[IC] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (GB start)

[yicaoyimu]

I need a polycarb board in my collection! Please make it happen  )

[etong415]

If you have the time to fully assemble a prototype, could you possibly post a typing video?


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[ian13]

Hopefully, this would support universal 60% PCB so we can choose whatever PCB we want to use as well as ease of replacement if anything happens.
But it would still be okay if you decide to have a proprietary PCB with a center port location. 

I would just like to clarify some things:
     1. For the type of gasket, have you decided on the thickness as well as the hardness of the rubber that you will use?
     2. I am also a bit concerned on the sides of the plate (left and right) without the rubber gaskets. I hope the tolerances will be tight enough so that it won't touch the bottom and top halves of the case when fully
         mounted/screwed.


Hmm... Also, is it too early to ask for the timeline (at least rough estimate) of this gb? Slightly excited on that PC gasket-mount board. 
Anyhow, good luck!

[senter]

Any more info on the gaskets?

The gaskets I'm testing are 1.5mm thick clear strips. The screws will go through the bottom case, one gasket, plate, another gasket, then the top case.

[senter]

Another thing that would be interesting is if the weight is the same as the leaf 80. That way they are replaceable / swappable.

The weights are same.

[senter]

Hopefully, this would support universal 60% PCB so we can choose whatever PCB we want to use as well as ease of replacement if anything happens.
But it would still be okay if you decide to have a proprietary PCB with a center port location. 

I would just like to clarify some things:
     1. For the type of gasket, have you decided on the thickness as well as the hardness of the rubber that you will use?
     2. I am also a bit concerned on the sides of the plate (left and right) without the rubber gaskets. I hope the tolerances will be tight enough so that it won't touch the bottom and top halves of the case when fully
         mounted/screwed.


Hmm... Also, is it too early to ask for the timeline (at least rough estimate) of this gb? Slightly excited on that PC gasket-mount board. 
Anyhow, good luck!

Thanks.

1.  The thickness is 1.5mm. Rubber strips are not as springy as rubber rings. I don't know how to measure it tho.
2.  It's not gonna happen at least for aluminum plates. I'll test the PC plates later. I assume there won't be any problems.

I'm planning to launch the GB before CNY and estimation of the shipping date is in April.

[Vigrith]

I'm planning to launch the GB before CNY and estimation of the shipping date is in April.

Very nice, look forward to it!

[ian13]

CNY is just around the corner! Looking forward to it!

[dantambok]

Woah that means this will run very soon. Cant wait!

[PikaJoyce]

Also very interested in the PC version!

[hhkbp2]

Any more info on the gaskets?

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The gaskets I'm testing are 1.5mm thick clear strips. The screws will go through the bottom case, one gasket, plate, another gasket, then the top case.

The prototype looks really nice. Would love to see its typing video.

[blizzara01]

PC is more expensive than alu, right? Might try PC

[Vigrith]

PC is more expensive than alu, right? Might try PC

Boards that offer both generally have them at the same price point, though a couple well known manufacturers have stated PC is generally slightly harder to machine than aluminium.

[mnpq.raven]

Is there an estimated quantity of units you're going to sell ? Interested in the board especially the Pc version and E-coating

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[ArchDill]

https://imgur.com/a/abfRyVH



Whew....

[DJSwayde]

Has it been decided whether a universal or proprietary PCB will be used?

[juaninamilli]

That looks amazing! Where did these images come from?

https://imgur.com/a/abfRyVH



Whew....

[ArchDill]

That looks amazing! Where did these images come from?

https://imgur.com/a/abfRyVH



Whew....

These were posted on Reddit

[reidd]

Definitely interested. Trying to decide on a color 

[8six753o9]

Very interested in the PC version or maybe yellow if that option is available. Would it be possible to have a hhkb plate like this?




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[mnpq.raven]

Or leave the plate as is and not cutting the 2 corners would be also nice ! I think it'd be just as attractive

[cijanzen]

Very interested in the PC version or maybe yellow if that option is available. Would it be possible to have a hhkb plate like this?

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+1 for this! That plate design would loook beautiful with PC. It might be too late but I’d throw in my vote for universal PCB even though it detracts from the aesthetic. At the same time a proprietary PCB would not stop me from entering the gb. Looking forward to seeing where this goes!

[appaboy]

I need more polycarb in my life please!

[dimo]

If we could get some custom colored plates for the PC version, it’d look really good showing through the polycarb imo

[Visionaire]

Wow, the PC version looking so nice.

[Dovan1405]

okie i take one polycarb thanks.

[FunTyme]

These look so nice. Might have to pick one up for myself

[pixelpusher]

Yes, the PC one looks great!  It just scares me to go with that option because I hear about stripped threads and loose screws.  Will have to think on it.

[asury]

Very interested in the PC version or maybe yellow if that option is available. Would it be possible to have a hhkb plate like this?

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Wow is that Sidewinder’s PC plate? where did you get that from?

Regarding the Leaf60 PC, I’m also looking forward to pick one up if it’s available later


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[dado brat]

looks promising. what is the weight on either of them with brass plate?

[ossetepo]

Are you using threaded inserts for screws on the polycarb version, or are the screw holes tapped directly into the PC material?

[Bubblegum]

That render green on the first page looks delicious

[Darknight00z]

Underglow support for the PC please!!

Unless we can use the DZ60?

[MxBlue]

A few replies to cross-post from reddit:

Very interested in the PC version or maybe yellow if that option is available. Would it be possible to have a hhkb plate like this?


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I can provide a dedicated HHKB plate.

Has it been decided whether a universal or proprietary PCB will be used?

Underglow support for the PC please!!

Unless we can use the DZ60?

Two versions of proprietary PCBs with middle USB ports. The first version supports variants of MX layouts and WKL ALPS layout. The second version supports hotswap and dedicated HHKB/WKL layout.

[juaninamilli]

MX and Alps? Oh no
Hotswap? Oh no

[oh_chesteroni]

MX and Alps? Oh no
Hotswap? Oh no

The fear and sadness in this post is palpable.

[juaninamilli]

[eagleheardt]

I would LOVE a leaf 60, or orange 60, or any of these REALLY awesome 60% styles!!!


real question: Are you also going to look into a "Leaf 24" a leaf on a  10 key, high profile, would be super hot!!

[fireworm]

I would LOVE a leaf 60, or orange 60, or any of these REALLY awesome 60% styles!!!


real question: Are you also going to look into a "Leaf 24" a leaf on a  10 key, high profile, would be super hot!!

BTW, as some guys requested in the Leaf 80 thread, there will also be a matching numpad available

[senter]

Yes, the PC one looks great!  It just scares me to go with that option because I hear about stripped threads and loose screws.  Will have to think on it.

Man, your reply scares me as well. I didn't know that happens on PC cases. Is that a common issue?
There are no stripped threads or loose screws at least on the three protos I have.
I've been using acrylic sandwich cases for many years and I never had or even heard any this kind of issues.
Polycarbonate is known to have greater strength than acrylic.

[dantambok]

Stripped threads happen when someone over tightens a screw right? (Or it cracks)

[ossetepo]

PC is much tougher, PMMA is usually stronger, although their strengths are very comparable.  PC is also quite a bit softer than PMMA, depending on grade.

My guess is most of the stripped threads on PC cases are from cross threading with metal screws.  I really wish more PC case makers would use threaded inserts instead of tapping the PC itself, but this doesn't seem to be taking off.

Softer plastic screws are always a possibility - I've got PTFE screws at work that will deform long before PC will.  I've been meaning to borrow some and try them out on my PC Singa.

[senter]

PC is much tougher, PMMA is usually stronger, although their strengths are very comparable.  PC is also quite a bit softer than PMMA.

My guess is most of the stripped threads on PC cases are from cross threading with metal screws.  I really wish more PC case makers would use threaded inserts instead of tapping the PC itself, but this doesn't seem to be taking off.

Softer plastic screws are always a possibility - I've got PTFE screws at work that will deform long before PC will.  I've been meaning to borrow some and try them out on my PC Singa.

Acrylic is more common than either PC or PMMA. Acrylic is also softer than PC. I never heard stripped thread issues even for acrylic cases. Maybe I'm ignorant but I spent a lot of time on rmk/gh/discord.

Before someone who really had the issues show up, the stripped thread issues are just suspicions. I really doubt it.

Plastic screw is a great idea, even not for solving the possible issues. I'll get some for testing later.

[ArchDill]

Yes, the PC one looks great!  It just scares me to go with that option because I hear about stripped threads and loose screws.  Will have to think on it.

Man, your reply scares me as well. I didn't know that happens on PC cases. Is that a common issue?
There are no stripped threads or loose screws at least on the three protos I have.
I've been using acrylic sandwich cases for many years and I never had or even heard any this kind of issues.
Polycarbonate is known to have greater strength than acrylic.

I think most PC owners would know to be careful with it. I know I would tighten slightly under hand tight.

[senter]

Some more info has been posted in OP.



The right side is the E-red I was referring to.

[oh_chesteroni]

Shipping information?

[Wongstongs]

Is there any plans to do a 65%? Or any other form factors for the leaf? Thanks

[Vigrith]

Some more info has been posted in OP.

I think it's really cool all the experimentation you're doing with colours - especially the fact you'll be offering rose gold and silver brass as well as the standard gold, I'd be extremely curious to see what the finish on those would look like as well as the black polycarb.

Great job on the prices too, I'm sure many of us appreciate your thought to keep the boards as affordable as possible - would the kit prices mentioned in the OP edit be inclusive of brass weight/plate, or will those be purchased separately like with the Leaf 80? Either way, incredibly well priced.

Really looking forward to the GB opening up!

Shipping information?

Not Senter but I believe most of his designs are ran through ZFrontier (at least the Time TKL which I own as well as their recent Leaf 80) - I can't recall what exact method of shipping they use but the costs were actually included in the price for the Time, not sure how it was handled for the Leaf 80 but ZF's options tend to be very affordable (even internationally) when the tag is not inclusive of it.

[meiosis]

don't take away camo

[slxdegrees]

Nice, all in for the yellow! ...or the e-red - do you have better pictures of the red? And oh, I thought there was a numpad being mooted at some point?