dawn with a different board as it's currently in the prototyping stage and should be headed towards GB shortly with no issue. Have a nice day :)
Got the DHL notification yesterday that my Purple/Rose Gold Half-Plate Xeno shipped, just to give y'all a heads up. I still have a Black/Rose Gold Full Plate kit from the same order that has not yet shipped.
Great to hear! Please share about the QC if possible and share some good pictures.
I wish there was more official communication on Zeal’s website.
My apologies, I took pictures when I got it home right before Thanksgiving, but forgot to upload them. I had similar issues as Manofinterests, and have compiled them in this album: https://imgur.com/a/ip7Ov7d
Got the DHL notification yesterday that my Purple/Rose Gold Half-Plate Xeno shipped, just to give y'all a heads up. I still have a Black/Rose Gold Full Plate kit from the same order that has not yet shipped.
Great to hear! Please share about the QC if possible and share some good pictures.
I wish there was more official communication on Zeal’s website.
My apologies, I took pictures when I got it home right before Thanksgiving, but forgot to upload them. I had similar issues as Manofinterests, and have compiled them in this album: https://imgur.com/a/ip7Ov7d
Thanks for sharing buddy. I have hope that Zeal will step up and make it right for everyone involved. I hope that QC improves as this goes on.
FWIW, Yours looks better than manofinterests.
... Very poor anodizing match between top and bottom pieces, seems to be an anodizing issue on the right side where the top and bottom meet, as well...
... Side shot so you see that the mismatch is noticeable even from some distance...
... To be honest, this level of color mismatching between top and bottom are not what I expected at all, gives it a cheap kit vibe...
Any updates? Nothing on discord since 1/14.
Got my shipping notice today. Black w/rose gold full plate.
Photos using indoor plant lights (more white than orange compared to normal bulbs). Not bad at all. Color matching reasonable and only somewhat noticeable under certain lighting or angles. There are machine marks on the Xeno logo inside the case on the weight as well as outside the case on the weight. Inside logo marks are more noticeable than the ones on the outside. I did not include the photo of this since I took it on my smartphone but I posted it in the Xeno discord. I have yet to open it up and look closely for any problems inside the case or in the screw holes.
https://imgur.com/a/PQDk9bY
Almost one year passed since my order, still no update...
Also, I want to reconfirm the use of VIA. A couple people have had issues with using the incorrect hex and VIA not detecting. Be sure to grab the latest version of VIA from here (https://caniusevia.com/) and also the correct WT75-a firmware from this page (https://caniusevia.com/docs/download_firmware).
Pretty disappointing quality given the premium price.
Especially when you compare to what Monstar was offering for an in-stock item for 3/4 of the cost.
Pretty disappointing quality given the premium price.
Especially when you compare to what Monstar was offering for an in-stock item for 3/4 of the cost.
But the monstar boards have crappy stabilizers (with no option to swap) and no QMK.
Pretty disappointing quality given the premium price.
Especially when you compare to what Monstar was offering for an in-stock item for 3/4 of the cost.
But the monstar boards have crappy stabilizers (with no option to swap) and no QMK.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/evj1an/one_of_the_reason_using_brass_plate/ffyfi0w/
its coming
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Same . Waiting for my Xeno and waiting for my 280, which will come first...Ne silver Xenos avail
Did you see the one posted in discord?
https://imgur.com/a/LrdiQEK
Can't wait for mine to get here. Well... I've waited a year. What am I saying? Of course I can wait.
Same . Waiting for my Xeno and waiting for my 280, which will come first...For what it's worth I got my 280 and the QC was much better. Still waiting on my 220 in the second batch though...
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Did you see the one posted in discord?
https://imgur.com/a/LrdiQEK
Can't wait for mine to get here. Well... I've waited a year. What am I saying? Of course I can wait.
Uh oh. My Xeno is down. Worked fine for a couple of weeks.
Now, when I hit backspace, I get: `12345
Up arrow produces: ZXCVBN
Tried an EEPROM reset and a QMK re-flash, no change.
I suppose the board is fried due to ESD?
Finally received by Black + PVD Rose Gold Plate.
PCB A+
Case outside B, one small nick on back, few minute scratches in ano, top and bottom pretty similar blacks
Case inside C-, rust in screw holes, 4 scrapes into anodization, dust piles and build up
Plates & Weight B-, scuffs on back of plate, one corner of weight not round, tons of machining marks up close.
Better than vaporware, but only just a little.
I am still waiting for my Xeno. Honestly, I won't ever buy anything from Zeal and I will discourage others from doing so.
He is wiping his face with the Chinese manufacturers and as a customer, I don't care. He wanted to go cheap and he ****ed up. Zeal should admit the mistake and find a manufacturer for the rest of the orders in a country, where you don't wait 1.5 years for an order that is arriving in a terrible finish.
The argument that this is how it is in this community is below any level self-respect. A normal company (which Zeal Generation Inc. is) would just give back the money to customers and apologize.
This is F’ing ridiculous, mindblowing incompetence. I work in hardware, so I’m usually understanding when things get delayed. But so many GBs have come and gone since Xeno’s supposed ship date. Are we going to make it to the 2 year mark in delays, Zeal?I am still waiting for my Xeno. Honestly, I won't ever buy anything from Zeal and I will discourage others from doing so.
He is wiping his face with the Chinese manufacturers and as a customer, I don't care. He wanted to go cheap and he ****ed up. Zeal should admit the mistake and find a manufacturer for the rest of the orders in a country, where you don't wait 1.5 years for an order that is arriving in a terrible finish.
The argument that this is how it is in this community is below any level self-respect. A normal company (which Zeal Generation Inc. is) would just give back the money to customers and apologize.
I don't think this is an issue about Chinese manufacturers as a whole, it's an issue with the specific Chinese manufacturer chosen and Zeal is now supposed to switching to a new manufacturer.
There are plenty of companies that use Chinese manufacturer and do not have excessive delays, as far as I know Keycult and Rama use Chinese manufacturing, with Keycult going local USA in house manufacturer and going to Salvun recently. The actual Chinese keyboard makers like Gray Studio, Percent Studios, Exclusive, Fox Labs and Matrix Lab seem to be able to produce good products without anything beyond the usual group buy and/or COVID-19 related delays.
This is F’ing ridiculous, mindblowing incompetence. I work in hardware, so I’m usually understanding when things get delayed. But so many GBs have come and gone since Xeno’s supposed ship date. Are we going to make it to the 2 year mark in delays, Zeal?I am still waiting for my Xeno. Honestly, I won't ever buy anything from Zeal and I will discourage others from doing so.
He is wiping his face with the Chinese manufacturers and as a customer, I don't care. He wanted to go cheap and he ****ed up. Zeal should admit the mistake and find a manufacturer for the rest of the orders in a country, where you don't wait 1.5 years for an order that is arriving in a terrible finish.
The argument that this is how it is in this community is below any level self-respect. A normal company (which Zeal Generation Inc. is) would just give back the money to customers and apologize.
I don't think this is an issue about Chinese manufacturers as a whole, it's an issue with the specific Chinese manufacturer chosen and Zeal is now supposed to switching to a new manufacturer.
There are plenty of companies that use Chinese manufacturer and do not have excessive delays, as far as I know Keycult and Rama use Chinese manufacturing, with Keycult going local USA in house manufacturer and going to Salvun recently. The actual Chinese keyboard makers like Gray Studio, Percent Studios, Exclusive, Fox Labs and Matrix Lab seem to be able to produce good products without anything beyond the usual group buy and/or COVID-19 related delays.
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I agree, which is why I’m usually understanding when GB runners experience delays. But I went with someone like Zeal because they’re not exactly new in the game. I don’t expect product on the level of something backed by a team of experienced engineers, but I did expect them to be as good as some of the other “high end” GB runners in the communityThis is F’ing ridiculous, mindblowing incompetence. I work in hardware, so I’m usually understanding when things get delayed. But so many GBs have come and gone since Xeno’s supposed ship date. Are we going to make it to the 2 year mark in delays, Zeal?I am still waiting for my Xeno. Honestly, I won't ever buy anything from Zeal and I will discourage others from doing so.
He is wiping his face with the Chinese manufacturers and as a customer, I don't care. He wanted to go cheap and he ****ed up. Zeal should admit the mistake and find a manufacturer for the rest of the orders in a country, where you don't wait 1.5 years for an order that is arriving in a terrible finish.
The argument that this is how it is in this community is below any level self-respect. A normal company (which Zeal Generation Inc. is) would just give back the money to customers and apologize.
I don't think this is an issue about Chinese manufacturers as a whole, it's an issue with the specific Chinese manufacturer chosen and Zeal is now supposed to switching to a new manufacturer.
There are plenty of companies that use Chinese manufacturer and do not have excessive delays, as far as I know Keycult and Rama use Chinese manufacturing, with Keycult going local USA in house manufacturer and going to Salvun recently. The actual Chinese keyboard makers like Gray Studio, Percent Studios, Exclusive, Fox Labs and Matrix Lab seem to be able to produce good products without anything beyond the usual group buy and/or COVID-19 related delays.
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Yeah, two years is pretty bad, I agree, but I work in hardware too, and what you have to remember is most people on here don't and have no idea what they are doing. Sure you or me could **** out a polished mass produced product in 8 months with a lot of funding, or prototype level thing like most stuff on here is in a few months, but people who don't know what they are doing will take much much longer.
Zeal is blaming another chinese holidays for the delay. I think he should just get over it and find a professional manu in some normal country, instead of dealing with some unprofessional company that acts like it has a third-world country production standards.
Zeal is blaming another chinese holidays for the delay. I think he should just get over it and find a professional manu in some normal country, instead of dealing with some unprofessional company that acts like it has a third-world country production standards.Lmao everywhere has manufacturers that have lower standards, otherwise the people looking for cheaper options outside of Asia would have nowhere to go
Zeal is blaming another chinese holidays for the delay. I think he should just get over it and find a professional manu in some normal country, instead of dealing with some unprofessional company that acts like it has a third-world country production standards.
There's 1.4 Billion Chinese people that probably feel their country is pretty normal. Maybe Zeal could get Salvun to do it! ...but he's in Belgium. I've been to Belgium; those guys are not normal. Have you tried their beer? It's no Bud Light! Also, their capital is Brussels!!!! BRUSSELS!!!! LIKE THE EFFING SPROUT!!!!
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Zeal mentioned in discord recently that he got notification that pvd was finally done properly and shipping to them this week for approval.
It's like kbdfans quality but with a premium price tag. I would think kbdfans are even better.
I'm disappointed with what I received for the price that I paid.
My xeno seems to be acting up after sitting for a while. When I come back to the computer, it often doesn't work. Unplugging it and plugging it back in seems to fix the issues. Any ideas?
To add I've had issues sometimes with USB hubs causing a problem similar to this.My xeno seems to be acting up after sitting for a while. When I come back to the computer, it often doesn't work. Unplugging it and plugging it back in seems to fix the issues. Any ideas?
Have you tried troubleshooting?
- Try another VIA keyboard? Cable? USB port? Computer?
- Uninstall keyboard drivers?
- Keyboard power settings in device manager?