Author Topic: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE: Vote for Kits & Quantities! (Read 1004058 times)

Broncosoozie · « **Reply #450 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 00:59:05 »

I'm confused, wasn't the deadline to add new stuff to the kits Jan 15th?

What's the new deadline? I don't want this to end up like round 2 where there's a million things going on and we never actually get to the order stage...

I was under the impression that Jan 15th was the cutoff date for adding new kits, then the ones that everyone agreed/decided on would be voted on for some amount of time, say maybe another week or two. Then we'd have a clear number of what people want, and we could check prices for sure, and that would be the final yes/no vote.

I don't mind waiting, but it seemed you had a very clear-cut plan before, and it was nice to see some organization. Now, it appears you've gone backwards :S. I'm curious as to what the current plan is, and at what point we are.

Half-Saint · « **Reply #451 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 01:34:27 »

The ESCAPE key where the figure is closer to the text looks better imho.

Moogle Stiltzkin · « **Reply #452 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 03:30:11 »

@Broncosoozie

Don't worry 7bit will pull through for us.

He probably got delayed because he helped me put in the ducky kit just recently so was working out the details on that one.

Maybe that is why ?

7bit · « **Reply #453 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 04:14:02 »

Quote from: Broncosoozie;280893

I'm confused, wasn't the deadline to add new stuff to the kits Jan 15th?

What's the new deadline? I don't want this to end up like round 2 where there's a million things going on and we never actually get to the order stage...

I was under the impression that Jan 15th was the cutoff date for adding new kits, then the ones that everyone agreed/decided on would be voted on for some amount of time, say maybe another week or two. Then we'd have a clear number of what people want, and we could check prices for sure, and that would be the final yes/no vote.

I don't mind waiting, but it seemed you had a very clear-cut plan before, and it was nice to see some organization. Now, it appears you've gone backwards :S. I'm curious as to what the current plan is, and at what point we are.

There will be no new kits anymore, except for the novelty keys.

I just wait for the price quote, so the money-collection can begin!

Quote from: Half-Saint;280904

The ESCAPE key where the figure is closer to the text looks better imho.

Sure it looks better!

Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;280925

@Broncosoozie

Don't worry 7bit will pull through for us.

He probably got delayed because he helped me put in the ducky kit just recently so was working out the details on that one.

Maybe that is why ?

No, don't worry!

Sorry that your plan didn't work out as expected!

bugfix · « **Reply #454 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 04:16:32 »

Was the svg okay or does it still need fixing?

http://philblog.de/dl/escape12.svg

7bit · « **Reply #455 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 04:19:34 »

Quote from: bugfix;280938

Was the svg okay or does it still need fixing?

http://philblog.de/dl/escape12.svg

Quote from: Half-Saint;280904

The ESCAPE key where the figure is closer to the text looks better imho.

Quote from: squarebox;280852

I prefer the original Running man
Show Image

I'm not so sure about which is better, but the text-Running man-relation should be as in the red graphic.

bugfix · « **Reply #456 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 04:36:38 »

OK, I've added the "traditional" running man:

http://philblog.de/dl/escape12.svg
http://philblog.de/dl/escape13.svg

Is the " text-Running man-relation" in these two files OK?

7bit · « **Reply #457 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 05:29:22 »

Quote from: bugfix;280941

OK, I've added the "traditional" running man:

http://philblog.de/dl/escape12.svg
http://philblog.de/dl/escape13.svg

Is the " text-Running man-relation" in these two files OK?

http://philblog.de/dl/escape12.svg is perfect! Don't change it anymore!

I will tweak the other and post both as soon as possible, so everyone should decide wich one to take.

Thank you very much for doing this!!!

bugfix · « **Reply #458 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 05:30:32 »

Quote from: 7bit;280955

Thank you very much for doing this!!!

Thank you for making all of this possible.

Moogle Stiltzkin · « **Reply #459 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 05:51:53 »

Thanks 7bit. I also greatly appreciate his efforts.

He is white rice 2.0

Sixty is also another good samaritan :} thx for the key set.

7bit_vote · « **Reply #460 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 10:05:37 »

This is the last kit I will add to this round. See you in 2012 if you want something different!

If there is not enough demand for it (something near 25 sets), it will be skipped!

Standard Black kit

Standard Black kit .......... $75 / 25 (STANDARDBLACK)

BTW: I still wait for the price-quote and will update all prices according to it.

verbel · « **Reply #461 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 11:47:11 »

so if I put down

Black kit (orange text)......
Black Mod kit (orange text)..
Black Alnum kit (orange text)

That should be all thats needed to make a complete set of the black with orange text keys right?

7bit · « **Reply #462 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 12:28:29 »

Quote from: verbel;281100

so if I put down

Black kit (orange text)......
Black Mod kit (orange text)..
Black Alnum kit (orange text)

That should be all thats needed to make a complete set of the black with orange text keys right?

Right!

:-)

verbel · « **Reply #463 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 12:32:26 »

Awsome thanks 7bit. Should look really awsome.

Naku · « **Reply #464 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 13:21:15 »

I would like to have my keys in black and alnum, but nordic-kit has grey keys

7bit · « **Reply #465 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 13:28:15 »

Quote from: Naku;281173

I would like to have my keys in black and alnum, but nordic-kit has grey keys

It is not even clear if there will be an all-black Standard kit.

Take 5 and consider Nordic kit to come in black as well...

mkawa · « **Reply #466 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 01:50:04 »

hmm.. i like the idea of substituting space bars into the standard kit.

could i similarly substitute the mac modifier keys (2xCOMMAND, 2xOPTION, 1xBLANK) into the standard kit?

these would sub for the 2xWIN, 2xALT and 1x contextual menu

ie, a MACSTANDARD kit?

7bit · « **Reply #467 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 02:48:06 »

Quote from: mkawa;281603

hmm.. i like the idea of substituting space bars into the standard kit.

could i similarly substitute the mac modifier keys (2xCOMMAND, 2xOPTION, 1xBLANK) into the standard kit?

these would sub for the 2xWIN, 2xALT and 1x contextual menu

ie, a MACSTANDARD kit?

I did a mini-survey some time ago:
3 of us wanted 2xHYPER and 4 wanted META ...

There will be no spilt up.

lowpoly · « **Reply #468 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 03:28:19 »

Is there a possibility to have an all gray alpha set? Did I miss it or is it not possible atm?

As for the escapee, good work. I think his right arm (the one at the back) is still a bit massive when compared to the legs? Maybe enlarge the negative space at the elbow a bit?

7bit · « **Reply #469 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 03:40:39 »

Quote from: lowpoly;281626

Is there a possibility to have an all gray alpha set? Did I miss it or is it not possible atm?

As for the escapee, good work. I think his right arm (the one at the back) is still a bit massive when compared to the legs? Maybe enlarge the negative space at the elbow a bit?

Do you mean grey blank keys? Yes, just have to add it to the list ($20 / 25).

just send:
GREYBLANK 25

to 7bit_vote.

The Escape key:

just ask bugfix to fix that elbow-bug.

lowpoly · « **Reply #470 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 03:50:24 »

Quote from: 7bit;281628

Do you mean grey blank keys?

No, gray with symbols. If it's not there no problem.

Quote from: 7bit;281628

just ask bugfix to fix that elbow-bug.

:-)

Half-Saint · « **Reply #471 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 03:55:36 »

Quote from: lowpoly;281626

As for the escapee, good work. I think his right arm (the one at the back) is still a bit massive when compared to the legs? Maybe enlarge the negative space at the elbow a bit?

If you look at the original running man, you'll see that both his arms and legs are of equal thickness.

Cheers

bugfix · « **Reply #472 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 04:35:18 »

I'm at the university right now, I'll have a look at it as soon as I get home.

7bit · « **Reply #473 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 07:22:59 »

Quote from: lowpoly;281629

No, gray with symbols. If it's not there no problem.

Do you mean this:

bugfix · « **Reply #474 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 08:13:35 »

Quote from: lowpoly;281626

Maybe enlarge the negative space at the elbow a bit?

http://philblog.de/dl/escape14.svg

Perhaps?

7bit · « **Reply #475 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 08:52:38 »

Quote from: bugfix;281662

http://philblog.de/dl/escape14.svg

Perhaps?

Maby the arms a bit thinner, but not too thin!

Currently, the arm gets thicker towards its end.

Make it thinner from the 'inside' whare thet 'island' is, so it will be larger. The island, I mean.

Always keep in mind that it will only be this small:

lowpoly · « **Reply #476 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 08:55:41 »

Quote from: 7bit;281653

Do you mean this:
[pic]

No, I meant the whole alpha part in the lighter gray, backspace for ex.

Quote from: bugfix;281662

http://philblog.de/dl/escape14.svg

Perhaps?

Here are some distances (thickness) for #14:

You guys spent several posts on the composition of text and graphics, so I thought I'd mention it. Hard to fix when the keys are done. I'll stay out of this from now on. :-)

7bit · « **Reply #477 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 09:04:56 »

Quote from: lowpoly;281679

No, I meant the whole alpha part in the lighter gray, backspace for ex.

Alpha: A-Z
Alnum: A-Z0-9
Modifier:ALT-TAB
Function:ESCAPE-PAUSE

But I jkonw what you mean: What is black in the Standard kit, you want in grey, and vice versa. Like the Symbolics keybord!

I will see, what I can do (except that I will not be so stupid to split up the Modifer kit etc. into two background color versions!)
PS: If you take 5 grey modifier kits along with the 'reverse-video-color-scheme' it will maybe possible ...

Quote

Here are some distances (thickness) for #14:

Show Image

You guys spent several posts on the composition of text and graphics, so I thought I'd mention it. Hard to fix when the keys are done. I'll stay out of this from now on. :-)

@Bugfix: make all measures for the legs the same (thiker if nec.) and all measures for the arms the same (thinner if nec.) as well.

Make sure that the ellbow is still in line with the right-end of the text.

7bit_vote · « **Reply #478 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 09:22:36 »

Quote from: lowpoly;281679

No, I meant the whole alpha part in the lighter gray, backspace for ex.

Price: $75 / 25 or $50 / 50

vote:
STANDARDREVERSE 25

bugfix · « **Reply #479 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 09:27:05 »

I made him thinner overall, the one I used before was kinda faulty.

http://philblog.de/dl/escape15.svg

lowpoly · « **Reply #480 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 09:32:41 »

Quote from: 7bit;281683

But I jkonw what you mean: What is black in the Standard kit, you want in grey, and vice versa. Like the Symbolics keybord!

I thought like this:

But I see it would require a second modifier set as well... If it's not there, don't worry about it just for me.

7bit · « **Reply #481 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 09:42:18 »

Quote from: bugfix;281699

I made him thinner overall, the one I used before was kinda faulty.

http://philblog.de/dl/escape15.svg

Lowpoly will like it!

7bit · « **Reply #482 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 09:45:02 »

Quote from: lowpoly;281703

I thought like this:

Show Image

But I see it would require a second modifier set as well... If it's not there, don't worry about it just for me.

If this is for the Guru-board, then make sure that there are not such wasteful keys like Backspace (2units) or shift (2.25 or 2.75 units). Also I would recommend to have at least 4 modifier keys to the left and forget in-keyboard hard-wired FN-keys!!!

bugfix · « **Reply #483 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 09:47:23 »

Quote from: 7bit;281705

Lowpoly will like it!

Where did that suspicious bump on the guy's chest come from?

:lol:

7bit · « **Reply #484 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 10:18:48 »

Quote from: bugfix;281707

Where did that suspicious bump on the guy's chest come from?

:lol:

It's the girl who chases the escape man.

7bit_vote · « **Reply #485 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 10:53:09 »

I removed the following kits becuase of lack of support, imposibility, or because these are now included in other kits:

Chocolate kit (C64 style) ... $75 / 25 (CHOCOLATE) // was a joke, got never any interest (except for 1 vote)
ES kit ...................... $10 / 25 (ES) // 2 sets are too few!
FR kit ...................... $13 / 25 (FR, BE) // 1 set is too few!
NL kit ...................... $12 / 25 (NL) // no one ever cared
XX kit .................... $5-18 / 25 (XX) // no further national layouts
Symbols kit ................. $10 / 25 (SYMBOLS) // 1 set is too few!
Ducky kit ................... $20 / 25 (DUCKY) // 0 voted for this, skip!
Top-row supp. kit ............ $5 / 25 (TOPROW) // some wanted it, now no one ever cared
L-shape RETURN ............... $4 / 25 (LRET) // these where introduced, becuase
L-shape RETURN black blank ... $4 / 25 (LRETBLACK) // of the naming confusion.
L-shape RETURN orange blank .. $4 / 25 (LRETORANGE) // no interest,
L-shape RETURN white blank ... $4 / 25 (LRETWHITE) // skipped!
Black Widow (uncertain if possible) (SPACEWIDBLACK) // no measures,
Black Widow (uncertain if possible) (SPACEWIDGREY) // no votes,
Black Widow (uncertain if possible) (SPACEWIDORANGE) // skip!

The WASD-key is not so expansive as I thought. It counts as normal text, so it will be included into the Gamer kits:
WASD key with arrows Orange .. $0 / 25 (included in Orange kit)
WASD key with arrows Red ..... $0 / 25 (included in Red kit)
WASD key with arrows Blue .... $0 / 25 (included in White on Blue kit)
WASD key with arrows White ... $0 / 25 (included in Blue on White kit)
WASD key with arrows Black ... $0 / 25 (included in Black kit)

I got a price quote from SP, but I'm not finished with the analysis.

I will post the new pricelist in a few hours or days ...

bugfix · « **Reply #486 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 10:56:24 »

Quote from: 7bit_vote;282313

I will post the new pricelist in a few hours or days ...

Looking forward to it. :-)

lowpoly · « **Reply #487 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 11:13:17 »

Quote from: 7bit;281705

[pic]

Lowpoly will like it!

LOL!

Quote from: 7bit;281706

If this is for the Guru-board, then make sure that there are not such wasteful keys like Backspace (2units) or shift (2.25 or 2.75 units). Also I would recommend to have at least 4 modifier keys to the left and forget in-keyboard hard-wired FN-keys!!!

Just for my personal use.

I'll stay with the standard layout for now. More keys are not necessarily better. And there are layers anyway.

FN keys won't be hard-wired.

7bit · « **Reply #488 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 11:55:37 »

Quote from: lowpoly;282338

LOL!

Just for my personal use.

I'll stay with the standard layout for now. More keys are not necessarily better. And there are layers anyway.

FN keys won't be hard-wired.

Yes, but your Mini-Guru is just a normal Cherry keyboard without the function row, cursor-keys and num pad. Not really a good alternative to the HHKB.

Just my ¥2.

Moogle Stiltzkin · « **Reply #489 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 12:54:02 »

NuUUUUU!!!!

*dies x_x;

hfcobra · « **Reply #490 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 21:27:33 »

well i think that that day has come, i did not get my email today about the kits and quantities that i want so he might just be busy getting everything ready for a final price quote so people know how much to pay.

steeef · « **Reply #491 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 22:24:19 »

The cutoff was for key suggestions:

Quote from: 7bit;280937

There will be no new kits anymore, except for the novelty keys.

I just wait for the price quote, so the money-collection can begin!

7bit_vote · « **Reply #492 on:** Sat, 22 January 2011, 05:22:09 »

Quote from: steeef;282694

The cutoff was for key suggestions:

Right!

I updated the prices. Originally all prices where calculated at 25 sets, but the majority of kits will not reach that. So I asked for a price-quote at lower quantities. Please look at the first page for the updated prices.

The reason, why the price for the Standard kit is not lower than when it was calculated for 50 sets, is that it as grown a bit since I set the price to $50.

We still need to decide whether it will be a light blue or a dark blue for the Blue on White and White on Blue kits:

BLUEONWHITE.................5 (Gamer kit) ($14/15)
WHITEONBLUE.................8 (Gamer kit) ($14/15)

I will contact all those who voted for either kit and ask for their choice of color.

002 · « **Reply #493 on:** Sat, 22 January 2011, 05:55:56 »

I haven't really been paying attention lately (sorry) but can someone tell me if my 'vote' counts as my pre-order? I don't want to miss out on this, that's all.

hfcobra · « **Reply #494 on:** Sat, 22 January 2011, 13:50:15 »

yes your vote is basically your pre-order. You can still not order what you pre-order if not enough people go for it and it ends up being too expensive so dont worry about that

I'm already looking forward to round 4 since the Black Standard set will probably have more votes for it then, i dont want to get one right now for $75, that is just too much. If it gets some support next time and drops to 50ish, I will get a set or 2 for sure!

7bit · « **Reply #495 on:** Sat, 22 January 2011, 14:40:25 »

Quote from: hfcobra;282925

yes your vote is basically your pre-order. You can still not order what you pre-order if not enough people go for it and it ends up being too expensive so dont worry about that

I'm already looking forward to round 4 since the Black Standard set will probably have more votes for it then, i dont want to get one right now for $75, that is just too much. If it gets some support next time and drops to 50ish, I will get a set or 2 for sure!

Correct!

I think we should wait a week and then start collecting the money. There will be hopefully some late-comers to jump onto the train with.

If there come loads of additional people out of a sudden, we can refund the over-paiments or just put some extras in, like blank key caps or so.

PS: I will keep those kits which where skipped in mind (in my computer in fact) and bring them up next year for a follow up.

hfcobra · « **Reply #496 on:** Sat, 22 January 2011, 15:19:57 »

Quote from: 7bit;282959

Correct!

I think we should wait a week and then start collecting the money. There will be hopefully some late-comers to jump onto the train with.

If there come loads of additional people out of a sudden, we can refund the over-paiments or just put some extras in, like blank key caps or so.

PS: I will keep those kits which where skipped in mind (in my computer in fact) and bring them up next year for a follow up.

awesome thanks!

StiMPy · « **Reply #497 on:** Sun, 23 January 2011, 15:25:37 »

Quick question, if I order a non standard space bar (like say an orange one), does it replace the space bar included in the standard set or is it in addition to?

Edit: I think I got it figured out. Anyway, so far as escape keys, I saw one quite a bit ago that would be quite easy to read when small. I could do it for you in eps if you liked the look of it.

BlueRain · « **Reply #498 on:** Sun, 23 January 2011, 17:43:39 »

Quote from: 7bit_vote;282755

We still need to decide whether it will be a light blue or a dark blue for the Blue on White and White on Blue kits:

BLUEONWHITE.................5 (Gamer kit) ($14/15)
WHITEONBLUE.................8 (Gamer kit) ($14/15)

I will contact all those who voted for either kit and ask for their choice of color.

Can I add a vote to WHITEONBLUE?

StiMPy · « **Reply #499 on:** Sun, 23 January 2011, 17:46:56 »

Quote from: BlueRain;283556

Can I add a vote to WHITEONBLUE?

I think it's just deciding what shade of blue is wanted, you can still order either.

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Author Topic: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE: Vote for Kits & Quantities! (Read 1004058 times)