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geekhack Marketplace => Interest Checks => Topic started by: Anorexious on Sat, 25 March 2023, 06:48:05
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(https://i.imgur.com/CtOwQHP.jpg)
VØID
65% Top Mount + O-Ring Keyboard
0. Status
Prototype #4 is currently being tested, no improvement is needed, will proceed to the production unit soon.
Our target is to launch the group buy phase in Q1 2024.
1. Intro
Hello everyone! Allow me to introduce Void, a 65% layout mechanical keyboard kit heavily inspired with a dual mounting system, top mount and o-ring mount.
Void provides an adjustable typing experience that allows users to customize the stiffness and sound characteristics. Users can choose between a top mount for a stiffer typing experience and sound, or an o-ring mount for a softer typing experience and isolated sound.
Interest check is now open. Your input will be very valuable.
(https://i.imgur.com/3em4I39.png) (https://forms.gle/DBUchjJJSsagoSFt7)
2. Index
0. STATUS
1. INTRO
2. INDEX
3. DESIGN
4. SPECIFICATIONS
5. CONSTRUCTIONS
6. DIMENSIONS
7. MOUNTING SYSTEM
8. COLOR OPTIONS
9. LAYOUT
10. PRICING
11. VENDOR
12. MEDIA & TYPING TEST
13. DESIGN CHANGELOG
14. KEEP IN LOOP
3. Design
With a design language similar to my past work on the stacked acrylic keyboard Vertizon (http://anorexus.design/), Vøid offers an aggressive look while still maintaining a clean design.
Render Images
(https://i.imgur.com/1VX7wn7.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/OEJGyA0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lcyCm5B.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/xlknI7A.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4tOQGyj.jpg)
Prototype photos
Prototype #4 Polycarbonate (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=119895.msg3176642#msg3176642)
Prototype #4 Red and Blue (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=119895.msg3176916#msg3176916)
Prototype #3 (https://imgur.com/a/oFFyEC1)
Prototype #2 (https://imgur.com/a/f9ymW7E)
Prototype #1 (https://imgur.com/a/eWfPVLU)
4. Specifications
Vøid Specifications:
- Layout: 65%
- Mounting system: Top mount and gummy o-ring mount
- Typing Angle: 7.5°
- Effective keyboard height: 23.35mm
- Materials: Aluminum 6063, Copper Bottom Plate, Stainless Steel Rear Bumper
- Plate: 1.5mm Aluminium, Polycarbonate, POM, Carbon Fiber, FR4 (1.6mm)
- PCB: In-house design PCB void65 1.6mm thickness solder or hot-swap - configurable with QMK/VIA
Parts included with the kit:
- Keyboard case: (Top case, Bottom case, Rear bumper, Bottom plate)
- Selection plate (Aluminium, Polycarbonate, POM, Carbon Fiber, FR4)
- 1.6mm Hotswap/Solder PCB; layout information will be shared later
- Daughterboard JST Cable
- 1x O-ring (50a)
- 4x Custom-designed rubber feet
- Plate support switch comb/fork
- Hand-carry keyboard bag
- Other accessories
5. Constructions
(https://i.imgur.com/XJuRltr.jpg)
Vøid consist 4 major parts:
1. Top case with aluminum 6063
2. Bottom case with aluminum 6063
3. Rear bumper with aluminum 6063 or Stainless steel
4. Chassis/bottom cover with aluminum 6063 or Copper
(https://i.imgur.com/1GUPAat.jpg)
In the 4th iteration, we optimized the height of the overall board to find the ideal typing height, as we believe typing height would be a crucial factor in achieving comfortable typing. We reduced the EKH height from 25.49mm in the previous iteration to 23.35mm, which is a decrease of approximately 2.14mm.
We also added some gutter to optimize the travel distance for SMT components from the PCB, such as diodes, micro controller, and hotswap sockets, while keeping the overall board volume.
6. Dimensions
(https://i.imgur.com/kWReA2s.png)
7. Mounting System
Top mount
With 7 mounting point
(https://i.imgur.com/rDKrwMd.png)
O-ring
Friction fits o-ring mount with inner wall for isolated sound
(https://i.imgur.com/wsIBeQb.png)
8. Color Options
We are currently exploring the color options. Here's the early concept of the color selections. There might be changes in the future, to be announced.
Black
(https://i.imgur.com/NeEi5mV.jpg)
White
(https://i.imgur.com/ksZT7Yo.jpg)
Brown
(https://i.imgur.com/gs8LIZZ.jpg)
Red
(https://i.imgur.com/5clgC29.jpg)
Polycarbonate
(https://i.imgur.com/UHycbSQ.jpg)
Raw look
The exterior of the aluminium will have a raw look with machine marks. To prevent oxidation, we will apply a clear coat.
(https://i.imgur.com/pJeIhZU.jpg)
All Black
The original idea of an aluminum rear bumper and bottom case will still be offered.
(https://i.imgur.com/9ukXK1f.jpg)
9. Layout
(https://i.imgur.com/cfz25Ru.png)
Solder layout provides more flexibility, including stepped Caps Lock, ISO, split Backspace, 7u + 6.25u spacebar, and the "cursed" layout. The cursed layout allows users who don't like arrow keys to experience the Void.
(https://i.imgur.com/z57njls.png)
While hotswap will offer less flexibility compared to the solder version, it still supports stepped caps lock and split backspace compatibility.
10. Pricing
Alu Kit: est $275
Copper SS kit: est $350.
11. Vendor
USA and Rest of the world: Click Clack (https://clickclack.io/)
United Kingdom: Prototypist (https://prototypist.net/)
Europe: Delta Key (https://deltakeyco.com/)
Indonesia: Kukey Studio (https://kukey.studio/)
Singapore: Ktechs (https://ktechs.store/)
Thailand: Aiglatson Studio (https://aiglatsonstudio.com/)
Vietnam: Uniqmeck Store (https://uniqmeck.store/)
Australia & Oceania: All Caps (https://allcaps.store//)
Other vendor: TBA
12. Media and Typing Test
fl__twhite build stream (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2006515078)
edwardtanujayaa build and typing test (https://www.instagram.com/p/C1Erbf8P4OE/)
Anorexus typing test (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=119895.msg3176977#msg3176977)
13. Design changelog
Prototype#4
1. Redesign bottom case for lower typing height
2. Add gutter for better clearance and travel distance for smt component on the PCB
Prototype #3
1. Add inner wall for friction fit o-ring
2. Try other material than aluminium, such as copper, stainless steel, and carbon fiber
Prototype #2
1. Remove gasket leaf mount options
2. Redesign exterior design due to leaf mount removal, side bezel is thinner
3. Custom molded rubber feet
4. Changed case screw size from M2.5 to M3
5. Move jst cable gutter to back side of the case for better cable management
Prototype #1
1. Initially, Void is designed to support multiple mounting such as gasket leaf mount that supports poron, silicone socks, and silicone gasket.
14. Keep in loop
Any feedback and question are welcomed!
Interest check still open to get better insight on how much interest of this project and your region
Your inputs will be very valuable to determine price and vendor partners
(https://i.imgur.com/3em4I39.png) (https://forms.gle/DBUchjJJSsagoSFt7)
Follow our instagram (https://www.instagram.com/anorexus.design/?hl=en)
Join our discord (https://discord.com/invite/kCErNNDwEN)server
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Is there a bottom weight?
If there is, what's the material?
GLWIC!
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Very nice design. What layouts will the PCB support?
GLWIC
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Is there a bottom weight?
If there is, what's the material?
GLWIC!
Still exploring, currently we only focus on aluminum 6063 for all parts
Very nice design. What layouts will the PCB support?
GLWIC
Will share, there will be hotswap and solder
hotswap supports step caps, split backspace, tsangan bottom
while solder should covers all hotswap layouts + 6.25u spacebar, ISO backspace, split L shift
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GLWIC. Great board!
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Very nice! How tall is the front height? (EKH as well)
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Looks great!
GLWIC.
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Is 1.5mm PCB a mistake? Please consider using 1.6mm (or 1.2mm if you must).
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Looks great!
GLWIC.
Will provide later
Is 1.5mm PCB a mistake? Please consider using 1.6mm (or 1.2mm if you must).
Yes it's a typo, I use 1.6mm
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this is amazing, consider brass or ss weight :D
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Thanks for including more info on the layouts the PCB will report. That cursed hotswap PCB looks crazy.
Might want to consider updating the IC form to ask people if they have any suggestions or comments on the board (like different weights options) or to ask them which version they'd buy (e.g. hotswap, solder). Also, not sure why you're asking people for their real name on the IC.
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Thanks for including more info on the layouts the PCB will report. That cursed hotswap PCB looks crazy.
Might want to consider updating the IC form to ask people if they have any suggestions or comments on the board (like different weights options) or to ask them which version they'd buy (e.g. hotswap, solder). Also, not sure why you're asking people for their real name on the IC.
Fair point for name field, previously we have it on our local community, it's removed now
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amazing design, cannot wait to get this board !
I'm pretty interesting also with the sound, especially with the spacebar.
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Since it's inspired by automotive design, I hope we'll get a Ferrari red option
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sadly the target price is way out of my range especially if the taxes included.
anyways GLWIC
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sadly the target price is way out of my range especially if the taxes included.
anyways GLWIC
I think the price is already fair, considering it's a 4-part machined case, almost impossible to get lower than this price unless the MOQ is above 500 or more
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Looking good
GLWIC
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Since it's inspired by automotive design, I hope we'll get a Ferrari red option
To achieve Ferarri red color I think it would need electrophoersis coat instead of anodization, currently we limited on that
but we're not limiting for any possibilities, we had exploration on red color as you can check here (https://imgur.com/a/ay8QbGc)
sadly the target price is way out of my range especially if the taxes included.
anyways GLWIC
sadly the target price is way out of my range especially if the taxes included.
anyways GLWIC
I think the price is already fair, considering it's a 4-part machined case, almost impossible to get lower than this price unless the MOQ is above 500 or more
Yes for the pricing unfortunatelly it's really difficult to lower the price considering it has 4 parts for the case it self
We initiate this thread is to meassure the demand, at this stage with current IC data, we only confident producing 100pcs
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sadly the target price is way out of my range especially if the taxes included.
anyways GLWIC
I think the price is already fair, considering it's a 4-part machined case, almost impossible to get lower than this price unless the MOQ is above 500 or more
im aware and im not asking to bring the price down. im just saying its sadly impossible for me to buy
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way too expensive for an all alu board, need at least brass weight for the price
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way too expensive for an all alu board, need at least brass weight for the price
this. nonetheless the design is very sleek and I like it a lot.
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way too expensive for an all alu board, need at least brass weight for the price
way too expensive for an all alu board, need at least brass weight for the price
this. nonetheless the design is very sleek and I like it a lot.
Point taken, I understand the concern and we will figure this out although it’s difficult as we mentioned the reason earlier, but we understand the pricing could be better so we will working on that
Also yes we exploring other material as well
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I dig the board. Well done, good luck!
Something I just noticed,
I think you should poll for skeleton plate, vs non. :D
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I dig the board. Well done, good luck!
Something I just noticed,
I think you should poll for skeleton plate, vs non. :D
might update this, especially for flex materials such as Polycarbonate, POM, etc
The flex-cut design is for stiffer materials such as aluminum, carbon fiber, etc to make it less rigid and achieve acoustic that we desire
as stated above, the default plate will be polycarbonate but we planning to provide more materials to play with
more updates on the content will come time to time
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love the side profile
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I dig the board. Well done, good luck!
Something I just noticed,
I think you should poll for skeleton plate, vs non. :D
might update this, especially for flex materials such as Polycarbonate, POM, etc
The flex-cut design is for stiffer materials such as aluminum, carbon fiber, etc to make it less rigid and achieve acoustic that we desire
as stated above, the default plate will be polycarbonate but we planning to provide more materials to play with
more updates on the content will come time to time
Sure sure, something you could always do is just demonstrate skeleton plate vs non. Give the people some insight.
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Really dope. Keep updating :) GLWIC
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saw the proto on instagram, INSANE
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saw the proto on instagram, INSANE
Thanks, haven't got time to update the thread ;D
For quick updates I mostly update it on my instagram by the way, for complete log on discord channel
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Is the intention for this board to come with an ISO compatible plate, or to offer an ISO compatible plate for for sale as an extra? I notice the prototype 3 board has an ANSI only plate installed.
Really hope this isn't going to be another instance of a board with an ISO compatible PCB, but an ANSI only plate.
BTW prototype 3 looks fantastic.
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Is the intention for this board to come with an ISO compatible plate, or to offer an ISO compatible plate for for sale as an extra? I notice the prototype 3 board has an ANSI only plate installed.
Really hope this isn't going to be another instance of a board with an ISO compatible PCB, but an ANSI only plate.
BTW prototype 3 looks fantastic.
I tried a lot of plates till losing counts but since proto #2, we already supports ISO, in #3 we supports 6.25u
changes log is scattered right now since I'm focusing on finalizing the design but once finallized I will provide better clarity on everything
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Great to hear the board will support ISO builds. Good luck finalizing the design.
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The layout of the most right row is interesting!
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Could you do 2.75 + 1.5 + 2.75 for the spacebar as well?
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Personally I'd much prefer the cursed layout to be on the solder PCB only.
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Personally I'd much prefer the cursed layout to be on the solder PCB only.
after several test and few design iteration, yes we might change the cursed layout to solder PCB only due to interference on R3 and pcb clearance issue on hotswap version
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Looks awesome! If a dark gray color comes out ill buy it! I hope that after the first round of just all black you offer a second round of different colors.
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love the all black look, great renders too!
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PROTOTYPE #4
Polycarbonate
(https://i.imgur.com/uGO2vEY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pyHnvT2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NonmZqq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vd5Oxpe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/D0vIvZe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mJiSvRu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qkvNjiu.jpg)
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Good to see this is still alive: I thought maybe you'd lost interest and moved into the Øbliviate.
Are there more rounds of prototypes planned, or will you be progressing with a GB soon?
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Good to see this is still alive: I thought maybe you'd lost interest and moved into the Øbliviate.
Are there more rounds of prototypes planned, or will you be progressing with a GB soon?
Haha sorry to keep waiting, still not sure if we need another round of prototype, we will test it first before deciding
Can't say when the GB start for now
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Any plans on european vendors? Very excited for this board. GLWIC!
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been following since this was posted. really enjoy this design, especially the all black! i would prob have to opt for the all alu to achieve this.
have you thought about offering any coating/PVD for the stainless steel/copper parts? i'm good either way, just a possible option for those who want the increased weight of copper or brass.
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Any plans on european vendors? Very excited for this board. GLWIC!
No plan yet
been following since this was posted. really enjoy this design, especially the all black! i would prob have to opt for the all alu to achieve this.
have you thought about offering any coating/PVD for the stainless steel/copper parts? i'm good either way, just a possible option for those who want the increased weight of copper or brass.
We want to keep options simple as of now
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Haha sorry to keep waiting, still not sure if we need another round of prototype, we will test it first before deciding
Can't say when the GB start for now
That's fair enough. Better to get the board right than rush it. I'm expecting great things after all these iterative revisions and rounds of prototypes.
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Any plans on european vendors? Very excited for this board. GLWIC!
No plan yet
That's a shame, but understandable. Please consider it if possible.
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The cursed layout is actually awesome IMO, never thought of it, but using the 2 long stabilized keys from numpad kits fits the 65% right column perfectly!
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That's fair enough. Better to get the board right than rush it. I'm expecting great things after all these interactive revisions and rounds of prototypes.
Hopefully this is the last so we can wrap it soon
That's a shame, but understandable. Please consider it if possible.
For sure
The cursed layout is actually awesome IMO, never thought of it, but using the 2 long stabilized keys from numpad kits fits the 65% right column perfectly!
Thanks a lot
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I don't mind if you don't get a European vendor in particular, but please ensure at least one vendor you get is capable of shipping to Europe! (I don't mind paying international shipping with a reputable courier like DHL or something.)
I'd absolutely love a polycarbonate one. IC done. Couldn't vote for PC in the form but that's lovely to see.
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I don't mind if you don't get a European vendor in particular, but please ensure at least one vendor you get is capable of shipping to Europe! (I don't mind paying international shipping with a reputable courier like DHL or something.)
I'd absolutely love a polycarbonate one. IC done. Couldn't vote for PC in the form but that's lovely to see.
Our lead vendor is Clickclack, will update on the thread
They have experience shipping to the rest of the world
I might need to discuss for which vendor we will work with near the GB
We always open for discussion for vendors who interested to work together
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Neo 65 has same engraving on the back. Just saying.
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Neo 65 has same engraving on the back. Just saying.
Finally, someone brought this topic up, I had anticipated this kind of statement for a very long time
I assume you are new to this thread, so let me explain a bit for some context in case there's a similar statement in the future
We started VØID project in late 2022, first Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl7_H8XP6u5/?img_index=1) post December 9, 2022, Geekhack thread started on 25 March 2023. As AFAIK Neo's first post on Instagram about Neo 65 is on May 28, 2023.
This is not who used the logo first game, for sure we lost since they released it earlier than us. Since we used the logo the very first time for the project, it's quite difficult to change it now because all our product lines use this logo (DØCK, DESØLATION, ØBLIVIATE, etc).
While having similarities, it's not 1:1 same. We also spoke with Syrah as Owlabs and QK representatives just to avoid issues in the future about these similarities
Although we have similar vision regarding the logo, we still believe we offer something different from product perspective
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PROTOTYPE #4
Red and Bluee
(https://i.imgur.com/REWDCLw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/L4bzrT5.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/r3SmQGY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PYw9eVT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ur2A5lj.jpgg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uBInGTx.jpg)
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Typing testPolycarbonate Alu plate Cherry MX Black Top mountBlue - POM plate Popu Top mountRed - PC plate BCP Oring mount
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Those new protos look amazing!
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December updates
Vendor updates
We are excited to announce our vendor partners
USA and Rest of the world: Click Clack (https://clickclack.io/)
United Kingdom: Prototypist (https://prototypist.net/)
Europe: Delta Key (https://deltakeyco.com/)
Indonesia: Kukey Studio (https://kukey.studio/)
Singapore: Ktechs (https://ktechs.store/)
Thailand: Aiglatson Studio (https://aiglatsonstudio.com/)
Vietnam: Uniqmeck Store (https://uniqmeck.store/)
Australia & Oceania: All Caps (https://allcaps.store//)
Other vendor: TBA
Build stream and video
(https://i.imgur.com/EfKi5Jb.png) (https://www.instagram.com/p/C1Erbf8P4OE/)
Instagram: @edwardtanudjaja (https://www.instagram.com/p/C1Erbf8P4OE/)
(https://i.imgur.com/K7v9cu8.png) (https://www.instagram.com/p/C1Erbf8P4OE/)
Twitch: fl__twhite (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2006515078/)
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good keyboard, futuristic, and top mounted!