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Title: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: 127001 on Mon, 30 December 2013, 21:38:55
Okee dokee, so here is the deal:

So after talking with the seller he has said that he's willing to sell them for about $25 a piece if you contact him via email and pay via PayPal. This price does not included the cost of shipping. I have purchased one of the boards from him this way and will likely get the other missing part number from him in time.

PLEASE BE AWARE:
He doesn't double box them by default and it would only end up bringing up the shipping cost. There is really no reason for a second box in my opinion.

This guy has really gone out of his way to tell me about this product and has been nothing but helpful and very professional.

If you wish to purchase one of these boards please PM me and I will forward his contact info to you.

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NEW CONTROLLER:

Quote from: Soarer on Tue, 14 January 2014, 19:48:04
Just posted a bit more info on modding these using my controller code here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50437.msg1193047#msg1193047) :D

Okay, so I think that we may have found a supply of some pretty cool, weird IBM Keyboards. I'm making this to see if there would be any interest in the community and if people would be driven enough to make a converter for these.

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Here is the keyboard:
(http://i.imgur.com/2TaS2bn.jpg)

They are, from what I understand, NIB:
(http://i.imgur.com/0fImv8n.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vsDwPad.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vzl0PZM.jpg)

Here is the connector:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZK2tCpG.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aTlEAUv.jpg)

It has vintage green linear alps with a 3.5mm travel (I did not take this photo, if you did please PM me):
(http://i.imgur.com/wYdYn3V.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/BfmPzmT.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bXl51dn.jpg)

I don't know if these are MX compatible or not. Not MX compatible apparently...
(http://i.imgur.com/K6vXvNm.jpg)

I think that this is just such a cool keyboard. I hope people have interest in this; they deserve love :P. Please let me know if you do.

EDIT:
Quote from: Parak on Mon, 30 December 2013, 23:11:50
I originally spotted them on reddit after someone found a few boxes really cheap at some surplus dealer (not ebay). I inquired about them since they haven't been seen before by keyboard aficionados (so to speak), noted vintage green alps, and left it at that for him to possibly decide on what to do with them. A week or two later though I found them on ebay as well, at which point the interested parties got samples, then everyone else via group buys and such :P

I'm almost wondering if they got any circulation at all, as all we're seeing are NIB examples..

http://deskthority.net/deskthority-awards-2012-f34/the-deskthority-award-2012-t4550.html#p87127
http://deskthority.net/photos-videos-f8/ibm-5954339-t4564.html - apparently Soarer did the micro replacement test at some point and I didn't even know about it. Sneaky Soarerses!
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/chinese-ibm-keyboard-proxy-t4688.html group buy
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/chinese-ibm-keyboard-proxy-round-2-t4913.html another group buy

So looks like probably usable with a bit of work if Soarer can chime in on the progress. Feel is decent enough for a linear (I've tried better, but far rarer switches), but for me it's more of an IBM curio as I'm not a linear fan at all, and prefer buckling springs and such :D
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: regack on Mon, 30 December 2013, 21:40:33
Is this the same as the thing you picked up on ebay the other day?  It looks really interesting...
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: 127001 on Mon, 30 December 2013, 21:42:30
Quote from: regack on Mon, 30 December 2013, 21:40:33
Is this the same as the thing you picked up on ebay the other day?  It looks really interesting...

It is. There are Chinese and Japanese version of these. There are two part numbers for the Japanese version; apparently they are identical however.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 30 December 2013, 21:42:39
Quote from: regack on Mon, 30 December 2013, 21:40:33
Is this the same as the thing you picked up on ebay the other day?  It looks really interesting...

I think so
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: Parak on Mon, 30 December 2013, 22:22:15
These have been around from the same seller a while back, with a group buy happening on DT. They're nice and interesting (I have one from back then), but I'd be hesitant to say that a converter is realistic as it hasn't really been done since a year+ ago. Basically the controller on this board is integrated on the matrix pcb, and it's highly unlikely that it sends up codes for all keys. So likely the only possibility is replacement of the main IC, which is questionable. That or replacing the entire PCB :(
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: 127001 on Mon, 30 December 2013, 22:25:43
Quote from: Parak on Mon, 30 December 2013, 22:22:15
These have been around from the same seller a while back, with a group buy happening on DT. They're nice and interesting (I have one from back then), but I'd be hesitant to say that a converter is realistic as it hasn't really been done since a year+ ago. Basically the controller on this board is integrated on the matrix pcb, and it's highly unlikely that it sends up codes for all keys. So likely the only possibility is replacement of the main IC, which is questionable. That or replacing the entire PCB :(
This is great to know thank you. If you could direct us to any more information about the boards that would be great.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: Parak on Mon, 30 December 2013, 23:11:50
I originally spotted them on reddit after someone found a few boxes really cheap at some surplus dealer (not ebay). I inquired about them since they haven't been seen before by keyboard aficionados (so to speak), noted vintage green alps, and left it at that for him to possibly decide on what to do with them. A week or two later though I found them on ebay as well, at which point the interested parties got samples, then everyone else via group buys and such :P

I'm almost wondering if they got any circulation at all, as all we're seeing are NIB examples..

http://deskthority.net/deskthority-awards-2012-f34/the-deskthority-award-2012-t4550.html#p87127
http://deskthority.net/photos-videos-f8/ibm-5954339-t4564.html - apparently Soarer did the micro replacement test at some point and I didn't even know about it. Sneaky Soarerses!
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/chinese-ibm-keyboard-proxy-t4688.html group buy
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/chinese-ibm-keyboard-proxy-round-2-t4913.html another group buy

So looks like probably usable with a bit of work if Soarer can chime in on the progress. Feel is decent enough for a linear (I've tried better, but far rarer switches), but for me it's more of an IBM curio as I'm not a linear fan at all, and prefer buckling springs and such :D
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 30 December 2013, 23:24:32
I have two, such wonderful switches.
I've seen three different cap variants for them as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: 127001 on Mon, 30 December 2013, 23:26:57
Really excellent information. I've added to the OP.

Do you know if MX caps will work with these switches?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: Parak on Mon, 30 December 2013, 23:37:05
Quote from: 127001 on Mon, 30 December 2013, 23:26:57
Really excellent information. I've added to the OP.

Do you know if MX caps will work with these switches?

No. The mount is relatively unique to this switch, though there are similar ones.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: pasph on Tue, 31 December 2013, 06:15:52
I have one and still waiting for a converter or some other trick...
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: mr_a500 on Tue, 31 December 2013, 07:43:21
I'd definitely want one of those if they were NIB and reasonably priced.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: RESPRiT on Tue, 31 December 2013, 11:40:50
How do the switches feel?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 31 December 2013, 12:24:42
yes please

how much?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: 127001 on Tue, 31 December 2013, 12:30:55
Quote from: TacticalStache on Tue, 31 December 2013, 12:24:42
yes please

how much?
Not sure yet, depends on the number of people interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 31 December 2013, 12:35:58
I'm interested, pending on price.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: jabar on Tue, 31 December 2013, 21:39:48
I am interested in maybe one Chinese and one Japanese if:

it's proxied to US (unlike the deskthority buy)
and the price is reasonable per
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: 127001 on Wed, 01 January 2014, 16:01:04
Quote from: jabar on Tue, 31 December 2013, 21:39:48
I am interested in maybe one Chinese and one Japanese if:

it's proxied to US (unlike the deskthority buy)
and the price is reasonable per

From what I understand these are located in the US.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: bazemk1979 on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:21:05
OP the there was a guy who was selling them in Chinese and Japan version keys for $17 + shipping, don't go overboard trying to double the investment on ur behalf.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:32:07
Quote from: bazemk1979 on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:21:05
OP the there was a guy who was selling them in Chinese and Japan version keys for $17 + shipping, don't go overboard trying to double the investment on ur behalf.

where?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: 127001 on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:37:14
Quote from: bazemk1979 on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:21:05
OP the there was a guy who was selling them in Chinese and Japan version keys for $17 + shipping, don't go overboard trying to double the investment on ur behalf.

I have no plans of making any money or even investing any money at all into this :P. I kinda just think it'd be cool if people got interested in these and a controller to make them usable got made.

The more people that have them the more likely that is to happen.

They just look so cool :D
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: E TwentyNine on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:41:19
Quote from: 127001 on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:37:14
Quote from: bazemk1979 on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:21:05
OP the there was a guy who was selling them in Chinese and Japan version keys for $17 + shipping, don't go overboard trying to double the investment on ur behalf.

I have no plans of making any money or even investing any money at all into this :P. I kinda just think it'd be cool if people got interested in these and a controller to make them usable got made.

The more people that have them the more likely that is to happen.

They just look so cool :D

I don't see how you're going to do much better than what the guy is selling them for now.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-IBM-Chinese-Japanese-102-Key-Keyboard-Part-6341739-RARE-FIND-Look-/151198958294

He'll drop the price a bit once they stop selling, or he'll put up a listing with multiple items available for a lower price and dump a bunch that way.

While I think it's a rare keyboard, I don't think the rarity makes it that appealing unless you simply want to put it on a shelf.  I do like the look of the keys.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: Soarer on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:49:51
Quote from: 127001 on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:37:14
I kinda just think it'd be cool if people got interested in these and a controller to make them usable got made.

The more people that have them the more likely that is to happen.

It already did (http://deskthority.net/post114200.html#p114200) ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: 127001 on Wed, 01 January 2014, 21:20:14
Quote from: Soarer on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:49:51
Quote from: 127001 on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:37:14
I kinda just think it'd be cool if people got interested in these and a controller to make them usable got made.

The more people that have them the more likely that is to happen.

It already did (http://deskthority.net/post114200.html#p114200) ;)

Oh that's really great :D
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: 127001 on Thu, 02 January 2014, 16:43:47
Okee Dokee, So I've just got a couple of these today and they really are just so strange...

The build quality is high enough but everything about it is just so different from all the other IBM boards I own. For instance, I feel like the body plastic is different, I have no means of proving this scientifically but it just sort of feels different when I touch it. These linear switches are a big change for me so I can't really form an opinion about them; I can't say I don't like them at least.

Other parts have me more baffled however. I don't quite understand the speaker, nevermind the volume control.

I really want to know when these were made... The case resembles that of those Model F's made for the baking industry but has features that were only found on the Model M's. On top of this there are the spherical key caps.

There are so many different time periods in this thing... I really like it.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: legodt on Fri, 03 January 2014, 18:52:50
That connector looks very painful to adapt to USB
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 03 January 2014, 19:59:23
Quote from: legodt on Fri, 03 January 2014, 18:52:50
That connector looks very painful to adapt to USB

solder wires onto teensy

convert scancodes to USB protocol

profit?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: jabar on Fri, 03 January 2014, 21:57:30
Have you floated the price point for a certain quantity to the vendor yet?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: 127001 on Fri, 03 January 2014, 22:01:17
The last group buy was 50 a piece +shipping. I think US people can maybe get it for about 45 + shipping. No guarantees though. I repeat: no guarantees. I'm going to wait untill after the weekend to talk to the guy about organizing this. Hoping more people express interest.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: E TwentyNine on Fri, 03 January 2014, 22:15:45
Quote from: 127001 on Fri, 03 January 2014, 22:01:17
The last group buy was 50 a piece +shipping. I think US people can maybe get it for about 45 + shipping. No guarantees though. I repeat: no guarantees. I'm going to wait untill after the weekend to talk to the guy about organizing this. Hoping more people express interest.

The guy is selling them today in single units for $35 BIN + $15 shipping, or a $25 starting bid (which I'm guessing is your bid on his current auction).

Why would anymore pay more in a group buy?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: 127001 on Fri, 03 January 2014, 22:19:25
Quote from: E TwentyNine on Fri, 03 January 2014, 22:15:45
Quote from: 127001 on Fri, 03 January 2014, 22:01:17
The last group buy was 50 a piece +shipping. I think US people can maybe get it for about 45 + shipping. No guarantees though. I repeat: no guarantees. I'm going to wait untill after the weekend to talk to the guy about organizing this. Hoping more people express interest.

The guy is selling them today in single units for $35 BIN + $15 shipping, or a $25 starting bid (which I'm guessing is your bid on his current auction).

Why would anymore pay more in a group buy?

I'm sorry I misspoke. From the convo's I've had it would be about the same at the BIN, perhaps cheaper. No guarantees about any of this though.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 04 January 2014, 22:39:52
The DT GB price was only $25/each, which is a fantastic price (see if you can talk him down to that in bulk) and I am totally down for 1 (or more) of each (if funds permit).

these keyboards have 1 diode per switch! yet another reason I want 'em.

Having tried tee mount alps (linear) I really enjoy them for a linear switch, I dont know how well they wear, as my other KB is also NIB, but they're great now.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 04 January 2014, 22:46:34
If they're cheap like that, I'd probably be in, especially if we can get them working on PS/2 or USB.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: mr_a500 on Sun, 05 January 2014, 09:57:25
Quote from: dorkvader on Sat, 04 January 2014, 22:39:52
The DT GB price was only $25/each, which is a fantastic price (see if you can talk him down to that in bulk) and I am totally down for 1 (or more) of each (if funds permit).

these keyboards have 1 diode per switch! yet another reason I want 'em.

Having tried tee mount alps (linear) I really enjoy them for a linear switch, I dont know how well they wear, as my other KB is also NIB, but they're great now.

There was a Deskthority group buy? (how the hell did I miss that??)

I love the vintage tee mount ALPS. I've seen it in TRS-80 Model III and the good version of TI-99/4a.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard
Post by: 127001 on Sun, 05 January 2014, 19:01:22
Okee dokee, so here is the deal:

So after talking with the seller he has said that he's willing to sell them for about $25 a piece if you contact him via email and pay via PayPal. This price does not included the cost of shipping. I have purchased one of the boards from him this way and will likely get the other missing part number from him in time.

PLEASE BE AWARE:
He doesn't double box them by default and it would only end up bringing up the shipping cost. There is really no reason for a second box in my opinion.

This guy has really gone out of his way to tell me about this product and has been nothing but helpful and very professional.

If you wish to purchase on of these boards please PM me and I will forward his contact info to you.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 07 January 2014, 01:31:51
Quote from: 127001 on Sun, 05 January 2014, 19:01:22
This guy has really gone out of his way to tell me about this product and has been nothing but helpful and very professional.
Just ordered two, and I want to echo 127001's statement here. This person has been very nice throughout all me correspondence with him. He comes off immediately as being a great guy. I love doing business with such excellent people.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: mr_a500 on Tue, 07 January 2014, 05:05:50
Quote from: dorkvader on Tue, 07 January 2014, 01:31:51
Quote from: 127001 on Sun, 05 January 2014, 19:01:22
This guy has really gone out of his way to tell me about this product and has been nothing but helpful and very professional.
Just ordered two, and I want to echo 127001's statement here. This person has been very nice throughout all me correspondence with him. He comes off immediately as being a great guy. I love doing business with such excellent people.

Yes, I agree. He was a pleasure to deal with - friendly and accommodating.

He appears to be the same seller for both the Deskthority group buys. It's a shame that they tried to get a partial refund on the second because he shipped in the original boxes. Most (normal) people would assume that a plain brown box isn't something collectible, so I can see why he might not think it a problem to ship without double boxing.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 07 January 2014, 15:17:20
I bought one as well. Guy is very polite, and sent me payment as soon as I told him it was ok to do so. Seems like he really cares about his customers.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 07 January 2014, 15:19:28
Quote from: TacticalStache on Tue, 07 January 2014, 15:17:20
I bought one as well. Guy is very polite, and sent me payment as soon as I told him it was ok to do so. Seems like he really cares about his customers.

link to the ebay listing?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 07 January 2014, 15:25:44
read the OP
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Tarzan on Thu, 09 January 2014, 16:20:27
Quote from: mr_a500 on Tue, 07 January 2014, 05:05:50
Quote from: dorkvader on Tue, 07 January 2014, 01:31:51
Quote from: 127001 on Sun, 05 January 2014, 19:01:22
This guy has really gone out of his way to tell me about this product and has been nothing but helpful and very professional.
Just ordered two, and I want to echo 127001's statement here. This person has been very nice throughout all me correspondence with him. He comes off immediately as being a great guy. I love doing business with such excellent people.

Yes, I agree. He was a pleasure to deal with - friendly and accommodating.

He appears to be the same seller for both the Deskthority group buys. It's a shame that they tried to get a partial refund on the second because he shipped in the original boxes. Most (normal) people would assume that a plain brown box isn't something collectible, so I can see why he might not think it a problem to ship without double boxing.

Completely agree with all the positive feedback for this seller; I ordered one in the Japanese layout on the 5th, and it was waiting for me at home today.  And the keyboard is pristine, even smells new when I opened the IBM box.  Probably hadn't been opened since it was boxed up after manufacture.  Amazing bit of history.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 09 January 2014, 16:22:10
What is the model number on yours, Tarzan?  Just confirming for myself "00" numpad models vs. "000" ones.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Tarzan on Thu, 09 January 2014, 16:47:39
Quote from: Photoelectric on Thu, 09 January 2014, 16:22:10
What is the model number on yours, Tarzan?  Just confirming for myself "00" numpad models vs. "000" ones.

[attach=1]

The number pad has a 0 and 00.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 09 January 2014, 16:49:30
Cool, that confirms it.  # 6112883 has a double zero and # 6112884 - triple zero.  I saw that on a Deskthority thread first, evaluating photographs posted there, but more confirmation is good.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 09 January 2014, 17:33:27
Got mine. Has a 00 on the numpad.

My mom hates the way it sounds, but I quite like it.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 09 January 2014, 17:36:24
Ohh could someone post a video with how the switches sound while typing?  Sorry if there's already one somewhere and I've missed it.  I really love the look of this keyboard, and the price is more than reasonable.  Just having a hard time justifying the length.  I'd love to just chop off the cluster on the right side.

Also, another question.  I've read on DT that the keyboard is very pingy while typing.  Has anyone tried to line it with foam yet to see if it makes a good difference?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 09 January 2014, 20:51:46
It's pingy as balls

I'll try and take it apart and do a foam mod this weekend if I'm not too occupied with my typewriter

And post a video
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 10 January 2014, 11:28:31
Quote from: Photoelectric on Thu, 09 January 2014, 17:36:24
Ohh could someone post a video with how the switches sound while typing?  Sorry if there's already one somewhere and I've missed it.  I really love the look of this keyboard, and the price is more than reasonable.  Just having a hard time justifying the length.  I'd love to just chop off the cluster on the right side.

Also, another question.  I've read on DT that the keyboard is very pingy while typing.  Has anyone tried to line it with foam yet to see if it makes a good difference?

I can confirm the 00 as well, I have a chinese and a japanese one, and the japanese 6112883 has the 0 00 . on the keypad.

As to the sound: remember the model F sound, I think you tried one. It had that ringing sound while typing. This one is much much worse. Louder ping, and lasts for longer before dying out. I think its' a function of the resonance cavity created with the PCB, metal plate and the sides of the case. It's basically closed. I am not convinced putting foam under the pcb will help. You might have to desolder (and unscrew) the PCB from the plate and put a custom cut acrylic filler in there, or maybe a bunch of cotton balls or something.

I'll see about making a video with my phone tonight.

Other than the "ping" sound, it's almost linear (there's a tactile feel, but it's pretty slight: less than cherry brown)and sounds a lot like the hall effect keyboards, with that nice "thock" sound at top-out. I like it.

The spacebar appears to be reversible, but I was unsuccessful in getting the stabilizer inserts out. not a huge deal, as the bottom row is less "sharp" as it's meant for thumbs instead of fingers: IBM thought of everything, it seems.

I love these keyboards, and will be modding mine soon for everyday use.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Tarzan on Fri, 10 January 2014, 12:44:38
Quote from: dorkvader on Fri, 10 January 2014, 11:28:31
Quote from: Photoelectric on Thu, 09 January 2014, 17:36:24
Ohh could someone post a video with how the switches sound while typing?  Sorry if there's already one somewhere and I've missed it.  I really love the look of this keyboard, and the price is more than reasonable.  Just having a hard time justifying the length.  I'd love to just chop off the cluster on the right side.

Also, another question.  I've read on DT that the keyboard is very pingy while typing.  Has anyone tried to line it with foam yet to see if it makes a good difference?

I can confirm the 00 as well, I have a chinese and a japanese one, and the japanese 6112883 has the 0 00 . on the keypad.

As to the sound: remember the model F sound, I think you tried one. It had that ringing sound while typing. This one is much much worse. Louder ping, and lasts for longer before dying out. I think its' a function of the resonance cavity created with the PCB, metal plate and the sides of the case. It's basically closed. I am not convinced putting foam under the pcb will help. You might have to desolder (and unscrew) the PCB from the plate and put a custom cut acrylic filler in there, or maybe a bunch of cotton balls or something.

I'll see about making a video with my phone tonight.

Other than the "ping" sound, it's almost linear (there's a tactile feel, but it's pretty slight: less than cherry brown)and sounds a lot like the hall effect keyboards, with that nice "thock" sound at top-out. I like it.

The spacebar appears to be reversible, but I was unsuccessful in getting the stabilizer inserts out. not a huge deal, as the bottom row is less "sharp" as it's meant for thumbs instead of fingers: IBM thought of everything, it seems.

I love these keyboards, and will be modding mine soon for everyday use.

It's my first keyboard that "sings," I really like it.  Like little bells, with a lingering tone...  makes me want to keep typing to keep it going.   ;D

Let me know how your modding efforts go, I've been looking at Soarer's thread and contemplating a slightly different approach (yeah, it's heresy, I know!).  It's almost a shame to tamper with the stock keyboard, but I'd rather use it than just stare at it on a shelf. 
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: pasph on Fri, 10 January 2014, 14:03:22
There's somewhere modding instructions?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Tarzan on Fri, 10 January 2014, 14:33:13
Quote from: pasph on Fri, 10 January 2014, 14:03:22
There's somewhere modding instructions?

It looks like Soarer made one work by hardwiring a Teensy in place of the PCB controller chip.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52888.msg1178183#msg1178183 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52888.msg1178183#msg1178183)

Page is a bit unclear, a lot of steps are just described briefly, but I'm going to take mine apart this weekend and see if I can follow along. 

Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 12 January 2014, 17:37:39
You can get the hardware wired up the same based just on the picture there, but you'll need to get some code to run on it. I think soarer is from the UK, and it's kind of late there, or I'd ask him about it.

Depending on the protocol used, it might be better / easier to just wire up an adapter, but I dont have a Logic analyzer or anything useful to be able to determine that.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: mr_a500 on Mon, 13 January 2014, 18:05:12
Quote from: TacticalStache on Thu, 09 January 2014, 20:51:46
It's pingy as balls

I'll try and take it apart and do a foam mod this weekend if I'm not too occupied with my typewriter

And post a video

I didn't know what you were talking about when you said "pingy as balls", but I just got mine today and I certainly noticed the ping. (...though I don't know who has balls that sound like that)

I actually find it quite annoying. I've got Model F keyboards, Model M, beam spring, even another ALPS keyboard with an identical switch, but none of them have the ping this thing does. I'm going to have to do something about that.

Does anybody notice a horrible smell coming from these keyboards? Mine smells like a combination of burnt rubber and cat piss. I hope the smell goes away soon. It reminds me of an Amiga 1000 keyboard I got free years ago because somebody's cat pissed on it.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 13 January 2014, 18:10:12
Mine should be arriving very soon.  I'll definitely play around with silencing options--laying down some foam will be the first step and thinking of how to fill less-accessible cavities is on the list after that.  I'll have to see what the most prominent contributing factors to the reverberation are first.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: mr_a500 on Mon, 13 January 2014, 18:10:41
About keycap swaps - the TRS-80 Model III keys fit on this keyboard (same ALPS switch), but there aren't enough keys to make it useful:
(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/10882)
(as seen on Deskthority)

I also have a version of the TI-99/4a with "T" shaped ALPS, but the "T" is thinner and smaller - so those keycaps won't fit.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 13 January 2014, 18:13:19
That's pretty cool ;)  I'd actually love to swap my Japanese Shift and Caps Lock with Chinese versions for icons, but dunno if anyone would consider that.  It's odd to have some legends as symbols / English and others be Asian words.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: mr_a500 on Mon, 13 January 2014, 18:21:24
Yeah, I'd prefer the icons too. The mixture looks strange - especially if I wanted to keep the TRS-80 keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: mr_a500 on Mon, 13 January 2014, 20:36:44
 :blank:
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: maxmalkav on Tue, 14 January 2014, 14:19:53
I'm unable to find the contact information of the seller anywhere :S I have checked the OP thrice and no way
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: 127001 on Tue, 14 January 2014, 14:21:15
Quote from: maxmalkav on Tue, 14 January 2014, 14:19:53
I'm unable to find the contact information of the seller anywhere :S I have checked the OP thrice and no way

Really? You read the whole thing?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: maxmalkav on Tue, 14 January 2014, 15:32:12
Ok, I will PM you  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Soarer on Tue, 14 January 2014, 19:48:04
Just posted a bit more info on modding these using my controller code here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50437.msg1193047#msg1193047) :D
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PURCHASE POSSIBLE]
Post by: Tarzan on Tue, 14 January 2014, 20:08:08
Quote from: Soarer on Tue, 14 January 2014, 19:48:04
Just posted a bit more info on modding these using my controller code here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50437.msg1193047#msg1193047) :D

Thanks for that lovely diagram, huge help in figuring out the connection layout!  I haven't had a chance to try out your converter code yet, this will be the first project I've done using that, I really appreciate all your guides!
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: mr_a500 on Tue, 14 January 2014, 20:50:27
Quote from: Soarer on Tue, 14 January 2014, 19:48:04
Just posted a bit more info on modding these using my controller code here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50437.msg1193047#msg1193047) :D

Thanks very much for this information, Soarer.  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 15 January 2014, 17:44:57
Mine has arrived!  Photo overload inc.  (This keyboard is so beautiful, I took a million photographs)

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Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: mr_a500 on Wed, 15 January 2014, 17:52:15
Lovely photos!
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 15 January 2014, 17:52:30
These are indeed beautiful keyboards!  I'm still hesitant to tear into the one I have to do the Teensy mod, which needs to be done if it's going to be functional.  Anyone know when these were made?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 15 January 2014, 21:03:45
Just tried layering some shelf liner--didn't really help with the pingy ringing.  Moreover, the tolerances between the final metal sheet and the case are very small, so I need to get some thinner liner (mine's quite thick, maybe around 2mm thick or more).  Looks like it needs spring lubrication to dampen the ringing, or else even some additional dampening under the plate.  By the time I get to fixing up a controller for it, I might desolder the switches--we'll see.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 15 January 2014, 22:37:03
I folded and bought one.  Now I'm wondering if I should get one of each flavor.  Is there a side by side of the Japanese and Chinese?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 15 January 2014, 22:42:00
Yeah, check out the Deskthority links in the first post.  There are photos of 4 varieties.  Chinese and Japanese, as well as "000" and "00" varieties.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 15 January 2014, 22:44:33
Quote from: Photoelectric on Wed, 15 January 2014, 22:42:00
Yeah, check out the Deskthority links in the first post.  There are photos of 4 varieties.  Chinese and Japanese, as well as "000" and "00" varieties.

I is blind.  Thanks.  I think I decided on the Chinese version.  It's more appealing to me for some reason.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 19 January 2014, 19:05:36
Ok, I was trying to see if I can open the switches from the top, but then my cheapo plastic keycap puller broke (these caps are tough!), and the proprietary metal puller seems to not want to go under the caps to pull them up.  I don't have any others :(  I was able to take off one cap to find that the Alps switches on this keyboard have two tabs on the left and right sides and I could shift them with a flat-head screwdriver.  Are those tabs holding the switch top?  If so, then perhaps the switch top can be opened to access the spring inside?  My goal is to get some Victorinox Multitool Oil in there for some vibration dampening. 

And now to get a new kecap puller...
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Parak on Sun, 19 January 2014, 19:33:20
Included keycap puller is for removal of transparent keycap tops. You want a regular wire keycap puller - the plastic ones are pretty bad. These switches cannot be opened when they're plate mounted as far as I am aware - see here (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_vintage_tee_mount).
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 19 January 2014, 19:45:14
Thanks for that link.  Looking at the internal arrangement of the switch, I can see now that it can't be opened without desoldering.  I don't even think the plate-mounted part matters here.  It's more that the central part of the switch is held down by the metal contact pins at the bottom.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: minium on Mon, 20 January 2014, 01:32:11
Quote from: Photoelectric on Wed, 15 January 2014, 17:44:57
Mine has arrived!  Photo overload inc.  (This keyboard is so beautiful, I took a million photographs)

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For me, it was the smell. I got the other variant. The noise of typing reminded me of my Mac 512k, but it's been a few years ;-)
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: mr_a500 on Mon, 20 January 2014, 11:29:00
Quote from: Parak on Sun, 19 January 2014, 19:33:20
Included keycap puller is for removal of transparent keycap tops. You want a regular wire keycap puller - the plastic ones are pretty bad.


I found that supplied keycap puller to be quite useful - not just for the tops, but for whole keycaps. I even used it on other keyboards. It's a bit awkward getting the first one off - must tilt sideways to get the "nubs" beneath the keycap - but after the first keycap is off, there's space to move and it's easy.

My regular keycap puller is a PC slot cover.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Tarzan on Mon, 20 January 2014, 20:57:37
Well, I've managed to get the keyboard working over USB, sort of...  I followed Soarer's modification page, but not having a spare processor socket, I soldered the Teensy directly to the PCB using pins and wiring.

[attach=1]

Then I bashed my way through loading Soarer's Converter code, and after much trial and error managed to load the 6112884.sc configuration file created for this keyboard.  It does work, after a fashion; i.e., pressing most keys returns some result.  Just not the one the key is labeled with.   :(

Not sure if my wiring is at fault, bad solder job, or if I missed a step in the code.  I'll try to troubleshoot the issues tomorrow, my error rate gets pretty high the later I try to work.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Soarer on Mon, 20 January 2014, 21:46:29
Yeah, you've got the 4 wires for the muxstrobe wrong :(  You could either redo those wires or swap lines around in the config to fix it. The 4-bit binary code for the muxstrobe is reversed, so some lines should be correct already (0, 6, 9 and 15), while others need swapping in pairs (1 and 8, 2 and 4, 3 and 12, 5 and 10, 7 and 14, 11 and 13).
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Tarzan on Tue, 21 January 2014, 05:24:14
Quote from: Soarer on Mon, 20 January 2014, 21:46:29
Yeah, you've got the 4 wires for the muxstrobe wrong :(  You could either redo those wires or swap lines around in the config to fix it. The 4-bit binary code for the muxstrobe is reversed, so some lines should be correct already (0, 6, 9 and 15), while others need swapping in pairs (1 and 8, 2 and 4, 3 and 12, 5 and 10, 7 and 14, 11 and 13).

Oh, I see what I did!  I thought my wiring was a bit, er, symmetrical!   :))

Let me open it up and re-do those four wires, give it another test.  If I'm understanding your picture and matching diagram, the wires on the top left, reading L-to-R, should map to; VCC - F7 - F6 - F5 - F4.  I got VCC right, but reversed the order for the remaining four. 

Thanks for the feedback!
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Soarer on Tue, 21 January 2014, 05:51:11
Yes, that's right. But since those wires might not be long enough now, it might be easier to change the config!
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Tarzan on Tue, 21 January 2014, 06:12:41
Quote from: Soarer on Tue, 21 January 2014, 05:51:11
Yes, that's right. But since those wires might not be long enough now, it might be easier to change the config!

No worries, I've got lots of wire.  :-)  And...  I'm typing this post on the keyboard now, just have to button up the case.  (I always wanted to say that!)

Thanks so much for all your help!   

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This is the first keyboard I've successfully managed to make work via software, all my other efforts bogged down at that penultimate step.  I really appreciate all your step-by-step guides, gives me confidence I can try this again!   :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Soarer on Tue, 21 January 2014, 06:41:12
Yay! :D

Actually, I was worried more about the soldering at the Teensy end, since it's pinned down, but you managed it!

Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Soarer on Tue, 21 January 2014, 06:47:34
The Pro Micro also has a decent pin arrangement for use as a replacement CPU for these, using PD1 down to PB5 for the sense pins. Obviously the flying leads would be arranged slightly differently, but still using PF4 to PF7.

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Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Tarzan on Tue, 21 January 2014, 07:25:52
One tip for anyone using pins or similar to affix the Teensy: try to find a cable with the smallest possible mini-USB connector.  There are a couple of blue resistors (?) right near the USB socket on the Teensy when it's in place on the PCB that make it difficult to insert and remove the cable.  I had good luck using the cable that came with a Keycool keyboard.

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Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Soarer on Tue, 21 January 2014, 07:32:00
That's true, even with a socket that still ended up a bit tight there. Using longer pins as stilts should help - I think there's plenty of space above the CPU.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 23 January 2014, 21:47:16
Quote from: mr_a500 on Mon, 13 January 2014, 20:36:44
I think this layout is better. I just have to print off some legends for those blank keys.

(Attachment Link)

I see your TRS-80 III and raise you one heathkit/zenith
[attach=1]

Once my DIP sockets arrive, you can expect another success story from me. As to the size of USB cables, I plan to just make one, and unhoused USB connectors are really small.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Pac Caps on Thu, 23 January 2014, 22:15:08
How do these linear vintage alps feel? How do they feel compared to blacks, vintage blacks, and hall effect linears? Also are there tactile boards of this kind?

And if I buy a board, how easy is it to program it to work with USB?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 24 January 2014, 09:05:32
I just got mine the other day.  It's a nice feeling board with some heft to it, but damn, I forgot how short 3.5mm is.  You bottom out with these before you even realize it.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: mr_a500 on Fri, 24 January 2014, 10:06:11
Quote from: dorkvader on Thu, 23 January 2014, 21:47:16

I see your TRS-80 III and raise you one heathkit/zenith
(Attachment Link)

Once my DIP sockets arrive, you can expect another success story from me. As to the size of USB cables, I plan to just make one, and unhoused USB connectors are really small.

Nice. I see your Heathkit has most of the keys you need. Even though those match the original dark beige better, I'd prefer black or dark brown. I've never liked beige. (reminds me of the awful 90's)

I see you also have brown "Help" and "Esc". Ooh... I want those.  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 25 January 2014, 00:59:31
Got mine working as well, thanks very much to a sleepy soarer in IRC.

One thing about the grey zenith/heath keycaps is that they are not bit paired, whereas the IBM ones are.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: ebacho on Sat, 25 January 2014, 01:13:41
Quote from: Pac Caps on Thu, 23 January 2014, 22:15:08
How do these linear vintage alps feel? How do they feel compared to blacks, vintage blacks, and hall effect linears? Also are there tactile boards of this kind?

And if I buy a board, how easy is it to program it to work with USB?

No idea about hall effect, but they're definitely lighter than stock blacks/vintage blacks.  They're more closer to reds/62g blacks maybe, with a shorter travel.  It's very pingy, as people have pointed out. 

You can find converter info in the previous few posts; I haven't gotten mine working yet but that's only because I keep putting off buying another teensy.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 31 January 2014, 16:56:53
I vote for a new slogan:  "If you think you know what ping is--you don't--until you get this keyboard.  It pings before you even begin typing!"

 ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: mr_a500 on Sat, 01 February 2014, 09:45:06
I just looked at it as I walked by and I could swear I heard a ping.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: xavierblak on Fri, 20 June 2014, 11:09:47
Sorry for bumping an old thread.   :-[

I missed this thread when it was active. Does anyone know if these boards are still available? I sent a PM but didn't get a response.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Parak on Fri, 20 June 2014, 11:24:39
I know there's a few floading around here and deskthority in particular. THink someone had one for sale on DT as recent as last week or something.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 20 June 2014, 12:21:13
Quote from: xavierblak on Fri, 20 June 2014, 11:09:47
Sorry for bumping an old thread.   :-[

I missed this thread when it was active. Does anyone know if these boards are still available? I sent a PM but didn't get a response.

You've got a PM :)
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: mastermachetier on Tue, 09 February 2016, 21:55:06
Are there still any of these keyboards around ?
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: HPE1000 on Tue, 09 February 2016, 22:19:38
So... I've been thinking recently, does anyone think it is possible to chop this to a 60% size? I am not sure how that would work out as far as the PCB. I obviously dont want to chop up my only one to test.


Quote from: mastermachetier on Tue, 09 February 2016, 21:55:06
Are there still any of these keyboards around ?
Yeah

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIB-IBM-Japanese-Lettering-Typing-Computer-102-Keyboard-Letter-Type-6112884-/380994210683?hash=item58b5064b7b:g:V~wAAOSwd4tUDzoy
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIB-IBM-Chinese-Lettering-Typing-Computer-102-Keyboard-Letter-Type-Model-6113442-/381019318430?hash=item58b685689e:g:oQYAAOSwPe1UDyRq
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: mastermachetier on Tue, 09 February 2016, 22:29:22
Quote from: HPE1000 on Tue, 09 February 2016, 22:19:38
So... I've been thinking recently, does anyone think it is possible to chop this to a 60% size? I am not sure how that would work out as far as the PCB. I obviously dont want to chop up my only one to test.


Quote from: mastermachetier on Tue, 09 February 2016, 21:55:06
Are there still any of these keyboards around ?
Yeah

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIB-IBM-Japanese-Lettering-Typing-Computer-102-Keyboard-Letter-Type-6112884-/380994210683?hash=item58b5064b7b:g:V~wAAOSwd4tUDzoy
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIB-IBM-Chinese-Lettering-Typing-Computer-102-Keyboard-Letter-Type-Model-6113442-/381019318430?hash=item58b685689e:g:oQYAAOSwPe1UDyRq

thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Wed, 10 February 2016, 06:24:16
Quote from: HPE1000 on Tue, 09 February 2016, 22:19:38
So... I've been thinking recently, does anyone think it is possible to chop this to a 60% size? I am not sure how that would work out as far as the PCB. I obviously dont want to chop up my only one to test.


It definitely is possible, but you have to scrap the PCB and hand wire. I'm working on one right now, I'll post a write up when I'm done.
Title: Re: [IC] Rare IBM, Cool Switch, Awesome Keyboard [PM FOR PURCHASE][NEW CONTROLLER]
Post by: HPE1000 on Thu, 11 February 2016, 23:39:09
Quote from: mastermachetier on Tue, 09 February 2016, 22:29:22
Quote from: HPE1000 on Tue, 09 February 2016, 22:19:38
So... I've been thinking recently, does anyone think it is possible to chop this to a 60% size? I am not sure how that would work out as far as the PCB. I obviously dont want to chop up my only one to test.


Quote from: mastermachetier on Tue, 09 February 2016, 21:55:06
Are there still any of these keyboards around ?
Yeah

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIB-IBM-Japanese-Lettering-Typing-Computer-102-Keyboard-Letter-Type-6112884-/380994210683?hash=item58b5064b7b:g:V~wAAOSwd4tUDzoy
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIB-IBM-Chinese-Lettering-Typing-Computer-102-Keyboard-Letter-Type-Model-6113442-/381019318430?hash=item58b685689e:g:oQYAAOSwPe1UDyRq

thanks!
No problem! :)

Quote from: Dernubenfrieken on Wed, 10 February 2016, 06:24:16
Quote from: HPE1000 on Tue, 09 February 2016, 22:19:38
So... I've been thinking recently, does anyone think it is possible to chop this to a 60% size? I am not sure how that would work out as far as the PCB. I obviously dont want to chop up my only one to test.


It definitely is possible, but you have to scrap the PCB and hand wire. I'm working on one right now, I'll post a write up when I'm done.
Sounds cool, I have wanted to try hand wiring a keyboard but it seems like such a daunting task.