[IC] TYPE BOX 101800

[just.hymn]

Type Box
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TBX - 101800
 
 

INTRODUCTION

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Hi everyone, please to meet all of you in this lovely community. I’m Hymn, a designer and render artist for keyboards.
This is my first project that I’ve started as a concept design back in DEC 2021 and to my surprise, it blew up on reddit and facebook.
And so here we are, making the Type Box into reality and I hope you all could join this journey as well.
I wouldn’t have made it without the support from you guys.
 

- Hymn - 
 
 
 
 
 

CONCEPT & DESIGN

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Type Box is an accumulation of retro techs and gadgets back from 70s to the 90s.
From keyboards to industrial machinery, and from game stations to command centers.
Heavily inspired with little bits of every tech and gadgets I could find and remember.
 
 
 
 
 

Focus

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The main design and the focus is towards creativity workflow.
Where artists/users can fully utilize the whole layout of the keyboard.
Such as tool palettes to custom key remap for VFX artists or 3D artists.
And to fully provide the full package with both function and design.
 
 

FEATURES

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5 degrees typing angle

40 degrees tilted F row

2 rotary encoder on both sides

3 LED lights indicator on left

Top mount

WK & WKL layout

Alu & PC plate

Both hotswap and solder PCB

10 left macro keys + 1800 layout

Aluminum top & bottom casing for now

[ will consider other materials if there’s demand. ]

QMK/VIA compatible

 
 
 

RENDERS
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RENDERS [ROUND 2]

Soon

COLORS
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COLORS [ROUND 2]
Soon

LAYOUTS
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PROGRESSION
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Design phase 1 - done
Design phase 2 - done
Design phase 3 - done
Design phase 4 - done
 




IC link [Current]
https://forms.gle/BMbHUpxSs7mzQRjq7
 
 
 
 
 
VENDORS
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TBD
 
PRICE
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TBD
 
 
 
 
 
To-do-list
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Find Vendor & more renders
Get a prototype
Review protos and photos
Group Buy dates
Pricing
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
FQA
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WILL THERE BE SOUTHPAW NUMPAD?
No, during phase 2 a lot of people voted for the left macro rather than numpad. Maybe future projects

MORE COLOR OPTIONS?
I am taking very close attention and notes from the IC and my Discord group. Will add a few more down the road.

PCBs
Hotswap and Solder PCBs will be offered. I will update the layout configuration once I have the finalized file.
And yes it's 2 separated PCB for F-row and the base.

SPLIT BACKSPACE?
Yes, it has been added

BLACK OR WHITE/MORE NEUTRAL COLORS?
We have now 7 colors options after receiving feedbacks from the IC
Black, off-white, vintage blue, and powder coat (grey).
Purple and silver has been removed as it looks out of touch with the design
Biege, mint and green is still here.

NO NUMPAD OPTION?
Unfortunately no, TypeBox is designed fully for work use hence numpad is a main feature.
But, do look forward of my future board designs.

 
 
 
 
Join my discord for more insights
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https://discord.gg/TqCvUDCHNc
 
And my instagram
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https://www.instagram.com/its.hymn/?hl=en
 
 
 
 
 
Special thanks to :
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Baz (Mighty Setup)#7009
Talisman | I <3 Ur Mom#1748
Members of the Keyboard Community Creatives
Members of the Keyboard Atelier
And to you guys who supported me from Phase 1

[Damage]

Nifty. What a fun design!

[darthcapn]

I like how it looks! A beautiful vintage board!

[the flying penguin]

this is hot

[just.hymn]

Reserved

[25th June, 2022]
Gotten ETA from my CAD and PCB designers, it'll take roughly 2 weeks for the finished working model
Then will send the files to the manufacturer and expect some adjustments for production. (ETA Unknown)
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[2th July,2022]
Model is finish (Silver and Purple is removed)
New colors are added
Sending to manufacturer for review. And more renders on the new model
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[22th July, 2022]
Still waiting for the manu to give me a quote, they are busy with their workload.
Waiting game now.
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[28th July, 2022]
The board is all good to go but we're discussing with the manu on how to optimize the structure of the board to lower the cost if possible.
I will reveal the price once we are ready.
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[31st August, 2022]
Yo! Sorry for the lack of updates for a month, I've been busy with the manus trying to opt down the cost. Right we are sitting around $700 with
all aluminum as base. No matter how we do, we can't opt anything much due to the sheer size of the aluminum block that need to use and mill. The only
solution now is to re-design instead of optimizing. I will try not to change much of the main design features and hopefully it could reduce the cost by doing so.
Again sorry for not much of updates and hope you guys are still interested on the Type Box.
Thanks.
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[13th October, 2022]
New designs are done, mainly just redesign of the bottom case so top is pretty much the same. Layouts have been updated as well.
I will post once I have more updates and confirmation on my end.
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[12th December, 2022]
Ho ho ho, it's Hymn here dropping some rough updates as we're closing 2022.
First off, Target GB is at 2023 Q2, not sure when specifically, but that's the goal.
Secondly, models are being optimized and preparing to wrapping it up before sending to manu.
Third, some announcements has to be delay but hopefully I can share to you guys next month!

That's all from me today, hope you guys have a blessed holidays ahead.
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[17th April, 2023]
Hello hello~ Apologies that I've been quiet for some time on here, so I'll cut to the chase and proceed with the updates.
1) Fine tuning the model and adjusted for manufacturing
2) Arrow keys are gone
3) F13 replaced with screen.
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[25th April, 2023]
Hey thereeee, so I got some news will keep it short in the future.
Starting this month We have to re-designed Typebox as the quote from factory and it's way over our budget.
Do expect some time as we want to create the best version of it.
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[21st May, 2023]
Our first re-design model has send to our factory. Fingers cross it'll pass
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[2nd June, 2023]
Red light, gaskets implementations is wrong, DB fitment is off, and weight is too thin. Will need to redo.
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[6th June, 2023]
Resubmission the model once again with items above tweaked.
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[16th June, 2023]
Red light, DB fitment on the weight needs re-adjust and PCB encountering placement error.
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[23rd July, 2023]
Resubmission the model once again with items above tweaked. Added some couple of items onto the design.
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[11th August, 2023]
Red light, tons of issues pop up after we implement the new items. Will need some time to fix and brainstorm.
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[21th November, 2023]
Re-design the weight and fixed all of the previous issues.
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[11th December, 2023]
Missed out a couple of items to fix and final decision to increase the overall thickness of the bottom to accommodate the new changes.
Resubmission to factory again.
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[16th December, 2023]
Red light, our careless mistake and adjusted the wrong item.
Resubmission again.
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[11th January, 2024]
So far the engineers hasn't said anything so fingers cross there's no problem with the model.
If all goes well, mid of March we'll get our first ever proto. Finally

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[27th February, 2024]
Proto has been ordered and 3 weeks from now to be done. Super excited! PCB is yet to finalized.
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Will keep you guys posted

[BRSxIgnition]

Big and full-featured but still clean and minimal - I like it.

Only thing I'd ask for are E-White and Navy color options.

[just.hymn]

Nifty. What a fun design!

Yeah it was fun and challenging as well xD.

[just.hymn]

I like how it looks! A beautiful vintage board!

Thank you thank you

[just.hymn]

Big and full-featured but still clean and minimal - I like it.

Only think I'd ask for are E-White and Navy color options.

Will put into consideration along with Black, grey and navy blue. Thanks for the feedback!

[nickthaskater]

Hello to my new work board. Wow.

[DirtyGingy]

Your IC form is asking me to submit an email. I'll be passing on the form.

That aside, the board is interesting and I'll be keeping an eye on it.

[jdenyc]

split backspace?

[just.hymn]

Your IC form is asking me to submit an email. I'll be passing on the form.

That aside, the board is interesting and I'll be keeping an eye on it.

Thank you for the interest! I will keep the updates here and on my social media as well!

[just.hymn]

split backspace?

Noted and will be added

[Surefoot]

Brass & CF plate options ?

[TheNeonKnight]

Very cool design, as for input you may want to add true ISO left shift (you did reverse ISO left shift, like on WYSE50/60 boards) . Also if you could make the split space fit into the WKL layout that would be awesome.

[BRSxIgnition]

Please consider making the indicators RGB and/or dimmable.

But yeah, interested.

[just.hymn]

Brass & CF plate options ?

Will take into consideration. Thanks for the feedback and interest!

[just.hymn]

Very cool design, as for input you may want to add true ISO left shift (you did reverse ISO left shift, like on WYSE50/60 boards) . Also if you could make the split space fit into the WKL layout that would be awesome.

Aight will try and see how it goes for the true ISO. Split space bar with WKL will be added

[LumiP]

This is so fun. Love the retro design. GLWIC

[Rob27shred]

Pharmaceutical grade reto vibes here, I'm loving it!

[DirtyGingy]

I do wish the board supported another key to the right of the space bad

[Extra Fox]

Eager to watch the progress here.

[aerospice]

Really love that retro fridge blue color! If I had GMK Finer Things on me, I would honestly put it on THAT board

[BRSxIgnition]

I do wish the board supported another key to the right of the space bad

Agreed.

[just.hymn]

Brass & CF plate options ?

[just.hymn]

This is so fun. Love the retro design. GLWIC

Thank you thank you

[just.hymn]

I do wish the board supported another key to the right of the space bad

will work around the layouts and I will see what I can come up with. Thanks for your feedback!

[EdgeOfInfinity]

really fun design, angled f-row is sexy! i also really like the beige two-toned board - would that be ano or some sort of coating. the pic looks textured

[just.hymn]

really fun design, angled f-row is sexy! i also really like the beige two-toned board - would that be ano or some sort of coating. the pic looks textured

it will be either E-coat or powder coat, will update along the road

[ebastler]

Pretty one, I'm keeping a close eye on the project!

[just.hymn]

Pretty one, I'm keeping a close eye on the project!

Thank you thank you! I do keep updates frequently and progress on my discord if you're interested. And thank you for the interest!

[BRSxIgnition]

Two more changes I'd like to see personally would be the USB C centered and lowered to the bottom of the back of the keyboard under the raised section. Where it is now looks very high.

That, and gasket or other softer mounting option, assuming there's no flex cuts to otherwise soften the experience.

[just.hymn]

Two more changes I'd like to see personally would be the USB C centered and lowered to the bottom of the back of the keyboard under the raised section. Where it is now looks very high.

That, and gasket or other softer mounting option, assuming there's no flex cuts to otherwise soften the experience.

Yeap, it has been updated and for mounting option, I'm improving the plate. Will keep you updated. Thanks for the feedback!

[syberghost]

This is gorgeous. I really want to put DMK Astronaut on this.

[ItIsWritten]

Finally something other than the same thing again with a different brass weight. I will certainly want one if this goes through.

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[7empest]

Wow this is really cool!

[CaesarAZealad]

God that's ****ing beautiful, but I can't shake this bad feeling in my stomach. Still, I'm all for it.

[butre]

oh I would do some very legally questionable things to get my hands on this

[just.hymn]

oh I would do some very legally questionable things to get my hands on this

*sweats nervously*

[icey_keebss]

i love the retro vibe of this board, sick

[DuellM]

Awesome looking keyboard!! So Hoping for E-White or Navy 

[thechemtrailkid]

This is super cool. I love a minty color on a retro inspired board and would definitely try to get in on the group buy.

[jabe8i]

I hope you're gonna offer a hotswap pcb. I soldering 1800s takes a bit too much time.

[BRSxIgnition]

I hope you're gonna offer a hotswap pcb. I soldering 1800s takes a bit too much time.

100% agreed.

[just.hymn]

I hope you're gonna offer a hotswap pcb. I soldering 1800s takes a bit too much time.

I am offering both hotswap and solder. I will soon finalise layout config on both pcbs. Thanks for the feedback!

[hottrout]

This looks fun, keeping an eye out for this one.

[just.hymn]

This looks fun, keeping an eye out for this one.

Thank you thank you! I post updates and progress on my discord as well if you're interested

[KeyBros_]

That's so cool

[Hentoys]

now this is interesting! I am in. Cant wait to see more.

[weekendkeyboard]

Looks Awesome! 

[jetjagaa]

Gorgeous and toyetic at the same time--very excited to see more when it's ready.

[thejje]

Love the idea, will be following the project. Could you consider widening the recessed USB-C port so that thicker connectors would fit?

[just.hymn]

Love the idea, will be following the project. Could you consider widening the recessed USB-C port so that thicker connectors would fit?

The new model have relocate the port to the bottom case, will update on the new renders soon!

[Rvver]

this looks amazing

[dr_unconscionable]

Very into this design! Will definitely be looking to get one if possible.
Please try to make some powder-coat finish options available, as the texture in the renders is just perfect for this!

[FullCryoPsychochomp]

This is amazing! If the price is right I'm definitely gonna have to snag this

Is there a chance there will be a case included to support this board?

[just.hymn]

Very into this design! Will definitely be looking to get one if possible.
Please try to make some powder-coat finish options available, as the texture in the renders is just perfect for this!

Yeap, there will be a powder coat colorway which I will show soon. Thanks for the interest!
 

[just.hymn]

This is amazing! If the price is right I'm definitely gonna have to snag this

Is there a chance there will be a case included to support this board?

Yes, there will be a carrying case

[leavenember]

Looks great so far! Will other knobs be compatible with the encoder/case?

[just.hymn]

Looks great so far! Will other knobs be compatible with the encoder/case?

yess, the encoder is 18mm diameter (for reference GMMK Pro knob).

[Icemanrec]

following with interest

[Homiezoned]

Oh my, this is cool

[WillyWortel]

This keyboard is awesome.

I like the retro look, the 40 degree F-row, the old school lamp covers and the knobs. Don't change too much.

Count me in!

Does it come with those knobs?.. ...I like knobs

[Rhodactis]

Ooooh wow this would pair beautifully with my Korg SV2 Piano...

[just.hymn]

This keyboard is awesome.

I like the retro look, the 40 degree F-row, the old school lamp covers and the knobs. Don't change too much.

Count me in!

Does it come with those knobs?.. ...I like knobs

Dun worry, the design is pretty much finals at this stage and it'll definitely comes with knobs my man.

[just.hymn]

Ooooh wow this would pair beautifully with my Korg SV2 Piano...

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Very noicee

[ylothar]

Very cool design, as for input you may want to add true ISO left shift (you did reverse ISO left shift, like on WYSE50/60 boards) . Also if you could make the split space fit into the WKL layout that would be awesome.

+1 

[Jubileus]

love the retro vibe. would good on SA caps

[oilpapers]

Oooo now this is an interesting take, really love the retro-scifi feel of the curves.

[synthtastic]

Very cool design.

[DaaDaa]

Hopefully it will hit the sub $200 price point

[ItIsWritten]

Current expected price is around $700.

[sickleboom]

Great retro-esque design! Definitely interested.

[GamerFrom93]

Literally just made an account to say i am very interested in this board, 2 rotary knobs and it's full sized? Yea, i am in fact, down to clown with this board.

[ItIsWritten]

If it was really full sized, that would be even better. Missing quite a few keys that have to be shifted to the macro column to the left.

[hiddensong]

Love your design. I have a few options even though I’m sure it’s past time for changes. The arrow/numpad cluster is too tight. I’d love to see some separation there, even if just a slight bit, more like the macro keys. Also, would it be possible to add 10u support to the pcb? I really like boards like this that don’t follow the norm.
I’ll be watching!

[Starius]

Ooooh baby! This board is right up my alley!
I’m 100 % in on this when the time comes.

👍

[jammiiew]

im rather agree with design of  the topic picture. 2u 0 in normal position. do not need squeeze thumb. 

[FitLabb]

Been keeping an eye on this one as it’s a very unique design that I think would be very useful for my purposes as a content creator. Any ballpark estimate on when this GB may go live, and any update on possible pricing? Definitely hoping to pick one up!

[oilpapers]

Bring back purple

[Elendil-7]

This is it. This is my endgame work board, full stop. Been salivating over this one ever since I saw it used as a render board for a keycap set a while back. Very much hyped.

[hottrout]

I want this just to put SA 8010 on it.  It would loke a lot like the Dictaphone board.

[FitLabb]

Not sure if anyone else asked or said this anywhere, but will there be other possible colors to use for the panel where the function keys currently are? The updated renders show it as black (which looks good as a contrast color to whatever color the board is), but I saw the original renders showed possible other colors there which could look so nice if it’s possible as an option. Totally not necessary at all, but I thought it was an interesting idea.

[Exluna]

Oh wow you definitely have my interest for this.

[Nevrest]

Man this thing is so different, I love it. Hope to see this in 2023

[Max_P0]

I am eagerly waiting for updates.

[jinsk8r]

I'm interested to buy if the price is sub $500,

BUT I have one problem with the layout: I find it's hard to touch-type the numpad without the space between Enter and Numpad section. I hope you can do an exploded layout. Instant buy from me.

Also optional: BLE version if possible.

[fooddoof]

I have the same concern as jinsk8r, but otherwise this design is a new fave for sure. Looking forward to hearing pricing.

[just.hymn]

I'm interested to buy if the price is sub $500,

BUT I have one problem with the layout: I find it's hard to touch-type the numpad without the space between Enter and Numpad section. I hope you can do an exploded layout. Instant buy from me.

Also optional: BLE version if possible.

Price stands at $700 for now, I've been trying to opt the cost down by improving the designs.
Will submit the model to my partner soon for model inspection before sending it out to manufacturer.

The new design comes with a gap between the alphas and numpad, sacrificing the arrow keys. But
you can config a dedicated arrows. I will post new renders of the updated designs by beginning of 2023.

For BLE, I'm not confident to work at the moment as this is my first flagship board of my brand. Baby steps

Thanks for the interest!

[stomaha]

I’m 100% in

[origintypes]

I like how the exterior design looks and feels, but it would be nice if you also shared the internal structure of this board.
Also, you might add some engraving such as a logo or name for the bottom case to add some signature

[Starius]

Awww sorry to see the arrow keys go.  😔

[ariyankb]

Nice renders! My only concern is the height of the USB port; otherwise, beautiful board. 

[menuhin]

Awww sorry to see the arrow keys go.  😔

+1

[ItIsWritten]

Awww sorry to see the arrow keys go. 

+1

+2

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[hottrout]

Awww sorry to see the arrow keys go.  😔

+3

[Leszy]

Without arrows I guess I'll pass. I don't get appeal of more-than-fullsize keyboard without them.

[twitchytheinsideman]

 

[firstworldproblems]

I too am disappointed to hear the arrow keys are gone. I will wait for new renders before passing judgement.

[jabe8i]

I too am disappointed to hear the arrow keys are gone. I will wait for new renders before passing judgement.

Isn't the board going to look like the pictures at the very top of this page?

[hzh0525]

this is what I need! the most comprehensive full layout keyborad. I will definitely buy one when GB starts! Can't wait!

[TjarleN]

I actually like the new layout, it is just like my w1 but with added fkeys and the knobs. Using numpad for nav is something I got super comfy with.
Not sure if I can join this project because of the price point but for sure something I will keep an eye on.

[oilpapers]

Removed arrow keys takes this from Hero to Zero, will pass on that layout.

[CaesarAZealad]

Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

[acerb]

Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

You can and should use the bottom of the numpad row as arrow keys on default layer (non num-locked).
I had the same comment as you then tried recently and it's actually as simple and natural... 

[Leszy]

Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

You can and should use the bottom of the numpad row as arrow keys on default layer (non num-locked).
I had the same comment as you then tried recently and it's actually as simple and natural...

One of the reasons for use and charms of full-size(ish) keyboard is, at least for me, no need for layers as you have keys for days. You can customise everything to your needs and not rely on your layers. This is why this change is so controversial for me. If I was to look for keyboard that will force me to use layers I would look for one that would give me at least lots of desk space in return (meaning 40-60%). TypeBox in its current form sacrifices both usability (forcing me to use layers) and desk space (being big chungus of a board) for undoubtedly unique and attractive form. I understand this take, but makes me not interested in TypeBox.
I guess I am not alone in this feeling as there are many voices grieving after arrow cluster.

[oilpapers]

Plus for navigating spreadsheets you don't want to be switching layers any time you want to jump across a few cells and enter some values :/

[ItIsWritten]

And if you use the configuration mentioned with the cursor keys on the bottom part of the numpad, the number keys would all move up a row and not align with the keys left to it.

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[hello21]

No arrows is a yay to nay for me as well.
I feel the purpose of 100+ keys is removing the need to fiddle with layers

[FitLabb]

Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

You can and should use the bottom of the numpad row as arrow keys on default layer (non num-locked).
I had the same comment as you then tried recently and it's actually as simple and natural...

One of the reasons for use and charms of full-size(ish) keyboard is, at least for me, no need for layers as you have keys for days. You can customise everything to your needs and not rely on your layers. This is why this change is so controversial for me. If I was to look for keyboard that will force me to use layers I would look for one that would give me at least lots of desk space in return (meaning 40-60%). TypeBox in its current form sacrifices both usability (forcing me to use layers) and desk space (being big chungus of a board) for undoubtedly unique and attractive form. I understand this take, but makes me not interested in TypeBox.
I guess I am not alone in this feeling as there are many voices grieving after arrow cluster.

I completely agree with what you said here.  Removing the arrow keys in the latest revision and having to either use layers (with the num lock key) to switch between arrows and numbers, OR taking space from the numpad in order to create dedicated arrow keys are both less than ideal and detract from the intention of this being a function-first keyboard design meant for content creators and professionals.  As a content creator myself who is constantly using arrow keys, and frequently using numbers as well, it's going to be a bit annoying and will take some adjustment to get used to this layout in whatever form I decide to use. 

With all that said, I love the overall design and functionality enough otherwise that I'm still planning to buy one and find a way to make the layout work for me despite the unfortunate loss of a dedicated arrow cluster.  It's not every day a keyboard design like this comes around, and I know I'd probably kick myself if I passed on it without at least trying to find a workable solution to the arrow/numpad issue.  I'm reminded of that old saying in these situations that there's no such thing as perfection in anything in life, so you have to weigh the pros vs cons, and for me this one still comes out as a rare must buy as I'm confident I can figure out an imperfect but workable way to use it with my dedicated arrow keys workflow needs. Now just hoping the price comes down at least a little bit before the GB starts.....

[Rvver]

losing the arrow keys makes me very sad. was definitely interested up until that change

im sure itll still turn out great and others will still enjoy it but its just no longer for me

[Starius]

What do we gotta do to get the original layout back? 🤞

[CaesarAZealad]

Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

You can and should use the bottom of the numpad row as arrow keys on default layer (non num-locked).
I had the same comment as you then tried recently and it's actually as simple and natural...

If one more person tells me to use layers...
Why don't you just use a keyboard with 3 keys, one for layer up, one for layer down, and one for input. It's just as efficient as a fullsize keyboard!
Fr if it works for you that's great but layers just don't vibe with me.

[a_saker]

This is sick! Perfect work keyboard

[Oogtug84]

Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

You can and should use the bottom of the numpad row as arrow keys on default layer (non num-locked).
I had the same comment as you then tried recently and it's actually as simple and natural...

If one more person tells me to use layers...
Why don't you just use a keyboard with 3 keys, one for layer up, one for layer down, and one for input. It's just as efficient as a fullsize keyboard!
Fr if it works for you that's great but layers just don't vibe with me.

Let a designer design. If one needs arrows so badly maybe this board just isn't for you. As much as it's not on layer enjoyers to dictate preferences to people that don't like them not like people can dictate layouts because they can't use more than two fingers at a time.

[CaesarAZealad]

Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

You can and should use the bottom of the numpad row as arrow keys on default layer (non num-locked).
I had the same comment as you then tried recently and it's actually as simple and natural...

If one more person tells me to use layers...
Why don't you just use a keyboard with 3 keys, one for layer up, one for layer down, and one for input. It's just as efficient as a fullsize keyboard!
Fr if it works for you that's great but layers just don't vibe with me.

Let a designer design. If one needs arrows so badly maybe this board just isn't for you. As much as it's not on layer enjoyers to dictate preferences to people that don't like them not like people can dictate layouts because they can't use more than two fingers at a time.

Since geekhack didn't like my previous response all I have to say is this designer can design whatever they like, but if they drive away too many people there's no way in heck this is getting off the ground.

[ItIsWritten]

And the designer can choose to ignore the input, but he isn't designing it only for himself.

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[Verrine]

And the designer can choose to ignore the input, but he isn't designing it only for himself.

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The designer has been putting great effort in trying to listen to the feedback. There are several alternative layouts  designed for instances which the community over on the discord could discuss. There is also a poll ongoing still I believe.

[ItIsWritten]

I'm not claiming otherwise.

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[Verrine]

I'm not claiming otherwise.

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Indeed, sorry if it came out weird. Was more so to add to your statement as well and encourage some really passionate to go voice over there.

[CaesarAZealad]

I'm not claiming otherwise.

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Indeed, sorry if it came out weird. Was more so to add to your statement as well and encourage some really passionate to go voice over there.

Damn, thanks for the info! I'll head over there now and vote in the poll.

[Aznakh]

For anyone following this thread and not keeping track on discord, arrow keys seems to be back as well as some other changes to the layout.

[Rvver]

For anyone following this thread and not keeping track on discord, arrow keys seems to be back as well as some other changes to the layout.

doesnt look like it

[ItIsWritten]

And yet....

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[CaesarAZealad]

And yet....

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Oh no but you don't understand you have to let a designer design what they want to design even though what you initially were interested in isn't part of the project anymore.
I'm not demanding that the arrow keys be added back, but I gotta say now that they're not there I've lost interest. GLWGB!

[ItIsWritten]

Those are the designer"s words from earlier this month.

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[just.hymn]

Hey guysss,

Just chiming in on the confusion with arrows keys, so to avoid further arguments.
As the votes are in, I have decided to go with AT layout (no arrow keys). Which
I have sent to a CAD engineer for inspection and to remodel. I'm mostly active
on discord where we can discuss and talk.

Sorry to heard some of ya'll will be leaving on this journey, and hopefully
I could make something that will interest you again in the future.

I'm truly grateful for the interest and the attention I've received with Type Box.
I really am, thanks.

[oilpapers]

Numpad but no dedicated arrow keys 😂

[FitLabb]

Hey guysss,

Just chiming in on the confusion with arrows keys, so to avoid further arguments.
As the votes are in, I have decided to go with AT layout (no arrow keys). Which
I have sent to a CAD engineer for inspection and to remodel. I'm mostly active
on discord where we can discuss and talk.

Sorry to heard some of ya'll will be leaving on this journey, and hopefully
I could make something that will interest you again in the future.

I'm truly grateful for the interest and the attention I've received with Type Box.
I really am, thanks.

To start, I just want to say that I think you're a valuable asset to the hobby as one of the great up-and-coming designers, and I completely respect that you created that poll to gauge interest in either layout as I think that was a great thing to do.  However, something I noticed was that it had a very low participation rate compared to the number of people who know about this keyboard and who initially had great interest in it, which I largely think is due to the fact that the poll wasn't well publicized, the poll was released a bit late in the game after it was announced that the arrow keys were deleted from the design (which frankly turned a lot of people off and made them lose interest and stop following the project at that point), and it just didn't reach as many people as a result of that to give a full and accurate picture of what people really wanted on either side.  I'm very active in the hobby online and found that a lot of people I knew that were initially interested in the board had no clue about the poll, since they stopped following the project after they heard about the deletion of the dedicated arrow keys before the poll was posted on Discord (and then also finding out that the poll had concluded a couple months ago with votes being in favor of no arrow keys).  After going to a recent keyboard meetup (my first one ever), this same thing randomly came up in conversation with many people there, and the vast majority of which had the same exact experience after losing interest and no longer following the project after the announcement of the loss of arrow keys, but before the poll was posted.

Long story short, I think the results of that poll would have been very different had it been posted sooner (especially if it was done before any layout changes removing arrow keys were made and announced both here and on Discord).  One interesting thing is that the gap in the poll numbers has been closing ever since the decision was made on the layout back around February, as it's currently 74-62, and seems there would have been much greater interest in it than the poll reflects based on all the people I've had conversations with about this project, as it's now much less functional for a lot of people than originally intended.

To end on a positive note, I did want to say that I love how open you've been to receiving feedback from people on this project all along, and how well you've handled any critical feedback with a very kind and professional tone.  This remains one of my favorite keyboard designs to date, and will probably be the largest board I'll ever buy simply because I love the very unique aesthetics of it.  Due to the loss of dedicated arrow keys, it unfortunately won't likely be in my regular rotation as I had originally intended, but hopefully I'll find some sort of reasonable workaround that won't trip me up or slow down my workflow too much so I can use it fairly often (something that doesn't use layers or that doesn't compromise the numpad layout).  Either way, I'm glad that we have such a creative designer in the hobby like you who is also so open to listening to the potential buyers of your creation, and I'll certainly be watching to see what interesting designs you come up with in the future.

[Starius]

Hey guysss,

Just chiming in on the confusion with arrows keys, so to avoid further arguments.
As the votes are in, I have decided to go with AT layout (no arrow keys). Which
I have sent to a CAD engineer for inspection and to remodel. I'm mostly active
on discord where we can discuss and talk.

Sorry to heard some of ya'll will be leaving on this journey, and hopefully
I could make something that will interest you again in the future.

I'm truly grateful for the interest and the attention I've received with Type Box.
I really am, thanks.

To start, I just want to say that I think you're a valuable asset to the hobby as one of the great up-and-coming designers, and I completely respect that you created that poll to gauge interest in either layout as I think that was a great thing to do.  However, something I noticed was that it had a very low participation rate compared to the number of people who know about this keyboard and who initially had great interest in it, which I largely think is due to the fact that the poll wasn't well publicized, the poll was released a bit late in the game after it was announced that the arrow keys were deleted from the design (which frankly turned a lot of people off and made them lose interest and stop following the project at that point), and it just didn't reach as many people as a result of that to give a full and accurate picture of what people really wanted on either side.  I'm very active in the hobby online and found that a lot of people I knew that were initially interested in the board had no clue about the poll, since they stopped following the project after they heard about the deletion of the dedicated arrow keys before the poll was posted on Discord (and then also finding out that the poll had concluded a couple months ago with votes being in favor of no arrow keys).  After going to a recent keyboard meetup (my first one ever), this same thing randomly came up in conversation with many people there, and the vast majority of which had the same exact experience after losing interest and no longer following the project after the announcement of the loss of arrow keys, but before the poll was posted.

Long story short, I think the results of that poll would have been very different had it been posted sooner (especially if it was done before any layout changes removing arrow keys were made and announced both here and on Discord).  One interesting thing is that the gap in the poll numbers has been closing ever since the decision was made on the layout back around February, as it's currently 74-62, and seems there would have been much greater interest in it than the poll reflects based on all the people I've had conversations with about this project, as it's now much less functional for a lot of people than originally intended.

To end on a positive note, I did want to say that I love how open you've been to receiving feedback from people on this project all along, and how well you've handled any critical feedback with a very kind and professional tone.  This remains one of my favorite keyboard designs to date, and will probably be the largest board I'll ever buy simply because I love the very unique aesthetics of it.  Due to the loss of dedicated arrow keys, it unfortunately won't likely be in my regular rotation as I had originally intended, but hopefully I'll find some sort of reasonable workaround that won't trip me up or slow down my workflow too much so I can use it fairly often (something that doesn't use layers or that doesn't compromise the numpad layout).  Either way, I'm glad that we have such a creative designer in the hobby like you who is also so open to listening to the potential buyers of your creation, and I'll certainly be watching to see what interesting designs you come up with in the future.

Agree with this 💯 percent.

I'll only just add that I didn't even know there was a Discord channel for it, let alone a poll being done there.  And even if I had known, I think a poll should have been done here on geekhack as well... or why bother even doing a IC here at all?  The whole point of a Interest Check thread is to gauge the interest. Not just merely a classified ad advertisement of the project. 
That being said, all in all, the creator of this project has been nothing but professional from what I've seen here on GH since day one.  I still wish the project luck and success. 

[hzh0525]

💯 percent agreed!

[firstworldproblems]

Respect to the designer. Respect to updating the IC.

I too would have voted heavily for arrow keys if notified.

[ItIsWritten]

What I personally wonder is how many people will actually buy now, as the people who say they can do without the arrow keys are normally the people that use smaller keyboards like 65%. I think the main complaint about the current layout is that you have something that is basically a big board, without one of the key features differentiating small boards from big boards.

[Surefoot]

Still getting it, I like the XT layout.

[CaesarAZealad]

Hey guysss,

Just chiming in on the confusion with arrows keys, so to avoid further arguments.
As the votes are in, I have decided to go with AT layout (no arrow keys). Which
I have sent to a CAD engineer for inspection and to remodel. I'm mostly active
on discord where we can discuss and talk.

Sorry to heard some of ya'll will be leaving on this journey, and hopefully
I could make something that will interest you again in the future.

I'm truly grateful for the interest and the attention I've received with Type Box.
I really am, thanks.

To start, I just want to say that I think you're a valuable asset to the hobby as one of the great up-and-coming designers, and I completely respect that you created that poll to gauge interest in either layout as I think that was a great thing to do.  However, something I noticed was that it had a very low participation rate compared to the number of people who know about this keyboard and who initially had great interest in it, which I largely think is due to the fact that the poll wasn't well publicized, the poll was released a bit late in the game after it was announced that the arrow keys were deleted from the design (which frankly turned a lot of people off and made them lose interest and stop following the project at that point), and it just didn't reach as many people as a result of that to give a full and accurate picture of what people really wanted on either side.  I'm very active in the hobby online and found that a lot of people I knew that were initially interested in the board had no clue about the poll, since they stopped following the project after they heard about the deletion of the dedicated arrow keys before the poll was posted on Discord (and then also finding out that the poll had concluded a couple months ago with votes being in favor of no arrow keys).  After going to a recent keyboard meetup (my first one ever), this same thing randomly came up in conversation with many people there, and the vast majority of which had the same exact experience after losing interest and no longer following the project after the announcement of the loss of arrow keys, but before the poll was posted.

Long story short, I think the results of that poll would have been very different had it been posted sooner (especially if it was done before any layout changes removing arrow keys were made and announced both here and on Discord).  One interesting thing is that the gap in the poll numbers has been closing ever since the decision was made on the layout back around February, as it's currently 74-62, and seems there would have been much greater interest in it than the poll reflects based on all the people I've had conversations with about this project, as it's now much less functional for a lot of people than originally intended.

To end on a positive note, I did want to say that I love how open you've been to receiving feedback from people on this project all along, and how well you've handled any critical feedback with a very kind and professional tone.  This remains one of my favorite keyboard designs to date, and will probably be the largest board I'll ever buy simply because I love the very unique aesthetics of it.  Due to the loss of dedicated arrow keys, it unfortunately won't likely be in my regular rotation as I had originally intended, but hopefully I'll find some sort of reasonable workaround that won't trip me up or slow down my workflow too much so I can use it fairly often (something that doesn't use layers or that doesn't compromise the numpad layout).  Either way, I'm glad that we have such a creative designer in the hobby like you who is also so open to listening to the potential buyers of your creation, and I'll certainly be watching to see what interesting designs you come up with in the future.

Thank god someone smarter than me said this, because it 100% encapsulates my feelings.

[hzh0525]

By any chance, the arrows key will come back again as we still have time?

[FitLabb]

Unfortunately it seems that the final decision to remove the arrow keys was made many months ago, and that choice is now solidified as I believe the PCB design and other layout/design details are now finalized and getting ready for the GB to begin sometime in the coming months.  Interestingly enough, as of today the poll on the Hymn Network Discord Server now has the Standard 1800 layout (with dedicated arrow keys) ahead of the WT-AT layout (without arrow keys) with a 1 point lead (82-81).  I fully expected this would happen over time as more people found their way to the Server and found out about the poll, as not many people knew about that poll for the layout when it was active and mattered, especially compared to all the people who knew about this beautiful board.

Are you still planning to buy one?  I'll probably still get one if finances permit, mainly because of the beautiful design and macro capabilities, even if it's not remotely as useable to me without dedicated arrows.

[Surefoot]

I'm 100% getting one, the layout is indifferent to me.

[hzh0525]

Unfortunately it seems that the final decision to remove the arrow keys was made many months ago, and that choice is now solidified as I believe the PCB design and other layout/design details are now finalized and getting ready for the GB to begin sometime in the coming months.  Interestingly enough, as of today the poll on the Hymn Network Discord Server now has the Standard 1800 layout (with dedicated arrow keys) ahead of the WT-AT layout (without arrow keys) with a 1 point lead (82-81).  I fully expected this would happen over time as more people found their way to the Server and found out about the poll, as not many people knew about that poll for the layout when it was active and mattered, especially compared to all the people who knew about this beautiful board.

Are you still planning to buy one?  I'll probably still get one if finances permit, mainly because of the beautiful design and macro capabilities, even if it's not remotely as useable to me without dedicated arrows.

I totally agree! As a rare creative 100%+ keyboard, I want to say it would be a pity if it cannot also support the standard 1800 layout. Is it possible to design a compatible PCB using two layout json files? People can then choose their preferred layout to flash. By the way, will there be any sound units included, such as valves or buzzers (or both)? I have suggested this feature to be considered a while ago. It would be amazing if it could make some sound and if one of the LEDs on the top-right side would flash while buzzing~

[just.hymn]

Unfortunately it seems that the final decision to remove the arrow keys was made many months ago, and that choice is now solidified as I believe the PCB design and other layout/design details are now finalized and getting ready for the GB to begin sometime in the coming months.  Interestingly enough, as of today the poll on the Hymn Network Discord Server now has the Standard 1800 layout (with dedicated arrow keys) ahead of the WT-AT layout (without arrow keys) with a 1 point lead (82-81).  I fully expected this would happen over time as more people found their way to the Server and found out about the poll, as not many people knew about that poll for the layout when it was active and mattered, especially compared to all the people who knew about this beautiful board.

Are you still planning to buy one?  I'll probably still get one if finances permit, mainly because of the beautiful design and macro capabilities, even if it's not remotely as useable to me without dedicated arrows.

I totally agree! As a rare creative 100%+ keyboard, I want to say it would be a pity if it cannot also support the standard 1800 layout. Is it possible to design a compatible PCB using two layout json files? People can then choose their preferred layout to flash. By the way, will there be any sound units included, such as valves or buzzers (or both)? I have suggested this feature to be considered a while ago. It would be amazing if it could make some sound and if one of the LEDs on the top-right side would flash while buzzing~

I'm sorry if I have disappoint a lot of people who are really eager to bring back the arrow keys. The reasons to removed is 1) it's very cluttered, in terms on design and overall visual. 2) By implementing a 1800 layout, Typebox is becoming bigger and thus increase in the pricing and cost. Again I apologized on removing the arrow keys but I do hope at least you can stay with us in this journey and see final progress.

As for buzzers/solenoid/valves, the initial design has solenoid but due to the complexity of Typebox, I regrettably removed it. I want to avoid unnecessary complexity and headaches to me and to you, the end users who will be using this board. I will consider it in the future when I have more experience.

- Hymn -

[Beesley]

Regardless of the changes I love this board, and definitely want to add it to the collection!

[stomaha]

I’m in

[phinix]

Keyboard designs are getting really interesting nowadays, compared to what we had 10 years ago

This is nice, I would prefer TKL with this angled top but its still ncie.

[just.hymn]

I like how the exterior design looks and feels, but it would be nice if you also shared the internal structure of this board.
Also, you might add some engraving such as a logo or name for the bottom case to add some signature

I have completely re-design the overall structure and details. Will update the moment I have reveal the whole design. Right now we're more or less teasing the new designs and some new stuff on Type box. But do stay tune!