[IC] Trifecta, Prototype Pictures in Comments

[2Moons]

Discord: https://discord.gg/cM5xEte

Trifecta
Designed by Swiftrax, produced by 2Moons

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Prototypes Pictures:

Designed to be 100 percent open source from the get go. Trifecta is a unique play on an already iconic design. Need arrow keys? You got it. Want more options for volume control, play, pause, next track? It's on there. Want per key RGB lighting? Got you covered. In Polycarb or Aluminum, Trifecta will be a unique and fun keyboard for you to enjoy.

Specifications
Plate: Polycarb or Aluminum
PCB: Includes stepped capslock. Split Backspace. Per key RGB.
Weight: Brass Weight
Case Angle: 5 degrees
Mounting Style: Top Mount
Hot Swap: Yes
Soldered PCB Option: Yes
Foam: Yes, between the PCB and the bottom of the case

Unit Quantity: To be announced
Price: To be announced
Vendors: basekeys.com

Included Items:
PCB
Aluminum or Polycarb case
Brass or Aluminum plate

Current Status:

Encoders Spread out.
Hot Swap or Soldered Option.
Sides cut to easily pick up.
Knobs or Switches on the right, you choose.
Knobs to come in 2 or 3 colors.
Most popular interest check colors rendered.


Case vendor chosen

Group Buy Date: Undecided
Price: Undecided

E White

Samurai Blue

Red Red Wine

Midnight Black

Polycarb

About the Producer 2Moons:
I am a keyboard enthusiast living in Japan who also has a passion for split keyboards.

[mydens]

What are the encoders for?

[eniigma]

I love this, great work. Especially with that poly version 

[2Moons]

What are the encoders for?

They can be programmed in QMK for all sorts of various things such as mute/unmute, volume up/down, next track, etc. I'm hoping we find a good set of things to program them for.

[2Moons]

I love this, great work. Especially with that poly version 

I would like to run one or the other, I personally was thinking the Poly might be more fun.

[radsan]

Very nice. But is there a reason FN was moved to the right? I find that having it in between the space bars make it really easy to access the whole keyboard as a second layer since you're activating it with your thumbs.

[toastyAU]

them's quite a lot of rotary encoders

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[thecyangiant]

Good golly, three encoders? I have a hard time finding more than one use for my one encoder (volume). Ever tried using an encoder for scrolling? It's... Not good.
However, if you could figure out a way to work with encoder velocity that scales based on speed, then I'm interested - i.e. a slow rotation speed would scroll one line, medium speed 5 lines, fast speed 15. 
But still, multiple encoders are hard to find use for outside of flight sims or an etch-a-sketch.
I know other boards offer encoder and switch support, might be worth considering offering that flexibility.

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[2Moons]

Very nice. But is there a reason FN was moved to the right? I find that having it in between the space bars make it really easy to access the whole keyboard as a second layer since you're activating it with your thumbs.

Certainly you could program one of the space bar keys to be a function key if you wanted. On many of the Alice Keyboards, FN is to the right of the right shift but here it was moved to accommodate the arrow keys.

[jollyeskimo]

Love it, please keep the full bottom row.

Split backspace?

How about installing switches instead of encoders? Might cause problems with the top case though...

Top mount already finalized? Any dampening/etc?

[2Moons]

them's quite a lot of rotary encoders

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I think we should give the option to have flexibility as people suggested.

[2003987]

Just wow, this is a must have

[2003987]

I know a date haven't decided but just wish this can happen asap.
One question, is it gonna be made in Japan?  if yes I am willing to pay a fortune hahaha.

[moonux]

I love this, great work. Especially with that poly version 

I would like to run one or the other, I personally was thinking the Poly might be more fun.

This is very cool looking. I would love an e-white version of this myself...

[danieljgrouse]

Looks great! I'd love to see an option for FR4/PC/POM/some other type of plastic plate. Also split backspace support.

[nmur]

oh man, I used to play the heck out of 2moons back in the day

[2Moons]

Looks great! I'd love to see an option for FR4/PC/POM/some other type of plastic plate. Also split backspace support.

Split backspace support is very difficult when it comes LED's. As with the Slice keyboard, decisions were made about it early on. There are usually a few options but none turn out very well.

1. Allow split backspace but keep the LED in the center causing glare or glow between the keys.
2. Allow split backspace and don't allow backspace to have an LED at all.
3. Allow split backspace but bypass led so when backspace is split, no led will illuminate.

All these options are just really not good in my opinion. SK6812MINI-E leds used in this board are chain connected, so you can't leave one out. There is a way to split 1 led in the chain into 2, but the stabilizers are in the way. I've always tried to restrict the layout when LEDs are involved. With the slice, I feel that it was a good decision to have a really customizable one with no leds and a strict layout with leds.

Perhaps we could have 2 pcb options.

When it comes to case options, were fully making this open source from day 1 so feel free to modify and enjoy however you want. I think we could have an FR4 plate option but as far as case options, we want to leave it as polycarb or aluminum.

[2Moons]

oh man, I used to play the heck out of 2moons back in the day

No relation, but I am an old school MMO player that started with Vanilla Everquest....

[jollyeskimo]

Looks great! I'd love to see an option for FR4/PC/POM/some other type of plastic plate. Also split backspace support.

..... when LEDs are involved. With the slice, I feel that it was a good decision to have a really customizable one with no leds and a strict layout with leds.

Perhaps we could have 2 pcb options.

For what it's worth I have no desire for any LED's (underglow or per key)

[fooddoof]

Don't know what I'd use the extra 2 encoders for but I do love the shape of this!

[danieljgrouse]

Looks great! I'd love to see an option for FR4/PC/POM/some other type of plastic plate. Also split backspace support.

Split backspace support is very difficult when it comes LED's. As with the Slice keyboard, decisions were made about it early on. There are usually a few options but none turn out very well.

1. Allow split backspace but keep the LED in the center causing glare or glow between the keys.
2. Allow split backspace and don't allow backspace to have an LED at all.
3. Allow split backspace but bypass led so when backspace is split, no led will illuminate.

All these options are just really not good in my opinion. SK6812MINI-E leds used in this board are chain connected, so you can't leave one out. There is a way to split 1 led in the chain into 2, but the stabilizers are in the way. I've always tried to restrict the layout when LEDs are involved. With the slice, I feel that it was a good decision to have a really customizable one with no leds and a strict layout with leds.

Perhaps we could have 2 pcb options.

When it comes to case options, were fully making this open source from day 1 so feel free to modify and enjoy however you want. I think we could have an FR4 plate option but as far as case options, we want to leave it as polycarb or aluminum.

As much as I'd personally prefer split backspace over proper LED support, I think your reasoning is solid and I'm not sure having a second PCB basically just for that is worth it since that's probably quite a niche issue. Unless you go with something like a simple non backlit PCB with multiple layout option (maybe even ISO support?) and a proper backlit version with your intended fixed layout (and at that point maybe even consider hotswap sockets for that? I don't love them but there are plenty of people who appreciate not having to solder). But not even that might be worth the effort since the current PCB looks like it should cover most people just fine.

As for the material options, I was referring solely to the plate options, for the case offering both aluminium and polycarb is ideal.

[synthtastic]

Woah....

[2Moons]

Looks great! I'd love to see an option for FR4/PC/POM/some other type of plastic plate. Also split backspace support.

Split backspace support is very difficult when it comes LED's. As with the Slice keyboard, decisions were made about it early on. There are usually a few options but none turn out very well.

1. Allow split backspace but keep the LED in the center causing glare or glow between the keys.
2. Allow split backspace and don't allow backspace to have an LED at all.
3. Allow split backspace but bypass led so when backspace is split, no led will illuminate.

All these options are just really not good in my opinion. SK6812MINI-E leds used in this board are chain connected, so you can't leave one out. There is a way to split 1 led in the chain into 2, but the stabilizers are in the way. I've always tried to restrict the layout when LEDs are involved. With the slice, I feel that it was a good decision to have a really customizable one with no leds and a strict layout with leds.

Perhaps we could have 2 pcb options.

When it comes to case options, were fully making this open source from day 1 so feel free to modify and enjoy however you want. I think we could have an FR4 plate option but as far as case options, we want to leave it as polycarb or aluminum.

As much as I'd personally prefer split backspace over proper LED support, I think your reasoning is solid and I'm not sure having a second PCB basically just for that is worth it since that's probably quite a niche issue. Unless you go with something like a simple non backlit PCB with multiple layout option (maybe even ISO support?) and a proper backlit version with your intended fixed layout (and at that point maybe even consider hotswap sockets for that? I don't love them but there are plenty of people who appreciate not having to solder). But not even that might be worth the effort since the current PCB looks like it should cover most people just fine.

As for the material options, I was referring solely to the plate options, for the case offering both aluminium and polycarb is ideal.

Awesome, I think we could do hotswap easily and it might be fun. I will take all your plate options and send them to our manufacturer to ask if they're available. FR4 is totally doable easily. Let me look into it.

[robotictomato]

If the encoders could be swapped out for keyswitches I would be much more interested. Or at least the bottom two of the three.

[2Moons]

If the encoders could be swapped out for keyswitches I would be much more interested. Or at least the bottom two of the three.

I'll make sure all 3 can be swapped. Seems like the consensus.

[num]

It's been great to watch your case develop on r/mk and exciting to see it get this far. It's going to feel great when you get the first prototypes fully built.

Great to see this being 100% opensource!

[swiftrax]

Looks great! I'd love to see an option for FR4/PC/POM/some other type of plastic plate. Also split backspace support.

Split backspace support is very difficult when it comes LED's. As with the Slice keyboard, decisions were made about it early on. There are usually a few options but none turn out very well.

1. Allow split backspace but keep the LED in the center causing glare or glow between the keys.
2. Allow split backspace and don't allow backspace to have an LED at all.
3. Allow split backspace but bypass led so when backspace is split, no led will illuminate.

All these options are just really not good in my opinion. SK6812MINI-E leds used in this board are chain connected, so you can't leave one out. There is a way to split 1 led in the chain into 2, but the stabilizers are in the way. I've always tried to restrict the layout when LEDs are involved. With the slice, I feel that it was a good decision to have a really customizable one with no leds and a strict layout with leds.

Perhaps we could have 2 pcb options.

When it comes to case options, were fully making this open source from day 1 so feel free to modify and enjoy however you want. I think we could have an FR4 plate option but as far as case options, we want to leave it as polycarb or aluminum.

As much as I'd personally prefer split backspace over proper LED support, I think your reasoning is solid and I'm not sure having a second PCB basically just for that is worth it since that's probably quite a niche issue. Unless you go with something like a simple non backlit PCB with multiple layout option (maybe even ISO support?) and a proper backlit version with your intended fixed layout (and at that point maybe even consider hotswap sockets for that? I don't love them but there are plenty of people who appreciate not having to solder). But not even that might be worth the effort since the current PCB looks like it should cover most people just fine.

As for the material options, I was referring solely to the plate options, for the case offering both aluminium and polycarb is ideal.

I have thought about making a non RGB version just to have more layouts supported. I was thinking of adding ISO and split backspace. I will work on that. For hotswap that might be a little more difficult since its a top / burger mount case. The pcb would need support to hold it up when changing out the switches otherwise it would be a thing I would do.

[vsrnth]

Good golly, three encoders? I have a hard time finding more than one use for my one encoder (volume). Ever tried using an encoder for scrolling? It's... Not good.
However, if you could figure out a way to work with encoder velocity that scales based on speed, then I'm interested - i.e. a slow rotation speed would scroll one line, medium speed 5 lines, fast speed 15. 
But still, multiple encoders are hard to find use for outside of flight sims or an etch-a-sketch.
I know other boards offer encoder and switch support, might be worth considering offering that flexibility.

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Yea i too don't see a reason for 3 encoders.
One encoder seems enough.
Love the design, but 3 encoders makes it a no-go for me.

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[jedidood]

Good golly, three encoders? I have a hard time finding more than one use for my one encoder (volume). Ever tried using an encoder for scrolling? It's... Not good.
However, if you could figure out a way to work with encoder velocity that scales based on speed, then I'm interested - i.e. a slow rotation speed would scroll one line, medium speed 5 lines, fast speed 15. 
But still, multiple encoders are hard to find use for outside of flight sims or an etch-a-sketch.
I know other boards offer encoder and switch support, might be worth considering offering that flexibility.

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Yea i too don't see a reason for 3 encoders.
One encoder seems enough.
Love the design, but 3 encoders make it a no-go for me.

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I second this as well, three encoders seems very overkill and messes with the aesthetic as well.

[swiftrax]

Good golly, three encoders? I have a hard time finding more than one use for my one encoder (volume). Ever tried using an encoder for scrolling? It's... Not good.
However, if you could figure out a way to work with encoder velocity that scales based on speed, then I'm interested - i.e. a slow rotation speed would scroll one line, medium speed 5 lines, fast speed 15. 
But still, multiple encoders are hard to find use for outside of flight sims or an etch-a-sketch.
I know other boards offer encoder and switch support, might be worth considering offering that flexibility.

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Yea i too don't see a reason for 3 encoders.
One encoder seems enough.
Love the design, but 3 encoders make it a no-go for me.

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I second this as well, three encoders seems very overkill and messes with the aesthetic as well.

https://imgur.com/gallery/QamVrGO like this?

[danieljgrouse]

I will say I really like the aesthetic of the three rotary encoders. And I much prefer when cases are designed around the intention of using an encoder rather than letting you put one in a square hole intended for switches. But I guess I'm in the minority with that opinion. Though maybe some sort of a blocker insert for those using encoders to fill in the corners would be possible compromise?

[swiftrax]

The blocker would have to be significantly bigger than a normal switch cutout then because there would need to be a way to secure it down to the case

[yuki]

Honestly I don't care about the encoders one way or another, I think they differentiate the board from other alice clones and are 1 each to replace the 3 keys that would be there otherwise. Would I ever use them, no, do they have a purpose, yes. Whether it's only a meta reason or a functional one is up to you I guess.

More importantly I IMPLORE YOU to please for the love of god not just reuse the stupid alice plate for the nth time. Its never iterated upon or improved which is really sad considering its stiff as a rock and in general alices sound and feel very harsh. Iterating on the design in the aspect of sound and feel would do a lot more to make the board stand out than just having chamfers and having rotary encoders nobody can think of a normal use for.

Otherwise I appreciate the effort and the time. GLWIC.

[swiftrax]

I love this, great work. Especially with that poly version 

I would like to run one or the other, I personally was thinking the Poly might be more fun.

This is very cool looking. I would love an e-white version of this myself...

Like this?

[swiftrax]

Honestly I don't care about the encoders one way or another, I think they differentiate the board from other alice clones and are 1 each to replace the 3 keys that would be there otherwise. Would I ever use them, no, do they have a purpose, yes. Whether it's only a meta reason or a functional one is up to you I guess.

More importantly I IMPLORE YOU to please for the love of god not just reuse the stupid alice plate for the nth time. Its never iterated upon or improved which is really sad considering its stiff as a rock and in general alices sound and feel very harsh. Iterating on the design in the aspect of sound and feel would do a lot more to make the board stand out than just having chamfers and having rotary encoders nobody can think of a normal use for.

Otherwise I appreciate the effort and the time. GLWIC.

So like a half plate or something of that nature? Or what were you thinking would improve the feel and acoustics?

[switchnollie]

Spinny knobs on keyboards are just so cool

[thecyangiant]

Spinny knobs on keyboards are just so cool

I almost wonder if there is a way to integrate a fidget spinner/toy into the case.

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[Tyson]

First Slice now this! I'm loving it my dude, keep up the amazing work!

[cadrev]

Oooof this is nice, any ballpark figure on how much will this cost? It's a no brainer buy for me given that I'm based in Japan too!

[Retne]

As someone that works in Premiere, After Effects, and Resolve I can find all sorts of uses for those rotary encoders.  Definitely very interested in where this goes.

[strigif0rm3s]

I'm in!

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[2Moons]

First Slice now this! I'm loving it my dude, keep up the amazing work!

Thanks! Appreciate it.

Oooof this is nice, any ballpark figure on how much will this cost? It's a no brainer buy for me given that I'm based in Japan too!

It really depends on the number we plan to sell. I want to talk to the manufacturer about how choices between polycarb and aluminum and such might affect the overall price. For instance, out of 30 orders 10 are polycarb. Are those polycarbs then more expensive?

Great support everyone, pretty excited! 

Also Hot Swap and case mount type added.

[Jaltr]

I'm in

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[YMwoo]

Interested in this!
Personally I'm leaning toward keyswitches instead of encoder myself but still will see how it goes. 

Question: will it be possible to include foam in the kit?

[swiftrax]

Interested in this!
Personally I'm leaning toward keyswitches instead of encoder myself but still will see how it goes. 

Question: will it be possible to include foam in the kit?

I'm working on allowing it to be keyswitches and encoders so one has the choice for one or the either and we are moving the encoders so there is more space for fingers to turn them.

[gummybur]

Personally would get the option with 1 encoder at least. Also would suggest a cutout on the sides so it'd be easier to move around? also would give the side profile of the keyboard abit more character lovign it so far!

[swiftrax]

Personally would get the option with 1 encoder at least. Also would suggest a cutout on the sides so it'd be easier to move around? also would give the side profile of the keyboard abit more character lovign it so far!

I think I know what you mean by a cutout on the side. I will see what I can do

[gummybur]

i think another point I'm not to sure on myself is if the seam can be incorporated into the design of the side profile? You'd kinda be solving the "problem" of a noticeable seamline and make anodization matching less of a headache
Not to sure about this though please correct me if im wrong

[swiftrax]

i think another point I'm not to sure on myself is if the seam can be incorporated into the design of the side profile? You'd kinda be solving the "problem" of a noticeable seamline and make anodization matching less of a headache
Not to sure about this though please correct me if im wrong

Like marks for the two halves to align into each other like a puzzle?

[gummybur]

i think another point I'm not to sure on myself is if the seam can be incorporated into the design of the side profile? You'd kinda be solving the "problem" of a noticeable seamline and make anodization matching less of a headache
Not to sure about this though please correct me if im wrong

Like marks for the two halves to align into each other like a puzzle?

Yup something like that, should be complementary to the general aesthetics of the board so since the bezels are moderately sized and the corners are curved probly like 2 rounded edges of a jigsaw?

[ilemondrop]

I was just thinking that more than one encoder would be a cool idea, great to see it in action!

[YMwoo]

I'm working on allowing it to be keyswitches and encoders so one has the choice for one or the either and we are moving the encoders so there is more space for fingers to turn them.

awesome! it looks great so far!

just few other questions:

• Asked this previously, but just in case, is it possible to include foam?
• I know you wrote that GB and Price are still undecided but is there any estimation you able to share? just want to plan out but will understand if you still can't say anything just yet

[swiftrax]

I'm working on allowing it to be keyswitches and encoders so one has the choice for one or the either and we are moving the encoders so there is more space for fingers to turn them.

awesome! it looks great so far!

just few other questions:

• Asked this previously, but just in case, is it possible to include foam?
• I know you wrote that GB and Price are still undecided but is there any estimation you able to share? just want to plan out but will understand if you still can't say anything just yet

Foam between pcb and plate? or foam between the bottom of the pcb and the bottom of the case?

[yqliang]

Love it! will definitely get one if priced well!

[vsrnth]

Loving the design, an option for switches in place of the encoders is a welcome change.

You've mentioned in the OP that you plan on open sourcing this from the get go. I'm just curious how that will work?

You'll open source the case  and pcb once the gb is done? Or do you plan on doing that before the gb?

I'm joining the gb either way



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[swiftrax]

Loving the design, an option for switches in place of the encoders is a welcome change.

You've mentioned in the OP that you plan on open sourcing this from the get go. I'm just curious how that will work?

You'll open source the case  and pcb once the gb is done? Or do you plan on doing that before the gb?

I'm joining the gb either way



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Design is currently being revised based on community feedback. Things are being changed and old versions can be found on github

[YMwoo]

just few other questions:

• Asked this previously, but just in case, is it possible to include foam?
• I know you wrote that GB and Price are still undecided but is there any estimation you able to share? just want to plan out but will understand if you still can't say anything just yet

Foam between pcb and plate? or foam between the bottom of the pcb and the bottom of the case?

Ideally both, unless it really affects the cost too much ofc. Tbh, I'm not sure myself but I think foam between pcb and case should affect the acoustic more?

[2Moons]

just few other questions:

• Asked this previously, but just in case, is it possible to include foam?
• I know you wrote that GB and Price are still undecided but is there any estimation you able to share? just want to plan out but will understand if you still can't say anything just yet

Foam between pcb and plate? or foam between the bottom of the pcb and the bottom of the case?

Ideally both, unless it really affects the cost too much ofc. Tbh, I'm not sure myself but I think foam between pcb and case should affect the acoustic more?

That's a good question. As far as foam is concerned. Between the pcb and the bottom of the case will be an absolute must. Especially since this is top mount and hot swap. I'm going to include this foam with each Trifecta. Also, if you have suggestions on the type of foam, I would welcome any suggestions you might have.

[KRY2SOON]

Blu

[2003987]

I am digging the blue, it would be perfect if its one shade darker, probably samurai blue? Maybe a polished finish?

[2Moons]

Blu

I am digging the blue, it would be perfect if its one shade darker, probably samurai blue? Maybe a polished finish?

I'll take any pantone color suggestions you might have. 

[YMwoo]

just few other questions:

• Asked this previously, but just in case, is it possible to include foam?
• I know you wrote that GB and Price are still undecided but is there any estimation you able to share? just want to plan out but will understand if you still can't say anything just yet

Foam between pcb and plate? or foam between the bottom of the pcb and the bottom of the case?

Ideally both, unless it really affects the cost too much ofc. Tbh, I'm not sure myself but I think foam between pcb and case should affect the acoustic more?

That's a good question. As far as foam is concerned. Between the pcb and the bottom of the case will be an absolute must. Especially since this is top mount and hot swap. I'm going to include this foam with each Trifecta. Also, if you have suggestions on the type of foam, I would welcome any suggestions you might have.

Awesome! Thank you so much for that. Totally excited for this.
Unfortunately for the type of foam, I'm not too familiar with that either. Hopefully someone else can chip in with the suggestions.

[Agilr]

Looks great 2Moons! Can't wait to hear more updates on this

[2003987]

Blu

I am digging the blue, it would be perfect if its one shade darker, probably samurai blue? Maybe a polished finish?

I'll take any pantone color suggestions you might have. 

Not sure how others think, but personally I feel a little tired of the traditional (safe?) color offered by other Alice Layout?

Not saying I won't buy it even its traditional color but would love to see some other color variations, given your unconventional design. 

Just some random thoughts:

1. Prussian blue/ Samurai blue?



2. A bit unconventional, but maybe Vine Grape?



3. What about this tree peony?



4. What about Japanese red plum blossom?

[Evo_Spec]

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The new design looks great!
Much prefer this over the 3 encoders.

I'm curious how others feel but regarding the per-key lighting, I think even when splitting backspace, it's easy to solve the light bleed issue by putting tape or something over the middle LED. I know some might think of it as a low quality fix but it's easy and doesn't affect production methods so just one PCB can be made.

[Jaltr]

Blu

I am digging the blue, it would be perfect if its one shade darker, probably samurai blue? Maybe a polished finish?

I'll take any pantone color suggestions you might have. 

Not sure how others think, but personally I feel a little tired of the traditional (safe?) color offered by other Alice Layout?

Not saying I won't buy it even its traditional color but would love to see some other color variations, given your unconventional design. 

Just some random thoughts:

1. Prussian blue/ Samurai blue?

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2. A bit unconventional, but maybe Vine Grape?

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3. What about this tree peony?

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4. What about Japanese red plum blossom?

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I +1 the cherry blossom color! There's another Alice layout board with e-wine color (certainly not the same, but already "taken" so to speak)

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[2Moons]

Blu

I am digging the blue, it would be perfect if its one shade darker, probably samurai blue? Maybe a polished finish?

I'll take any pantone color suggestions you might have. 

Not sure how others think, but personally I feel a little tired of the traditional (safe?) color offered by other Alice Layout?

Not saying I won't buy it even its traditional color but would love to see some other color variations, given your unconventional design. 

Just some random thoughts:

1. Prussian blue/ Samurai blue?

Show Image

2. A bit unconventional, but maybe Vine Grape?

Show Image

3. What about this tree peony?

Show Image

4. What about Japanese red plum blossom?

Show Image

Blu

I am digging the blue, it would be perfect if its one shade darker, probably samurai blue? Maybe a polished finish?

I'll take any pantone color suggestions you might have. 

Not sure how others think, but personally I feel a little tired of the traditional (safe?) color offered by other Alice Layout?

Not saying I won't buy it even its traditional color but would love to see some other color variations, given your unconventional design. 

Just some random thoughts:

1. Prussian blue/ Samurai blue?

Show Image

2. A bit unconventional, but maybe Vine Grape?

Show Image

3. What about this tree peony?

Show Image

4. What about Japanese red plum blossom?

Show Image

I +1 the cherry blossom color! There's another Alice layout board with e-wine color (certainly not the same, but already "taken" so to speak)

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I'm loving this blue. I think pinks and purples are out though, unless many people ask for them. I would to stick with red, blue, black, E white, and Poly. It's really to keep the cost down more than anything.

[ACF101015]

Any chance of a soldered PCB?

[Jaltr]

Blu

I am digging the blue, it would be perfect if its one shade darker, probably samurai blue? Maybe a polished finish?

I'll take any pantone color suggestions you might have. 

Not sure how others think, but personally I feel a little tired of the traditional (safe?) color offered by other Alice Layout?

Not saying I won't buy it even its traditional color but would love to see some other color variations, given your unconventional design. 

Just some random thoughts:

1. Prussian blue/ Samurai blue?

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2. A bit unconventional, but maybe Vine Grape?

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3. What about this tree peony?

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4. What about Japanese red plum blossom?

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Blu

I am digging the blue, it would be perfect if its one shade darker, probably samurai blue? Maybe a polished finish?

I'll take any pantone color suggestions you might have. 

Not sure how others think, but personally I feel a little tired of the traditional (safe?) color offered by other Alice Layout?

Not saying I won't buy it even its traditional color but would love to see some other color variations, given your unconventional design. 

Just some random thoughts:

1. Prussian blue/ Samurai blue?

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2. A bit unconventional, but maybe Vine Grape?

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3. What about this tree peony?

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4. What about Japanese red plum blossom?

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I +1 the cherry blossom color! There's another Alice layout board with e-wine color (certainly not the same, but already "taken" so to speak)

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I'm loving this blue. I think pinks and purples are out though, unless many people ask for them. I would to stick with red, blue, black, E white, and Poly. It's really to keep the cost down more than anything.

Maybe you should do a poll with the colors above?

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[swiftrax]

Blu

I am digging the blue, it would be perfect if its one shade darker, probably samurai blue? Maybe a polished finish?

I'll take any pantone color suggestions you might have. 

Not sure how others think, but personally I feel a little tired of the traditional (safe?) color offered by other Alice Layout?

Not saying I won't buy it even its traditional color but would love to see some other color variations, given your unconventional design. 

Just some random thoughts:

1. Prussian blue/ Samurai blue?

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2. A bit unconventional, but maybe Vine Grape?

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3. What about this tree peony?

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4. What about Japanese red plum blossom?

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Same order as above rendered onto the case as best I could

[TopreMoon]

This is really cool! Unfortunately, I'm too vested into the HHKB layout / split backspace.

[airyimbin]

I love the design. In terms of the layout, I think traditionally the split spacebar has the right side with a longer key and the left a shorter one.

Also I would prefer having an FN key to the right of the left side spacebar. This would be possible if the split spacebar setup was flipped like I mentioned above.

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[swiftrax]

This is really cool! Unfortunately, I'm too vested into the HHKB layout / split backspace.

There is split backspace so you can have that little one

[Luciqueii]

Wow interesting concept, good luck bro.

[logo4poop]

rgb bad, love u swiftrax

[2Moons]

• Encoders Spread out.
• Hot Swap or Soldered Option.
• Sides cut to easily pick up.
• Knobs or Switches on the right, you choose.
• Knobs to come in 3 colors.
• Most popular interest check colors rendered.

[Jaltr]

• Encoders Spread out.
• Hot Swap or Soldered Option.
• Sides cut to easily pick up.
• Knobs or Switches on the right, you choose.
• Knobs to come in 3 colors.
• Most popular interest check colors rendered.

Awesome to see the options! Will there be knobs as an extra option to purchase separately? And will the knobs be special in any way (engraving, materials, or even a collab)?

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[2Moons]

• Encoders Spread out.
• Hot Swap or Soldered Option.
• Sides cut to easily pick up.
• Knobs or Switches on the right, you choose.
• Knobs to come in 3 colors.
• Most popular interest check colors rendered.

Awesome to see the options! Will there be knobs as an extra option to purchase separately? And will the knobs be special in any way (engraving, materials, or even a collab)?

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There will be 3 different colors to choose from. You'll get 3 knobs of your color choice and it's up to you if you want to use them. That way you could always solder them on later instead of switches if you like. The encoder switches will not be hot swap.

I would like to Rama collab for special encoders, I will contact them.

[Jaltr]

• Encoders Spread out.
• Hot Swap or Soldered Option.
• Sides cut to easily pick up.
• Knobs or Switches on the right, you choose.
• Knobs to come in 3 colors.
• Most popular interest check colors rendered.

Awesome to see the options! Will there be knobs as an extra option to purchase separately? And will the knobs be special in any way (engraving, materials, or even a collab)?

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There will be 3 different colors to choose from. You'll get 3 knobs of your color choice and it's up to you if you want to use them. That way you could always solder them on later instead of switches if you like. The encoder switches will not be hot swap.

I would like to Rama collab for special encoders, I will contact them.

Oh gotcha, maybe I'll get all 3, just for keepsakes.

Rama collab would be fire

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[Jaltr]

Hey 2Moons, do you have an idea of a vendor?

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[xef]

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[swiftrax]

Hey 2Moons, do you have an idea of a vendor?

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Vendor is BaseKeys which would be him

[YMwoo]

forgot to ask this previously but any plan for VIA support?

[FinalEleven]

That dark purple just tugged at my heart...I would be all in for that.

[2Moons]

forgot to ask this previously but any plan for VIA support?

I would love to do VIA support. I will try my best to make it happen.

That dark purple just tugged at my heart...I would be all in for that.

I would love to do Purple, Pink, and some other colors but I feel that for the first round, we should keep it simple. Although I'll be able to do one-off pantone colors for anyone who wants one eventually. The other nice thing about this project is that you can always take the files to a company to have it made for you because the files are open source. I think that's a great thing.

[gummybur]

• Encoders Spread out.
• Hot Swap or Soldered Option.
• Sides cut to easily pick up.
• Knobs or Switches on the right, you choose.
• Knobs to come in 3 colors.
• Most popular interest check colors rendered.

New renders looking great! Just another suggestion from myself, the chin on the front of the board feels slightly out of place because of the relative sharpness compared to the rounded aesthetic the corners, encoder and side cutouts. Maybe you could try :
1. rounding out the chin at these 3 points to match how the rest of the board looks (the quasi alice by qlavier is an example)
2. Making the corners and side cutouts sharper and less rounded to match the chin, thereby making the encoders stand out more!

Sorry if I seem overbearing haha just really excited for this board!

[BruceDinh]

wowwwwwww

[swiftrax]

• Encoders Spread out.
• Hot Swap or Soldered Option.
• Sides cut to easily pick up.
• Knobs or Switches on the right, you choose.
• Knobs to come in 3 colors.
• Most popular interest check colors rendered.

New renders looking great! Just another suggestion from myself, the chin on the front of the board feels slightly out of place because of the relative sharpness compared to the rounded aesthetic the corners, encoder and side cutouts. Maybe you could try :
1. rounding out the chin at these 3 points to match how the rest of the board looks (the quasi alice by qlavier is an example)
2. Making the corners and side cutouts sharper and less rounded to match the chin, thereby making the encoders stand out more!

Sorry if I seem overbearing haha just really excited for this board!

Those 3 points are rounded but less aggressively

[chakkii]

only per key rgb or also underglow for the polycarb case?

[swiftrax]

only per key rgb or also underglow for the polycarb case?

As of right now per key rgb without underglow

[jollyeskimo]

USB-C?

[swiftrax]

USB-C?

Yes

[YMwoo]

forgot to ask this previously but any plan for VIA support?

I would love to do VIA support. I will try my best to make it happen.

That dark purple just tugged at my heart...I would be all in for that.

I would love to do Purple, Pink, and some other colors but I feel that for the first round, we should keep it simple. Although I'll be able to do one-off pantone colors for anyone who wants one eventually. The other nice thing about this project is that you can always take the files to a company to have it made for you because the files are open source. I think that's a great thing.

Nice, this looking better and better each day.

You mentioned "for the first round", does that mean you are planning to have this as several round or even in-stock kind of thing?

[2Moons]

forgot to ask this previously but any plan for VIA support?

I would love to do VIA support. I will try my best to make it happen.

That dark purple just tugged at my heart...I would be all in for that.

I would love to do Purple, Pink, and some other colors but I feel that for the first round, we should keep it simple. Although I'll be able to do one-off pantone colors for anyone who wants one eventually. The other nice thing about this project is that you can always take the files to a company to have it made for you because the files are open source. I think that's a great thing.

Nice, this looking better and better each day.

You mentioned "for the first round", does that mean you are planning to have this as several round or even in-stock kind of thing?

Yep, I definitely think multiple rounds would be a great idea. First with regular colors, then with different pantones. Also after the group buy, my goal is to do custom orders for anyone who wants a custom pantone color.

[sangeth]

Really pumped to see this happen.  Huge fan of the Gothic70 and would love a high end with the same layout.

[mathewC]

Probably has been asked already but what price range are we looking at?


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[sumbody]

Is there room for a design modification?
I feel the symmetry is quite off with the current layout, partially due to right side mod blockers being thinner.

The Arisu seems to have a better balance with the thicker right blocker.
https://github.com/FateNozomi/arisu-case

Maybe a top down render with keycaps so we can judge better?

Keep up the good work and can't wait to see this enter GB.

EDIT: After looking at it more, maybe its the chin? The chin is relatively smaller compared to even the traditional TGR Alice. The angled corner usually starts from the left/right blocker rather than the current design. Someone above pointed this flaw with the circled parts for reference

New renders looking great! Just another suggestion from myself, the chin on the front of the board feels slightly out of place because of the relative sharpness compared to the rounded aesthetic the corners, encoder and side cutouts. Maybe you could try :
1. rounding out the chin at these 3 points to match how the rest of the board looks (the quasi alice by qlavier is an example)
2. Making the corners and side cutouts sharper and less rounded to match the chin, thereby making the encoders stand out more!

Sorry if I seem overbearing haha just really excited for this board!

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[SMOKEY]

Love it! I'm in for a PC variant, if priced "ok-ish"

[swiftrax]

Is there room for a design modification?
I feel the symmetry is quite off with the current layout, partially due to right side mod blockers being thinner.

The Arisu seems to have a better balance with the thicker right blocker.
https://github.com/FateNozomi/arisu-case

Maybe a top down render with keycaps so we can judge better?

Keep up the good work and can't wait to see this enter GB.

EDIT: After looking at it more, maybe its the chin? The chin is relatively smaller compared to even the traditional TGR Alice. The angled corner usually starts from the left/right blocker rather than the current design. Someone above pointed this flaw with the circled parts for reference

New renders looking great! Just another suggestion from myself, the chin on the front of the board feels slightly out of place because of the relative sharpness compared to the rounded aesthetic the corners, encoder and side cutouts. Maybe you could try :
1. rounding out the chin at these 3 points to match how the rest of the board looks (the quasi alice by qlavier is an example)
2. Making the corners and side cutouts sharper and less rounded to match the chin, thereby making the encoders stand out more!

Sorry if I seem overbearing haha just really excited for this board!

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I didn't try to make it symmetric

[bukowski]

Is the plan for the knobs to be made by RAMA as well?

[vurtomatic]

Perfect. How tall are the knobs?

[BuddhaBen]

Poly alice with arrow keys and possible rotary encoders? Done, I am in.

[2Moons]

Is the plan for the knobs to be made by RAMA as well?

No plans yet, but we can ask them.

Perfect. How tall are the knobs?

It depends. The knobs here were based off of Splitkb's design.
:

Poly alice with arrow keys and possible rotary encoders? Done, I am in.

Thanks for your support.

Also a discord was started. https://discord.gg/cM5xEte

[chakkii]

only per key rgb or also underglow for the polycarb case?

As of right now per key rgb without underglow

it would be so nice if you guys would manage to get underglow as well im looking for an "alice" style keyboard with arrow keys for so long now. that would be just perfect was close getting on the rukia polycarb GB but no arrow keys hold me back, glad i did, but the underglow looked amazing on that board

[YMwoo]

Also a discord was started. https://discord.gg/cM5xEte

Joined the discord!

What would be the layout options? Esp curious about the sizes of the bottom row

[Baionlenja]

How much space is there between the pcb and the plate?

[swiftrax]

How much space is there between the pcb and the plate?

As per cherry spec the distance from the top of the plate to the top of the pcb is about 5mm

[OJtheTiny]

I'm down, hope this comes soon

[AspiringMechKeebFan]

Any updates on what timeline we're looking?

[2Moons]

Any updates on what timeline we're looking?

We're looking at potential vendors and prototype funding. Currently I'm finishing the Slice GB and then I will begin again on this project.

[AspiringMechKeebFan]

We're looking at potential vendors and prototype funding. Currently I'm finishing the Slice GB and then I will begin again on this project.

Sounds good, thanks!

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[yqliang]

Any ballpark numbers for price?

[2Moons]

Any ballpark numbers for price?

Not yet

Kat Hyperfuse Renders are here!

KAT Hyperfuse Group Buy starts June 29th
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105660.0

[alphabirth]

Oof!  :chef_kiss:

[hiddensong]

What are the encoders for?

     What are those letters and numbers on those square shaped things for? rofl....I had to. apologies if I offended, just a jokey-joke. On to the real....
     Knobs just beg to be touched and turned. Someone needs to design a rotary that has the same low weight pressure needed to engage the push button mechanic as a normal tactile/linear switch does so that we can have a keyswitch that does both....allow for easy typing AND acts as a knob. Hell, lets add RGB while we're at it. Oh why not, lets make the tip an OLED screen that can be customized to any image! Now we're cooking with week old pork fat....

     A hex shaped rotary switch that mimics exactly the push characteristics of a linear or tactile switch (or a linear/tactile switch that mimics exactly a rotary encoder's functions) along with addressable RGB strip/ring at bottom edge and an OLED screen on the switch face that is image/color addressable.

     If only I were a billionaire and could play with R&D....if only for most of us!!

[maximize]

• Encoders Spread out.
• Hot Swap or Soldered Option.
• Sides cut to easily pick up.
• Knobs or Switches on the right, you choose.
• Knobs to come in 3 colors.
• Most popular interest check colors rendered.

New renders looking great! Just another suggestion from myself, the chin on the front of the board feels slightly out of place because of the relative sharpness compared to the rounded aesthetic the corners, encoder and side cutouts. Maybe you could try :
1. rounding out the chin at these 3 points to match how the rest of the board looks (the quasi alice by qlavier is an example)
2. Making the corners and side cutouts sharper and less rounded to match the chin, thereby making the encoders stand out more!

Sorry if I seem overbearing haha just really excited for this board!

Those 3 points are rounded but less aggressively

Is there any chance those corners might be rounded more aggressively? I realize it's pretty far into IC, but I agree with gummybur on this; the design language is not super consistent as-is. It's still a very, very nice board! And I like the option to have so many encoders. That's what makes this unique.

[2Moons]

• Encoders Spread out.
• Hot Swap or Soldered Option.
• Sides cut to easily pick up.
• Knobs or Switches on the right, you choose.
• Knobs to come in 3 colors.
• Most popular interest check colors rendered.

New renders looking great! Just another suggestion from myself, the chin on the front of the board feels slightly out of place because of the relative sharpness compared to the rounded aesthetic the corners, encoder and side cutouts. Maybe you could try :
1. rounding out the chin at these 3 points to match how the rest of the board looks (the quasi alice by qlavier is an example)
2. Making the corners and side cutouts sharper and less rounded to match the chin, thereby making the encoders stand out more!

Sorry if I seem overbearing haha just really excited for this board!

Those 3 points are rounded but less aggressively

Is there any chance those corners might be rounded more aggressively? I realize it's pretty far into IC, but I agree with gummybur on this; the design language is not super consistent as-is. It's still a very, very nice board! And I like the option to have so many encoders. That's what makes this unique.

Thanks. I haven't updated in awhile but prototypes will be coming soon. I respected Swiftrax initial design with a slightly more blocky look. Let's see how the prototypes turn out. Personally I really like this as it differentiates itself between other similar keyboards. As soon as I have the cases in hand, I'll post some pics then. Cheers.

[tonyz723]

Filled out the IC form, honestly really excited for this keyboard.
 
The triple encoder setup makes it really stand out from a lot of the designs I've looked at. From a practicality standpoint maybe a bit excessive, but if I can get them to work with Lightroom I certainly wouldn't complain.

Really looking forward to whatever this project turns into, the back and forth on feedback is cool to watch happen.

I haven't personally owned an Alice style keyboard before, what special caps are needed compared to what you'd get in like a base GMK set? Right off the bat I see short spacebars for sure

[2Moons]

Filled out the IC form, honestly really excited for this keyboard.
 
The triple encoder setup makes it really stand out from a lot of the designs I've looked at. From a practicality standpoint maybe a bit excessive, but if I can get them to work with Lightroom I certainly wouldn't complain.

Really looking forward to whatever this project turns into, the back and forth on feedback is cool to watch happen.

I haven't personally owned an Alice style keyboard before, what special caps are needed compared to what you'd get in like a base GMK set? Right off the bat I see short spacebars for sure

Thanks, I really appreciate the comment. Yep, spacebars kit, usually that's where the second b ends up as well. I'm currently adding underglow to the pcb so the polycarb version should be fun. I've always taken feedback from Geekhack especially. Closely listening to the people who will end up owning the keyboard is so important. After all, if you make recommendations, then buy the board, part of you ends up in the final result. Then in some small way you were the designer too. Even if an idea was rejected, it was at least thought about and I think that's really important as well. As soon as prototypes come in, I'll be making a big update. Meanwhile, enjoy this picture. 

[AspiringMechKeebFan]

Any updates on when prototypes come?

[2Moons]

Any updates on when prototypes come?

The prototypes have been made and went in for anodizing. I'm waiting for a message from the manufacturer for an update. The pcb is done and will be VIA compatible with VIA RGB control.

[AspiringMechKeebFan]

Any updates on when prototypes come?

The prototypes have been made and went in for anodizing. I'm waiting for a message from the manufacturer for an update. The pcb is done and will be VIA compatible with VIA RGB control.

Glad to hear it! Looking forward to it.

[2Moons]

Any updates on when prototypes come?

The prototypes have been made and went in for anodizing. I'm waiting for a message from the manufacturer for an update. The pcb is done and will be VIA compatible with VIA RGB control.

Glad to hear it! Looking forward to it.

Here you are:

These pictures came today and I couldn't be happier with the results.

[AspiringMechKeebFan]

Noice! I like the looks of darkish PC case. Waiting for the GB!

[tonyz723]

What's the next step for these? Any timeline yet?

[2Moons]

What's the next step for these? Any timeline yet?

• One prototype has already been built but is waiting for encoder parts. The rest of the prototypes are to follow.
• We're sending the prototypes out to streamers this week.
• Finalizing price and date
• Start Group Buy

Here is a picture of a built prototype without encoders.

[2Moons]

Trifecta Stream Build.
Tuesday 20/10 20:00 CEST
https://www.twitch.tv/p0esjuh

[AspiringMechKeebFan]

Have you finalized list of available colors?

[2Moons]

Have you finalized list of available colors?

Yes. Black, White, Blue, Red, Polycarb, Smoke Polycarb, Combinations.

You can have an aluminum top with a polycarb bottom, for example. We're working out final design details. I'd like to see the weight smaller and more centered as to not interfere with the underglow, for example.

[RedBananaBread]

The prototypes look so good! When you say combinations, does this mean we can mix and match an alu top with a polycarb bottom?

[AspiringMechKeebFan]

When you say combinations, does this mean we can mix and match an alu top with a polycarb bottom?

You can have an aluminum top with a polycarb bottom, for example.

[Poesjuh]

Like this

(Neither board is build btw, that I’ll do on Tuesday. This is me trying switches to know what sounds the best to me )


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[Poesjuh]

Build stream can be found here;

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/776359750


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[RedBananaBread]

Oh God. They look sooooo good

[AspiringMechKeebFan]

Any news on this?

[2Moons]

Any news on this?

I was unsatisfied with the original prototype. Mainly the 10 degree layout and the space between some keys. The weight was also overly large, so it was made smaller so that the underglow will show through the polycarb all the way around. New prototypes were ordered from the main vendor and I'm waiting on them to be done from the manufacturer. As soon as they're done I'll do a polycarb build stream. I'm also probably going to do an STM32 pcb build for this as it can benefit from having more memory and a better MCU if you ever want to turn on RGB Matrix for amazing effects in QMK. Even if there is no finished STM32, once the prototypes are built and I'm satisfied with this prototype round, it will go straight to GB. Cheers.

[Xury46]

Wow that blue prototype is really stunning. The three knob design is neat, but wouldn't it be hard to use them with them all so close together?

[UGunaLOSE]

Oh my knob.. So cool, looking forward to more updates.

[Jefff]

Those engravings have some awfully sharp internal corners which aren't machinable. You should probably change those to filets.