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« Reply #500 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 23:27:20 »
Come on!  7 more Tsangan Compatibility Sets to get down to $21, a $10 discount!  If you are getting a compatibility set, it may be worth it to get a second set.  Think about it, 1 set $31 at current discount, 2 sets for $42 at the next discount level.  Call now!

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« Reply #501 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 23:28:17 »
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Come on!  7 more Tsangan Compatibility Sets to get down to $21, a $10 discount!  If you are getting a compatibility set, it may be worth it to get a second set.  Think about it, 1 set $31 at current discount, 2 sets for $42 at the next discount level.  Call now!

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« Reply #502 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 23:41:18 »
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« Reply #503 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 23:52:51 »
Okay so... here goes.

ISO is probably not going to work out. There simply aren't enough people and I found out today that because the J shape return can't be run with everything else, it makes the set obscenely expensive in low quantities. If we were doing large volumes of this, it  wouldn't be a problem, but since we've only got 6 buyers, it isn't looking good. I would cringe to ask these guys to pay $51 if we make it to 10 orders, and simply refuse to make people pay nearly $100 for 4 keys. I know a lot of you guys said that you would pay almost any price to get them, but I don't think even you guys can justify that. Losing 6 orders kinda hurts, but at this point not enough to cause anyone else much effect, though every ISO order has either a combatability or 104 kit tacked on to it.

Filco Leo spacebar has been confirmed, though it wasn't in there initially. There was a slight price increase but I absorbed it in the padding from rounding up to the next dollar in my initial quotes. A bit less profit but w/e.

Biohazard requires quite a lot more setup fees than anticipated. Its $45 for each key type, so if I do a mod key with it for this I'd have to cover that myself, which I don't feel like doing as much. I figured I could stomach the $25 no problem but this looks more and more like it is suited for its own group buy. There will be another $45 to do an esc key, but if we get lots of orders that figure disappears quick. I just need to remember to collect it at the end, because thus far in all of my group buys I have forgotten every time. That's like $200 in mistakes so far lol.

However, not counting the legend fees, the prices would go up to these, if anyone is interested:
75 sets          $47.93 / set
100 sets        $44.54 / set


Not too bad for an extra couple of keys, but like I said its probably not going to happen since I don't like making changes to the price structure and I would be inclined to add another $.45-.60 per order to cover the fees. I was thinking it would be an extra dollar, not 3.

Tsangan keyset price increase was where I expected, basically another dollar. No big deal there and I don't expect it to change anyone's mind, especially when this has gotten so cheap.

This is specifically directed at Hazeluff, but here is quote what Melissa said about the Biohazard and Windows 8 SVGs:

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The spacing between the boxes on the windows 8 logo is a little too small, but I can make this minor modification before we create it. The biohazard is too large for the 'legendable space' - especially if you want it on a 1x1 keycap at some point. The legendable space for a modifier (which I take to be a 1.25x) is 0.545" wide x 0.427" tall - this image is measuring 0.5347" x 0.5129". We are also going to loose a bit of the detail on the 'points' of the image as our cutter size doesn't go that small.

The complaint about losing detail with the cutter was expected, but yeah, it needs to be more square or something, I'm not sure what you need to change to make that work. Try and maximize it to what she said though, so it stays as large as possible.

I think thats all I can think of for now, but please read this and comment, its important.

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« Reply #504 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 23:57:26 »
It all sounds good to me. Sounds like more hassle then its worth for a couple extra caps. But if everyone is wanting them I will go with the flow.

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« Reply #505 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 23:59:30 »
I'd like to reiterate that just because we wouldn't be doing them in the group buy itself doesn't mean that we wouldn't ever get them. It would just mean that everyone that wants one would have to wait longer to complete their set since it would be in a separate group buy that would complete and go in after.

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« Reply #506 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 00:15:58 »
I'm fine either way.
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« Reply #507 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 00:17:05 »
Rag, not sure if I'm clear about this but.. for the windows 8 chip in, do we send litster the money now and you collect it from him or is it going to be added to our order. I'm pretty sure I read it but I just completely blanked out lol
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« Reply #508 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 00:19:07 »
I'm just going to add it to everyone's invoices. Just expect an extra $3 item on there between the 8 buyers.

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« Reply #509 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 00:19:48 »
got it, thanks!
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« Reply #510 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 01:19:21 »
i'd prefer no biohazard in this set. i personally wouldn't use the key, and it doesn't seem like enough people want it to justify the price increase.

if tsangan kit hits around 15 i'll be in for one. i'm going to hold off and only get a tsangan for the cream cheese otherwise.

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« Reply #511 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 01:28:06 »
Yeah the more I mull it over the more it belongs in a separate set with some friends ;)

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« Reply #512 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 01:35:33 »
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i'd prefer no biohazard in this set. i personally wouldn't use the key, and it doesn't seem like enough people want it to justify the price increase.

if tsangan kit hits around 15 i'll be in for one. i'm going to hold off and only get a tsangan for the cream cheese otherwise.
Huh? Tsangan kit is already at 18.
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« Reply #513 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 01:36:47 »
New order

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« Reply #514 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 02:41:27 »
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Yeah the more I mull it over the more it belongs in a separate set with some friends ;)


Agreed. Seems like too much for this buy and I would definitely swoop one up in the GB!

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« Reply #515 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 07:20:52 »
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$51 if we make it to 10 orders [...] nearly $100 for 4 keys


Wait - are you kidding? SP, why? That's just insane! 7unit spacebars + 4 expensive 1.5 mods and 2 even bigger keys being cheaper than ONE ****ING key? Argh. -.-

Oh well, there goes my dream of a cheap ISO kit to go with many group buys. We still basically need 25 people to buy the JRET, which means you can do specific language layouts anyway. Many keys are shared, should be possible to keep them under 30-40$. Just the JRET... 25 orders, really? And it's beyond me that even at 100 orders it's still 8-10$ (assuming that the other keys go down to 1$, more or less)

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« Reply #516 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 09:29:12 »
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Huh? Tsangan kit is already at 18.
OP says it's a few orders away from hitting 23?

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« Reply #517 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 09:31:51 »
I'm so far over my keyboard budget it's not even funny, but this set just looks too good... Thank God I don't share an account with my wife. :)

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« Reply #518 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 09:34:09 »
Those prises for the ISO hurts a bit, and they are not even language specific... I think I'll just order a set for my Poker instead.

But I'm going to wait until the end before changing the order to see if anyone else is willing to get a set.

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« Reply #519 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 09:56:02 »
Hey rag. About the SVGs I make. Inkscape (my program) doesn't have the same size system as theirs. So it always ends up slightly bigger. She's always been scaling it down for us. So if the biohazard can be scaled down without problems, just do that. If not I'll rework it slightly so that it does.
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« Reply #520 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 11:53:04 »
I dunno, the way she said it made it seem like it needed to be made more square first or something. The whole point of SVGs is that they can be scaled perfectly, but for some reason she didn't just say yeah no problem.

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« Reply #521 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 11:56:45 »
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OP says it's a few orders away from hitting 23?


Then why are you worried about 15?
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« Reply #522 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:14:33 »
4 of the 6 ISO orders I have are Combatability orders btw. I have 5 unread PMs in my inbox though.

I'm also still thinking about capping orders at 95, so I can order a few extra and sell them as leftovers... nobody said anything last time but if you do the math that gives me a pretty reasonable opportunity to make some money with this, while everyone only ends up paying a couple of bucks more. I'd restate all the justification behind this, but if you've been following the thread you should know by now.

Basically if we hit that, and ISO is like 1 away from hitting 15 or something, I'll accept one of those orders to get people their discount, it isn't meant to prevent anyone from getting a discount they need, just to give me an opportunity to earn something for all of this time I've invested. This group buy has already required more work than normal.

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« Reply #523 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:14:38 »
It's remarkable how low the prices are for this set compared to R4 :|

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« Reply #524 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:22:58 »
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Then why are you worried about 15?

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« Reply #525 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:36:31 »
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Then why are you worried about 15?
because i have a limited amount of money and would much rather use it to buy a compat kit for tsangan's cream cheese set?

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« Reply #526 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:43:18 »
After reading my PMs we passed 15 not including the ISO orders, so don't worry about that.

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« Reply #527 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:50:42 »
I'd take a ragnarok one if I could order it in 104 size.

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« Reply #528 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:51:13 »
You can. Follow the OP.

Edit: Just got another email back from Melissa, apparently she screwed up her quote for the base set, so my padding by rounding up to the next dollar stopped cutting it. Had to round up to the next dollar, so prices went up a whole buck! Sorry for any inconvenience, but I figured at these prices you don't really care.
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« Reply #529 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 13:19:23 »
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« Reply #530 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 13:49:09 »
Well there goes my dream of a really cool G80 with ergo clears and doubleshots... (just got a G80 MX Blue for modding the switches...)

It would be cool, but I fear we don't find 4 more people for the iso kit...
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« Reply #531 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 14:18:15 »
Okay, I've got one last idea: We all go get blanks from R4, those are there anyway, and the ISO kit hence just contains 3 keys, 4 minus the JRET. I'd gladly help everyone getting the codes right.

3 keys with no JRET should be cheap, right? You can never be sure with SP... :/

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« Reply #532 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 14:44:44 »
You want to just get blank JRETs from R4? And then the ISO kit only has everything but? That would work, if you still believe round 4 will end. It is the JRET that is messing everything up for that kit, that's certain. I don't want to lose the orders, nor do I want to charge such a ridiculous price for it, so IF you can find blank JRETs from 7bit, that is a good idea. I would contact him and confirm that they are going to be offered.

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« Reply #533 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 14:53:52 »
There are blank JRETs: BLANK/BLANKJRET/BLACK. (Call me a nerd, but to me the whole round 4 ordering process is 100% logical) You can even order PBTs, I've already got several other JRETs on my order list, and yes, round 4 is going to end, in 9 days. It will still take more time from then than this GB I think, but it's not something about endless months of waiting.

We can still wait for other ISO orders, but I don't believe in miracles. :/ What do the other ISO folks think?

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« Reply #534 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 15:01:34 »
I sent Melissa an email for the 3 key ISO set without the JRET, should get something back within the hour. I'm still not holding my breath on R4, since it has been going since the day before I joined here.

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« Reply #535 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 16:05:48 »
Ragnorock, PM'ed you to add one more set of base set to my order.

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« Reply #536 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 16:46:45 »
Hm... that would be a possibility. I still have some keys on R4 because I need a space bar for my Raptorgaming K1. Adding a blank J-ret should be no problem.
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« Reply #537 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 18:05:21 »
Edit: Found the answer to my question.

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« Reply #538 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 18:59:33 »
Okay, so I made the executive decision to change ISO to the 3 keys and not include the JRET. If you guys want one, you can get a blank from Round 4, or use your own. If I lose a couple of orders because it is not complete, so be it, but I think it is much more reasonable to charge the new prices than the old. Sorry it didn't work out the way we hoped, but I said from the starts, no promises with ISO. At least this way we can offer it. Please see the OP for details.

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« Reply #539 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 20:14:22 »
You might want to mention it in the invoices going out to ISO buyers... I've seen some peeps ignore the group buy thread after placing their order and not be too happy about the results.
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« Reply #540 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 20:20:06 »
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I'm also still thinking about capping orders at 95, so I can order a few extra and sell them as leftovers... nobody said anything last time but if you do the math that gives me a pretty reasonable opportunity to make some money with this, while everyone only ends up paying a couple of bucks more. I'd restate all the justification behind this, but if you've been following the thread you should know by now.
If it gets to that will we be paying the 75 set pricing at $46 or 100 set pricing at $43?
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« Reply #541 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 20:27:51 »
$46. Its 3 dollars, still half what it cost in R4. Those 3 dollars give me the opportunity to actually make some money here.

I will mention it in the invoice to the ISO buyers, in fact when orders close I intend to send each ISO buyer a PM reminding them of their actual order contents.

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« Reply #542 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 20:31:15 »
Will that not mean everyone is donating $3 towards you? At 95 buyers that's $285 which you can purchase another almost 7 sets for free and probably sell them off at a premium?
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« Reply #543 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 20:33:49 »
Yep, that's the idea. Like I said from the start I would only do that if it was already cheap for everyone. I we were struggling to get to 50 or even 75 buyers, I wouldn't be considering it. But seeing as how the next discount is minuscule anyways I think it's pretty reasonable I be given the opportunity to sell some leftovers that I wouldn't be able to cover the purchasing costs for. This was all discussed earlier, how did you miss it? We're also almost certain to end up right around that number anyways, so whether I capped it or not the result would probably be the same.

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« Reply #544 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 20:52:17 »
i don't think any of us are going to die if rag makes a couple hundred off of this GB... that barely pays for the time he's invested up to now, and the keys haven't even been ordered from SP yet.

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« Reply #545 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 21:51:03 »
I'm all for people to maker some cash. Intensive to do some more GB's!

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« Reply #546 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 22:20:33 »
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I see hashbaz's point., and if it looks like hazeluff's mockup I'm on board with the red-pane-of-death key instead of a red Pirate skull... but hold the phone!  I just read tell of a BIOHAZARD OS-agnostic symbol key.  Now THAT sounds like a total winner to me.  :-)
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« Reply #547 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 22:48:26 »
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Ah!  My all-time favorite artist, since I was 8 and my mother had to literally DRAG me out of the museum's special visiting exhibit.   I saw a fabulous collection in Montreal in the 1990s too.  Ah!   :-)

I see hashbaz's point., and if it looks like hazeluff's mockup I'm on board with the red-pane-of-death key instead of a red Pirate skull... but hold the phone!  I just read tell of a BIOHAZARD OS-agnostic symbol key.  Now THAT sounds like a total winner to me.  :-)
I will be doing the Biohazard group buy shortly, keep an eye out for it. Due to the cutting fees I can't really add it to the current group buy without increasing the price by a few dollars.

Offline bionicroach

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Ragnarok Red on Black 87/104 Keyset: Order Thread [Shipped]
« Reply #548 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 23:52:10 »
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Offline snowboarder3

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Ragnarok Red on Black 87/104 Keyset: Order Thread [Shipped]
« Reply #549 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 23:54:27 »
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Yep, that's the idea. Like I said from the start I would only do that if it was already cheap for everyone. I we were struggling to get to 50 or even 75 buyers, I wouldn't be considering it. But seeing as how the next discount is minuscule anyways I think it's pretty reasonable I be given the opportunity to sell some leftovers that I wouldn't be able to cover the purchasing costs for. This was all discussed earlier, how did you miss it? We're also almost certain to end up right around that number anyways, so whether I capped it or not the result would probably be the same.


So... other people who want sets can't get one so you can take advantage of free sets? Not trying to be rude/disrespectful or anything, but I don't really think this was discussed in the original post. Sure, you said there was no magic number, but at the same time you never said you would artificially limit the number of orders so that you can take advantage of the non existent magic number. Count me out of this GB if numbers are going to be limited. That's not what I signed up for.